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00:00:00.000 If this existed in a vacuum, I would say if anyone now has their hand on what you believe to be a gun, you panic, you're like, okay, if I run away, can he shoot me?

00:00:12.000 And if you have a gun, you're probably best served to protect yourself.

00:00:14.000 As far as if you're trying to live, you don't know, especially is there a corner he could run around?

00:00:19.000 Or is it, you know, the guy's seated, so it's almost like he's a built-in bench rest.

00:00:23.000 Do you think that a defensive measure against a disabled person in a wheelchair that goes five miles an hour might be to return the stolen property? 1.00

00:00:30.000 Yes.

00:00:31.000 It could be in a practical sense.

00:00:33.000 And that's what I said.

00:00:34.000 Did the guy still have it?

00:00:34.000 I'm crazy, though.

00:00:35.000 Maybe that's what I would do.

00:00:36.000 Did the guy still have it, though?

00:00:38.000 I don't know.

00:00:38.000 Do you rip it off?

00:00:39.000 I'm not sure.

00:00:40.000 Well, I will say the person who shot him, he is a crazy person.

00:00:42.000 Douchebag.

00:00:43.000 He was arrested in 2020 for driving into Trump campaign volunteers for registering voters.

00:00:48.000 And he said it was his duty to take action against the Trump administration.

00:00:51.000 And as far as we know, the man who was shot actually is a veteran.

00:00:54.000 Yes.

00:00:54.000 So he is an actual veteran and wrongly accused of stolen valor.

00:01:00.000 But this is the practical part of when whether you have a real gun or a fake gun or a knife or not, is like those moments start having a big impact.

00:01:08.000 Moving forward in the wheelchair to do what?

00:01:10.000 Were you going to chase the guy down and steal the patch back?

00:01:12.000 With a knife.

00:01:13.000 Yeah, right.

00:01:14.000 If you're disabled, you just got to take it and get robbed. 1.00

00:01:17.000 No, no one's saying that, Josh.

00:01:19.000 What we're saying is how the jury will look at it.

00:01:20.000 So I'd be very careful with, I agree with you in principle, but if you do that afterwards and you don't go to the authorities first, very likely you are going to be charged with assault at that point if you just roll up on a guy with a business.

00:01:32.000 Especially in Washington, you are not allowed to pursue somebody who stole from you.

00:01:36.000 Is that, yeah, is that the Castle doctrine a little bit differently on your property, et cetera.

00:01:43.000 But here's one other factor I'll point to.

00:01:45.000 After the shooting occurs, right?

00:01:47.000 What does he say?

00:01:47.000 He says, everybody, all right.

00:01:49.000 Everything's all right.

00:01:50.000 But then he leans into the anger.

00:01:52.000 Show me your ID.

00:01:53.000 Show me your ID.

00:01:54.000 Bruddy, you just plugged the guy with hot lead.

00:01:58.000 Show me the ID.

00:01:59.000 That doesn't show that right there says I wasn't afraid.

00:02:02.000 The guy stole his gun.

00:02:04.000 He's still alive.

00:02:05.000 And now, granted, he didn't shoot him again.

00:02:07.000 So he didn't feel harm.

00:02:08.000 And what did he do in that moment?

00:02:10.000 He didn't start looking around.

00:02:11.000 He didn't start trying to make sure people were okay.

00:02:13.000 He didn't keep moving away.

00:02:14.000 He said, give me your ID.

00:02:16.000 Right.

00:02:17.000 So that's not a good look.

00:02:19.000 And I agree with that on the surface.

00:02:21.000 And this guy seems to be a dirtbag from all information we have on him previously.

00:02:25.000 So I'm not defending this guy.

00:02:26.000 Just the situation.

00:02:27.000 You have to look at it objectively.

00:02:28.000 Isn't there going to be a ton of adrenaline in your system?

00:02:31.000 And that's kind of a reasonable.

00:02:33.000 He didn't run up and start pounding him with the gun or anything.

00:02:37.000 He just yelled, show me your ID.

00:02:38.000 That's what they were arguing about.

00:02:40.000 Let me hope be a let me present.

00:02:42.000 Yeah, let me present this.

00:02:43.000 Let's take away the fact that this guy's a piece of crap.

00:02:45.000 Right.

00:02:45.000 Allegedly.

00:02:46.000 I think you'd have two very different situations if these scenarios.

00:02:49.000 And of course, there's always, you know, you get some rogue jury stuff.

00:02:51.000 Right.

00:02:52.000 But if as he was reaching for the guy's patch and ripping it off, if the guy in the wheelchair went, ah, and shot him, that'd probably be well within the realms of the law, him defending himself, right?

00:03:00.000 In a wheelchair, he's disabled, the guy getting physical with him. 0.81

00:03:03.000 In other words, that would be simpler.

00:03:05.000 Or if separately, if this guy hadn't grabbed his patch, if some guy with a wheelchair said, hey, you disrespected me and was coming up with the gun and you shot him, that would probably be much more cut and dry.

00:03:15.000 In this case, it's because of what preceded it and then this guy going forward afterward.

00:03:21.000 Right.

00:03:21.000 Where it's like, hey, at this point, it's pretty tough to make an argument.

00:03:24.000 It's like, as far as you knew, you both had a gun and you got shot.

00:03:27.000 You both got shot.

00:03:28.000 And here's also one important doctrine.

00:03:30.000 It doesn't apply in every state, but Washington does have this.

00:03:33.000 It's called the revival of self-defense.

00:03:35.000 So if you are the primary aggressor, initial aggressor, you can often neutralize your own use of self-defense.

00:03:42.000 You can't walk up to somebody, punch them in the face, and be like, oh, man, they punched me.

00:03:45.000 I pulled the gun and shot him.

00:03:46.000 Right.

00:03:46.000 Obviously a problem.

00:03:48.000 So in this instance, Beretman, standing man, is moving backwards after the initial knife is pulled, after the initial stealing of the patch, right?

00:03:57.000 So sure, there was arguably an assault or a battery in taking the patch, but he didn't then at that point stand there, wait for the guy to pull the knife and then immediately pull a gun and start plugging him, right?

00:04:06.000 So that little back and forth is going to be in favor of the man who was standing in just looking at the revival of his ability to defend himself because he was moving away.

00:04:16.000 He was not engaging.

00:04:17.000 He was not continuing to go after the guy.

00:04:19.000 And the wheelchair man continued to pursue him, which is a bad move on behalf of the wheelchair. 0.97

00:04:24.000 Understandable.

00:04:25.000 Offended, angry.

00:04:26.000 You can control all the time.

00:04:27.000 You can't trust him.

00:04:28.000 I was pulling back.

00:04:29.000 It went forward.

00:04:30.000 It was in airplane settings.

00:04:31.000 I have no idea.

00:04:32.000 I mean, the reality is the wheelchair company is going to get sued.

00:04:34.000 That's true.

00:04:35.000 Yeah.

00:04:36.000 And so Smith and Wesson.

00:04:37.000 Like, so I think, you know, to Josh's point, we talked about this before the show.

00:04:40.000 Like, obviously, this is a big deal to this guy.

00:04:42.000 This isn't some small thing.

00:04:43.000 Right.

00:04:43.000 It's not worth getting shot over for sure.

00:04:45.000 But my thought was: well, just don't pursue this guy with a large knife.

00:04:51.000 It looks like 8, 10, 12 inch blade or something on that thing.

00:04:54.000 It's just, it's kind of almost comical, right?

00:04:56.000 Crocodile Dundee knife, essentially.

00:04:58.000 And you can still pursue him, but just don't pursue him with that and don't reach for what appears to be a gun to most people.

00:05:04.000 Gerald feels very self-conscious about the size of this knife.

00:05:06.000 Yes, he does.

00:05:07.000 Well, I mean, if it was a small pocket knife, you know, which you're more intimidated by it.

00:05:13.000 When he sees the large machete, he thinks of Travis Kelsey and gets very comfortable.

00:05:16.000 Yes.

00:05:17.000 I will say, this is also, as far as advice to people out there who are carrying, right?

00:05:22.000 Probably important to keep your firearm concealed.

00:05:26.000 And if you're in that, draw it and fire.

00:05:29.000 Yeah, I wouldn't buy a firearm unless you intend to.

00:05:32.000 Unless you intend to use it.

00:05:33.000 And make sure at that point that someone else is the aggressor. 0.81

00:05:36.000 And that afterwards, again, you're calm.

00:05:38.000 You probably want to get your firearm either somewhere safe, either in a holster or if the police are there, put it down.

00:05:43.000 Make sure people are aware of it.

00:05:44.000 But make sure that it's very clear, legally, we're not talking about right and wrong, that you are defensively using a firearm.

00:05:51.000 And that also, I've read quite a few blogs from firearm experts who say that's also a complication with having it in the bag because you will have people go, well, if you had time to go get it in your bag, why don't you have time to run away?

00:06:02.000 Well, his bag was on his shoulder, so I understand.

00:06:04.000 Well, it out very quickly.

00:06:06.000 There's no question.

00:06:07.000 A factor in whether or not it was self-defense versus premeditated is how long you had before you pull the trigger, right?

00:06:13.000 So if you, like even little instances of like, I saw something happening and I went inside the house and how far they had to go in the house, right?

00:06:21.000 If it's like reach for the shotgun behind the front door, maybe less premeditated.

00:06:25.000 If you had to go all the way to the back of the house and open the safe and pull it in and load it and then walk back to the front of the house.

00:06:30.000 Yeah.

00:06:31.000 Well, there's actually, it's interesting.

00:06:33.000 You know, the reason they have, or they switched to off-duty officers carrying, you know, revolvers, a double action only, meaning it's a shrouded hammer or an internal hammer.

00:06:41.000 Think about a revolver, right?

00:06:42.000 You can cock it back single action.

00:06:43.000 That's like what you call a hair trigger versus pulling it all the way through.

00:06:46.000 And I believe it was with the NYPD.

00:06:48.000 And someone can bring this up.

00:06:50.000 A famous case where he had a guy at gunpoint.

00:06:53.000 The guy, I believe, was a violent drug dealer.

00:06:56.000 And if you look back, rightfully should have been shot, was an aggressor.

00:06:59.000 But because the cop had the hammer cocked, they said it could have been a negligent discharge and the man was reprimanded.

00:07:06.000 And they switched a lot of police service revolvers over to double action only, even though he could have been completely justified and he could have had it cocked into single action because he thought this guy's going to continue being violent.

00:07:18.000 So that's unfortunately the technicality of the laws when you get the wrong, when you get the wrong judge, it goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you shouldn't, even though this guy was violent, even though this guy was, he was resisting arrest, and even though this guy had tried to attack you, you had it in single action.

00:07:30.000 Yeah.

00:07:30.000 Josh, what are the gun laws in Seattle?

00:07:33.000 You know, I mean, in Washington, I don't know.

00:07:34.000 I don't know them completely.

00:07:36.000 I just know a couple laws.

00:07:38.000 In terms of what?

00:07:38.000 I mean, there's a lot of different things.

00:07:40.000 I mean, would they have had restrictive laws?

00:07:42.000 They had concealed carry permits.

00:07:44.000 They exist.

00:07:44.000 Yeah, they have permits.

00:07:46.000 They have self-defense.

00:07:47.000 They have the no-duty to retreat.

00:07:48.000 They have a modified castle doctrine.

00:07:51.000 They've got this revival theory of self-defense.

00:07:54.000 So what would the legal requirement be of the man in the wheelchair if he wants to get his patch back?

00:08:00.000 It was stolen.

00:08:01.000 And the man who ripped it off of him is there in his presence.

00:08:05.000 Like, what would he do if he's doing it by the book?

00:08:09.000 What does the law expect of him?

00:08:10.000 He needs to call the cops.

00:08:11.000 Yeah.

00:08:11.000 I would say, yeah, in Washington, in Washington, both guys, individual actions would be against the law.

00:08:19.000 My understanding of Washington's law, but also more practically, how Washington and specifically Seattle would approach something like that is you needed to call the cops.

00:08:28.000 Yeah.

00:08:28.000 Now, the irony of that in Seattle, given what happened during COVID, is, of course, very true.

00:08:35.000 But that is what they at least say would have needed to be.

00:08:38.000 No, you don't need to call the cops.

00:08:39.000 You need to set up an autonomous zone and then you need to enforce the rules yourself.

00:08:43.000 What you need to do is burn down the precincts.

00:08:45.000 Please do not do that.

00:08:47.000 This is one of those jokes.

00:08:48.000 It's one of those things where sometimes when you're a disabled person in a wheelchair, you are vulnerable.

00:08:53.000 Yeah.

00:08:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:08:54.000 No question.

00:08:55.000 And apparently you don't have any recourse.

00:08:58.000 Something gets stolen from you.

00:08:59.000 Someone accuses you of something.

00:09:00.000 The only thing you're allowed to do is call the cops.

00:09:04.000 I mean, sure.

00:09:05.000 No, it's unfortunate.

00:09:06.000 I mean, that is an action you can take.

00:09:08.000 It's not an action that gets anything.

00:09:10.000 No, good luck.

00:09:11.000 it doesn't feel good, but you just get your shit stolen. 0.82

00:09:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:16.000 That's what you have to do.

00:09:17.000 That's how you have to live your life.

00:09:19.000 Otherwise, either you get your stuff stolen, you go to jail, or you get shot.

00:09:23.000 Yeah.

00:09:24.000 There's three options.

00:09:25.000 The options that you lose, obviously, in a wheelchair is, hey, you could physically, it would be...

00:09:32.000 You could grab the guy and try and get your patch back.

00:09:34.000 Now, that would still be assault, I would guess, right?

00:09:37.000 Well, I mean, look, if the guy's reaching for it, you can, again, defend yourself, push him off, you know, but you can't just grab him by the collar and just start popping him in the face, right?

00:09:45.000 I mean, again, it's about proportionality, right?

00:09:47.000 Okay, the guy reached down, ripped the patch off.

00:09:49.000 The patch is gone.

00:09:50.000 The guy took it.

00:09:50.000 Let's say he didn't even see that the patch was stolen, and later he saw the guy a few minutes later with the patch.

00:09:56.000 He goes, hey, that's my patch.

00:09:57.000 Right.

00:09:58.000 He's not allowed to then jump out of the, well, let's just say he can't jump out of the wheelchair, but let's say he could just lunge.

00:10:03.000 Yeah, he could wheelie himself.

00:10:06.000 You know, we don't have video of the full incident.

00:10:09.000 Right.

00:10:09.000 And we keep talking about how the shooter kept moving back in a defensive posture.

00:10:14.000 He's moving back.

00:10:15.000 He's moving back.

00:10:15.000 Well, at some point, he moved in.

00:10:17.000 Right.

00:10:17.000 He did.

00:10:18.000 At some point, he moved in.

00:10:19.000 He got aggressive.

00:10:20.000 He got mad.

00:10:20.000 An argument probably happened.

00:10:22.000 He reached up.

00:10:22.000 He grabbed something that wasn't his, stole it off of, you know, stole his, doesn't matter what, it doesn't matter who he is.

00:10:27.000 He stole something from him.

00:10:29.000 And then he didn't leave.

00:10:31.000 He was, yeah, sure.

00:10:32.000 He was, he was, he was defensively walking back.

00:10:34.000 He didn't leave.

00:10:35.000 Yeah.

00:10:36.000 Yeah.

00:10:38.000 He didn't leave.

00:10:39.000 There's no doubt.

00:10:39.000 And the guy kept coming down, kept coming.

00:10:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:41.000 He was barreling down at him at 75 miles an hour.

00:10:44.000 He didn't leave.

00:10:45.000 Right.

00:10:45.000 No, he didn't leave.

00:10:46.000 He was still interested in having this conversation.

00:10:48.000 It's morally reprehensible.

00:10:49.000 It's more than interested in being right.

00:10:52.000 He still wanted to see the ID.

00:10:54.000 He was still invested in the situation.

00:10:56.000 And that guy in the wheelchair is like, he just stole something from me. 1.00

00:10:58.000 He just, you know, I don't know whether how hard he hit him or touched him.

00:11:03.000 Maybe assaulted, doesn't, don't know.

00:11:04.000 But he's still here.

00:11:05.000 Yeah.

00:11:06.000 I still have to deal with this.

00:11:07.000 If I want to get out of the situation, I got to find a ramp.

00:11:12.000 I'm down by the pier or wherever they were.

00:11:14.000 I got to find a ramp.

00:11:15.000 I got to get out of here.

00:11:16.000 I have to find a vehicle that can put me in it.

00:11:18.000 The alternative is he could have been.

00:11:19.000 The guy could have walked down the street or walked down the block and the wheelchair guy could have followed him too.

00:11:23.000 So in other words, Josh, unfortunately, I think according to Bill's analysis of this, you may have just undercut yourself.

00:11:30.000 If the property has been stolen and the guy isn't running anywhere, he's still there.

00:11:33.000 Yeah.

00:11:33.000 You can make a case for, well, then you had plenty of time to wait for the police.

00:11:36.000 The guy wasn't going anywhere.

00:11:37.000 He was engaging you in an argument.

00:11:39.000 But even then, you're not obligated to.

00:11:42.000 If a thief runs up and steals your person, runs away, you can't shoot him in the back.

00:11:45.000 No, of course.

00:11:46.000 Period.

00:11:46.000 You just can't do it.

00:11:47.000 Not in this country.

00:11:48.000 At least not at this time.

00:11:50.000 Now, if they steal it from your house in Texas, until when they're climbing over the fence, you can still shoot them because that's your property, right?

00:11:56.000 No, not necessarily.

00:11:58.000 It's called the Girl Scout rule dipshit.

00:12:00.000 Is that a thing?

00:12:01.000 The Girl Scout rule.

00:12:02.000 Yeah, you can't.

00:12:02.000 Well, now in that case, it may not apply.

00:12:04.000 But yeah, Bill knows about this.

00:12:05.000 But you can't shoot your people.

00:12:06.000 Exactly.

00:12:07.000 You can't just shoot someone because they're on your property.

00:12:09.000 There has to be a reasonable suspicion of them causing a profit.

00:12:11.000 No, they still.

00:12:12.000 Yes, I know.

00:12:12.000 But what I'm saying is if they're running away, I wonder if the law would still apply.

00:12:15.000 They're on your property at that point.

00:12:17.000 I think on your property is fine, right, Bill?

00:12:18.000 No, but that's the point.

00:12:19.000 It's not just on your property.

00:12:20.000 It's called the Girl Scout rule.

00:12:21.000 That's what I'm telling you.

00:12:22.000 You can't blow away a Girl Scout with a 44 Magnum because they didn't want some Samoas and they're on your property.

00:12:26.000 No, no, no, but you're not going to be able to do it.

00:12:27.000 Look, Gerald, Gerald, they're called coconut delivery.

00:12:31.000 Do not shoot anyone running away on your property.

00:12:33.000 I won't.

00:12:34.000 I'm just saying.

00:12:35.000 I think you should be able to, but legally, probably not.

00:12:38.000 And that is what I would say.

00:12:40.000 Like back in college, when I worked in the gun industry, literally, everyone had guns, guns everywhere.

00:12:45.000 This is where I learned to shoot.

00:12:46.000 It was a great time, had a lot of great people.

00:12:47.000 And the people there who are the most die-hard gun advocates were also the ones who were like, do not pull your gun unless you are 100% sure.

00:12:56.000 And by 100%, I mean 1000% sure you're in the right.

00:12:59.000 Because it's not about whether you could make an armchair argument or technically be correct.

00:13:03.000 It's what?

00:13:04.000 12 people with an average eighth grade, maybe sixth grade education, depending on what state you're in or county, and a DA with a political leaning, depending where you're at, is going to decide they want to do it.

00:13:12.000 It's terrible.

00:13:13.000 And you're right.

00:13:14.000 I agree.

00:13:15.000 It's very terrible.

00:13:15.000 And the repercussions it has on the rest of the gun owner society afterwards.

00:13:19.000 And I agree with Josh.

00:13:20.000 In other words, if this story read, hey, man steals homeless, steals, sorry, disabled veterans patch and gets shot for his troubles, that'd be a feel-good story. 0.94

00:13:28.000 Or the crowd beat the crap out of him and return the patch.

00:13:31.000 Unfortunately, that's not how it went.

00:13:32.000 And so, as far as dispensing advice to people out there, don't do that.

00:13:35.000 Also, do we know the caliber of the gun fired?

00:13:38.000 Does anyone know?

00:13:40.000 Because the guy, as I understand, the guy lived.

00:13:42.000 I mean, he shot him pretty much point blank straight there.

00:13:44.000 It also just reminds me how surprisingly ineffective pistol calibers can be.

00:13:50.000 It really does come down to shot placement because people are like, I only use 45.

00:13:53.000 It's like, he just shot that guy who's literally in a chair, and he's pretty much fine.

00:13:57.000 He looked like he had a few layers to a little bit of probably had a few layers, but when people go, oh, you're carrying that, you're going to say, ah, I don't really know if it would have made a difference from 32 all the way up to 45 at that point.

00:14:09.000 Unless you're talking about a rifle, it seems like if you miss something vital, like don't rely on one shot from a pistol.

00:14:14.000 If it's actually someone on PCP who's a threat, one shot from a pistol often is not nearly as effective as people expect.

00:14:21.000 I hope it was in the leg.

00:14:22.000 I hope it was a shot in the leg.

00:14:23.000 He's like, shoot.

00:14:25.000 It looked like it was a bad thing.

00:14:26.000 It looked like it was torso to me.

00:14:28.000 So let me tell you just how complex this can get at times.

00:14:30.000 Notice the guy shot once.

00:14:31.000 He fired once.

00:14:32.000 Yeah.

00:14:32.000 Right.

00:14:33.000 So some DAs have argued that if you shot once, you were not in imminent danger because your adrenaline was not too high because you were able to shoot once.

00:14:43.000 If you thought that he was actually a harm with a real gun, you would have shot him multiple times.

00:14:48.000 On the other side, you shoot multiple times.

00:14:50.000 They go, this guy was dirty hairy.

00:14:52.000 He was just out there firing.

00:14:53.000 He thought this was Predator One and he had a hit him out of 50 cal.

00:14:57.000 There's no way to win when it's on the edge.

00:15:00.000 So that is the problem with how these are short.

00:15:04.000 It puts these people's lives in danger, right?

00:15:06.000 So I don't agree with you and I'm not advocating nobody is.

00:15:09.000 This is why it starts with good parenting.

00:15:11.000 Well, no, I know.

00:15:11.000 Yeah, that's fine.

00:15:13.000 But at the same time, I don't, like, if I'm in a situation, not like that, obviously, but if I'm in a situation where I might have to reach for a firearm, I don't want the, oh, God, am I going to go to jail for murder defending myself going through my mind?

00:15:26.000 I'd rather just not die, right?

00:15:28.000 I would rather be thinking about protecting my family and my children.

00:15:31.000 Correct.

00:15:31.000 Now, obviously, I don't want there to be room for people to just randomly blow people away because they felt quasi-threatened because a black guy walked up to me.

00:15:38.000 That's an opinion.

00:15:39.000 You know, like, I don't want that.

00:15:42.000 Some opinion.

00:15:43.000 I mean, somebody walks up to me and says, I'm Jehovah's Witness.

00:15:45.000 Bam, bam, bam.

00:15:46.000 I don't want that to happen.

00:15:47.000 Yeah.

00:15:47.000 Okay.

00:15:48.000 But that the state of gun rights, that's not a gun right.

00:15:52.000 That's a last possible chance.

00:15:55.000 There's a thousand percent that you're in the right.

00:15:57.000 Maybe that's not what the founders intended.

00:15:59.000 No, right.

00:16:00.000 Like we needed to be able to defend ourselves.

00:16:01.000 That's not defending yourself.

00:16:02.000 That's praying that you don't go to jail doing something that you have the right to do.

00:16:06.000 Everybody would have been fine with in 1850 going, well, yeah, that guy was a prick.

00:16:10.000 He had a gun.

00:16:10.000 Of course, shoot him.

00:16:11.000 Yeah.

00:16:12.000 Yeah, that guy, what?

00:16:14.000 He stole your property?

00:16:16.000 Why is this man still alive?

00:16:17.000 I didn't realize you didn't know how to shoot.

00:16:19.000 I think you get shot if you don't shoot the guy who stole your patch in 1850.

00:16:23.000 Wait, a man stole your property, was armed, and he's still alive.

00:16:27.000 Is this a riddle, you say?

00:16:30.000 What were we going to say, Noodles?

00:16:31.000 Research says that charging documents specify it was a 45.

00:16:34.000 45.

00:16:34.000 It was a 45?

00:16:37.000 Like, I don't use anything with a caliber that's less than four.

00:16:40.000 And wasn't he talking to him afterwards?

00:16:41.000 He was like, help me.

00:16:42.000 He's like, I'm not your friend.

00:16:43.000 In other words, the guy seemed like he was relatively okay.

00:16:46.000 Yeah.

00:16:47.000 Well, I mean, he could say, help me.

00:16:49.000 I don't know.

00:16:49.000 It might not have been a hollow point.

00:16:52.000 Yeah, but also seated, so it's kind of hard.

00:16:54.000 Like, if he was standing, you would have seen him fall.

00:16:56.000 The oddity of someone who would be carrying a gun in their bag and then ready to pull it out and engage.

00:17:02.000 I think it was charged.

00:17:03.000 Using a hollow point is there's a lot of idiocy.

00:17:07.000 I think it was charged.

00:17:08.000 Did he charge it first or did he?

00:17:10.000 If we can't, let's watch it again, guys.

00:17:12.000 Let's watch it one more time.

00:17:13.000 And I'll count the amount of time for him to draw his weapon.

00:17:15.000 All right, here we go.

00:17:17.000 Okay, so now he's coming.

00:17:19.000 Okay, back up.

00:17:20.000 Okay.

00:17:21.000 He's like snarking.

00:17:22.000 Yeah.

00:17:23.000 Okay.

00:17:24.000 One, two.

00:17:24.000 Now the guy's grabbing.

00:17:25.000 Three, four, five.

00:17:28.000 He's like, what's that?

00:17:29.000 What's that?

00:17:29.000 Seven, eight, nine.

00:17:33.000 Yeah, that was charged.

00:17:34.000 Yeah, it was already charged.

00:17:35.000 One in the chamber.

00:17:36.000 I will also say Bereman Frenchman waited until the gun was pointed. 0.55

00:17:41.000 Yeah.

00:17:42.000 He did not fire as soon as it was pulled.

00:17:45.000 Jammed, too. 0.99

00:17:46.000 Show me your ID.

00:17:47.000 Not did it jam?

00:17:50.000 Now there you go.

00:17:51.000 You can see.

00:17:51.000 So you can see the gun right there.

00:17:53.000 Yeah.

00:17:53.000 Yeah, it looks like it looks like a black gun.

00:17:56.000 He still has his finger on the trigger, is what it looks like.

00:17:58.000 It's in a holster.

00:17:59.000 It looks like it's in a gun.

00:18:00.000 Is it In a holster?

00:18:00.000 Okay.

00:18:01.000 So that's the whole thing.

00:18:01.000 He's leaning down, and that's when the guy starts to go to his backpack.

00:18:04.000 He's like, okay, he's reaching for something else.

00:18:06.000 Obviously, he's got a knife.

00:18:07.000 Now he's not going to be able to close distance.

00:18:09.000 Fine.

00:18:09.000 He starts reaching down, and that's when he actually steps back.

00:18:12.000 He pulls his gun out.

00:18:13.000 Yeah.

00:18:13.000 And then he waits and fires.

00:18:15.000 And it looks like there's some communication.

00:18:16.000 I don't know what's being said.

00:18:17.000 Hold on.

00:18:17.000 I do have a question.

00:18:18.000 Did you say it looks like his gun jams?

00:18:19.000 Was he trying to fire again?

00:18:20.000 And it doesn't look like he was trying to fire again, but it did look good.

00:18:23.000 His gun jams, so he might have been trying to fire again.

00:18:25.000 Because watch it again.

00:18:26.000 His gun jams.

00:18:27.000 He recharges it.

00:18:28.000 I thought maybe he was dropping the magazine and clearing the chamber.

00:18:32.000 Maybe you're right.

00:18:33.000 But let's watch it again.

00:18:34.000 I don't know.

00:18:34.000 No, I think it did jam.

00:18:36.000 Okay, so there's the first shot.

00:18:38.000 Bang.

00:18:38.000 And then.

00:18:44.000 All right, everybody.

00:18:47.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:48.000 Yeah, it definitely jammed.

00:18:49.000 All right.

00:18:50.000 Good spot.

00:18:50.000 But it doesn't look like he was trying to fire.

00:18:52.000 No, here's the thing.

00:18:53.000 He likely paused.

00:18:54.000 He likely only would have known, right, Bill, that it jammed if he was trying to fire.

00:18:58.000 Yeah.

00:18:58.000 Well, he may have seen that it jammed.

00:19:01.000 He pulls his gun down.

00:19:03.000 Hold on, he fires.

00:19:04.000 He pulls his gun down.

00:19:06.000 It looks like he sees like, okay, this isn't going to go any further.

00:19:08.000 And he looks down, and that's when he starts to clear it.

00:19:11.000 Well, that's when you have a malfunction.

00:19:13.000 You're going to pull the water down.

00:19:14.000 No, no, no, I know, but I'm saying, like, he would have done it very quickly and hurriedly if he was trying to fire a second shot.

00:19:19.000 I don't think he would.

00:19:20.000 I don't think you would necessarily notice that it would.

00:19:23.000 Again, except my gut says he wouldn't have noticed that it jammed unless he was trying to fire again, most likely.

00:19:28.000 Well, so here's the thing.

00:19:28.000 That's usually when you find out.

00:19:29.000 I have a video from us this weekend.

00:19:32.000 My 1911 jammed.

00:19:34.000 That horrible 1911 magazine.

00:19:36.000 Clearing the malfunction.

00:19:36.000 Yeah.

00:19:37.000 Yeah.

00:19:37.000 It's like this.

00:19:38.000 It's.

00:19:39.000 Oh, I'm an idiot.

00:19:40.000 I'm on camera.

00:19:40.000 Shit.

00:19:41.000 Yeah, pulling it down, clearing it.

00:19:42.000 Yeah.

00:19:43.000 That looks to me like he tried to shoot again.

00:19:44.000 No, but so here's why I would say no.

00:19:47.000 Like, do you see him doing it with any kind of hurry, any kind of intensity at all?

00:19:51.000 Well, some people walk in front of him.

00:19:53.000 He still has the gun trained on him.

00:19:54.000 I mean, it's three and a half seconds.

00:19:56.000 He still has the gun trained on him, and then the next thing you know, he's clearing a jam.

00:20:00.000 So in other words, he could have easily tried to fight.

00:20:02.000 He takes the lights down, clears it.

00:20:06.000 Okay, I got to fight you on this one, Gerald.

00:20:08.000 In that moment, you're keeping your eyes on the guy who just had the gun.

00:20:11.000 You're seeing, you're assessing what's happening.

00:20:12.000 You're pulling it down.

00:20:13.000 You're trying to figure out.

00:20:15.000 You don't want to look down and clear.

00:20:16.000 But I don't think it's clear either way whether he was trying to shoot again.

00:20:20.000 Right.

00:20:20.000 Other than the fact that he did not pull the gun back up again.

00:20:23.000 I'm saying it'd be very hard to make the case that he was.

00:20:25.000 I'm not saying he wasn't.

00:20:26.000 It'd be very hard to make the case.

00:20:28.000 Based on what I've seen, like if I'm firing and I'm a novice, right?

00:20:30.000 So I'm just give your everyman opinion.

00:20:32.000 If I'm firing and I pull the trigger again, I'm looking immediately at the gun.

00:20:35.000 What's wrong with my gun?

00:20:36.000 I can tell you this, it doesn't look like a very obvious jam.

00:20:39.000 In other words, it might be one where there's a failure to fully extract that you wouldn't know.

00:20:42.000 In other words, from the back of the game.

00:20:43.000 You have to look if there are some jams that you don't know from the back of the gun until you look.

00:20:48.000 And the only way you would know it's jammed is if you pull the trigger and it's not going.

00:20:52.000 In other words, you can't know if it's jammed or not until you either do one of two things, look or pull.

00:20:58.000 And we were just giving the guy, we were just giving the guy credit for having good weapon discipline, good barrel discipline, and not, oh, he didn't shoot until he had acquired a target.

00:21:08.000 He didn't do that.

00:21:09.000 If you have good gun discipline, barrel discipline, whatever you want to call it, you don't just clear it right here like this.

00:21:15.000 Right.

00:21:15.000 No, I'm not saying you would have done that.

00:21:16.000 Come down.

00:21:17.000 Yeah.

00:21:17.000 No, you guys are going to get my point.

00:21:19.000 Like, you're strawmanning my point.

00:21:21.000 My point is he's not acting with any kind of urgency at all.

00:21:24.000 Like, there is no hurried movement because I'm still, I'm trying to put more shots.

00:21:27.000 Okay, I'll prove you wrong in real time.

00:21:30.000 I'll prove you wrong in real time.

00:21:31.000 I will prove you wrong in real time.

00:21:33.000 Okay.

00:21:33.000 I will play the clip where he shoots.

00:21:35.000 I just want to be contentious today.

00:21:37.000 Where he shoots.

00:21:38.000 It's one of those days.

00:21:39.000 So look.

00:21:39.000 So the sense of urgency, right?

00:21:40.000 Can we all agree?

00:21:41.000 The established baseline is the highest sense of urgency is when he shoots, right?

00:21:46.000 Obviously?

00:21:47.000 Yes.

00:21:47.000 Okay.

00:21:48.000 So we'll count how many seconds he stays in that exact position of the utmost urgency before he looks down to clear a gem.

00:21:55.000 That's how many seconds he would have to fire again.

00:21:57.000 It's hard as much as possible.

00:21:58.000 Pause right before he shoots.

00:22:00.000 There's no play.

00:22:02.000 Yeah.

00:22:04.000 Bang.

00:22:04.000 One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.

00:22:11.000 Okay, pause.

00:22:11.000 See, so at any point during those nine seconds, at the highest, he's in the same position as the highest sense of urgency.

00:22:17.000 It seems very likely that he would have tried to fire again.

00:22:19.000 He did not move that gun off of that target.

00:22:22.000 And the next thing you know, so he goes from, I'm here to shoot, shoots, I'm still here to shoot.

00:22:28.000 And then for some reason, starts checking the weapon.

00:22:30.000 You guys said that you guys said that the reason that he did it is because he likely was trying to fire again and realized he couldn't.

00:22:36.000 Yes.

00:22:36.000 Yeah.

00:22:38.000 It's likely.

00:22:39.000 It is likely.

00:22:41.000 I would call it a.

00:22:42.000 I mean, I'll give you benefit of the doubt, Gerald.

00:22:44.000 55-45.

00:22:45.000 Yeah.

00:22:45.000 Yeah, but why?

00:22:46.000 Why would y'all say that?

00:22:47.000 He's sitting there holding it.

00:22:48.000 So wouldn't it make the most sense to put rounds into the target immediately?

00:22:51.000 Like, not just one, wait a little bit.

00:22:53.000 The point is, he could have been pulling that trigger.

00:22:55.000 Hold on, let me make my point.

00:22:56.000 I don't disagree with you.

00:22:57.000 What I'm saying is, he pulls the trigger, bang.

00:23:00.000 He pulls it again, nothing.

00:23:01.000 What do you do when nothing happens when you pull the trigger?

00:23:04.000 A lot of people instinctively pull it again.

00:23:06.000 He pulled it again.

00:23:06.000 So some people pick it again.

00:23:08.000 Hold on.

00:23:08.000 He pulls it again.

00:23:09.000 Eight seconds worth of that?

00:23:11.000 Yeah.

00:23:11.000 No.

00:23:12.000 No way.

00:23:13.000 No way.

00:23:13.000 Not a chance in hell.

00:23:14.000 Not a chance in hell.

00:23:15.000 He's pulling that thing six, seven seconds worth of time to try to figure out what's going on.

00:23:19.000 He pulls it down.

00:23:21.000 He doesn't look like he's scared.

00:23:22.000 He doesn't look like he's trying to fire again.

00:23:23.000 No, he doesn't.

00:23:24.000 But I'm just saying.

00:23:25.000 If there's another camera angle, if there's another angle and it shows in any way that he tried to pull that trigger a second time, that would factor in, I would imagine, quite a big deal because at that point, the guy is neutralized.

00:23:35.000 He's not moving forward.

00:23:36.000 If there's any proof that this happened, click a second time, he's done.

00:23:42.000 So Bill's point was you can see that.

00:23:43.000 If he does, but there is a second angle.

00:23:46.000 I think that there's no indication there that he saw more danger, but there is the risk of it because literally the gun's just for still right there.

00:23:56.000 Yeah.

00:23:57.000 Yeah.

00:23:57.000 Boom.

00:23:57.000 Yeah.

00:23:58.000 Right.

00:23:58.000 But let me say this real quick.

00:23:59.000 There is a second angle that doesn't have as much cover, I don't think.

00:24:03.000 So if guys, you can pull that.

00:24:05.000 I don't know all of what it shows.

00:24:06.000 I remember seeing it, but I don't remember if it's better or not.

00:24:08.000 Well, I think we should take some chat for Bill.

00:24:10.000 But really quickly, can these representatives be actually arrested if they don't come back?

00:24:14.000 So they definitely can be arrested.

00:24:16.000 But here's the point.

00:24:17.000 Outside of the state, we're just going, Abbott's going for the gold here, right?

00:24:22.000 The Warwanto or the Warranto, which is a maneuver to say you've neutralized because you failed to do your duty, is actually has a lot of historical precedent around you've decided you're not going to do your duty, right?

00:24:33.000 You have actively solicited funds to leave the state.

00:24:36.000 You have said, we're going to continue indefinitely staying out here because we don't want this one item out of 18 items on this special session to get passed.

00:24:44.000 And the reality is, is that this power does exist.

00:24:48.000 Now, Abbott was going for the immediate strike on getting them bounced right now with the Supreme Court.

00:24:53.000 Supreme Court does clearly have the authority to make this.

00:24:56.000 The Texas Supreme Court make this decision.

00:24:58.000 But I think understandably so, because this is a very rare situation, they're waiting and have required additional briefing until September 4th.

00:25:05.000 And then at that point, there can be another session that gets called by Abbott to do another special session, another 30 days.

00:25:12.000 Why does all this matter from a timing?

00:25:14.000 September 9th is one of the earliest deadlines for primary filing.

00:25:18.000 So if you're going to start running or doing other things, you're going to want to know by early September because you've got to get those dates in.

00:25:24.000 So there's definitely a game of chicken here.

00:25:27.000 But without question, the Texas Constitution imbues within these legislators as officers of the state an obligation to come and participate.

00:25:35.000 And their decision not to gives very wide open for Abbott to do what he's doing.

00:25:41.000 All of that said, I really don't like the idea of Abbott saying, well, they're gerrymandering.

00:25:46.000 We should gerrymander too.

00:25:47.000 We got to convince these hearts and minds.

00:25:49.000 We got to play the game to a certain extent.

00:25:52.000 But the reality is that these guys have done something wrong here by leaving the state intentionally.

00:25:57.000 And all power under the law should be used.

00:25:59.000 And it seems very clear from the precedent that this is what they can do.

00:26:03.000 I hope they do.

00:26:04.000 That'd be fun.

00:26:04.000 Yeah.

00:26:04.000 Didn't they pass it, though, for some reason?

00:26:06.000 I thought I saw a headline saying that they did actually pass it or at least the first step had been taken to pass it.

00:26:11.000 Well, there's steps that come up before the final votes come.

00:26:14.000 So they've got committees and other things to be able to get through those steps so that it becomes presented to the houses.

00:26:20.000 That may be what I saw.

00:26:21.000 All right.

00:26:21.000 Well, we do have a second angle of it if you're not.

00:26:23.000 Okay, see it.

00:26:23.000 I'm not sure how clear it is or what it shows, but I remember seeing it though.

00:26:26.000 It starts after the shot as the gun's already lowered.

00:26:29.000 So you're not going to see it.

00:26:30.000 All right, never mind.

00:26:31.000 Let's go to Chat Thursday.

00:26:32.000 Let's just assume I was right.

00:26:38.000 Let's assume nothing, Gerald.

00:26:40.000 Let's assume nothing.

00:26:41.000 Yeah, I'll assume that we're tired of hearing you laugh.

00:26:45.000 Yeah.

00:26:46.000 I know I've been a little bit of the punching bag today.

00:26:50.000 Oh my gosh.

00:26:51.000 You played the video and playing the victim.

00:26:56.000 I was like, wait a minute.

00:26:57.000 You told me I was wiggling it at all.

00:26:59.000 I was jealous of Travis Kelsey because I am not good at football.

00:27:02.000 Yeah.

00:27:02.000 You told Josh he hadn't experienced real struggle.

00:27:05.000 I've never said that again.

00:27:06.000 In fact, also, real quick.

00:27:08.000 You said that old man in the wheelchair deserved it. 1.00

00:27:11.000 Yeah.

00:27:11.000 He kind of did.

00:27:12.000 He pulled a gun.

00:27:13.000 Look, there's a high-res.

00:27:15.000 It is still holstered, but that's a black tip on that.

00:27:17.000 That is a black tip.

00:27:18.000 that looks like a real gun.

00:27:19.000 I think the least relevant fact is going to be, it wasn't a real gun.

00:27:21.000 I think everyone's going to go, of course, you would assume it's a real gun.

00:27:23.000 It doesn't matter.

00:27:23.000 Yeah, you have to assume it's a real gun.

00:27:24.000 If we're going to save that, if we're going to use that same argument for a police officer.

00:27:27.000 Why would you carry that?

00:27:28.000 You're freaking.

00:27:29.000 What are you going to do with it?

00:27:30.000 Just brandish it and hope somebody else doesn't have a gun?

00:27:32.000 You know, hey, he was on his way to an airsoft competition.

00:27:37.000 I think maybe the guy, you know, maybe he's one of those guys where he wants test something for self-defense, but he doesn't feel comfortable.

00:27:43.000 I mean, this is, I'm just thinking from somebody from Seattle.

00:27:46.000 He doesn't feel comfortable carrying a weapon of war, as Tim Walz was saying.

00:27:51.000 And maybe he's just like, I want some kind of self-defense measure.

00:27:54.000 Not thinking about the fact if you pull that out and you're not intending to use it.

00:27:57.000 It doesn't matter.

00:27:57.000 You are.

00:27:58.000 Even if you do use it, you're just going to piss somebody off.

00:28:00.000 Yeah.

00:28:01.000 Well, here's what this is also the point I was making.

00:28:02.000 And Bill, as someone who has a lot of experience with different caliber handguns, I am of the belief because there's been so much made to be about the caliber wars.

00:28:11.000 Remember, it was like, everyone was like, you need at least a 40 Smith and Weston.

00:28:14.000 And then it turns out there's no real difference between that and modern nine millimeter ammunition.

00:28:18.000 That if this was an actual threat, meaning if this was a life or death scenario, people go, I use 45 because it's the only number, I only need one shot.

00:28:27.000 I think you'd be better off with two or three shots of 32 than one of 45.

00:28:31.000 I think people who think they're going to stop it with one shot are deluding themselves.

00:28:35.000 And what's most important is to carry something that you can shoot well.

00:28:38.000 Because if you can get one shot and not get a follow-up shot, we see how it doesn't necessarily, in many scenarios, doesn't even come close to stopping people.

00:28:45.000 The guy in the wheelchair was just, he carries that in hopes that if something happens, he can intimidate somebody into because I don't think he's an aggressor.

00:28:52.000 I don't think he's ever had any intention of being an aggressor.

00:28:55.000 So I think he's like, well, if something happens to me because I'm in a wheelchair and I'm old, hopefully this will help stop somebody.

00:29:00.000 Oh, shit, he has a real gun.

00:29:02.000 Yeah.

00:29:03.000 I think that's what happened.

00:29:04.000 And by the way, you guys are making great points.

00:29:05.000 I just want to say, I'm arguing over practical reality is people, people carry BB guns and airsoft guns legitimately who are saying, I couldn't fire a real gun.

00:29:13.000 I don't know how to do it.

00:29:14.000 I feel unsafe to have a real gun.

00:29:15.000 I don't know how to.

00:29:16.000 Don't carry it.

00:29:16.000 But I at least am going to do that in their home or something.

00:29:19.000 Now, hey, I would say is the answer of saying don't do that is actually not a super clear-cut answer either.

00:29:26.000 You're going to have a risk that someone is going to see that as a threat and do it.

00:29:30.000 But if you had nothing versus at least some chance to brandish something that would get someone to run away.

00:29:37.000 Yeah.

00:29:39.000 Is the answer 100%?

00:29:40.000 It's not perfect.

00:29:41.000 No, it's not what you would do.

00:29:42.000 It's not what I would do.

00:29:43.000 Well, no.

00:29:43.000 It's a bad risk.

00:29:44.000 I wouldn't do it either.

00:29:45.000 I think it increases your chance of being in a situation where you will end up.

00:29:49.000 And this is a great example of that, but it is anecdotal.

00:29:52.000 I agree.

00:29:52.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:53.000 I think there's what he should do, what he shouldn't do.

00:29:55.000 And I think we all agree.

00:29:56.000 The guy shouldn't have brandished that firearm, real or not.

00:29:59.000 Shouldn't have brandished a knife, shouldn't have kept charging after the guy.

00:30:02.000 He should have just done what you have to do and just let yourself get robbed and hope that people are going to be able to get away from it.

00:30:06.000 Oh, geez, here he goes.

00:30:08.000 Yada, yada, yada.

00:30:08.000 I'm just arguing over emotion.

00:30:10.000 Your fucking wallet, Josh.

00:30:11.000 I agree.

00:30:12.000 I agree with Josh as far as what is right.

00:30:15.000 But I will say this, as far as advice, anyone who tells you they carry a knife because that's a defensive tool, discount them right away.

00:30:21.000 I carry a knife all the time, but it's a tool.

00:30:24.000 Yes.

00:30:24.000 As a defensive weapon, then you're still coming down to hand-to-hand combat.

00:30:29.000 Are you bigger, stronger, more athletic than the other person?

00:30:32.000 If the answer is no, you do not want to introduce a knife because now it's his knife.

00:30:35.000 The argument they use.

00:30:36.000 Unless your wheelchair is equipped like the Batmobile and it shoots knives out. 0.98

00:30:42.000 Look, in that case.

00:30:43.000 Yeah.

00:30:44.000 If you have a katana, that doesn't.

00:30:46.000 Okay, that's a little bit different.

00:30:47.000 And you're Asian.

00:30:48.000 But some people are like, I have a knife.

00:30:49.000 It's like, you want to get in close with the guy who is bigger and stronger than you?

00:30:54.000 I would say firearm that you know how to shoot well or avoid the altercation at all costs.

00:30:59.000 People are like, all I need is a blade in 145.

00:31:02.000 No, you're just delusional, okay?

00:31:04.000 Chuck Norse.

00:31:04.000 And my ninja.

00:31:06.000 Yeah.

00:31:06.000 My African throwing knives.

00:31:08.000 Nunchucks.

00:31:09.000 Not like those Finnish throwing knives. 1.00

00:31:11.000 That's for pussy. 1.00

00:31:12.000 My son's been begging me for nunchucks.

00:31:14.000 He's like, but I was like, do you want some nunchucks?

00:31:16.000 He's like, no, I want you to get them.

00:31:18.000 I'm not ready.

00:31:18.000 I would like kid-sized nunchucks.

00:31:21.000 I was like, you are my quarter Asian baby. 0.73

00:31:23.000 The most impractical weapon ever, nunchucks.

00:31:26.000 And ninja stars.

00:31:27.000 It'll just cause a surface wound. 0.53

00:31:28.000 All right, let's go, chats.

00:31:29.000 All right, first chat from Ignatum.

00:31:32.000 Question for Bill.

00:31:33.000 Can the info on the shooter driving through the tent be brought into the upcoming trial?

00:31:37.000 It definitely could be.

00:31:39.000 So prior bad acts is a rule of evidence that says that there are limitations on why you could bring in a prior bad act to prove another bad act.

00:31:49.000 So just because you were a fighter when you were in your 20s, does that mean you actually stole something in your 40s, right?

00:31:58.000 But there are exceptions to that.

00:31:59.000 So for example, if someone says, no, I've never even been in a fight, right?

00:32:04.000 You can use it to impeach them.

00:32:05.000 You can use it to show they had knowledge of how to fight.

00:32:07.000 If they're like, I've never used a lockpick in my entire life, I wouldn't even know what to do with this.

00:32:12.000 And it's like, you've done 97 cat burglaries in your teenage years, right?

00:32:16.000 So there's some exceptions there that would allow this to come in.

00:32:19.000 So for example, here, having an act of violence being used to show that you have a propensity for violence or what your mindset was or what your intent was.

00:32:29.000 Provocation.

00:32:29.000 Yeah.

00:32:30.000 So all of that is like, is this the kind of guy that would just attack someone innocently?

00:32:35.000 Yeah.

00:32:35.000 I don't know.

00:32:35.000 Has he ever driven a truck into a tent full of people?

00:32:39.000 No, surely he hasn't done that.

00:32:41.000 For his parting words, it's my duty to handle more of them.

00:32:45.000 Yeah.

00:32:45.000 I would almost say that's more relevant where he said, you know, it was his duty, allegedly, to take action against the Trump administration.

00:32:51.000 If I'm a lawyer, I argue like that shows this man is deluded and is willing to take law, the law into his own hands.

00:32:56.000 I mean, he's done it twice now, right?

00:32:57.000 So would you abuse violence in that instance?

00:33:01.000 Maybe you know, but did he get arraigned yet?

00:33:03.000 Because I saw 750,000.

00:33:05.000 I don't think he's been arraigned.

00:33:06.000 He didn't show up on the actual next day at the arraignment, but they did charge him.

00:33:11.000 But I think it's a $750,000 bond.

00:33:13.000 I think so.

00:33:14.000 Okay, because I saw something, a video online of him being interrogated, I guess, but questioned or questions being asked.

00:33:21.000 And he must have been arraigned.

00:33:22.000 And I don't know if it's from this.

00:33:24.000 It might be from the Trump thing.

00:33:25.000 I think I thought it was from this guy.

00:33:27.000 I didn't know about the tent thing.

00:33:29.000 So they asked him, why did you feel a need to do that?

00:33:33.000 Yeah.

00:33:34.000 Because he said he felt a need to do it.

00:33:36.000 So I don't know which one it's from, but.

00:33:39.000 That could also be argued like this may be a delusional behavior, a compulsive compulsion to take the law into your own hands.

00:33:45.000 It's a character flaw or something.

00:33:47.000 Yeah.

00:33:48.000 He's a piece of shit.

00:33:48.000 Next chat.

00:33:49.000 He's scheduled for arraignment on August 8th.

00:33:52.000 So it must be.

00:33:52.000 Well, better late than never.

00:33:54.000 August 8th.

00:33:54.000 It's already August 8th.

00:33:55.000 28th?

00:33:56.000 18th.

00:33:57.000 Oh, okay.

00:33:58.000 This whole thing is just contentious today, so I figured it out.

00:34:00.000 Yeah, it's fun.

00:34:01.000 It's fun.

00:34:02.000 Screw you, Noodles. 1.00

00:34:03.000 All right, next chat.

00:34:04.000 I'm sure I'm going to assume blanketedly that Noodles has never known struggle either.

00:34:08.000 No, never.

00:34:09.000 Next chat.

00:34:09.000 All right, next chat from Carfel.

00:34:11.000 Question for Bill and the Crew.

00:34:12.000 I knew I was going to get in with that.

00:34:13.000 I know.

00:34:14.000 I knew.

00:34:15.000 It's a private guilt.

00:34:16.000 I got you fired up.

00:34:17.000 Well, if he didn't get you because you had no conscience, there's no way out.

00:34:20.000 I knew that saying becoming a professional football player wasn't hard would get you fired up.

00:34:24.000 Have you ever tried reading a chat while you're talking, Josh?

00:34:27.000 All right, Carfel, for Bill and the Cruise.

00:34:29.000 What are your thoughts, Fenny on the legal deal?

00:34:31.000 Especially while short.

00:34:32.000 Say something to Stephen.

00:34:34.000 Finny on the legal, his name's on the wall.

00:34:36.000 On the legal developments of the Frisco stabbing.

00:34:39.000 I'm hearing a lot of things about the Anthony family, but not sure how to confirm.

00:34:43.000 I haven't heard any recent updates.

00:34:45.000 I think they're probably going through the process right now.

00:34:47.000 Yeah, I haven't heard anything recently about it.

00:34:48.000 I mean, maybe we can look it up and see kind of what the latest headline is, but I mean, it's going to be a process.

00:34:54.000 Yeah.

00:34:55.000 Yeah, I don't think there have been any significant updates.

00:34:58.000 Next chat.

00:34:58.000 All right.

00:34:59.000 Next chat from Robert B.3.

00:35:01.000 It's kind of specific.

00:35:02.000 By the way, you did that beautifully, Noodles.

00:35:03.000 The struggle was worth it.

00:35:04.000 Come on.

00:35:04.000 It's worth it.

00:35:05.000 For half Asian Bill, can someone be held legally responsible if they give a firearm to a law-abiding trans person and they then use it in a mass shooting? 0.90

00:35:14.000 What?

00:35:14.000 It's very specific.

00:35:16.000 It's oddly specific.

00:35:18.000 Are you concerned about your trans friends?

00:35:20.000 Yoinks.

00:35:21.000 You gave a gun to?

00:35:23.000 I mean, so there was a recent shooting where a father had helped to procure a weapon and some ammunition and had been charged.

00:35:33.000 There's also Michigan?

00:35:35.000 I think so.

00:35:36.000 And then there are states that are expanding what we would typically have called vicarious liability.

00:35:42.000 Are you connected to it?

00:35:43.000 Have you done it?

00:35:43.000 All the way from manufacturers to gun dealers and other things like that.

00:35:47.000 There is precedent around if you know that someone is going to go do something or has a propensity for violence that you have now, from a civil standpoint, known or should have known that this was going to lead to harm.

00:35:58.000 So maybe negligence, Something along those lines.

00:36:01.000 The problem is a lot of this is state by state, and it really comes down to how much did you know or should you have known as a reasonable person in that circumstance?

00:36:08.000 If someone has been sitting around joking about doing bad things and shooting people, et cetera, and you're like, Yeah, here, why don't you just take my Browning M50, whatever, right?

00:36:17.000 Like, just not like, don't, don't, don't do that, right?

00:36:22.000 But by the same token, you know, for example, some folks have tried to hold people who do firearms training liable.

00:36:27.000 So, oh, I did my concealed carry training.

00:36:30.000 Well, if they hadn't trained them how to do it and offered the license, and then they wouldn't have three years later been able to pull their gun and shoot a guy in a wheelchair, right? 0.96

00:36:37.000 So, there are limits on what that is, and usually what it is is a proximate causation, what could have reasonably been anticipated.

00:36:43.000 And does the law create a duty?

00:36:44.000 Just merely giving a gun to someone or selling them a gun, assuming it was all legal and all of it was above board, then that most likely would not lead to liability.

00:36:54.000 You might still get sued.

00:36:55.000 Yeah, well, just to give you an idea, there's a company, is it called SCCY?

00:37:00.000 And they were sued because they only sold for a long time one pistol.

00:37:04.000 It was like a pocket, like a concealed carry nine millimeter, right?

00:37:06.000 Their whole thing was selling an affordable pistol.

00:37:09.000 They kind of consolidated.

00:37:10.000 And since they marketed it as something that is, you know, reliable and easy to conceal, they were sued in certain states saying, You marketed this as something that was easy to conceal, and that's why it's been used in a disproportionate amount of gang shootings.

00:37:23.000 Well, it turns out the reason I was using a lot of gang shooting is because it was cheap.

00:37:26.000 Yeah.

00:37:27.000 And they also had like a lifetime guarantee where they would replace a stolen pistol.

00:37:31.000 So some people are going, like, yeah, my pistol got stolen.

00:37:33.000 It's like, oh, okay.

00:37:34.000 And they replaced it.

00:37:35.000 But they were sued because their marketing said, hey, a concealed carry pistol is really easy to conceal.

00:37:40.000 So there are always anti-gun hawks out there who will.

00:37:44.000 That was a big one with Remington.

00:37:45.000 They were saying, like, you know, you're literally advertising this using military, you know, paraphernalia or imagery and whatnot.

00:37:52.000 So like you're literally saying, bring the weapon of war to your local school district, right?

00:37:56.000 But that's clearly not what the purpose is.

00:37:58.000 If you want to take a little snapshot of something, you're going to make that argument in the same way that you could take anything out of context, right?

00:38:04.000 You could, are we going to act on every single joke we hear someone say, right?

00:38:08.000 Because they've made an offhand comment.

00:38:10.000 I mean, that's where it really, like, letting that process go through and why the legal system is adversarial because you need to be able to attack those and let people really make the right decision.

00:38:20.000 Yeah.

00:38:21.000 All right.

00:38:21.000 Yes.

00:38:21.000 Two things.

00:38:22.000 Follow-up.

00:38:23.000 So SCCY apparently just shut down.

00:38:27.000 And then we do have a follow-up from Robert.

00:38:30.000 B3.

00:38:31.000 Oh.

00:38:31.000 Can I be held legally responsible if I transfer ownership of a firearm to my non-criminal trans kid who then uses it to commit a mass shooting?

00:38:40.000 I mean, if let me just say something.

00:38:43.000 If you were asking for legal advice to transfer something to a trans person who you think may be capable of a mass shooting, don't do it.

00:38:52.000 And I hope you both seek counseling.

00:38:55.000 Yes.

00:38:55.000 This seems like it might be a trap question.

00:38:58.000 Or you're disturbed anyway because also, let me just add, any kid who wants to shoot anyone, whether mass or otherwise, don't give it to them.

00:39:06.000 Don't give it to them.

00:39:07.000 If they want to shoot an animal with it that is not legal, don't do it.

00:39:09.000 If they just want to go shoot it in the air, don't do it.

00:39:12.000 The fact that you're concerned about this and asking questions means that this will likely end up in a case somewhere if anything ever happens and they'll be like, we're not your lawyers.

00:39:20.000 I'm not concerned about it.

00:39:21.000 Don't do it.

00:39:23.000 You've got the concerns.

00:39:24.000 The yellow flag seems like a red flag.

00:39:26.000 It's a rainbow flag.

00:39:27.000 It is a red.

00:39:28.000 Oh.

00:39:28.000 Rainbow flag.

00:39:29.000 It's got skulls on it.

00:39:29.000 Don't do it.

00:39:30.000 Do they make red?

00:39:31.000 Yeah.

00:39:32.000 Okay.

00:39:32.000 Next two chats.

00:39:34.000 All right.

00:39:34.000 Next chat from LC Campbell52.

00:39:37.000 Now I need to know, never having seen that open flashback before, does Bill Richmond actually play the violin?

00:39:43.000 Yes, he does.

00:39:44.000 I have only been playing the violin since I was three and the piano.

00:39:48.000 At gunpoint.

00:39:49.000 Yeah, most likely.

00:39:50.000 My mother does not use guns, only nunchucks. 1.00

00:39:52.000 That's right.

00:39:52.000 Yes.

00:39:53.000 That's right.

00:39:53.000 Bamboo shoots.

00:39:54.000 Fingernails.

00:39:55.000 Bamboo shoots.

00:39:55.000 Yep, the thumbnails.

00:39:57.000 Yep.

00:39:58.000 Yep.

00:39:58.000 Plays violin.

00:39:59.000 And what else do you play?

00:40:01.000 So, yeah, piano, guitar.

00:40:02.000 I mean, violin and piano are the ones I've been doing the most.

00:40:04.000 I can do guitar and a few other stringed instruments.

00:40:06.000 I actually just recently started learning jazz piano, which has been a lot of fun.

00:40:10.000 There you go.

00:40:11.000 Yay.

00:40:12.000 Yeah.

00:40:12.000 Finally, encroaching on some of the territory of the blacks, showing them that there's some Asian representation in there.

00:40:17.000 Yes.

00:40:17.000 Next chat.

00:40:18.000 All right.

00:40:19.000 Next chat from Dee Gadkins.

00:40:21.000 What standing would Trump have to actually take over other cities such as Chicago, Baltimore, New York, et cetera?

00:40:26.000 Well, I mean, we already answered that pretty much none.

00:40:29.000 Yeah, there's very, Very, very, very, very little.

00:40:32.000 So, you know, if Canada were to take over Detroit and we actually cared to recapture it, then there would be some opportunities to be able to have the federal government step in and do some action.

00:40:43.000 But almost all of it involves, is there some kind of foreign power or a complete, like, for example, if certain states just said, hey, we don't care about North Dakota anymore, we just like everybody left.

00:40:53.000 Right.

00:40:54.000 And then the federal government could step in and fill the gap.

00:40:56.000 Right.

00:40:56.000 That makes sense.

00:40:57.000 All right.

00:40:58.000 Final chat because we've got to go and we'll send you on your way either.

00:41:01.000 Well, I guess to Tim Poole and then Russell Brand.

00:41:04.000 All right.

00:41:05.000 Final chat from Brian Kaufman 8468.

00:41:08.000 What do you think of Newsom's threat to further gerrymander California to take away some Republican districts in response to tax?

00:41:14.000 I will say I saw it where he did it all in exclamation, sorry, in all caps and said, thank you for your attention to this matter.

00:41:20.000 That seemed like it was done kind of tongue-in-cheek.

00:41:23.000 I think he's serious in threatening.

00:41:25.000 You think he's serious?

00:41:25.000 I think that post, you're right, was done tongue-in-cheek, but I think he is serious in making that threat.

00:41:30.000 I think he wants to do it.

00:41:32.000 Well, they all do.

00:41:33.000 I don't, yeah, but in the same way that every, you know, wine family wants to take over every neighbor's winery, right?

00:41:40.000 And wants to take over the states, right?

00:41:42.000 I mean, like, yeah, he wants to do bad shit.

00:41:45.000 Is he going to actually do it?

00:41:46.000 Maybe.

00:41:47.000 Is he going to try to do it?

00:41:48.000 Probably.

00:41:49.000 I understand, though, why it might bother someone, you know, the threat of doing something that is antithetical to representing the people of your state, right?

00:42:00.000 In other words, there's a, and I agree, both sides do it, but I do think there is a difference in gerrymandering or redistricting, going, well, look at this district.

00:42:06.000 There are a bunch of Republicans here and they don't have any reps, right?

00:42:10.000 Or you could do the same thing and say, well, look at this district here.

00:42:13.000 It's mostly Democrat and they don't have any reps.

00:42:15.000 And we pointed you to many states where there were 30, 35, 40, 45% Republican with zero representatives.

00:42:22.000 So I agree that both sides kind of play political football with it, but the reasoning behind the redistricting, I think, is the most relevant facet.

00:42:30.000 And in this case, if he means it, assuming it's not tongue-in-cheek, threatening to gerrymander California more because you don't like somebody, which inevitably means, I would assume, means he's, of course, not going to gerrymander it.

00:42:44.000 So it's more conservative representation.

00:42:45.000 So there's going to be less Republican representation in a state where Republicans are woefully underrepresented in comparison to their percentage of the population.

00:42:54.000 That is a man using the actual votes, using the actual will of his own citizens that he is supposed to govern as leverage, as leverage to score political points.

00:43:07.000 And I think that's a whole lot worse than saying, hey, you know what?

00:43:10.000 Temecula out here should probably have one Republican seat because it's a majority Republican. 0.90

00:43:15.000 I think saying, you know what?

00:43:16.000 Guess what?

00:43:18.000 If you do stuff I don't like, I'm going to make sure that none of the people in my state who vote have a voice.

00:43:25.000 How about that?

00:43:27.000 That means they don't care about you and you don't hate your politicians enough.

00:43:32.000 Hardly legal with Bill Richmond.

00:43:34.000 You can watch it on YouTube and on Rumble.

00:43:36.000 Get some legal advice and don't take it from me because I know very little as it relates to the law.

00:43:41.000 I'd shoot him.

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