Comedian Dave Smith joins the show to talk about his experiences with poltergeist activity, and how to deal with it. Plus, we introduce a new segment called "Trying Not To Become Racist," which is about racism.
00:06:57.000Look, I'm not saying it's right or wrong.
00:07:01.000Until you've walked a mile in my pants, maybe don't pass judgment because you've got to face yourself long and hard in that mirror every morning.
00:07:14.000And can you tell yourself in 100% honesty, yeah, I'm the guy who's saying no to a hand job from a middle ghost.
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00:19:46.000we live in two very different worlds at no point what i with the jumping off point for me be clearly i shouldn't have to pay for my own food and so the only solution to a temporary halt and said free food is to bring my criminal cousin to commit battery against you because you didn't get out of the way yeah right this is what looks like a decent apartment by the way if you look behind her she looks fine my word and the problem is by the way the left has been they've constantly trying they've been trying to curry favor with these people to buy their
00:20:16.000votes right the 40 plus percent who pay nothing in federal income taxes and then there are working class americans who are now getting pissed this is how the democrat party lost that segment of americans because they have no sympathy for people talking that way even though they would be in the same class more or less you want to pay for that and if through no fault of your own the government shuts down and they don't continue to receive your taxpayer funded benefits they may assault you
00:20:46.000well today marks the 28th day of this government shutdown and uh things are starting to get scary out there there you go
00:20:58.000i understand that uh you know people there are people out there that need this and and they depend on their their benefits and stuff and i understand people are going to steal but it's one thing to do that yeah to feed your family actually for the first time stealing to feed your family it's another thing to go online and then brag about it yeah and make a threat like a violent threat like you better get out of my way or my cousin which by the way did you even ask your cousin yet did he agree to this yeah exactly who is his cousin why don't you have a boyfriend it sounds like a woman getting a guy into a fight that he didn't choose again you
00:21:28.000said i do what she that never happens this is just look and i and yeah some people do but i'll be honest very very few very very few i was talking about with johnny boy i was like uh i was like yeah dude if i was one of these people that was disabled and couldn't work yeah i i get it i'd be out there steal wait a second uh if i can't walk yeah i'm probably not gonna be stealing shit right yeah if i'm disabled yeah i probably wouldn't be that good of a cat burglar no hmm quite the con quandary maybe maybe
00:21:57.000i should stop lying maybe i should become a productive functioning member of society you know like everyone in every society up until now but i know people say hey that's racist so here's a question who's really most mad about this download the rumble app by the way follow me there that's the best way to stay in touch because we can't actually make our notifications work on youtube change my mind is shocking and violent but on rumble you get notified when we are live who is upset well certainly um non-citizens 1.5 million non-citizens
00:22:27.000collected about 4.2 billion dollars worth of snap benefits uh that's that's unreal and then an additional 2.2 million anchor babies uh collect snap so those people are pretty mad there you go and then a next group of people oh boy i'm just going to say um i don't even want to say uneducated i'll say uh people i don't even want to say they type shorthand um stuff people who people who uh use improper
00:22:57.000grammar uh in search engines is that okay is that okay is that okay try not to become racist uh so the search results and you just start it is that and uh you know what comes up is they cutting food stamps all right let's try it a different way uh is a cutting is they cutting off section eight
00:23:15.000is they cutting section eight as opposed to off that's how they switch it is they cutting off food stamps all you had to do was type in is they and that's basically what came up well it gets worse because you would say well maybe that's because you know it's sometimes it's difficult to referring to them and the collective it's sort of nebulous the government right so you know if you just do it in the first person well that makes it a little bit simpler and that's what brings us to is we getting food stamps next search is we getting a stimulus check
00:23:43.000next one i mean i'm for it is we getting ebt again hold on by the way make make no generalizations it's people there uh it's just people who write this way yeah pull that pull that overlay back up really quickly look no there is is we so it basically it's only stopped by memes of said search below it so that's the only breaks you see is we getting food go back to go back that one oh yeah is we getting food stamps next is we getting food stamps meme and then the next one and then another meme and
00:24:12.000the left will accuse those of making the meme which is based on such a frequent search as to become a meme they'll blame that as the racist component
00:24:22.000and the worst part by the way there are a lot of bad parts but the worst part is all of these prompts because you know ai is only it's only as good as its inputs that's right these prompts have made chat gpt and i disapprove distinctly more racist hey chat gpt is we getting food stamps when is you getting a job Hey, there's no need to add insult to injury, Chat GPT.
00:28:25.000So that's like a part of their culture.
00:28:26.000Like their whole life, they've called it food stamps because they've had to use it or their friends or their parents or somebody else is on food stamps.
00:28:40.000Just if you're going to be on food stamps or EBT, whatever it is, and you need some government assistant, their work requirements and things like that, do that or work for us.
00:28:48.000Why don't we treat people like employees?
00:28:50.000Like if you're going to be fed, housed, taken care of by the government, even if it's just temporary, why don't you perform a service for the community then in response to that?
00:29:01.000Because the community is the one picking up the tap.
00:29:06.000And yet all we have right now is people protesting, shutting down the government over things like making a work requirement to be there so that people that are on any kind of benefit actually provide.
00:29:15.000So that is as good a time as any to actually introduce our guests because as more of a libertarian, and I've often said I'm a libertarian, small L in the past, I would have libertarian leanings.
00:29:25.000We'd probably agree on this as far as SNAP and EBT or any of these social safety nets.
00:29:31.000And that obviously ties back to, of course, immigration, which is where I get off the libertarian train in a lot of ways.
00:31:27.000I agree with you that no one should have secret nukes.
00:31:30.000I think that Israel's nukes are so secret that Dave Smith and Stephen Crowder can talk about it on a podcast, but I don't think that anyone should be able to have some kind of a different protocol on nukes.
00:31:39.000APAC, I've said they should go screw themselves with a wire brush.
00:31:41.000I don't like any lobbying group that acts outside of America's interests.
00:31:45.000I think we would agree on most of that.
00:31:48.000And as I understand it, you're pro-life.
00:31:51.000I know when we test called, you have a cute little guy about the same age as mine.
00:31:56.000And I think that fundamentally changes you.
00:31:58.000So all of these things, we'd be aligned.
00:32:01.000This is why I'm such a universe apart where when I invited you on the show, where you called for impeaching President Trump, that's definitely a divergence.
00:32:13.000And I don't see how that's better for America or the movement if we agree on so much.
00:32:22.000Okay, well, yeah, I think I certainly would agree with you on all the things that you outlined there.
00:32:27.000But I think I would go a bit further and say that not only am I very critical of the foreign aid to Israel or critical of APAC, but I'm also very critical of the neoconservatives who are essentially a core constituency in the Israel lobby.
00:32:43.000I'm very critical of the Republican Party that essentially allowed the neocons to become the drivers of U.S. foreign policy in the George W. Bush administration and many people who still have those same tendencies.
00:32:58.000I mean, the Mark Levins and Ted Cruzes and people like that, well, maybe not officially technically neocons, certainly are in effect no different from them.
00:33:08.000And so in terms of, you know, one of the things like in terms of me calling for Trump's impeachment, one of the things that's interesting to me is that I got so many people as a response to that who essentially, you know, were saying, Ben Shapiro and Josh Hammer and all these guys criticizing me.
00:33:36.000They all said, oh, but no, look, to me, I don't have any loyalty to any politician because I'm a free man in the United States of America.
00:33:45.000Donald Trump launched a war of choice, a war of aggression on behalf of a foreign country while we were in the middle of negotiations with said country.
00:33:55.000I thought it was an unbelievably reckless decision.
00:34:00.000At least for now, it didn't turn into a catastrophe like many of the other conflicts have.
00:34:06.000And Trump deserves certainly a good portion of the credit for that.
00:34:09.000But no, I don't take that back at all.
00:34:11.000I am not, I believe that America should only fight wars when America is threatened.
00:34:18.000And I don't believe in this adventurism, which I think is absolutely crazy, which continues under the Trump administration, continued under the Biden and obviously the Obama and Bush administrations.
00:34:36.000I think some of what you just said, I agree with.
00:34:37.000I disagree with some of the premises, but it sounds like you're saying you still support the idea or did at that point in time, the impeachment of Donald Trump.
00:35:03.000Were you ever at any point, you know, like the Reason Magazine sort of open borders approach to libertarianism?
00:35:10.000Yeah, I mean, I think like when I first became a libertarian, I was kind of, yeah, that was probably my default position.
00:35:18.000It was like, yeah, just allow freedom, freedom of movement.
00:35:20.000The government shouldn't really be doing anything to nonviolent people.
00:35:23.000But it was actually libertarian thinkers who convinced me the other way, most notably Murray Rothbard and Hans Hermann Hoppe.
00:35:31.000And essentially, I just got convinced by their argument that it's not, in fact, the correct libertarian position.
00:35:36.000Like it doesn't follow from libertarian principles that government property ought to be available to the entire world.
00:35:44.000In fact, what follows from libertarian principles is that is really more taxation is theft, that the government robbed from the domestic population in order to fund and maintain government property.
00:35:54.000And therefore, it should probably approximate what the domestic population would like to be done with it.
00:36:10.000Can I just very quickly just say that it is true that there are organizations like Cato and Reason and stuff like that that are more open borders.
00:36:17.000But it's also true that Ron Paul, I think, is probably the most mainstream libertarian ever.
00:36:21.000And he completely agrees with border restrictions.
00:36:24.000So it's debatable what the mainstream libertarian position is.
00:36:29.000And I just, because a lot of people see libertarians, and of course they see the foolishness that they see on a national platform of open borders.
00:36:35.000A lot of libertarians and go, like, you're not that.
00:36:37.000I also want to be clear too, to be as charitable as possible.
00:36:39.000I hate the word, but just to be as sincere as possible.
00:36:59.000And because I invited you, Candace Owens, some other people on the show, you're the only one who had the balls to show up, which I appreciate.
00:37:06.000I don't want people lumping you in that category.
00:37:08.000I think you have legitimate grievances with the government of Israel, and that does not make somebody anti-Semitic.
00:37:14.000I just say this because I want to cut off at the past people going, he hates Jews.
00:37:17.000There are people going, he's a shoe for the Jews.
00:37:19.000It's like, well, okay, none of those things are true.
00:37:21.000Going back to the impeachment, that was the original question.
00:38:02.000And I don't know if I agree with you that, I mean, look, yeah, if you're comparing Donald Trump to Obama and George W. Bush and Joe Biden, like, yes, okay, he's preferable to them.
00:38:20.000I am comparing him to all presidents before him and the alternatives.
00:38:23.000And even if J.D. Vance becomes president, yeah, I know it goes to the lineage of Vance and then I believe with Johnson Rubio, it would be a lame duck presidency, right?
00:38:29.000Because the public would just see this man's impeached for the third time, corruption, and it would be waiting out the clock until there's another election.
00:38:36.000Well, I mean, first of all, the first two times Donald Trump was impeached, he was impeached for complete nonsense.
00:38:41.000And so it would be a little bit different to have a president impeached for launching an illegal war.
00:38:47.000But I think the more important point here is that, look, obviously there's no mechanism for me to have Donald Trump impeached.
00:38:56.000I'm not a member of Congress who's introducing articles of impeachment.
00:38:59.000I'm a commentator who was on record supporting Donald Trump in 2024.
00:39:04.000And so when the war first broke out, what I was doing was saying in the loudest possible way that, oh, there's a huge group of people here who supported you who are not only upset about this, but are repudiating everything about you, are criticizing you in the strongest possible language.
00:39:22.000Now, I am one of, in terms of like the Trump base of influential support, I'm one of the smaller members who was criticizing him.
00:39:30.000I mean, he had Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens and even Charlie Kirk, who didn't exactly criticize him, but certainly was critical of the idea of getting into a regime change war with Iran.
00:39:41.000And I felt like at the time, like I said, did they call for impeachment and execution?
00:39:57.000You did tend to filibuster, and I do want to, I want to stick to this just because this is, outside of that, I don't think we have that big of a disagreement, right?
00:40:06.000Okay, so I think you've already described answer right.
00:40:09.000The mechanism, the mechanism in place would be Congress, correct?
00:40:11.000I'm not saying that you do it yourself, Dave.
00:40:14.000But like you said, you were using an influential platform.
00:40:16.000You, there were some other people and largely the left who were calling for impeachment.
00:40:20.000So I think that still you stand by it.
00:40:23.000But the real world fallout of that is far worse for the United States and for the Keep America, Make America Great, America First movement.
00:40:54.000Again, I mean, you can say I'm filibustering, but let me explain my position here is that the point I was making was that so many of Donald Trump's most important, there's really never been a moment in my lifetime like that before.
00:41:04.000There's really never been, I can't think of any time where George W. Bush did something and Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly were just like, that's it.
00:41:14.000And Obama never lost Rachel Maddow or something like that.
00:41:17.000And I think the fact that so many of us stood up against that was in terms of like, to your point, in terms of the real world, what can we actually do?
00:41:25.000I think that was the most effective thing that we could do at that point was just to make it very clear that if you do get us into another catastrophic war here, you're going to lose a huge portion of your support.
00:41:34.000This is the only incentive that politicians respond to.
00:41:37.000Now, in terms of your point about meeting.
00:41:52.000I think it was at large of Donald Trump from you.
00:41:55.000I think to say that he should be impeached based on a betrayal when we probably don't have a president with a more clear track record on any issue than Donald Trump on Iran.
00:42:05.000If I said Israel, I meant to say Iran, where he said they can't get nukes.
00:42:08.000That famous escalator ride down immediately said, and if I'm president, Iran won't get nukes.
00:42:13.000And before that, on X, saying Iran cannot get a nuke, 60 days talking, negotiating.
00:42:35.000And I think that Donald Trump also bragged about not getting us in any new wars and bragged about ending wars, many of which he didn't end.
00:42:44.000But no, I mean, look, there's a major difference between just saying Iran won't get nukes, which could mean anything, and saying I will launch a war against Iran if they enrich up to 60% and are still willing to negotiate down the enrichment.
00:42:58.000I'm sorry, those are just very different things.
00:43:00.000Well, you called for his impeachment before he launched the strike and we're not at war.
00:43:03.000Dave, Dave, you've been telling me, hold on, man.
00:43:06.000You always do this where you say, let me finish a sentence.
00:43:08.000But then you address a point and then scattershot five different points.
00:43:23.000You called for his impeachment before the strike.
00:43:26.000I do think if you're talking about, I don't, what other option outside of diplomacy, because you said there are many other options, it could mean anything.
00:43:32.000Donald Trump, again, in context, if you look at the context, said it was a huge failure, Barack Obama's policy on Iran.
00:43:38.000He said that you cannot set red lines that you do not enforce.
00:43:51.000Well, I don't think, I mean, again, if you're saying that enriching up to 60% was the big problem, then Obama's, the JCPOA wasn't a failure.
00:44:00.000They weren't enriching anywhere near to that level until Donald Trump tore up the agreement, excuse me, or walked away, pulled America out of the agreement.
00:44:08.000And yes, he arbitrarily set a timeline of 60 days, but there were meetings scheduled for the next day or two days later when Israel first struck them and Donald Trump walked away.
00:44:19.000So the alternative was obviously to keep negotiating.
00:44:22.000Look, Iran was there to negotiate down the 60% enrichment.
00:44:27.000They had been down to 3% to 5% when America was good standing members of the JCPOA.
00:44:32.000The obvious alternative would have been to keep negotiating.
00:44:36.000So you believe that it's a more effective form of world leadership in an impeachable offense to set a date, a timeline, say last call.
00:44:44.000I've counted to three, count to three and then say, I didn't mean it.
00:45:30.000He's going to be constantly interrupting you, but I didn't realize it was actually going to be like this.
00:45:34.000Okay, so Donald Trump, what happened was Donald Trump had signaled at the beginning of the negotiations that he would be open to some enrichment, but that he wanted it to be brought down.
00:45:43.000And then Mark Levin and all of the hawks, they insisted that you put in the poison pill of absolutely no enrichment of uranium whatsoever.
00:45:52.000And Iran was like, yeah, that's, and then he set the 60 days.
00:45:55.000Now, look, I think it was a bad move to ever put that poison pill in and to ever set those 60 days.
00:46:00.000But yes, at that point, once you've done that, diplomacy in this case was obviously preferable to force.
00:46:07.000And I think, in fact, probably we are in a more likely position now that Iran breaks out and tries to get a nuclear weapon than we were if he had continued the negotiations.
00:46:17.000But certainly you exhaust the negotiations.
00:46:36.000And I don't think it's bad leadership.
00:46:38.000I think it would be bad leadership to allow a country to completely flagrantly disregard their own agreements, to not honor their word, to have international oversight committees that you cite, Dave, as the gold standard saying, yeah, they're only a few weeks away from this kind of dangerous uranium enrichment.
00:46:54.000And then to say, you know what, let's continue diplomacy.
00:47:43.000I criticize him on a regular basis, calling for impeachment and buried beneath the prison when this man has ended more wars than any other president, at least that I can recall, pretty close.
00:48:10.000The Iranian Accords didn't end any wars.
00:48:13.000So if we're looking at the other examples in the past where you look at invasions from Russia when they got froggy, obviously they tend to favor Democrat administrations.
00:48:21.000I think he's been very non-interventionist, not an isolationist.
00:48:24.000And I think that him, Thailand, Cambodia is one that comes to mind.
00:50:16.000I'm saying that's not exactly a war he ended.
00:50:18.000Well, I just want to have this conversation in good faith.
00:50:20.000And if you say name me any wars he's ended, and I go, okay, Thailand, Cambodia, Israel, Gaza, ceasefire, Armenia, Azerbaijan, you could argue, hold on a second.
00:50:28.000You could argue that Yemen, really a proxy war with Iran, which kind of brings us back to initial point.
00:50:34.000It's certainly more than other presidents.
00:50:36.000So picking up the phone and engaging in diplomacy, which I thought you would be supportive of, he's done it more than other presidents.
00:50:43.000And I would say he's set apart pretty significantly, which is why I don't want to impeach him.
00:50:46.000I don't think that would make America stronger, more effective.
00:51:03.000Okay, look, if you're talking about the war between Israel, if you can call it a war, Israel's destruction of Gaza, yes, after funding and facilitating the whole thing for his entire second term of his presidency, he's gotten a very loosely holding together ceasefire as of right now.
00:51:20.000So yes, as I've said on my show and said publicly, I give him credit for that.
00:52:15.000I believe that the impeachment, which you called for before the surgical strike on Iranian enrichment facilities, was based on him starting another illegal, baseless war, right?
00:52:56.000And if you look at the War Powers Act, it delegates the authority exclusively to the president to make that kind of a call, and they have the right to withdraw.
00:53:03.000Yeah, well, I mean, look, again, to be clear, I'm not arguing that that's realistic, but in the same sense that like you might say there should be no abortions.
00:53:12.000And I could respond to you and say, hey, that's not realistic.
00:53:35.000So, but then you said that that would be unconstitutional in an illegal war.
00:53:38.000Obviously, the Supreme Court disagrees.
00:53:40.000Obviously, every other president who was far more hawkish disagrees.
00:53:43.000And obviously, even right now, when you're talking about Democrats who love, I wish you and I, come on, you got to agree with this.
00:53:48.000I wish you and I had a passion for anything as much as these people have a passion for trying to impeach your political theater against Donald Trump.
00:53:54.000And that didn't really even gain any steam because no one aside from Dave Smith and a few other people think this was World War III or an unconstitutional strike.
00:54:04.000When did I say it was World War III, Stephen?
00:54:06.000You talked about escalating this again back on social media saying this could lead us into World War III.
00:55:06.000I said don't impeach because I actually think that our only chance at de-escalation is a president like Trump.
00:55:11.000And I think at this point, he wasn't impeached.
00:55:13.000I think an unbelievable surgical strike, agree or disagree with it, was conducted with no collateral damage, with planes out over the ocean before they woke up in the morning and no one even said a word.
00:55:23.000That's why they couldn't retaliate because they have no way to.
00:55:36.000And I think if we impeach him and we follow that doctrine, I think we end up in a much worse place.
00:55:42.000I think that we would be in a much better place if Donald Trump had simply moved to cutting off all foreign aid to Israel and supporting this war and not attacked Iran in the first place.
00:55:54.000It is okay, but that's a pretty big deal.
00:55:56.000So it is absolutely true that after we dropped those bunker busters on the Iranian nuclear sites, and then they responded with, you know, the kind of a typical Iranian response where they just wanted to save face, but really wanted to make sure that they didn't escalate the situation at all and gave advanced warning before they sent those missiles back.
00:56:15.000Donald Trump took that off-ramp immediately and did de-escalate things after that.
00:56:21.000And I think it's great that he did that.
00:56:22.000Again, the whole thing never needed to be started to begin with, but we'll see.
00:56:26.000We're kind of in halftime of this war now, and we'll see where this goes.
00:56:30.000You know, every time Netanyahu's interviewed about this, he's still talking about the capabilities that Iran is building back up.
00:56:37.000They're vowing to rebuild their nuclear program.
00:56:40.000Donald Trump is saying that'll be a big problem if it happens again.
00:57:11.000If we stop funding Israel, right, stop foreign aid, I want to use the correct term, foreign aid to Israel, as well as, for example, Syria, all list the country.
00:57:24.000We also bridled Israel quite a bit, which I will say I'm a fan of.
00:57:28.000They don't know what the fuck they're doing.
00:57:29.000One of the greatest moments in presidential history.
00:57:31.000I don't think there's a world in which Netanyahu apologizes to Qatar outside of President Trump walking him.
00:57:38.000And I think that we saw even since then going in the timeline, Donald Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance saying, if they annex the West Bank, we'll stop all funding, right?
00:57:49.000And I think that without the bridling of the United States, in other words, if it's two guys, we lock them in a racquetball court, Israel, Palestine, you work it out.
00:57:57.000I think you'd see a much worse genocide.
00:57:59.000But I'd let the chips fall where they may, either direction.
00:58:06.000I think it's absolutely not the case that if America wasn't backing Israel, and when you talk about this, because you say foreign aid to all the countries, right?
00:58:14.000You got to think it's not just that we prop up Israel and give them all types of weapons and intelligence communication and veto every critical resolution at the UN, but it's that we also prop up Jordan and Saudi, Egypt, and all of their surrounding countries to be friends with Israel.
00:58:31.000And so the idea that if we pulled all of that back, Israel would be more aggressive, I just think is absolutely wrong.
00:59:19.000And just so you know, I'll get accused of being anti-Semitic for that position.
00:59:22.000I said it to Ben Shapiro on the show in 2015.
00:59:25.000I said, let's just stop funding all of it.
00:59:28.000Because if you add it up collectively, not just the nations who align with Israel, but the nations who would probably like to wipe Israel out, they technically come out ahead because we spread money around, and I think it's foolish.
00:59:56.000But I do think it's notable that every single one of their neighbors, including places that we would consider, certainly in the West, radically Islamic, are very concerned and keep saying, hey, Iran can't have a nuke.
01:00:13.000Why do you think that every other surrounding nation who would be more sympathetic through religion, through culture to this nation, have begged those capable to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons and overseeing governing committees?
01:00:28.000I know we don't want to use the word intelligence because people do wordplay with that.
01:00:33.000Why does everyone think that a nuclearized Iran in that world and pretty much every president or war criminal also acknowledge that it's a problem and Dave Smith has caught something that all these people miss to the degree that it's an impeachable and executable offense?
01:01:09.000I think that the obviously the radical Sunni states hate the radical Shiite state because they are regional rivals.
01:01:16.000And, you know, by the way, it was a bunch of Egyptians and Saudis and Al-Qaeda who was backed by Saudi Arabia who came and knocked our towers down.
01:01:42.000You guys, well, I didn't mean to mischaracterize.
01:01:45.000I just, you were talking about having talked to him.
01:01:47.000Yeah, I forgot you guys had your falling out.
01:01:50.000But regardless, he was celebrating when Al-Qaeda took over Syria because, hey, we broke up the Shiite crescent and now Iran can't move weapons into Lebanon.
01:01:59.000Well, I have a different perspective of that as an American.
01:02:02.000And so look, look, I'll say it like this, okay?
01:02:05.000Nobody wants Iran to have a nuclear weapon.
01:02:08.000In the wake of 9-11, the George W. Bush administration, led by the neocons in all of their wisdom, decided to put Iraq, Iran, and North Korea on the axis of evil.
01:03:59.000Well, they're not just hanging out at 60%.
01:04:01.000And they're also looking into delivery mechanisms, which I know you've also talked about and said they don't have the capability to do, right?
01:05:24.000And I do think that a certain strike in which, hold on, in which no collateral damage I do think is appropriate as to the degree as to when the intervention is appropriate.
01:07:48.000And I think that if any boots were put on the ground or it was a war of aggression in Iran as opposed to a surgical strike with no collateral damage, you'd have a strong case.
01:08:45.000No, they were members of the non-proliferation treaty in good standing.
01:08:49.000And in fact, the JCPOA allowed for them to, if America left, to up enrichment, they were only bound in the deal if America was still part of it to not raise their enrichment.
01:08:59.000And so that's what they did when we got out of it.
01:09:01.000I think, honestly, the JCPOA had a lot of flaws, mostly the sunset provisions.
01:09:05.000And I think it would have been totally reasonable and good for Donald Trump to get in there and even say, we're tearing this up and making a new deal or we're fixing these sunset provisions.
01:09:15.000But the truth is that all you guys who find it so aggressive that Iran was enriching up to 60%, they weren't until we pulled out of the JCPOA.
01:09:54.000But I'm saying you right now are supporting, correct me if I'm wrong, Barack Obama's approach to Iran, which Donald Trump opposed in his campaign, and you oppose Donald Trump.
01:10:04.000So that's, I mean, it is kind of a binary choice, right?
01:10:09.000And yes, I think, I think Barack Obama was Barack Obama's foreign policy was horrible over maybe the only thing he did good was getting the JCPOA done.
01:10:21.000So yes, in this very specific example, I do think that Obama did a better job with Iran than Donald Trump did.
01:10:28.000That is not true for the countries that like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Yemen.
01:11:28.000I agree with the, I agree with Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul and all of the tradition of the right-wingers who were smeared as unpatriotic by David Frum.
01:11:39.000I agree with Lou Rockwell and Ron Paul and Murray Rothbard and Pat Buchanan and the founders of our country.
01:11:45.000I take the George Washington foreign policy.
01:11:47.000So yes, in this case, when Donald Trump said the Iran deal was the worst deal ever, I think it was really stupid.
01:11:54.000And what you should have been appalled by of Obama's foreign policy was him toppling the government in Libya, him attempting to topple the government in Syria, him backing the Saudi invasion of Yemen, him continuing to bomb Iraq and Afghanistan his entire presidency, killing innocent people for no reason at all.
01:12:11.000That's what I think is wrong with Obama's foreign policy, not the JCPOA.
01:12:15.000Okay, I think all those things are wrong.
01:12:17.000And I also think his approach to the JCPOA, I think Donald Trump's approach, this is just a difference of opinion, has been more effective.
01:12:23.000I think there's a reason that they enriched past 20% only when Biden was president.
01:13:11.000You know, we're going bankrupt at an alarming rate.
01:13:13.000And things are changing very rapidly in this country.
01:13:16.000I mean, I, I, you know, I wouldn't, I may have agreed with you 10 years ago if you go, we're never going to see a president who cuts off all foreign aid.
01:13:25.000And I think that not only are not only are we going bankrupt at an alarming rate, and I mean, you know about this stuff as well as anybody, it is really like the day of reckoning that guys like me and you were warning about 15 years ago is really here.
01:13:40.000I mean, the interest on the debt has overtaken the entire budget.
01:13:42.000It's our biggest budget issue is now just paying interest to foreign central banks, not even for a welfare program or for a war that we want to fund.
01:13:51.000And no, I think it's quite possible that we will live through a pretty big seismic shift in this area in the next few years.
01:13:59.000Well, I do genuinely hope that you're right.
01:14:03.000I think it's very unlikely if Donald Trump were to be impeached that we'd end up with that right now in this scenario.
01:14:09.000I think what's more likely is a lame duck presidency and the public losing confidence in the Trump administration and voting in a leftist.
01:14:16.000And I think that would be far worse for America.
01:14:20.000See, I guess I look at it a little bit differently.
01:14:23.000Is I think, so I think that, and this is kind of always the dynamic with two-party politics, right?
01:14:28.000But I actually think that Donald Trump launching wars of aggression, wars of choice, Donald Trump backing Israel at every stop, Donald Trump continuing to spend us into debt, burying the Epstein files.
01:14:41.000I think all of these things are what make it very likely that we might be looking at a president, you know, AOC or something like that, which we all should really be concerned about because they tried last time they were in there and they're going to be coming back with a vengeance if they get back.
01:14:54.000And so I think essentially, by Donald Trump not draining the swamp in any meaningful way, I think he is leaving J.D. Vance with nothing to run on to continue his legacy.
01:15:04.000So I think that's actually where our ire should be directed.
01:15:08.000I think that a big part of if this administration fails and AOC would be elected or someone like that of her ilk.
01:15:13.000Whitmer is the one who frightens me the most, having come from Michigan because people don't realize how radical she is.
01:15:18.000I think friendly fire would be a big part of it.
01:15:21.000I think friendly fire would be a big part of it.
01:15:22.000I think closed-handed issues, not being treated as closed-handed issues, and I think wanting to impeach the most effective president of our lifetime, as imperfect as he may be, I think that would be a big part of it.
01:15:31.000I think Donald Trump has done a lot of good.
01:15:57.000I think the single biggest budget cut proposal, while not perfect, but the most in our lifetime of $1.5 trillion, I think it's a good thing.
01:16:04.000And I think if we only aim for the perfect and hold Donald Trump to a standard that we don't hold anybody else, but I think you do because you think they're all war criminals.
01:16:13.000I think we actually pave the way for far worse.
01:16:17.000I think he's a lot better than the alternative.
01:16:19.000And that's why I was so very much caught by surprise in seeing people say impeach him over an issue that I don't think is impeachable.
01:16:28.000And in the real world, I think it ends up really bad for the United States of America.
01:16:32.000I think it was definitely the right thing for especially people who had been on the record supporting Donald Trump to as loudly oppose us getting into another war as possible.
01:16:42.000And who knows if it had any effect on ultimately, you know, at least making there be a political price tag to him thinking about escalating the thing.
01:16:51.000I think that, you know, when you say cutting $1.5 trillion, it's like, yeah, in Democrat math, I guess that's what the budget was doing whenever they say, you know, you're cutting the growth of the rate of increase of spending over the next decade.
01:17:03.000But guys like me and you never looked at budget issues like that, Stephen, you know, and we're driving off a cliff in many, many different ways.
01:17:43.000That was, and not just for policy reasons, but just because Kamala Harris being the president of the United States is a humiliation that could not be survived.
01:18:50.000You're like, how do we, and that's where you go, yeah, it seems like people are propped up, and I agree with you on that.
01:18:56.000Well, okay, so, but I will say that, you know, and again, this is what I meant by this is the big split always in the duopoly in the two-party system, right?
01:19:04.000Is that everybody goes like, well, you can't attack our guys because their guys are worse than our guys.
01:19:18.000But there's also a problem in not attacking your side and not criticizing it when they're going down the wrong path because then you lose all that energy.
01:19:27.000Look, the reason why Donald Trump is president twice in one simple sentence is like drain the swamp.
01:19:34.000It's the essence of Donald Trump's appeal was always, you know, that these are a bunch of criminals in D.C. And we're going to get to the bottom of that.
01:19:43.000And I'm sorry, like, I don't see any even meaningful attempt to get to the bottom of that.
01:19:48.000The director of national intelligence four months ago said she has proof that Obama committed treason and we're sending that over to the Justice Department.
01:19:57.000Does anyone here really think that Obama's going to be tried and convicted for treason?
01:20:23.000I tried to hang, we recreated Epstein's cell and did a live stream where I actively tried to hang myself and had an action, several gauges, and it was not possible.
01:20:51.000And hopefully I've also done this correctly in presenting differences of opinions and not mischaracterizing you because I think there also is a rot in people going off the wall, using hyperbole.
01:21:02.000I would categorize impeachment and execution and that, but I certainly would categorize under that.
01:21:08.000People saying, if you disagree with me, you're a shill for Israel.
01:21:12.000Or on the other side, people saying, hey, if you think we should defund Israel as I do, that you're an anti-Semite.
01:21:19.000And that's why I think we need to have these conversations.
01:21:21.000I think there's, I would say, my opinion is there's a better way to criticize the administration while recognizing the good that they do and not really putting us in a position where we have to accept an alternative.
01:21:32.000I think impeachment comes close to that.
01:21:33.000Hey, can we, because I realize we've gone up, but I want to continue.
01:21:36.000Can we just open the floor to anything that's on your mind here if we go can I just respond to that?
01:21:40.000And then we could do whatever you want to.
01:22:05.000Well, I just think that, I mean, look, I think I'm doing it the right way.
01:22:09.000And I obviously, me and you would disagree on that because that's why you're doing it the way you're doing.
01:22:13.000And that's why I'm doing it the way I'm doing.
01:22:14.000But I would say, like, look, where I will really agree with you is that there's no question, right, that there is this knee-jerk reaction to like, if anybody's supporting Israel now to say $7,000, you're a shill.
01:22:27.000And this is all kind of like low IQ stuff.
01:22:58.000I think that, yes, there's a lot of craziness on all sides.
01:23:01.000But at the same time, I think that there are, like, if you're saying that you're also a non-interventionist and you also don't want to be getting involved in these wars and you also don't want to be funding all of these other governments.
01:23:12.000Well, it does seem to me that, and again, I don't watch enough of your show to know this.
01:23:16.000Like, maybe you're doing other stuff that I, and I just happen to see the stuff where you're being critical of me.
01:23:21.000But, like, it seems to me like you're going out.
01:23:24.000We now have this big divide where finally there's like a non-interventionist right wing in this country.
01:23:29.000And there are these huge voices that are pushing in that direction.
01:23:32.000And it seems to me like you've been kind of going after all those guys rather than like, why not go after the Mark Levins and the Ben Shapiros who are clearly itching to get America into even more entangled, the opposite of the policy you want?