Former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina joins us on the show to talk about her campaign for president in 2016 and why she thinks Donald Trump is the best choice to take on Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary. She also talks about why she s running and what it means to be a conservative presidential candidate.
00:00:20.000This is the first here on Louder with Crowder.
00:00:22.000We have never had a politician on the program, generally because, let me preface this, they usually send us a request with talking points, and I say, I don't really want to do that.
00:02:13.000One thing I've noticed, contrary to everyone else out there right now, Is instead of sort of beating up on each other like Republicans are doing, you know, you've been going straight after the opposition, Hillary Clinton.
00:02:24.000And we've coined you the conservative honey badger.
00:02:29.000Or did you say, I'm just going to avoid the sort of muckraking as long as I can in the primaries and focus on the real opponent?
00:02:35.000Or is it just something that happened organically?
00:02:39.000Well, I think first it's important to remember What this fight is about.
00:02:45.000And I think 2016 is going to be a real fight, and we're in it already.
00:02:49.000And it's a fight between conservatism, the values and the principles and the policies that I know work best to lift people up, and a Democrat Party that honestly has become so extreme in its positions on a whole host of issues that they are undermining the character and a Democrat Party that honestly has become so extreme in its positions on a whole host of issues that they are undermining the character of our nation, I believe, and also undermining the leadership and the position of our
00:03:17.000Hillary Clinton happens to be the frontrunner of her party.
00:03:21.000And so if you're going to attack that platform and that set of beliefs, you've got to attack the person out in front telling Americans that this is going to be good for them when we know it's going to be terrible.
00:03:33.000But, I mean, the noticeable difference between you and, say, a lot of people who, you know, will share the stage with you is, well, everyone gets into like him or hate him attacking Trump or attacking somebody else.
00:03:43.000You seem to focus in on Hillary, and you seem to focus in on policy and on the history of this administration.
00:03:51.000Why do you think you're the only one, and I'm not the only one who's noticed this, who seems to be doing that?
00:04:19.000I am running for office because I believe we're at a pivotal point.
00:04:22.000I think this is a fight we have to win.
00:04:24.000I think we need a different kind of leadership, not just to win this election, But actually to put a leader in the White House who will do the right things for the nation and indeed for the world.
00:04:35.000On that point, you say, boys, like a fight.
00:04:39.000People are like, I can't believe how sexist that is, and I understand what you're coming from.
00:04:41.000I think you gave a great answer on The View, one that was overlooked because the abortion thing is kind of what was picked up.
00:04:47.000But they asked you about feminism, and you crystallized it, I think, in a way that resonates with a lot.
00:04:53.000Certainly people like my wife, who would consider herself a feminist, but she can't stand what's newly been coined third-wave feminism, this sort of aggressive feminism.
00:05:01.000You said a feminist is anyone who makes a choice.
00:05:04.000A choice like I did to be CEO or a choice to be a stay-at-home mom?
00:06:19.000And I think we do have to continue to point out that the Democrats have come this way.
00:06:28.000It's a party of such extreme positions.
00:06:31.000It is a party that plays identity politics.
00:06:34.000You know, you're a woman, therefore you have to care about this and think this way.
00:06:38.000You're a Hispanic, you have to care about this issue and think this way about it.
00:06:41.000You're an African American, you can only care about this issue and think a particular way about it.
00:06:45.000If you don't fit into their identity groups and think the way they want you to on the specific issue they think you should care about, then you're sort of ostracized.
00:06:55.000That's a terrible thing, and you bet we have to call that out.
00:06:58.000That's part of what I mean when I say we have a fight on our hands, really.
00:07:03.000So I guess a big part of what you're sort of putting under that same umbrella of feminism is calling out the hypocrisy of leftist women telling other women what makes them a feminist.
00:07:26.000She actually said when she was campaigning against Joni Ernst, first woman senator from the state of Iowa, and for Bruce Braley, she actually said, well, you know, it's not enough to be a woman.
00:08:15.000But I know you're probably aware that BuzzFeed has pushed microaggression theory.
00:08:20.000They've pushed a lot of really sort of, honestly, anti-woman, pro-third-wave feminist causes.
00:08:27.000I got the sense that you were doing a funny sketch...
00:08:30.000But they thought that maybe they were going to use it to make a political statement, if you look at some of the writing and the comments, that you weren't necessarily intending.
00:08:58.000Humor is, and I applaud you for being a comedian, humor is a powerful weapon to make a point.
00:09:05.000You know, I was asked on a Saturday morning national television show, just as an example of this, I was asked whether a woman's hormones prevent her from serving in the Oval Office.
00:09:15.000And my answer was, can we think of a single instance in which a man's judgment was clouded by his hormones?
00:09:25.000Now, by the way, everyone laughs when I say that, and it makes the point immediately.
00:09:29.000It makes the point that, yes, it's funny, but the truth is it's ridiculous to say that a woman's hormones prevent her from serving in the Oval Office, just as it's ridiculous not to acknowledge that there are certain things that women hear that men don't hear.
00:09:45.000No, and I appreciate that because I think it's the same issue with race, right?
00:09:50.000We're told by one side that we just have to be completely, totally colorblind, and then we're told by the other side that if you recognize any differences at all, it's inherently racist.
00:09:58.000We're humans, and I don't think there's anything sexist about recognizing the inherent differences between men and women.
00:10:23.000I'm a conservative because I believe that every person should have the opportunity to fulfill their potential, to find and use their God-given gifts.
00:10:52.000If we have too many African Americans struggling in poverty, not getting a good education and not having an opportunity to move ahead in their lives, that hurts us all as well.
00:11:01.000Yeah, I think it's that bigotry of low expectations, the soft bigotry, but you have it a lot.
00:11:48.000Some of you aren't capable of living good lives.
00:11:51.000So some of us are going to take care of others.
00:11:53.000And I think it is the height of disrespect and disregard, and we need to call that out.
00:11:58.000Well, it's the divide and conquer strategy of the left.
00:12:00.000And isn't it convenient that they ran out of time?
00:12:02.000If only she could have run out of time as they were shooting Karina Karina, because that is what is truly offensive to men and women alike.
00:12:17.000I have to say, Whoopi was arguing with her producer for more time.
00:12:20.000She wanted to hammer me on abortion for another day.
00:12:25.000Yeah, well, Rosie Perez, I mean, when she tried to rebut what you said, and listen, you don't have to agree with me here, but it came across as though she was barely walking upright in her thought process.
00:12:41.000It was no to you citing the polls on, I think it was abortion, was it past 20 weeks or 22 weeks?
00:13:05.000I think it comes down to whether it's a life or not.
00:13:08.000There are close-handed issues and there are open-handed issues.
00:13:10.000And then I think with both of those kinds of issues, there are closed-handed ways to deal with it and sometimes there are open-handed ways to deal with a closed-handed issue.
00:13:18.000If that's confusing, you can rewind it.
00:14:06.000We are back with Carly Fiorina, of course, running for president.
00:14:09.000If you haven't heard of her, you probably will after.
00:14:13.000I don't know if it's appropriate to use any kind of a murder comparison when it comes to debates, but every time I see Carly Fiorina respond to a question in media, I think of that song, Let the Bodies Hit the Floor.
00:15:16.000And by the way, their extreme position is...
00:15:20.000It's not a life until it leaves the hospital.
00:15:23.000That is their position, that it's not a life until it leaves the hospital.
00:15:29.000Honestly, I can support that, but so many people don't know it because they wrap it up in this baloney about women's health and all the rest of it.
00:15:41.000It's a web of falsehoods designed to protect the harvesting of baby's body parts.
00:15:50.000That right there, you can either take this as an insult or a compliment.
00:15:53.000As someone who's worked with consulting, when you were talking about, they say this, that was very off the cuff and seemed like an actual conversation.
00:16:00.000That's what I think attracts people like me to someone like you.
00:16:04.000Now, every consultant there in D.C. would tell you not to do that.
00:16:08.000Please don't change that, because I've never gotten that with any other politician.
00:17:06.000I don't want to throw anyone under the bus who's going to be on stage with you, who are hyperly intelligent, who don't realize that they're not super effective communicators.
00:17:16.000I mean, the guy who engineered this computer on which I'm speaking with you is not someone who I probably want in office.
00:17:22.000And that's just one layman's point of view.
00:17:25.000Since we're doing this, and since I just heaped praise on you, I'm going to have to hit you with a couple of hardballs.
00:17:35.000Well, you know, that's the sexism in me.
00:17:38.000I want to be a gentleman, but I also have to do my job.
00:17:40.000The knock against you that you hear on Twitter, if you have to get out ahead of this, I'm sure it'll come up, is some people say, well, tenure at HP wasn't as great as it could have been.
00:19:11.000But in the end, the problem with Washington is no one will ever challenge the status quo.
00:19:17.000And so we have all these festering problems that have been around forever, and we have issues that have been talking about forever, and we talk about them every election cycle, and somehow nothing really changes because no one's prepared to challenge the status quo.
00:21:18.000Not to sound like a social justice warrior feminist here, third wave feminist, but there are a lot of men who can be intimidated by that and seek out the opposite.
00:23:44.000We do find it funny that you have leftists who want to take away someone's revolver because he's taken a Xanax at some point in his lifetime.
00:23:50.000But, oh, Iran with nuclear capabilities?
00:25:04.000And then, number two, you have to be prepared to put everything else into the center of the table in a spirit of truly willing and open-minded collaboration.
00:25:13.000But you have to be clear about what your absolute must-have principles and goals are.
00:25:20.000Three, you have to be willing to walk away.
00:25:23.000Because if you don't walk away, people don't believe you will.
00:25:27.000And they further don't believe that you actually care about it.
00:25:31.000And so if you don't walk away, my cardinal rule, honestly, I've done a lot of deals in my life, and my cardinal rule always to myself and to any negotiating team that I was coaching was, if you haven't walked away from the table three times, you haven't gotten the best deal you could.
00:25:56.000And then finally, the last cardinal rule that President Obama broke totally, is you don't celebrate the deal until you have the deal you want.
00:26:05.000So if you celebrate a deal before you have one, guess what happens?
00:26:34.000But as someone who was raised in Quebec, okay, parliamentary system, you're basically talking about mob rule.
00:26:38.000You talked on a recent program, I can't remember exactly where it was, we'll have it up at the website, about technology engaging citizens with government.
00:26:45.000I want to be clear, are you, you're not talking about governance by referendum, are you, as opposed to, you know, representative republic, because that's what I grew up with in Quebec, and that's immediately, if ever we go to that, it sends up red flags, because nothing gets done in Quebec.
00:27:58.000You've got to be able to fire someone.
00:27:59.000The point is ours was intended to be a citizen government.
00:28:02.000Citizens need to be engaged in the process of their government.
00:28:06.000And technology gives us a tool to engage citizens directly in the questions that matter to them so that their representatives can respond to what people really think.
00:28:16.000We don't need pollsters telling us what people think.
00:28:19.000We all know there are issues with polls, huge issues with polls.
00:28:22.000People can actually tell us what they think now.
00:30:27.000I'm not convinced he's a conservative.
00:30:29.000We have a lot of, I mean, when you have Clinton's front and center at your wedding, when you give six figures to the Clintons, when you're literally a card-garing Democrat for most of your life, I'm not convinced.
00:30:36.000I do think he served a little bit as a catalyst for some issues where maybe he'll allow some of the candidates who are a little bit namby-pamby to grow a pair.
00:32:15.000This is an example of ineptitude or the disregard of the political class of issues that really matter.
00:32:22.000And finally, I have said equally explicitly, That I don't think if you've come here illegally and stayed here illegally that you get to earn a path to citizenship, ever.
00:32:30.000You may earn legal status at some point, but there has to be a reward for people who study our history, take the oath, raise their hand, understand that citizenship is a privilege to be earned.
00:32:42.000There has to be a consequence for those people who played by the rules.
00:32:46.000I have said this from day one, over and over and over.