Louder with Crowder - 🔴 Charlie Kirk Conspiracies Spread Like Wildfire: What's Really Going On? 2025-09-22 18:06

00:00:00.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:00:01.000 They recycling weapons.

00:00:02.000 Yeah, they just sort of, when it comes to intel or false flags, they just like uh you know, they're a little bit ham fisted.

00:00:08.000 Forgive them.

00:00:09.000 Ham fisted, that's not what they are.

00:00:12.000 That was a little underhand.

00:00:13.000 That was a little of it just to send some of the Jews way. 0.99

00:00:16.000 Now, of course, uh Candace Owens, and this is again not an indictment.

00:00:21.000 I some people may be genuine, some people may be operating with information that is incomplete, and there are some people who may be pushing false information.

00:00:29.000 And it may be a little column A, column B, column C. Candace Owens, of course, is one of the more mainstream voices, or one who is mainstreaming this idea that Charlie Kirk was taken out by in one capacity or another, uh, them Jews. 0.95

00:00:45.000 In the Hamptons, and he had um more than one event, but he had uh essentially what was staged, an intervention was staged by Bill Ackman.

00:00:59.000 Because Charlie's thoughts, Charlie's rational thoughts about Israel were a no-no.

00:01:06.000 This is this is not the route that you should be going on.

00:01:10.000 And Charlie was surrounded by his friends, it's quote unquote friends.

00:01:14.000 Uh Bill Ackman was very upset and threats were made.

00:01:21.000 Now we've already addressed that because Bill Ackman did address it, the producers did address it, and of course, we showed some of the clips where Charlie Kirk was critical of those representatives telling him that he couldn't even question some uh Israeli policy as far as government.

00:01:34.000 All of that we covered in uh an episode last week.

00:01:36.000 Please go check that out.

00:01:37.000 But Candace Owens also suggested it could have been, by the way, the Macron's, and she has the receipts to prove it.

00:01:46.000 Yes.

00:01:46.000 Oh.

00:01:47.000 The next receipt will be whether it's red or not.

00:01:50.000 As a completely by the way, completely as an aside here, I don't want to go down the rabbit hole, but who here had uh a head of state, head of state in the front, Miss McCron having to show her snatch in court to prove that she's a woman in a lawsuit against Candace Owens on their political bingo card this year.

00:02:10.000 Ooh.

00:02:11.000 See, I don't think that's convincing.

00:02:13.000 I think it makes me side with Candace.

00:02:15.000 Yeah, Candace might be right.

00:02:17.000 Who added the I thought that was you, Josh?

00:02:21.000 No.

00:02:21.000 You know who it was.

00:02:23.000 Uh here's the truth on on this conspiracy.

00:02:26.000 Like we said, there's there's really no basis for it.

00:02:28.000 Bill Ackman, Charlie's producer, both responded in detail, refuting the claim.

00:02:32.000 Does that mean I get it?

00:02:33.000 He said she said.

00:02:34.000 Gentile said Jew said.

00:02:36.000 Um but you have to, again, look at everything that we have the what we know, the time, the history, the backlog of this person being radicalized.

00:02:46.000 Which, and I I want to be very clear here.

00:02:49.000 This is important.

00:02:50.000 This is not a game if we are being hunted.

00:02:54.000 And by that I mean, you're just one step away.

00:02:57.000 You're just one viral clip or tweet away from being the next trophy on someone's mantle.

00:03:03.000 You guys understand that, right?

00:03:04.000 In other words, is it too far-fetched to believe that the left can be radicalized to the point of violence?

00:03:10.000 Well, you saw the summer of love.

00:03:12.000 You saw the attempted assassinations on Donald Trump.

00:03:14.000 You've seen this year in and year out.

00:03:16.000 So Occam's razor is the left is violent.

00:03:20.000 And the left's reality is so warped that my God, they might even celebrate en masse this kind of assassination.

00:03:28.000 I mean, even just look at that.

00:03:29.000 This is me talking opinion.

00:03:31.000 I don't see overwhelming celebration from the Jews or people in Israel at all over the death of Charlie Kirk.

00:03:39.000 I see it from the left.

00:03:41.000 I see more than 50% of the left justifying it in some capacity, according to the recent Ugov poll.

00:03:46.000 So the simplest explanation is wouldn't the group of people, many, many tens of millions in this country who were gleefully celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk be most in line with the person who carried it out.

00:04:01.000 It doesn't seem implausible to me at all.

00:04:03.000 As a matter of fact, it seems heartbreakingly predictable, and that we saw this coming in one capacity or another.

00:04:11.000 And this theory, to many, is is ridiculous to even the point uh that Nick Fuentes himself, who is not known as a huge fan of the Jews, said this can't be taken seriously.

00:04:25.000 Time to wake up, guys.

00:04:26.000 Some of this, I'll be the first one to say the conspiratard schizo thing, it's getting a little out of control. 1.00

00:04:35.000 And that's coming from me.

00:04:39.000 I mean, it's like we are truly through the looking glass when Charlie Kirk is assassinated.

00:04:45.000 People blame Israel.

00:04:48.000 I, who fought Charlie Kirk because he was pro-Israel, and being said to are I'm being sad to be covering up that he was killed for this miraculous conversion.

00:05:04.000 If Ben Shapiro was taken out next, and I God forbid, would Israel be behind that too? 0.82

00:05:13.000 I mean, that would be equally ridiculous.

00:05:15.000 If it was Ben Shapiro on Wednesday, people would be saying Israel did it.

00:05:19.000 Shapiro was about to become a national socialist.

00:05:22.000 Like what?

00:05:24.000 It's crazy.

00:05:27.000 I don't want to say a little bit of a taste of his own medicine because you know people were said to me, like people have told me that my grandparents were in were were cousins because I'm an inbred Ashkenazi.

00:05:38.000 I mean, here's the thing, and this is not to insult the Ashkenazi Jews.

00:05:40.000 Uh I do not look like them.

00:05:43.000 You don't.

00:05:44.000 Generally speaking, nor do you.

00:05:45.000 No, neither do I. But when you have Dave Smith, Daryl Cooper, and Nick Fuentes sounding like the voice of reason on Israel, you're like, wait a minute. 0.86

00:05:52.000 Wait, what what world am I living in?

00:05:54.000 And this is not to say that Massad doesn't carry out covert operations.

00:05:57.000 They do, by the way, so does the CIA.

00:06:00.000 I know that.

00:06:00.000 And one of the worst, I've talked about this, one of the worst.

00:06:03.000 We'll probably have to do a segment on this, is the French.

00:06:05.000 When it comes to espionage, I think that's the reason it's called espionage.

00:06:09.000 Internet, it's the French word for it.

00:06:10.000 They're dicks.

00:06:13.000 They started it, yes.

00:06:14.000 They're really, really bad at it.

00:06:16.000 Um, you could honestly, if you're gonna say, hey, an international uh agency being involved, you could argue the French would have more of a vested interest in destroying the voice of someone who is anti-socialist in this country, has been descending into socialism for many, many decades.

00:06:31.000 You could make that case too.

00:06:32.000 I want to be very clear as well, Miss Erica Kirk, Mrs. Erica Kirk, please don't hang me on if I say miss, Mrs. Erica Kirk is going to be discussing uh these claims on uh the the show with uh Alex Clark at TPUSA, I believe that's later this evening, I think it's 6 p.m.

00:06:46.000 It's it's called apothecary, I think the show.

00:06:48.000 So Miss Erica Kirk will be there addressing this.

00:06:52.000 And I also know that many people out there, there's nothing they will say, well, she's compromised, she has to say this.

00:06:58.000 Oh, gee.

00:06:58.000 Because no matter what she says, I think that her word counts for a lot in this.

00:07:03.000 Yeah.

00:07:04.000 Especially in tandem with TP USA producers, um, organizers.

00:07:09.000 I would give that more weight than people online who've clearly already gotten one or two facets of this story wrong.

00:07:17.000 This brings us to conspiracy number uh two out there.

00:07:21.000 And this is one that you've seen.

00:07:23.000 The reassembling and disassembling gun.

00:07:28.000 This has been out there.

00:07:30.000 And uh just to be clear, the clip I'm about to show you, this person is someone who I've watched a few times, is usually very good.

00:07:36.000 I don't believe that this person is being dishonest.

00:07:38.000 I want to be clear.

00:07:38.000 I don't want to get into some kind of uh urinating contest.

00:07:41.000 I just think that like many of you, they have some information that uh all of us sort of assume to be true.

00:07:46.000 And then once you do some digging and search, you find out it's based on nothing.

00:07:51.000 But this idea that there is no way the shooter could have assembled the gun on the roof, then disassembled it, gotten off the roof, and reassembled it before throwing it into the woods because a screwdriver was left on the roof.

00:08:06.000 So this is the disassembling, reassembling gun, and it's used as a linchpin for some of the conspiracies out there.

00:08:11.000 Here's a clip and then a collage.

00:08:12.000 So what the FBI is also telling you is that he reassembled the rifle before he dumped it in the bushes as he's fleeing the scene of a murder.

00:08:20.000 How'd he reassemble the rifle if he accidentally left his screwdriver up on the roof?

00:08:25.000 And you're seeing this all over X, um, people echoing this.

00:08:29.000 This one is is really simple.

00:08:31.000 Um I haven't seen this from the FBI.

00:08:36.000 No one has said that he disassembled the rifle right after the first shot.

00:08:39.000 That he reassembled it.

00:08:41.000 As a matter of fact, can we roll that footage again of him jumping off the rooftop?

00:08:45.000 The story, whether you believe it or not, the story that has been told is that he assembled the rifle, put it back together.

00:08:52.000 There's some debate over whether it was a scope or actually the rifle itself.

00:08:55.000 It kind of can be separated into two main components to simplify uh this.

00:09:00.000 I know there'll be some uh uh gun autists out there who will argue, but you know what I'm saying.

00:09:04.000 It looks like he jumps off this roof with a rifle in a towel that seems to be fully assembled, and there's nothing unreasonable about that.

00:09:12.000 So, I can fast forward to the phone.

00:09:20.000 Yeah, fast forward to the zoom in part, please.

00:09:22.000 It's coming up now.

00:09:23.000 It's coming up now.

00:09:32.000 Okay.

00:09:33.000 So you guys see that there?

00:09:34.000 Yeah.

00:09:35.000 All right.

00:09:35.000 But I am finding and you guys can let me know if there's something official from the intelligence community, because again, I've said they've done a horrible job.

00:09:42.000 If they're putting that out there, then they deserve to be called on it because that makes this whole thing far less believable as a story.

00:09:49.000 I'm not seeing anywhere that he disassembled, reassembled on the roof, and then disassembled it again.

00:09:56.000 Which actually means I'm I want to jump to another conspiracy because it ties into that.

00:09:59.000 So if you guys can follow me here, um, it is the uh outfit change.

00:10:04.000 So uh we'll call it number three, but it's actually number four.

00:10:08.000 Because in combination, these two have been used to suggest well, how did he do all this?

00:10:14.000 Changing outfits, assembling a gun, shooting, disassembling the gun, changing an outfit on the roof, then jumping off, changing outfits, reasset like.

00:10:23.000 But no one's saying that.

00:10:25.000 Right.

00:10:26.000 This is a game of telephone where people hear the perverted, the bastardized version of telephone, and then go, wow, well, that doesn't seem reasonable.

00:10:35.000 And I agree with you.

00:10:35.000 If you believe that that was the story or the timeline, yeah, what you're being presented with, a falsehood would make sense.

00:10:43.000 So the next conspiracy, number three, is that the shooter changed outfits so many times, but there's no footage.

00:10:50.000 Let me read this.

00:10:51.000 This is the magical outfit changes.

00:10:52.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:10:53.000 Um this is a post on X. This is how stupid they think you are.

00:10:56.000 Charlie Kirk shooter wore one set of clothes to the shooting, quote, changed clothes on the roof before he fled, quote, without being seen on camera changing, and then changed clothes at home after he fled, just before he hanged, I think means changed his clothes again.

00:11:11.000 So let's look at this.

00:11:12.000 This would mean he wore one set of clothes to the shooting.

00:11:14.000 Let's count this.

00:11:15.000 Give me a ding. 0.72

00:11:16.000 One outfit.

00:11:17.000 Change clothes on the roof before he fled, two outfits.

00:11:21.000 Without being seen on camera.

00:11:22.000 Uh then change clothes at home before he fled.

00:11:26.000 After he fled.

00:11:27.000 After he fled, sorry.

00:11:28.000 Number three, just before he changed his clothes again, four.

00:11:33.000 Okay.

00:11:34.000 Where are they getting that?

00:11:35.000 Well, the qu so someone put in quotes, which is not an actual quote.

00:11:37.000 No, none of it's a quote.

00:11:38.000 None of it's a quote.

00:11:39.000 So four outfit changes.

00:11:40.000 They're quoting themselves.

00:11:41.000 Yeah.

00:11:41.000 Here's the thing.

00:11:42.000 According to what I have seen and the footage, there are only two outfits.

00:11:47.000 And the only change that would have needed to take place would have been between that outfit number one, 807 a.m. and 1149.

00:12:01.000 And then maybe one outfit change if that Dairy Queen photo is proven to be correct within the span of seven hours or so.

00:12:10.000 But we're only really looking at this record here and seeing two changes.

00:12:15.000 And they justify this theory from this this clip.

00:12:19.000 Utah governor, who I believe misspoke, just as I did earlier, as we often do, saying, Yeah, you know, the one outfit and then the other outfit changed, you know, on the roof, saying the different outfit on the roof.

00:12:29.000 Watch this clip.

00:12:30.000 When he's first spotted on campus, he has different clothing on, and then he changes clothing on the roof and then changed back into that clothing at some point so that when when he was uh when he was apprehended when he when he was arrested, um the clothing matched the clothing he had on before the shooting here at UVU.

00:12:51.000 So again, play that again.

00:12:53.000 I'm trying to be gracious here.

00:12:55.000 That just seems like someone saying, You're in a different outfit there on the roof.

00:12:58.000 Play it again.

00:12:58.000 When he's first spotted on campus, he has different clothing on, and then he changes clothing on the roof and then changed back into that clothing at some point so that when when he was uh when he was apprehended when he when he was arrested, uh the clothing matched the clothing he had on before the shooting here.

00:13:19.000 So apprehended was the next day.

00:13:20.000 Right.

00:13:21.000 At his parents.

00:13:22.000 The next day.

00:13:22.000 In other words, he's just saying you could have changed back to the clothing that you saw that morning before the next evening.

00:13:28.000 And when he says, change clothing Uh uh on the roof.

00:13:31.000 Sounds like what he's saying to me.

00:13:33.000 It's not a direct quote saying we know that he changed his outfit on the roof.

00:13:36.000 He's saying you see the different, the different uh outfit that you saw when he was on the roof, versus the earliest that we have at 8 a.m.

00:13:43.000 So and it's very clear that that's what he's trying to say.

00:13:45.000 Just to give you some other data.

00:13:46.000 We we played that, but when we saw him on that same ring camera at about 1149, 1150, he was in the same clothing that he ended up taking the shot with.

00:13:54.000 It seems very yeah, we can't confirm exactly, but let's play that again.

00:13:57.000 Yeah.

00:13:58.000 Uh this is the uh uh clip limp shooter V two.

00:14:02.000 Uh let's play that.

00:14:03.000 So you see, this is him walking at 1149, 1151.

00:14:07.000 Right?

00:14:08.000 There he is.

00:14:09.000 Looks to be in the same clothing because it's all black.

00:14:12.000 Pants, right?

00:14:14.000 Relatively flowing pants, whatever you want to say, and then show clip shooter jump V3.

00:14:20.000 Which again, yeah, please doesn't look to be any different of an outfit.

00:14:25.000 And certainly does not look like the outfit that he was wearing at 8078.

00:14:29.000 Which was like shorts and I think a different colored shirt, too.

00:14:32.000 So unless you are taking that clip of that governor saying that as literally he changed in outfit on the roof, you only need to understand for the official story, whether you accept it or not, is that at 807 he had one outfit, and he changed outfits at some point between 8.07 a.m. and 1149 a.m. until he carried out the shooting and ran away.

00:14:54.000 Yeah.

00:14:54.000 Which is very reasonable.

00:14:56.000 That by the way, that would be me every day.

00:14:59.000 Because I go to, you know, if I go to the gym.

00:15:01.000 It's true.

00:15:01.000 You're gonna change an outfit.

00:15:02.000 Were you about to say something, Noodles?

00:15:04.000 They just sent in, they have the the limp walk video isolated on the left versus the two that actually it came from the school uh camera.

00:15:12.000 Okay.

00:15:13.000 So again, same outfit.

00:15:16.000 Yeah.

00:15:16.000 Same outfit, him walking, ring camera footage, same outfit, him getting to the roof, jumping off the roof.

00:15:22.000 And here's what is important.

00:15:24.000 You would have to make an intellectually inconsistent leap to say, no, no, no, I believe 100% that he changed outfit.

00:15:31.000 That's an the story that he disassembled, reassembled, and changed out.

00:15:35.000 How could he disassemble the rifle on the roof, change outfits and jump off that fast?

00:15:40.000 Well, it doesn't look like the rifle was disassembled when he jumped off, and it doesn't look like his outfit was any different than he walked up with a rifle in an outfit and jumped off in the same outfit with a rifle in a towel.

00:15:54.000 I I believe me, it it pains me.

00:15:57.000 I don't trust our intelligence agencies, and I think that the FBI has done a horrible job in communicating this, and they could put a lot of this to bed.

00:16:03.000 But all of that honestly seems like the most reasonable course of action for someone doing this.

00:16:09.000 Yeah.

00:16:10.000 And he has plenty of time to do all of this.

00:16:11.000 That's why it would be a problem is because he doesn't have enough time.

00:16:14.000 Right.

00:16:14.000 To do all these things if it is disassembling the rifle after the shot, taking time to change clothes and do that multiple times.

00:16:20.000 He has plenty of time in this timeline to do everything that he did.

00:16:23.000 Plenty of time.

00:16:24.000 Yes.

00:16:25.000 Um and again, if you look at shootings or you look at people carrying out crime, the first thing they do is change outfits once they're away from the scene of the crime.

00:16:32.000 Yeah.

00:16:32.000 So seven hours seems like a reasonable amount of time to put on some basketball shorts or whatever the hell.

00:16:36.000 All right.

00:16:37.000 Uh here's the next conspiracy, number three.

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00:16:49.000 I hope you understand what we started late today.

00:16:50.000 It was very important that we get this right.

00:16:53.000 Oh, sorry, it's conspiracy number four.

00:16:54.000 I'm sorry.

00:16:55.000 That's right.

00:16:55.000 It's number three in our our list, but we changed them.

00:16:57.000 Yeah.

00:16:57.000 Yeah, because the outfit and disassembling kind of ties together.

00:17:00.000 Uh conspiracy number four, the disappearing bullet.

00:17:04.000 And you see this from a lot of people saying there is no way this was not a 30-0 from a rooftop snipe uh from a rooftop sniper.

00:17:12.000 There's no way that's the case.

00:17:13.000 The bullet is coming in from somewhere in this direction.

00:17:17.000 Or somewhere in this direction.

00:17:21.000 What a piece of me.

00:17:22.000 The bullet coming down and it does line up with the actual gunshot itself.

00:17:26.000 I would say it's a smaller caliber than a 30-alt6, a 30-alt6 would make much bigger hole.

00:17:31.000 It hits bone and it projects itself outward.

00:17:36.000 No, I'm not even disagreeing that in general that would be true.

00:17:42.000 Right.

00:17:42.000 Um, it's not an uncommon caliber for for hunting.

00:17:45.000 I mean, I have plenty of relatives who've hunted with 30 aught six and killed many deer.

00:17:49.000 Um, and usually it leaves a very large exit wound.

00:17:52.000 Just as surely, I mean relatives who will tell you that sometimes bullets do weird things, and sometimes there isn't an exit wound, or sometimes the entrance wound, it looks like the deer was hit by a car.

00:18:00.000 I was there one time.

00:18:01.000 We were shocked.

00:18:02.000 Uh my uncle shot a deer, and they said, Woo!

00:18:05.000 What'd you what'd you do?

00:18:06.000 You run it over with your truck because it was just he just hit it at uh a weird soft tissue angle.

00:18:12.000 So this wasn't helped at all by the surgeon who worked on Charlie at the hospital, and there was, I believe, someone who was a producer releasing this on X saying I have permission to do so, where he said his bone was so healthy and the density was so so impressive that he's like the man of steel.

00:18:27.000 It should have just gone through and through.

00:18:28.000 It likely would have killed those standing behind him too.

00:18:31.000 He was talking about how it was a miracle.

00:18:33.000 Um First off, if it's a miracle, then you can't re you know, it defies science and reason.

00:18:40.000 Um but I again this doesn't seem like super responsible uh it's it's difficult.

00:18:46.000 It just needs to say that it's there.

00:18:47.000 You know, that they have the bullet there.

00:18:49.000 And I think what he was trying to say is that you know that uh other people could have been killed behind him if it had gone through the the tent to the back.

00:18:54.000 There were people standing back there, they said so it could have gone back there and killed people.

00:18:57.000 It's fine to say that, like, but it didn't exit, but you don't have to go into that.

00:19:01.000 But they have the round?

00:19:02.000 I don't that's what he said he found it under the skin.

00:19:06.000 He said he did?

00:19:07.000 Yeah.

00:19:07.000 Okay.

00:19:07.000 So he said he did again, last report.

00:19:09.000 Again, these are the things where it's like these aren't official reports.

00:19:11.000 Yeah.

00:19:12.000 That's the problem with things on social media where they're not necessarily verified.

00:19:14.000 But he said that he found it under the skin.

00:19:17.000 I saw that in the report.

00:19:18.000 I don't know if that's really official.

00:19:19.000 It could be.

00:19:20.000 Because it could also be a fragment.

00:19:22.000 Right.

00:19:22.000 Right?

00:19:23.000 It could also there are a multitude of explanations.

00:19:25.000 And you even talked about this how again you saw the original footage.

00:19:28.000 Yeah.

00:19:29.000 When people say, Oh, if it's a 30-odd six, it guaranteed would have decapitated him.

00:19:33.000 Well, that's silly.

00:19:34.000 Yeah.

00:19:35.000 It wouldn't guarantee decapitate him.

00:19:36.000 No.

00:19:36.000 No, it's not a guaranteed decapitation.

00:19:38.000 I think it probably unlikely to decapitate him.

00:19:40.000 Uh but you know, Ralski do all kinds of crazy things, depending on how much it's you know, that's the you how many times you hear a doctor say, Oh, it was millimeters away from killing you.

00:19:48.000 You were middle millimeters away from surviving.

00:19:50.000 Right.

00:19:50.000 Um they could do a lot of different things.

00:19:52.000 And when I first saw it, I honestly I thought it came from the back.

00:19:56.000 So it looked like an exit.

00:19:57.000 Does it look like an exit wound?

00:19:58.000 It did look like that.

00:19:58.000 Um not seeing anything on the back kind of suggests that it went in right here.

00:20:05.000 Right.

00:20:05.000 And like you were talking about, let's say, you know, a nick, right, would be this where it's because considering how much damage it could do, if it's less than a nick, but let's say just hits the side of the tissue, not the spine, right?

00:20:17.000 That could cause one large hole in a gape. 0.85

00:20:21.000 In that case, you would expect the to find the round somewhere else to have gone through.

00:20:24.000 But if he did have, you know, some strong milk drinking bones, then uh could he have that fragment is left behind or if he did have some kind of a plate.

00:20:34.000 Right, that could change the we don't know.

00:20:36.000 It doesn't matter for sure.

00:20:38.000 Or if it hit, let's say, for example, we know that we've done this, it could have hit one of the posts of the canopy that he had, right?

00:20:44.000 That can I'm not saying it would stop a bullet, but that can change the velocity dramatically.

00:20:49.000 Yeah.

00:20:49.000 And there have been far more bizarre cases of bullet behavior than this.

00:20:54.000 Even though it this is the one thing I would say seems unlikely for it not to have an exit wound.

00:21:01.000 And I won't say seems unlikely based on the the damage was so severe, guys, if you w if you watch it.

00:21:07.000 No, it wasn't a decapitation, thank God.

00:21:11.000 But it was so graphic you'll never unsee it.

00:21:13.000 It was immediate blood loss that would lead to instant death.

00:21:17.000 Yeah, unless the unless the entry wound was somewhere uh back here, I would I would expect that that would be like basically two an entry and an exit wound making one big hole because of the limited space that it did that it did hit.

00:21:30.000 Yeah.

00:21:31.000 And so we don't know that.

00:21:31.000 But here's something that we do know.

00:21:33.000 Here's the truth is that um there have been many, many, many witnesses.

00:21:36.000 So you would have to believe that many of these people are on the payroll as well, because this has then been used to X the springboard for conspiracies of, of course, second shooter.

00:21:45.000 Right.

00:21:46.000 Uh I've even seen some as I've even seen some so crazy as it was an inside job where someone had a detonation device on his lock that yeah, on his lava that shot him in the neck.

00:21:56.000 And by the way, I'm not just talking like this is you're talking about millions of people have seen this.

00:22:00.000 I've seen people saying, look, they're clearly shot doing hand signals to uh uh uh take part in an inside job.

00:22:06.000 Like you can't address all of them.

00:22:08.000 But here's the truth.

00:22:09.000 There were many, many witnesses, and not a single one described potentially the shooter at another angle.

00:22:14.000 Right?

00:22:14.000 They described the shot as a single shot, sounding like a bang or a firecracker.

00:22:19.000 Um one uh account Isaac Davis, uh a student there told the New York Times it was definitely noticeable, but it sounded almost like a firecracker.

00:22:29.000 Um I do think here the uh this is where the actual report, the medical report, will be of significance.

00:22:38.000 Yeah.

00:22:38.000 And we don't have it yet.

00:22:39.000 And you can say that you won't trust that medical report.

00:22:42.000 Okay, fine.

00:22:42.000 Right.

00:22:43.000 But I certainly wouldn't trust someone who has no medical report and anything beyond the footage that you have access to.

00:22:49.000 Yeah.

00:22:50.000 Well, that's uh the thing that I've wanted to ask people is like I I understand maybe you have some difficulty with some of the information coming out right now.

00:22:56.000 But what's the alternative theory that you have evidence for?

00:23:00.000 Not just the fact that you're thinking something else could have happened.

00:23:02.000 Right.

00:23:03.000 You know, Stu Peters was in that that collaged people that said Israel killed Charlie Kirk.

00:23:07.000 I mean, he didn't he didn't mint any words about it.

00:23:09.000 I'm like, okay, well, what evidence do you have that that is true?

00:23:12.000 Like you're making a claim support it.

00:23:14.000 And that's they're not saying that this assassin didn't do it, that there was other people.

00:23:19.000 Yeah.

00:23:19.000 They're saying specifically that Israel killed them.

00:23:21.000 And I'm like, okay, well, why?

00:23:22.000 What what what happened?

00:23:23.000 Here's here's also the irony for me.

00:23:25.000 If people are saying that, um, these are often the same people who were vehemently against Donald Trump uh hitting the nuclear facilities in Iran where there were there was no known collateral damage, right?

00:23:35.000 The most effective Well, because we're doing it for Israel. 0.68

00:23:37.000 That was the whole thing.

00:23:38.000 But that's my point.

00:23:39.000 If someone says Israel killed Charlie Kirk, that's a declaration of war, and we bomb the shit out of multiple locales as it relates to Israeli government.

00:23:48.000 Just so you know, if Israel had anything to do with the assassination of Charlie Kirk, I would be front and center saying we have to declare not they're not our allies.

00:23:57.000 Declare war against Israel.

00:23:59.000 Comment below if you'd be in that camp.

00:24:01.000 Franz Ferdinand style.

00:24:02.000 There you go.

00:24:03.000 And yeah.

00:24:04.000 And so it's just funny to me that people who claim to want peace and that we don't want to fight wars for Israel are making a declarative statement that in any circumstance would be a declaration of war.

00:24:16.000 Yeah.

00:24:16.000 I don't see how you'd get around that.

00:24:17.000 And the other thing is that Netanyahu came out and apologize, not apologize, sorry, they're saying he's trying to cover up by coming out and saying, hey, how bad it is that Charlie Kirk was shot.

00:24:26.000 And they're like, well, why would a world leader come out and do that?

00:24:29.000 And it's like, well, I don't know.

00:24:30.000 Maybe he's got some people going, hey, they're blaming us again for this.

00:24:34.000 You know, and he's like, listen, we didn't have anything to do with this.

00:24:36.000 This is a very sad day.

00:24:37.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk visited Israel and it's well, it's well documented through video and pictures.

00:24:42.000 They're supposed to have had direct communication.

00:24:43.000 And he's had communications with us.

00:24:45.000 In other words, it makes complete sense.

00:24:46.000 I know.

00:24:46.000 It's also not crazy to think that one of our uh quote unquote greatest allies would speak on this.

00:24:51.000 I mean, they try to they try to get a moment of silence.

00:24:53.000 I can't remember who did it.

00:24:54.000 The uh the UN try to get a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk.

00:24:57.000 It didn't happen, but other world leaders were obviously weighing in.

00:25:01.000 They try to do it in our own in our own halls, in our own our own house.

00:25:03.000 And they say, no.

00:25:05.000 Remember that?

00:25:05.000 Well, they they wanted to do that.

00:25:07.000 That's a direct quote.

00:25:07.000 Great impression.

00:25:08.000 Yeah.

00:25:09.000 They didn't want to do a verbal prayer or something.

00:25:11.000 No!

00:25:11.000 Something like that.

00:25:12.000 That was their official response.

00:25:13.000 It was a it was a prayer issue because they got a lot of uh non-Christians on the left side. 0.97

00:25:17.000 Yeah, I don't care.

00:25:18.000 That was the longest filibuster ever, was just some cackling bitch going, nah, nah! 1.00

00:25:23.000 Uh here's the final conspiracy out there.

00:25:27.000 And this one I kind of get.

00:25:28.000 Uh the planted text messages.

00:25:32.000 Right?

00:25:32.000 The planted text messages.

00:25:34.000 Uh and this is where people are saying that the feds clearly planted a curated text exchange between this shooter and this blatantly homosexual gay trans lover to just try and wrap this all up and in a nice little bow. 0.56

00:25:49.000 Um, I will say these text messages are suspect at best.

00:25:54.000 But that doesn't mean that it's the feds or the Jews.

00:25:57.000 Uh this is not something, by the way, that is uncommon where people go, okay, let's get our story straight.

00:26:01.000 Right.

00:26:02.000 All right, so that you don't take any of the fall.

00:26:04.000 That's right, right.

00:26:04.000 I don't know if you're gonna believe I didn't know you were my roommate.

00:26:06.000 Okay, we got a text message said, and I'll just make it clear.

00:26:09.000 Right.

00:26:09.000 That wasn't invented with breaking bad.

00:26:11.000 It was reflective of things that have happened many, many times in real life.

00:26:14.000 So let me read you um some of the texts.

00:26:16.000 This is from uh Tyler Robinson to gay homosexual trans boyfriend Lance Twiggs.

00:26:21.000 I am still okay, my love, but I am stuck in Orim for a little while longer yet.

00:26:26.000 Why did I do it?

00:26:27.000 I had enough of his hatred.

00:26:30.000 Some hate can't be negotiated out.

00:26:32.000 If I am able to grab my rifle unseen sight unseen, I will have left no evidence.

00:26:39.000 Only thing I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel.

00:26:43.000 Remember how I was engraving bullets?

00:26:45.000 The effing messages are mostly a big meme.

00:26:48.000 If I see notices bulge UWU on Fox News, I might have a stroke.

00:26:52.000 The point is, it seems like it also could be weird goths at a renaissance fair.

00:26:57.000 It's true.

00:26:58.000 We got an update on that stroke situation.

00:27:00.000 I I don't know.

00:27:01.000 I don't know.

00:27:02.000 I I hear you smelling burnt toast.

00:27:04.000 I'm hopeful.

00:27:05.000 Me too.

00:27:06.000 Um I want him to stay around for a while.

00:27:08.000 Here's the truth.

00:27:09.000 Yes, these are very suspect, but it's n these exchanges were not needed to establish a motive.

00:27:16.000 Um If anything, it seems that the exchange might have been fabricated by this to protect his gay, homosexual, blatantly trans male lover. 0.67

00:27:25.000 There are other text messages not being mentioned, by the way, like this one.

00:27:30.000 I'm a female.

00:27:31.000 Yes.

00:27:31.000 Come on.

00:27:34.000 You gotta get all the facts before you start coming up with theories.

00:27:36.000 I don't know if you'll hold up all that well to get interrogation, Gerald.

00:27:40.000 Although you do like harsh lighting.

00:27:42.000 I'll be fine.

00:27:42.000 Hey, really quickly, let me tie these two things together here, right?

00:27:45.000 So this line of text messages seems kind of odd.

00:27:47.000 It could be of course something that's you know I don't think any of us looked at that and said, Yeah, totally normal conversation between two gay lovers.

00:27:54.000 Um it seems like Todd Sawyer book.

00:27:57.000 But yeah, do you do you so there is there have been kind of these uh innuendos that maybe there was a larger group associated with this or at least they knew what was going on and maybe they're trying to protect their like a Discord server.

00:28:08.000 There's a lot of talk about that.

00:28:10.000 Do you think the FBI statement that we're all looked at and go, why would you say that?

00:28:13.000 Do you think that was to make them feel safe?

00:28:15.000 Like, hey, this is just one lone nut that we really haven't tied to any left-wing groups.

00:28:18.000 Do you think that's to make sure that these guys don't think, hey, we're on to you?

00:28:22.000 Because I I can't think of any other reason that the FBI would release a statement like that right now saying, Well, we can't find any evidence of him being uh, you know, aligned with any left wing groups.

00:28:30.000 How do you how do you say that with a straight face?

00:28:32.000 I just think they're very imprudent and benefiting.

00:28:33.000 But that's probably the same.

00:28:34.000 I mean, look at Cash Patel, where he he tweeted out, you know, the um I think he said at one point the shooter in custody then said the suspect has been released.

00:28:41.000 There was a switch of it.

00:28:42.000 We're like, well, hold on a second.

00:28:43.000 Right.

00:28:43.000 You didn't just say in other words, there could be a suspect who is not the shooter, but a suspect involved.

00:28:48.000 They have not been careful with their language.

00:28:50.000 No, and that guy was super like that's another thing that's a good thing.

00:28:52.000 Well, it wasn't even that guy, it was a different one.

00:28:53.000 I'm not talking about the old man.

00:28:54.000 I'm talking about there was another one where Cash Patel released it.

00:28:56.000 So I think that statement is kind of I mean, kind of true though.

00:29:00.000 I just there's no group necessarily.

00:29:02.000 As far as we know, right now that they know.

00:29:04.000 I mean, I think it's getting convoluted and missing misunderstanding.

00:29:08.000 I mean, I think Reddit politics is a group because all of them celebrate the murder.

00:29:11.000 Honestly, to me, that that's enough to qualify as left-wing violence.

00:29:15.000 If a couple of guys in hoods who, by the way, would vote for a socialist if he was white, if that's considered right wing violence, I think people on the biggest political message board on the on the known internet world celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk should count as a group.

00:29:30.000 Hey, have you been taking part in this group?

00:29:32.000 Have you been celebrating death in this group?

00:29:33.000 Then yeah, you know what?

00:29:34.000 We're gonna consider you part of a left-wing extremist group.

00:29:37.000 Yeah.

00:29:37.000 Yeah, meetups.

00:29:38.000 Yeah.

00:29:38.000 Well, and so that's another thing that we don't know that I want to make sure, because honestly, now that I think about it, the the two things that I need answers to, I think the most, right?

00:29:45.000 I have no problem with a lot of the other things because I think there's plausible explanations.

00:29:49.000 The the the caliber and and what happened with the bullet and whether there was an armor that it deflected, I think that question needs to be answered.

00:29:57.000 Yeah, if he was wearing body armor.

00:29:58.000 Right in a medical report will help us understand that.

00:30:00.000 And also, what's up with a guy claiming that he was the shooter immediately after?

00:30:05.000 Because people are saying, oh, that was just to try to give him time to get away and depressing.

00:30:08.000 That's what he said.

00:30:09.000 No, I think what he said was he was trying to draw attention to the shooter or something like that.

00:30:13.000 No, he he said he said that he was trying to give the shooter time to get away.

00:30:17.000 He was not there as a supporter of Charlie Kirk.

00:30:19.000 Another neighbor of his actually spoke with Fox News right after it happened.

00:30:23.000 The guy that we had on, um, I forget his name, Austin or he came on.

00:30:27.000 He was the one that went over, saw that, went over and basically tried to get in front of the camera himself to kind of stop that.

00:30:32.000 But the guy had said, yeah, it's a friend of mine, and he's uh yeah, he's sure he's a little angry and sure he's on a little medication.

00:30:37.000 Yeah, he's a little crazy, but I don't think he would do this.

00:30:39.000 Listen, I don't know how crazy like you could be crazy.

00:30:42.000 I don't know that the first thought of anybody who's anti-Charlie Kirk and even wanted to see that happen is to yell as it happens and and say I shot him.

00:30:51.000 Oh, it is for six people.

00:30:52.000 Maybe I just don't think it'd be the very first thought because I mean you're standing there, you're angry at somebody, let's say I'm angry at you and I'm looking at you and somebody shoot you.

00:30:59.000 I don't think the first thing that I would do is go, it was me!

00:31:01.000 It was me, so that that guy could get away.

00:31:03.000 I'm it seems I think you would.

00:31:05.000 How fast how fast did the guy stand up and said I am Spartacus?

00:31:09.000 I don't know.

00:31:09.000 I think that's uh that's part of putting this thing to bed is to kind of understand the timeline a little bit and make sure that we get the facts straight on it.

00:31:17.000 Well, but I do want an answer to that because I think a lot of people are running with that as a theory.

00:31:21.000 I agree with you.

00:31:21.000 Yeah.

00:31:22.000 Um and so look, we're going to go and take your chats and continue kind of sifting through this.

00:31:26.000 So please send us your chats, your questions, um, and our research team will help answer because we've been pouring over this uh all morning and obviously uh all throughout last week and trying to compile this as thoroughly as possible.

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00:31:52.000 Well, you're supposed to, but just you know what, uh Toolman, just uh we're we're we're going now.

00:31:56.000 Mug Club, let's go. 1.00

00:31:57.000 Go.

00:31:58.000 Go.

00:31:58.000 Come on.

00:33:29.000 what's that?

00:33:30.000 Did you say there's something on CNN right now?

00:33:32.000 Oh gosh, Colin Alred.

00:33:33.000 They're like, Can a can a Democrat break with history and win in Texas?

00:33:38.000 No, he already lost.

00:33:39.000 He got his butt kicked by uh Ted Cruz, I believe he was the last candidate to lose to Cruz.

00:33:44.000 He's a weird look.

00:33:46.000 All red with embarrassment.

00:33:47.000 I don't even is he running for one of the new districts that was created.

00:33:50.000 Actually, hold on.

00:33:50.000 I'm gonna move this one.

00:33:51.000 There's a nude district, new new in France, but not in the dang Gerald. 0.99

00:33:57.000 I'm gonna move this so I can don't hit that light.

00:33:59.000 I'm not gonna hit the light.

00:34:00.000 Don't hit the light light, hit it.

00:34:02.000 You can hit it.

00:34:02.000 Don't hit the light.

00:34:03.000 Do it!

00:34:04.000 I don't like that light.

00:34:05.000 That way I can uh I can check out uh CNN as this stuff.

00:34:08.000 Trying to prop him up running.

00:34:10.000 Ah, I dropped my hand.

00:34:11.000 He has a major Democrat upset in Texas that isn't going to happen.

00:34:15.000 Oh earlier, you guys were you guys are going through the theories and stuff, and they had uh what?

00:34:19.000 They had somebody who interviewing Trump out in the lawn, and uh he he said, I think Pam Bondi will go down as the greatest DOJ in age or uh AG in ages. 0.88

00:34:29.000 I don't know what his problem is because he is completely tone deaf.

00:34:32.000 Like no one likes her.

00:34:34.000 Yeah, no one thinks she is good at her job. 1.00

00:34:36.000 Maybe she does have the way and he's really on it, and we missed it, and that's why she's there.

00:34:41.000 I feel like we were ahead of that, right?

00:34:42.000 When you guys said, Do we want to cover the Bondi confirmation?

00:34:45.000 I said, No.

00:34:45.000 Really?

00:34:46.000 I said, I really don't, because I want to hope for the best, and I don't want to crap on her, but I think if people know why it is that I dislike her, um, she's gonna go in, you know.

00:34:55.000 I don't want I don't want to hamstring her going in, but this is exactly what I feared.

00:34:58.000 Yep.

00:34:58.000 It's worse than I feared.

00:34:59.000 I mean, you just look at her connections to the rhinos and to the the the bushes and the Lindsay Grahams of the world, or uh yeah, Lindsay Graham, not mentioned McConnell.

00:35:07.000 Just like what she did in Florida and dealing with Epstein, in other words, she is the smoke as far as where there's smoke, there's fire.

00:35:14.000 People go, uh, I don't trust Pam Bonnie, and it doesn't mean that the theories are correct, but you have every reason to not trust Pam Bondi.

00:35:21.000 And I've been saying that from the beginning.

00:35:23.000 So yeah, I don't know why that is a huge misstep for President Trump.

00:35:26.000 And I don't think listen, I don't think Matt Gates would have been any better for different reasons.

00:35:30.000 I think it would have been better.

00:35:32.000 Not overall controversy the entire time.

00:35:34.000 It would have been a it would have been.

00:35:35.000 I think some people would have been arrested, though.

00:35:36.000 I do too.

00:35:37.000 I think he probably would have actually done something.

00:35:38.000 He would have been stronger in some of the areas she's weak on, but I think in other areas he would have just been uh a mess.

00:35:44.000 I think Pam Bondi desperately wants to maintain her career in Washington, DC. 0.97

00:35:49.000 Yeah.

00:35:49.000 And so that will um moderate your behavior to not piss anyone off too much.

00:35:54.000 Yeah.

00:35:55.000 And I think she has no understanding of what a conservative is when she did their whole hate speech thing. 1.00

00:35:59.000 She's never had a conversation with an actual conservative in her life.

00:36:02.000 And I mean that.

00:36:02.000 I mean that.

00:36:03.000 She never has.

00:36:04.000 You wouldn't make that mistake otherwise.

00:36:05.000 No.

00:36:05.000 You wouldn't.

00:36:06.000 And I mean, this is like a this is like a several, several, several years old conversations.

00:36:11.000 This isn't something that just came around the last couple of years.

00:36:13.000 Correct.

00:36:13.000 You know, you can go back 10, 15, 20 years at least.

00:36:16.000 Mm-hmm.

00:36:17.000 So all right.

00:36:18.000 Well, is there anything that you guys want to add, but let's take some chats.

00:36:21.000 Uh and by the way, of course, uh Josh doesn't let me say uh Army Ranger who who who knows a little bit about shooting guns.

00:36:28.000 and when he talks about that and he talks about, yeah, bullets do weird thing.

00:36:30.000 We're adding our expertise.

00:36:31.000 They don't decapitate people though.

00:36:33.000 No.

00:36:33.000 Typically, I mean, unless it's a 50 cal round shot at a close...

00:36:37.000 Right effective range.

00:36:39.000 Or Rambo.

00:36:40.000 That last one where they just he was mowing people down on the rice.

00:36:42.000 He did do that.

00:36:43.000 Anything you see in Rambo is totally real.

00:36:45.000 Totally wrong.

00:36:46.000 Yes.

00:36:46.000 No, no, real.

00:36:48.000 Yeah, let me shoot a minigun real quick with my bare hands.

00:36:52.000 Jump out of a helicopter, hit every branch on the way down and just walk with a limp.

00:36:56.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:36:56.000 And he ran away.

00:36:57.000 I this this also isn't the magic bullet theory either.

00:37:00.000 That's one of those, you know, the that theory for me is is beyond my ability to go, yes, that seems plausible.

00:37:06.000 Now I'm I I will admit that I am not, you know, I'm not an expert and I can't scientifically walk through that process, but bullets turning in midair and going in like seventy four different people and breaking bones and coming out completely unscathed.

00:37:18.000 Doesn't sound possible to me.

00:37:19.000 That's not what we're saying here so far.

00:37:20.000 No, there are some things I don't understand.

00:37:22.000 Sure.

00:37:22.000 I I understand what I've seen and and you know, in in experience.

00:37:26.000 Yeah.

00:37:27.000 Um as far as results of shootings.

00:37:29.000 What I don't know is the science of of calibers and uh because I go into a gun shop to go buy, you know, rounds to go shoot at the range, and I don't know what the difference is in a lot of these different it's oh, they're all they're all 45, but these are labeled different and like you had the the the what was it, the uh the 32.

00:37:47.000 32 HP.

00:37:48.000 Like, hey, if you see any well, you you grab some and I'm like, uh this this 32 auto, is that the same thing?

00:37:53.000 I have like I don't know those things.

00:37:54.000 Right, 32 ACP, 32 uh long, 32 H and RMA.

00:37:57.000 So I don't know if there's a 30 odd six round that is um you know, a typical one that you'd find in a store or one that somebody reloads themselves.

00:38:05.000 That's something I like.

00:38:07.000 You know, velocity range on it.

00:38:09.000 Very different.

00:38:09.000 You can have you can have people hand load and exp it literally blow up their gun, or you can have people hand load and get less than half of the velocity of a lot of things.

00:38:17.000 I don't think this guy's hand loading uh rounds, but maybe it's an old rifle, maybe it's an old round that was, you know, hand loaded by somebody else you know, 30, 40 years ago.

00:38:26.000 Maybe there's the maybe the black powder sucks.

00:38:28.000 Uh I you know, I don't know.

00:38:30.000 Yeah, I I don't know either.

00:38:31.000 It's a very powerful round, and I understand what people are saying that it would be very damaging.

00:38:34.000 But to me, and I understand the no exit wound, but that's not what people have said.

00:38:38.000 People have said there would be blood everywhere.

00:38:41.000 Why is there and show that picture?

00:38:43.000 And I think that's misleading because there was blood everywhere.

00:38:45.000 Yeah.

00:38:46.000 There was blood everywhere.

00:38:47.000 It's it's horrific.

00:38:48.000 It's one of those things that I saw like, you know, I was on X that day, it was everywhere.

00:38:52.000 Right.

00:38:52.000 As soon as that came out, and I saw about half it, I immediately was able to get past it before I saw all of it.

00:38:58.000 But what I did see was awful.

00:39:00.000 Yeah, the the vi the vibe definitely shifted here in the office when because the first one everyone saw was far away.

00:39:07.000 And we saw and we go, is that a little bit of blood on a shirt coming down?

00:39:10.000 And then, you know, I was like 10 minutes later or whatever when someone's like, hey, this is well, you made a good one.

00:39:14.000 This is a close one.

00:39:15.000 It's like, ah, the vibe was like, We both said we're still praying, but yeah.

00:39:22.000 I think we both be like, yeah, I I don't think he I don't think so.

00:39:25.000 We said something to that effect.

00:39:26.000 And you made a good point though, and of course, we have not forgotten about uh Zarutzka that in that video people are going, wait, at this point was she's gonna be able to do that.

00:39:32.000 That was not bleeding yet.

00:39:33.000 That was me.

00:39:34.000 And I go, because I've seen stab wounds in in real life, and uh I didn't see anything coming out.

00:39:39.000 I was like, the neck, I feel like the neck.

00:39:41.000 I've never seen a stab wound to the neck.

00:39:42.000 Yeah.

00:39:42.000 So I'm like, I I don't know.

00:39:44.000 And she goes like this, and she's like looking up and and and then kind of looking down, and that's all after she'd been stabbed, presumably two to three times.

00:39:52.000 Yeah.

00:39:53.000 And we didn't see anything.

00:39:54.000 Right.

00:39:54.000 And then she falls to the ground, and then a little bit later you see a little bit of blood, and then eventually you start seeing the cascading uh amount of it in uh in the very graphic video.

00:40:04.000 Yeah.

00:40:04.000 So it doesn't happen right away.

00:40:06.000 Right.

00:40:06.000 So it's uh that's kind of a silly thing to go out and be like, oh well, there's no blood here, so uh Yeah, no, exactly.

00:40:12.000 You just chill on the science real quick.

00:40:14.000 People who've read too many Sherlock Holmes.

00:40:16.000 I've also seen an Afghan dude.

00:40:17.000 Afghan dude got shot in the shoulder.

00:40:19.000 Just standing there, no bleeding at all.

00:40:21.000 Just like a little bit of blood around it.

00:40:22.000 Yeah, just standing there and we were giving him care and stuff.

00:40:24.000 What was it?

00:40:25.000 A laser blaster?

00:40:26.000 Oh, this is what what the you know, and somebody could probably fact check me in the comments, but what our Our medic had said was like, yeah, these people are so malnourished.

00:40:33.000 And they're so dehydrated that they get shot sometimes.

00:40:37.000 Just go straight through.

00:40:38.000 Yeah, it just goes straight.

00:40:39.000 And then the body's not the body's not pushing white blood cells to the area.

00:40:42.000 The body's not pushing blood blood cells.

00:40:44.000 Okay.

00:40:44.000 And Arena got stabbed directly in the center of the throat, whereas where Charlie got shot, it was inside, yeah.

00:40:50.000 Jugular and the artery.

00:40:53.000 Yeah.

00:40:53.000 That that would explain part of it, I would assume.

00:40:56.000 Yeah.

00:40:57.000 Yeah.

00:40:57.000 It's it's just it was just awful to see.

00:40:59.000 And again, hopefully uh you guys we're we're we're trying to get to the truth of it, and I think there's a lot of white noise there.

00:41:04.000 Some of it is deliberate and some of it is just people don't know any better.

00:41:07.000 And um I I am affording uh as much grace as I can to people on our side because I also understand when you're upset, when there's been a grave injustice committed and you want to see justice served that you may, you know, sometimes uh jump the gut a little bit.

00:41:20.000 So I understand it, and uh this is not a condemnation of you guys.

00:41:24.000 Um at the end of all this, I'll be very clear in uh what does deserve condemnation because people who have a platform and are supposed to inform you, they are held to a different standard.

00:41:37.000 Yeah.

00:41:38.000 They are absolutely held to a different standard, and that does bother us here.

00:41:41.000 Especially as people because we've been accused of of uh fake news for jokes.

00:41:46.000 It's like if we make a factual claim on this show, you can verify it.

00:41:50.000 You can and even today we make mistakes.

00:41:51.000 We made the mistakes we just said today.

00:41:53.000 Yeah, we said the family was there because that's what everybody said.

00:41:57.000 Um it was it was so unanimous in the initial reporting that we had no reason to question it.

00:42:03.000 Right.

00:42:03.000 That was what was told.

00:42:04.000 And it seemed like such a shocking thing.

00:42:06.000 It seemed like well, that's not something that would we didn't even second think it.

00:42:09.000 Right.

00:42:10.000 When they when they said there, they were actually being accurate and saying, well, they were there, they just weren't at the event.

00:42:14.000 Right.

00:42:14.000 They weren't a little bit more.

00:42:15.000 But then that even went to people saying that the daughter wanted to go to daddy, and like in other words, because people hear it and they add more to it.

00:42:21.000 And by the way, the people adding to it, they're probably not even being uh misleading on purpose.

00:42:26.000 They heard it, they absorbed it, and then that just grows and grows, and you see that all the time.

00:42:30.000 And it was a heartbreaking thought to think of it, too.

00:42:32.000 So heartbreaking.

00:42:33.000 You know, y I'm so glad that's not true.

00:42:36.000 Me too.

00:42:36.000 Yeah.

00:42:37.000 This is this entire thing was a tragedy that could be a little bit worse in a couple of different ways.

00:42:42.000 You know, so I'm glad that they were at least spared that.

00:42:45.000 Yeah.

00:42:45.000 Um let's grab some chats or noodles.

00:42:47.000 All right.

00:42:47.000 Uh first chat from Kaylin Bean.

00:42:50.000 Does the lack of time stamps on the text message chain add to the validity for the claim the feds planted the text messages?

00:42:56.000 Thank y'all for everything you do.

00:42:59.000 No.

00:42:59.000 When I text, I I mean you can you can definitely like if you're doing it in a row, you're not gonna see like that initial timestamp that's giving you like when that thread started.

00:43:06.000 It you have to push to the left to kind of see it.

00:43:08.000 If it's an iPhone, I don't know if that's the same thing.

00:43:10.000 Yeah, it also depends if it goes through iMessage or through even then I could change those.

00:43:14.000 Yeah.

00:43:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:43:14.000 I could change those times easily.

00:43:16.000 So I mean I can tell you if I were to grab my phone right now, there are sometimes we're like, well, why doesn't this show the time?

00:43:20.000 Like I'll see it'll say a date.

00:43:21.000 And you're gonna be able to do that.

00:43:22.000 And then when I transferred phones, there were some old texts that were listed as the most recent texts that were from like years ago.

00:43:28.000 And then the more recent texts weren't there.

00:43:30.000 So stuff like that happens all the time.

00:43:31.000 But yeah, there's there are settings where you can also make it so that it doesn't give you time stamps.

00:43:34.000 So no, I don't think so.

00:43:35.000 And here's the thing.

00:43:36.000 If it's you have to separate between atypical or uncommon and completely implausible.

00:43:44.000 And then you also have to separate atypical or uncommon for you.

00:43:48.000 Right.

00:43:48.000 Because there are a lot of people out there who don't have any receipts as far as when a text message is read.

00:43:53.000 Who it's a setting on your phone to have it auto-delete every thirty days, right?

00:43:57.000 So atypical, uncommon versus impossible or implausible.

00:44:01.000 And then in the atypical or uncommon, is it just for you?

00:44:04.000 Because there are people who live in a world, for example, investigative journalists who have as little documentation of uh some communications as possible.

00:44:13.000 And I would imagine they probably wouldn't want to be super transparent if uh, you know, you're committing an assassination.

00:44:21.000 Next chat.

00:44:22.000 All right.

00:44:22.000 Uh next chat from Wheel Impressive.

00:44:25.000 Why is it so inconceivable that the shooter's texts aren't real?

00:44:29.000 I didn't say they I didn't say that.

00:44:30.000 I said it's the most reasonable one that it seems suspicious.

00:44:33.000 No, but sorry.

00:44:34.000 He had a full-ride scholarship and was likely a midwit who, while radicalized, talked a big vocabulary. 0.96

00:44:41.000 It seems like a double negative that they meant to say Are you messing around with us here, wheel impressive?

00:44:46.000 I think they're asking like why why do we have a hard time believing they're real.

00:44:50.000 I didn't say I have a hard time believing they're real.

00:44:52.000 I said they could just I said they could just as easily be from them to establish a backstory.

00:44:57.000 That is just the one out of all the conspiracies that is the one that's They don't seem like normal text messages between two people, but people behave very abnormally when they're trying to get a story straight.

00:45:06.000 So it could be them trying to get a story straight, or I also I understand how someone could look at this and say that's weird.

00:45:12.000 That's not how people talk.

00:45:13.000 That's the point that I'm making.

00:45:18.000 Yeah.

00:45:19.000 You know, I you know, it is they are weird though.

00:45:21.000 Yeah.

00:45:21.000 They're definitely weird.

00:45:22.000 Yeah, it could be, but I also know people who try to speak that way to sound eloquent.

00:45:26.000 Yeah, I know people like that too.

00:45:27.000 They'll they'll use the word individual.

00:45:29.000 Yeah.

00:45:29.000 Like there was another individual like what do you oh female you gonna mute some females tonight?

00:45:33.000 Yes.

00:45:34.000 This one individual wouldn't start a fight.

00:45:36.000 Dude, just say guy.

00:45:37.000 Yeah.

00:45:38.000 It was superlative.

00:45:39.000 I don't even think you're using that right.

00:45:41.000 I must.

00:45:42.000 What?

00:45:43.000 Next chat.

00:45:44.000 You mustn't.

00:45:45.000 Next chat from next chat from making your job very hard.

00:45:52.000 Next chat from L Upton.

00:45:54.000 The most bizarre conspiracy theory I've seen by gay tards on X is that it was an AI-generated hoax to blame trans culture. 1.00

00:46:01.000 I don't believe that, of course.

00:46:02.000 Have you all heard that one?

00:46:04.000 Uh I saw some of that effect, but here's here's the takeaway from that.

00:46:07.000 The left is thrilled to see you guys jump in the gun and saying the Jews are conspiracies. 0.99

00:46:13.000 Anything that takes the heat off of the Frankenstein monster, they created.

00:46:18.000 Right?

00:46:18.000 Let's let we all have to objectively agree.

00:46:20.000 The best thing for the left would be to be able to claim this person is not one of us.

00:46:26.000 And those out there who are jumping to misinformation or making drawing these conclusions from some spotty information, you are doing a favor to the left.

00:46:39.000 That is irrefutable.

00:46:40.000 It's also too obscure, I think, if that was if that was the intention.

00:46:43.000 Yeah.

00:46:43.000 If the intention was to make you think it was uh you know the responsibility of the trans community, then I think that you would try to imply that this person was trans themselves.

00:46:51.000 Right.

00:46:51.000 Uh banging away.

00:46:53.000 Yeah, as opposed to just having gay sex with a woman.

00:46:56.000 Yeah.

00:46:56.000 Exactly.

00:46:57.000 Well, one does.

00:46:58.000 Well one does.

00:46:59.000 I must engage in sodomy with a woman with the picker. 1.00

00:47:05.000 If my wife uses a strap on, is that gay sex with a woman? 1.00

00:47:07.000 I I don't think I the thing is it is changing the dynamics.

00:47:10.000 You're the one being entered.

00:47:11.000 You're the one being entered.

00:47:12.000 I'm still good, right?

00:47:13.000 Finger, remote control, you're fine.

00:47:14.000 Strap on no. 0.53

00:47:15.000 Next chip.

00:47:16.000 It's a universal remote.

00:47:17.000 Does that matter?

00:47:19.000 Changing the base on your sound system.

00:47:21.000 It's a PlayStation 5 controller.

00:47:22.000 Does that matter?

00:47:24.000 Just beat Grand Theft Auto.

00:47:25.000 All right.

00:47:26.000 All right.

00:47:26.000 Next chat from Mr. Never misses.

00:47:30.000 Question for crew.

00:47:31.000 Opinions on the Amazon book that was published a day prior to the shooting.

00:47:34.000 Alex Jones reported on it and has me genuinely concerned.

00:47:38.000 I saw it, but I wasn't able to verify that this was a real thing.

00:47:43.000 Uh after you publish something and change the cover arcs.

00:47:46.000 Yeah.

00:47:46.000 Something totally different.

00:47:47.000 That's what I saw, and that seemed to be the most reasonable explanation.

00:47:50.000 What did it say?

00:47:51.000 It was something it was it was basically blatant.

00:47:54.000 It was called uh tr the death of Charlie Kirk.

00:47:56.000 The shooting of Charlie.

00:47:58.000 It's called like the shooting of Charlie Kirk.

00:47:59.000 And why I remember seeing that had like one review or something like that, if any at all, and it was like the day before, and that would be very easy to do for someone who wants to again.

00:48:09.000 Okay.

00:48:09.000 You need to can someone bring that up that the antifa strategy of divide in Concord, that they want to divide the right.

00:48:14.000 Uh there was a report on that.

00:48:14.000 Um someone could bring that up where they said they want to divide and drive a wedge between the right.

00:48:18.000 And so this would be really effective if if we actually unified and agreed that we are facing a threat that we are being hunted by not radical leftists, the modern left.

00:48:30.000 If we could all come together and agree on that rather than fight over the Jews, or whoever it is, we would be far more effective. 0.69

00:48:38.000 So again, you have to use the logic part of your brain.

00:48:41.000 Would the left prefer it if we divided over this and created factions then recognizing the actual threat that seems most reasonable because they were celebrating it?

00:48:51.000 Like for crying out loud, people make and I get it.

00:48:53.000 Dancing Israelis, 9-11.

00:48:55.000 I understand where you're coming from.

00:48:57.000 Dancing whole half the country, guys.

00:49:01.000 Call it 20%.

00:49:05.000 Next chat.

00:49:06.000 All right.

00:49:06.000 This one was titled Here's the Big One.

00:49:08.000 Chris Hodge 76.

00:49:10.000 Is all this engineered chaos preparing the world for the mark of the beast?

00:49:13.000 Oh boy.

00:49:14.000 One digital ID, total identity and access control.

00:49:17.000 They don't want your consent.

00:49:18.000 They want you to beg for it.

00:49:20.000 Let me just answer let me ask this.

00:49:22.000 How keep that up, please, Noodles, for a second, because my brain hurts.

00:49:26.000 And I don't, and again, I'm being gracious.

00:49:27.000 Let me ask you this.

00:49:29.000 How would assassinating Charlie Kirk, which would galvanize the right?

00:49:35.000 Obviously, the largest concentration of Christians in the world will be the American right, who oppose digital IDs, identity, uh uh access control, all that. 0.63

00:49:48.000 Like in other words, we would we are the strongest guard against that.

00:49:50.000 How would assassinating an important figurehead to galvanize the right lead us to you think it's going to lead us to all getting Bill Gates microchips or tat getting tramp stamped 666 tattoos?

00:50:03.000 I don't understand it.

00:50:04.000 I don't understand how you get from this horrible event to the beast and the mark of the beast when we would be the most likely to fight it.

00:50:14.000 And they've given us a fighting spirit.

00:50:16.000 This is this has put fight in all of us.

00:50:18.000 Yeah.

00:50:18.000 I mean, I'm trying to make the loosest possible connection in that, okay.

00:50:22.000 Well, if there's chaos and you want to try to find somebody, you want to try to identify the shooter, if they all had tags we could see very clearly where people were at the time of the shooting, there'd be no questions.

00:50:30.000 But that's so loose and thin.

00:50:33.000 Listen, I wouldn't I wouldn't look for that.

00:50:35.000 I wouldn't look for that for the mark of the beast stuff.

00:50:37.000 It's it's not, yes, they want you to beg for it, but read, you know, and this this gets into how you view eschatology, kind of the study of the end times, but if you view it kind of the way that most Protestants do, it's not going to be something like this that causes that.

00:50:48.000 The the chaos in the world is going to be at a level at which you cannot even possibly understand.

00:50:54.000 That's the kind of stuff that makes you go, yeah, this is a great idea.

00:50:57.000 We're going to abandon all principles whatsoever for freedom or speech or anything and do that.

00:51:02.000 But I will say this, I will say this.

00:51:04.000 Um I understand the idea that the spirit of chaos is one of evil because we serve a God of order.

00:51:09.000 So people throwing out conspiracies and accusations with no basis in fact, well, is their spirit more aligned with a God of order or a beast of chaos?

00:51:17.000 You be the judge.

00:51:18.000 Next chat.

00:51:19.000 Uh they did send in the Antifa quote if you wanted to.

00:51:22.000 Oh, let me see it.

00:51:22.000 Yeah.

00:51:23.000 Uh so they said it's from the uh Corvallis Oregon branch.

00:51:27.000 So one possibly useful wedge issue on this context is Israel. 0.80

00:51:31.000 Antifascists must work to find more creative ways to counter this political move moment.

00:51:35.000 Yeah.

00:51:35.000 The counter this political moment and try and drive a wedge.

00:51:38.000 Yeah.

00:51:38.000 So um divide and conquer.

00:51:39.000 And that's one of those what the left does.

00:51:41.000 That's what they they do it out in the open with identity politics.

00:51:43.000 They're trying to turn the right into a subfaction of identity politics.

00:51:47.000 Right.

00:51:48.000 Just to be clear.

00:51:48.000 Trevor Burrus, and unfortunately, there's just too many useful willing idiots out there doing the job.

00:51:54.000 And we're not talking about people who criticize the government, the largely secular government of Israel who have taken us for granted in many instances.

00:52:00.000 We're not talking about that.

00:52:01.000 That's entirely reasonable.

00:52:02.000 We're talking about people saying the only logical conclusion is that the Jews killed Charlie Kirk.

00:52:07.000 Next chat.

00:52:07.000 All right.

00:52:08.000 Next chat from Mulgara 85.

00:52:10.000 How do we go about responding to people who say the shooter was a grouper or whatever?

00:52:14.000 What?

00:52:14.000 I know Keith Olbermann was saying that.

00:52:16.000 To be fair, he is a faggot. 1.00

00:52:18.000 You answered your own question.

00:52:19.000 That's true.

00:52:20.000 It's uh again, here's the thing.

00:52:22.000 You would have to disbelieve the mother, you would have to disbelieve friends, the father, you would have to disbelieve the record, uh including I I guess some people uh maybe there's some chats that we haven't seen, but there are again have been communications that can be verified.

00:52:37.000 You would have to disbelieve uh the texts, all of it.

00:52:40.000 You would have to disbelieve all of that, and then present more compelling evidence of this person being a griper, for which there is none. 0.80

00:52:47.000 For which there is none.

00:52:48.000 There's tons of evidence countering that.

00:52:51.000 Tons.

00:52:52.000 As a matter of fact, all of it.

00:52:53.000 Yes.

00:52:53.000 There is none to support it.

00:52:55.000 And so instead of saying, like, and not that you're saying this, but instead of people on the right going, oh, actually this, which by the way you're getting now because some people who are fans of Nick Fuentes feel like he turned on them.

00:53:04.000 Right.

00:53:04.000 So they're trying, the gripers themselves are trying to provide this going, we're at now ex-gripers, so let's destroy the reputation of the gripers.

00:53:10.000 That's the problem with trolling just for fun and having no anchor to the truth whatsoever.

00:53:16.000 And I mean that, you see that a lot.

00:53:17.000 You see that a lot, unfortunately, in this movement where people are chasing clicks.

00:53:21.000 Um, there is no evidence of that.

00:53:22.000 Uh I don't know why, for somebody who all the evidence points to he believes that Charlie Kirk was hateful, which of course he is not, he would therefore automatically be identified with a more hateful group, quote unquote.

00:53:33.000 Well, and the Grippers I don't even think would have much of a problem, if any, with Charlie Kirk, other than his position on Israel, but you could see Well no, they did have a huge problem with Charlie Kirk.

00:53:40.000 Well, no, I mean let me let me make the case.

00:53:42.000 You could see his position on Israel at the very least moderating.

00:53:45.000 And so if that was the main sticking point with them, his position was moderating.

00:53:49.000 There was plenty of evidence of him going, hey, listen, the people around me right now, the people that I talk to every day, there's not a lot of support for Israel.

00:53:54.000 Yeah.

00:53:55.000 And any time we try to bring that up and have a conversation when he brought Dave Smith on to debate the guy at the TPA, Like I don't think they would have been peak pissed off at him right now.

00:54:03.000 Think about this for a second.

00:54:05.000 Think about this.

00:54:06.000 The story that is honestly clearly most likely a radicalized trans person by radical, it's been a leftist trans person who's mentally ill, gay, uh sorry, gay with a trans lover, right? 0.50

00:54:20.000 On camera, carried out this assassination, there's plenty of evidence of it.

00:54:23.000 Okay.

00:54:24.000 That's the most likely.

00:54:25.000 Outside of that, and you have people who will die on this hill.

00:54:28.000 You have people who 100% believe it was the groupers, and then others who say, no, no, no, no.

00:54:36.000 It was the Jews. 0.99

00:54:40.000 Come on, guys, use your head.

00:54:42.000 Next chat.

00:54:43.000 Next chat from Hamiltank.

00:54:45.000 Question for the crew.

00:54:46.000 What about the five or six X accounts stating Charlie will be killed the day before it happened?

00:54:51.000 Well, uh, again, some of those have been faked.

00:54:53.000 Yeah.

00:54:53.000 Just to be clear.

00:54:54.000 Some of them, the ones that are more alluding to something big may happen.

00:54:58.000 Um, I think those people are being investigated.

00:55:01.000 In other words, we don't know right now if people knew about it.

00:55:03.000 We don't know if anyone did.

00:55:04.000 That is a possibility.

00:55:05.000 That's not a conspiracy because even those in intelligence have said we're looking into that.

00:55:09.000 But I will tell you this.

00:55:10.000 Um when I would do uh, you know, stand-up shows or the one time a change of mind was announced beforehand, you would find tons of comments like that, like, oh, it's gonna be a big day on campus, oh there'll be fireworks, it's gonna be lit.

00:55:23.000 If you see all these other events that Charlie Kirk did, you'll you'll you look.

00:55:26.000 Right.

00:55:27.000 You'll find messages like that.

00:55:28.000 It's the old saying, you know, a broken clock is right twice a day.

00:55:31.000 Right.

00:55:32.000 Yeah.

00:55:32.000 I mean, people make predictions, uh, bold predictions all the time.

00:55:36.000 Yeah.

00:55:36.000 All it takes is for it to actually happen for people to go, oh, see, somebody knew.

00:55:40.000 They knew something.

00:55:41.000 And by the way, if uh the clock only uh keeps military time, it's only right once a day.

00:55:46.000 And I found that out because I got a new keeps military time, it's probably wrong all the time.

00:55:49.000 Yeah, yeah, probably.

00:55:50.000 Well, I found that out the hard way.

00:55:51.000 I got one of those natural wake clocks that like does a sunrise.

00:55:54.000 Yeah.

00:55:55.000 And it kept going off at night.

00:55:57.000 Really?

00:55:58.000 And then I realized because I I put I'm like, I put it in the right way, AMP for the alarm, but then I find out that the alarm is a twelve hour cycle, but the actual clock itself is a military 24 hour does military time.

00:56:10.000 So you can only set an alarm between, you know, midnight and eleven fifty-nine.

00:56:15.000 But you can only set the daily clock, you have to go like 1730.

00:56:19.000 So, anyways, it messed me up for many days.

00:56:21.000 I was like, That's a shitty clock.

00:56:25.000 Screw you, Phillips.

00:56:28.000 Next little thing is.

00:56:30.000 I haven't liked you since Clockboy.

00:56:32.000 Can't wait to see the response.

00:56:33.000 Yeah.

00:56:33.000 Like, hey.

00:56:34.000 All right.

00:56:36.000 Of course we lose Radio Shaq, now we lose Crowder's endorsement.

00:56:39.000 We can't get anything right.

00:56:41.000 All right, next chat from Bolt Blaze.

00:56:44.000 I'd love to hear some debunking of white supremacy even being right wing.

00:56:47.000 Yeah, it's not.

00:56:52.000 So did Robert Spencer.

00:56:53.000 He stayed home.

00:56:54.000 That's where he stayed.

00:56:55.000 Yeah.

00:56:55.000 Democrat Party.

00:56:56.000 Oh, and by the way, to tell you about uh how awful these people are, white supremacists who want to destroy the right.

00:57:02.000 Uh David Duke one time faked, or at least reposted on X, a fake interview with me saying, like, gas the Jews, kill the he was a he said, Oh, Stephen Crowder is way too radical for me.

00:57:12.000 And there were there were pictures of me with a swastika, just to be clear, neck tattoo right here, and back then in the days of Jack Dorsey, and it was they they were attributing quotes to me as a neo-Nazi.

00:57:23.000 And I said, Hey, by the way, this is like this is actually like dishonest.

00:57:26.000 It's slandered.

00:57:27.000 It's and this is a fake interview.

00:57:28.000 They said it wasn't a violation of their policies on X. So those people, those neo-Nazis, they they there is no one who white supremacists hate more than the right.

00:57:36.000 Let me tell you why.

00:57:38.000 Take the extreme version of people who want to say that you're paid by the Jews if you simply say, I don't think it's very reasonable to say that Charlie Kirk was killed by the Jews.

00:57:45.000 Right.

00:57:45.000 That same dynamic, who do you think the white supremacists are more mad at?

00:57:50.000 The Democrats who out in the open are identity politics, or the people who they view as the huge failures, the Republicans who have allowed it to proliferate, right?

00:58:00.000 They hate Republicans.

00:58:01.000 Also, if you look at neo-Nazis, they do, actual neo-Nazis, not just white supremacists, they do adhere to the ideals of the nationalist socialist workers' party, where they believe that all of our uh social safety nets and benefits and welfare programs would work, and we would be able to help Americans if not for the drain of Brown and black people. 1.00

00:58:23.000 This is not a secret.

00:58:24.000 It is well known.

00:58:25.000 The most notable um white supremacists out there have endorsed Democrats, Hate Donald Trump, and their actual ideology is still that of socialists.

00:58:35.000 It just doesn't work with minorities. 0.90

00:58:37.000 So anyone who just says white, uh it's like when they say fascism is right wing.

00:58:42.000 I guess Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin were not fascist.

00:58:45.000 But no, no, they're communists.

00:58:46.000 Yeah, but it meets both.

00:58:48.000 It meets both.

00:58:49.000 It's the problem is it was it's it was defined that way.

00:58:51.000 Right.

00:58:52.000 By the way.

00:58:52.000 It was defined whenever it was defined.

00:58:55.000 I don't know when fascism was defined, but I I can't think of any time earlier than you know, World War II.

00:59:01.000 I don't know when the word was defined, but in the definition it says a right wing.

00:59:04.000 So it's like it's a right wing version of Mao and Pol Pod and communist dictators. 0.81

00:59:10.000 The Nazis versus the Stalinists, it's it's a f it's a family feud. 0.56

00:59:14.000 Yes.

00:59:14.000 That's really they're they're far, far closer together than they would be with the United States and at that point, you know, Britain.

00:59:21.000 Yeah.

00:59:21.000 Richard Spencer, not Robert.

00:59:23.000 Oh, sorry.

00:59:23.000 No, yeah.

00:59:23.000 So I'm sorry, Robert Spencer is actually a great author.

00:59:25.000 He uh great Arthur, great author.

00:59:27.000 He wrote um the politically incorrect guide to the Crusades.

00:59:31.000 I apologize.

00:59:32.000 Richard, not me.

00:59:33.000 I don't go down with the ship.

00:59:35.000 Come on, guys.

00:59:35.000 That's an easy mistake to make.

00:59:36.000 Robert, Richard Spencer, basic white guy's names, they start with an R and Spencer is the last name.

00:59:41.000 But I deserve it.

00:59:42.000 Next chap.

00:59:42.000 All right, next chapter from Talen Rain.

00:59:45.000 Question for the crew.

00:59:46.000 People like being entertained and conspiracy theories are, if nothing else, entertaining.

00:59:50.000 True.

00:59:51.000 Is this the main reason for these conspiracy theories, or is there something else going on?

00:59:55.000 Uh it's uh it's a good question.

00:59:57.000 It's a little of both, in my opinion, is they are entertaining.

01:00:02.000 Uh I also think that people have realized that many conspiracies in the past have proven to be true.

01:00:08.000 Uh because a lot of people don't trust anything, as certainly as it relates to our institutions, and I I would say rightfully so after COVID.

01:00:14.000 Um and then there are people where it's okay.

01:00:20.000 Uh and I don't want to just pat ourselves on the back here or the research team on the back here.

01:00:25.000 Uh what we do today, what we did is very difficult.

01:00:29.000 It's very difficult.

01:00:30.000 It requires a lot of legwork.

01:00:31.000 And it requires not only a lot of, okay, uh bringing in aggregating facts, it requires looking at them critically and in a perfect world in a way that is consistent, consistent logically, and consistent ideologically to draw a more likely than not conclusion.

01:00:51.000 Conspiracy theories, the ones that always point one direction, it absolves the consumer of all of that.

01:00:59.000 Right?

01:01:00.000 It's like, okay, so how do we get to the Jews? 0.94

01:01:02.000 Or, all right, how do we get to insert whatever boogeyman here?

01:01:07.000 How do we get to the blacks? 1.00

01:01:08.000 How do we get to in some cases?

01:01:10.000 The answer is yes.

01:01:11.000 In many cases, it's not.

01:01:12.000 So it's a lot easier.

01:01:14.000 In other words, the people doing that, I guarantee you, if you look at their timelines, they have jumped on many, many leads that were false because they don't want to have to think critically.

01:01:25.000 And for me, I will tell you this, n none of these things, let's say any of these were true.

01:01:30.000 It does not shatter my worldview.

01:01:32.000 Let's say, let's say that everything else was planted, it was fake, the ring footage and TMZ is in on it, and all the witnesses there are in on it, and everyone at TPSA, TP USA is a paid Jewish show. 0.85

01:01:43.000 Okay, let's assume all of that.

01:01:44.000 And let's assume there's no track record, there's no background, there's no father, mother who say this guy was radicalized, there's no video game communities, there's no channel.

01:01:51.000 Let's assume that all of that was for years backfilled by the Jews. 0.99

01:01:56.000 All right.

01:01:58.000 And then let's assume that Charlie Kirk was becoming more and more critical of the Jews in general, not the Israeli government or their policy, but in general was turning toward becoming more of a groiper type. 0.98

01:02:09.000 And so he was assassinated by Mossad.

01:02:12.000 Let's assume all of that.

01:02:13.000 In no way does that shatter my worldview at all.

01:02:19.000 It is not incongruent with my worldview.

01:02:21.000 Okay, wow, that's that's awful, and that's a declaration of war.

01:02:24.000 If all of those things are not true, it shatters the fundamental worldview of people who want to blame everything.

01:02:32.000 Not some things, everything on the Jews.

01:02:35.000 So we don't suffer the same consequences.

01:02:38.000 The truth does not create the same consequential ripple effect for people who think critically and do their due diligence as it does for someone who needs the same villain every time.

01:02:49.000 In other words, they have nowhere to go from there.

01:02:52.000 So what do they do?

01:02:53.000 They go into the next one.

01:02:54.000 They go into the next one, and hope you forget.

01:02:56.000 We go the same direction we've been going.

01:03:00.000 It doesn't change anything.

01:03:01.000 There are new villains and bad actors all the time.

01:03:04.000 No, that's absolutely true about those creating or or starting the talk of these conspiracy theories.

01:03:09.000 But uh the question is a good question.

01:03:11.000 People do like to be entertained.

01:03:12.000 Sure.

01:03:12.000 And a lot of people out there, they fancy themselves uh, you know, uh shaggy and Scooby-Doo.

01:03:16.000 Right.

01:03:17.000 They oh it's a mystery.

01:03:18.000 I want to I want to try to figure out that ooh, that makes sense.

01:03:21.000 It's all these oh moments, you know.

01:03:23.000 But if it's always the oh that leads to one thing and you find out that one thing isn't true, oh my God, you have a really that's a tough reckoning with your own brain.

01:03:32.000 We don't have that.

01:03:33.000 We really don't.

01:03:34.000 I really want the truth, and I've told you what I believe to be most likely.

01:03:38.000 People telling you 100%, people say it's 100%, it's Mossad.

01:03:42.000 Change one thing.

01:03:43.000 Let's say it is a foreign actor.

01:03:44.000 Let's say it's the French. 0.76

01:03:45.000 Let's say it's Qatar.

01:03:48.000 Because Charlie Kirk was very critical on them and China.

01:03:52.000 Why are they not in the mix if we're talking about that?

01:03:55.000 I tend to think that life is way less exciting than we'd like it to be.

01:03:58.000 Yeah, in many instances.

01:03:59.000 And yeah, and when it comes to something like this, yeah, I I lean way more towards Yeah, it's just some just some you know messed up trans-loving kid who hated, you know, who believed everything the media told him.

01:04:14.000 Yeah.

01:04:15.000 Yep.

01:04:16.000 And by the way, who is more likely to be radicalized?

01:04:19.000 Someone by the Israeli government, or someone uh to be radicalized by all of mainstream media, most online media, digital platforms, Hollywood, right?

01:04:30.000 Let's be clear.

01:04:30.000 And his girlfriend.

01:04:31.000 Boyfriend.

01:04:32.000 Yes.

01:04:32.000 I know, I know boyfriend, but to him.

01:04:35.000 Yeah.

01:04:35.000 It's his girlfriend.

01:04:36.000 How many uh how many dumb things did you do?

01:04:38.000 Right.

01:04:38.000 Twenty-two or or younger for a girl.

01:04:41.000 Not that one.

01:04:41.000 No, not we get it.

01:04:44.000 You prefer a bigger Adams app.

01:04:46.000 Yeah, I push the side of penis as I was trying to kiss my girlfriend. 1.00

01:04:49.000 But we've all done dumb.

01:04:50.000 Where do you kiss your girlfriend? 1.00

01:04:51.000 Yeah, where do you think?

01:04:52.000 I gotta get close.

01:04:53.000 Yeah.

01:04:54.000 He's only had a couple, but I know.

01:04:56.000 That's okay.

01:04:56.000 We love him anyway.

01:04:57.000 I think you're missing the point.

01:04:58.000 Yeah, the point.

01:04:59.000 Yeah, I think you're missing the point.

01:05:00.000 The point is that we've all done dumb things for a for a girl, and uh, you know, Romeo did uh he killed himself, or he was I don't know.

01:05:07.000 Yeah, um yeah, there's plenty of examples.

01:05:09.000 I don't think Mark Anthony You think you went down, Josh.

01:05:12.000 Mark Anthony.

01:05:14.000 Mark Anthony, yeah.

01:05:15.000 Mark's he uh gave up uh his empire.

01:05:17.000 Yeah, Mark Anthony, yeah.

01:05:18.000 Not the guy who has sells uh shoes at Kohl's.

01:05:21.000 Okay.

01:05:21.000 Oh next chat.

01:05:22.000 Are you thinking Mark Anthony?

01:05:24.000 Yeah, I'm talking about Mark Anthony, not Mark Anthony.

01:05:27.000 The one who was with J-Lo for a while before she went back to Ben Affleck.

01:05:30.000 Next chapter.

01:05:33.000 Uh my life.

01:05:34.000 I know.

01:05:39.000 Yes, yes, yeah, they will.

01:05:40.000 You know, yeah.

01:05:41.000 Yes.

01:05:41.000 One dog.

01:05:42.000 Correct.

01:05:42.000 Yeah.

01:05:43.000 And she was a filthy whore, that Cleopatra. 1.00

01:05:45.000 Next chat.

01:05:46.000 Next chat from Jonathan Zimmerman.

01:05:49.000 All right.

01:05:49.000 Where do we get the info about the assassin in Minnesota who killed the Hortmans?

01:05:53.000 Everything I find shows that he's a crazy far right winger, and I can't seem to find your guy's sources.

01:05:58.000 Uh there's a post online.

01:06:00.000 Uh maybe we can just bring it up the after the Pierce Morgan hit where he made them publicly available.

01:06:04.000 Um the guy said that that wasn't the reason, and he blamed Tim Walls uh in his own note, and this was a guy, by the way, also more context, was trying to get attention any which way he could with all types of controversial action, so this was the natural escalation.

01:06:20.000 Um there was some infighting too with him in the Democratic Party.

01:06:23.000 He was appointed by Tim Wals.

01:06:24.000 So just because someone may be pro-lifer may have voted Donald.

01:06:29.000 Let me ask you this.

01:06:30.000 Everyone here at conservative, right?

01:06:31.000 Let's say someone here uh smokes too much PCP, comes in and shoots me in this chair.

01:06:38.000 Gerald is most likely, let's be honest.

01:06:40.000 Come on.

01:06:40.000 Dang it.

01:06:40.000 Let's say he does it.

01:06:41.000 Does that mean it's political violence because he voted for Donald Trump?

01:06:44.000 No.

01:06:45.000 So i No, and if it was, then we consider a lot more things to be political violence.

01:06:50.000 Yeah.

01:06:51.000 We would consider that guy on the on the bus to be political violence.

01:06:54.000 We would consider any gang shooting.

01:06:56.000 We consider any, you know, personal vendetta.

01:06:59.000 The truth is if you were to do violence carried out just by party affiliation, meaning just by the registration or how they vote, it'd probably be 90% Democrat because of the gang violence.

01:07:09.000 Yeah.

01:07:09.000 Yeah, it probably would.

01:07:11.000 So uh yeah, and we provided those sources uh there publicly.

01:07:13.000 He's sending the letter now.

01:07:14.000 He's saying that he was saying he was part of a Tim Walls organized hit.

01:07:19.000 He's he's crazy.

01:07:21.000 Those those the guy for words from our Portman.

01:07:23.000 I always forget the guy's name, but the Hortman's yeah.

01:07:25.000 Horrible person, awful act.

01:07:27.000 Yeah.

01:07:28.000 No one celebrated it.

01:07:30.000 Period.

01:07:30.000 No one spat at the memorial.

01:07:32.000 Uh or what are you looking at?

01:07:34.000 No, I I have the info if you wanted the.

01:07:36.000 Oh, okay, yeah.

01:07:37.000 Yeah, bring it up.

01:07:37.000 And we made this publicly available.

01:07:39.000 Recently I was approached by a project that Tim Wall.

01:07:41.000 This is the guy writing.

01:07:41.000 Yes that wanted done and Keith was also aware of the product.

01:07:45.000 Tim wanted me to kill Amy Klobuchar and Tina.

01:07:47.000 Tim wants to be a senator and he doesn't trust to retire as planned and thinks she is going to stay in the last minute with Amy gone.

01:07:53.000 Tim would get one of the gen and to be it makes this it's insanity.

01:07:58.000 He was so he's yeah, he was saying Tim Walls wanted him to kill Amy Klobuch.

01:08:01.000 I don't know.

01:08:01.000 This guy is uh obviously mentally ill.

01:08:03.000 Yes.

01:08:04.000 Yeah, mentally ill and it didn't seem like you he wasn't going out there and you know saying you know, right wing or even you know conservative talking points.

01:08:11.000 It was more of like this crazy rambling and like Tim Walls wanted power in a different way than he had it, or somebody else did, and he was trying to help facilitate that.

01:08:18.000 Yeah, he was just meant to be gay. 0.99

01:08:19.000 Yeah.

01:08:20.000 Well, this is this this is literally the people they'll want you to believe that's right wing violence and say that pulse nightclub shooting was right wing when it's literally ISIS.

01:08:29.000 So, like I I don't know.

01:08:32.000 Yeah, where does yeah, where does Islam fall on the ISIS?

01:08:35.000 I certainly wouldn't fall.

01:08:36.000 I would because I would classify them as uh I guess as religious fundamentalists.

01:08:42.000 Yeah.

01:08:42.000 I are they are is a is uh is Islam right or left wing.

01:08:47.000 Well Osama bin Laden endorsed John Kerry.

01:08:50.000 Well, that's one guy.

01:08:51.000 I'm the Al Qaeda did too. 1.00

01:08:53.000 They threatened us and said if you don't vote for John Kerry, then we will blow you up.

01:08:57.000 Same thing.

01:08:57.000 We don't know that if you vote for McCain, we are going to blow you up even more.

01:09:00.000 They constantly issue those threats.

01:09:01.000 They always want us to vote Democrat.

01:09:03.000 They always do, but also the New York Post, it looks like reported on this and so this is it's July twelfth at twenty you know, twenty twenty-five, like this year, obviously.

01:09:11.000 So I think it's a pretty clear J House interview, it didn't involve Trump stuff or pro life.

01:09:16.000 Yeah, that's from the New York Party.

01:09:17.000 I mean, how do you how do how did they get away with it?

01:09:19.000 Let's say Hassans of the world out there get away with going on and say, well, what about the Hortmans? 1.00

01:09:25.000 Well, what about these guys?

01:09:26.000 Let's at the very least say, okay, let's say that's gray area.

01:09:29.000 Okay, you know what?

01:09:29.000 You guys, and here's the thing.

01:09:30.000 They already registered that as as right wing violence.

01:09:33.000 That's already in the Cato chart, right?

01:09:35.000 In the Economist chart.

01:09:36.000 Uh I don't know about the new ADL, it's even worse.

01:09:39.000 So let's say, all right, put that on our ledger.

01:09:42.000 Why is we got a Trump supporter here?

01:09:44.000 Bang, bang, not.

01:09:47.000 That's clearly more outlined than this.

01:09:52.000 It's not even close.

01:09:53.000 And why is burning down buildings, Wendy's, CVS, police precincts, why is that not political violence?

01:09:59.000 I would 100% classify the Hortman murder as political violence.

01:10:04.000 But why not burning down a precinct?

01:10:07.000 Yeah.

01:10:07.000 How many deaths during COVID?

01:10:09.000 Uh during not COVID, sorry.

01:10:10.000 Um the the love.

01:10:13.000 Summer of love.

01:10:13.000 It was during COVID, but yeah.

01:10:14.000 It was yeah, that's why I confused.

01:10:16.000 But uh how many dead?

01:10:17.000 I think it was like 30.

01:10:18.000 Actually, you know what?

01:10:19.000 I'd be very curious.

01:10:20.000 The Dallas PD assassinations.

01:10:22.000 Oh, good.

01:10:24.000 Did they register that as political violence from the left?

01:10:26.000 I don't know.

01:10:26.000 Maybe we can look into that.

01:10:27.000 It's really tough because they're the the uh crosstabs are really hard to get through sometimes and and we've already gone through some of it and found some really interesting things.

01:10:35.000 Yeah, Walkershaw was not.

01:10:36.000 Yeah, Walkershaw was not, there's Trump supporter not.

01:10:38.000 They got pronoun not pronouns, but they did say that the Dallas uh shootings were listed as political.

01:10:43.000 Okay, well, there's listen, look at that one.

01:10:45.000 Well, does that name sound familiar to you?

01:10:46.000 Yeah.

01:10:47.000 Aidan Hale, Audrey Hale.

01:10:48.000 Yeah.

01:10:49.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:10:49.000 They they weren't going to include it, and they would never have included it if not for the work that the investigative journalists did here.

01:10:54.000 They even made a note in Cato to say, even though this one's borderline because the MNPD says it's not.

01:11:00.000 Well, they said it's not because they want to cover their ass because they lied to you.

01:11:04.000 By the way, I can say that because I've said it.

01:11:06.000 They said they would sue me.

01:11:08.000 No word yet.

01:11:09.000 Final chat.

01:11:10.000 All right, final chat.

01:11:11.000 Uh and they w they were trying to point out that it was Aiden instead of Audrey.

01:11:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:11:15.000 Anyways, uh, thank goodness we got the name right.

01:11:17.000 Yeah, because that's the important part, you idiots.

01:11:20.000 Right.

01:11:20.000 Uh all right, final.

01:11:22.000 Final chat from Nicole.

01:11:24.000 Do you think by having eight plus hours of high-ranking government officials proclaiming Jesus uh proclaiming Jesus that we will see an insurgence of Christian nationalism?

01:11:34.000 Yeah, I think I've known a lot of people who say that, you know, I read my Bible for the first time or I went to church for the first time and churches were packed.

01:11:40.000 Um I think that's a great legacy for for um Charlie Kirk to have left and for his family to see.

01:11:45.000 And and I know I mean I'm no doubt that um Mrs. Kirk will make sure that their children knew who their father was.

01:11:52.000 Um by default, I mean pe people have used Christian nationalism as though it's a bad word.

01:11:58.000 It's not.

01:11:59.000 What it means is that this Is a Christian nation, and we take great pride in this nation being a Christian nation.

01:12:04.000 And you know what?

01:12:05.000 Think about this for a second.

01:12:06.000 Let's say that ever so Christianity, yes. 0.99

01:12:09.000 Christian nationalism, I would also say yes, but not in the way the left defines it.

01:12:14.000 Christian nationalism means that you can get two hundred thousand people at a stadium, a record number of people and overflow.

01:12:26.000 To get together, sing hymns, celebrate the life of a man who was assassinated in cold blood, and the evil, fundamental, hateful Christian nationalist's wife, Miss Erica Kirk, can talk about forgiving the killer. 0.53

01:12:46.000 So if that's some Christian nationalism, guess what?

01:12:49.000 I think a lot of Americans are saying, All right, sign me up.

01:12:53.000 Now I'm different.

01:12:55.000 I do believe in forgiveness.

01:12:56.000 But I also want to be really clear.

01:12:58.000 Protect yourself, protect your own.

01:13:00.000 Because that's Christian nationalism too.

01:13:01.000 It's a nation, a Christian nation, if you can keep it. 0.99

01:13:04.000 Sorry we went long.

01:13:06.000 We're gonna send you on, I believe, to Russell Brand uh today, and uh we'll see you tomorrow.

01:13:11.000 Let us know if this was helpful.

01:13:15.000 I hope that you get inside yourself that in hell of big screw you, tell the robins.

Louder with Crowder - September 22, 2025

🔴 Charlie Kirk Conspiracies Spread Like Wildfire: What's Really Going On? 2025-09-22 18:06

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