Comedian and actor Brian Callan joins Jemele to discuss his stand-up comedy career, his new book, and why he thinks we should all be in a box of Black Dicks. Plus, the guys discuss the best and worst of the late 90s and early 2000s.
00:00:51.000It's jimbrewer.com is where you can go see his dates, and then, of course you know him, you love him, he's on the show very often, nickdip.com, you can watch him on Mug Club.
00:00:57.000Wait a minute, you went in a geo-what order?
00:05:03.000That was the first time I started seeing the lunacy of creating violence.
00:05:09.000Clearly creating violence and division.
00:05:12.000Listen, I did a show in Harlem in the early 90s.
00:05:16.000If there's one police activity in any neighborhood, even the neighborhood I grew up, everyone's out in the street and everyone's videotaping.
00:05:27.000I just, I thought it was bizarre that there weren't 20 camera angles and 300 people in the area, because I'm telling you right now, you go to any poor area, roll up in a cop car, and I'm telling you right now, everyone stops what they're doing, and they all come outside.
00:05:44.000Well be careful, don't actually do that because that's highly illegal to be imitating an officer, but the point remains.
00:06:35.000Well, there's a reason they pull the unarmed statistic, because if you're armed, you're actually far more likely to be shot by the police as a white man.
00:06:43.000Unarmed, and here's what they don't tell you, is when we're dealing in the realm of statistics, armed or not, that changes the dynamic between a cop and a civilian.
00:06:51.000Unarmed depends on how you're reacting to the cops.
00:10:01.000You need that in this grand experiment.
00:10:02.000But when they attack you for their point of view, and this is the thing that I would say the left does, and you guys have all experienced this to some degree, and it's completely untrue where they go, oh no no, it's fine, I don't disagree with this politics.
00:10:11.000They'll say, it's that he's not funny.
00:10:13.000That's what they'll use as the attack.
00:10:31.000I don't even want to give him the credit.
00:10:33.000He went out there and started a special.
00:10:35.000Right out of the gate, talking about, oh, you know, we all got masks, and we all did what we were supposed to do, and blah, blah, blah.
00:10:44.000And he went into a scenario where he goes, unlike a Jim Brewer, unlike, and he added two other guys, and he goes, and that's why it's okay to wish them to be dead.
00:11:11.000On a larger scale, like they paint Trump as Hitler, so of course you'd want to kill somebody as horrible as Hitler, and then the rest of the sheep join in.
00:11:21.000They're convinced that he is as bad as Hitler, so if we have to f***ing lock him up during the, you know, when the election comes along, I'm worried for Trump's, actually for his security.
00:11:32.000Well that's how you got punched by a broad in Birkenstocks.
00:11:35.000Because literally someone's probably showing up going, this guy's like Hitler and she feels emboldened.
00:13:49.000They became this weird thing too with white educated, this is like, there was this homogenous sort of education thing where white educated people.
00:14:13.000They had this idea that they had to change white people for black and brown people to be okay.
00:14:19.000That was a new thing too, where it was like we have to purge the bad whites so that the black and white people, the black and brown people can fly free.
00:14:28.000But the craziest thing is the place where that is, in my opinion, least necessary is comedy.
00:14:33.000There is a disproportionate, and by the way, rightfully so, representation of black men specifically in comedy because it's a storytelling culture.
00:14:40.000It's a culture where things are passed down.
00:14:45.000Like if you look at the top, you're not going to find anyone who argues if you have a top five list and you put Pryor up there as number one or number two.
00:14:51.000If you put Rock, Chappelle up there, you're going to have three out of the top five.
00:15:23.000He wouldn't deny it, that's why I loved him.
00:15:25.000He goes, I know, you can't go up there and f***ing try to... But wouldn't you say, I mean, in comedy, of all the places, like, that don't really require social justice, as far as, you know, ensuring outcomes, it's pretty diverse.
00:16:42.000But I think the cancel thing, too, it's if you're afraid of... if you're afraid of the machine to back you, or you don't have that fear... Yeah.
00:18:28.000Well, no, it's just... He's also telling the truth.
00:18:30.000Well, big reason is you lose too much of the chorus of white women, because they feel like in the hierarchy they can't fully cancel Dave Chappelle, so he sort of gets to take that off the ledger.
00:18:38.000Tracy Morgan says, I keep bringing this up, might be the third time on your show, but Tracy Morgan, perfect example.
00:18:45.000Somebody asked him when his wife was pregnant, what if you have a gay baby?
00:20:30.000Do you really think, is this just kids these days, or do you think it's worse than ever?
00:20:35.000No, I think kids are actually pushing back.
00:20:38.000I think 18-year-olds and stuff like that are actually... Anytime you make something forbidden, in what I love about this country, is you start saying, you can't say there are only two genders.
00:20:51.000That's a great way to get people to start saying, you know what, I'm looking around, there are only two genders.
00:20:56.000Or, I don't think somebody who's 6'4 with a d*** should be swimming against women.
00:21:44.000They include the n-word, they include new pussy, and to me it's just hilarious because it's like, well that makes you gay.
00:21:49.000I'm gonna f**k you too, you love me, f**k it, and then I'm gonna take you to Red Lobster, you can have scampi, it is shrimp season, I will call you.
00:22:14.000People right now are gonna go and get their hat.
00:22:16.000I couldn't believe they switched that word, though, to mess.
00:22:18.000My father's 83, and I remember talking to him, and I said, he just quietly said, I was complaining like this, complaining about all this stuff.
00:22:28.000Um, I call him mommy because now he identifies, but I, but I, I remember I said, this is crazy like this, this woke shit, and I can't keep up with the rules and all that.
00:22:37.000And we're doing, we're having a conversation and he just quietly looked at me and goes, won't last.
00:22:52.000After a while, there are more and more people sitting around talking this way, including people on the other side who are going, you know, women.
00:23:04.000As long as the money is... And there's too much time between now and then.
00:23:07.000That's right, that's where it... Well, you know, I was talking to Rogan, I said, he said, we were saying this five years ago and it's still going on.
00:23:34.000And Nick, of course, he's being self-effacing there.
00:23:37.000But he's always had respect of his peers because people know how good he is.
00:23:40.000And that tells you that they know that he's foregone opportunities because of his point of view.
00:23:44.000You know, I've been, I was on YouTube in 2006 and then started doing right-leaning videos in 2008, I believe, because I would get in trouble in Canadian clubs or universities, which is, you know, remember NACA?
00:24:20.000It's literally, everybody knows those are indoctrination camps.
00:24:24.000Unless you were a far left to believe that s***.
00:24:26.000Why would you ever, as a comic, go to a...
00:24:29.000Well back in the day it wasn't, you know, you have a lot of like frat people and it'd be kind of like, you know, that's where Dane Cook made his bones and Jimmy Fallon, Adam Sandler.
00:24:51.000And then the people who have been indoctrinated come of age and get into positions in government, in journalism, in academia, in Hollywood, in writer's room.
00:25:01.000All of a sudden you have this groupthink, this hive mentality, and that's kind of what happens.
00:25:06.000Yeah, if you start teaching children at that age, and they go all the way up to college, and especially when you have this sort of issue where they all come from the same area of code, you can trace this back.
00:25:17.000It's not a mystery as to how this sort of collective madness And it only could get this big and take on this momentum with help of the media.
00:26:35.000good evil, left is just evil. Left is all, they're all nice words for evil. That's right. Starts with a language. But
00:26:42.000what's good guys is that when you say that, like you just said
00:26:45.000that there is the truth. When you have this f***ing madness over here, all it does is get it forces you to start
00:26:54.000defining the bedrock you're anchored into.
00:26:57.000It forces you to kind of solidify your political and moral philosophy.
00:27:02.000That's not a bad thing, but it's when you start to see that there's a tidal wave of insanity coming your way and you gotta go, hey guys, I gotta batten down the hatches and I need to figure out what I'm standing on.
00:27:15.000Let's make sure we got our guns lined up and clean and our powder is f***ing dry.
00:28:05.000It's when NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, when you have people in, you know, whether it's at Johns Hopkins who then have been browbeaten into submission by the trans community, whether it's the CDC, the WHO, and then you have Facebook, Twitter, whether it's a Hunter Biden story, Big Tech, Google, YouTube, all of them.
00:28:21.000They all say, no, no, hold on a second, there's no such thing as male-female, that's hate speech.
00:28:25.000They all say, no, no, hold on a second, you're not allowed to discuss elections, or you're not allowed to question CDC.
00:28:29.000They don't believe it, it's an agreed-upon line.
00:28:31.000It doesn't matter how strong your arguments are until that gets broken apart.
00:28:35.000They start, when you argue, and this is something that Raj Limbaugh said 40 years ago, when you argue with a liberal, they're starting at I'm superior to you.
00:28:46.000That's where they start their arguments.
00:28:48.000You start arguing with a comedian or somebody, they literally believe they're morally superior.
00:29:45.000When Scotland says, if you say you're a woman for three months and you don't have to have anything, you can have balls and a beard and get put into a woman's prison.
00:29:54.000I don't know what the f*** we're doing anymore, but there are certain things I'm willing to fight for.
00:29:58.000There are lines you're going to cross where I'm going to dig my heels in and I'm actually going to fight.
00:30:02.000And I mean, you're my enemy, motherfucker.
00:30:05.000I'm not interested in being, I don't want to meet you halfway.
00:30:07.000This is why you say, how did I come out of the closet?
00:31:17.000You're like, oh s**t, f**k it, what are we reading about?
00:31:20.000If someone's, what the f**k's going on?
00:31:22.000Any human situation, if you come in to go, holy s**t, f**king, you're not gonna, before you can even think, they're like, now here's the deal, this person's like this, and this person's like that, oh yeah, f**k it.
00:31:32.000And before you even get it, they've got your attention, and when you do argue with them, There is no arguing.
00:31:39.000All they're doing is repeating everything that they've heard, and they've seen, and the magic word.
00:31:47.000It is the greatest black magic voodoo, perhaps in human history.
00:31:54.000You know, they say, oh, the king, whatever f***ing king, he used to come and take 20% of your money, and he'd come along Well, how much money you think we work for?
00:32:04.000And what kind of gig is going where a government, which Marley, dude, I used to listen to Marley all the time, his interviews, he said, all governments are illegal.
00:32:16.000And if you really just break down government, what the f*** is government there for?
00:32:37.000It doesn't even work with football or baseball where everyone jumps on the pitcher's mound like a bitch because some guy's got into a disagreement, right?
00:32:43.000In hockey, the referee, he said, is there to keep the players safe, make sure the pace of the game is kept, otherwise he keeps his whistle in his pocket.
00:32:51.000He says, so the government is there to keep us safe, meaning external threats or, you know, interior threats.
00:32:57.000He said, and to ensure that people are playing by the rules, meaning they're not stealing from people, outside of that, keeps the whistle in his pocket.
00:33:05.000And the analogy only works with the hockey referee.
00:33:07.000So the legitimate purview of government would be, yep, some form of military, yep, some form of enforcement of regulations to ensure that people aren't being swindled, lied to.
00:33:14.000Enforcing contracts, keeping your promises.
00:33:19.000When you're at this state, we're like, what are you talking about?
00:33:22.000We're talking about, we don't know what a man is, we don't know what a female is.
00:33:27.000Well then, if military's in rule, and government's in rule, and nobody's stepping in to go, this is... I don't know where you all come from, but this is f***ed.
00:33:41.000If nobody's stepping in, then I don't trust anyone that says they're government, they're this, they're whatever.
00:34:08.000It's not going, we're letting it happen.
00:34:11.000I think a lot of conservatives are, and you know that's why Mug Club is, and by the way if you guys want to sign up, you guys can sign up and support all this because a lot of conservatives have kowtowed too.
00:34:22.000They're like, oh they'll kill me last.
00:34:24.000Tens of millions of dollars on YouTube, on Facebook, and we only know one way.
00:34:27.000We said, well, no, okay, at least that's doing something where you're migrating people off of these platforms where you can hit them in the pocketbook.
00:34:39.000Yeah, it feels like this Leviathan that can't be addressed, but it does start with information, and that's why the central battle to me is still the battle of big tech and being able to ensure that everyone here can at least reach people with the truth or has a fighting chance.
00:34:53.000Who's taking marching orders from who?
00:34:55.000Because Colin Quinn says it's the corporations that give the White House their marching orders and I thought it was the other way around.
00:35:01.000It's this unholy alliance at this point.
00:35:06.000Well think about this, like Facebook, so really you have Facebook itself or Meta now, right?
00:35:11.000Meta and then Alphabet is Google and YouTube.
00:35:14.000These are more powerful Then, for example, the Roman Empire, right?
00:35:18.000You look at the Ottomans, you look at Genghis Khan, you look at how much these people control, and you look at the benefits that they receive directly from the government with Section 230, right?
00:35:26.000They get to receive the benefits of being an open platform, but they also get to be publishers and remove content editorialized.
00:35:48.000Because if you start censoring material and saying, this is allowed, this isn't allowed, I don't care if you're doing it on behalf of the CDC, or whoever it is that day, you now are liable for whatever is on that platform, just like New York Times is.
00:36:00.000It protects them like they're a utility.
00:36:01.000Is that because it's a new problem that they're trying to figure out?
00:36:03.000It's one that no one on the right has done anything about.
00:36:05.000We have them on the show, and they grandstand, and they go, look, enforce it.
00:36:09.000But would you say, though, that for me it's always like, secretly, a lot of these studios in Hollywood have fired their DEI officers because they were losing money.
00:36:20.000So at the end of the day, if you start making these movies and you're taking politics into consideration to check boxes, and you put out a bunch of sh**ty movies and studios start losing, I don't know, a hundred million dollars, right?
00:36:36.000When they put the money aside, it's about the message.
00:36:39.000And that's the definition of propaganda.
00:36:41.000But how long does that last until you kind of, ideology is not going to pay the bills.
00:36:47.000After a while, you're going to go, nobody's watching these movies and nobody wants to finance movies like that.
00:36:51.000They're going to go, I did a movie, I'm telling you, I did a movie and I remember the conversation.
00:36:57.000They were looking for staff, you know, they need makeup people.
00:37:01.000And the one thing the producer said is he goes, look man, The director and the producer were saying, yeah, and they're not into this pronoun stuff.
00:37:09.000They're not into this, all this, whoa, crazy s***.
00:37:11.000So they were looking specifically and they had questions that were kind of secretly put into the interview to make sure that we weren't dealing with f***ing crazies.
00:38:58.000No, but here's, but I remember, here's the thing, I remember talking with comedians who had been established, going like, yeah, well here's, they would say, it doesn't matter as long as you're funny.
00:39:04.000I'm going, no, no, hold on a second, you don't understand, it's the people who are trying to get their foot in the door.
00:39:08.000So at this point, I remember being told at open mics, you can't do that.
00:39:34.000But when you're coming up as a feature, when you're coming up as an emcee and you're trying to get stage time, they just weren't willing to take that risk.
00:39:42.000That's why I started doing the YouTube stuff because I was going, these are things that I, at that point, it was more free than the club atmosphere.
00:39:48.000Now it's kind of tipping back a little bit.
00:39:50.000But a lot of comedians, they come from the era where they would say, as long as you're funny, That's fine, but it's not true.
00:41:42.000No, Pains Taking Detail, great series until about the second episode where the woman who's like the co-star goes off on some on some tangent that a feminist would have wrote yesterday.
00:42:02.000The Pains Taking Detail for the you know for And then they throw in, whether it's a commercial, I watched it last night, same thing, a couple movies at the hotel.
00:42:12.000I just watched the new Predator film, Prey, because they switched it now from Predator to Prey, and he gets beaten by a broad with a bow and arrow and a tomahawk with a piece of bungee cord on it.
00:42:40.000We're gonna tie you to a post and just be thankful we don't light you on fire and sing what makes the red man red, okay?
00:42:47.000Shut up, stay home, and if you want to put some war paint from the wild lowbush blueberries because they have greater dye, then fine, we'll do that.
00:43:45.000has his whole scenario right and he goes to to pick up the chick and the chick's ready to go with him and then all of a sudden a bunch of other guys are like We're going to have to fight if you're going to bang the chick.
00:44:03.000And they ended and he goes, and then they'll spend a lifetime with the male bird, which in the end is probably better than just being alone.
00:44:19.000And they're gonna live together being gay.
00:44:21.000This is blue pan- It's the West African incel thing.
00:44:25.000But it's an important point because like what I saw with the feminism movement and the same thing with this is that like in climate change is it's one thing to be a feminist and say we want equal rights, right?
00:45:06.000No, what happened is for a man to vote, for a man to vote, he had to pay taxes, own property, be in the draft, mandatory bucket duty, which means volunteer firefighter service.
00:45:15.000It was a socialist movement catering to women to get and say, by the way, you can get the vote.
00:45:19.000Most women didn't want the vote because they thought it came with all those responsibilities.
00:45:22.000They said, no, no, you're not gonna have to do any of that.
00:45:26.000There was a period of time where men still had those responsibilities to vote, but women didn't.
00:45:29.000And the first thing they did, the very year, prohibition.
00:45:33.000Because they couldn't help themselves in sticking their nose in where it doesn't belong.
00:45:38.000Right away, like they had the, lips that touch liquor never touch ours.
00:45:41.000So my point is, the basis was never equal rights, it was special exceptions.
00:45:44.000It was not, we want to vote, and we're going to be in the draft, and we're going to do volunteer firefighter service, and we're going to pay taxes.
00:45:51.000It was, there was a coexistence of the socialist party, the temperance movement, and the suffragette movement, and that's why most women didn't want the vote.
00:45:58.000They should vote, but they should all have the same responsibilities.
00:46:55.000It was a sketch and we had a trans... and then YouTube said you can't talk about this because at the time it had not been fully confirmed by trial that the man had raped a cellmate.
00:47:04.000So we were suspended for two weeks for doing a joke about something that actually happened.
00:48:07.000The interspecies, like if Harvey Weinstein was doing that on his casting couch, they would say, well, lock him up.
00:48:11.000Of course, he's face-banging another species that we are not.
00:48:15.000I watched an orangutan catch a chicken in Indonesia, and I watched an orangutan grab a little, a three-year-old orangutan, and it was an adolescent male, and it raped the three-year-old, the baby, up in the tree.