Louder with Crowder - August 07, 2015


Carly Fiorina Uncensored on #SJW Feminism and Weak Leaders | Louder With Crowder


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Former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina joins us on the show to talk about her campaign for president in 2016 and why she thinks Donald Trump is the best choice to take on Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary. She also talks about why she s running and what it means to be a conservative presidential candidate.

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00:00:00.000 This is why people are fed up with the political class.
00:00:03.000 So number one, secure the border.
00:00:04.000 This isn't rocket science.
00:00:05.000 It takes money, it takes manpower, it takes technology, but mostly what it takes is to grow a pair and lead.
00:00:11.000 Second, to use your phrase, second, we have to fix the legal...
00:00:18.000 So glad to have this next guest.
00:00:19.000 This is the first.
00:00:20.000 This is the first here on Louder with Crowder.
00:00:22.000 We have never had a politician on the program, generally because, let me preface this, they usually send us a request with talking points, and I say, I don't really want to do that.
00:00:32.000 And this was the opposite.
00:00:34.000 So Carly Fiorina, thank you so much for being on.
00:00:37.000 Well, thank you so much for having me.
00:00:39.000 And I'm really honored.
00:00:40.000 I almost want to say to be your first politician, only I'm not a politician, but I am running for president.
00:00:45.000 That's true.
00:00:46.000 There's a negative connotation there.
00:00:46.000 Okay, I'm sorry.
00:00:48.000 I just meant you're running for office.
00:00:50.000 Yes, exactly.
00:00:51.000 And I'm honored to be your first office runner.
00:00:54.000 I think we had a local guy a while back.
00:00:56.000 That's something I'd like to lead with.
00:00:56.000 But you know what?
00:00:58.000 I spoke with your assistants there.
00:01:00.000 Of course, you're much more professional than myself.
00:01:02.000 It's just me and Jared producing.
00:01:04.000 And I said, listen, are there any things that I have to avoid?
00:01:08.000 Or, you know, I've worked with people in political office for a while.
00:01:10.000 She said, nope.
00:01:11.000 Carly's prepared for everything.
00:01:14.000 Is that just something that... 0.98
00:01:17.000 I mean, are you crazy or are you just that well prepared? 0.99
00:01:21.000 Well, it's a couple things. 0.99
00:01:22.000 First of all, I've...
00:01:24.000 I've been in and around the world a long time, and I know what I know, and I know what I believe.
00:01:29.000 It doesn't mean I can't learn something new.
00:01:31.000 It means that the issues that I talk about are not talking points to me.
00:01:36.000 Secondly, I'm not afraid of who I am or what I believe.
00:01:40.000 And so people have a right to ask me whatever they'd like.
00:01:44.000 You know, Winston Churchill once said something interesting.
00:01:46.000 He said, there is no such thing as an indiscreet question, only an indiscreet answer.
00:01:51.000 So I'm I'm really happy to be candid with people when they ask me questions that are interesting to them.
00:02:00.000 Although, to be fair, Churchill said that before GoPros were invented.
00:02:03.000 I think that could have changed his opinion a little bit.
00:02:07.000 Right off the bat, you seem to have a good sense of humor about it.
00:02:10.000 I'm not a journalist.
00:02:11.000 I'm an entertainer.
00:02:13.000 One thing I've noticed, contrary to everyone else out there right now, Is instead of sort of beating up on each other like Republicans are doing, you know, you've been going straight after the opposition, Hillary Clinton.
00:02:24.000 And we've coined you the conservative honey badger.
00:02:27.000 Is that a conscious decision?
00:02:29.000 Or did you say, I'm just going to avoid the sort of muckraking as long as I can in the primaries and focus on the real opponent?
00:02:35.000 Or is it just something that happened organically?
00:02:39.000 Well, I think first it's important to remember What this fight is about.
00:02:45.000 And I think 2016 is going to be a real fight, and we're in it already.
00:02:49.000 And it's a fight between conservatism, the values and the principles and the policies that I know work best to lift people up, and a Democrat Party that honestly has become so extreme in its positions on a whole host of issues that they are undermining the character and a Democrat Party that honestly has become so extreme in its positions on a whole host of issues that they are undermining the character of our nation, I believe, and also undermining the leadership and the position of our
00:03:17.000 Hillary Clinton happens to be the frontrunner of her party. 1.00
00:03:21.000 And so if you're going to attack that platform and that set of beliefs, you've got to attack the person out in front telling Americans that this is going to be good for them when we know it's going to be terrible.
00:03:33.000 But, I mean, the noticeable difference between you and, say, a lot of people who, you know, will share the stage with you is, well, everyone gets into like him or hate him attacking Trump or attacking somebody else.
00:03:43.000 You seem to focus in on Hillary, and you seem to focus in on policy and on the history of this administration.
00:03:51.000 Why do you think you're the only one, and I'm not the only one who's noticed this, who seems to be doing that?
00:03:57.000 Well, I don't know.
00:03:59.000 I can't speak for the others.
00:04:00.000 I will say...
00:04:02.000 You know, sometimes boys like to have a fight, you know?
00:04:05.000 But the real fight, the real issue, the real issue is the future of the nation.
00:04:12.000 I really believe that.
00:04:12.000 I think we're at a pivotal point.
00:04:14.000 I'm not trying to avoid your question.
00:04:15.000 I'm trying to answer your question.
00:04:16.000 I think we are at a pivotal point.
00:04:19.000 I am running for office because I believe we're at a pivotal point.
00:04:22.000 I think this is a fight we have to win.
00:04:24.000 I think we need a different kind of leadership, not just to win this election, But actually to put a leader in the White House who will do the right things for the nation and indeed for the world.
00:04:35.000 On that point, you say, boys, like a fight.
00:04:37.000 We will get letters.
00:04:39.000 People are like, I can't believe how sexist that is, and I understand what you're coming from.
00:04:41.000 I think you gave a great answer on The View, one that was overlooked because the abortion thing is kind of what was picked up.
00:04:47.000 But they asked you about feminism, and you crystallized it, I think, in a way that resonates with a lot.
00:04:53.000 Certainly people like my wife, who would consider herself a feminist, but she can't stand what's newly been coined third-wave feminism, this sort of aggressive feminism. 1.00
00:05:01.000 You said a feminist is anyone who makes a choice. 1.00
00:05:04.000 A choice like I did to be CEO or a choice to be a stay-at-home mom?
00:05:08.000 There's a really strong...
00:05:10.000 I've talked about this with some people who work with you.
00:05:13.000 Gamergate was a launching pad for a lot of young Americans.
00:05:16.000 The politicization of free speech right now.
00:05:19.000 A lot of people seem to be rejecting the dogmatic feminism.
00:05:22.000 But this includes a lot of strong women. 1.00
00:05:25.000 Do you think that was a message that maybe was lost on people of the view?
00:05:29.000 And is it one that you plan to focus on?
00:05:31.000 I mean, obviously going up against likely another woman.
00:05:35.000 Well, I do think, as I said on The View, that a feminist is any woman who chooses her own life. 0.83
00:05:42.000 And we know there are many, many women in the world who don't have that opportunity. 1.00
00:05:48.000 I do think the term feminism has been politicized by the left. 0.91
00:05:54.000 And indeed, there are a lot of left-leaning and left-wing women who don't care Anything about empowering other women. 1.00
00:06:02.000 I mean, for heaven's sakes, EMILY's List, the pro-abortion group, has literally called my candidacy offensive to women.
00:06:10.000 Now, you know, that's about ideology.
00:06:12.000 It's not about making sure that women have opportunities to do whatever they choose to do and certainly whatever men do.
00:06:18.000 It's about ideology.
00:06:19.000 And I think we do have to continue to point out that the Democrats have come this way.
00:06:28.000 It's a party of such extreme positions.
00:06:31.000 It is a party that plays identity politics.
00:06:34.000 You know, you're a woman, therefore you have to care about this and think this way. 0.90
00:06:38.000 You're a Hispanic, you have to care about this issue and think this way about it. 0.99
00:06:41.000 You're an African American, you can only care about this issue and think a particular way about it. 0.99
00:06:45.000 If you don't fit into their identity groups and think the way they want you to on the specific issue they think you should care about, then you're sort of ostracized.
00:06:55.000 That's a terrible thing, and you bet we have to call that out.
00:06:58.000 That's part of what I mean when I say we have a fight on our hands, really.
00:07:02.000 Right.
00:07:03.000 So I guess a big part of what you're sort of putting under that same umbrella of feminism is calling out the hypocrisy of leftist women telling other women what makes them a feminist. 0.91
00:07:14.000 Exactly. 0.93
00:07:15.000 It is hypocrisy. 0.96
00:07:16.000 It's hypocrisy to say you're only a feminist. 1.00
00:07:19.000 You only measure up in my eyes if you agree with everything that I say.
00:07:24.000 Hillary Clinton actually said this.
00:07:26.000 She actually said when she was campaigning against Joni Ernst, first woman senator from the state of Iowa, and for Bruce Braley, she actually said, well, you know, it's not enough to be a woman.
00:07:37.000 You have to be a woman who believes. 0.97
00:07:40.000 And then she went through the litany of left-wing progressive views that she holds.
00:07:45.000 Right.
00:07:46.000 Yeah, and that's something I do remind you.
00:07:48.000 As a comic, I would not be as reserved as you are on the personal front with feminism. 1.00
00:07:54.000 There's just a litany of hypocrisy with Hillary Clinton. 1.00
00:07:57.000 We won't necessarily get into that, but I appreciate where you're coming from on that.
00:08:00.000 So let me ask you this.
00:08:02.000 In discussing the feminism thing, I thought it was a very funny sketch you did with BuzzFeed. 1.00
00:08:06.000 I also thought it was smart because it's an audience that no Republican candidates that I know of are reaching out to.
00:08:13.000 I thought you did a very funny job.
00:08:15.000 But I know you're probably aware that BuzzFeed has pushed microaggression theory.
00:08:20.000 They've pushed a lot of really sort of, honestly, anti-woman, pro-third-wave feminist causes. 0.99
00:08:27.000 I got the sense that you were doing a funny sketch...
00:08:30.000 But they thought that maybe they were going to use it to make a political statement, if you look at some of the writing and the comments, that you weren't necessarily intending.
00:08:39.000 Am I completely off base?
00:08:40.000 Keep in mind, my white male privilege is showing.
00:08:44.000 Well, I wouldn't say that.
00:08:45.000 But look, here's the thing.
00:08:46.000 People can say whatever they want to say.
00:08:48.000 You know, that is part of what we have in this country, free speech.
00:08:51.000 So people can interpret something I do or something I say.
00:08:55.000 They're free to do it.
00:08:56.000 I do think this.
00:08:58.000 Humor is, and I applaud you for being a comedian, humor is a powerful weapon to make a point.
00:09:05.000 You know, I was asked on a Saturday morning national television show, just as an example of this, I was asked whether a woman's hormones prevent her from serving in the Oval Office.
00:09:15.000 And my answer was, can we think of a single instance in which a man's judgment was clouded by his hormones?
00:09:23.000 Including in the Oval Office.
00:09:25.000 Now, by the way, everyone laughs when I say that, and it makes the point immediately. 0.59
00:09:29.000 It makes the point that, yes, it's funny, but the truth is it's ridiculous to say that a woman's hormones prevent her from serving in the Oval Office, just as it's ridiculous not to acknowledge that there are certain things that women hear that men don't hear.
00:09:43.000 It's still different for women. 1.00
00:09:44.000 That's a fact.
00:09:45.000 No, and I appreciate that because I think it's the same issue with race, right?
00:09:50.000 We're told by one side that we just have to be completely, totally colorblind, and then we're told by the other side that if you recognize any differences at all, it's inherently racist.
00:09:58.000 We're humans, and I don't think there's anything sexist about recognizing the inherent differences between men and women.
00:10:03.000 Let's be honest.
00:10:04.000 Some things, women are going to be better. 1.00
00:10:07.000 They're going to naturally excel compared to men, and vice versa.
00:10:10.000 I don't know when that became hateful.
00:10:12.000 Yes, exactly.
00:10:13.000 That's exactly right.
00:10:14.000 And my way of saying it is this.
00:10:16.000 Every single human being has potential.
00:10:20.000 Every human is gifted by God.
00:10:23.000 I'm a conservative because I believe that every person should have the opportunity to fulfill their potential, to find and use their God-given gifts.
00:10:32.000 That doesn't mean we're all the same.
00:10:34.000 We're not all the same.
00:10:36.000 But each of us has value, each of us has potential, and we are all the same in the eyes of God.
00:10:41.000 So in other words, it hurts us all if a group's potential is not fulfilled.
00:10:49.000 If women are underutilized, that hurts everybody. 1.00
00:10:51.000 The data is very clear.
00:10:52.000 If we have too many African Americans struggling in poverty, not getting a good education and not having an opportunity to move ahead in their lives, that hurts us all as well.
00:11:01.000 Yeah, I think it's that bigotry of low expectations, the soft bigotry, but you have it a lot.
00:11:06.000 That's right.
00:11:07.000 Well, and I think, by the way, to your point, that is exactly the point of this fight in 2016.
00:11:14.000 Because I believe the core difference, and I started to say this on The View, the core difference...
00:11:20.000 Before they interrupted you?
00:11:21.000 No, no, no, no, no.
00:11:22.000 They always do.
00:11:23.000 Actually, before they ran out of time, Whoopi Goldberg ran out of time and got very upset.
00:11:26.000 But, see, I think the core of conservatism is...
00:11:31.000 No one of us is any better than any other one of us.
00:11:33.000 Each of us has the capacity to live lives of dignity and purpose and meaning.
00:11:37.000 I think the core of progressivism, of the extreme left wing of the Democrat Party now, is actually, some of us are smarter than others.
00:11:46.000 Some of us are better than others.
00:11:48.000 Some of you aren't capable of living good lives.
00:11:51.000 So some of us are going to take care of others.
00:11:53.000 And I think it is the height of disrespect and disregard, and we need to call that out.
00:11:58.000 Well, it's the divide and conquer strategy of the left.
00:12:00.000 And isn't it convenient that they ran out of time?
00:12:02.000 If only she could have run out of time as they were shooting Karina Karina, because that is what is truly offensive to men and women alike.
00:12:09.000 A travesty of film.
00:12:11.000 You're going to get a letter from Whoopi, Carly.
00:12:13.000 I'm sorry.
00:12:13.000 You don't have to agree.
00:12:15.000 You know, I told Whoopi.
00:12:17.000 I have to say, Whoopi was arguing with her producer for more time.
00:12:20.000 She wanted to hammer me on abortion for another day. 1.00
00:12:25.000 Yeah, well, Rosie Perez, I mean, when she tried to rebut what you said, and listen, you don't have to agree with me here, but it came across as though she was barely walking upright in her thought process.
00:12:41.000 It was no to you citing the polls on, I think it was abortion, was it past 20 weeks or 22 weeks?
00:12:47.000 I don't want to misquote you.
00:12:49.000 It was 20 weeks.
00:12:50.000 Five months.
00:13:05.000 I think it comes down to whether it's a life or not.
00:13:08.000 There are close-handed issues and there are open-handed issues.
00:13:10.000 And then I think with both of those kinds of issues, there are closed-handed ways to deal with it and sometimes there are open-handed ways to deal with a closed-handed issue.
00:13:18.000 If that's confusing, you can rewind it.
00:13:19.000 We have this online.
00:13:22.000 With abortion, I know they try to go rape and incest so that they can get you off topic and removes it from the table. 0.96
00:13:28.000 I thought you were very smart in saying, okay, let's say we make exceptions for that small fraction of abortions.
00:13:34.000 Then can we all find common ground on these late-term abortions on which the vast majority of Americans agree?
00:13:39.000 And all they could say is, no, I don't believe your poll numbers.
00:13:44.000 Well, and of course now we have these Planned Parenthood videos.
00:13:49.000 Which actually have nothing to do with whether you're pro-life or pro-choice.
00:13:52.000 I know a lot of pro-choice women and a lot of pro-choice men who are horrified by these videos as they should be.
00:14:00.000 Okay, Carly, hold that thought. 0.74
00:14:02.000 We will be right back.
00:14:03.000 Louder with Crowder.
00:14:04.000 She's classing up the joint.
00:14:05.000 We will be back.
00:14:06.000 We are back with Carly Fiorina, of course, running for president.
00:14:09.000 If you haven't heard of her, you probably will after.
00:14:13.000 I don't know if it's appropriate to use any kind of a murder comparison when it comes to debates, but every time I see Carly Fiorina respond to a question in media, I think of that song, Let the Bodies Hit the Floor. 0.99
00:14:22.000 That's what pops into my head.
00:14:23.000 I can't control it.
00:14:25.000 I'm a male.
00:14:25.000 I'm naturally aggressive.
00:14:27.000 This is why I shouldn't be in office.
00:14:28.000 Carly, you were talking about the Planned Parenthood videos.
00:14:32.000 I want you to continue with that, and I don't want to interrupt.
00:14:35.000 Well, I said that this is not about being pro-choice or pro-life.
00:14:38.000 This is about the character of our nation.
00:14:42.000 Honestly, to watch these women picking over babies, that's what these women are calling them. 1.00
00:14:52.000 It's not someone else calling them babies.
00:14:55.000 I mean, there are people saying, oh, look, it's a baby.
00:14:57.000 Oh, look, it's twins.
00:14:58.000 Oh, look, it's an arm and a leg.
00:15:00.000 This is about the character of our nation.
00:15:04.000 And to talk about extreme, the Democrat Party has closed ranks, rallied around and said, absolutely, there's nothing wrong here.
00:15:13.000 There's nothing to see here.
00:15:14.000 Just go on, go on, go on.
00:15:16.000 And by the way, their extreme position is...
00:15:20.000 It's not a life until it leaves the hospital.
00:15:23.000 That is their position, that it's not a life until it leaves the hospital.
00:15:29.000 Honestly, I can support that, but so many people don't know it because they wrap it up in this baloney about women's health and all the rest of it.
00:15:37.000 Oh, we're doing breast exams.
00:15:39.000 Actually, they're doing no such thing.
00:15:40.000 It's a series.
00:15:41.000 It's a web of falsehoods designed to protect the harvesting of baby's body parts.
00:15:50.000 That right there, you can either take this as an insult or a compliment.
00:15:53.000 As someone who's worked with consulting, when you were talking about, they say this, that was very off the cuff and seemed like an actual conversation.
00:16:00.000 That's what I think attracts people like me to someone like you.
00:16:04.000 Now, every consultant there in D.C. would tell you not to do that.
00:16:08.000 Please don't change that, because I've never gotten that with any other politician.
00:16:13.000 Well, you know what?
00:16:14.000 Actually, I really appreciate you saying that, because...
00:16:17.000 One of the things that I was determined when I started this campaign was never to sound like a politician.
00:16:25.000 Most people are sick of politicians.
00:16:27.000 I am too.
00:16:28.000 We're sick of sanitized sound bites and bumper sticker rhetoric.
00:16:31.000 And the truth is, people just want to have a conversation.
00:16:36.000 Because they know there are really important issues that we ought to be having real conversations about.
00:16:40.000 That's absolutely true.
00:16:41.000 And I was thinking about this today and talking with my father about it.
00:16:45.000 I think when running for office, I think hyperintelligence is overrated.
00:16:49.000 I think you need to be smart enough.
00:16:51.000 I think Ronald Reagan was a smart guy.
00:16:52.000 I think if you were to put him in an IQ lineup, he probably wouldn't be the number one draft pick.
00:16:56.000 But I think he was a smart guy.
00:16:57.000 But he was an incredibly effective communicator.
00:17:00.000 Sometimes you need a Captain Kirk instead of a Spock.
00:17:02.000 I think you probably have quite a bit of both.
00:17:05.000 I think there are other people.
00:17:06.000 I don't want to throw anyone under the bus who's going to be on stage with you, who are hyperly intelligent, who don't realize that they're not super effective communicators.
00:17:16.000 I mean, the guy who engineered this computer on which I'm speaking with you is not someone who I probably want in office.
00:17:22.000 And that's just one layman's point of view.
00:17:25.000 Since we're doing this, and since I just heaped praise on you, I'm going to have to hit you with a couple of hardballs. 0.99
00:17:29.000 Is that okay? 0.91
00:17:30.000 Of course.
00:17:31.000 Okay, my apologies.
00:17:33.000 No apology necessary.
00:17:35.000 Well, you know, that's the sexism in me.
00:17:38.000 I want to be a gentleman, but I also have to do my job.
00:17:40.000 The knock against you that you hear on Twitter, if you have to get out ahead of this, I'm sure it'll come up, is some people say, well, tenure at HP wasn't as great as it could have been.
00:17:50.000 What do you say to those people?
00:17:52.000 What's your response?
00:17:53.000 Because you know that's what some people might bring up.
00:17:57.000 You know, I led Hewlett Packard through a very difficult time.
00:18:00.000 The dot-com bust, post 9-11, the worst technology recession in 25 years.
00:18:05.000 You may remember that it's taken the NASDAQ, the Technology Heavy Stock Index, 15 years to recover to its dot-com boom highs.
00:18:13.000 So in that very difficult period of time, yes, I had to make some difficult choices.
00:18:18.000 Nevertheless, Many of our competitors disappeared off the map.
00:18:22.000 We went from 44 billion to almost 90 billion in revenue.
00:18:22.000 We didn't.
00:18:26.000 We quadrupled our growth rate.
00:18:28.000 We quadrupled our cash flow.
00:18:30.000 We tripled innovation to 11 patents a day.
00:18:32.000 Most importantly, we went from lagging behind in every product category and every market segment to leading.
00:18:38.000 And the only way for a company to succeed, particularly in technology, or for a country to succeed, frankly, is to lead and to grow.
00:18:47.000 Now, at the end of that tenure, I got fired.
00:18:49.000 I got fired in a boardroom brawl that lasted two weeks.
00:18:53.000 And you know why I got fired?
00:18:54.000 Because when you challenge the status quo, which is what leadership takes every time.
00:18:59.000 Leaders challenge the status quo.
00:19:01.000 You make enemies.
00:19:03.000 And sometimes those enemies stab you in the back.
00:19:05.000 It's why so many people don't lead, I'll guarantee you.
00:19:05.000 That's life.
00:19:07.000 When I am in the Oval Office, I will lead as well.
00:19:10.000 And I'll make plenty of enemies.
00:19:11.000 But in the end, the problem with Washington is no one will ever challenge the status quo.
00:19:17.000 And so we have all these festering problems that have been around forever, and we have issues that have been talking about forever, and we talk about them every election cycle, and somehow nothing really changes because no one's prepared to challenge the status quo.
00:19:31.000 I am.
00:19:32.000 I've done it, and I know the consequences. 0.99
00:19:34.000 Holy crap. 0.95
00:19:36.000 I expected you to dance around that one a little bit more, so I need to have a follow-up. 0.96
00:19:41.000 I would say good answer, and hopefully people who lob those criticisms out there can take it.
00:19:46.000 Also, I mean, with HP, too, when I was a kid, it was basically kind of a printer company, and now they're selling smartphones.
00:19:53.000 So it's changed drastically as far as what they offer in my lifetime.
00:19:58.000 Well, exactly, and my mandate was to transform a company that was lagging further and further behind.
00:20:04.000 Into a leader.
00:20:05.000 We did that.
00:20:06.000 We did that.
00:20:07.000 I say we because it was tens of thousands of dedicated employees.
00:20:12.000 But transformation, change takes leadership.
00:20:17.000 It was my job to lead.
00:20:19.000 Great answer.
00:20:20.000 And I know that all too well with boardroom brawls and politics.
00:20:23.000 I don't do that well with a backstabbing crowd.
00:20:26.000 And I get the sense that you're not a backstabber.
00:20:28.000 You look someone in the eye and stab them in the face if they've really done you wrong.
00:20:32.000 Not literally. 0.96
00:20:33.000 Not literally.
00:20:34.000 Do not take this literally. 0.97
00:20:35.000 People are going to take that clip and say, Carl, it's going to be able to stab someone in the face.
00:20:39.000 No, but you know, to your point, let me just say, I believe very strongly in character and integrity.
00:20:45.000 I learned that from my mother and father.
00:20:48.000 To me, what that means is, if you're going to say something behind somebody's back, you better be prepared to say it to their face.
00:20:55.000 I am prepared to have honest disagreements, honest brawls with people, but I will always say it to their face.
00:21:02.000 That's a double-edged sword, though, too.
00:21:04.000 I was talking with my dad about this.
00:21:05.000 My wife is a very strong woman.
00:21:07.000 My mom is a very strong woman.
00:21:09.000 And so I think that people like my father and I find ourselves attracted to you as a candidate because that's what we seek in a woman.
00:21:16.000 A lot of men can't handle that. 0.53
00:21:18.000 Not to sound like a social justice warrior feminist here, third wave feminist, but there are a lot of men who can be intimidated by that and seek out the opposite.
00:21:26.000 So do you think...
00:21:28.000 That's just one of those things that's out of your control, and people will react how they react?
00:21:32.000 Because there are two different kinds of men, and some guys are going to adore you, and some guys are going to head for the hills.
00:21:37.000 Well, I do think there is a difference.
00:21:40.000 I'm not everybody's cup of tea, but what I've found over the course of my lifetime is I can gather enough support to get...
00:21:57.000 I also think you have to pick times.
00:21:58.000 Not every fight is worth fighting.
00:22:00.000 It doesn't mean you run around with your dukes up all the time.
00:22:03.000 Quite the opposite, in fact.
00:22:04.000 There are times when you've got to let stuff go.
00:22:06.000 There are times when you have to say, you know what, I'm going to set this aside for now and find common ground with you and collaborate.
00:22:13.000 There are times, however...
00:22:14.000 I hate to cut you off.
00:22:15.000 Can you hold that thought?
00:22:17.000 I'm sorry?
00:22:18.000 I said I hate to cut you off.
00:22:19.000 Can you hold that thought?
00:22:19.000 We have a hard break here, and then I want to bring you back because I know where you're going with it, and I like it.
00:22:23.000 I dig it.
00:22:23.000 Carly Fiorina, Ladder with Crowder.
00:22:25.000 Stay tuned.
00:22:27.000 Carly Fiorina was going to make a point. 0.86
00:22:29.000 We made her wait because we are horrendous human beings.
00:22:33.000 Please take the floor and continue because I liked where you were going.
00:22:36.000 Well, the point I was making is there is a time to set something aside and focus on finding common ground with someone.
00:22:45.000 There is also a time when you've got to really sit down with somebody and say, we have a major disagreement here.
00:22:52.000 These are the things that I cannot agree with you on.
00:22:55.000 In my experience, even in that moment, there is an opportunity to find common ground.
00:23:00.000 There is an opportunity for collaboration.
00:23:02.000 But sometimes you get to a point where literally there is no common ground and there isn't an opportunity.
00:23:08.000 And at that point, you have to be honest and walk away.
00:23:11.000 Let me just bring that to the world stage.
00:23:13.000 One of the problems with this Iran deal is we never walked away. 0.76
00:23:17.000 We never said We can't come to agreement here.
00:23:21.000 This is a principle that we can't bend on.
00:23:23.000 You know, anytime, anywhere inspections, for example.
00:23:25.000 We didn't say, sorry, we have to walk away now.
00:23:29.000 This is a principle upon which we cannot bend.
00:23:32.000 And if you're not prepared to do that in a deal, in life, in leadership, then you're going to get rolled.
00:23:39.000 You're going to get rolled.
00:23:40.000 No, that's absolutely true.
00:23:42.000 We were talking about this, I think, last week.
00:23:42.000 And it's funny.
00:23:44.000 We do find it funny that you have leftists who want to take away someone's revolver because he's taken a Xanax at some point in his lifetime.
00:23:50.000 But, oh, Iran with nuclear capabilities?
00:23:53.000 We're fresh on board.
00:23:55.000 What could possibly go wrong there?
00:23:56.000 I can't think of anyone less mentally stable as a whole than the nation of Iran.
00:24:01.000 You know, it's funny.
00:24:02.000 I literally have this written down and I don't write questions down.
00:24:04.000 I'm going to read this for you word for word.
00:24:06.000 I think a lot of candidates compromise when compromise isn't necessary.
00:24:10.000 But you need to find the places where you can because compromise and responsibility is hard.
00:24:15.000 Bluster is easy.
00:24:16.000 How do you draw that line?
00:24:17.000 You basically just answered that word for word.
00:24:21.000 I guess to expand on how you need to be prepared to walk away.
00:24:24.000 Is there anything else that you think is important in drawing that line?
00:24:27.000 Because it is important to compromise and then also not compromise when it's pivotal.
00:24:31.000 That's right.
00:24:32.000 That's right.
00:24:33.000 I think there are three cardinal rules to deal-making.
00:24:37.000 And let's face it, compromise is making a deal, okay?
00:24:40.000 You're compromising with your teenager or the nation of Iran or the opposite party. 0.51
00:24:46.000 Compromise is about making a deal.
00:24:47.000 To make a good deal, I think there are three cardinal rules.
00:24:50.000 Number one, you have to state what your principles, your walkaway positions are.
00:24:55.000 Not at the end, at the beginning.
00:24:57.000 You've got to go to people and say, look, this is what I have to have.
00:25:01.000 I have to have it.
00:25:02.000 I cannot compromise on it.
00:25:04.000 And then, number two, you have to be prepared to put everything else into the center of the table in a spirit of truly willing and open-minded collaboration.
00:25:13.000 But you have to be clear about what your absolute must-have principles and goals are.
00:25:20.000 Three, you have to be willing to walk away.
00:25:23.000 Because if you don't walk away, people don't believe you will.
00:25:27.000 And they further don't believe that you actually care about it.
00:25:31.000 And so if you don't walk away, my cardinal rule, honestly, I've done a lot of deals in my life, and my cardinal rule always to myself and to any negotiating team that I was coaching was, if you haven't walked away from the table three times, you haven't gotten the best deal you could.
00:25:45.000 It's just how people operate.
00:25:47.000 They test.
00:25:48.000 They test the limits.
00:25:49.000 We test the limits in our families.
00:25:50.000 We test the limits with our spouses.
00:25:52.000 We test the limits with our negotiating opponents.
00:25:55.000 So you have to walk away.
00:25:56.000 And then finally, the last cardinal rule that President Obama broke totally, is you don't celebrate the deal until you have the deal you want.
00:26:05.000 So if you celebrate a deal before you have one, guess what happens?
00:26:08.000 The other side keeps negotiating.
00:26:10.000 And that's what happened with Iran. 0.71
00:26:12.000 I agree with you on everything you just said, except the concept of compromising with a teenager.
00:26:18.000 I don't think you ever compromise with a teenager.
00:26:22.000 Oh, okay, maybe.
00:26:23.000 I'll give you that.
00:26:23.000 Yeah, then you end up with the Clinton family.
00:26:26.000 So, listen, again, that was me.
00:26:27.000 That was not her.
00:26:28.000 Here's one thing that is concerning to me a little bit.
00:26:30.000 I will say on a personal level, I don't think...
00:26:33.000 how it came out.
00:26:34.000 But as someone who was raised in Quebec, okay, parliamentary system, you're basically talking about mob rule.
00:26:38.000 You talked on a recent program, I can't remember exactly where it was, we'll have it up at the website, about technology engaging citizens with government.
00:26:45.000 I want to be clear, are you, you're not talking about governance by referendum, are you, as opposed to, you know, representative republic, because that's what I grew up with in Quebec, and that's immediately, if ever we go to that, it sends up red flags, because nothing gets done in Quebec.
00:27:02.000 No.
00:27:03.000 What I am talking about, though, let me give you a very real example.
00:27:05.000 Okay.
00:27:06.000 One of the things that I think has to happen is we have to go to zero-based budgeting.
00:27:11.000 We actually have to know where every dollar is being spent so we can prioritize our dollars.
00:27:15.000 You know, we're not today, which is why government just gets bigger and bigger and more and more inept.
00:27:19.000 So I would go into the Oval Office in a weekly radio address, just as an example, and I would ask people to take out their smartphones.
00:27:26.000 And I would say, I'd like to ask you a question.
00:27:28.000 Do you think we should know where your money is being spent?
00:27:30.000 Press one for yes, two for no.
00:27:33.000 People will vote.
00:27:34.000 What does that do?
00:27:35.000 It signals to their representatives, this is an issue we care about.
00:27:40.000 This is what we think ought to happen.
00:27:41.000 We know that politicians in the political process respond to pressure.
00:27:45.000 It's how we got Congress in three short weeks to pass a bill that said people could get fired at the VA if they didn't do their job.
00:27:51.000 Of course, they haven't fired anyone.
00:27:53.000 But it was this massive amount of pressure from people saying, guess what?
00:27:57.000 We care about this.
00:27:58.000 You've got to be able to fire someone.
00:27:59.000 The point is ours was intended to be a citizen government.
00:28:02.000 Citizens need to be engaged in the process of their government.
00:28:06.000 And technology gives us a tool to engage citizens directly in the questions that matter to them so that their representatives can respond to what people really think.
00:28:16.000 We don't need pollsters telling us what people think.
00:28:19.000 We all know there are issues with polls, huge issues with polls.
00:28:22.000 People can actually tell us what they think now.
00:28:24.000 That would be good to know.
00:28:25.000 Okay, a couple of things that you just brought up.
00:28:27.000 You were talking about voting yes, hit one for yes, two for no in Florida.
00:28:31.000 They would mash it with their palm and then demand a recount.
00:28:34.000 Which brings me to Jeb Bush.
00:28:36.000 You talked about polls.
00:28:37.000 Here's something, Carly, and you may like the guy.
00:28:40.000 You may not...
00:28:41.000 I'm not a huge fan of him as potential president.
00:28:44.000 That's my opinion.
00:28:45.000 I don't know him personally.
00:28:47.000 But...
00:28:48.000 I don't know anybody, Carl.
00:28:50.000 And I know a lot of people.
00:28:51.000 And my producers don't know anybody.
00:28:54.000 And no one in my family knows anybody.
00:28:55.000 We don't know a single person, not one, who Jeb Bush is their guy.
00:29:01.000 How in the world does he lead in any poll?
00:29:05.000 Because when I talk about that, you hear an outcry on Twitter of people saying they don't believe in the primary system.
00:29:11.000 They think it's rigged.
00:29:12.000 They think conservative media is trying to manipulate it just as bad as leftist media tries to manipulate nationals.
00:29:18.000 And I don't tend to chalk up to, I guess, collusion, what could be chalked up to incompetence.
00:29:23.000 But in this case, when I don't know a single person with JEP, how is there such a discrepancy?
00:29:29.000 Well, because I think it depends a lot on what polls you're looking at.
00:29:33.000 So let's just take this debate tonight.
00:29:36.000 Fox News decided to use national polls.
00:29:39.000 What national polls at this point in a race are measuring, really, is name ID. Right.
00:29:44.000 Because there's so many people who aren't paying attention yet.
00:29:46.000 If you go into state polls, a Florida poll, an Iowa poll, a New Hampshire poll, you'll see very different results than the national polls.
00:29:57.000 Because they're talking to people in those states who are actually engaged and who are going to vote.
00:30:02.000 A national poll measures basically name ID. So guess who has the highest name ID in the field?
00:30:07.000 Guess who's next?
00:30:07.000 Donald Trump.
00:30:09.000 Jeb Bush.
00:30:11.000 Can we talk about Trump or do we not want to talk about Trump?
00:30:17.000 Sorry, I just made it horrendously uncomfortable.
00:30:21.000 Okay, Trump has been a catalyst here for the illegal immigration issue.
00:30:26.000 Now, not taxable.
00:30:27.000 I'm not convinced he's a conservative.
00:30:29.000 We have a lot of, I mean, when you have Clinton's front and center at your wedding, when you give six figures to the Clintons, when you're literally a card-garing Democrat for most of your life, I'm not convinced.
00:30:36.000 I do think he served a little bit as a catalyst for some issues where maybe he'll allow some of the candidates who are a little bit namby-pamby to grow a pair.
00:30:42.000 That's my opinion.
00:30:43.000 Maybe he'll serve that role.
00:30:45.000 Some people might say you're not as hard on immigration as someone like a Trump, who I haven't really heard off for an actual solution.
00:30:51.000 Clarify your stance so that no one else is misquoting on immigration.
00:30:55.000 What would a Carly Fiorina administration do? 1.00
00:30:57.000 What I have said consistently all along is, number one, we have to secure the border.
00:31:03.000 By the way, how long have we been talking about securing the border?
00:31:06.000 30 years.
00:31:07.000 I mean, to be accurate, the border has not been secure for 30 years.
00:31:11.000 We've been talking about it for at least 25.
00:31:14.000 It's still not secure.
00:31:15.000 So what does that tell you?
00:31:17.000 It tells you politicians talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, and yet it never gets done.
00:31:22.000 Sanctuary cities.
00:31:23.000 You know how long San Francisco has been a sanctuary city?
00:31:26.000 Since 1989.
00:31:28.000 Everyone's going to get all fired up about this.
00:31:30.000 They're going to give speeches.
00:31:31.000 They're going to pass laws, and yet nothing really changes.
00:31:33.000 This is why people are fed up with the political class.
00:31:37.000 So number one, secure the border.
00:31:38.000 This isn't rocket science.
00:31:39.000 It takes money, it takes manpower, it takes technology, but mostly what it takes is to grow a pair and lead.
00:31:45.000 Second, to use your phrase, second, we have to fix the legal immigration system.
00:31:50.000 How long has the legal immigration system been broken?
00:31:52.000 How long have we been talking about it?
00:31:53.000 25 years.
00:31:54.000 25 years.
00:31:56.000 We've had over 16 different visa programs.
00:31:58.000 We have an e-verify system that doesn't work.
00:32:00.000 Really?
00:32:01.000 In 2015, we can't create an e-verify system that is working, that is mandatory.
00:32:06.000 We're handing out border crossing cards every single day over the Mexico border.
00:32:11.000 You're supposed to come in for a day and return home.
00:32:14.000 Nobody checks.
00:32:15.000 This is an example of ineptitude or the disregard of the political class of issues that really matter.
00:32:22.000 And finally, I have said equally explicitly, That I don't think if you've come here illegally and stayed here illegally that you get to earn a path to citizenship, ever.
00:32:30.000 You may earn legal status at some point, but there has to be a reward for people who study our history, take the oath, raise their hand, understand that citizenship is a privilege to be earned.
00:32:42.000 There has to be a consequence for those people who played by the rules.
00:32:46.000 I have said this from day one, over and over and over.
00:32:50.000 Yes, Donald Trump.
00:32:52.000 Make this issue popular.
00:32:54.000 But make no mistake, loads of Republican politicians, many of whom are running, have not fixed this problem in 25 years.
00:33:05.000 And we can't blame it all on the Democrats, because we've had Republicans in the White House.
00:33:09.000 We've had the majority in the House and Senate.
00:33:11.000 People go on to get along.
00:33:13.000 The status quo hasn't changed.
00:33:15.000 Whatever your issue or cause, whatever festering problem you hope would get solved, political class has failed us, actually.
00:33:23.000 Bodies, hit floor.
00:33:25.000 Carly Fiorina, thank you so much.
00:33:26.000 We know you're busy.
00:33:27.000 We'll let you go.
00:33:28.000 Godspeed.
00:33:29.000 And hopefully we'll check back with you.
00:33:31.000 And that name ID situation will change.
00:33:34.000 I'm betting that it will.
00:33:35.000 Thank you.
00:33:36.000 I really enjoyed it.
00:33:36.000 Thank you.
00:33:37.000 Have me back.
00:33:38.000 We will have you back.
00:33:39.000 There we go.
00:33:40.000 You saw it.
00:33:40.000 So this is like a verbally binding contract.
00:33:43.000 We didn't scare Carly Fiorina off. 0.97
00:33:46.000 Thank you so much, Carly.
00:33:47.000 We will have you back.
00:33:48.000 And really, we are going to be watching this like a hawk.
00:33:51.000 Thank you.
00:33:52.000 Alright, take care.
00:33:53.000 Lauder with Crowder.