Louder with Crowder - Chael Sonnen Loves Donald Trump, Mocks Heavyweight Division | Louder With Crowder

00:00:00.000 It always has been.

00:00:00.000 If you're a good athlete and you're heavyweight, you go into the NFL. You don't go into cage fighting.

00:00:05.000 The weight class sucks and I don't have respect for it. 0.95

00:00:07.000 So there, you want the real answer? 0.99

00:00:09.000 You just got it.

00:00:10.000 You just got mad at me.

00:00:11.000 I am mad.

00:00:12.000 I'm mad about pound for pound.

00:00:14.000 It's not you.

00:00:15.000 It is infuriating to have people sit around and talk about pound for pound.

00:00:20.000 I guess you didn't say pound for pound.

00:00:21.000 You said it's he the greatest of all time.

00:00:24.000 There's no way to prove it.

00:00:26.000 In my opinion, and I'm an expert on this. 1.00

00:00:28.000 You're a jerk. 1.00

00:00:31.000 Glad to have our next guest. 1.00

00:00:32.000 Two big guests on the show.

00:00:34.000 First Sargon and now this man who needs no introduction, but I will give it to him anyway.

00:00:39.000 ChaelSunnen.com.

00:00:40.000 New line of clothing.

00:00:42.000 Chael P. Sunnen.

00:00:43.000 Thanks for being here, sir.

00:00:44.000 I wouldn't miss it.

00:00:45.000 What's happening, buddy?

00:00:46.000 That's such BS. You just did miss it.

00:00:48.000 I wouldn't miss it twice in one day.

00:00:50.000 What's happening, buddy?

00:00:52.000 Chael is a...

00:00:53.000 You know, you're a nice guy.

00:00:55.000 You are a nice guy.

00:00:57.000 But you do do that stuff where you are tough to pin down.

00:01:01.000 Yeah.

00:01:02.000 Well, let me tell you what happened today.

00:01:03.000 So I double booked.

00:01:04.000 Here's what runs my life.

00:01:05.000 I have a calendar in my iPhone.

00:01:09.000 I'm sure you and many people can relate.

00:01:11.000 And that's what runs my life.

00:01:12.000 When I go to bed at night, I check for the next day and then I set my alarm.

00:01:17.000 I mean, it controls me.

00:01:18.000 Well, all I had in there was to do Steven Crowder's show.

00:01:22.000 My wife comes in. 0.91

00:01:23.000 We have a brand new baby.

00:01:25.000 It's our first.

00:01:25.000 10 days old.

00:01:26.000 Congratulations.

00:01:27.000 And...

00:01:28.000 They didn't circumcise him at the hospital, which was a tremendous nuisance.

00:01:32.000 So then we went to his pediatrician.

00:01:35.000 They wouldn't do it.

00:01:36.000 And so we went to a third step to finally get the circumcision done.

00:01:42.000 The point I'm getting at is that was scheduled for the same time I was supposed to be on with you earlier.

00:01:47.000 My wife came in.

00:01:48.000 That's why it wasn't in my calendar.

00:01:49.000 It was in hers, not mine. 0.92

00:01:52.000 So I had to go do snippy-snip.

00:01:55.000 But now I'm back.

00:01:56.000 I came in second place to foreskin. 0.85

00:01:58.000 Yes. 0.91

00:01:59.000 Yes, you did.

00:02:01.000 And it was a rough process, man.

00:02:03.000 I'll tell you, it was a rough...

00:02:05.000 That's what I wanted to do in the hospital.

00:02:07.000 This could have been 10 days behind us.

00:02:10.000 What do you mean?

00:02:10.000 You didn't do it in the hospital?

00:02:11.000 Would you take him out of the...

00:02:12.000 You get him oil?

00:02:13.000 What'd you do?

00:02:14.000 They wouldn't do it in the hospital.

00:02:16.000 They refused.

00:02:17.000 They said they don't do it anymore.

00:02:18.000 So then we went to a pediatrician.

00:02:20.000 They didn't do it and referred us to another place.

00:02:22.000 So it just kept kicking it down the road, but we finally got it done now.

00:02:26.000 You don't have any Jews out there in West Lynn?

00:02:29.000 You know, we do.

00:02:30.000 We don't do the Moyle process.

00:02:32.000 And I only know about that because of an episode of Seinfeld I caught in the late 1990s.

00:02:38.000 But yes, that joke did not go over my head.

00:02:40.000 Well, no, I'm just asking.

00:02:42.000 I'm wondering, I mean, you would think wherever there's a Jewish population, there would be some kind of a hospital that provides that service.

00:02:49.000 So I'm not saying you actually have to get a Jew to perform the service, but I'm saying I wonder if there's just such a minute portion of the population. 0.90

00:02:55.000 The hospital is like, hey, we're not going to choose.

00:02:57.000 We're not going to do it anymore.

00:02:58.000 You could be wrong.

00:02:59.000 I actually thought Moyle was a specific term to a Jewish doctor that does circumstitions.

00:03:06.000 But again, my education on that was Seinfeld.

00:03:09.000 It is.

00:03:09.000 I don't know.

00:03:09.000 So what?

00:03:10.000 I don't know.

00:03:11.000 This got off a weird track.

00:03:13.000 Well, I will say this.

00:03:14.000 I felt very flattered that you reached out to me because you have this clothing line.

00:03:17.000 Otherwise, I'll never hear from you.

00:03:18.000 So what is it?

00:03:19.000 You have a clothing line, Republican, something?

00:03:21.000 Tell us about that.

00:03:22.000 No, we got a clothing line.

00:03:23.000 You know what?

00:03:23.000 I wasn't even here to push it.

00:03:24.000 Since you brought it up, yes, we have a clothing line.

00:03:27.000 It's at chalesunnen.com.

00:03:30.000 It's just some great merchandise.

00:03:31.000 It's tied into a podcast.

00:03:33.000 I have a podcast, and it seems like part of the business model of any podcast is that you have to sell t-shirts that go along with the podcast.

00:03:40.000 That's really where that came from.

00:03:42.000 But more importantly is you.

00:03:44.000 What do you got going on today?

00:03:45.000 Man, it's a big news day.

00:03:46.000 You know that I'm a Trump guy.

00:03:48.000 Well, I know.

00:03:48.000 You know that I've always liked Donald Trump, and I've actually grown a little tired of Donald Trump, politically speaking, because every four years he comes out with the same shtick.

00:03:58.000 The only difference this time is instead of saying, I'm thinking about running, I might run, I'd be really great if I did, he's actually saying, no, I'm in.

00:04:07.000 Yeah, but he didn't file. 0.87

00:04:09.000 I'm not quite ready to get behind him just because I don't want to look like a fool like I have the last four elections. 0.98

00:04:15.000 You were a Herman Cain guy and that burns you badly. 0.78

00:04:18.000 I was on the Cain train and I still think Herman would have done a great job, but I think he did make a good decision with...

00:04:26.000 In light of the new evidence that was coming out, he made the right choice to step aside.

00:04:31.000 But I'm pumped about this Trump thing, man.

00:04:33.000 Trump can deal with the debate, and that's what I really am.

00:04:35.000 Screw policy.

00:04:36.000 Policy goes all over the board.

00:04:38.000 You never know what a policy is going to be.

00:04:39.000 You just have a theory on policy.

00:04:41.000 I want to see a good debate, and Trump's going to bring it.

00:04:44.000 Well, okay, a couple things.

00:04:46.000 Herman Cain, actually, there was some evidence that came out, I don't know if you saw that, later on down the trail, where it seemed like he might have been in the right, because he came out with it, but it was after the presidential run.

00:04:55.000 I think he just didn't want to put his wife through at that time.

00:04:57.000 With Trump, we just had an article up at, you've got to be going to the site, ladderwithcrader.com, and for those listening right now, we will have a super extended interview with Chael afterward, where it's exclusive.

00:05:06.000 We posted some things about Donald Trump that you may not know.

00:05:09.000 So, here's my thing with Donald Trump.

00:05:12.000 I'm not a huge fan.

00:05:13.000 Let me tell you why.

00:05:14.000 Supported Obama in 2008, enthusiastically, has given at least $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation.

00:05:21.000 All we know is it's at least $100,000, under $250,000, back to under-senate campaign.

00:05:26.000 Gross abuses of eminent domain in the courts to try and take property from private citizens.

00:05:32.000 What else do we have, Jared?

00:05:33.000 There's quite a few things up there.

00:05:35.000 Trying to remember.

00:05:36.000 Oh, he switched political parties five times since 88, three times since 2001, and he's He's given significantly more to Democrats than Republicans in his political career.

00:05:48.000 And he also supported gun control, abortion, and socialized health care.

00:05:52.000 So I go, I don't know if I trust him.

00:05:52.000 All of those things.

00:05:55.000 Well, that's a little bit disappointing.

00:05:56.000 Oh, one more thing, one more thing, one more thing.

00:05:58.000 Do you know who he wants on his ticket?

00:06:00.000 No, he's already said?

00:06:02.000 Oprah Winfrey.

00:06:03.000 Okay.

00:06:03.000 Continue.

00:06:06.000 He had made an off-the-cuff remark about Oprah that that isn't actually accurate that he wants her.

00:06:12.000 But I'll tell you this, as far as a flip-flopper goes, I'm one guy that doesn't mind flip-flopping, and let me tell you why.

00:06:19.000 I think that an objective person should be willing to change their opinion when they're confronted with new evidence.

00:06:26.000 And as far as changing party standings, he might need to answer for that.

00:06:31.000 However, the party has changed.

00:06:33.000 I mean, I'm not only a Republican, I'm a conservative.

00:06:36.000 But if you want to get down to it, I'm a Democrat from the 1960s.

00:06:40.000 I mean, today's Democrats try to claim John F. Kennedy all the time.

00:06:44.000 John F. Kennedy was a Democrat, not a liberal.

00:06:47.000 The Democratic Party died 50 years ago.

00:06:52.000 Now you just have liberals, and John F. Kennedy was not what a Hillary Clinton or a Barack Obama, no matter how much they want to try to claim him, he was not one of them.

00:07:02.000 You know, he wasn't, but I bet you if he were still around today, he would have evolved into one of them.

00:07:07.000 I don't think you can be a part of the Democratic platform and not become Ted Kennedy.

00:07:12.000 His family did.

00:07:15.000 Yeah, Ted Kennedy.

00:07:17.000 Only one who didn't get to nab Marilyn Monroe. 1.00

00:07:20.000 You just feel bad for him at the end of the day.

00:07:20.000 Poor guy.

00:07:22.000 Well, listen, I agree with you that someone, when presented with new evidence, Should be able to change their mind.

00:07:27.000 But again, if you look at his record, it's mainly due to political expediency.

00:07:32.000 I mean, he's going to go after Hillary Clinton now, and now he's criticizing the Clinton Foundation when he's given to them overwhelmingly and consistently.

00:07:38.000 You know, I'm not talking about a one-time thing where, oh, I made a mistake.

00:07:41.000 Changing parties five times.

00:07:43.000 You know, you're for gun control until you're against gun control.

00:07:47.000 And for me, on important issues, and I said this with Mitt Romney, Chael.

00:07:51.000 You need to tell me – there's something we call the flash of genius moment if someone actually claims like some kind of infringement on a trademark for an invention.

00:07:57.000 I don't know.

00:07:58.000 It's a great film actually with Greg Kinnear, the guy who invented the intermittent wiper.

00:08:02.000 I don't know if you've seen that film.

00:08:03.000 But it's an actual legal term where they find that when people have – they create an invention.

00:08:09.000 Almost invariably, there's a moment where someone came up with an idea to the point that in a court they go, how did you come up with this idea?

00:08:14.000 And someone can go, well, with the intermittent wiper, I thought, why can't a wiper work like someone's eye blinks?

00:08:21.000 It's not just blinking at a same set pace like wipers were doing, but blink, pause, blink.

00:08:27.000 That was the moment.

00:08:28.000 That's what won him that court case.

00:08:29.000 Like, huge settlement from Ford.

00:08:32.000 Same with Mitt Romney when he goes, well, I was pro-abortion and now I'm not...

00:08:38.000 Well, you're already a Mormon. 0.66

00:08:39.000 So what's your epiphany?

00:08:41.000 What's your moment?

00:08:41.000 What changed that about you?

00:08:44.000 And if someone can answer it honestly and authentically, yes.

00:08:48.000 If they can't, I think that's pretty telling.

00:08:51.000 And Donald Trump's not answered for any of it.

00:08:52.000 But I could be wrong.

00:08:54.000 It's a little early.

00:08:55.000 It's a little early.

00:08:56.000 As far as who we donated to, man, I know a lot of big business guys that are straight-up Republicans and they just have to give to the other side.

00:09:04.000 They just have to.

00:09:05.000 Business is big enough in their state or they're trying to get enough things passed where politics do come in there. 0.95

00:09:10.000 That doesn't really disappoint me.

00:09:12.000 I don't know if most people...

00:09:14.000 Can understand it, but let's hear what he has to say.

00:09:17.000 Let's hear what he has to say.

00:09:18.000 He's an interesting guy.

00:09:19.000 He's fun.

00:09:20.000 I'm excited about it.

00:09:21.000 I don't know where he's going to come out.

00:09:23.000 I'm not even saying I'm voting for him.

00:09:25.000 Right now I'm leaning towards Rand Paul, but the point is I'm happy he's there.

00:09:29.000 Rand Paul and his dungarees.

00:09:31.000 Somebody needs to teach him how to dress, man.

00:09:33.000 I would agree with that.

00:09:34.000 Rand Paul's done a few disappointing things, but boy, he's got a lot more in the positive column, in my opinion.

00:09:39.000 I think you're right.

00:09:40.000 Listen, I think there's a great field right now.

00:09:43.000 There are a lot of people who would make very good presidents.

00:09:46.000 I think the field narrows quite a bit if you're talking about who could win the election.

00:09:52.000 And I think it's a really severe mistake for people to underestimate Hillary Clinton.

00:09:57.000 Or even someone like Bernie Sanders.

00:09:59.000 We were talking about that.

00:09:59.000 People don't understand, Shiel.

00:10:01.000 I mean, you're actually, you know, you're significantly older than me.

00:10:04.000 And people, sorry, my producer's laughing. 1.00

00:10:07.000 He's like, well, he's just a jerk. 1.00

00:10:09.000 You are. 1.00

00:10:09.000 You're old enough technically to be my father. 1.00

00:10:11.000 Did you realize that?

00:10:12.000 No, I'm 38 years old.

00:10:13.000 How old are you?

00:10:14.000 27.

00:10:15.000 I mean, you'd be pushing it.

00:10:17.000 But I've heard of some teachers who, you know, have the rape problem and the kid, you know, it still happens.

00:10:20.000 So, what I'm saying here is that you've not, don't act like you've never heard of the 11 or the 12 year old kid who just, the teacher takes advantage of them.

00:10:27.000 I've heard.

00:10:28.000 I mean, we've thrown out Jews and now we're talking about... 1.00

00:10:31.000 No, we haven't thrown out Jews. 0.53

00:10:32.000 We've referenced Jews.

00:10:33.000 Don't put me there.

00:10:34.000 No, I meant throughout the term.

00:10:36.000 Throughout the term.

00:10:37.000 Good Lord.

00:10:39.000 I wasn't making you an anti-Semitic like Jerry Seinfeld's Uncle Leo, but let's just move on! 0.70

00:10:44.000 Uncle Leo!

00:10:45.000 I'm older than you!

00:10:47.000 Alright!

00:10:47.000 The point is, generationally, with you...

00:10:51.000 You still are part of a generation that sees, I mean, socialism as anti-American, right?

00:10:55.000 Well, socialism was a bad thing.

00:10:57.000 It was something people would throw toward Democrats who maybe weren't even necessarily socialist, right?

00:11:01.000 Because it was a slam.

00:11:03.000 Bernie Sanders is openly socialist because people in my generation don't care.

00:11:08.000 They actually think, that's cool, that's a good thing, and that's a monumental shift.

00:11:13.000 And that's where I think some older people are going, oh, they have no chance.

00:11:16.000 Actually, they have a huge chance because of the shift in the cultural perspective of socialism.

00:11:21.000 Bernie Sanders, well you said a couple of interesting things there.

00:11:25.000 First off, I don't know who is underestimating Hillary Clinton.

00:11:29.000 I mean, I fully expect her to become our president. 0.99

00:11:34.000 I say that begrudgingly, but I fully expect that.

00:11:36.000 We are going to need to have a major...

00:11:41.000 I like Trump so much.

00:11:45.000 I just think people might gravitate to him, similar as they did to Arnold Schwarzenegger, who was a disastrous governor, but he was very popular and people liked to get behind him.

00:11:55.000 That's a little bit of my excitement towards Trump.

00:11:58.000 Anybody that's underestimated Hillary, there's no way they mean that.

00:12:01.000 They either don't follow what they're talking about or they just like to say that as a way to hurt her.

00:12:05.000 But she's nearly untouchable. 1.00

00:12:07.000 God bless Bernie Sanders for trying.

00:12:09.000 He's got absolutely no shot, but at least he had the courage to jump in there.

00:12:13.000 You know, Elizabeth Warren wants to be president, but she doesn't have the guts to step up and run. 1.00

00:12:18.000 That may change, but as of right now, that's the case. 0.99

00:12:21.000 She doesn't have the guts, but she may have the balls. 0.99

00:12:24.000 She doesn't have the guts to do it. 1.00

00:12:25.000 No.

00:12:26.000 Okay, Chael, we're going to go here to our web exclusive to those listening terrestrially on Wham and our wonderful affiliates.

00:12:32.000 Where can people find this clothing line you have?

00:12:35.000 Because actually, it's pretty cool.

00:12:36.000 There's Republican, bad guy.

00:12:38.000 There's a bunch of different sort of monikers on there.

00:12:40.000 What's the best website?

00:12:41.000 Yeah, you know, it's a lot of fun.

00:12:42.000 ChaelSunnen.com is where you can go.

00:12:46.000 You'll love it.

00:12:47.000 I don't even want to push these.

00:12:47.000 Go check it out.

00:12:49.000 I'm selling these t-shirts left and right, man.

00:12:52.000 I just want to talk politics.

00:12:52.000 Stop it.

00:12:54.000 Stop it.

00:12:54.000 I want to talk about Louder with Crowder.

00:12:57.000 Actually, you don't even realize this yet.

00:12:58.000 You're going to come in and pinch hit when I fill in for Dana nationally next week.

00:13:01.000 Chael P. Sonnen will be right back.

00:13:03.000 Go to louderwithcrowder.com if you want the web-extended interview.

00:13:07.000 Web-exclusive Chael Sonnen, which means you are at louderwithcrowder.com or YouTube.

00:13:11.000 All right, now that we have that out of the way.

00:13:12.000 So you were talking...

00:13:13.000 What were we talking about?

00:13:15.000 You had to go get headphones and you were yelling at your wife.

00:13:19.000 You know, we were talking some politics.

00:13:21.000 We haven't got into the NAACP girl yet, which is the number one story in the country, oddly.

00:13:28.000 Can I, okay, can I, I want to presuppose something here.

00:13:31.000 And you can tell me if I'm, if you think I'm way out of line.

00:13:34.000 But I wrote about this at Lauder with Christ.

00:13:36.000 And there was, I think, fatigue, so not a lot of people read it.

00:13:39.000 I believe that transracialism is actually much more reasonable than transgenderism. 0.52

00:13:46.000 Let me make my case here, okay?

00:13:48.000 Let's take Caitlyn Jenner. 0.93

00:13:50.000 Caitlyn Jenner, Bruce Jenner wants to become a woman.

00:13:52.000 What is required? 0.99

00:13:53.000 Severe hormone replacement therapy, amputating testicles and penis, keeping some skin to invert it and create a fake vagina, which then has to be reopened regularly as a wound so that it doesn't close itself, along with learning the lisp and the psychiatric counseling. 0.96

00:14:06.000 And what does it look, what does this person look like? 0.98

00:14:09.000 Very much still a man in a dress. 0.95

00:14:11.000 Rachel Delzal slapped on A spray tan and a sideshow bob perm and fooled the NAACP for years. 1.00

00:14:20.000 Why is that considered so outlandish when compared to what we've deemed acceptable?

00:14:26.000 To be fooled on that in their defense, look, if somebody tells me they're black, I don't question it. 1.00

00:14:32.000 No, you can't. 0.82

00:14:33.000 It doesn't matter what my eyes tell me.

00:14:35.000 You may look at her, and when I looked at her too, even now, and she's the number one story in news, I'm looking at her going, okay, maybe an eighth or a quarter, I don't see it, but if you say so, it's one of those type deals.

00:14:47.000 I deal with doctors all the time.

00:14:49.000 I've never asked a guy to see his medical certificate.

00:14:52.000 If you tell me you're a doctor, I believe you.

00:14:54.000 And I should have the right.

00:14:55.000 It's the same thing with the Stolen Valor Act.

00:14:59.000 If a guy tells you he's a Navy SEAL, we're going to believe it.

00:15:02.000 Well, this is the progressives' version of Stolen Valor.

00:15:04.000 It's stolen victimhood.

00:15:05.000 They aspire to victim status.

00:15:07.000 That's what the NAACP is, professional victimhood. 0.96

00:15:10.000 That's their goal.

00:15:11.000 It's the left's stolen valor.

00:15:13.000 It's very interesting, though.

00:15:15.000 So she comes out.

00:15:16.000 I saw a guy today. 0.95

00:15:17.000 I mean, this is ludicrous. 0.76

00:15:19.000 If there's some kind of benefit to be gained.

00:15:23.000 Now, I don't think that there is or that she got some kind of rights.

00:15:26.000 I've seen some people that are against her saying, well, she lied to get the job. 0.96

00:15:30.000 It's like, well, hold on.

00:15:31.000 Being black is not a requirement for that job.

00:15:34.000 And that's not some superstar high paying position to start with.

00:15:38.000 I think she just identified as black and put that on the paperwork. 1.00

00:15:41.000 But I want to make this point because we're only a few days into that.

00:15:43.000 What are we, four or five days into this whole thing?

00:15:45.000 I've never seen this.

00:15:47.000 I've never heard of this.

00:15:48.000 I studied sociology in college, man.

00:15:50.000 This was not in the books.

00:15:51.000 This has not been done before.

00:15:53.000 This is a first for me.

00:15:55.000 The point is, we still need a little bit of dialogue.

00:15:57.000 And on first glance, when I see this, I go, you're out of your mind.

00:16:01.000 Your own parents are saying, and this is a quote, that her vision of reality has become distorted.

00:16:07.000 That's a quote from her father.

00:16:09.000 They can't stand her though, man, to go to a local news source and out your daughter.

00:16:15.000 That's rough.

00:16:16.000 Yeah, and you know, they seem like reasonable people.

00:16:20.000 Again, I'm watching a little four-minute clip here, but one of the things that had happened is she has come out publicly and identified another man as her father, who's a black man, and her dad wasn't some kind of a deadbeat.

00:16:32.000 Her parents are still together, nuclear family.

00:16:34.000 I think she's got some brothers and sisters in there. 1.00

00:16:36.000 So it really hurt them.

00:16:38.000 And I don't know that they lashed out too viciously, but I think they spoke from a place of being hurt.

00:16:43.000 I'm getting off topic here, but this just jumped in my head.

00:16:46.000 Now, she came out today.

00:16:47.000 See, everything was kind of going good for her.

00:16:49.000 She kind of started to take the Bruce Jenner, Caitlyn Jenner dialogue, which is one word.

00:16:55.000 Identify.

00:16:56.000 I identify as a black, and that seems to be a real soft spot socially with people.

00:17:02.000 If you go, well, this is how I identify. 0.99

00:17:04.000 There was a guy that came on Fox News today, a black guy, and he said, listen, she's a liar. 1.00

00:17:09.000 However, I accept her as black. 0.99

00:17:11.000 And everybody's going, okay, wait, what do you mean there?

00:17:13.000 And this is what he said.

00:17:15.000 And again, see, we're getting into philosophy.

00:17:17.000 That's what this whole thing is.

00:17:18.000 This isn't psychological, sociology.

00:17:21.000 This is philosophy.

00:17:23.000 And what he said was, she didn't say she was African American.

00:17:26.000 She said she was black.

00:17:27.000 As I see it, black is a culture. 0.97

00:17:30.000 Black is a state of mind. 0.99

00:17:31.000 If she wants to be black, go ahead. 1.00

00:17:34.000 Now, I don't know that I subscribed to that, but up to three hours ago, I had never even considered that. 0.89

00:17:40.000 So, it's going to be interesting how all of this plays out.

00:17:43.000 You know, you can change your religion.

00:17:45.000 We get that.

00:17:45.000 You can change your political party.

00:17:47.000 They're letting you change your name.

00:17:48.000 You can change your sex, which biology itself tells you is not true.

00:17:52.000 But you can't.

00:17:53.000 You can't.

00:17:53.000 You can't change your sex.

00:17:54.000 That's why they say gender. 0.99

00:17:56.000 No, you're absolutely right. 0.96

00:17:57.000 People believe that it's penis versus vagina. 0.98

00:18:00.000 That's not true. 0.86

00:18:01.000 Biology says it's testes versus ovaries, and there is no process to switch or add or remove one of those. 0.99

00:18:07.000 So according to biology, which liberals love to turn to, you can't do it.

00:18:11.000 But the laws say that you can.

00:18:13.000 So the question is going to become, look, in the next 4, 5, 10 years, is this going to be the new thing?

00:18:19.000 Are people going to go around and select their race?

00:18:21.000 To me, that sounds insane.

00:18:23.000 But I also have a broad scope of the way America likes to work.

00:18:27.000 I think the answer is yes, Stephen.

00:18:29.000 I think you're going to be able to pick your race.

00:18:33.000 You kind of sidestepped what I was saying, though, about, isn't it, don't you think it's more reasonable than picking your sex?

00:18:38.000 It's a lot easier.

00:18:39.000 You slap on a tan.

00:18:40.000 The differences between people, as far as races, are generally pretty cosmetic. 1.00

00:18:45.000 And you're going to get some racists now, and you're going to get some idiots like that. 1.00

00:18:51.000 Generally speaking, I believe that a black mommy can do anything a white mommy can do. 1.00

00:18:55.000 I don't believe a woman who sutured up her vagina and said, let me put on something that I bought down at the sex shop here in its place can do everything a daddy can do. 1.00

00:19:06.000 I generally believe that if you're going to talk about something being a societal construct, race would be much more a product of that or certainly the culture of specific races than one's actual sex. 0.98

00:19:19.000 I would not disagree with you.

00:19:21.000 It's as simple as checking a box when it comes to race.

00:19:24.000 The gender issue or the sex issue. 0.81

00:19:27.000 It's far more complicated.

00:19:27.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:19:28.000 The whole thing is complicated, man.

00:19:30.000 I don't know where it came from.

00:19:32.000 I'm trying to be more open.

00:19:33.000 I'm a farm guy from out here in Oregon.

00:19:37.000 I've got to open my eyes a little bit.

00:19:39.000 I've got to watch the news and read about this stuff.

00:19:40.000 You have to open your eyes.

00:19:42.000 I can't walk around my neighborhood and see it. 0.71

00:19:44.000 I'm very ignorant on some of these topics because we don't deal with it.

00:19:49.000 We used to be a little more accepting of who we were.

00:19:51.000 We didn't always like it.

00:19:53.000 I can't be a 6'5 basketball player.

00:19:56.000 I just can't do it.

00:19:56.000 I also can't be a 5'6 woman.

00:19:58.000 I just can't do it.

00:19:59.000 It's just not in the cards for me.

00:20:01.000 There used to be something where we taught the kids to have pride in who you are.

00:20:06.000 Play with the hands you were dealt and celebrate it.

00:20:09.000 And now, nah, listen.

00:20:11.000 Change teams whenever you want.

00:20:12.000 I don't really get that concept.

00:20:13.000 At the same time, I don't know who they're hurting.

00:20:17.000 The libertarian side of me goes, well listen, if there's no victim, there's no crime.

00:20:20.000 I mean, if she wants to say she's black, she's not doing it for monetary gain.

00:20:25.000 She is. 0.88

00:20:25.000 She did. 0.88

00:20:27.000 I'll chalk her up to being a weirdo. 0.61

00:20:28.000 I think it's a weird thing to do, but I don't know if being weird is bad.

00:20:32.000 Wanting to go to the moon is a weird concept.

00:20:34.000 Somebody wanted to do it, so God bless them.

00:20:36.000 I don't get it.

00:20:38.000 Go to the moon.

00:20:39.000 Jump out of an airplane.

00:20:40.000 I don't get it, but go ahead.

00:20:41.000 It's weird.

00:20:42.000 Yeah, it's weird, but I will say that I do think the ultimate complete elimination of gender lines of biology, I mean, that's a construct of third-wave feminism. 0.99

00:20:50.000 We've talked about that before.

00:20:52.000 And generally speaking, it was initially aimed at destroying masculinity, what they believed to be patriarchy.

00:20:59.000 And now we're at a point where it's sort of a dichotomy of the left because they've had to be accepting of everyone to increase their ranks.

00:21:05.000 And you have feminists going, well, hold on a second. 1.00

00:21:06.000 You've benefited from patriarchy your whole life. 0.96

00:21:09.000 And now you're going to have a cosmetic procedure flip and benefit from being a protected class, either a woman or, in this case, being black. 1.00

00:21:18.000 Yeah, like you said, play with the hand that you're dealt. 0.92

00:21:21.000 Now kids want to play with the nether regions that somebody else was dealt.

00:21:24.000 And that's the big problem.

00:21:25.000 And I think, listen, who does it hurt?

00:21:30.000 Here's the thing.

00:21:31.000 I don't have a problem with someone wanting to play dress-up.

00:21:33.000 I don't have a problem with someone wanting to go and call themselves a man.

00:21:36.000 Fine.

00:21:37.000 I have a problem with someone telling me that it's hate speech to not recognize their delusion.

00:21:42.000 We had a person on this show...

00:21:45.000 Very nice person.

00:21:47.000 JJ, man to woman.

00:21:49.000 I had this person's picture in front of me, and I accidentally said he used a masculine pronoun.

00:21:54.000 It wasn't designed to be hateful.

00:21:55.000 It looks like a man in a wig.

00:21:57.000 And I'm told, well, by my producer, Fundip, who, thank God, is not here right now.

00:22:00.000 He's lovable, but he completely disagrees on this issue.

00:22:02.000 Well, it's hate speech if you're not using the pronouns they want.

00:22:05.000 You can live how you want.

00:22:07.000 But forcing me or society to recognize that delusion as reality, that does hurt people.

00:22:14.000 That is unhealthy.

00:22:15.000 And then everything becomes subjective.

00:22:17.000 That's just my opinion.

00:22:19.000 I think you make a very fair point.

00:22:20.000 I think that's a strong line.

00:22:22.000 That they can do what they want, but they shouldn't force you to recognize their delusion.

00:22:25.000 I may steal that.

00:22:26.000 I think that's a good, solid argument.

00:22:28.000 The whole thing's being constructed, though, right now.

00:22:31.000 You like stealing lines.

00:22:32.000 Yeah, I'm as open to this as anybody.

00:22:35.000 There has to be debate on this topic, Stephen, because, again, this is a brand new concept, man.

00:22:39.000 I've never heard of this, and I have a degree in this.

00:22:43.000 This is what we studied in college.

00:22:45.000 This specific idea never even came up until Friday of last week.

00:22:51.000 So let's have a little debate.

00:22:52.000 And I think that your talking points are as good as any.

00:22:56.000 Why are your pictures so crooked in the background?

00:22:57.000 It's like going to a Lebanese restaurant where the pictures are never quite level.

00:23:00.000 Do you have an app for that?

00:23:02.000 Are they crooked or is that the camera angle?

00:23:04.000 I don't know.

00:23:05.000 I've literally never turned around and stared at them.

00:23:07.000 I think that's the camera angle.

00:23:08.000 Or maybe my wall's crooked.

00:23:10.000 I think the pictures are straight.

00:23:11.000 No, they're not.

00:23:12.000 They're not straight.

00:23:13.000 It's like a Tim Burton film and it's distracting and you should be ashamed of yourself.

00:23:16.000 Who are you going to believe?

00:23:17.000 Me or your lion eyes?

00:23:19.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:23:21.000 Okay, so we're...

00:23:22.000 Are you still lifting heavy now?

00:23:24.000 I know you're not fighting.

00:23:25.000 What are you doing to stay in shape these days?

00:23:26.000 Yeah, I've been training a lot of, or practicing, I should, because there's a big difference in training and practicing.

00:23:32.000 I've been practicing a lot lately.

00:23:34.000 Grappling stuff, I did a match in Metamorris.

00:23:36.000 Yeah, I watched it against Babalu.

00:23:38.000 Yeah, Babalu, thank you.

00:23:40.000 I had a lot of fun, and I was going to do Abu Dhabi, and that didn't work out.

00:23:45.000 I actually just got removed myself from that bracket.

00:23:50.000 But I've been doing some grappling stuff, trying to stay a little bit fit, but that's where that stands.

00:23:56.000 Do you put the gi on it all when you train these days or no?

00:23:59.000 Yeah.

00:23:59.000 Yeah, we train with the gi.

00:24:01.000 I'm at a Gracie Baja gym.

00:24:02.000 It's very traditional.

00:24:03.000 So, yeah, man, we do the gis and the belts and the whole bit.

00:24:07.000 Do you like it?

00:24:09.000 Yeah, I like it.

00:24:10.000 I don't love it.

00:24:11.000 When I close my eyes at night, I imagine being an MMA fighter.

00:24:16.000 And gi jujitsu is its own sport.

00:24:19.000 It's a totally separate sport, and it's not exactly what I fantasize about being.

00:24:26.000 But I do like it.

00:24:28.000 It's a great sport, but at 38 years old, it's just not one that I'm totally devoted to learning.

00:24:34.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

00:24:35.000 It's pretty technical, and it slows the pace down quite a bit.

00:24:38.000 We have people at Guy Mezger's gym who are national champion wrestlers, and you put the gi on them, and I can handle it.

00:24:48.000 Or my 54-year-old father can.

00:24:50.000 Tremendous judo.

00:24:51.000 Take the gi off, it's a whole different game.

00:24:53.000 That's one thing, too.

00:24:55.000 You just want to talk politics, but see, I always talk politics, so I want to talk the fight game.

00:24:59.000 People don't understand this, and you can just tell me to shut up.

00:25:02.000 But, the Anderson Silva fight, Anderson Silva 2, let me say this for a second, because you were so gracious in it, I'm not going to be.

00:25:08.000 The short grab, when I counted it in a replay, it was like 40-something seconds.

00:25:12.000 It wasn't a quick grab.

00:25:13.000 Now, my father was a hockey player at U of M. My father had jiu-jitsu in the gi.

00:25:17.000 Like I've just told you, we can see the exact difference between gi and no gi.

00:25:21.000 It's the difference in being taken down at will by an NCAA wrestler, or being able to stuff it completely.

00:25:29.000 Right?

00:25:29.000 When he was grabbing onto your shorts, that completely negates your hip movement and gives him a gross advantage.

00:25:38.000 Why?

00:25:39.000 Does that bother you at all?

00:25:40.000 Is it just me?

00:25:41.000 I know you said you would have taken it if you had it, but don't you think that affected that outcome there?

00:25:44.000 I mean, that must have been very frustrating to you going, oh, I'm going to do this movement and you're not able to do it because someone is hooked onto your shorts like super glue.

00:25:51.000 And then I'll let it go.

00:25:53.000 No, no, it's okay.

00:25:54.000 Yeah, it definitely did.

00:25:56.000 I still remember he grabbed my shorts and he threw a punch and I remember I still can see that hand coming across my face and I remember thinking, oh God, I'm glad that didn't land.

00:26:07.000 And, uh...

00:26:07.000 Right.

00:26:08.000 Yeah, you know, it was a dirty, dirty move, and I completely respect it, and I would have done it to him had I thought of it.

00:26:15.000 I've never thought of it.

00:26:16.000 I've never seen it.

00:26:17.000 And, you know, that is Anderson's move.

00:26:20.000 When Anderson's in a fight that he feels he's not going to win, he will cheat for the reason being he doesn't view a disqualification as a loss.

00:26:28.000 In fact, at the time of that fight, his previous loss, he had to go way back...

00:26:32.000 Yeah, it was a disqualification.

00:26:35.000 These aren't sour grapes, man.

00:26:37.000 I'm not knocking the guy in the least.

00:26:39.000 I'm just answering your question. 0.96

00:26:40.000 Yeah, it was a dirty, filthy, gangster move that I wish I would have thought of and done to him. 0.95

00:26:45.000 Oh, right. 0.97

00:26:46.000 That's fair.

00:26:47.000 I know you want to talk about the politics stuff.

00:26:48.000 Except I would have landed the punch.

00:26:50.000 He wouldn't have slipped out of the way like old Chael did. 0.96

00:26:52.000 Yeah.

00:26:53.000 Well, I mean, that changes the whole thing.

00:26:54.000 You know, Stu Grimson was a friend of ours in hockey.

00:26:56.000 hockey I think we talked about this a long time ago when you're on a show I was sub hosting and his whole thing was he was about 6'5", 245 which in the 90s was huge in hockey his thing was getting your jersey holding you out so you couldn't hit him and all he had to do was get the timing right where he pulled you in and threw that right and you know that's that's what creates that impact right is that locomotion two things going in the same direction and uh that was his move that's what he did so when I was that's an effective move it's An effective move!

00:27:24.000 And he was crazy, too.

00:27:25.000 He was actually a born-again Christian who did all kinds of ministry work, and they called him the Grim Reaper. 0.95

00:27:28.000 And he hated it.

00:27:29.000 Hated it.

00:27:30.000 Hated being called the Grim Reaper.

00:27:32.000 All right.

00:27:33.000 I didn't talk about the Anderson Silva thing.

00:27:33.000 So sorry.

00:27:35.000 Here's one thing I will ask you.

00:27:36.000 And we'll go back to politics.

00:27:37.000 But since I have you and we're doing the online thing...

00:27:40.000 Ask away, man.

00:27:41.000 Why is MMA training, strength training, so crappy? 0.83

00:27:44.000 Why do you guys allow so many charlatans into strength training in MMA? Guys putting on their gas masks and running in reverse on a treadmill.

00:27:51.000 It doesn't work.

00:27:52.000 It's not effective.

00:27:53.000 I've trained with many professional MMA fighters.

00:27:56.000 Staggeringly weak, Chael.

00:27:57.000 You know that.

00:27:58.000 The MMA fighters are great at MMA. They're not very strong, and they continually live in this fantasy.

00:28:03.000 We had Coach Ripto on here.

00:28:06.000 Guy Mesker is actually very smart when it comes to strength training.

00:28:09.000 Is it the CrossFit BS permeating it.

00:28:11.000 I'm sorry, you may disagree with me, but it boggles the mind.

00:28:15.000 Yeah, no, you're right.

00:28:16.000 And there are a lot of charlatans in every industry, and they've infiltrated MMA more so than others.

00:28:22.000 But here's the rule in boxing.

00:28:24.000 The question in boxing is, will weight training hurt you, or will it really hurt you?

00:28:31.000 It's definitely one of those evils in boxing.

00:28:34.000 Now, the difference there is they are 100% speed.

00:28:38.000 You've got to get to the target, and that muscle can slow you down.

00:28:41.000 In grappling, which in MMA... Strength can really help you, but you've got to start in the striking realm.

00:28:49.000 So there's a really fine balance.

00:28:51.000 Let's start with that now.

00:28:52.000 Secondly, as far as strength training goes, the more complicated you can talk, the more circles you can drive somebody in and just confuse them, the more likely you are to get the job.

00:29:04.000 MMA fighters love it when a trainer comes in and starts talking about biomechanics and physiology and becoming a better athlete and short twitch muscles.

00:29:17.000 same scam going on with diets all the way on the government level i mean they're banning trans fats now and we have trans fats because they wanted to ban saturated fats so we use hydrogenated vegetable oils which are higher in trans fats and they're like saturated fat wasn't bad for you i'm sorry it's the bs you you can't get two nutritionalists to agree you You can't do it.

00:29:36.000 As far as nutrition goes, man, people do not understand it in the least.

00:29:41.000 There used to be a carb push.

00:29:43.000 Now it's an anti-carb push.

00:29:44.000 A protein push.

00:29:47.000 Fat, I mean, it's ridiculous what people say with diet.

00:29:51.000 It's as simple as this.

00:29:52.000 Burn more calories than you take in, you'll lose weight.

00:29:54.000 Take in more calories than you burn, and you'll gain weight.

00:29:57.000 It doesn't matter if you're eating saturated fats. 0.56

00:30:00.000 It's all crap, but the more you can confuse people, the more likely you are to get somebody to just throw their hands up and go, okay, let's do it your way. 0.90

00:30:08.000 You sound like you know what you're talking about. 0.99

00:30:10.000 You don't.

00:30:11.000 Right.

00:30:12.000 Yeah, I will say this though.

00:30:13.000 With strength training, people talk about A-level athletes, right?

00:30:17.000 And that's the knock against UFC. Well, there's not enough money in it yet, so you don't get the A-level athletes.

00:30:21.000 Well, the reason you have A-level athletes is because hockey, football, any of those sports that are contact sports, they all train the same way.

00:30:27.000 Heavy compound lifts with periodized progression.

00:30:30.000 MMA trainers do not do that.

00:30:33.000 And Mark Ripto, who's not an MMA guy, but is brilliant in the realm of action.

00:30:37.000 I mean, he wrote Starting Strength.

00:30:38.000 We talked about that.

00:30:39.000 And I even disagreed with him on some things, saying, hey, you know, there's a life budget.

00:30:42.000 You can only...

00:30:43.000 I mean, when you're doing two-a-days and you're doing grappling, it's very hard in the body.

00:30:46.000 You can't do a full-on powerlifting routine.

00:30:47.000 And I ask this because I was just watching a video...

00:30:50.000 Yesterday, I won't name names, but it's a guy who I'm sure you know who's a trainer who was actually teaching a guy who's pretty successful in USC in one of the lighter weight classes who's known for his knockout power.

00:30:59.000 And he was actually saying in the video, we actually basically want to remove the legs from the equation.

00:31:05.000 A lot of people think you drive with your hips into a punch.

00:31:08.000 I actually want him to torque his spine and keep his feet flat.

00:31:12.000 This is an MMA trainer.

00:31:14.000 I'm watching it going, how do you guys let these people in?

00:31:18.000 Can you just beat a few up?

00:31:19.000 I mean, can you do that for us?

00:31:20.000 Can you fix this, Jill?

00:31:22.000 It's very tough.

00:31:23.000 You know, it's pretty easy to break into MMA. It's not the smartest guys in the world.

00:31:28.000 There's no union keeping you out.

00:31:30.000 There's no teams keeping you out.

00:31:32.000 Every guy has his choice of who he brings in.

00:31:34.000 You know, if you go get drafted to the Philadelphia Eagles, they have a staff in place, and that's who's going to become your coaches.

00:31:42.000 And these guys are vetted, and they're professionals, and they're very good.

00:31:45.000 As far as MMA goes, everybody has the right to go out and grab their own guys and their own corner, man.

00:31:49.000 And duping an MMA guy isn't super hard.

00:31:52.000 And the bottom line, Stephen, is nobody truly knows.

00:31:57.000 You know, the way we do it in America, even on an NCAA level, the Russians will come over. 1.00

00:32:02.000 And the Russians are master of amateur sport.

00:32:05.000 The Russians will come over and say, you guys are doing it all wrong.

00:32:08.000 This isn't how we train.

00:32:09.000 And we win more gold medals than anybody.

00:32:11.000 So it's really hard to get people to agree.

00:32:14.000 You go out there, you work hard, you show up on Saturday night, and you hope it pays off.

00:32:19.000 A lot of that is the truth in sport.

00:32:21.000 There is no perfect science.

00:32:23.000 I mean, if I could take my kid, there's no recipe that if he follows the recipe exactly, he's going to come out with chocolate chip cookies.

00:32:30.000 It doesn't work that way.

00:32:33.000 People are different, and some guys do more with less.

00:32:36.000 Some guys, the harder you train them, it just grinds them down.

00:32:38.000 I see that happen all the time.

00:32:40.000 My dad was a horseman, and he had this trainer come to him and say, you have to claim this horse.

00:32:46.000 His name is Sunvest.

00:32:47.000 I am the only guy that knows how to train him.

00:32:49.000 And my dad said, well, why?

00:32:50.000 What do you know about him?

00:32:51.000 He said, this horse doesn't want to work.

00:32:53.000 You wake him up in the morning, you walk him around the track, and when Saturday comes around, he'll beat everybody.

00:32:59.000 And so my dad claimed him, and that horse won five straight races and then had a photo finish for second place and then won three more straight races, which set and still holds a record out here at Portland Meadows.

00:33:11.000 The point is there are human athletes that are the same way.

00:33:14.000 They don't want to train.

00:33:16.000 Robbie Lawler doesn't train.

00:33:17.000 People talk about it all the time.

00:33:18.000 He doesn't train very hard, and he doesn't warm up before fights.

00:33:21.000 He kind of stretches out, then he walks to the octagon.

00:33:24.000 That is generally a recipe for disaster.

00:33:25.000 So I heard he was training so hard now in Florida.

00:33:30.000 He's in Florida now.

00:33:31.000 Yeah, and I don't know how he's training out there, but when he was out at Miletic, that's what guys would say about him.

00:33:35.000 And it wasn't a knock.

00:33:36.000 You know, Pat Miletic just said, look, you got to just kind of let him in, move around a little bit.

00:33:40.000 He'll do that for a few months.

00:33:41.000 He'll walk out there.

00:33:42.000 He'll be fine.

00:33:43.000 And he was.

00:33:44.000 Yeah, no, that's true.

00:33:45.000 I think you said the same thing about Jon Jones.

00:33:46.000 He doesn't train a whole bunch, and he's just an ungodly talent.

00:33:51.000 Yeah, he was born with that, though.

00:33:52.000 Yeah, he's got different genetics.

00:33:54.000 You know, Robbie Lawler's kind of just a regular guy, and this is just how his approach to fighting.

00:33:58.000 Jon Jones is a truly gifted athlete.

00:34:02.000 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

00:34:04.000 But the one thing I will argue, everyone can control getting stronger, and we do know the science plan.

00:34:09.000 And you know you have a wrestling background.

00:34:10.000 What do they have you doing?

00:34:11.000 Squats?

00:34:12.000 Deadlifts?

00:34:12.000 Presses?

00:34:13.000 Cleans?

00:34:13.000 Yeah, we do a lot of that.

00:34:13.000 Right?

00:34:14.000 I don't disagree with what you're saying, but it does come back to the debate of, do you want to get stronger?

00:34:20.000 Generally, people have accepted bigger, stronger, faster is better.

00:34:25.000 And we've been taught otherwise.

00:34:28.000 I mean, Mike Tyson in his prime was 220 pounds.

00:34:31.000 He was the smallest heavyweight there was.

00:34:32.000 He was the heavyweight champion.

00:34:33.000 Muhammad Ali in his prime was 198 pounds.

00:34:38.000 And he was the world's heavyweight champion.

00:34:40.000 So the reality is the smaller, weaker guy generally does better in a fistfight because he doesn't have to carry that weight around.

00:34:47.000 That's contrary to most people's logic.

00:34:51.000 But the facts are the facts.

00:34:53.000 Okay, but I disagree with you there.

00:34:54.000 And this is okay.

00:34:55.000 It's healthy.

00:34:56.000 Mike Tyson was insanely strong.

00:34:57.000 Juice to the gills.

00:34:58.000 No one even doubts it.

00:34:59.000 He just came out recently and said, I would have done more drugs if I could have done the better drugs.

00:35:05.000 Again, it's like taking John Jones and he doesn't train well.

00:35:07.000 Wait, who was that?

00:35:08.000 Who did that? 0.91

00:35:09.000 Yeah, he just said, they said, what would you have done differently?

00:35:09.000 Mike Tyson did that?

00:35:11.000 He said, I would have taken more drugs.

00:35:14.000 I did not know that.

00:35:15.000 Now, I'm extrapolating, but if he's saying I would have taken more drugs...

00:35:20.000 It leads one to believe that there were some initial drugs to begin with.

00:35:25.000 Sure.

00:35:26.000 Oh yeah, that was never within question.

00:35:28.000 You could take one look at him, but the rules were different back then.

00:35:31.000 But I didn't know he came out and admitted it.

00:35:33.000 Nobody comes out and admits it if they're not caught, so good for Mike.

00:35:36.000 Well, I don't think he admitted.

00:35:37.000 He just said he would have taken more drugs, and I think he went on.

00:35:39.000 It was more so a commentary on the designer steroids that are available today.

00:35:43.000 But you can't take an extreme example like John Jones.

00:35:47.000 I had one guy when I was in crappling class, and I said, you know, guy was just – and the first thing, right, if you win, Shale, you know this, is if you're a pretty big guy, you're middleweight, but you walk around, what, 235?

00:35:57.000 They say, gosh, you're really strong, as though it couldn't be technique.

00:36:00.000 You know, about two and a quarter.

00:36:01.000 I'm not huge.

00:36:02.000 The guy goes, well, what should I do?

00:36:03.000 And I said, well, listen, you're about 135 pounds.

00:36:06.000 I said, the first thing you need to do is get stronger.

00:36:09.000 Good for you.

00:36:09.000 You can beat people at 135 pounds.

00:36:11.000 A really strong woman could kick your ass. 1.00

00:36:13.000 So if your goal is doing this to actually be able to defend yourself versus win a competition on points, you should get stronger. 1.00

00:36:18.000 Another guy goes, oh, Chai Otero?

00:36:20.000 He doesn't strength train.

00:36:22.000 Marcelo Garcia?

00:36:22.000 You know, people who I know or have rolled with him, they're the best in the world still in a Bantamweight division.

00:36:29.000 You're not him.

00:36:30.000 You probably benefit from getting stronger.

00:36:32.000 And I only say it because it's incredibly frustrating to train an MMA gym and these guys are just, they don't progress and they reject it.

00:36:38.000 There's this, getting big is going to make me weaker.

00:36:40.000 It's going to make, sorry, it's going to make me slower, inflexible.

00:36:43.000 Anyway, that's been driving me nuts.

00:36:45.000 Absolutely nuts, Chael.

00:36:46.000 I'm sorry to burden you with that.

00:36:47.000 Let's go back to politics.

00:36:48.000 So, trannies. 1.00

00:36:49.000 What are your opinions on those, Chael?

00:36:50.000 Let's go back to that.

00:36:51.000 Did you say trannies? 0.89

00:36:52.000 Yeah, I did. 0.96

00:36:55.000 It's a hate word, I know.

00:36:56.000 You don't have to use the word I did.

00:36:57.000 It's okay.

00:36:58.000 I don't know if it's a hate word.

00:36:59.000 Maybe it is a hate word.

00:37:00.000 I really don't...

00:37:01.000 Okay.

00:37:03.000 Every mechanic is guilty of hate speech.

00:37:04.000 Here's one of the problems that I don't...

00:37:06.000 I've never fully understood, you know, what does transgender mean or transsexual or cross-dresser?

00:37:11.000 But it's very important that you do know the difference because a person can't just throw a dress on and proclaim they're a woman.

00:37:18.000 And society tried to say for a little bit that they could.

00:37:21.000 Oh, that's a woman. 1.00

00:37:22.000 They want to be a woman. 1.00

00:37:22.000 No, they still are. 1.00

00:37:24.000 We have to actually have a rule there because if a guy throws a dress on and then attempts to go into the girls' locker room, we could have a real problem on our hands and you can't just tell the cops, yeah, that he's in there because this is how he identifies.

00:37:39.000 You've got to set up some parameters.

00:37:40.000 I dealt with this and I'm not in Westland, Oregon.

00:37:43.000 Now, Oregon's a very blue and liberal state, but Westland is one of the most conservative parts of the country.

00:37:50.000 I had a math teacher named Mr.

00:37:52.000 He was my algebra teacher.

00:37:52.000 Kent.

00:37:55.000 Five years ago, he's still at the high school that I was at.

00:37:57.000 Six years ago, he returned to the school after summer break as Miss Kent.

00:38:05.000 He did not give any warning.

00:38:07.000 He just walked through the school door as Miss Kent. 0.97

00:38:12.000 That ironically takes balls to do.

00:38:15.000 Yeah, and the school board, you know, he got the union and everybody backed him and he's still in the school right now, but it was very complicated because it comes back to the most simplistic thing of which bathroom do we send him to? 0.85

00:38:26.000 We can't send him in there with the girls if he's a guy.

00:38:30.000 We can't send him in there with the guys with the girls. 0.96

00:38:32.000 They didn't know what to do legally.

00:38:33.000 They still don't know.

00:38:35.000 They had to close off a bathroom that is now only...

00:38:41.000 It's only that person's bathroom. 0.80

00:38:44.000 So it is a little bit more complicated.

00:38:46.000 You can't just throw your hands up and go, well, this is how a person feels this day.

00:38:49.000 It's not that simple.

00:38:51.000 And I don't know how girls' locker rooms work, but I can tell you, when I very first joined a health club, I had to be 14 years old. 0.74

00:38:56.000 That was the law in Oregon.

00:38:57.000 It was called...

00:38:59.000 Nelson's Nautilus bought out by Gold's Gym.

00:39:02.000 But for the guys, we all showered together.

00:39:05.000 There was a huge shower with all these different ones and you just walked in and showered.

00:39:08.000 Well, the problem that came over time was members that are over 18 years old are adults.

00:39:14.000 Members under 18 years old are minors.

00:39:16.000 So now you have adults and children showering together, which after you got these The pedophilia rage that went through this country, they had to do away with that.

00:39:26.000 Now, every health club, you have your own shower.

00:39:29.000 So I don't really know how the girls' locker room works, but you get my point.

00:39:32.000 I like to imagine that it's all one big shower.

00:39:35.000 Yeah, but a guy wants to throw on a dress, he can't just storm into the bathroom and then come out and go, well, this is how I felt today.

00:39:40.000 There has to be rules.

00:39:42.000 And I've never totally understood at what point you go from a cross-dresser to a trans-dresser.

00:39:49.000 There is a medical step that has to take place to fulfill that legal requirement.

00:39:56.000 There isn't.

00:39:57.000 That's the issue right now.

00:39:58.000 There isn't.

00:39:58.000 And saying that there is is hateful.

00:39:59.000 We did that.

00:40:00.000 I don't know if you saw the video.

00:40:01.000 I think there is.

00:40:03.000 You have to be X amount through post-op to actually qualify?

00:40:09.000 No.

00:40:10.000 You made that up.

00:40:12.000 Yeah, pull that up.

00:40:13.000 No, that's the thing.

00:40:13.000 I'm not sure.

00:40:14.000 I don't know if you saw the video where I dressed up as a woman and went to Planet Fitness.

00:40:19.000 The reason that was acceptable was because there are people who, I mean, we had J.J. Marigafreda on the show, has a song about wanting to go to the bathroom.

00:40:27.000 Uses women's bathrooms. 0.99

00:40:27.000 Penis. 0.99

00:40:28.000 It is how do you identify. 0.99

00:40:31.000 That's all it is right now.

00:40:34.000 There is no – there's nothing else in place right now other than does this person kind of look like a woman. 0.71

00:40:39.000 Okay, they're not checking for papers.

00:40:42.000 There's no law that says you have to have actually gone through any kind of a surgery.

00:40:46.000 There would be no way to enforce that law at all.

00:40:50.000 So that's what it comes down to.

00:40:51.000 Does someone want to say they're a woman? 1.00

00:40:52.000 And that's the issue.

00:40:54.000 A lot of women feel very unsafe and very uncomfortable with it. 0.99

00:40:57.000 When polled nationally, most women say, I'm not comfortable with it. 0.99

00:41:02.000 By the way, they're still getting a split of half the women in this country at least being liberal. 1.00

00:41:07.000 So they're not hateful.

00:41:08.000 They're just saying, I don't feel safe with it.

00:41:09.000 There is no way to enforce it.

00:41:12.000 Put on a dress, put on a wig, say you're a woman, and they can be in there showering with Britney. 1.00

00:41:16.000 Let me split this off of something that you just said.

00:41:19.000 You were just talking about woman.

00:41:21.000 You were saying that word.

00:41:21.000 Woman.

00:41:23.000 I guarantee you, and when people hear me say this, they're going to roll their eyes and think I'm exaggerating.

00:41:28.000 Mark my words.

00:41:29.000 Don't roll your eyes.

00:41:30.000 One year from now, you will be afraid to say woman.

00:41:34.000 Without thinking you are somehow creating a hate speech or offending somebody.

00:41:39.000 And it will solely be done by Hillary Clinton. 1.00

00:41:41.000 This is going to be her campaign strategy. 0.75

00:41:43.000 It's not a terrible strategy, but she's already laying the groundwork.

00:41:47.000 It's men versus women. 1.00

00:41:49.000 If you support women, you support me.

00:41:51.000 If you go against me, you're against women. 0.99

00:41:55.000 And she's already starting this.

00:41:58.000 And I'm telling you, one year from now, man and woman, you're going to, your palms are going to sweat if you say it, and you're worried you're going to be fired and outcasted because you're such a bad person.

00:42:08.000 It's going to become hate speech.

00:42:09.000 I said that, yeah, I talked about that in September.

00:42:11.000 I said, watch, you're going to have a moment where all of a sudden, all of the racist people who oppose Barack Obama in this country are going to become sexist people who oppose Hillary.

00:42:20.000 For sure.

00:42:20.000 You got it.

00:42:21.000 What was that?

00:42:22.000 Jared is chiming in.

00:42:23.000 Looks like I could talk about you guys.

00:42:24.000 Oh yeah, have you seen that now?

00:42:25.000 This is my feminine producer, Jared, who's androgynous. 0.81

00:42:28.000 Not at all.

00:42:29.000 I pick him up like a suitcase and carry him under my arm.

00:42:31.000 What up, J-Rod?

00:42:32.000 What up, J-Rod?

00:42:34.000 He's giggling like a schoolgirl. 1.00

00:42:36.000 He's also gay. 1.00

00:42:38.000 You're off, Jared. 0.99

00:42:39.000 J-Rod, his point was...

00:42:41.000 What was he saying?

00:42:43.000 What was your point?

00:42:43.000 Something?

00:42:43.000 Oh, you guys!

00:42:44.000 Yeah, Vox.

00:42:45.000 Have you seen that?

00:42:45.000 A guy was like, hey, I've really learned now that I shouldn't use the phrase you guys.

00:42:51.000 So the Goonies apparently was a hate speech extravaganza.

00:42:51.000 It's...

00:42:55.000 Have you seen this?

00:42:56.000 No, I haven't.

00:42:57.000 I haven't.

00:42:59.000 The rules do change.

00:43:01.000 I was in sixth grade.

00:43:04.000 I was 12 years old.

00:43:05.000 You were one years old when the term political correctness came out in this country.

00:43:11.000 You've never put those two words together.

00:43:13.000 You didn't even know what it meant.

00:43:14.000 I was in the sixth grade when that came out.

00:43:16.000 Janitors started being called maintenance engineers.

00:43:20.000 Everything got changed.

00:43:22.000 But back then...

00:43:24.000 It was always African-American if somebody was black. 0.64

00:43:27.000 And that carried over to our government.

00:43:29.000 If law enforcement had spotted a black man and was to call it in, they would say African-American male. 0.94

00:43:35.000 State their height, whatever they're wearing.

00:43:38.000 That has become wrong.

00:43:40.000 The term African-American is not correct anymore.

00:43:44.000 It is now black.

00:43:45.000 Because the reason is not all blacks are African.

00:43:49.000 The point I'm getting at is to what you're saying.

00:43:52.000 We used to say, you guys, but the rules change over time.

00:43:57.000 I hate it.

00:43:58.000 I don't think it's a good way to live. 0.99

00:44:00.000 And I think a person needs to be able to speak freely as long as their intent isn't to hurt somebody because you keep changing the damn rules on us.

00:44:09.000 What I always find funny is as you're going through a point, because you tend to speak a lot, you always feel the need to be like, the point I'm getting at is...

00:44:17.000 Sometimes you go in a few different directions.

00:44:20.000 I'm talking about when I'm 12 years old, I've got to tie everything together, but it's like, if you cut me off...

00:44:26.000 I'm going to have a few things dangling there.

00:44:28.000 You've got to let me finish this thought.

00:44:30.000 But it's true.

00:44:31.000 You know, the rules change.

00:44:32.000 And if some guy now is too afraid to say, you guys, there's probably a reason for it.

00:44:37.000 He probably got, whether it was social media or somebody in his family, came down on him and now he's like, I'm not trying to offend you gals.

00:44:45.000 I think gals is a hate word now. 0.95

00:44:48.000 It will be.

00:44:50.000 Wait for a year from now.

00:44:51.000 J-Rod, who also happens to be gay, is in.

00:44:53.000 What is it, Jared?

00:44:54.000 Not gay. 1.00

00:44:55.000 Not that there's anything wrong with that.

00:44:57.000 Not that there's anything wrong with it.

00:44:58.000 The best part of the Vox moment is just the suggestions they give you.

00:45:01.000 For alternatives, because they feel the need to at least, okay, how do we address this?

00:45:05.000 What do we say?

00:45:06.000 So the suggestion they give are, hey, friends.

00:45:08.000 Okay, whatever.

00:45:09.000 Hey, folks.

00:45:10.000 Hey, everyone.

00:45:11.000 Hey, colleagues.

00:45:13.000 Hey, everyone.

00:45:15.000 Hey, gang.

00:45:16.000 Hey, gang.

00:45:18.000 Yeah, I'll use that in Baltimore.

00:45:19.000 Yeah.

00:45:20.000 And then, hey, y'all, which I think is kind of offensive to Southerners.

00:45:23.000 Sure.

00:45:24.000 I talk about that.

00:45:24.000 Well, you know what's funny?

00:45:25.000 All right.

00:45:26.000 You're off, okay, Jared.

00:45:27.000 I've talked about this.

00:45:30.000 You talk about y'all. 0.97

00:45:31.000 Black Americans, we think there's black Americans and Paula Deans, white Southern sort of racists who look like Ursula from Little Mermaid. 1.00

00:45:40.000 And when you really think about it, y'all is something that's a commonality almost exclusively in those two cultures.

00:45:46.000 Black Americans tend to share a lot in common with white Southerners as far as I think it's something that's missed on a lot of people.

00:45:58.000 I mean, who else says y'all unless it's a white person from the South or a black person?

00:46:03.000 You say y'all, Chael, and West Lynn a lot?

00:46:05.000 No, I don't.

00:46:06.000 And you're right.

00:46:07.000 I don't think it's a black or white thing.

00:46:08.000 I always thought it was a Southern thing.

00:46:09.000 The first time I ever heard y'all was my friend Sam Ehler had moved here from Texas.

00:46:14.000 And that's how they talked in Texas.

00:46:16.000 And then I had a couple of Oklahoma coaches in college and they also used y'all.

00:46:21.000 So, yeah, I've always thought it was a Southern Midwest thing.

00:46:23.000 I don't think it's select to a race.

00:46:26.000 No, I don't, but I'm saying you don't see white people saying it unless they're from the South.

00:46:30.000 But even in the Midwest, you will hear black people using the word y'all.

00:46:34.000 I don't know.

00:46:35.000 That's something I found interesting.

00:46:36.000 Sorry, I thought you were sociology.

00:46:37.000 I've had the same experience.

00:46:40.000 I thought you'd bite on it in sociology.

00:46:42.000 Apparently, I'm just a crappy interviewer.

00:46:44.000 Well, that's linguistics.

00:46:46.000 You're talking linguistics there, and it's a colloquialism.

00:46:48.000 That's not even in the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

00:46:52.000 So, what the hell?

00:46:53.000 I don't know anything about it, y'all. 0.88

00:46:54.000 I don't know.

00:46:55.000 I've listened to your podcast.

00:46:56.000 You talk about a lot of stuff you don't know anything about.

00:46:58.000 That's true.

00:46:58.000 I used to...

00:47:00.000 I used to...

00:47:01.000 I used to ask my buddy Sam in the fourth grade.

00:47:03.000 Hey, what is that you're saying, y'all?

00:47:05.000 Hey, can I ask you something?

00:47:06.000 Something important?

00:47:07.000 How about it?

00:47:08.000 What made you go from the hair when it was longer, you know, Silva, Son, and Era 2, back to, like, walking into the barber, give me the boy's cut number six?

00:47:20.000 Yeah, you know what?

00:47:21.000 I was on a trip and I had a barber.

00:47:25.000 I was out of town and he gave me a haircut.

00:47:27.000 And when the haircut ends, he styled it for me.

00:47:31.000 And I thought, wow, that's kind of cool.

00:47:33.000 I've had the same hairdo from the day I was born.

00:47:35.000 I got a couple of calyx.

00:47:37.000 The way it pushes it, I put some hairspray and walk out the door.

00:47:39.000 And I thought, well, that's kind of cool.

00:47:41.000 And I went with it for a little bit.

00:47:43.000 I got a few compliments.

00:47:44.000 And then, you know, one day the calyx won over and that was it.

00:47:48.000 I don't have a great story there.

00:47:49.000 No.

00:47:50.000 Well, because I don't know if you know, people were taking your hairdo and putting it on other people, like for a Chael meme online.

00:47:57.000 Have you ever seen that?

00:47:58.000 Kind of like the Rashad face?

00:47:59.000 I haven't seen it, but that's what the kids call Photoshop.

00:48:02.000 This is what they call Photoshop.

00:48:04.000 Or if you're really poor, MS Paint, where you just go in and use a little dripper.

00:48:09.000 What if you're really poor?

00:48:11.000 What's your MS Paint?

00:48:12.000 The first time you got that, you're like, I can make I'm not sure that's a qualification, but yes, I do remember MS Paint.

00:48:19.000 You are poor, aren't you?

00:48:20.000 You're like Mr.

00:48:21.000 Apple, aren't you?

00:48:21.000 Don't you have Apple everything?

00:48:23.000 I got Apple a few things.

00:48:24.000 Yeah, I love Apple.

00:48:25.000 I'm on a PC right now.

00:48:28.000 I prefer a PC, but they get viruses.

00:48:30.000 Apple's pretty cool.

00:48:31.000 You don't have to deal with that.

00:48:33.000 Yeah, especially if you're looking up sociology and anything comes up that involves transgender, you can bet there are going to be some sites bringing you some viruses. 1.00

00:48:39.000 That's right.

00:48:40.000 I remember when I was there out in West Linn.

00:48:42.000 Sorry, we'll wrap this up.

00:48:44.000 I guess you have other things to do.

00:48:45.000 But with the online thing, there's no time limit.

00:48:46.000 I remember when I was in West Linn.

00:48:48.000 I was out there, and you were very, very nice, actually, when you hosted me out there.

00:48:52.000 You didn't even have anything resembling a smartphone.

00:48:55.000 As a matter of fact, you took it as a badge of honor to not get one.

00:48:58.000 What changed?

00:48:59.000 Because about three months after that, you got one.

00:49:01.000 I had the flip phone.

00:49:03.000 You're bringing back good memories.

00:49:05.000 I had a flip phone from Sprint, and it was called the T8300. Sprint quit making it.

00:49:10.000 So when the phone would fall in water or get old or break or whatever...

00:49:15.000 When I would go to Sprint, they would no longer replace it for me.

00:49:19.000 And it was such a learning curve for me that I didn't want to do.

00:49:22.000 So I went on eBay.

00:49:23.000 I bought every T8300 I could find.

00:49:26.000 So I had a whole box.

00:49:27.000 So I think there was like 9 or 11 phones and they were less than 20 bucks a piece.

00:49:32.000 So I saved them for years.

00:49:34.000 And Sprint would transfer my phone books back and forth as long as I brought them the device.

00:49:39.000 And then one day I broke down.

00:49:41.000 I got an Apple phone.

00:49:43.000 I didn't think I would like it.

00:49:45.000 I loved it.

00:49:46.000 I could do everything all in one.

00:49:48.000 I didn't need to sit in an office.

00:49:49.000 I could send emails.

00:49:50.000 I could do the whole bit.

00:49:52.000 Man, it won me over quick.

00:49:53.000 I like it.

00:49:55.000 What's his name?

00:49:55.000 Steve Jobs changed the world, man.

00:49:57.000 He did a great job.

00:49:58.000 He did something very rare.

00:49:59.000 He left the world a better place than he found it.

00:50:02.000 It's a very rare thing to do.

00:50:03.000 Except his family. 1.00

00:50:05.000 Kind of treated them like crap. 1.00

00:50:07.000 Yeah, I'll tell you what. 0.99

00:50:09.000 He had a rough upbringing, though.

00:50:10.000 You know the story on his father?

00:50:12.000 He had never met his father.

00:50:14.000 And his father was a restauranteur in Silicon Valley, and Steve Jobs used to go eat there.

00:50:20.000 And so one day his sister came to him and said, hey, I want to find mom.

00:50:23.000 And so he said, okay, let's go find mom.

00:50:26.000 So they went and found their mom, and then she said, I want to find dad.

00:50:28.000 And he's like, I'm out.

00:50:29.000 I want nothing to do with dad.

00:50:31.000 He had a resentment towards that.

00:50:32.000 So she went and found him.

00:50:33.000 Well, it turned out he owned the restaurant that they used to eat at together.

00:50:37.000 And the dad didn't know Steve was his kid.

00:50:41.000 Steve didn't know the guy.

00:50:42.000 And Steve died.

00:50:43.000 And the sister kept the secret.

00:50:45.000 She told Steve, I'm going to find him, but I'll never reveal him to you or you to him.

00:50:49.000 And she kept her word, even though they would go eat there.

00:50:51.000 And then after he died, she went back and told the owner, hey, by the way, that was your son.

00:50:58.000 All I was thinking about was what a terrible job Ashton Kutcher did in that film.

00:51:01.000 That was just awful.

00:51:03.000 I listened to very little of what you just said, Chael.

00:51:06.000 I have ADD too, man, and I respect it when somebody could admit it, so no problem there.

00:51:13.000 Have you ever taken medication for ADD? Yes, I took something called Concerta, which is time-released Ritalin, and if I would have had that in college, I would be a lawyer right now, for sure.

00:51:26.000 It worked.

00:51:27.000 I discovered it years too late.

00:51:29.000 But yeah, the new popular one that the kids use is Adderall, which as I understand is basically the same thing.

00:51:35.000 I've never tried it.

00:51:36.000 I had conservative for a while.

00:51:37.000 No, it's not.

00:51:38.000 I know quite a bit about that.

00:51:40.000 There's Adderall.

00:51:40.000 It's basically amphetamines.

00:51:42.000 It'd be like speed, whereas Ritalin, those would be more similar to cocaine in that they more so affect dopamine reuptake as opposed to overall dopamine in the brain.

00:51:51.000 Yeah, that makes a big difference.

00:51:53.000 I was thinking about it because I remember you mentioned those substances quite a bit when you're talking about what are banned substances, but substances that are completely legal and, as a matter of fact, encouraged by physicians for many people.

00:52:05.000 I know Adderall is.

00:52:08.000 Ritalin would have to be on that list, right, with the state athletic commissions?

00:52:12.000 They're absolutely banned.

00:52:13.000 I've had teammates before.

00:52:17.000 Ryan Jensen comes to mind.

00:52:18.000 They canceled a fight of his.

00:52:19.000 He didn't test positive for it.

00:52:20.000 He disclosed it ahead of time, so they just canceled his fight, which was an upstanding move by the Oklahoma Commission.

00:52:26.000 Most commissions would take your license and ban you.

00:52:29.000 They said, hey, listen, you got this in your system.

00:52:31.000 Let's just not do the fight.

00:52:32.000 That way there's no violation.

00:52:34.000 Yeah, you know, they've changed the dialogue to performance-enhancing drug.

00:52:39.000 And if you take a step back and go, now wait a minute, that's a good thing.

00:52:42.000 Performance-enhancing?

00:52:43.000 That's a good thing.

00:52:44.000 The stuff we teach kids to stay off of is the stuff that brings you down, the stuff that will overdose you, kill you, alter your state of mind.

00:52:53.000 The FDA and the DEA all say this stuff is fair game.

00:52:58.000 Local law enforcement says it's fair game, but then you have an athletic commission that steps in and says no.

00:53:03.000 So you've got to follow that rule, but I do think it's a little underhanded that you say, wait a minute, I have to choose between my sport and my health at times?

00:53:11.000 There's times when I go to my doctor and I have to cross-reference that with an athletic commission that meets twice a year?

00:53:17.000 How do I even get an answer from you guys?

00:53:19.000 How do I not start this this regimen?

00:53:22.000 So, you know, there's some guys that have ended up in some trouble there and I felt bad for them.

00:53:26.000 And there's going to be some more guys.

00:53:28.000 The rules are are very sensitive to that.

00:53:31.000 And my encouragement to athletes would just simply be make sure you learn them.

00:53:35.000 Do you think we're going to see athletes shrinking quite a bit now as these more stringent rules and testing come in?

00:53:41.000 They'll definitely look different.

00:53:41.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:53:43.000 The look will change.

00:53:44.000 That's something that will happen right away.

00:53:48.000 And, you know, I guess it's for the best.

00:53:50.000 You know, I came from a different era.

00:53:52.000 The rules were different.

00:53:53.000 What we cared about the way that it was all a little bit different.

00:53:56.000 So my mindset is still kind of stuck back when I started on it.

00:54:00.000 But, yes, it will change the way guys look.

00:54:03.000 You're already seeing that.

00:54:05.000 Yeah, you absolutely are.

00:54:06.000 And what's funny is I find some of the most vocal opponents of steroids are the ones where I'm going...

00:54:13.000 You're the one who's...

00:54:14.000 And by the way, I'm not saying George St.

00:54:16.000 That man is a national treasure.

00:54:16.000 Pierre.

00:54:17.000 Don't even think about it.

00:54:18.000 But there are people out there, shall I say, in the middleweight division who protest too much.

00:54:24.000 I will tell you that that is part of that life.

00:54:27.000 If you ever live that life and you're taking it, part of that life is doing this, is pointing to everybody else.

00:54:35.000 What's the old expression?

00:54:36.000 When one finger points away, you've got three more pointed back at you.

00:54:39.000 It's a true story.

00:54:41.000 You're right.

00:54:42.000 Your suspicions are right. 0.50

00:54:43.000 It is part of that life.

00:54:44.000 It's a slimy thing, man. 0.98

00:54:46.000 It's a dirty, slimy thing.

00:54:47.000 If they can truly clean this sport up, all sport and...

00:54:52.000 It really will be for the best.

00:54:53.000 You're just going to have some growing pains in between.

00:55:15.000 But it's one of those things.

00:55:16.000 I mean, my dad talks about it.

00:55:17.000 My dad, he's 54 years old now.

00:55:20.000 He's still about 225.

00:55:22.000 And he knows people who are doing this stuff.

00:55:23.000 He's going, do you realize that if I were on this, I'm 240 and leaner by, let's say right now, What, July 30th?

00:55:31.000 I mean, the kind of, really, the severe steroids.

00:55:33.000 Not just talking about testosterone replacement therapy or bringing you to normal levels, but the kind of stuff that's abused, you know, or L4 levels.

00:55:41.000 It's so dramatic.

00:55:43.000 And, you know, in training with people, I'm obviously not a professional athlete.

00:55:45.000 I don't claim to be.

00:55:47.000 But you can see the difference where they come in and in two months you're rolling with someone and you're going like, okay, this is a very serious difference in a very short amount of time and I've trained my whole life.

00:55:58.000 I've maxed out my natural capacity and strength to the point where there's diminishing returns.

00:56:02.000 You might gain a few pounds on a squat over the next month or two and they just come in and they're superhuman.

00:56:08.000 It is such a big difference.

00:56:10.000 I just can't imagine being in a sport where some people aren't doing it and some people are.

00:56:14.000 That's been my experience, too, when you're talking specifically about steroids or anabolics, that yes, they all, no matter which one, they will put on size.

00:56:23.000 And not all medications do that, of course, but for steroids specifically, there's none I've ever read about, seen...

00:56:34.000 Known people that were never that that wasn't the very first thing it did.

00:56:38.000 Bigger.

00:56:39.000 And then you go from there.

00:56:40.000 Bigger, stronger, faster, hair loss, acne, whatever it is.

00:56:44.000 Bigger is always the very first thing when it comes to a steroid, from my experience.

00:56:48.000 Well, stronger.

00:56:49.000 Two, stronger is noticeably feeling that strength.

00:56:51.000 That is sick because we've had people come in and I'm going like, gosh.

00:56:54.000 And, you know, I mean, I think it's tempting for anyone at some point.

00:56:57.000 And I understand why fighters would do it.

00:56:58.000 I talk about that.

00:56:59.000 You know, I've talked about it with other people on here.

00:57:01.000 Militich, I'm like, listen, if your life depends on it and you think the other guy is, then it's a vicious cycle.

00:57:05.000 So I wonder how much they can do about it right now.

00:57:08.000 Anyway, sorry, we won't go on to that topic.

00:57:10.000 Okay, a little bit of drama here.

00:57:11.000 You went after Joe Rogan on Twitter.

00:57:13.000 What's the deal, Joe?

00:57:15.000 I went after Joe Rogan on Twitter.

00:57:16.000 Joe Rogan asked Cain Velasquez.

00:57:19.000 Joe's a very good friend.

00:57:20.000 He's also got a tremendous sense of humor and it was said in that way.

00:57:23.000 But he asked Cain Velasquez to repeat himself.

00:57:27.000 Cain, do you know how hard it is to do an interview after you fight?

00:57:31.000 Especially if you're Cain Velasquez.

00:57:31.000 It should be almost impossible.

00:57:33.000 Right.

00:57:33.000 I mean, if you went out there and you fought as hard as you can, which is what a fight is, you don't have any oxygen left.

00:57:40.000 And Kane had given an answer.

00:57:42.000 And Kane's not a great interview to start with.

00:57:44.000 And Joe asked him, will you repeat that?

00:57:46.000 So I gave Joe a hard time about asking Kane to repeat that.

00:57:51.000 It's like, hey Joe, there's a reason you can't understand him.

00:57:54.000 It's because he's exhausted and just got beat up.

00:57:56.000 At some point during a show, you've got to fade to black and roll the credits, man.

00:58:00.000 The talent just needs to get in the back, lay down, and recover.

00:58:04.000 Or I should have asked Fabricio because he speaks Spanish a hell of a lot better than Cain Velasquez.

00:58:09.000 That's a tough dude right there, man.

00:58:11.000 Fabricio Verdum, I did not know he was as good as he is.

00:58:14.000 Were you surprised with the result of that fight?

00:58:16.000 I was shocked.

00:58:17.000 I was absolutely shocked.

00:58:19.000 I did not think Verdum could hold up against Cain.

00:58:22.000 And not only did he hold up, he broke Cain mentally.

00:58:25.000 Yeah, that submission was there, but if it wasn't a guillotine, it would have been an armbar.

00:58:29.000 Kane was just ready to be done.

00:58:31.000 There was a hundred different things you could have finished that fight with at that point.

00:58:35.000 That's the whole point of fighting, is making the other guy quit.

00:58:39.000 It's not to land a jab and land a kick.

00:58:41.000 It's your will against his, and Kane always wins that battle.

00:58:47.000 A hundred percent of the time in his career, until last Saturday, he has won that battle.

00:58:52.000 And Verdum doesn't always win it.

00:58:54.000 So it was really a big surprise to see Verdum outpush Kane.

00:59:00.000 Let me ask you this.

00:59:02.000 I'm trying to think here real quick.

00:59:05.000 Verdum, do you think there's a point that that can really happen with athletes where they just turn a corner and they get into a rhythm where they can literally become an entirely different athlete than they were, say, three or four years?

00:59:19.000 Or do you believe you tend to be the same throughout your career?

00:59:23.000 No, there is a day where the switch flips, for sure.

00:59:28.000 Usually it happens around 15 or 16 years old.

00:59:32.000 Every now and then a guy will get a resurgence in college.

00:59:36.000 More and more we're seeing guys in the latter part of their career.

00:59:40.000 We just saw Daniel Cormier win a world title.

00:59:42.000 Robbie Lawler is the fighter of the year without question.

00:59:47.000 I think he's over 35 years of age, maybe closer to 36 or 37.

00:59:52.000 So we're seeing that Verdum's either 37 or 37.

00:59:55.000 We're seeing some of these guys, yeah, flip that switch a little bit later.

00:59:59.000 Randy Couture didn't even start the sport until 36.

01:00:02.000 It's very rare.

01:00:03.000 You know, that handful of people I just threw out is probably about it.

01:00:06.000 But that is the way it works.

01:00:08.000 One day, you just wake up and you can play.

01:00:11.000 To get there, you have to put all the work in.

01:00:13.000 You have to sacrifice and dedicate and do all that.

01:00:16.000 But one day, you will just wake up and be able to score more points than the other guy.

01:00:21.000 It just happens that way.

01:00:22.000 It just happens.

01:00:23.000 And it happens overnight.

01:00:25.000 Do you think with Verdum now...

01:00:26.000 I mean, listen, I don't think there's...

01:00:28.000 What is the most amount of heavyweight title defenses?

01:00:30.000 Is it two?

01:00:31.000 Actually, two consecutively?

01:00:32.000 That's like the curse, right?

01:00:33.000 Two consecutive, and I think Randy Couture is the guy that did that.

01:00:36.000 The Randy Couture that did that.

01:00:38.000 Well, didn't Tim Sylvia?

01:00:39.000 Or no, he won it.

01:00:40.000 He may have also done it.

01:00:42.000 I just know that Randy has that record.

01:00:45.000 Now, somebody may have it along with him, but I know that Randy does have it.

01:00:48.000 Sylvia did do it.

01:00:49.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:00:50.000 He won it from Arlovsky, rematched Arlovsky, and then Jeff Munson, if I'm not mistaken.

01:00:55.000 Could be, wouldn't disagree, don't know.

01:00:58.000 Okay, fine.

01:00:59.000 You could ask Pat.

01:01:01.000 I have a story about rolling with Tim Sylvia, and not a fun one.

01:01:04.000 I've also had that experience, and you're right.

01:01:08.000 It is not. 0.97

01:01:09.000 Tim Sylvie is a monster. 0.92

01:01:10.000 I didn't mean in that realm. 0.97

01:01:12.000 I meant something else.

01:01:14.000 Well, Pat can tell you that story.

01:01:16.000 We can have you all on and have a round table.

01:01:18.000 He was actually a very nice guy.

01:01:19.000 I know a lot of people have had run-ins with him, but I think I told you about the accent problem.

01:01:23.000 I didn't understand him, and he got mad at me.

01:01:23.000 Did I ever tell you that?

01:01:26.000 Were you born in a barn? 0.97

01:01:27.000 I was like, what the hell are you talking about? 0.89

01:01:29.000 I think that's Maryland. 0.61

01:01:30.000 I think that's an East Coast Maryland accent.

01:01:32.000 Maine.

01:01:33.000 It's from Maine, yeah.

01:01:33.000 Maine.

01:01:34.000 Do you think there's a case to be made with Verdum now being one of the best top two or three heavyweights ever?

01:01:40.000 I mean, submitted Fedor, Noguera, now submitted Kane.

01:01:44.000 Some people are saying you could argue probably one of the most decorated heavyweights ever.

01:01:50.000 It's interesting.

01:01:51.000 You know, Fedor's a tough one.

01:01:53.000 Fedor fought in Japan, which is highly questionable, to say the least.

01:01:57.000 He came to America where there's commissions.

01:02:01.000 He went 3-3.

01:02:02.000 And one of those losses was to Dan Henderson, who's tougher than hell, but he is a middleweight.

01:02:07.000 He's two weight classes below him.

01:02:08.000 So the bottom line, Fedor's 3-3.

01:02:11.000 That's not to discredit him, but that's all the credit he gets.

01:02:15.000 He's 3-3 in sanctioned fights.

01:02:17.000 That's just his record.

01:02:18.000 So, no, I don't think so.

01:02:20.000 The other problem Verdum has is there's two guys on the roster right now that have beat him.

01:02:26.000 He's lost to Overeem, who's still under contract.

01:02:28.000 He's lost to Junior Dos Santos, who's still under contract.

01:02:30.000 This isn't as though he's kicked the can down the road and outperformed his competition, and they're all long gone.

01:02:36.000 These guys are still sitting there.

01:02:39.000 But Verdum is a very special talent.

01:02:41.000 He's had a major resurgence.

01:02:43.000 He's an incredible fighter.

01:02:45.000 He's just got a little bit more work to do.

01:02:47.000 It's looking as though he's in a good position to get that work done.

01:02:51.000 But no, we have set short-term memories in the fight game.

01:02:54.000 Every time a guy fights, he's the greatest of all time.

01:02:57.000 Every time Jon Jones fights, there's people that think he's going to lose.

01:03:01.000 And then as soon as he wins, we go, okay, nobody will ever be.

01:03:04.000 I'll never question Jon Jones again.

01:03:06.000 And five months later, we're all going, I think he could lose this fight.

01:03:09.000 So it's short-term memories, man.

01:03:12.000 But no, as of right now, Verdum is not even in the conversation for greatest of all time.

01:03:18.000 Okay, well you kind of gave a little bit of a political answer and then you just stated affirmatively, no, so I appreciate that.

01:03:23.000 The whole thing's a debate though.

01:03:25.000 You have to give a political answer because there is no pound for pound.

01:03:27.000 People want to sit around and talk about their pound for pound.

01:03:30.000 It doesn't exist.

01:03:31.000 You want to figure it out.

01:03:32.000 Let's get in the cage. 0.99

01:03:33.000 A few of us will enter it regardless of weight class and we can just figure this damn thing out. 0.95

01:03:37.000 But all these guys that want to be pound for pound, none of them want to actually step up in a tournament and let's just all fight and figure it out. 0.88

01:03:43.000 So it is a political answer.

01:03:45.000 You want to go round and around in circles?

01:03:46.000 We're still never going to know. 1.00

01:03:48.000 The bottom line is John Jones will show up and kick his ass right now. 1.00

01:03:51.000 John Jones is, yeah, he'd kick his ass. 1.00

01:03:51.000 Verdoom? 1.00

01:03:53.000 It wouldn't even be a problem. 1.00

01:03:54.000 Daniel Cormier would go up and kick his ass. 1.00

01:03:57.000 It's the heavyweight class. 1.00

01:03:58.000 He's a tough guy.

01:03:59.000 It's a wimpy weight class.

01:04:00.000 It always has been.

01:04:01.000 If you're a good athlete and you're heavyweight, you go into the NFL. You don't go into cage fighting.

01:04:06.000 The weight class sucks and I don't have respect for it. 0.95

01:04:08.000 So there, you want the real answer? 0.99

01:04:10.000 You just got mad at me.

01:04:10.000 You just got it.

01:04:12.000 I am mad.

01:04:13.000 I'm mad about pound for pound.

01:04:15.000 It's not you.

01:04:16.000 It is infuriating to have people sit around and talk about pound for pound.

01:04:21.000 I guess you didn't say pound for pound.

01:04:22.000 You said, is he the greatest of all time? 0.99

01:04:24.000 Ass. 0.98

01:04:24.000 There's no way to prove it. 0.98

01:04:27.000 In my opinion, and I'm an expert on this. 1.00

01:04:29.000 You're a jerk. 1.00

01:04:29.000 In my opinion, Sugar Ray Leonard kicks Floyd Mayweather's butt. 1.00

01:04:35.000 In my opinion, back when boxing was real and people actually boxed, You know what you are? 1.00

01:04:59.000 You're a jerk. 1.00

01:05:00.000 That was very rude of you. 1.00

01:05:02.000 You're a jerk. 1.00

01:05:03.000 Wasn't rude of me. 1.00

01:05:04.000 That was good TV. You'll thank me later.

01:05:06.000 Louder with Crowder.

01:05:07.000 Check him out on Twitter, everybody.

01:05:08.000 Do you remember that, though?

01:05:10.000 Buy a t-shirt.

01:05:10.000 Tom Cruise when he got squirted?

01:05:11.000 Shalesunded.com.

01:05:12.000 Shalesunded.com.

01:05:13.000 Do you remember when Tom Cruise did that with the reporter who squirted the water on him?

01:05:18.000 He's like, hey, hey, now why would you do that? 1.00

01:05:21.000 You're a jerk. 1.00

01:05:22.000 That's what you... 1.00

01:05:23.000 No, I don't remember that. 1.00

01:05:24.000 You're a big jerk. 1.00

01:05:25.000 I remember the Christian Bale moment, and I'll tell you this. 1.00

01:05:28.000 I'm on Christian Bale's side of that.

01:05:30.000 I understand it.

01:05:31.000 I think Christian Bale was right.

01:05:32.000 Do I come out of your set and tear your lights down?

01:05:32.000 Yeah.

01:05:35.000 You know what the funniest part is in that?

01:05:37.000 I don't know about you.

01:05:38.000 This is what I find is the funniest part.

01:05:39.000 Because it's all audio, right?

01:05:40.000 So it's the theater of the mind.

01:05:42.000 And that's what this is, you know, in radio.

01:05:43.000 I have a connection to radio in that sense.

01:05:45.000 He's sitting there and he's yelling at the guy, right?

01:05:48.000 So he's just in his tirade.

01:05:49.000 And everyone thinks that's the funny part.

01:05:51.000 It's not the funny part. 0.95

01:05:53.000 And Jared, gay Jared will have to bleep this. 1.00

01:05:55.000 And he goes, at one point he goes, Do I go there and tear down your f***ing lights? 0.99

01:06:00.000 Answer me! 0.97

01:06:01.000 There's a stop. 1.00

01:06:03.000 And then you hear, I wanna kick your f***ing ass! 1.00

01:06:06.000 And he goes, and you hear him shuffling! 1.00

01:06:09.000 So you know the guy just gave him a look.

01:06:11.000 Answer me! 1.00

01:06:13.000 I wanna kick your f***ing ass! 1.00

01:06:15.000 And you hear people grabbing him. 1.00

01:06:17.000 Have you heard the whole audio?

01:06:20.000 I've heard the whole thing, but I didn't know it almost turned violent.

01:06:22.000 I remember when the guy started firing back at him.

01:06:25.000 Eventually the guy had enough, and the guy's ego, his ego kicked in too.

01:06:29.000 I just thought it was so funny because it's like there's a moment where you know it went from verbal to we have a problem on our hands.

01:06:29.000 And he, you know...

01:06:38.000 We've got a guy, Christian Bale, who couldn't do a push-up when he did The Machinist before this.

01:06:42.000 He has every single anabolic steroid known to men cycling through his veins so he can be believable in this role, and a key grip just pissed him off.

01:06:51.000 We have some problems.

01:06:53.000 You've heard the Mel Gibson tapes?

01:06:55.000 Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.

01:06:57.000 The best part of that...

01:06:59.000 Jared and I talk about, we quote it all the time, where he's yelling the most obscene things, right?

01:07:04.000 The most profane things. 0.88

01:07:05.000 And by the way, he may be a horrible racist and anti-Semite, but you know, the fact is, when you were furious and livid, you were just saying whatever you can to hurt someone. 0.97

01:07:13.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:07:14.000 If it's a black person, you're going to say whatever you can to hurt that person. 1.00

01:07:16.000 Some people who have rage problems. 0.98

01:07:18.000 Or if it's your wife, you know, just like a teenager saying, I hate you, you know, to your parents.

01:07:22.000 You don't mean it.

01:07:23.000 And I think there was some of that there, and I think there was a guy who was pushed.

01:07:26.000 Not excusing him, just to be clear.

01:07:28.000 Not excusing any of it.

01:07:29.000 But at one point, he's yelling, and he's cussing, and he goes, You have no soul! 0.98

01:07:34.000 You have no effing soul! 0.98

01:07:36.000 And he stops. 0.91

01:07:37.000 But I will give you one more chance.

01:07:42.000 Because you know he wants to salvage it.

01:07:48.000 I don't remember that, but you are right about that.

01:07:51.000 That's another thing.

01:07:53.000 That's a new thing in America to go around and start labeling somebody a racist.

01:07:57.000 Hold on a second.

01:08:00.000 If a guy is a racist, he'll let you know.

01:08:02.000 You don't get to tell him.

01:08:03.000 He'll let you know.

01:08:05.000 But that doesn't mean he didn't make some insensitive comments.

01:08:08.000 I remember when Kramer went through – I keep referencing Seinfeld.

01:08:10.000 Do you remember when Michael Richards played Kramer, went through that?

01:08:13.000 Well, I can tell you some insight there.

01:08:14.000 My mom was this wardrobe stylist at the Just for Laughs and he would throw up before he went on stage. 0.99

01:08:18.000 He's not a stage actor.

01:08:19.000 He wasn't comfortable with it to begin with.

01:08:20.000 And he's also a terrible comedian.

01:08:22.000 He's not funny.

01:08:23.000 He was at a comedy club.

01:08:24.000 He was coked out of his mind.

01:08:26.000 And he got offended.

01:08:28.000 And he tried to hurt the guy's feelings.

01:08:29.000 And if he would have just come back and said that and said, listen, I'm not a very good comic.

01:08:34.000 I was very uncomfortable.

01:08:35.000 You embarrassed me and I tried to hurt your feelings.

01:08:37.000 If he would have just been that open, it would have gone away.

01:08:41.000 And it was the truth.

01:08:42.000 You know, the truth will always set you free in those spots.

01:08:44.000 But instead, he goes around and around and he's still off TV to this day.

01:08:49.000 What are we saying?

01:08:50.000 We talked about this recently.

01:08:52.000 We talked about the difference between anger as opposed to alcohol.

01:08:55.000 Alcohol kind of acts as a truth serum in a lot of ways, but anger is not quite the same.

01:09:00.000 You don't always speak the truth of how you feel when you're angry.

01:09:03.000 You just speak...

01:09:04.000 Just hurtful things.

01:09:05.000 Just hurtful things.

01:09:05.000 The most hurtful things is generally what comes out, not necessarily a reflection of who you are.

01:09:10.000 Yeah, it's like you don't drink and then just start hating the blacks.

01:09:13.000 It doesn't happen.

01:09:15.000 How many Samuel Adams did you have?

01:09:17.000 If you're pissed, you're going to say some things that end up on some magazine tomorrow.

01:09:22.000 Oh yeah, absolutely.

01:09:24.000 My wife, when she got really mad one time... 0.91

01:09:26.000 You're off.

01:09:28.000 My wife, when she got really mad one time, she just said something because she knew it would flip my lid because I always try to be very chivalrous and open the door for her or something.

01:09:35.000 And she knew she was wrong in the argument.

01:09:37.000 Bill Burr talks about this. 0.86

01:09:38.000 And so she just said, like, you are a sexist! 0.92

01:09:42.000 And just...

01:09:43.000 You know, my head just exploded and she just knew it was what would throw me off the wall upset because it's completely untrue.

01:09:51.000 And she was like, I bend over backwards.

01:09:52.000 And then afterwards she was like, I'm sorry.

01:09:54.000 You wouldn't shut up.

01:09:55.000 And you probably have this problem with your wife. 0.67

01:09:57.000 You know, you're very vocal.

01:09:58.000 You're very verbal.

01:09:58.000 And that can intimidate a woman.

01:09:59.000 She's like, I just needed to say something that I knew would upset you to get you to hear me.

01:10:04.000 And it worked.

01:10:06.000 It worked.

01:10:07.000 Kramer, though, what I thought was so funny about that is what's even worse, Chael, Like, you just got pissed at me, and, you know, you stuck the landing.

01:10:15.000 He tried to feather it out, which makes it worse, where he said these horrible racist things, and then the crowd, and he's just sitting there like, this shocks you.

01:10:23.000 This shocks you.

01:10:25.000 And it just makes it so much more uncomfortable.

01:10:26.000 Leave! 0.99

01:10:27.000 Just get off the stage.

01:10:28.000 Just go.

01:10:29.000 Oh, there were so many ways to repair it right there.

01:10:31.000 If you're on stage as a comedian, there's nothing off limits.

01:10:36.000 And that's widely accepted.

01:10:37.000 Same thing with movie and TV. You can go play these different parts and we all just kind of accept it.

01:10:42.000 Now, there is a rule in comedy that you can do it as long as it's funny.

01:10:46.000 However, it would have just been, hey, a joke went bad.

01:10:49.000 He stayed with it.

01:10:50.000 He stayed with it.

01:10:51.000 He went on his repair tour the next night and made things worse.

01:10:54.000 He should have told the truth.

01:10:55.000 Listen, man, he didn't have to admit he was coked up. 0.86

01:10:58.000 He could have left that out, but he should have said, I'm a crappy comic.

01:11:02.000 I was down there working for free on an open mic trying to restore my career.

01:11:06.000 I was very self-cautious about it, which is why I did the blow in the back.

01:11:10.000 The guy hurt my feelings, and I tried to hurt his.

01:11:13.000 The end.

01:11:14.000 That's a good point.

01:11:15.000 Have you seen Jerry Seinfeld talking about comedy recently?

01:11:17.000 That he won't do colleges because they're too PC? No, I didn't know that.

01:11:21.000 Oh, go to ladderwithcrowder.com.

01:11:23.000 Seriously, we actually do news and we covered it twice before anyone else was covering it.

01:11:27.000 And he said, you know, it was actually very funny if you watched the clip.

01:11:30.000 He says, you know, the thing is you can just get a feel from the audience when you say something.

01:11:34.000 I had this bit about everyone talking.

01:11:35.000 You know, they all have their iPad because they're so important. 0.74

01:11:38.000 And my bit was, oh yeah, you can tell by the way you scroll like a gay French king. 0.94

01:11:42.000 And you could see the audience. 0.97

01:11:45.000 What do you mean gay?

01:11:46.000 What does he mean gay?

01:11:47.000 What are you trying to say gay? 0.99

01:11:49.000 Like it offended gay French kinks. 1.00

01:11:50.000 And there was a rebuttal issued by a guy at Huffington Post as to why comedy can only touch on sociological issues if it's culturally sensitive. 0.71

01:11:58.000 And the endgame was basically this liberal at HuffPo was saying, you can only do social commentary in your comedy if you agree with me.

01:12:04.000 So even Seinfeld has come out now and said comedy is not the realm of free speech like it used to be.

01:12:09.000 That is shutting down.

01:12:11.000 I mean, I've been banned from colleges.

01:12:12.000 I think we talked about this for Mohammed jokes. 0.76

01:12:15.000 Wow.

01:12:16.000 No, I didn't know that.

01:12:18.000 You've been thrown out of better places than that, though, Stephen.

01:12:22.000 You really have.

01:12:24.000 I think your house.

01:12:25.000 I think you threw me out of your house.

01:12:26.000 What was that place we went where we had food and you said the joke was the service is so bad.

01:12:31.000 You were like, you have to go here.

01:12:32.000 But it wasn't.

01:12:33.000 The waitress was very sweet. 0.84

01:12:35.000 Yes, McMinivans.

01:12:36.000 No, it's terrible food and terrible service and they've been around forever.

01:12:40.000 I really do believe that's like their gimmick.

01:12:42.000 They are... 0.99

01:12:44.000 Awful.

01:12:44.000 Their prices are fair, but the service and the food is lousy, but they should almost put it on their menu.

01:12:49.000 My wife believes it too.

01:12:51.000 We really think, truly, that it's part of their gimmick.

01:12:53.000 It's that bad.

01:12:55.000 Do you still tip really well if they're that bad?

01:12:57.000 Oh no, you still tip.

01:12:59.000 I mean, I don't know why anyone goes.

01:13:01.000 It's terrible. 0.99

01:13:02.000 They're rude to you and the food sucks. 0.98

01:13:05.000 And it's one of the longest standing restaurants in my community. 0.98

01:13:07.000 And you took me there first.

01:13:09.000 Yeah, McMiniman's Pub.

01:13:10.000 We don't have a whole lot of choices out here in West.

01:13:13.000 We don't have a population of 39,000, but yeah, man, McMiniman's Pub. 0.96

01:13:16.000 Garbage. 0.96

01:13:17.000 You're going to be a fun dad. 1.00

01:13:18.000 You know why? 1.00

01:13:19.000 Garbage. 1.00

01:13:19.000 Eat there now. 1.00

01:13:20.000 I'll see you down there.

01:13:21.000 I'll let you go, but you probably don't remember this.

01:13:24.000 I have weird memories for things.

01:13:25.000 First off, I remember a hilarious story.

01:13:27.000 You were there with, gosh, I forgot your grappling coach, the triangle guy, huge guy.

01:13:32.000 Neil, you had a hilarious story about Jeff Munson that I'm sure you probably can't tell.

01:13:37.000 I have a ton on Jeff Martin.

01:13:39.000 Jeff Martin is about to get Russian citizenship.

01:13:42.000 Did you see this?

01:13:43.000 I'm not kidding.

01:13:44.000 Yeah, you know, it's one of those things where people are like, well, would you say it to his face? 1.00

01:13:48.000 The guy's a dumbass. 1.00

01:13:49.000 The guy has no idea what he's talking about. 1.00

01:13:51.000 He claims to be a socialist, anarchist, and he claims that they're not opposed to each other.

01:13:55.000 And they're like, would you say it to his face?

01:13:57.000 You want to talk about steroids? 0.92

01:13:58.000 Okay, if I get on the cycle that Jeff Munson has been on, he walks around about 240, I guarantee you if I take those chemicals, I'm not saying he wouldn't beat the crap out of me.

01:14:06.000 He absolutely would.

01:14:07.000 I'm 255, probably with 4% lower body fat.

01:14:11.000 I know people who train with Jeff Munson on a regular basis.

01:14:14.000 Let's not act here.

01:14:15.000 You just look that way.

01:14:16.000 It's just hard work. 1.00

01:14:18.000 Yeah, and I'll tell you, and Jeff Munson would not kick your ass. 1.00

01:14:21.000 He's open to debate. 0.99

01:14:22.000 He's got his own views, but he does not shun people that don't agree with him, which is most of the free world.

01:14:28.000 All of America and most of the free world.

01:14:31.000 Except in Russia.

01:14:32.000 But he's a very reasonable and calm guy.

01:14:34.000 He does...

01:14:36.000 He's got this whatever going on, and he truly is going to Russia.

01:14:40.000 He's going to become a citizen, I assume, and live there. 1.00

01:14:42.000 But no, he would not lash out and kick your ass. 0.99

01:14:46.000 If you ever see him and you want to debate him, it would be no problem. 1.00

01:14:49.000 A very calm guy. 0.98

01:14:50.000 I wouldn't call him a dumbass. 0.98

01:14:52.000 I'll just say that here. 0.98

01:14:54.000 I remember this, and I will leave you with this.

01:14:56.000 We were driving in your car with Neil, and you were telling us Jeff Munster.

01:14:59.000 I wasn't talking that much, because I didn't know you very well.

01:14:59.000 It was a little uncomfortable.

01:15:02.000 And you were going...

01:15:05.000 So, Stephen, are you hungry?

01:15:07.000 You want anything?

01:15:09.000 It was like that moment of Young Frankenstein.

01:15:10.000 I said, no, you know, I'm good.

01:15:11.000 He said, you sure?

01:15:12.000 We got a Five Guys.

01:15:13.000 We got a McDonald's.

01:15:15.000 You know, it's new here.

01:15:16.000 I don't know how long it's been here, but, you know, everyone's really big on the Five Guys.

01:15:21.000 I'd rather go to McDonald's if it comes down to it.

01:15:24.000 You sure you don't want anything?

01:15:25.000 And I said, no, no, I'm good.

01:15:26.000 And then we were still driving, and you go...

01:15:30.000 Milkshake?

01:15:31.000 I don't know why.

01:15:31.000 Anything?

01:15:33.000 It was like the Young Frankenstein.

01:15:35.000 Ovaltine?

01:15:36.000 Nothing!

01:15:36.000 But you were trying to be a good one.

01:15:37.000 I thought you should have something.

01:15:39.000 It had been a long day.

01:15:40.000 I wanted to make sure that you had food.

01:15:42.000 I didn't want you to not eat because, you know, you were still, like, feeling out the area.

01:15:46.000 That was very nice of you, but I remember that.

01:15:48.000 I remember there was a pause and, milkshake?

01:15:50.000 You want a shake?

01:15:51.000 And I was like, I don't even know.

01:15:52.000 McDonald's still makes milkshakes.

01:15:54.000 But you're a milkshake guy.

01:15:56.000 I could go for one right now.

01:15:58.000 Good for you.

01:15:58.000 We'll let you go do that.

01:15:59.000 So, your call.

01:16:00.000 Who wins the Republican primary since you were Mr.

01:16:02.000 Politics?

01:16:03.000 Donald Trump.

01:16:04.000 Donald Trump if he stays in it.

01:16:06.000 Yeah, and I could be embarrassed on this.

01:16:08.000 I admit that I am every four years and he pulls out.

01:16:10.000 That may be the case too.

01:16:11.000 He's got to submit all of his paperwork in the next 30 days.

01:16:13.000 We'll see if he does it.

01:16:16.000 I'm clinging to this.

01:16:17.000 I think that he will win if he runs.

01:16:18.000 If he doesn't, this is a two-man race.

01:16:21.000 It's between Jeb Bush and Rand Paul.

01:16:24.000 Really?

01:16:25.000 Yeah.

01:16:26.000 All right.

01:16:27.000 Well, thank you, Shale.

01:16:28.000 I'm sorry to have taken you so off course, and hopefully we'll still get you back.

01:16:33.000 I love it.

01:16:34.000 I love it.

01:16:34.000 Take me off course.

01:16:35.000 There's no course.

01:16:36.000 This is the internet.

01:16:37.000 We do whatever we want.

01:16:38.000 Louder with Crowder.

01:16:39.000 Yeah, actually.

01:16:40.000 Show me yourself a t-shirt.

01:16:40.000 Shalesunded.com.

01:16:43.000 Oh, and Stephen, an interview with us would be remiss if I did not include one thing.

01:16:47.000 No, no.

01:16:48.000 Well, hold on.

01:16:49.000 I'm the one who gets to sign off here.

01:16:50.000 Kaboom.

01:16:51.000 Ugh.

01:16:53.000 Hey, if you like this interview with Chael, there's something wrong with you, but you can subscribe by clicking my face or watch some of these other good interviews or just funny short videos to my left.

01:17:05.000 If you don't want to, you know, we can't force you to.

01:17:08.000 But I'm a pretty big guy, and Chael is a professional fighter.

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