Chael P. Sunnen is a stand-up comedian, podcaster, and podcaster. He is also the owner of a clothing line, Chael P Sunnen, which includes a new line of T-shirts.
00:02:42.000I'm wondering, I mean, you would think wherever there's a Jewish population, there would be some kind of a hospital that provides that service.
00:02:49.000So I'm not saying you actually have to get a Jew to perform the service, but I'm saying I wonder if there's just such a minute portion of the population.
00:02:55.000The hospital is like, hey, we're not going to choose.
00:03:33.000I have a podcast, and it seems like part of the business model of any podcast is that you have to sell t-shirts that go along with the podcast.
00:03:48.000You know that I've always liked Donald Trump, and I've actually grown a little tired of Donald Trump, politically speaking, because every four years he comes out with the same shtick.
00:03:58.000The only difference this time is instead of saying, I'm thinking about running, I might run, I'd be really great if I did, he's actually saying, no, I'm in.
00:04:46.000Herman Cain, actually, there was some evidence that came out, I don't know if you saw that, later on down the trail, where it seemed like he might have been in the right, because he came out with it, but it was after the presidential run.
00:04:55.000I think he just didn't want to put his wife through at that time.
00:04:57.000With Trump, we just had an article up at, you've got to be going to the site, ladderwithcrader.com, and for those listening right now, we will have a super extended interview with Chael afterward, where it's exclusive.
00:05:06.000We posted some things about Donald Trump that you may not know.
00:05:09.000So, here's my thing with Donald Trump.
00:05:36.000Oh, he switched political parties five times since 88, three times since 2001, and he's He's given significantly more to Democrats than Republicans in his political career.
00:05:48.000And he also supported gun control, abortion, and socialized health care.
00:06:33.000I mean, I'm not only a Republican, I'm a conservative.
00:06:36.000But if you want to get down to it, I'm a Democrat from the 1960s.
00:06:40.000I mean, today's Democrats try to claim John F. Kennedy all the time.
00:06:44.000John F. Kennedy was a Democrat, not a liberal.
00:06:47.000The Democratic Party died 50 years ago.
00:06:52.000Now you just have liberals, and John F. Kennedy was not what a Hillary Clinton or a Barack Obama, no matter how much they want to try to claim him, he was not one of them.
00:07:02.000You know, he wasn't, but I bet you if he were still around today, he would have evolved into one of them.
00:07:07.000I don't think you can be a part of the Democratic platform and not become Ted Kennedy.
00:07:22.000Well, listen, I agree with you that someone, when presented with new evidence, Should be able to change their mind.
00:07:27.000But again, if you look at his record, it's mainly due to political expediency.
00:07:32.000I mean, he's going to go after Hillary Clinton now, and now he's criticizing the Clinton Foundation when he's given to them overwhelmingly and consistently.
00:07:38.000You know, I'm not talking about a one-time thing where, oh, I made a mistake.
00:07:43.000You know, you're for gun control until you're against gun control.
00:07:47.000And for me, on important issues, and I said this with Mitt Romney, Chael.
00:07:51.000You need to tell me – there's something we call the flash of genius moment if someone actually claims like some kind of infringement on a trademark for an invention.
00:07:58.000It's a great film actually with Greg Kinnear, the guy who invented the intermittent wiper.
00:08:02.000I don't know if you've seen that film.
00:08:03.000But it's an actual legal term where they find that when people have – they create an invention.
00:08:09.000Almost invariably, there's a moment where someone came up with an idea to the point that in a court they go, how did you come up with this idea?
00:08:14.000And someone can go, well, with the intermittent wiper, I thought, why can't a wiper work like someone's eye blinks?
00:08:21.000It's not just blinking at a same set pace like wipers were doing, but blink, pause, blink.
00:08:56.000As far as who we donated to, man, I know a lot of big business guys that are straight-up Republicans and they just have to give to the other side.
00:10:17.000But I've heard of some teachers who, you know, have the rape problem and the kid, you know, it still happens.
00:10:20.000So, what I'm saying here is that you've not, don't act like you've never heard of the 11 or the 12 year old kid who just, the teacher takes advantage of them.
00:11:45.000I just think people might gravitate to him, similar as they did to Arnold Schwarzenegger, who was a disastrous governor, but he was very popular and people liked to get behind him.
00:11:55.000That's a little bit of my excitement towards Trump.
00:11:58.000Anybody that's underestimated Hillary, there's no way they mean that.
00:12:01.000They either don't follow what they're talking about or they just like to say that as a way to hurt her.
00:13:53.000Severe hormone replacement therapy, amputating testicles and penis, keeping some skin to invert it and create a fake vagina, which then has to be reopened regularly as a wound so that it doesn't close itself, along with learning the lisp and the psychiatric counseling.
00:14:06.000And what does it look, what does this person look like?
00:14:33.000It doesn't matter what my eyes tell me.
00:14:35.000You may look at her, and when I looked at her too, even now, and she's the number one story in news, I'm looking at her going, okay, maybe an eighth or a quarter, I don't see it, but if you say so, it's one of those type deals.
00:16:16.000Yeah, and you know, they seem like reasonable people.
00:16:20.000Again, I'm watching a little four-minute clip here, but one of the things that had happened is she has come out publicly and identified another man as her father, who's a black man, and her dad wasn't some kind of a deadbeat.
00:16:32.000Her parents are still together, nuclear family.
00:16:34.000I think she's got some brothers and sisters in there.
00:18:40.000The differences between people, as far as races, are generally pretty cosmetic.
00:18:45.000And you're going to get some racists now, and you're going to get some idiots like that.
00:18:51.000Generally speaking, I believe that a black mommy can do anything a white mommy can do.
00:18:55.000I don't believe a woman who sutured up her vagina and said, let me put on something that I bought down at the sex shop here in its place can do everything a daddy can do.
00:19:06.000I generally believe that if you're going to talk about something being a societal construct, race would be much more a product of that or certainly the culture of specific races than one's actual sex.
00:20:42.000Yeah, it's weird, but I will say that I do think the ultimate complete elimination of gender lines of biology, I mean, that's a construct of third-wave feminism.
00:20:52.000And generally speaking, it was initially aimed at destroying masculinity, what they believed to be patriarchy.
00:20:59.000And now we're at a point where it's sort of a dichotomy of the left because they've had to be accepting of everyone to increase their ranks.
00:21:05.000And you have feminists going, well, hold on a second.
00:21:06.000You've benefited from patriarchy your whole life.
00:21:09.000And now you're going to have a cosmetic procedure flip and benefit from being a protected class, either a woman or, in this case, being black.
00:21:18.000Yeah, like you said, play with the hand that you're dealt.
00:21:21.000Now kids want to play with the nether regions that somebody else was dealt.
00:25:41.000I know you said you would have taken it if you had it, but don't you think that affected that outcome there?
00:25:44.000I mean, that must have been very frustrating to you going, oh, I'm going to do this movement and you're not able to do it because someone is hooked onto your shorts like super glue.
00:25:56.000I still remember he grabbed my shorts and he threw a punch and I remember I still can see that hand coming across my face and I remember thinking, oh God, I'm glad that didn't land.
00:26:17.000And, you know, that is Anderson's move.
00:26:20.000When Anderson's in a fight that he feels he's not going to win, he will cheat for the reason being he doesn't view a disqualification as a loss.
00:26:28.000In fact, at the time of that fight, his previous loss, he had to go way back...
00:26:53.000Well, I mean, that changes the whole thing.
00:26:54.000You know, Stu Grimson was a friend of ours in hockey.
00:26:56.000hockey I think we talked about this a long time ago when you're on a show I was sub hosting and his whole thing was he was about 6'5", 245 which in the 90s was huge in hockey his thing was getting your jersey holding you out so you couldn't hit him and all he had to do was get the timing right where he pulled you in and threw that right and you know that's that's what creates that impact right is that locomotion two things going in the same direction and uh that was his move that's what he did so when I was that's an effective move it's An effective move!
00:27:41.000Why is MMA training, strength training, so crappy?
00:27:44.000Why do you guys allow so many charlatans into strength training in MMA? Guys putting on their gas masks and running in reverse on a treadmill.
00:28:52.000Secondly, as far as strength training goes, the more complicated you can talk, the more circles you can drive somebody in and just confuse them, the more likely you are to get the job.
00:29:04.000MMA fighters love it when a trainer comes in and starts talking about biomechanics and physiology and becoming a better athlete and short twitch muscles.
00:29:17.000same scam going on with diets all the way on the government level i mean they're banning trans fats now and we have trans fats because they wanted to ban saturated fats so we use hydrogenated vegetable oils which are higher in trans fats and they're like saturated fat wasn't bad for you i'm sorry it's the bs you you can't get two nutritionalists to agree you You can't do it.
00:29:36.000As far as nutrition goes, man, people do not understand it in the least.
00:29:52.000Burn more calories than you take in, you'll lose weight.
00:29:54.000Take in more calories than you burn, and you'll gain weight.
00:29:57.000It doesn't matter if you're eating saturated fats.
00:30:00.000It's all crap, but the more you can confuse people, the more likely you are to get somebody to just throw their hands up and go, okay, let's do it your way.
00:30:08.000You sound like you know what you're talking about.
00:30:13.000With strength training, people talk about A-level athletes, right?
00:30:17.000And that's the knock against UFC. Well, there's not enough money in it yet, so you don't get the A-level athletes.
00:30:21.000Well, the reason you have A-level athletes is because hockey, football, any of those sports that are contact sports, they all train the same way.
00:30:27.000Heavy compound lifts with periodized progression.
00:30:43.000I mean, when you're doing two-a-days and you're doing grappling, it's very hard in the body.
00:30:46.000You can't do a full-on powerlifting routine.
00:30:47.000And I ask this because I was just watching a video...
00:30:50.000Yesterday, I won't name names, but it's a guy who I'm sure you know who's a trainer who was actually teaching a guy who's pretty successful in USC in one of the lighter weight classes who's known for his knockout power.
00:30:59.000And he was actually saying in the video, we actually basically want to remove the legs from the equation.
00:31:05.000A lot of people think you drive with your hips into a punch.
00:31:08.000I actually want him to torque his spine and keep his feet flat.
00:32:23.000I mean, if I could take my kid, there's no recipe that if he follows the recipe exactly, he's going to come out with chocolate chip cookies.
00:32:51.000He said, this horse doesn't want to work.
00:32:53.000You wake him up in the morning, you walk him around the track, and when Saturday comes around, he'll beat everybody.
00:32:59.000And so my dad claimed him, and that horse won five straight races and then had a photo finish for second place and then won three more straight races, which set and still holds a record out here at Portland Meadows.
00:33:11.000The point is there are human athletes that are the same way.
00:35:37.000He just said he would have taken more drugs, and I think he went on.
00:35:39.000It was more so a commentary on the designer steroids that are available today.
00:35:43.000But you can't take an extreme example like John Jones.
00:35:47.000I had one guy when I was in crappling class, and I said, you know, guy was just – and the first thing, right, if you win, Shale, you know this, is if you're a pretty big guy, you're middleweight, but you walk around, what, 235?
00:35:57.000They say, gosh, you're really strong, as though it couldn't be technique.
00:37:24.000We have to actually have a rule there because if a guy throws a dress on and then attempts to go into the girls' locker room, we could have a real problem on our hands and you can't just tell the cops, yeah, that he's in there because this is how he identifies.
00:38:15.000Yeah, and the school board, you know, he got the union and everybody backed him and he's still in the school right now, but it was very complicated because it comes back to the most simplistic thing of which bathroom do we send him to?
00:38:26.000We can't send him in there with the girls if he's a guy.
00:38:30.000We can't send him in there with the guys with the girls.
00:38:59.000Nelson's Nautilus bought out by Gold's Gym.
00:39:02.000But for the guys, we all showered together.
00:39:05.000There was a huge shower with all these different ones and you just walked in and showered.
00:39:08.000Well, the problem that came over time was members that are over 18 years old are adults.
00:39:14.000Members under 18 years old are minors.
00:39:16.000So now you have adults and children showering together, which after you got these The pedophilia rage that went through this country, they had to do away with that.
00:39:26.000Now, every health club, you have your own shower.
00:39:29.000So I don't really know how the girls' locker room works, but you get my point.
00:39:32.000I like to imagine that it's all one big shower.
00:39:35.000Yeah, but a guy wants to throw on a dress, he can't just storm into the bathroom and then come out and go, well, this is how I felt today.
00:40:14.000I don't know if you saw the video where I dressed up as a woman and went to Planet Fitness.
00:40:19.000The reason that was acceptable was because there are people who, I mean, we had J.J. Marigafreda on the show, has a song about wanting to go to the bathroom.
00:41:58.000And I'm telling you, one year from now, man and woman, you're going to, your palms are going to sweat if you say it, and you're worried you're going to be fired and outcasted because you're such a bad person.
00:42:09.000I said that, yeah, I talked about that in September.
00:42:11.000I said, watch, you're going to have a moment where all of a sudden, all of the racist people who oppose Barack Obama in this country are going to become sexist people who oppose Hillary.
00:43:58.000I don't think it's a good way to live.
00:44:00.000And I think a person needs to be able to speak freely as long as their intent isn't to hurt somebody because you keep changing the damn rules on us.
00:44:09.000What I always find funny is as you're going through a point, because you tend to speak a lot, you always feel the need to be like, the point I'm getting at is...
00:44:17.000Sometimes you go in a few different directions.
00:44:20.000I'm talking about when I'm 12 years old, I've got to tie everything together, but it's like, if you cut me off...
00:44:26.000I'm going to have a few things dangling there.
00:44:28.000You've got to let me finish this thought.
00:44:32.000And if some guy now is too afraid to say, you guys, there's probably a reason for it.
00:44:37.000He probably got, whether it was social media or somebody in his family, came down on him and now he's like, I'm not trying to offend you gals.
00:45:31.000Black Americans, we think there's black Americans and Paula Deans, white Southern sort of racists who look like Ursula from Little Mermaid.
00:45:40.000And when you really think about it, y'all is something that's a commonality almost exclusively in those two cultures.
00:45:46.000Black Americans tend to share a lot in common with white Southerners as far as I think it's something that's missed on a lot of people.
00:45:58.000I mean, who else says y'all unless it's a white person from the South or a black person?
00:46:03.000You say y'all, Chael, and West Lynn a lot?
00:47:08.000What made you go from the hair when it was longer, you know, Silva, Son, and Era 2, back to, like, walking into the barber, give me the boy's cut number six?
00:48:33.000Yeah, especially if you're looking up sociology and anything comes up that involves transgender, you can bet there are going to be some sites bringing you some viruses.
00:51:03.000I listened to very little of what you just said, Chael.
00:51:06.000I have ADD too, man, and I respect it when somebody could admit it, so no problem there.
00:51:13.000Have you ever taken medication for ADD? Yes, I took something called Concerta, which is time-released Ritalin, and if I would have had that in college, I would be a lawyer right now, for sure.
00:51:42.000It'd be like speed, whereas Ritalin, those would be more similar to cocaine in that they more so affect dopamine reuptake as opposed to overall dopamine in the brain.
00:51:53.000I was thinking about it because I remember you mentioned those substances quite a bit when you're talking about what are banned substances, but substances that are completely legal and, as a matter of fact, encouraged by physicians for many people.
00:52:44.000The stuff we teach kids to stay off of is the stuff that brings you down, the stuff that will overdose you, kill you, alter your state of mind.
00:52:53.000The FDA and the DEA all say this stuff is fair game.
00:52:58.000Local law enforcement says it's fair game, but then you have an athletic commission that steps in and says no.
00:53:03.000So you've got to follow that rule, but I do think it's a little underhanded that you say, wait a minute, I have to choose between my sport and my health at times?
00:53:11.000There's times when I go to my doctor and I have to cross-reference that with an athletic commission that meets twice a year?
00:53:17.000How do I even get an answer from you guys?
00:55:22.000And he knows people who are doing this stuff.
00:55:23.000He's going, do you realize that if I were on this, I'm 240 and leaner by, let's say right now, What, July 30th?
00:55:31.000I mean, the kind of, really, the severe steroids.
00:55:33.000Not just talking about testosterone replacement therapy or bringing you to normal levels, but the kind of stuff that's abused, you know, or L4 levels.
00:55:47.000But you can see the difference where they come in and in two months you're rolling with someone and you're going like, okay, this is a very serious difference in a very short amount of time and I've trained my whole life.
00:55:58.000I've maxed out my natural capacity and strength to the point where there's diminishing returns.
00:56:02.000You might gain a few pounds on a squat over the next month or two and they just come in and they're superhuman.
00:56:10.000I just can't imagine being in a sport where some people aren't doing it and some people are.
00:56:14.000That's been my experience, too, when you're talking specifically about steroids or anabolics, that yes, they all, no matter which one, they will put on size.
00:56:23.000And not all medications do that, of course, but for steroids specifically, there's none I've ever read about, seen...
00:56:34.000Known people that were never that that wasn't the very first thing it did.
00:59:05.000Verdum, do you think there's a point that that can really happen with athletes where they just turn a corner and they get into a rhythm where they can literally become an entirely different athlete than they were, say, three or four years?
00:59:19.000Or do you believe you tend to be the same throughout your career?
00:59:23.000No, there is a day where the switch flips, for sure.
00:59:28.000Usually it happens around 15 or 16 years old.
00:59:32.000Every now and then a guy will get a resurgence in college.
00:59:36.000More and more we're seeing guys in the latter part of their career.
00:59:40.000We just saw Daniel Cormier win a world title.
00:59:42.000Robbie Lawler is the fighter of the year without question.
00:59:47.000I think he's over 35 years of age, maybe closer to 36 or 37.
00:59:52.000So we're seeing that Verdum's either 37 or 37.
00:59:55.000We're seeing some of these guys, yeah, flip that switch a little bit later.
00:59:59.000Randy Couture didn't even start the sport until 36.
01:03:33.000A few of us will enter it regardless of weight class and we can just figure this damn thing out.
01:03:37.000But all these guys that want to be pound for pound, none of them want to actually step up in a tournament and let's just all fight and figure it out.
01:06:38.000We've got a guy, Christian Bale, who couldn't do a push-up when he did The Machinist before this.
01:06:42.000He has every single anabolic steroid known to men cycling through his veins so he can be believable in this role, and a key grip just pissed him off.
01:07:05.000And by the way, he may be a horrible racist and anti-Semite, but you know, the fact is, when you were furious and livid, you were just saying whatever you can to hurt someone.
01:09:28.000My wife, when she got really mad one time, she just said something because she knew it would flip my lid because I always try to be very chivalrous and open the door for her or something.
01:09:35.000And she knew she was wrong in the argument.
01:10:07.000Kramer, though, what I thought was so funny about that is what's even worse, Chael, Like, you just got pissed at me, and, you know, you stuck the landing.
01:10:15.000He tried to feather it out, which makes it worse, where he said these horrible racist things, and then the crowd, and he's just sitting there like, this shocks you.
01:11:50.000And there was a rebuttal issued by a guy at Huffington Post as to why comedy can only touch on sociological issues if it's culturally sensitive.
01:11:58.000And the endgame was basically this liberal at HuffPo was saying, you can only do social commentary in your comedy if you agree with me.
01:12:04.000So even Seinfeld has come out now and said comedy is not the realm of free speech like it used to be.
01:13:58.000Okay, if I get on the cycle that Jeff Munson has been on, he walks around about 240, I guarantee you if I take those chemicals, I'm not saying he wouldn't beat the crap out of me.
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