After Charlie Kirk was shot and killed in the Hamptons, conspiracy theories have swirled around his death. Candace Owens and others have suggested that it could have been the work of the Jewish people, the Jews, or even the French government.
00:00:13.000That was a little of it just to send some of the Jews way.
00:00:16.000Now, of course, uh Candace Owens, and this is again not an indictment.
00:00:21.000I some people may be genuine, some people may be operating with information that is incomplete, and there are some people who may be pushing false information.
00:00:29.000And it may be a little column A, column B, column C. Candace Owens, of course, is one of the more mainstream voices, or one who is mainstreaming this idea that Charlie Kirk was taken out by in one capacity or another, uh, them Jews.
00:00:45.000In the Hamptons, and he had um more than one event, but he had uh essentially what was staged, an intervention was staged by Bill Ackman.
00:00:59.000Because Charlie's thoughts, Charlie's rational thoughts about Israel were a no-no.
00:01:06.000This is this is not the route that you should be going on.
00:01:10.000And Charlie was surrounded by his friends, it's quote unquote friends.
00:01:14.000Uh Bill Ackman was very upset and threats were made.
00:01:21.000Now we've already addressed that because Bill Ackman did address it, the producers did address it, and of course, we showed some of the clips where Charlie Kirk was critical of those representatives telling him that he couldn't even question some uh Israeli policy as far as government.
00:01:34.000All of that we covered in uh an episode last week.
00:01:47.000The next receipt will be whether it's red or not.
00:01:50.000As a completely by the way, completely as an aside here, I don't want to go down the rabbit hole, but who here had uh a head of state, head of state in the front, Miss McCron having to show her snatch in court to prove that she's a woman in a lawsuit against Candace Owens on their political bingo card this year.
00:02:36.000Um but you have to, again, look at everything that we have the what we know, the time, the history, the backlog of this person being radicalized.
00:02:46.000Which, and I I want to be very clear here.
00:03:41.000I see more than 50% of the left justifying it in some capacity, according to the recent Ugov poll.
00:03:46.000So the simplest explanation is wouldn't the group of people, many, many tens of millions in this country who were gleefully celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk be most in line with the person who carried it out.
00:04:01.000It doesn't seem implausible to me at all.
00:04:03.000As a matter of fact, it seems heartbreakingly predictable, and that we saw this coming in one capacity or another.
00:04:11.000And this theory, to many, is is ridiculous to even the point uh that Nick Fuentes himself, who is not known as a huge fan of the Jews, said this can't be taken seriously.
00:04:48.000I, who fought Charlie Kirk because he was pro-Israel, and being said to are I'm being sad to be covering up that he was killed for this miraculous conversion.
00:05:04.000If Ben Shapiro was taken out next, and I God forbid, would Israel be behind that too?
00:05:13.000I mean, that would be equally ridiculous.
00:05:15.000If it was Ben Shapiro on Wednesday, people would be saying Israel did it.
00:05:19.000Shapiro was about to become a national socialist.
00:05:27.000I don't want to say a little bit of a taste of his own medicine because you know people were said to me, like people have told me that my grandparents were in were were cousins because I'm an inbred Ashkenazi.
00:05:38.000I mean, here's the thing, and this is not to insult the Ashkenazi Jews.
00:05:45.000No, neither do I. But when you have Dave Smith, Daryl Cooper, and Nick Fuentes sounding like the voice of reason on Israel, you're like, wait a minute.
00:06:16.000Um, you could honestly, if you're gonna say, hey, an international uh agency being involved, you could argue the French would have more of a vested interest in destroying the voice of someone who is anti-socialist in this country, has been descending into socialism for many, many decades.
00:06:32.000I want to be very clear as well, Miss Erica Kirk, Mrs. Erica Kirk, please don't hang me on if I say miss, Mrs. Erica Kirk is going to be discussing uh these claims on uh the the show with uh Alex Clark at TPUSA, I believe that's later this evening, I think it's 6 p.m.
00:06:46.000It's it's called apothecary, I think the show.
00:06:48.000So Miss Erica Kirk will be there addressing this.
00:06:52.000And I also know that many people out there, there's nothing they will say, well, she's compromised, she has to say this.
00:07:38.000I don't want to get into some kind of uh urinating contest.
00:07:41.000I just think that like many of you, they have some information that uh all of us sort of assume to be true.
00:07:46.000And then once you do some digging and search, you find out it's based on nothing.
00:07:51.000But this idea that there is no way the shooter could have assembled the gun on the roof, then disassembled it, gotten off the roof, and reassembled it before throwing it into the woods because a screwdriver was left on the roof.
00:08:06.000So this is the disassembling, reassembling gun, and it's used as a linchpin for some of the conspiracies out there.
00:08:12.000So what the FBI is also telling you is that he reassembled the rifle before he dumped it in the bushes as he's fleeing the scene of a murder.
00:08:20.000How'd he reassemble the rifle if he accidentally left his screwdriver up on the roof?
00:08:25.000And you're seeing this all over X, um, people echoing this.
00:08:41.000As a matter of fact, can we roll that footage again of him jumping off the rooftop?
00:08:45.000The story, whether you believe it or not, the story that has been told is that he assembled the rifle, put it back together.
00:08:52.000There's some debate over whether it was a scope or actually the rifle itself.
00:08:55.000It kind of can be separated into two main components to simplify uh this.
00:09:00.000I know there'll be some uh uh gun autists out there who will argue, but you know what I'm saying.
00:09:04.000It looks like he jumps off this roof with a rifle in a towel that seems to be fully assembled, and there's nothing unreasonable about that.
00:09:35.000But I am finding and you guys can let me know if there's something official from the intelligence community, because again, I've said they've done a horrible job.
00:09:42.000If they're putting that out there, then they deserve to be called on it because that makes this whole thing far less believable as a story.
00:09:49.000I'm not seeing anywhere that he disassembled, reassembled on the roof, and then disassembled it again.
00:09:56.000Which actually means I'm I want to jump to another conspiracy because it ties into that.
00:09:59.000So if you guys can follow me here, um, it is the uh outfit change.
00:10:04.000So uh we'll call it number three, but it's actually number four.
00:10:08.000Because in combination, these two have been used to suggest well, how did he do all this?
00:10:14.000Changing outfits, assembling a gun, shooting, disassembling the gun, changing an outfit on the roof, then jumping off, changing outfits, reasset like.
00:10:26.000This is a game of telephone where people hear the perverted, the bastardized version of telephone, and then go, wow, well, that doesn't seem reasonable.
00:10:53.000Um this is a post on X. This is how stupid they think you are.
00:10:56.000Charlie Kirk shooter wore one set of clothes to the shooting, quote, changed clothes on the roof before he fled, quote, without being seen on camera changing, and then changed clothes at home after he fled, just before he hanged, I think means changed his clothes again.
00:11:42.000According to what I have seen and the footage, there are only two outfits.
00:11:47.000And the only change that would have needed to take place would have been between that outfit number one, 807 a.m. and 1149.
00:12:01.000And then maybe one outfit change if that Dairy Queen photo is proven to be correct within the span of seven hours or so.
00:12:10.000But we're only really looking at this record here and seeing two changes.
00:12:15.000And they justify this theory from this this clip.
00:12:19.000Utah governor, who I believe misspoke, just as I did earlier, as we often do, saying, Yeah, you know, the one outfit and then the other outfit changed, you know, on the roof, saying the different outfit on the roof.
00:12:30.000When he's first spotted on campus, he has different clothing on, and then he changes clothing on the roof and then changed back into that clothing at some point so that when when he was uh when he was apprehended when he when he was arrested, um the clothing matched the clothing he had on before the shooting here at UVU.
00:12:58.000When he's first spotted on campus, he has different clothing on, and then he changes clothing on the roof and then changed back into that clothing at some point so that when when he was uh when he was apprehended when he when he was arrested, uh the clothing matched the clothing he had on before the shooting here.
00:13:33.000It's not a direct quote saying we know that he changed his outfit on the roof.
00:13:36.000He's saying you see the different, the different uh outfit that you saw when he was on the roof, versus the earliest that we have at 8 a.m.
00:13:43.000So and it's very clear that that's what he's trying to say.
00:13:46.000We we played that, but when we saw him on that same ring camera at about 1149, 1150, he was in the same clothing that he ended up taking the shot with.
00:13:54.000It seems very yeah, we can't confirm exactly, but let's play that again.
00:14:14.000Relatively flowing pants, whatever you want to say, and then show clip shooter jump V3.
00:14:20.000Which again, yeah, please doesn't look to be any different of an outfit.
00:14:25.000And certainly does not look like the outfit that he was wearing at 8078.
00:14:29.000Which was like shorts and I think a different colored shirt, too.
00:14:32.000So unless you are taking that clip of that governor saying that as literally he changed in outfit on the roof, you only need to understand for the official story, whether you accept it or not, is that at 807 he had one outfit, and he changed outfits at some point between 8.07 a.m. and 1149 a.m. until he carried out the shooting and ran away.
00:15:24.000You would have to make an intellectually inconsistent leap to say, no, no, no, I believe 100% that he changed outfit.
00:15:31.000That's an the story that he disassembled, reassembled, and changed out.
00:15:35.000How could he disassemble the rifle on the roof, change outfits and jump off that fast?
00:15:40.000Well, it doesn't look like the rifle was disassembled when he jumped off, and it doesn't look like his outfit was any different than he walked up with a rifle in an outfit and jumped off in the same outfit with a rifle in a towel.
00:15:57.000I don't trust our intelligence agencies, and I think that the FBI has done a horrible job in communicating this, and they could put a lot of this to bed.
00:16:03.000But all of that honestly seems like the most reasonable course of action for someone doing this.
00:16:25.000Um and again, if you look at shootings or you look at people carrying out crime, the first thing they do is change outfits once they're away from the scene of the crime.
00:17:42.000Um, it's not an uncommon caliber for for hunting.
00:17:45.000I mean, I have plenty of relatives who've hunted with 30 aught six and killed many deer.
00:17:49.000Um, and usually it leaves a very large exit wound.
00:17:52.000Just as surely, I mean relatives who will tell you that sometimes bullets do weird things, and sometimes there isn't an exit wound, or sometimes the entrance wound, it looks like the deer was hit by a car.
00:18:06.000You run it over with your truck because it was just he just hit it at uh a weird soft tissue angle.
00:18:12.000So this wasn't helped at all by the surgeon who worked on Charlie at the hospital, and there was, I believe, someone who was a producer releasing this on X saying I have permission to do so, where he said his bone was so healthy and the density was so so impressive that he's like the man of steel.
00:18:27.000It should have just gone through and through.
00:18:28.000It likely would have killed those standing behind him too.
00:18:31.000He was talking about how it was a miracle.
00:18:33.000Um First off, if it's a miracle, then you can't re you know, it defies science and reason.
00:18:40.000Um but I again this doesn't seem like super responsible uh it's it's difficult.
00:18:47.000You know, that they have the bullet there.
00:18:49.000And I think what he was trying to say is that you know that uh other people could have been killed behind him if it had gone through the the tent to the back.
00:18:54.000There were people standing back there, they said so it could have gone back there and killed people.
00:18:57.000It's fine to say that, like, but it didn't exit, but you don't have to go into that.
00:19:36.000No, it's not a guaranteed decapitation.
00:19:38.000I think it probably unlikely to decapitate him.
00:19:40.000Uh but you know, Ralski do all kinds of crazy things, depending on how much it's you know, that's the you how many times you hear a doctor say, Oh, it was millimeters away from killing you.
00:19:48.000You were middle millimeters away from surviving.
00:20:05.000And like you were talking about, let's say, you know, a nick, right, would be this where it's because considering how much damage it could do, if it's less than a nick, but let's say just hits the side of the tissue, not the spine, right?
00:20:17.000That could cause one large hole in a gape.
00:20:21.000In that case, you would expect the to find the round somewhere else to have gone through.
00:20:24.000But if he did have, you know, some strong milk drinking bones, then uh could he have that fragment is left behind or if he did have some kind of a plate.
00:20:34.000Right, that could change the we don't know.
00:20:49.000And there have been far more bizarre cases of bullet behavior than this.
00:20:54.000Even though it this is the one thing I would say seems unlikely for it not to have an exit wound.
00:21:01.000And I won't say seems unlikely based on the the damage was so severe, guys, if you w if you watch it.
00:21:07.000No, it wasn't a decapitation, thank God.
00:21:11.000But it was so graphic you'll never unsee it.
00:21:13.000It was immediate blood loss that would lead to instant death.
00:21:17.000Yeah, unless the unless the entry wound was somewhere uh back here, I would I would expect that that would be like basically two an entry and an exit wound making one big hole because of the limited space that it did that it did hit.
00:21:33.000Here's the truth is that um there have been many, many, many witnesses.
00:21:36.000So you would have to believe that many of these people are on the payroll as well, because this has then been used to X the springboard for conspiracies of, of course, second shooter.
00:21:46.000Uh I've even seen some as I've even seen some so crazy as it was an inside job where someone had a detonation device on his lock that yeah, on his lava that shot him in the neck.
00:21:56.000And by the way, I'm not just talking like this is you're talking about millions of people have seen this.
00:22:00.000I've seen people saying, look, they're clearly shot doing hand signals to uh uh uh take part in an inside job.
00:22:14.000They described the shot as a single shot, sounding like a bang or a firecracker.
00:22:19.000Um one uh account Isaac Davis, uh a student there told the New York Times it was definitely noticeable, but it sounded almost like a firecracker.
00:22:29.000Um I do think here the uh this is where the actual report, the medical report, will be of significance.
00:22:50.000Well, that's uh the thing that I've wanted to ask people is like I I understand maybe you have some difficulty with some of the information coming out right now.
00:22:56.000But what's the alternative theory that you have evidence for?
00:23:00.000Not just the fact that you're thinking something else could have happened.
00:23:25.000If people are saying that, um, these are often the same people who were vehemently against Donald Trump uh hitting the nuclear facilities in Iran where there were there was no known collateral damage, right?
00:23:35.000The most effective Well, because we're doing it for Israel.
00:23:39.000If someone says Israel killed Charlie Kirk, that's a declaration of war, and we bomb the shit out of multiple locales as it relates to Israeli government.
00:23:48.000Just so you know, if Israel had anything to do with the assassination of Charlie Kirk, I would be front and center saying we have to declare not they're not our allies.
00:24:04.000And so it's just funny to me that people who claim to want peace and that we don't want to fight wars for Israel are making a declarative statement that in any circumstance would be a declaration of war.
00:24:16.000I don't see how you'd get around that.
00:24:17.000And the other thing is that Netanyahu came out and apologize, not apologize, sorry, they're saying he's trying to cover up by coming out and saying, hey, how bad it is that Charlie Kirk was shot.
00:24:26.000And they're like, well, why would a world leader come out and do that?
00:25:34.000Uh and this is where people are saying that the feds clearly planted a curated text exchange between this shooter and this blatantly homosexual gay trans lover to just try and wrap this all up and in a nice little bow.
00:25:49.000Um, I will say these text messages are suspect at best.
00:25:54.000But that doesn't mean that it's the feds or the Jews.
00:25:57.000Uh this is not something, by the way, that is uncommon where people go, okay, let's get our story straight.
00:27:42.000Hey, really quickly, let me tie these two things together here, right?
00:27:45.000So this line of text messages seems kind of odd.
00:27:47.000It could be of course something that's you know I don't think any of us looked at that and said, Yeah, totally normal conversation between two gay lovers.
00:27:57.000But yeah, do you do you so there is there have been kind of these uh innuendos that maybe there was a larger group associated with this or at least they knew what was going on and maybe they're trying to protect their like a Discord server.
00:28:10.000Do you think the FBI statement that we're all looked at and go, why would you say that?
00:28:13.000Do you think that was to make them feel safe?
00:28:15.000Like, hey, this is just one lone nut that we really haven't tied to any left-wing groups.
00:28:18.000Do you think that's to make sure that these guys don't think, hey, we're on to you?
00:28:22.000Because I I can't think of any other reason that the FBI would release a statement like that right now saying, Well, we can't find any evidence of him being uh, you know, aligned with any left wing groups.
00:28:30.000How do you how do you say that with a straight face?
00:28:32.000I just think they're very imprudent and benefiting.
00:28:34.000I mean, look at Cash Patel, where he he tweeted out, you know, the um I think he said at one point the shooter in custody then said the suspect has been released.
00:29:02.000As far as we know, right now that they know.
00:29:04.000I mean, I think it's getting convoluted and missing misunderstanding.
00:29:08.000I mean, I think Reddit politics is a group because all of them celebrate the murder.
00:29:11.000Honestly, to me, that that's enough to qualify as left-wing violence.
00:29:15.000If a couple of guys in hoods who, by the way, would vote for a socialist if he was white, if that's considered right wing violence, I think people on the biggest political message board on the on the known internet world celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk should count as a group.
00:29:30.000Hey, have you been taking part in this group?
00:29:32.000Have you been celebrating death in this group?
00:29:38.000Well, and so that's another thing that we don't know that I want to make sure, because honestly, now that I think about it, the the two things that I need answers to, I think the most, right?
00:29:45.000I have no problem with a lot of the other things because I think there's plausible explanations.
00:29:49.000The the the caliber and and what happened with the bullet and whether there was an armor that it deflected, I think that question needs to be answered.
00:30:09.000No, I think what he said was he was trying to draw attention to the shooter or something like that.
00:30:13.000No, he he said he said that he was trying to give the shooter time to get away.
00:30:17.000He was not there as a supporter of Charlie Kirk.
00:30:19.000Another neighbor of his actually spoke with Fox News right after it happened.
00:30:23.000The guy that we had on, um, I forget his name, Austin or he came on.
00:30:27.000He was the one that went over, saw that, went over and basically tried to get in front of the camera himself to kind of stop that.
00:30:32.000But the guy had said, yeah, it's a friend of mine, and he's uh yeah, he's sure he's a little angry and sure he's on a little medication.
00:30:37.000Yeah, he's a little crazy, but I don't think he would do this.
00:30:39.000Listen, I don't know how crazy like you could be crazy.
00:30:42.000I don't know that the first thought of anybody who's anti-Charlie Kirk and even wanted to see that happen is to yell as it happens and and say I shot him.
00:30:52.000Maybe I just don't think it'd be the very first thought because I mean you're standing there, you're angry at somebody, let's say I'm angry at you and I'm looking at you and somebody shoot you.
00:30:59.000I don't think the first thing that I would do is go, it was me!
00:31:01.000It was me, so that that guy could get away.
00:31:09.000I think that's uh that's part of putting this thing to bed is to kind of understand the timeline a little bit and make sure that we get the facts straight on it.
00:31:17.000Well, but I do want an answer to that because I think a lot of people are running with that as a theory.
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00:31:52.000Well, you're supposed to, but just you know what, uh Toolman, just uh we're we're we're going now.
00:34:11.000He has a major Democrat upset in Texas that isn't going to happen.
00:34:15.000Oh earlier, you guys were you guys are going through the theories and stuff, and they had uh what?
00:34:19.000They had somebody who interviewing Trump out in the lawn, and uh he he said, I think Pam Bondi will go down as the greatest DOJ in age or uh AG in ages.
00:34:29.000I don't know what his problem is because he is completely tone deaf.
00:34:46.000I said, I really don't, because I want to hope for the best, and I don't want to crap on her, but I think if people know why it is that I dislike her, um, she's gonna go in, you know.
00:34:55.000I don't want I don't want to hamstring her going in, but this is exactly what I feared.
00:34:59.000I mean, you just look at her connections to the rhinos and to the the the bushes and the Lindsay Grahams of the world, or uh yeah, Lindsay Graham, not mentioned McConnell.
00:35:07.000Just like what she did in Florida and dealing with Epstein, in other words, she is the smoke as far as where there's smoke, there's fire.
00:35:14.000People go, uh, I don't trust Pam Bonnie, and it doesn't mean that the theories are correct, but you have every reason to not trust Pam Bondi.
00:35:21.000And I've been saying that from the beginning.
00:35:23.000So yeah, I don't know why that is a huge misstep for President Trump.
00:35:26.000And I don't think listen, I don't think Matt Gates would have been any better for different reasons.
00:36:57.000I this this also isn't the magic bullet theory either.
00:37:00.000That's one of those, you know, the that theory for me is is beyond my ability to go, yes, that seems plausible.
00:37:06.000Now I'm I I will admit that I am not, you know, I'm not an expert and I can't scientifically walk through that process, but bullets turning in midair and going in like seventy four different people and breaking bones and coming out completely unscathed.
00:37:29.000What I don't know is the science of of calibers and uh because I go into a gun shop to go buy, you know, rounds to go shoot at the range, and I don't know what the difference is in a lot of these different it's oh, they're all they're all 45, but these are labeled different and like you had the the the what was it, the uh the 32.
00:37:48.000Like, hey, if you see any well, you you grab some and I'm like, uh this this 32 auto, is that the same thing?
00:37:53.000I have like I don't know those things.
00:37:54.000Right, 32 ACP, 32 uh long, 32 H and RMA.
00:37:57.000So I don't know if there's a 30 odd six round that is um you know, a typical one that you'd find in a store or one that somebody reloads themselves.
00:38:09.000You can have you can have people hand load and exp it literally blow up their gun, or you can have people hand load and get less than half of the velocity of a lot of things.
00:38:17.000I don't think this guy's hand loading uh rounds, but maybe it's an old rifle, maybe it's an old round that was, you know, hand loaded by somebody else you know, 30, 40 years ago.
00:38:26.000Maybe there's the maybe the black powder sucks.
00:39:26.000And you made a good point though, and of course, we have not forgotten about uh Zarutzka that in that video people are going, wait, at this point was she's gonna be able to do that.
00:39:44.000And she goes like this, and she's like looking up and and and then kind of looking down, and that's all after she'd been stabbed, presumably two to three times.
00:39:54.000And then she falls to the ground, and then a little bit later you see a little bit of blood, and then eventually you start seeing the cascading uh amount of it in uh in the very graphic video.
00:40:26.000Oh, this is what what the you know, and somebody could probably fact check me in the comments, but what our Our medic had said was like, yeah, these people are so malnourished.
00:40:33.000And they're so dehydrated that they get shot sometimes.
00:40:57.000It's it's just it was just awful to see.
00:40:59.000And again, hopefully uh you guys we're we're we're trying to get to the truth of it, and I think there's a lot of white noise there.
00:41:04.000Some of it is deliberate and some of it is just people don't know any better.
00:41:07.000And um I I am affording uh as much grace as I can to people on our side because I also understand when you're upset, when there's been a grave injustice committed and you want to see justice served that you may, you know, sometimes uh jump the gut a little bit.
00:41:20.000So I understand it, and uh this is not a condemnation of you guys.
00:41:24.000Um at the end of all this, I'll be very clear in uh what does deserve condemnation because people who have a platform and are supposed to inform you, they are held to a different standard.
00:42:15.000But then that even went to people saying that the daughter wanted to go to daddy, and like in other words, because people hear it and they add more to it.
00:42:21.000And by the way, the people adding to it, they're probably not even being uh misleading on purpose.
00:42:26.000They heard it, they absorbed it, and then that just grows and grows, and you see that all the time.
00:42:30.000And it was a heartbreaking thought to think of it, too.
00:42:59.000When I text, I I mean you can you can definitely like if you're doing it in a row, you're not gonna see like that initial timestamp that's giving you like when that thread started.
00:43:06.000It you have to push to the left to kind of see it.
00:43:08.000If it's an iPhone, I don't know if that's the same thing.
00:43:10.000Yeah, it also depends if it goes through iMessage or through even then I could change those.
00:43:48.000Because there are a lot of people out there who don't have any receipts as far as when a text message is read.
00:43:53.000Who it's a setting on your phone to have it auto-delete every thirty days, right?
00:43:57.000So atypical, uncommon versus impossible or implausible.
00:44:01.000And then in the atypical or uncommon, is it just for you?
00:44:04.000Because there are people who live in a world, for example, investigative journalists who have as little documentation of uh some communications as possible.
00:44:13.000And I would imagine they probably wouldn't want to be super transparent if uh, you know, you're committing an assassination.
00:44:34.000He had a full-ride scholarship and was likely a midwit who, while radicalized, talked a big vocabulary.
00:44:41.000It seems like a double negative that they meant to say Are you messing around with us here, wheel impressive?
00:44:46.000I think they're asking like why why do we have a hard time believing they're real.
00:44:50.000I didn't say I have a hard time believing they're real.
00:44:52.000I said they could just I said they could just as easily be from them to establish a backstory.
00:44:57.000That is just the one out of all the conspiracies that is the one that's They don't seem like normal text messages between two people, but people behave very abnormally when they're trying to get a story straight.
00:45:06.000So it could be them trying to get a story straight, or I also I understand how someone could look at this and say that's weird.
00:46:18.000Let's let we all have to objectively agree.
00:46:20.000The best thing for the left would be to be able to claim this person is not one of us.
00:46:26.000And those out there who are jumping to misinformation or making drawing these conclusions from some spotty information, you are doing a favor to the left.
00:46:43.000If the intention was to make you think it was uh you know the responsibility of the trans community, then I think that you would try to imply that this person was trans themselves.
00:47:58.000It's called like the shooting of Charlie Kirk.
00:47:59.000And why I remember seeing that had like one review or something like that, if any at all, and it was like the day before, and that would be very easy to do for someone who wants to again.
00:48:14.000Um someone could bring that up where they said they want to divide and drive a wedge between the right.
00:48:18.000And so this would be really effective if if we actually unified and agreed that we are facing a threat that we are being hunted by not radical leftists, the modern left.
00:48:30.000If we could all come together and agree on that rather than fight over the Jews, or whoever it is, we would be far more effective.
00:48:38.000So again, you have to use the logic part of your brain.
00:48:41.000Would the left prefer it if we divided over this and created factions then recognizing the actual threat that seems most reasonable because they were celebrating it?
00:48:51.000Like for crying out loud, people make and I get it.
00:49:29.000How would assassinating Charlie Kirk, which would galvanize the right?
00:49:35.000Obviously, the largest concentration of Christians in the world will be the American right, who oppose digital IDs, identity, uh uh access control, all that.
00:49:48.000Like in other words, we would we are the strongest guard against that.
00:49:50.000How would assassinating an important figurehead to galvanize the right lead us to you think it's going to lead us to all getting Bill Gates microchips or tat getting tramp stamped 666 tattoos?
00:50:04.000I don't understand how you get from this horrible event to the beast and the mark of the beast when we would be the most likely to fight it.
00:50:14.000And they've given us a fighting spirit.
00:50:16.000This is this has put fight in all of us.
00:50:18.000I mean, I'm trying to make the loosest possible connection in that, okay.
00:50:22.000Well, if there's chaos and you want to try to find somebody, you want to try to identify the shooter, if they all had tags we could see very clearly where people were at the time of the shooting, there'd be no questions.
00:50:33.000Listen, I wouldn't I wouldn't look for that.
00:50:35.000I wouldn't look for that for the mark of the beast stuff.
00:50:37.000It's it's not, yes, they want you to beg for it, but read, you know, and this this gets into how you view eschatology, kind of the study of the end times, but if you view it kind of the way that most Protestants do, it's not going to be something like this that causes that.
00:50:48.000The the chaos in the world is going to be at a level at which you cannot even possibly understand.
00:50:54.000That's the kind of stuff that makes you go, yeah, this is a great idea.
00:50:57.000We're going to abandon all principles whatsoever for freedom or speech or anything and do that.
00:51:04.000Um I understand the idea that the spirit of chaos is one of evil because we serve a God of order.
00:51:09.000So people throwing out conspiracies and accusations with no basis in fact, well, is their spirit more aligned with a God of order or a beast of chaos?
00:51:48.000Trevor Burrus, and unfortunately, there's just too many useful willing idiots out there doing the job.
00:51:54.000And we're not talking about people who criticize the government, the largely secular government of Israel who have taken us for granted in many instances.
00:52:22.000You would have to disbelieve the mother, you would have to disbelieve friends, the father, you would have to disbelieve the record, uh including I I guess some people uh maybe there's some chats that we haven't seen, but there are again have been communications that can be verified.
00:52:37.000You would have to disbelieve uh the texts, all of it.
00:52:40.000You would have to disbelieve all of that, and then present more compelling evidence of this person being a griper, for which there is none.
00:52:55.000And so instead of saying, like, and not that you're saying this, but instead of people on the right going, oh, actually this, which by the way you're getting now because some people who are fans of Nick Fuentes feel like he turned on them.
00:53:04.000So they're trying, the gripers themselves are trying to provide this going, we're at now ex-gripers, so let's destroy the reputation of the gripers.
00:53:10.000That's the problem with trolling just for fun and having no anchor to the truth whatsoever.
00:53:22.000Uh I don't know why, for somebody who all the evidence points to he believes that Charlie Kirk was hateful, which of course he is not, he would therefore automatically be identified with a more hateful group, quote unquote.
00:53:33.000Well, and the Grippers I don't even think would have much of a problem, if any, with Charlie Kirk, other than his position on Israel, but you could see Well no, they did have a huge problem with Charlie Kirk.
00:53:40.000Well, no, I mean let me let me make the case.
00:53:42.000You could see his position on Israel at the very least moderating.
00:53:45.000And so if that was the main sticking point with them, his position was moderating.
00:53:49.000There was plenty of evidence of him going, hey, listen, the people around me right now, the people that I talk to every day, there's not a lot of support for Israel.
00:53:55.000And any time we try to bring that up and have a conversation when he brought Dave Smith on to debate the guy at the TPA, Like I don't think they would have been peak pissed off at him right now.
00:54:06.000The story that is honestly clearly most likely a radicalized trans person by radical, it's been a leftist trans person who's mentally ill, gay, uh sorry, gay with a trans lover, right?
00:54:20.000On camera, carried out this assassination, there's plenty of evidence of it.
00:55:10.000Um when I would do uh, you know, stand-up shows or the one time a change of mind was announced beforehand, you would find tons of comments like that, like, oh, it's gonna be a big day on campus, oh there'll be fireworks, it's gonna be lit.
00:55:23.000If you see all these other events that Charlie Kirk did, you'll you'll you look.
00:55:58.000And then I realized because I I put I'm like, I put it in the right way, AMP for the alarm, but then I find out that the alarm is a twelve hour cycle, but the actual clock itself is a military 24 hour does military time.
00:56:10.000So you can only set an alarm between, you know, midnight and eleven fifty-nine.
00:56:15.000But you can only set the daily clock, you have to go like 1730.
00:56:19.000So, anyways, it messed me up for many days.
00:56:56.000Oh, and by the way, to tell you about uh how awful these people are, white supremacists who want to destroy the right.
00:57:02.000Uh David Duke one time faked, or at least reposted on X, a fake interview with me saying, like, gas the Jews, kill the he was a he said, Oh, Stephen Crowder is way too radical for me.
00:57:12.000And there were there were pictures of me with a swastika, just to be clear, neck tattoo right here, and back then in the days of Jack Dorsey, and it was they they were attributing quotes to me as a neo-Nazi.
00:57:23.000And I said, Hey, by the way, this is like this is actually like dishonest.
00:57:28.000They said it wasn't a violation of their policies on X. So those people, those neo-Nazis, they they there is no one who white supremacists hate more than the right.
00:57:38.000Take the extreme version of people who want to say that you're paid by the Jews if you simply say, I don't think it's very reasonable to say that Charlie Kirk was killed by the Jews.
00:57:45.000That same dynamic, who do you think the white supremacists are more mad at?
00:57:50.000The Democrats who out in the open are identity politics, or the people who they view as the huge failures, the Republicans who have allowed it to proliferate, right?
00:58:01.000Also, if you look at neo-Nazis, they do, actual neo-Nazis, not just white supremacists, they do adhere to the ideals of the nationalist socialist workers' party, where they believe that all of our uh social safety nets and benefits and welfare programs would work, and we would be able to help Americans if not for the drain of Brown and black people.
00:58:25.000The most notable um white supremacists out there have endorsed Democrats, Hate Donald Trump, and their actual ideology is still that of socialists.
00:59:57.000It's a little of both, in my opinion, is they are entertaining.
01:00:02.000Uh I also think that people have realized that many conspiracies in the past have proven to be true.
01:00:08.000Uh because a lot of people don't trust anything, as certainly as it relates to our institutions, and I I would say rightfully so after COVID.
01:00:14.000Um and then there are people where it's okay.
01:00:20.000Uh and I don't want to just pat ourselves on the back here or the research team on the back here.
01:00:25.000Uh what we do today, what we did is very difficult.
01:00:31.000And it requires not only a lot of, okay, uh bringing in aggregating facts, it requires looking at them critically and in a perfect world in a way that is consistent, consistent logically, and consistent ideologically to draw a more likely than not conclusion.
01:00:51.000Conspiracy theories, the ones that always point one direction, it absolves the consumer of all of that.
01:01:14.000In other words, the people doing that, I guarantee you, if you look at their timelines, they have jumped on many, many leads that were false because they don't want to have to think critically.
01:01:25.000And for me, I will tell you this, n none of these things, let's say any of these were true.
01:01:32.000Let's say, let's say that everything else was planted, it was fake, the ring footage and TMZ is in on it, and all the witnesses there are in on it, and everyone at TPSA, TP USA is a paid Jewish show.
01:01:44.000And let's assume there's no track record, there's no background, there's no father, mother who say this guy was radicalized, there's no video game communities, there's no channel.
01:01:51.000Let's assume that all of that was for years backfilled by the Jews.
01:01:58.000And then let's assume that Charlie Kirk was becoming more and more critical of the Jews in general, not the Israeli government or their policy, but in general was turning toward becoming more of a groiper type.
01:02:13.000In no way does that shatter my worldview at all.
01:02:19.000It is not incongruent with my worldview.
01:02:21.000Okay, wow, that's that's awful, and that's a declaration of war.
01:02:24.000If all of those things are not true, it shatters the fundamental worldview of people who want to blame everything.
01:02:32.000Not some things, everything on the Jews.
01:02:35.000So we don't suffer the same consequences.
01:02:38.000The truth does not create the same consequential ripple effect for people who think critically and do their due diligence as it does for someone who needs the same villain every time.
01:02:49.000In other words, they have nowhere to go from there.
01:03:23.000But if it's always the oh that leads to one thing and you find out that one thing isn't true, oh my God, you have a really that's a tough reckoning with your own brain.
01:03:59.000And yeah, and when it comes to something like this, yeah, I I lean way more towards Yeah, it's just some just some you know messed up trans-loving kid who hated, you know, who believed everything the media told him.
01:04:16.000And by the way, who is more likely to be radicalized?
01:04:19.000Someone by the Israeli government, or someone uh to be radicalized by all of mainstream media, most online media, digital platforms, Hollywood, right?
01:06:00.000Uh maybe we can just bring it up the after the Pierce Morgan hit where he made them publicly available.
01:06:04.000Um the guy said that that wasn't the reason, and he blamed Tim Walls uh in his own note, and this was a guy, by the way, also more context, was trying to get attention any which way he could with all types of controversial action, so this was the natural escalation.
01:06:20.000Um there was some infighting too with him in the Democratic Party.
01:06:56.000We consider any, you know, personal vendetta.
01:06:59.000The truth is if you were to do violence carried out just by party affiliation, meaning just by the registration or how they vote, it'd probably be 90% Democrat because of the gang violence.
01:08:04.000Yeah, mentally ill and it didn't seem like you he wasn't going out there and you know saying you know, right wing or even you know conservative talking points.
01:08:11.000It was more of like this crazy rambling and like Tim Walls wanted power in a different way than he had it, or somebody else did, and he was trying to help facilitate that.
01:08:20.000Well, this is this this is literally the people they'll want you to believe that's right wing violence and say that pulse nightclub shooting was right wing when it's literally ISIS.
01:09:03.000They always do, but also the New York Post, it looks like reported on this and so this is it's July twelfth at twenty you know, twenty twenty-five, like this year, obviously.
01:09:11.000So I think it's a pretty clear J House interview, it didn't involve Trump stuff or pro life.
01:10:27.000It's really tough because they're the the uh crosstabs are really hard to get through sometimes and and we've already gone through some of it and found some really interesting things.
01:10:49.000They they weren't going to include it, and they would never have included it if not for the work that the investigative journalists did here.
01:10:54.000They even made a note in Cato to say, even though this one's borderline because the MNPD says it's not.
01:11:00.000Well, they said it's not because they want to cover their ass because they lied to you.
01:11:04.000By the way, I can say that because I've said it.
01:11:24.000Do you think by having eight plus hours of high-ranking government officials proclaiming Jesus uh proclaiming Jesus that we will see an insurgence of Christian nationalism?
01:11:34.000Yeah, I think I've known a lot of people who say that, you know, I read my Bible for the first time or I went to church for the first time and churches were packed.
01:11:40.000Um I think that's a great legacy for for um Charlie Kirk to have left and for his family to see.
01:11:45.000And and I know I mean I'm no doubt that um Mrs. Kirk will make sure that their children knew who their father was.
01:11:52.000Um by default, I mean pe people have used Christian nationalism as though it's a bad word.
01:12:06.000Let's say that ever so Christianity, yes.
01:12:09.000Christian nationalism, I would also say yes, but not in the way the left defines it.
01:12:14.000Christian nationalism means that you can get two hundred thousand people at a stadium, a record number of people and overflow.
01:12:26.000To get together, sing hymns, celebrate the life of a man who was assassinated in cold blood, and the evil, fundamental, hateful Christian nationalist's wife, Miss Erica Kirk, can talk about forgiving the killer.
01:12:46.000So if that's some Christian nationalism, guess what?
01:12:49.000I think a lot of Americans are saying, All right, sign me up.