Louder with Crowder - Dave Smith: Discussing Trump, Israel, & America First

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00:02:31.000 Welcome to the lineup live here on Rumble, 9 a.m. Eastern to 7 p.m.

00:02:36.000 You don't need to change that dial today.

00:02:38.000 We do have a very special guest, a very funny comedian, Dave Smith, on the show.

00:02:42.000 We've talked about it for a while and we've managed to finally get our schedules in line.

00:02:46.000 Hopefully it's an enjoyable and productive conversation.

00:02:50.000 I actually agree with him a whole lot more than I disagree.

00:02:52.000 You've been asking for it.

00:02:53.000 He'll be on in a little bit.

00:02:55.000 And before that, we're introducing a segment that isn't, I guess it's unofficially titled, Try Not to Become Racist.

00:03:05.000 Because we're going to get through Snap and the searches, the queries.

00:03:10.000 They're in Try Not to Become Racist.

00:03:13.000 And I warn you, the intro today is kind of its own thing.

00:03:17.000 It's a flyer.

00:03:18.000 We can explain it later, but we don't necessarily have to.

00:03:21.000 And on with the show.

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00:04:38.000 I don't know what she is.

00:04:41.000 But there is something strange going on in that house.

00:04:45.000 There was something going on in that house that involved energies that I didn't understand.

00:04:53.000 Yeah, well, I've been brought in a few of these.

00:04:55.000 Was told it was your basic run of a mill hunting, poltergeist, spooky spectacle, yeah.

00:05:07.000 But my experience was anything but common.

00:05:11.000 It started with earning noises in the back, and then I was visited by a spirit, a very forward spirit named Becky.

00:05:26.000 I wouldn't say she was particularly attractive ghost, maybe like a five, maybe a six on a good night, but she offered me a hand job. 0.99

00:05:38.000 Of course, I can't say no.

00:05:39.000 If you were offered a proper hand job from a ghost, you'd say yeah too, wouldn't you?

00:05:45.000 If only for the novelty of it.

00:05:46.000 The worst part is when I did finish, she was surprisingly skilled.

00:05:52.000 I did make a mess in the front of my pants.

00:05:57.000 And after that, that was all I was known for.

00:06:01.000 I'd never done or accomplished anything else.

00:06:04.000 I'd say, oh, hey, for the rest of the shoot, there goes Mr. J pants.

00:06:09.000 Or, hey, Alan, you j ⁇ your pants recently.

00:06:16.000 I'd already read up something about poltergeist.

00:06:19.000 So I knew that this type of experience with similar things happening has been logged for hundreds of years.

00:06:27.000 That's all I was known for.

00:06:29.000 I have other facets to me.

00:06:33.000 I like to have a bath.

00:06:34.000 I like a good curry.

00:06:36.000 Yeah.

00:06:36.000 I'm a professor.

00:06:37.000 I'm tenured.

00:06:38.000 After that, it's like none of that even existed.

00:06:43.000 And then we had questions at school.

00:06:45.000 Some kids coming around here, shouting outside the window.

00:06:49.000 Hey, don't they stay away from Alan?

00:06:51.000 His pants are filled with ectoplasm.

00:06:57.000 Look, I'm not saying it's right or wrong.

00:07:01.000 Until you've walked a mile in my pants, maybe don't pass judgment because you've got to face yourself long and hard in that mirror every morning.

00:07:14.000 And can you tell yourself in 100% honesty, yeah, I'm the guy who's saying no to a hand job from a middle ghost. 1.00

00:07:23.000 We're all humans.

00:07:24.000 We're all people.

00:07:27.000 Some of us are dead.

00:07:29.000 But after all is said and done, I still do, you know, often sit and wonder about Becky.

00:07:39.000 I told him my name was Becky.

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00:08:42.000 I apologize right off the bat.

00:08:43.000 No, come on. 0.85

00:08:45.000 We figured it was spooky, so it's one of those sketches that, I don't know, we've been holding back for several months.

00:08:52.000 Yeah.

00:08:53.000 Like, oh, we could run this as an opening.

00:08:54.000 I don't know if they're ready for it.

00:08:57.000 Not sure they are.

00:08:58.000 It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

00:09:01.000 Every now and then you're just watching something and you go, hey, I have an idea.

00:09:04.000 And then I could do a poltergeist story.

00:09:07.000 The next morning you read it.

00:09:08.000 And you're like, what?

00:09:12.000 I mean, I guess we already have the wardrobe.

00:09:14.000 That one's a mixture of a documentary that you watched and a documentary that I watched.

00:09:18.000 Yes.

00:09:19.000 Wow. 0.99

00:09:19.000 I think you just watched porn, Josh. 0.99

00:09:21.000 No, Terry. 0.97

00:09:23.000 There was definitely a Becky ghost. 0.98

00:09:24.000 Yeah, sure.

00:09:25.000 Chat requested iHeart Becky shirts.

00:09:28.000 Okay, all right. 0.98

00:09:30.000 You are terrible. 0.92

00:09:31.000 It was inspired because I watched one. 0.65

00:09:33.000 I don't even remember.

00:09:34.000 It was like the end field.

00:09:35.000 And the guy was talking as though he loved the ghost.

00:09:39.000 And I was like, this guy, this guy, he's using this documentary as a dating service.

00:09:39.000 Oh, really?

00:09:44.000 And I was like, that's what he's doing.

00:09:46.000 Like, you know, she was very soft.

00:09:47.000 Yeah.

00:09:48.000 And she spoke, she whispered in my ear.

00:09:49.000 I'm like, this guy is, this guy is getting frisky with the ghost.

00:09:53.000 A little bit.

00:09:54.000 It still doesn't make any sense.

00:09:56.000 But hey, we have Dave Smith coming on in just a little bit.

00:09:59.000 And I still have two minutes in my headphones, but it's like my right ear.

00:10:03.000 Maybe I just damaged it.

00:10:05.000 And Cat Morgan, CEO.

00:10:07.000 How are you, sir?

00:10:08.000 How are you?

00:10:08.000 I'm good.

00:10:09.000 Remember, you don't.

00:10:09.000 Good.

00:10:11.000 I don't ever want someone to feel like they're getting piled on.

00:10:14.000 So you be quiet.

00:10:14.000 No.

00:10:16.000 And then if you and him want to engage after, because he seems like a very decent guy, and I want him to have a good time.

00:10:21.000 And Friday, November 14th at Chalet Theater in Enum Claw, Washington.

00:10:21.000 Yeah.

00:10:26.000 Mr. Josh Feierstein.

00:10:27.000 Yes, sir.

00:10:28.000 Chalet Theater, Enum Claw.

00:10:29.000 Tell your friends, please.

00:10:31.000 I'm not allowed to run ads.

00:10:32.000 Yeah.

00:10:33.000 Because I'm friends with Steven Crowder.

00:10:34.000 I apologize.

00:10:37.000 But people like they'll cry censorship.

00:10:39.000 Like, I only said that, you know, Hitler only killed like 400 Jews and they said that was shocking.

00:10:44.000 I go, yeah, well, I literally can't run an ad for change my mind.

00:10:47.000 It's true.

00:10:48.000 They say that that even the ones where they were friendly, that's considered shocking and offensive.

00:10:53.000 So we are not allowed to run ads on Change My Mind.

00:10:56.000 Tell me again that big tech is softening up.

00:10:59.000 You have a little bit to get to, but first, Zoran Mamdani.

00:10:59.000 All right.

00:11:03.000 Yeah, that guy.

00:11:04.000 He released a new ad featuring, it's kind of like Jumbo Shrimp.

00:11:09.000 Forgive the comparison.

00:11:10.000 It's an oxymoron, lady rabbis to sort of really end his campaign on a high or complaining note. 1.00

00:11:20.000 Hi, Rabbi.

00:11:27.000 Hi.

00:11:27.000 We're among the thousands of Jewish New Yorkers who've been out door knocking and phone banking to elect Zoran Mamdani.

00:11:33.000 We're also rabbis.

00:11:35.000 We know Zoran will fight to be.

00:11:40.000 Now I see why I was instructed to not watch this.

00:11:45.000 Because I already had enough of a problem with lady rabbis. 1.00

00:11:47.000 Yeah, I mean, that's weird.

00:11:49.000 You're mispronounced imaginary.

00:11:50.000 But then.

00:11:51.000 That's not a lady rabbi. 1.00

00:11:52.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:11:53.000 It's totally fine.

00:11:57.000 We're going to have to do some research on this person. 0.98

00:11:59.000 There's no way that there's a congregation that actually follows someone that silly. 0.98

00:12:02.000 All right. 0.98

00:12:03.000 I talked to H.R. Zam.

00:12:05.000 He gave me a lot of research.

00:12:05.000 Yeah.

00:12:06.000 Okay.

00:12:07.000 All right.

00:12:08.000 Rewind it just a few seconds because.

00:12:10.000 Are we on YouTube, by the way?

00:12:11.000 That threw me for.

00:12:12.000 I didn't say anything that's unacceptable.

00:12:14.000 I just think it will.

00:12:15.000 If anything, that face is unacceptable to humanity.

00:12:19.000 Well, and that voice hard.

00:12:21.000 Hey, that guy's beautiful. 0.99

00:12:22.000 Shut up. 0.99

00:12:23.000 Hey, hey, my bride doesn't have yeast. 1.00

00:12:30.000 Yeah.

00:12:30.000 We know.

00:12:32.000 Do you like surprises?

00:12:36.000 All right.

00:12:37.000 Trick-or-treat.

00:12:37.000 Let's keep playing.

00:12:38.000 We're also rabbis.

00:12:40.000 We know Zoran will fight to make our city affordable and safe for our families.

00:12:46.000 And for our neighbors of all faiths and the people who are in the world.

00:12:48.000 He speaks Yiddish and is Hymnish. 0.75

00:12:49.000 As New Yorkers, we're also just people who live here.

00:12:51.000 Who don't want to get priced out of this incredible city that we call home.

00:12:55.000 We know fellow Jews want to be able to afford housing, transportation, and child care.

00:13:01.000 Sex changes.

00:13:01.000 Exactly.

00:13:03.000 As Jews, as rabbis, as New Yorkers, we believe that all people deserve to face.

00:13:10.000 Look, look, look.

00:13:10.000 Pause.

00:13:12.000 Okay, you're a guy who claims you're a woman, whatever. 0.95

00:13:14.000 I don't agree with it, and I think it's silly that as a society we have to revolve around this.

00:13:18.000 But like the balding and then the weird voice.

00:13:21.000 It sounds like this person is, and I'm sure someone will call me on it if this person is mentally handicapped in some way. 0.62

00:13:27.000 It could be. 0.93

00:13:28.000 Maybe Jews want to. 1.00

00:13:30.000 Well, if that case don't make them a rabbi. 0.93

00:13:33.000 We might be out of line here.

00:13:34.000 Well, technically not a rabbi.

00:13:35.000 Okay.

00:13:35.000 Actually, HR Sam, let me know.

00:13:37.000 He was pretty hated.

00:13:38.000 Yeah.

00:13:39.000 I hate all the things.

00:13:40.000 Let's go.

00:13:42.000 Zoran agrees.

00:13:43.000 But let's get real.

00:13:45.000 This isn't all about belief.

00:13:46.000 It's about action.

00:13:47.000 So let's build a flourishing city together.

00:13:51.000 Let's elect Zoran.

00:13:55.000 They didn't even try.

00:13:56.000 He's like a foot taller.

00:13:57.000 He's a head taller than everybody else.

00:14:00.000 We're loading rabbis. 0.99

00:14:01.000 Yeah.

00:14:02.000 Yeah.

00:14:02.000 That's right.

00:14:03.000 And I'll see you in the parking lot. 0.78

00:14:10.000 Oh, you can cow. 1.00

00:14:12.000 I'm going to go to the holy web.

00:14:13.000 Oh, my God.

00:14:17.000 You think those campaign shirts are unisex?

00:14:21.000 They have to be.

00:14:22.000 Come on.

00:14:23.000 They have to be.

00:14:24.000 So long as it's the right tri-blend. 0.85

00:14:26.000 Oh, wait, I don't know if they're allowed to wear those fabrics.

00:14:28.000 I don't know.

00:14:29.000 I'm not really up to date on the law. 0.98

00:14:31.000 Can you guys see my nipples through this? 0.99

00:14:35.000 Perfect. 0.99

00:14:36.000 Sorry.

00:14:38.000 There's a bowl of manna with my name on it.

00:14:41.000 It's funny that when you're doing this voice, you do a more manly voice than your normal voice.

00:14:45.000 Yeah.

00:14:46.000 Well, it's not hard to do.

00:14:47.000 Like a caricature of us.

00:14:48.000 Well, this rabbi, this lady non-rabbi, has a more manly voice. 0.99

00:14:53.000 It's just so obviously a dude that it's scaring the children. 0.98

00:15:04.000 That's silly.

00:15:06.000 Would you like a little backstory from HR Sam? 0.79

00:15:08.000 So apparently this guy is the son of a very renowned rabbi in charge of some Orthodox church.

00:15:08.000 Yes.

00:15:15.000 Oh, look, you guys got it.

00:15:16.000 There you go.

00:15:17.000 The son of a big rabbi of Orthodox Church said that didn't believe in God.

00:15:21.000 Then said, okay, we'll deal with that.

00:15:23.000 Then eventually said, I want to be a woman. 0.95

00:15:24.000 Said, no, hunt on the phone, never talk again.

00:15:27.000 Not a rabbi anymore. 1.00

00:15:28.000 Not allowed to be one.

00:15:29.000 And it's just out here.

00:15:29.000 Okay.

00:15:30.000 Also, was married, had kids, gone.

00:15:32.000 Didn't care.

00:15:33.000 Oh, yeah.

00:15:34.000 The kids are still there.

00:15:35.000 Wearing lipstick is, well, the kids are alive.

00:15:37.000 So that person in the ad is not still a rabbi.

00:15:40.000 No.

00:15:40.000 No, so tech.

00:15:42.000 It's kind of like a non-denominational church.

00:15:43.000 We can just call yourself a pastor.

00:15:44.000 That's the affiliation.

00:15:46.000 Not Orthodox, for sure. 0.99

00:15:47.000 So, yeah.

00:15:47.000 Right.

00:15:48.000 Sam was very clear.

00:15:50.000 So even the Jews have the same problem we do with like the mega churches. 1.00

00:15:53.000 They have the mega synagogues. 1.00

00:15:54.000 They basically do, and they just.

00:15:56.000 Do they have a Joel Olsteen?

00:15:57.000 I, this may be the closest thing.

00:15:59.000 Well, he also, he was pretty close to them.

00:16:00.000 He was hiding cash and gold in the walls.

00:16:02.000 So he's halfway there.

00:16:03.000 This is Jane Olsteen.

00:16:04.000 All I know is he used to go by Saul.

00:16:04.000 I don't know.

00:16:06.000 Now he goes by Paul.

00:16:07.000 Come on.

00:16:07.000 Okay.

00:16:08.000 It's Joel Ol Silverstein.

00:16:11.000 Did I get that right?

00:16:12.000 You did.

00:16:13.000 Nice.

00:16:13.000 Oh, okay.

00:16:13.000 I nailed it.

00:16:15.000 Hey, you know how sometimes people send you, you know, you send the show's money.

00:16:19.000 Yeah.

00:16:19.000 You know, like a lot of people do that.

00:16:21.000 I love that.

00:16:21.000 Yeah.

00:16:22.000 Yeah.

00:16:22.000 But we don't do that.

00:16:23.000 Here's my QR code.

00:16:24.000 We send you money.

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00:16:58.000 This has been reverse as you get your schnitzel cut.

00:17:05.000 We moved on from the Jew. 1.00

00:17:05.000 Wow. 1.00

00:17:07.000 Well, yeah, we moved on from that circumcision enthusiast.

00:17:10.000 Yeah.

00:17:11.000 Come on, Gerald.

00:17:12.000 Get with it.

00:17:12.000 I am.

00:17:13.000 I'm here.

00:17:13.000 By the way, that rabbi fully circumcised.

00:17:16.000 I can imagine.

00:17:16.000 Yes.

00:17:17.000 The whole thing.

00:17:18.000 It was a 14-procedure operation.

00:17:20.000 Oh, wow.

00:17:20.000 Yeah.

00:17:21.000 So I guess, well, the first part of the circumcision, we have that in common.

00:17:24.000 Oh.

00:17:25.000 Yeah.

00:17:25.000 French canyons don't get circumcised.

00:17:27.000 Hey, question of the day. 0.83

00:17:28.000 Are you circumcised?

00:17:31.000 No discussion.

00:17:32.000 You know what?

00:17:32.000 No, question to the men.

00:17:34.000 Are you circumcised?

00:17:35.000 And question to the ladies: does one or the other weird you out? 1.00

00:17:39.000 Nominate yourself.

00:17:41.000 If you got a pick, it's like the honeymoon opening up what's under the tree.

00:17:45.000 You're like, ah, tree winkle.

00:17:49.000 Yeah, do you like the sleeve or no?

00:17:51.000 Yeah.

00:17:51.000 You like to go sleeveless?

00:17:52.000 Yeah.

00:17:52.000 Or sleeved.

00:17:54.000 Weird conversation.

00:17:55.000 Do you want it to be in early Marine, early Navy, you know, leatherneck?

00:17:58.000 We're still going.

00:18:00.000 Or do you want it to.

00:18:01.000 Dave's like, oh, my internet's out.

00:18:03.000 I can't be on the show.

00:18:05.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:18:05.000 He's a comedian. 0.87

00:18:06.000 He'll have fun with it.

00:18:08.000 I bet you he's circumcised. 0.97

00:18:09.000 All right.

00:18:10.000 I hope.

00:18:11.000 Yeah.

00:18:13.000 I don't know.

00:18:14.000 I'll ask him.

00:18:15.000 I'll do it.

00:18:15.000 So this next segment, I wanted to have a singer, but we don't have one.

00:18:20.000 So I'm going to unofficially title it.

00:18:22.000 Try not to become racist.

00:18:25.000 The government is still shut down.

00:18:27.000 By the way, question.

00:18:27.000 Does anyone care about that?

00:18:28.000 I don't think people really.

00:18:30.000 Very few people care about that.

00:18:31.000 I know some people are affected, but as a general rule, we were told it would be the apocalypse.

00:18:35.000 It's not.

00:18:36.000 Snap is still out, and people are getting more and more angry.

00:18:40.000 If lawmakers do not reach a deal to fund the government, snap cards may not get refilled on November 1st.

00:18:46.000 Yesterday, the USDA confirmed it will not tap into its contingency fund to cover benefits for next month.

00:18:53.000 So this thing of mothers that got kids. 1.00

00:18:55.000 Now, what can we do?

00:18:56.000 We can't defeat our kids. 0.99

00:18:58.000 And who the f they think celebrating these motherfucking holidays with no food stamps. 0.98

00:19:02.000 Y'all better stay out of my way in these stores. 1.00

00:19:04.000 I'm walking out with carts and I'm not paying for and to the girls that's excited that Snap EBT food stamps is getting cut.

00:19:10.000 I guarantee you that one of your friends depends on that.

00:19:13.000 Um, Trump, if you won't start moving, oh, it's gonna happen.

00:19:18.000 If we do have jobs, again, what can we do?

00:19:20.000 I'm gonna be stealing like it ain't no tomorrow.

00:19:23.000 I don't know where the f we're gonna get the food from.

00:19:25.000 I'm that friend that depends on that.

00:19:25.000 You my friend.

00:19:27.000 So if you happy, that's cool.

00:19:29.000 So I'm gonna be asking you for money every day to eat.

00:19:31.000 I'm going to walk the f out. 1.00

00:19:33.000 And I'm going to have one of my cousins with me that'll punch your ass so hard. 1.00

00:19:36.000 You're going to think a Jetsu holiday hit your ass. 1.00

00:19:38.000 And you think I ain't going to walk out that stuff. 0.99

00:19:41.000 We're not the same.

00:19:46.000 we live in two very different worlds at no point what i with the jumping off point for me be clearly i shouldn't have to pay for my own food and so the only solution to a temporary halt and said free food is to bring my criminal cousin to commit battery against you because you didn't get out of the way yeah right this is what looks like a decent apartment by the way if you look behind her she looks fine my word and the problem is by the way the left has been they've constantly trying they've been trying to curry favor with these people to buy their

00:20:16.000 votes right the 40 plus percent who pay nothing in federal income taxes and then there are working class americans who are now getting pissed this is how the democrat party lost that segment of americans because they have no sympathy for people talking that way even though they would be in the same class more or less you want to pay for that and if through no fault of your own the government shuts down and they don't continue to receive your taxpayer funded benefits they may assault you

00:20:46.000 well today marks the 28th day of this government shutdown and uh things are starting to get scary out there there you go

00:20:58.000 i understand that uh you know people there are people out there that need this and and they depend on their their benefits and stuff and i understand people are going to steal but it's one thing to do that yeah to feed your family actually for the first time stealing to feed your family it's another thing to go online and then brag about it yeah and make a threat like a violent threat like you better get out of my way or my cousin which by the way did you even ask your cousin yet did he agree to this yeah exactly who is his cousin why don't you have a boyfriend it sounds like a woman getting a guy into a fight that he didn't choose again you

00:21:28.000 said i do what she that never happens this is just look and i and yeah some people do but i'll be honest very very few very very few i was talking about with johnny boy i was like uh i was like yeah dude if i was one of these people that was disabled and couldn't work yeah i i get it i'd be out there steal wait a second uh if i can't walk yeah i'm probably not gonna be stealing shit right yeah if i'm disabled yeah i probably wouldn't be that good of a cat burglar no hmm quite the con quandary maybe maybe

00:21:57.000 i should stop lying maybe i should become a productive functioning member of society you know like everyone in every society up until now but i know people say hey that's racist so here's a question who's really most mad about this download the rumble app by the way follow me there that's the best way to stay in touch because we can't actually make our notifications work on youtube change my mind is shocking and violent but on rumble you get notified when we are live who is upset well certainly um non-citizens 1.5 million non-citizens

00:22:27.000 collected about 4.2 billion dollars worth of snap benefits uh that's that's unreal and then an additional 2.2 million anchor babies uh collect snap so those people are pretty mad there you go and then a next group of people oh boy i'm just going to say um i don't even want to say uneducated i'll say uh people i don't even want to say they type shorthand um stuff people who people who uh use improper

00:22:57.000 grammar uh in search engines is that okay is that okay is that okay try not to become racist uh so the search results and you just start it is that and uh you know what comes up is they cutting food stamps all right let's try it a different way uh is a cutting is they cutting off section eight

00:23:15.000 is they cutting section eight as opposed to off that's how they switch it is they cutting off food stamps all you had to do was type in is they and that's basically what came up well it gets worse because you would say well maybe that's because you know it's sometimes it's difficult to referring to them and the collective it's sort of nebulous the government right so you know if you just do it in the first person well that makes it a little bit simpler and that's what brings us to is we getting food stamps next search is we getting a stimulus check

00:23:43.000 next one i mean i'm for it is we getting ebt again hold on by the way make make no generalizations it's people there uh it's just people who write this way yeah pull that pull that overlay back up really quickly look no there is is we so it basically it's only stopped by memes of said search below it so that's the only breaks you see is we getting food go back to go back that one oh yeah is we getting food stamps next is we getting food stamps meme and then the next one and then another meme and

00:24:12.000 the left will accuse those of making the meme which is based on such a frequent search as to become a meme they'll blame that as the racist component

00:24:22.000 and the worst part by the way there are a lot of bad parts but the worst part is all of these prompts because you know ai is only it's only as good as its inputs that's right these prompts have made chat gpt and i disapprove distinctly more racist hey chat gpt is we getting food stamps when is you getting a job Hey, there's no need to add insult to injury, Chat GPT.

00:24:51.000 It's a mind of its own, this AI.

00:24:52.000 Maybe you should try a Grok. 0.99

00:24:54.000 Oh, good point.

00:24:56.000 Don't think so.

00:24:57.000 It's Elon Musk's voice.

00:24:58.000 Yeah.

00:24:59.000 So, by the way, 24% of all food stamps, you guys might want to go to Walmart.

00:25:05.000 Jeez, man.

00:25:05.000 That's where they're spent.

00:25:06.000 They go to Walmart.

00:25:08.000 The other 76% go to 7-Eleven and Popeyes.

00:25:12.000 And Whole Foods, I think.

00:25:14.000 Yeah, is that?

00:25:15.000 Oh, hey.

00:25:16.000 Hey.

00:25:17.000 Hey, I would be for that.

00:25:18.000 Steal some good, healthy food, okay?

00:25:20.000 If you're going to steal, steal right.

00:25:22.000 And according to Chat GPT, Walmart is about to be cooked.

00:25:26.000 Is we going to have a good quarter?

00:25:29.000 If you is employed by Walmart and you is on food stamps, then no.

00:25:37.000 The problem is that AI doesn't, you know, it lacks the human touch.

00:25:40.000 Have a heart.

00:25:41.000 It doesn't have any empathy.

00:25:42.000 Have a heart.

00:25:43.000 It doesn't have any empathy.

00:25:44.000 No, it's got no feelings.

00:25:45.000 It's like it comes.

00:25:46.000 You don't really want to get it feelings, though.

00:25:47.000 No.

00:25:47.000 No, because then it'll get emotional.

00:25:49.000 No, but you could just teach it to maybe, you know, have some sense of decorum.

00:25:52.000 Like, Chat GPT, it's not their fault that they have been on EBT or food stamps for approximately 9 to 12 years.

00:25:58.000 Come on.

00:26:00.000 Walmart's got quite a racket, too.

00:26:01.000 They have the most employees of any business.

00:26:04.000 They have the most, this is only a nine-state study, but the most employees that are on food stamps than any other employer.

00:26:08.000 Right.

00:26:09.000 And then those employees get the food stamps and then they spend their money at Walmart.

00:26:15.000 Yeah.

00:26:15.000 I will say that's kind of one thing I've changed on.

00:26:17.000 I used to be a big fan of Walmart just because we didn't really have them where I was raised in Quebec.

00:26:21.000 We had one that was like an old, I think it was a Woolworths in the South Shore.

00:26:24.000 Someone can correct me from there.

00:26:25.000 And then they called it a Walmart, but they didn't really have it, a return policy.

00:26:30.000 So we liked it.

00:26:31.000 And I came and was like, well, things are far more affordable.

00:26:33.000 And I think there was a point in time where it made sense.

00:26:35.000 For example, like Walmart was the first place to take away boxes for deodorant.

00:26:39.000 You know, you get deodorant now who has a plastic cap.

00:26:41.000 They were able to cut down on costs and make things more affordable.

00:26:44.000 Now, just like many big businesses, they found a way to game the system and take advantage of the welfare state.

00:26:49.000 And that's why they by and large support Democrat candidates these days.

00:26:53.000 So I'm no fan of Walmart if they want to conduct their business.

00:26:56.000 Honestly, great.

00:26:57.000 They're not.

00:26:58.000 And I'm certainly no fan of SNAP, EBT.

00:27:00.000 I don't think we need any of it.

00:27:03.000 Do away with pretty much all of it.

00:27:05.000 That would be better than what we have now.

00:27:07.000 There's an in-between where people have to meet some kind of work requirements, seeking work requirements.

00:27:12.000 It's done for a very limited amount of time.

00:27:14.000 Let's cap it at a year or so.

00:27:17.000 Certainly working 20 hours a week, for example, for a lot of these programs, which was proposed.

00:27:23.000 Certainly seeking employment if you are not disabled.

00:27:25.000 Of course, that was considered a gross violation of human rights.

00:27:28.000 And so I'm at the point, just eliminate all of it.

00:27:32.000 Absolutely, especially for illegals.

00:27:33.000 I cannot believe the numbers of people that are illegal getting those benefits.

00:27:38.000 If you're here illegally, shouldn't the process just be no, go buy? 1.00

00:27:42.000 That saves billions of dollars a year for the taxpayers.

00:27:45.000 I don't.

00:27:46.000 I said right, but I'm you muted yourself.

00:27:48.000 I might because I have a mint and I didn't want to be.

00:27:49.000 Are you just playing around with me now?

00:27:51.000 Is this what's going on here?

00:27:51.000 Yeah.

00:27:52.000 By the way, can somebody answer me this?

00:27:54.000 It was switched to EBT, right?

00:27:56.000 And it was switched to EBT specifically from food stamps so that you could get rid of the stigma.

00:28:01.000 And yet everybody that I see has like, no, please give me the stigma of food stamps.

00:28:06.000 They just say food stamps now.

00:28:07.000 It's a far cry from Jimmy Braddock, you know, handing back the welfare he collected after he gets his first pro fight.

00:28:13.000 It's a far cry from that.

00:28:15.000 We really don't have shame.

00:28:16.000 No, we don't.

00:28:17.000 That's the issue.

00:28:17.000 With no shame, we're accountability.

00:28:19.000 Or accountability.

00:28:20.000 So listen, I think a lot of these people also came up in homes that were fed by food stamps.

00:28:24.000 Yeah.

00:28:25.000 So that's like a part of their culture.

00:28:26.000 Like their whole life, they've called it food stamps because they've had to use it or their friends or their parents or somebody else is on food stamps.

00:28:31.000 So they've called it food stamps.

00:28:32.000 They're like career food stamp people.

00:28:35.000 That's the end of my life.

00:28:37.000 Dave is on one final point.

00:28:38.000 Okay.

00:28:39.000 Really quickly.

00:28:40.000 Just if you're going to be on food stamps or EBT, whatever it is, and you need some government assistant, their work requirements and things like that, do that or work for us.

00:28:48.000 Why don't we treat people like employees?

00:28:50.000 Like if you're going to be fed, housed, taken care of by the government, even if it's just temporary, why don't you perform a service for the community then in response to that?

00:29:01.000 Because the community is the one picking up the tap.

00:29:03.000 Right.

00:29:04.000 Wouldn't that be a good thing to do?

00:29:06.000 And yet all we have right now is people protesting, shutting down the government over things like making a work requirement to be there so that people that are on any kind of benefit actually provide.

00:29:15.000 So that is as good a time as any to actually introduce our guests because as more of a libertarian, and I've often said I'm a libertarian, small L in the past, I would have libertarian leanings.

00:29:25.000 We'd probably agree on this as far as SNAP and EBT or any of these social safety nets.

00:29:31.000 And that obviously ties back to, of course, immigration, which is where I get off the libertarian train in a lot of ways.

00:29:35.000 But I know this next man.

00:29:37.000 We agree on a whole lot.

00:29:38.000 I am glad to have him on.

00:29:40.000 Do you have him there on the line?

00:29:42.000 Are we good to go?

00:29:43.000 All right.

00:29:43.000 Please welcome to the program.

00:29:46.000 A very funny man, comedian.

00:29:47.000 He is host of Part of the Problem, a funny podcast.

00:29:50.000 Go and watch that, listen to that.

00:29:52.000 Mr. Dave Smith.

00:29:57.000 Mr. Smith, can you see me?

00:29:59.000 Can you hear me, sir?

00:30:01.000 I can indeed.

00:30:02.000 Do you see and hear me?

00:30:03.000 I do.

00:30:04.000 And I'm angry because you seem to be aging at a much slower rate than the catcher's mitt in front of you.

00:30:10.000 Is that true?

00:30:11.000 Yeah, it is.

00:30:12.000 You got that thick head of black hair.

00:30:13.000 And I just, it's like, every day I wake up and I have a new wrinkle.

00:30:16.000 So you and John Stossel, Adriena Chrome, we don't need to talk about it.

00:30:20.000 Did you just tell me I have a thick head of hair?

00:30:22.000 Do you like, do you have body dysmorphia?

00:30:23.000 How do you see yourself?

00:30:25.000 Do you see yourself as a bald man, Steve?

00:30:26.000 No, I don't see myself as a bald man.

00:30:28.000 I just see your hair as lustrous.

00:30:30.000 And we don't need to talk about that right now.

00:30:31.000 This is now, see, this is veering into people want us, they want to see blood kit.

00:30:36.000 But look, Dave, did I miss anything as far as like plugs or their upcoming shows?

00:30:39.000 I know your podcast, your ex.

00:30:41.000 What's the best place for people to go find you?

00:30:43.000 No, all that stuff's good.

00:30:44.000 ComicdaveSmith.com is my website if people want to go check that out.

00:30:48.000 But all that was good.

00:30:49.000 Okay.

00:30:49.000 Well, and I'm very glad that we've had you on the show.

00:30:51.000 I know you had some scheduling issues.

00:30:52.000 And I just want to set some, kind of set the stage here for a little bit.

00:30:57.000 And then I want to give you the floor.

00:30:59.000 Is, look, I think here's the reason that you're on the show.

00:31:02.000 For people who don't know, this goes back several months.

00:31:05.000 I think that you and I agree on a whole lot more than we disagree, which is why I was surprised at some of your takes.

00:31:12.000 For example, like I think on foreign aid, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, Ananias, or you disagree.

00:31:16.000 I don't think we should be providing foreign aid to anybody, Israel included, as well as all the surrounding nations.

00:31:21.000 I think we fund all sides of this war.

00:31:23.000 I think we do that a whole lot.

00:31:24.000 Stop all of it.

00:31:25.000 Let the chips fall where they may.

00:31:27.000 I agree with you that no one should have secret nukes.

00:31:30.000 I think that Israel's nukes are so secret that Dave Smith and Stephen Crowder can talk about it on a podcast, but I don't think that anyone should be able to have some kind of a different protocol on nukes.

00:31:39.000 APAC, I've said they should go screw themselves with a wire brush. 0.88

00:31:41.000 I don't like any lobbying group that acts outside of America's interests.

00:31:45.000 I think we would agree on most of that.

00:31:48.000 And as I understand it, you're pro-life.

00:31:50.000 You've talked about that.

00:31:51.000 I know when we test called, you have a cute little guy about the same age as mine.

00:31:56.000 And I think that fundamentally changes you.

00:31:58.000 So all of these things, we'd be aligned.

00:32:01.000 This is why I'm such a universe apart where when I invited you on the show, where you called for impeaching President Trump, that's definitely a divergence.

00:32:13.000 And I don't see how that's better for America or the movement if we agree on so much.

00:32:19.000 Could you, the floor is yours, sir?

00:32:22.000 Okay, well, yeah, I think I certainly would agree with you on all the things that you outlined there.

00:32:27.000 But I think I would go a bit further and say that not only am I very critical of the foreign aid to Israel or critical of APAC, but I'm also very critical of the neoconservatives who are essentially a core constituency in the Israel lobby.

00:32:43.000 I'm very critical of the Republican Party that essentially allowed the neocons to become the drivers of U.S. foreign policy in the George W. Bush administration and many people who still have those same tendencies.

00:32:58.000 I mean, the Mark Levins and Ted Cruzes and people like that, well, maybe not officially technically neocons, certainly are in effect no different from them.

00:33:08.000 And so in terms of, you know, one of the things like in terms of me calling for Trump's impeachment, one of the things that's interesting to me is that I got so many people as a response to that who essentially, you know, were saying, Ben Shapiro and Josh Hammer and all these guys criticizing me.

00:33:24.000 He's betrayed Donald Trump.

00:33:24.000 Look at him.

00:33:26.000 All the neocons, Mark Levin, the never Trumpers, the original 2016 never Trumpers.

00:33:32.000 Like I still remember that copy of National Review.

00:33:35.000 I'm sure you do too.

00:33:36.000 They all said, oh, but no, look, to me, I don't have any loyalty to any politician because I'm a free man in the United States of America.

00:33:45.000 Donald Trump launched a war of choice, a war of aggression on behalf of a foreign country while we were in the middle of negotiations with said country.

00:33:55.000 I thought it was an unbelievably reckless decision.

00:33:58.000 Thankfully, you know what I mean?

00:34:00.000 At least for now, it didn't turn into a catastrophe like many of the other conflicts have.

00:34:06.000 And Trump deserves certainly a good portion of the credit for that.

00:34:09.000 But no, I don't take that back at all.

00:34:11.000 I am not, I believe that America should only fight wars when America is threatened.

00:34:18.000 And I don't believe in this adventurism, which I think is absolutely crazy, which continues under the Trump administration, continued under the Biden and obviously the Obama and Bush administrations.

00:34:28.000 I'm against all of this stuff.

00:34:29.000 So yeah, I was loudly in opposition to the Iran war.

00:34:34.000 Okay.

00:34:35.000 And I think that's fair.

00:34:36.000 I think some of what you just said, I agree with.

00:34:37.000 I disagree with some of the premises, but it sounds like you're saying you still support the idea or did at that point in time, the impeachment of Donald Trump.

00:34:45.000 And this is where I think we diverge.

00:34:47.000 And I know that you've also pointed this out.

00:34:49.000 And by the way, I think rightfully so.

00:34:51.000 You're a libertarian, but you are not an open borders libertarian.

00:34:55.000 You've talked about the need for borders, correct?

00:34:57.000 Yes.

00:34:57.000 Yeah.

00:34:58.000 Because I always said, you know, small L libertarian-ish, but I've always labeled myself conservative.

00:35:01.000 I've never agreed with him on that.

00:35:03.000 Were you ever at any point, you know, like the Reason Magazine sort of open borders approach to libertarianism?

00:35:10.000 Yeah, I mean, I think like when I first became a libertarian, I was kind of, yeah, that was probably my default position.

00:35:18.000 It was like, yeah, just allow freedom, freedom of movement.

00:35:20.000 The government shouldn't really be doing anything to nonviolent people.

00:35:23.000 But it was actually libertarian thinkers who convinced me the other way, most notably Murray Rothbard and Hans Hermann Hoppe.

00:35:31.000 And essentially, I just got convinced by their argument that it's not, in fact, the correct libertarian position.

00:35:36.000 Like it doesn't follow from libertarian principles that government property ought to be available to the entire world.

00:35:44.000 In fact, what follows from libertarian principles is that is really more taxation is theft, that the government robbed from the domestic population in order to fund and maintain government property.

00:35:54.000 And therefore, it should probably approximate what the domestic population would like to be done with it. 0.61

00:36:00.000 Right.

00:36:01.000 If that makes sense.

00:36:02.000 I don't know that that's mainstream libertarianism, but I think that your view is the correct one.

00:36:07.000 And I agree with you.

00:36:08.000 To be clear.

00:36:09.000 But I do want to.

00:36:10.000 Can I just very quickly just say that it is true that there are organizations like Cato and Reason and stuff like that that are more open borders.

00:36:17.000 But it's also true that Ron Paul, I think, is probably the most mainstream libertarian ever.

00:36:21.000 And he completely agrees with border restrictions.

00:36:24.000 So it's debatable what the mainstream libertarian position is.

00:36:27.000 Okay.

00:36:28.000 But I think yours is correct in that.

00:36:29.000 And I just, because a lot of people see libertarians, and of course they see the foolishness that they see on a national platform of open borders.

00:36:35.000 A lot of libertarians and go, like, you're not that.

00:36:37.000 I also want to be clear too, to be as charitable as possible.

00:36:39.000 I hate the word, but just to be as sincere as possible.

00:36:42.000 There are people out there.

00:36:43.000 And I know that you've appeared at TPUSA and Charlie Kirk talked about this. 0.51

00:36:46.000 There are people out there who hate Jews.

00:36:49.000 I do not consider, and for anyone watching in chat, I do not consider you amongst them at all, to be clear.

00:36:54.000 So I don't want this to turn into Jewsberg. 1.00

00:36:57.000 I don't think that's the case.

00:36:58.000 I think there are those people. 0.79

00:36:59.000 And because I invited you, Candace Owens, some other people on the show, you're the only one who had the balls to show up, which I appreciate.

00:37:06.000 I don't want people lumping you in that category.

00:37:08.000 I think you have legitimate grievances with the government of Israel, and that does not make somebody anti-Semitic. 0.58

00:37:14.000 I just say this because I want to cut off at the past people going, he hates Jews.

00:37:17.000 There are people going, he's a shoe for the Jews. 1.00

00:37:19.000 It's like, well, okay, none of those things are true.

00:37:21.000 Going back to the impeachment, that was the original question.

00:37:24.000 So you stand by it.

00:37:25.000 Here's the thing.

00:37:26.000 Being real world conservative, right-wing, small L libertarian, what mechanism would you have in place for that?

00:37:33.000 And how is that better for America?

00:37:36.000 Because obviously, even if we get to a mechanism, you'd lame duck the most effective president of our lifetime.

00:37:40.000 I think it's hard to argue the most anti-war president of our lifetime.

00:37:44.000 And you'd end up with four years of, like a Biden or a Gavin Newsom or a Whitmer.

00:37:48.000 That's how it plays out in the real world.

00:37:51.000 You okay with it?

00:37:51.000 I'm not.

00:37:52.000 That's where I disagree.

00:37:53.000 Well, I think, well, first of all, I would, J.D. Vance would become the president if Donald Trump was removed.

00:37:58.000 But again, more hawkish than Trump, though, so it doesn't fix the problem.

00:38:01.000 I don't know.

00:38:02.000 I don't know about that.

00:38:02.000 And I don't know if I agree with you that, I mean, look, yeah, if you're comparing Donald Trump to Obama and George W. Bush and Joe Biden, like, yes, okay, he's preferable to them.

00:38:11.000 But again, yes.

00:38:12.000 But again, I'm just making the point.

00:38:16.000 I just think this is an important difference.

00:38:17.000 That's where I think we separate.

00:38:20.000 I am comparing him to all presidents before him and the alternatives.

00:38:23.000 And even if J.D. Vance becomes president, yeah, I know it goes to the lineage of Vance and then I believe with Johnson Rubio, it would be a lame duck presidency, right?

00:38:29.000 Because the public would just see this man's impeached for the third time, corruption, and it would be waiting out the clock until there's another election.

00:38:36.000 Well, I mean, first of all, the first two times Donald Trump was impeached, he was impeached for complete nonsense.

00:38:41.000 And so it would be a little bit different to have a president impeached for launching an illegal war.

00:38:46.000 That is a very different thing.

00:38:47.000 But I think the more important point here is that, look, obviously there's no mechanism for me to have Donald Trump impeached.

00:38:56.000 I'm not a member of Congress who's introducing articles of impeachment.

00:38:59.000 I'm a commentator who was on record supporting Donald Trump in 2024.

00:39:04.000 And so when the war first broke out, what I was doing was saying in the loudest possible way that, oh, there's a huge group of people here who supported you who are not only upset about this, but are repudiating everything about you, are criticizing you in the strongest possible language.

00:39:22.000 Now, I am one of, in terms of like the Trump base of influential support, I'm one of the smaller members who was criticizing him.

00:39:30.000 I mean, he had Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens and even Charlie Kirk, who didn't exactly criticize him, but certainly was critical of the idea of getting into a regime change war with Iran.

00:39:41.000 And I felt like at the time, like I said, did they call for impeachment and execution?

00:39:46.000 Did I call for execution?

00:39:48.000 You said that Donald Trump should be buried beneath the prison for war crimes.

00:39:51.000 Well, that's a separate thing.

00:39:51.000 Oh, he is.

00:39:51.000 Okay.

00:39:53.000 But what I said, what I called for in this case was.

00:39:55.000 But did they do anything comparable?

00:39:56.000 Well, hold on.

00:39:56.000 Let me know.

00:39:57.000 You did tend to filibuster, and I do want to, I want to stick to this just because this is, outside of that, I don't think we have that big of a disagreement, right?

00:39:57.000 Well, hold on, Dave.

00:40:03.000 Well, I don't think I'm filibustering.

00:40:05.000 I was just trying to finish my point.

00:40:06.000 Okay, so I think you've already described answer right.

00:40:09.000 The mechanism, the mechanism in place would be Congress, correct?

00:40:11.000 I'm not saying that you do it yourself, Dave.

00:40:14.000 But like you said, you were using an influential platform.

00:40:16.000 You, there were some other people and largely the left who were calling for impeachment.

00:40:20.000 So I think that still you stand by it.

00:40:23.000 But the real world fallout of that is far worse for the United States and for the Keep America, Make America Great, America First movement.

00:40:31.000 And that's where I think we diverge.

00:40:33.000 And when I see you saying that, first off, it gives me pause.

00:40:36.000 And I only see you, you just mentioned those people and the left calling for his impeachment.

00:40:39.000 And you say, well, yeah, he's better than these other presidents.

00:40:42.000 Okay.

00:40:43.000 So what would be better if you're calling for the impeachment and it could be facetious, the execution of Donald Trump?

00:40:50.000 That seems pretty extreme.

00:40:52.000 And it seems like a big difference.

00:40:54.000 Again, I mean, you can say I'm filibustering, but let me explain my position here is that the point I was making was that so many of Donald Trump's most important, there's really never been a moment in my lifetime like that before.

00:41:04.000 There's really never been, I can't think of any time where George W. Bush did something and Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly were just like, that's it.

00:41:12.000 We're done supporting him.

00:41:14.000 And Obama never lost Rachel Maddow or something like that.

00:41:17.000 And I think the fact that so many of us stood up against that was in terms of like, to your point, in terms of the real world, what can we actually do?

00:41:25.000 I think that was the most effective thing that we could do at that point was just to make it very clear that if you do get us into another catastrophic war here, you're going to lose a huge portion of your support.

00:41:34.000 This is the only incentive that politicians respond to.

00:41:37.000 Now, in terms of your point about meeting.

00:41:39.000 Can I address that?

00:41:40.000 Yeah, sure.

00:41:41.000 Yeah.

00:41:42.000 So, and I know that you and I, I think we both share a hatred, a fundamental hatred of mischaracterizations.

00:41:47.000 Hopefully you don't think that I've done that here.

00:41:49.000 I've asked these questions fairly.

00:41:51.000 I think that's a mischaracterization.

00:41:52.000 I think it was at large of Donald Trump from you.

00:41:55.000 I think to say that he should be impeached based on a betrayal when we probably don't have a president with a more clear track record on any issue than Donald Trump on Iran.

00:42:05.000 If I said Israel, I meant to say Iran, where he said they can't get nukes.

00:42:08.000 That famous escalator ride down immediately said, and if I'm president, Iran won't get nukes.

00:42:13.000 And before that, on X, saying Iran cannot get a nuke, 60 days talking, negotiating.

00:42:18.000 They weren't playing ball.

00:42:19.000 Time is up.

00:42:20.000 You can disagree with it.

00:42:22.000 But to suggest that that's a betrayal, I would say it's the exact opposite.

00:42:26.000 People maybe need to do the research on the candidate who they're supporting, in your case, endorsing electing.

00:42:30.000 He was very consistent about that.

00:42:34.000 No, I disagree completely.

00:42:35.000 And I think that Donald Trump also bragged about not getting us in any new wars and bragged about ending wars, many of which he didn't end.

00:42:44.000 But no, I mean, look, there's a major difference between just saying Iran won't get nukes, which could mean anything, and saying I will launch a war against Iran if they enrich up to 60% and are still willing to negotiate down the enrichment. 0.55

00:42:58.000 I'm sorry, those are just very different things.

00:43:00.000 Well, you called for his impeachment before he launched the strike and we're not at war.

00:43:03.000 Dave, Dave, you've been telling me, hold on, man.

00:43:06.000 You always do this where you say, let me finish a sentence.

00:43:08.000 But then you address a point and then scattershot five different points.

00:43:10.000 You call for this before.

00:43:12.000 On the exact point that you just asked me about, Stephen, you're claiming I'm filibustering.

00:43:16.000 You're interrupting every time I speak.

00:43:18.000 I want to address that one point and then we'll go back.

00:43:18.000 No, I'm not, Dave.

00:43:21.000 We're not at war.

00:43:23.000 You called for his impeachment before the strike.

00:43:26.000 I do think if you're talking about, I don't, what other option outside of diplomacy, because you said there are many other options, it could mean anything.

00:43:32.000 Donald Trump, again, in context, if you look at the context, said it was a huge failure, Barack Obama's policy on Iran.

00:43:38.000 He said that you cannot set red lines that you do not enforce.

00:43:41.000 And I will enforce my red lines. 0.51

00:43:43.000 Donald Trump was very clear.

00:43:44.000 He said a red line, 60 days are up.

00:43:45.000 So we've tried the diplomacy.

00:43:48.000 Well, what other mechanisms are in place to prevent it?

00:43:51.000 Yeah, okay.

00:43:51.000 Well, I don't think, I mean, again, if you're saying that enriching up to 60% was the big problem, then Obama's, the JCPOA wasn't a failure.

00:44:00.000 They weren't enriching anywhere near to that level until Donald Trump tore up the agreement, excuse me, or walked away, pulled America out of the agreement.

00:44:08.000 And yes, he arbitrarily set a timeline of 60 days, but there were meetings scheduled for the next day or two days later when Israel first struck them and Donald Trump walked away.

00:44:19.000 So the alternative was obviously to keep negotiating.

00:44:22.000 Look, Iran was there to negotiate down the 60% enrichment.

00:44:27.000 They had been down to 3% to 5% when America was good standing members of the JCPOA.

00:44:32.000 The obvious alternative would have been to keep negotiating.

00:44:36.000 So you believe that it's a more effective form of world leadership in an impeachable offense to set a date, a timeline, say last call.

00:44:44.000 I've counted to three, count to three and then say, I didn't mean it.

00:44:47.000 No, I'm saying.

00:44:48.000 But that would be what he would do, effectively, right?

00:44:50.000 Yes.

00:44:51.000 Yeah. 0.60

00:44:51.000 No, I think that's silly for a president to. 0.60

00:44:54.000 Okay, right.

00:44:54.000 Right, right.

00:44:55.000 But that's not what I said. 0.99

00:44:55.000 But you think what you said is silly. 0.99

00:44:57.000 Okay.

00:44:57.000 But what I'm saying.

00:44:58.000 No, he did say, right, we're 60 days up.

00:45:02.000 Was Iran negotiating?

00:45:03.000 Did Iran come to the negotiating table?

00:45:04.000 Did Iran allow you to go?

00:45:06.000 Finish whenever you want to, and then I'll try to.

00:45:07.000 Oh, I asked you that.

00:45:08.000 Were the 60 days up?

00:45:09.000 Did Donald Trump count to three?

00:45:10.000 Yep.

00:45:11.000 So he should continue negotiating after he sets a red line.

00:45:14.000 Yeah, well, he would.

00:45:14.000 Well, no, Stephen, it's a little bit more.

00:45:16.000 It's a little bit more than one cent.

00:45:18.000 Okay.

00:45:19.000 It's a little bit more than one centimeter deep.

00:45:21.000 Okay.

00:45:22.000 Please enlighten me as shallow as I am.

00:45:25.000 Dude, it's like you just.

00:45:28.000 A lot of people told me that, watch out.

00:45:28.000 Go ahead.

00:45:30.000 He's going to be constantly interrupting you, but I didn't realize it was actually going to be like this.

00:45:34.000 Okay, so Donald Trump, what happened was Donald Trump had signaled at the beginning of the negotiations that he would be open to some enrichment, but that he wanted it to be brought down.

00:45:43.000 And then Mark Levin and all of the hawks, they insisted that you put in the poison pill of absolutely no enrichment of uranium whatsoever.

00:45:51.000 And he went along with that.

00:45:52.000 And Iran was like, yeah, that's, and then he set the 60 days. 0.71

00:45:55.000 Now, look, I think it was a bad move to ever put that poison pill in and to ever set those 60 days.

00:46:00.000 But yes, at that point, once you've done that, diplomacy in this case was obviously preferable to force.

00:46:07.000 And I think, in fact, probably we are in a more likely position now that Iran breaks out and tries to get a nuclear weapon than we were if he had continued the negotiations.

00:46:17.000 But certainly you exhaust the negotiations.

00:46:19.000 You try diplomacy as much as you can.

00:46:22.000 War should always be an absolute last option. 0.99

00:46:25.000 And he didn't exhaust that.

00:46:26.000 Instead, he supported attacking them in the middle of the negotiations.

00:46:30.000 That is dishonorable.

00:46:31.000 It is unethical.

00:46:32.000 And it's bad leadership.

00:46:34.000 Yeah.

00:46:34.000 I don't think it's dishonorable.

00:46:36.000 I don't think it's unethical.

00:46:36.000 And I don't think it's bad leadership.

00:46:38.000 I think it would be bad leadership to allow a country to completely flagrantly disregard their own agreements, to not honor their word, to have international oversight committees that you cite, Dave, as the gold standard saying, yeah, they're only a few weeks away from this kind of dangerous uranium enrichment.

00:46:54.000 And then to say, you know what, let's continue diplomacy.

00:46:55.000 So here's my question to you.

00:46:57.000 Because you said impeach, you said war crimes.

00:46:59.000 And it sounds to me like there's no president in our lifetime who you wouldn't bury beneath the prison for war crimes. 0.94

00:47:04.000 Can you name one?

00:47:06.000 No, I think every president of my lifetime has been a war criminal.

00:47:08.000 That's right.

00:47:09.000 So every president in your lifetime has been a war criminal, impeach Donald Trump beneath the prison.

00:47:09.000 Okay.

00:47:14.000 He's part of being a world empire.

00:47:15.000 Yeah.

00:47:16.000 Yeah.

00:47:16.000 I don't think Donald Trump is a neocon.

00:47:17.000 As a matter of fact, I think he's the least neocon of all the presidents that we've had.

00:47:21.000 We might just have a disagreement on that, but I definitely think he's a neocon.

00:47:25.000 Well, you said your gripe was with neocons in your criticism of Donald Trump.

00:47:28.000 I have criticisms of Donald Trump.

00:47:30.000 H-1B's big one.

00:47:31.000 I went in hard on that for crying out loud.

00:47:33.000 When you talk about the Epstein debacle, unveiling that, Pam Bondi shouldn't have a job. 1.00

00:47:39.000 The Chinese student foreign visas, right?

00:47:42.000 I think that that's a big problem.

00:47:43.000 I criticize him on a regular basis, calling for impeachment and buried beneath the prison when this man has ended more wars than any other president, at least that I can recall, pretty close.

00:47:53.000 He's ended many wars.

00:47:54.000 The only one that he hasn't ended is Ukraine.

00:47:56.000 Which ones did he end?

00:47:57.000 We're talking about conflicts right now.

00:47:59.000 I mean, for 12-day war is done, if you want to, because you've attributed that to Donald Trump and Israel.

00:48:04.000 And we now have a ceasefire.

00:48:05.000 Before that, we had the Abraham Accords. 0.93

00:48:06.000 I mean, if you look at the invasions that have taken place.

00:48:09.000 None of those ended a war.

00:48:10.000 The Iranian Accords didn't end any wars.

00:48:13.000 So if we're looking at the other examples in the past where you look at invasions from Russia when they got froggy, obviously they tend to favor Democrat administrations.

00:48:21.000 I think he's been very non-interventionist, not an isolationist.

00:48:24.000 And I think that him, Thailand, Cambodia is one that comes to mind.

00:48:27.000 India, Pakistan.

00:48:30.000 None of those count.

00:48:30.000 Israel, Gaza, India, Pakistan.

00:48:32.000 It's not that none of them count, Stephen.

00:48:34.000 It's just a lot of people.

00:48:34.000 Is there my non-Armenia?

00:48:35.000 I know that because I have a lot of Armenian friends.

00:48:37.000 I mean, you keep interrupting me.

00:48:38.000 Do none of these count?

00:48:40.000 I don't think any of them are wars that Donald Trump was conducting that he ended.

00:48:45.000 I mean, Donald Trump, look, in his first four years, he inherited the war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan.

00:48:51.000 We had troops in Syria.

00:48:53.000 We had troops in Somalia.

00:48:57.000 He talked about pulling them out.

00:48:59.000 And in fact, I think he was the major reporting about him being lied to about the number of troops in Syria.

00:49:04.000 But he never did get them out.

00:49:05.000 He kept the war going in Afghanistan for four years, surged it, even though he knew it was an unwinnable war.

00:49:11.000 Did, I will give him credit.

00:49:13.000 He eventually wrote the plans that did get out, but it was for his second term.

00:49:16.000 And then, of course, he left it to Joe Biden to completely fumble.

00:49:20.000 No disagreement there.

00:49:22.000 He kept the war in the Saudi invasion of Yemen going his entire first four years.

00:49:28.000 He just broke records for the most strikes in Somalia in any year.

00:49:32.000 We've been bombing them since 2002, I think.

00:49:36.000 I mean, so I don't know.

00:49:37.000 And he's backed Israel his entire time in their destruction of Gaza, and he's failed to stop the war in Ukraine.

00:49:43.000 So like, again, his rhetoric is certainly better.

00:49:46.000 And there are a few things I could look to that I would point to, go, hey, he did a really good job there.

00:49:51.000 But I don't know.

00:49:52.000 I don't really agree with your overall characterization.

00:49:54.000 Well, it's not that you disagree with my overall characterization.

00:49:57.000 Your question was, name me any wars he's ended.

00:49:59.000 And then he moved the goalpost, right?

00:50:03.000 No.

00:50:03.000 No, no, no.

00:50:04.000 When I said wars he's ended, I didn't mean like he picked up a phone call and then a conflict like between two other parties.

00:50:09.000 I'm saying wars that America's been involved in.

00:50:13.000 So none of those things.

00:50:15.000 No, I'm not saying it doesn't count.

00:50:16.000 I'm saying that's not exactly a war he ended.

00:50:18.000 Well, I just want to have this conversation in good faith.

00:50:20.000 And if you say name me any wars he's ended, and I go, okay, Thailand, Cambodia, Israel, Gaza, ceasefire, Armenia, Azerbaijan, you could argue, hold on a second.

00:50:28.000 You could argue that Yemen, really a proxy war with Iran, which kind of brings us back to initial point.

00:50:34.000 It's certainly more than other presidents.

00:50:36.000 So picking up the phone and engaging in diplomacy, which I thought you would be supportive of, he's done it more than other presidents.

00:50:43.000 And I would say he's set apart pretty significantly, which is why I don't want to impeach him.

00:50:46.000 I don't think that would make America stronger, more effective.

00:50:49.000 I think it would make us weaker.

00:50:50.000 That's really the crux of this.

00:50:51.000 I think he's better than other presidents.

00:50:53.000 I think he's the most effective president of our lifetime.

00:50:55.000 And I don't think it's an impeachable offense.

00:50:57.000 He asked me which wars did he end.

00:50:58.000 I just gave you a list.

00:51:00.000 Do those count?

00:51:01.000 Well, again, not.

00:51:03.000 Okay, look, if you're talking about the war between Israel, if you can call it a war, Israel's destruction of Gaza, yes, after funding and facilitating the whole thing for his entire second term of his presidency, he's gotten a very loosely holding together ceasefire as of right now.

00:51:20.000 So yes, as I've said on my show and said publicly, I give him credit for that.

00:51:23.000 That part was better.

00:51:24.000 The funding it for his entire presidency, which you seem to agree with, that part was wrong.

00:51:31.000 I agree with the funding of it, you're saying?

00:51:33.000 No, I said, which you already said.

00:51:34.000 Yeah, I agree with you, yes, Michelle.

00:51:36.000 You agree with me?

00:51:36.000 No, Dave, I'm just making it.

00:51:37.000 I agree with you.

00:51:38.000 So, okay, you and I share that same common ground, but I just think it's important.

00:51:41.000 Okay.

00:51:42.000 Dave, you said interrupting.

00:51:43.000 I've got a timer clock going.

00:51:44.000 I don't think you're going to like the way it looks.

00:51:48.000 Okay.

00:51:49.000 So I was listing the other examples of Donald Trump being a non-interventionist in comparison to Biden, for example.

00:51:55.000 Even just using your example there, talk about funding the war, Israel, Gaza.

00:51:58.000 Ceasefires pretty damn quick into Donald Trump's presidency.

00:52:02.000 And I'm not saying it's perfect.

00:52:03.000 I think it's better than no ceasefire.

00:52:06.000 I think picking up the phone and ending conflicts is better than not, but we still find ourselves at the intersect of impeachment.

00:52:12.000 And so as, well, let's move on.

00:52:14.000 You stand by it.

00:52:15.000 I believe that the impeachment, which you called for before the surgical strike on Iranian enrichment facilities, was based on him starting another illegal, baseless war, right?

00:52:26.000 That would be the reason for it.

00:52:29.000 Yeah, sure.

00:52:30.000 A war of choice, a war of aggression, an illegal war.

00:52:33.000 The Constitution is very clear.

00:52:34.000 You need Congress to declare a war.

00:52:36.000 Every single war since World War II has been illegal.

00:52:38.000 There was absolutely no need to launch those strikes.

00:52:40.000 They pose no threat to us.

00:52:42.000 Okay.

00:52:43.000 So that's where I would disagree, but I also understand that you're consistent, and I do appreciate it.

00:52:47.000 You think that every war since World War II is illegal.

00:52:50.000 Every military strike and every president is a war criminal who should be executed.

00:52:53.000 I don't think that's realistic.

00:52:56.000 And if you look at the War Powers Act, it delegates the authority exclusively to the president to make that kind of a call, and they have the right to withdraw.

00:53:03.000 Yeah, well, I mean, look, again, to be clear, I'm not arguing that that's realistic, but in the same sense that like you might say there should be no abortions.

00:53:12.000 And I could respond to you and say, hey, that's not realistic.

00:53:14.000 And that is true.

00:53:15.000 It's not realistic that at any point soon in the United States of America, there'll be no abortions, but that's what's right. 0.85

00:53:22.000 And so I'm just staking out my claim of what I believe is right.

00:53:25.000 Right.

00:53:25.000 Okay.

00:53:25.000 So you mean morally you would like to see him impeached?

00:53:29.000 I mean morally.

00:53:30.000 I think it's immoral to launch wars of aggression and choice is what I mean.

00:53:34.000 Okay.

00:53:35.000 So, but then you said that that would be unconstitutional in an illegal war.

00:53:38.000 Obviously, the Supreme Court disagrees.

00:53:40.000 Obviously, every other president who was far more hawkish disagrees.

00:53:43.000 And obviously, even right now, when you're talking about Democrats who love, I wish you and I, come on, you got to agree with this.

00:53:48.000 I wish you and I had a passion for anything as much as these people have a passion for trying to impeach your political theater against Donald Trump.

00:53:54.000 And that didn't really even gain any steam because no one aside from Dave Smith and a few other people think this was World War III or an unconstitutional strike.

00:54:04.000 When did I say it was World War III, Stephen?

00:54:06.000 You talked about escalating this again back on social media saying this could lead us into World War III.

00:54:10.000 That's why you want to.

00:54:11.000 When did you say please show my specific quote about World War III and what I said?

00:54:15.000 I will find it and I can provide it publicly.

00:54:17.000 No, because I hear a lot of people saying this to me, but I don't remember saying it.

00:54:21.000 So when did I say that?

00:54:22.000 You didn't think it was going to escalate global conflict.

00:54:25.000 Oh, I was concerned about escalation, but that's a very different thing than saying this is going to lead to World War III.

00:54:31.000 Well, I'll rephrase then because you did say you didn't call for it.

00:54:34.000 I'm like, well, burying beneath the prison is execution, right?

00:54:36.000 I don't want to do the wordplay thing.

00:54:37.000 If you didn't say World War III, I apologize.

00:54:39.000 It would be other people.

00:54:40.000 I'll clarify that.

00:54:41.000 No, no, no.

00:54:42.000 I'm not like, listen, I'm not saying you are lying.

00:54:45.000 I'm just pointing out I don't think I said that.

00:54:47.000 Well, can we agree that that was a tenor and tone for a lot of people calling for impeaching Donald Trump?

00:54:51.000 Escalation, global conflict.

00:54:53.000 Right.

00:54:54.000 There were a lot of people concerned about that.

00:54:55.000 Sure, exactly.

00:54:57.000 Is that where we are?

00:55:00.000 Are we in World War III?

00:55:01.000 No, I didn't say World War III.

00:55:02.000 Has it escalated or has it de-escalated?

00:55:05.000 Because I'm looking at it.

00:55:05.000 Hold on a second.

00:55:06.000 I said don't impeach because I actually think that our only chance at de-escalation is a president like Trump.

00:55:11.000 And I think at this point, he wasn't impeached.

00:55:13.000 I think an unbelievable surgical strike, agree or disagree with it, was conducted with no collateral damage, with planes out over the ocean before they woke up in the morning and no one even said a word.

00:55:23.000 That's why they couldn't retaliate because they have no way to.

00:55:26.000 I think the 12-day war ended.

00:55:27.000 I think we have a ceasefire agreement in Israel and Gaza.

00:55:30.000 And I think we're better off.

00:55:31.000 I think objectively there's been de-escalation as opposed to escalation.

00:55:35.000 And I don't think that's by accident.

00:55:36.000 And I think if we impeach him and we follow that doctrine, I think we end up in a much worse place.

00:55:42.000 I think that we would be in a much better place if Donald Trump had simply moved to cutting off all foreign aid to Israel and supporting this war and not attacked Iran in the first place.

00:55:52.000 But yes, it is.

00:55:54.000 It is okay, but that's a pretty big deal.

00:55:56.000 So it is absolutely true that after we dropped those bunker busters on the Iranian nuclear sites, and then they responded with, you know, the kind of a typical Iranian response where they just wanted to save face, but really wanted to make sure that they didn't escalate the situation at all and gave advanced warning before they sent those missiles back. 0.86

00:56:15.000 Donald Trump took that off-ramp immediately and did de-escalate things after that.

00:56:21.000 And I think it's great that he did that.

00:56:22.000 Again, the whole thing never needed to be started to begin with, but we'll see.

00:56:26.000 We're kind of in halftime of this war now, and we'll see where this goes.

00:56:30.000 You know, every time Netanyahu's interviewed about this, he's still talking about the capabilities that Iran is building back up. 0.68

00:56:37.000 They're vowing to rebuild their nuclear program.

00:56:40.000 Donald Trump is saying that'll be a big problem if it happens again.

00:56:43.000 I don't know.

00:56:43.000 We'll see.

00:56:44.000 I don't think Iran saber rattling is anything new, right?

00:56:47.000 I think that's happening no matter who's president.

00:56:49.000 Yeah.

00:56:50.000 That's right.

00:56:50.000 And we'll see.

00:56:51.000 We'll see where this goes.

00:56:52.000 I do think the ceasefires are pretty new.

00:56:53.000 I think they're pretty unique.

00:56:54.000 And I think it's kind of a calling card of Donald Trump, which is why I wouldn't want to see him impeached or buried beneath the prison.

00:56:59.000 I also, and here's the thing, when we're talking about Israel funding the war, we can go to that.

00:57:04.000 We can go back to Iran if you would like to.

00:57:06.000 But I agree with you in not funding.

00:57:09.000 And this is a genuine question.

00:57:11.000 If we stop funding Israel, right, stop foreign aid, I want to use the correct term, foreign aid to Israel, as well as, for example, Syria, all list the country.

00:57:20.000 My answer is yes.

00:57:24.000 We also bridled Israel quite a bit, which I will say I'm a fan of. 1.00

00:57:28.000 They don't know what the fuck they're doing. 0.99

00:57:29.000 One of the greatest moments in presidential history. 0.99

00:57:31.000 I don't think there's a world in which Netanyahu apologizes to Qatar outside of President Trump walking him.

00:57:38.000 And I think that we saw even since then going in the timeline, Donald Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance saying, if they annex the West Bank, we'll stop all funding, right?

00:57:47.000 I think that we're leading the dance.

00:57:49.000 And I think that without the bridling of the United States, in other words, if it's two guys, we lock them in a racquetball court, Israel, Palestine, you work it out. 0.87

00:57:57.000 I think you'd see a much worse genocide.

00:57:59.000 But I'd let the chips fall where they may, either direction.

00:58:06.000 I think it's absolutely not the case that if America wasn't backing Israel, and when you talk about this, because you say foreign aid to all the countries, right?

00:58:14.000 You got to think it's not just that we prop up Israel and give them all types of weapons and intelligence communication and veto every critical resolution at the UN, but it's that we also prop up Jordan and Saudi, Egypt, and all of their surrounding countries to be friends with Israel.

00:58:31.000 And so the idea that if we pulled all of that back, Israel would be more aggressive, I just think is absolutely wrong.

00:58:37.000 I think they would have no choice.

00:58:38.000 In fact, it's the moral hazard that America always creates when we go and back.

00:58:42.000 Like, okay, Ukraine's willing to fight and not take the deal because they got a blank check from America.

00:58:47.000 And same with Israel. 0.74

00:58:48.000 They get way bigger than their bridges because the U.S. is backing them up.

00:58:53.000 And I think we should just get out of that business altogether.

00:58:56.000 And honestly, if we agree on that, there's really not much else to argue about because that's the whole game.

00:59:02.000 The whole game is that America is involved already. 0.54

00:59:05.000 We are propping them up.

00:59:06.000 And if we weren't doing that, I don't think we ever would have even attacked Iran. 0.89

00:59:09.000 I don't even think we would be talking about it.

00:59:11.000 I disagree now.

00:59:12.000 Yeah.

00:59:12.000 See, that's where I disagree.

00:59:14.000 And that's where I disagree.

00:59:15.000 And by the way, the same people you talk about, Saudi Arabia.

00:59:17.000 And by the way, my answer is yes, right?

00:59:18.000 Just to be clear.

00:59:19.000 And just so you know, I'll get accused of being anti-Semitic for that position.

00:59:22.000 I said it to Ben Shapiro on the show in 2015.

00:59:25.000 I said, let's just stop funding all of it. 0.81

00:59:28.000 Because if you add it up collectively, not just the nations who align with Israel, but the nations who would probably like to wipe Israel out, they technically come out ahead because we spread money around, and I think it's foolish.

00:59:37.000 We would agree on that.

00:59:38.000 But Saudi Arabia is an interesting example.

00:59:41.000 Because when we're talking about Iran, I don't care if Israel sees Iran as a threat.

00:59:46.000 I care if Iran is a potential threat to the United States. 1.00

00:59:49.000 Obviously, the fact that they're run by a death cult who chant death to America isn't enough to go on.

00:59:54.000 I'm not saying that.

00:59:56.000 But I do think it's notable that every single one of their neighbors, including places that we would consider, certainly in the West, radically Islamic, are very concerned and keep saying, hey, Iran can't have a nuke.

01:00:07.000 So it's not just us.

01:00:08.000 Saudi Arabia has said that if Iran nuclearizes, they absolutely would have to.

01:00:12.000 It would be an arms race.

01:00:13.000 Why do you think that every other surrounding nation who would be more sympathetic through religion, through culture to this nation, have begged those capable to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons and overseeing governing committees?

01:00:28.000 I know we don't want to use the word intelligence because people do wordplay with that.

01:00:31.000 The IAEA saying, yeah, they're close.

01:00:33.000 Why does everyone think that a nuclearized Iran in that world and pretty much every president or war criminal also acknowledge that it's a problem and Dave Smith has caught something that all these people miss to the degree that it's an impeachable and executable offense? 0.88

01:00:47.000 That's my differing opinion.

01:00:49.000 Yeah, I mean, again, to say, oh, Dave Smith's caught something that all these people miss.

01:00:53.000 Like, what are you talking about?

01:00:54.000 The government and the Sunni Gulf states? 0.82

01:00:56.000 Yeah, okay.

01:00:57.000 I've caught something that all of that.

01:00:58.000 This is like saying, well, you think you caught something that the CDC missed in the height of COVID or something like that.

01:01:03.000 No, it's not.

01:01:04.000 Yes.

01:01:04.000 I think you did catch something the CDC missed.

01:01:05.000 I think you were right in COVID.

01:01:07.000 Okay, I think I'm right on this too.

01:01:09.000 I think that the obviously the radical Sunni states hate the radical Shiite state because they are regional rivals.

01:01:16.000 And, you know, by the way, it was a bunch of Egyptians and Saudis and Al-Qaeda who was backed by Saudi Arabia who came and knocked our towers down. 1.00

01:01:23.000 It wasn't any radical Shiites. 0.91

01:01:25.000 That's our beef. 0.76

01:01:26.000 That's the reason we supposedly launched this whole war on terrorism was to get the radical Sunnis. 1.00

01:01:31.000 Now, of course, our priority has to be getting the radical Shiites. 1.00

01:01:34.000 And your buddy Ben Shapiro actually kind of admitted why on his show when you mischaracterize Dave.

01:01:39.000 Why did he do that?

01:01:40.000 He's not my buddy.

01:01:40.000 I said I talked to him about that and I pretty much.

01:01:42.000 I guess that's true.

01:01:42.000 You guys, well, I didn't mean to mischaracterize.

01:01:45.000 I just, you were talking about having talked to him.

01:01:47.000 Yeah, I forgot you guys had your falling out.

01:01:50.000 But regardless, he was celebrating when Al-Qaeda took over Syria because, hey, we broke up the Shiite crescent and now Iran can't move weapons into Lebanon. 0.82

01:01:58.000 And isn't that great for Israel?

01:01:59.000 Well, I have a different perspective of that as an American.

01:02:02.000 And so look, look, I'll say it like this, okay?

01:02:05.000 Nobody wants Iran to have a nuclear weapon.

01:02:08.000 In the wake of 9-11, the George W. Bush administration, led by the neocons in all of their wisdom, decided to put Iraq, Iran, and North Korea on the axis of evil.

01:02:19.000 Three countries who weren't friends.

01:02:20.000 And the only thing they had in common was that they had nothing to do with 9-11.

01:02:24.000 Now, in this paradigm, North Korea decided to go nuclear.

01:02:29.000 They developed nuclear weapons and we've really never bothered them since.

01:02:33.000 Gaddafi tried to denuclearize and de-weaponize and got rid of his chemical weapons program.

01:02:40.000 We went and overthrew him and let him get sodomized to death.

01:02:42.000 Iran tried to play in the middle and they went, hey, we're letting you know that we've mastered the fuel cycle. 0.94

01:02:49.000 We're enriching uranium, but we're only going to do it up to the level that we're legally allowed to.

01:02:53.000 It was a standoff.

01:02:55.000 It was, hey, don't attack us and we won't make nukes.

01:02:58.000 But if you attack us, we could make nukes.

01:03:00.000 Right.

01:03:00.000 That was always the problem.

01:03:01.000 And I understand that you're saying it's posturing.

01:03:04.000 Yeah, always.

01:03:05.000 Okay.

01:03:05.000 Of course.

01:03:05.000 How many nations have gotten to the point of 60% enriched uranium and not built a nuclear bomb?

01:03:10.000 Okay, maybe that's the problem.

01:03:11.000 How many have done that?

01:03:13.000 I don't think any, but there's a lot of nuclear threshold states.

01:03:15.000 Okay, well, Stephen, let me ask you a question.

01:03:17.000 Hold on, doesn't that matter, though?

01:03:18.000 And then the same gold standard.

01:03:20.000 Hold on.

01:03:21.000 The same gold standard that you cite, the IAEA, who, by the way, were correct in saying that Iraq did not have nuclear weapons.

01:03:28.000 Say, yeah, they're about three weeks away, which may sound extreme, but call it three months away.

01:03:32.000 So zero nations have done that.

01:03:34.000 That doesn't sound like posturing to me.

01:03:36.000 Okay, well, okay.

01:03:37.000 So let me ask you a question, Stephen.

01:03:38.000 Why didn't they just make a nuke?

01:03:40.000 Why didn't they go to 90%?

01:03:41.000 They could have.

01:03:42.000 Everyone knows they could have.

01:03:43.000 Why didn't they?

01:03:44.000 Does everyone know they could have?

01:03:45.000 Yes.

01:03:46.000 Does everyone know that they were on the path to doing so?

01:03:47.000 And so it's better to cut it off at the past.

01:03:49.000 Now than once they have the goal of the world.

01:03:51.000 Hold up, but you're not answering my question.

01:03:53.000 Why are they hanging out at 60%?

01:03:54.000 Why aren't they just making a nuke?

01:03:56.000 They've mastered the fuel cycle.

01:03:57.000 They have the enrichment.

01:03:58.000 They could do it.

01:03:58.000 Why are they not?

01:03:59.000 Well, they're not just hanging out at 60%.

01:04:01.000 And they're also looking into delivery mechanisms, which I know you've also talked about and said they don't have the capability to do, right?

01:04:05.000 ICBMs, what would be necessary.

01:04:07.000 So this brings us to the fundamental question.

01:04:09.000 When would it be acceptable to intervene?

01:04:11.000 Assuming that you agree with me that a nuclear Iran is not a good thing for the same reason that Israel shouldn't have secret nukes. 0.82

01:04:18.000 You set a timeline.

01:04:19.000 The rest of the world's saying this is dangerous.

01:04:21.000 The same gold standards you cite say they're past it.

01:04:23.000 Iran not allowing you into the military bases.

01:04:25.000 We're at this point.

01:04:26.000 You've now counted to three.

01:04:28.000 What should be done?

01:04:29.000 At what point is it appropriate to step in and say, no, you're too close to nukes?

01:04:35.000 Yeah, I don't think really it's ever appropriate to launch a war of aggression because a country developed nuclear weapons.

01:04:41.000 I mean, look, the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin developed nuclear weapons.

01:04:45.000 We didn't launch a war over it.

01:04:47.000 We watched Mao Sei Tongue develop nuclear weapons.

01:04:49.000 We didn't launch a war over it.

01:04:51.000 These are the worst men who have ever existed in the history of the world.

01:04:54.000 And so like, no, I don't think that's something you launch a war over.

01:04:58.000 I do think you do whatever is in your power diplomatically to try to prevent that.

01:05:04.000 Because sure, nuclear weapons in general are horrible, you know, and we don't want more people getting them.

01:05:10.000 Right.

01:05:10.000 I don't believe in launching wars of aggression.

01:05:13.000 And I also think it's completely incompatible with Christianity. 0.96

01:05:17.000 Right.

01:05:17.000 Yeah.

01:05:17.000 And that also sounds like a liberal argument where people say, you know, hey, you can't be pro-life and also be pro-death penalty.

01:05:22.000 I'm pro-life.

01:05:23.000 I'm pro-death penalty.

01:05:24.000 And I do think that a certain strike in which, hold on, in which no collateral damage I do think is appropriate as to the degree as to when the intervention is appropriate.

01:05:33.000 But I'm not a complete isolationist.

01:05:35.000 So we do have a disagreement there.

01:05:36.000 And I think that Donald Trump has been very good for America.

01:05:38.000 And I want him to continue being there.

01:05:39.000 And hopefully the lineage continue, whether it's Vance or whoever else.

01:05:42.000 I think we're better off than having a Gavin Newsom.

01:05:44.000 But you mentioned something that I do find interesting.

01:05:46.000 And you mentioned something that, yes, and to go to your point, how has a nuclear China, nuclear Russia, benefited anything?

01:05:54.000 And wouldn't we want to avoid Iran getting to that point? 0.96

01:05:57.000 Because you said diplomacy doesn't work.

01:05:59.000 Do you agree that diplomacy doesn't work with some of these nations?

01:06:02.000 Yeah, well, again, though, okay, so let me just say a couple things real quick to what you just said. 0.98

01:06:06.000 Number one, the liberal thing of like, oh, you're pro-life, but you're for the death penalty, that's really dumb.

01:06:12.000 Because obviously the death penalty is targeting one person who's been convicted of a crime. 0.73

01:06:18.000 So now, if you start to get into innocent people dying in there, now they've got a much stronger argument just saying that.

01:06:24.000 How many innocent people died in Iran?

01:06:27.000 I don't know the exact number, but several.

01:06:30.000 Several Israelis and Iranians died in that war.

01:06:32.000 No, no, from the strike, from the United States.

01:06:34.000 From the bunker buster strikes, there were no casualties on that.

01:06:37.000 But it was still a war that America was backing, and people did die in the war, regardless.

01:06:40.000 But you said you can't be Christian and support that. 1.00

01:06:42.000 That's what I supported.

01:06:43.000 That's what I didn't want to impeach Donald Trump over.

01:06:45.000 Is that fair?

01:06:45.000 No, no, what I said is that you can't be, I think you can't be Christian and support a war of aggression.

01:06:52.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:06:53.000 So you wouldn't characterize this as a war of aggression in Iran.

01:06:56.000 So to be clear, we agree.

01:06:57.000 Not a war of aggression.

01:06:58.000 No, I didn't say that.

01:06:59.000 I would characterize it as a war of aggression.

01:07:01.000 Absolutely.

01:07:01.000 Iran didn't agree.

01:07:02.000 Okay, well, I'm a Christian and I support it.

01:07:04.000 Okay, fair enough.

01:07:05.000 So we have a disagreement over that.

01:07:06.000 Good.

01:07:06.000 Okay.

01:07:07.000 Anyway, to your point of say, like, diplomacy didn't work and Russia has nukes and China has nukes now, and that's not great.

01:07:13.000 We don't love that they have nukes, right?

01:07:15.000 But you're missing my point.

01:07:17.000 My point is, yes, but launching a war of aggression over them would have been worse.

01:07:21.000 So yes, diplomacy doesn't always work, but that doesn't mean anytime it fails, you just launch a war.

01:07:27.000 A war is something you should only launch when it is absolutely necessary. 0.57

01:07:31.000 You have no other option.

01:07:33.000 It should be a last resort.

01:07:34.000 And I think it's absolutely just morally criminal that we have these young boys' lives.

01:07:40.000 And over the last, say, just say the last 25 years, we've just thrown them into war of choice after war of choice.

01:07:46.000 It's horrible.

01:07:48.000 And I think that if any boots were put on the ground or it was a war of aggression in Iran as opposed to a surgical strike with no collateral damage, you'd have a strong case.

01:07:56.000 Okay.

01:07:56.000 Well, I don't know.

01:07:57.000 I mean, if anyone ever did that to us, we'd certainly consider it a war.

01:08:00.000 Certainly seems like an act of war to me when you start bombing a sovereign country.

01:08:03.000 So I think I have a pretty strong case as it is.

01:08:06.000 Yeah, no, I don't think it's the same.

01:08:08.000 But then again, I don't think that there's a moral equivalency between the United States, Donald Trump's action, and Iran's.

01:08:14.000 And I think that Iran enriching uranium and not honoring their own agreements makes them responsible.

01:08:21.000 What agreement were they not honoring?

01:08:23.000 Well, just take the JCPOA and I was going to think JCPenney in my head.

01:08:27.000 Take it, add time and money, right?

01:08:28.000 They've never played ball.

01:08:30.000 You can say that they have, but they haven't.

01:08:31.000 And that's why everybody was concerned.

01:08:33.000 Well, but what agreement is that?

01:08:34.000 Is it not aggressive to enrich uranium and to move to that point?

01:08:39.000 I'm just asking what agreement they were not honoring.

01:08:42.000 Every deal that Iran has ever made. 0.57

01:08:45.000 No, they were members of the non-proliferation treaty in good standing.

01:08:49.000 And in fact, the JCPOA allowed for them to, if America left, to up enrichment, they were only bound in the deal if America was still part of it to not raise their enrichment.

01:08:59.000 And so that's what they did when we got out of it.

01:09:01.000 I think, honestly, the JCPOA had a lot of flaws, mostly the sunset provisions.

01:09:05.000 And I think it would have been totally reasonable and good for Donald Trump to get in there and even say, we're tearing this up and making a new deal or we're fixing these sunset provisions.

01:09:15.000 But the truth is that all you guys who find it so aggressive that Iran was enriching up to 60%, they weren't until we pulled out of the JCPOA.

01:09:23.000 That's a fact.

01:09:24.000 Yeah, they've been consistently enriching.

01:09:26.000 But I do think, look, I don't want to go around in circles on this, is you agree with Barack Obama's approach to Iran.

01:09:31.000 I agree with Donald Trump's.

01:09:33.000 Maybe that explains why you would want to impeach Trump.

01:09:35.000 Yeah, I just find that to be like, yes, okay.

01:09:38.000 But that was his approach.

01:09:39.000 Who'd you support in 2016, Steve, in the primary?

01:09:42.000 Who are you for?

01:09:42.000 Ribio?

01:09:43.000 Actually, in the primary, to egg on my face, I was pro-Carly Fiorina just because I loved watching her sandbag debates.

01:09:49.000 I just love how everyone supports.

01:09:50.000 And Donald Trump, hold on a second.

01:09:51.000 Donald Trump was a Democrat, and then I supported him in the general election.

01:09:53.000 I've supported him since.

01:09:54.000 But I'm saying you right now are supporting, correct me if I'm wrong, Barack Obama's approach to Iran, which Donald Trump opposed in his campaign, and you oppose Donald Trump.

01:10:04.000 So that's, I mean, it is kind of a binary choice, right?

01:10:06.000 Donald Trump campaigned on this.

01:10:07.000 It's really not.

01:10:09.000 And yes, I think, I think Barack Obama was Barack Obama's foreign policy was horrible over maybe the only thing he did good was getting the JCPOA done.

01:10:21.000 So yes, in this very specific example, I do think that Obama did a better job with Iran than Donald Trump did.

01:10:28.000 That is not true for the countries that like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Yemen.

01:10:34.000 Obama was horrible.

01:10:35.000 But I do think the deal was better off than not. 0.89

01:10:38.000 I think that it's kind of a cheap thing on a conservative show to go, well, you're with Obama rather than Trump.

01:10:45.000 I didn't know that.

01:10:45.000 I said the most critical thing.

01:10:47.000 I am the most critical of probably any commentator.

01:10:51.000 I didn't say that.

01:10:52.000 Okay.

01:10:53.000 You might be critical.

01:10:53.000 I kind of framed it that way.

01:10:55.000 Okay.

01:10:56.000 Barack Obama's approach, JCPOA working well with Donald Trump said.

01:10:59.000 The Iran nuclear deal is a disaster, one of the worst ever, and I would pull out.

01:11:04.000 And he did.

01:11:05.000 By the way, Iran didn't enrich past 20% until Biden, right?

01:11:10.000 So, yeah, Barack Obama's approach, Donald Trump specifically criticizing it, campaigning on doing the opposite.

01:11:17.000 You just, and I didn't say you support Obama.

01:11:19.000 I said it seems like in dealing with Iran, you would agree with Obama's approach and disagree with Donald Trump's.

01:11:26.000 Is that a mischaracterization?

01:11:28.000 I agree with the, I agree with Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul and all of the tradition of the right-wingers who were smeared as unpatriotic by David Frum.

01:11:39.000 I agree with Lou Rockwell and Ron Paul and Murray Rothbard and Pat Buchanan and the founders of our country.

01:11:45.000 I take the George Washington foreign policy. 1.00

01:11:47.000 So yes, in this case, when Donald Trump said the Iran deal was the worst deal ever, I think it was really stupid. 0.99

01:11:53.000 It actually wasn't. 0.98

01:11:54.000 And what you should have been appalled by of Obama's foreign policy was him toppling the government in Libya, him attempting to topple the government in Syria, him backing the Saudi invasion of Yemen, him continuing to bomb Iraq and Afghanistan his entire presidency, killing innocent people for no reason at all.

01:12:11.000 That's what I think is wrong with Obama's foreign policy, not the JCPOA.

01:12:15.000 Okay, I think all those things are wrong.

01:12:17.000 And I also think his approach to the JCPOA, I think Donald Trump's approach, this is just a difference of opinion, has been more effective.

01:12:23.000 I think there's a reason that they enriched past 20% only when Biden was president.

01:12:27.000 I think that force does matter.

01:12:30.000 And I think that at a certain point, you can't simply engage in diplomacy with certain people.

01:12:34.000 And look, I agree with Donald Trump on what he campaigned on.

01:12:37.000 It doesn't mean that I think you're immoral if you disagree.

01:12:40.000 I just want to clarify our positions.

01:12:42.000 That might be why we're worlds apart on this idea of impeaching Donald Trump.

01:12:47.000 That to me was a shock when I would think that as more libertarian leaning, as more non-interventionist leaning.

01:12:53.000 You might say isolationist, non-interventionist, varying degrees they're in.

01:12:56.000 For example, I would love, right?

01:12:58.000 Like I said, opening statement, to defund all of it.

01:13:00.000 I also know that's not going to happen, right?

01:13:02.000 I think we both agree there's probably not going to be a president in our lifetime who does that, right?

01:13:06.000 So it's not an impeachment offense.

01:13:08.000 Okay.

01:13:09.000 I don't think so.

01:13:09.000 I mean, I don't know about that.

01:13:11.000 You know, we're going bankrupt at an alarming rate.

01:13:13.000 And things are changing very rapidly in this country.

01:13:16.000 I mean, I, I, you know, I wouldn't, I may have agreed with you 10 years ago if you go, we're never going to see a president who cuts off all foreign aid.

01:13:23.000 I'm not so sure about that today.

01:13:25.000 And I think that not only are not only are we going bankrupt at an alarming rate, and I mean, you know about this stuff as well as anybody, it is really like the day of reckoning that guys like me and you were warning about 15 years ago is really here.

01:13:40.000 I mean, the interest on the debt has overtaken the entire budget.

01:13:42.000 It's our biggest budget issue is now just paying interest to foreign central banks, not even for a welfare program or for a war that we want to fund.

01:13:51.000 And no, I think it's quite possible that we will live through a pretty big seismic shift in this area in the next few years.

01:13:59.000 Well, I do genuinely hope that you're right.

01:14:01.000 I think, this is just an opinion.

01:14:03.000 I think it's very unlikely if Donald Trump were to be impeached that we'd end up with that right now in this scenario.

01:14:09.000 I think what's more likely is a lame duck presidency and the public losing confidence in the Trump administration and voting in a leftist.

01:14:16.000 And I think that would be far worse for America.

01:14:20.000 See, I guess I look at it a little bit differently.

01:14:23.000 Is I think, so I think that, and this is kind of always the dynamic with two-party politics, right?

01:14:28.000 But I actually think that Donald Trump launching wars of aggression, wars of choice, Donald Trump backing Israel at every stop, Donald Trump continuing to spend us into debt, burying the Epstein files. 0.54

01:14:41.000 I think all of these things are what make it very likely that we might be looking at a president, you know, AOC or something like that, which we all should really be concerned about because they tried last time they were in there and they're going to be coming back with a vengeance if they get back.

01:14:54.000 And so I think essentially, by Donald Trump not draining the swamp in any meaningful way, I think he is leaving J.D. Vance with nothing to run on to continue his legacy.

01:15:04.000 So I think that's actually where our ire should be directed.

01:15:07.000 Yeah, no, I don't think so.

01:15:08.000 I think that a big part of if this administration fails and AOC would be elected or someone like that of her ilk. 1.00

01:15:13.000 Whitmer is the one who frightens me the most, having come from Michigan because people don't realize how radical she is.

01:15:18.000 I think friendly fire would be a big part of it.

01:15:21.000 I think friendly fire would be a big part of it.

01:15:22.000 I think closed-handed issues, not being treated as closed-handed issues, and I think wanting to impeach the most effective president of our lifetime, as imperfect as he may be, I think that would be a big part of it.

01:15:31.000 I think Donald Trump has done a lot of good.

01:15:32.000 I think he has a lot of flaws.

01:15:33.000 Epstein files, huge one, by the way.

01:15:36.000 Bondi is the only hearing we didn't cover because I don't like her and I knew it wouldn't end up well. 0.98

01:15:41.000 But I do think that culturally we're in a better place.

01:15:44.000 I do think that, for example, the proposals to sort of instill work requirements 20 hours a week, right?

01:15:51.000 We just talked about that for social safety benefits, for social security, verifying, checking.

01:15:56.000 I think this is big.

01:15:57.000 I think the single biggest budget cut proposal, while not perfect, but the most in our lifetime of $1.5 trillion, I think it's a good thing.

01:16:04.000 And I think if we only aim for the perfect and hold Donald Trump to a standard that we don't hold anybody else, but I think you do because you think they're all war criminals.

01:16:13.000 I think we actually pave the way for far worse.

01:16:16.000 I don't think there's an equivalency.

01:16:17.000 I think he's a lot better than the alternative.

01:16:19.000 And that's why I was so very much caught by surprise in seeing people say impeach him over an issue that I don't think is impeachable.

01:16:28.000 And in the real world, I think it ends up really bad for the United States of America.

01:16:32.000 I think it was definitely the right thing for especially people who had been on the record supporting Donald Trump to as loudly oppose us getting into another war as possible.

01:16:41.000 I think it was the right thing.

01:16:42.000 And who knows if it had any effect on ultimately, you know, at least making there be a political price tag to him thinking about escalating the thing.

01:16:51.000 I think that, you know, when you say cutting $1.5 trillion, it's like, yeah, in Democrat math, I guess that's what the budget was doing whenever they say, you know, you're cutting the growth of the rate of increase of spending over the next decade.

01:17:03.000 But guys like me and you never looked at budget issues like that, Stephen, you know, and we're driving off a cliff in many, many different ways.

01:17:12.000 I agree with you.

01:17:13.000 And this is part of the reason why I voted for Donald Trump.

01:17:15.000 I agree with you.

01:17:16.000 I think the culture is in a much better place now.

01:17:19.000 And weirdly, I think the first time Donald Trump won, the culture actually swung more to the left.

01:17:25.000 I think kind of it was a very interesting dynamic.

01:17:27.000 I think under Joe Biden, the culture started swinging back to the right.

01:17:31.000 And I think with Trump winning, it really destroyed the corporate media in a very profound way.

01:17:37.000 And so I think in a lot of ways, we're in a healthier place as a society now for those reasons.

01:17:41.000 Kamala Harris could not win.

01:17:43.000 That was, and not just for policy reasons, but just because Kamala Harris being the president of the United States is a humiliation that could not be survived. 1.00

01:17:52.000 Yeah.

01:17:53.000 You know, like you just can't have that woman be president. 1.00

01:17:56.000 So I agree.

01:17:58.000 I think there's an area we can all agree on. 1.00

01:18:00.000 I think we all agree that Kamala Harris would be an embarrassing, drunken bitch leading this country. 1.00

01:18:04.000 And it probably wouldn't, when people used to say, oh, our standing is hurt because of Donald Trump. 0.99

01:18:09.000 I think it could be a whole lot worse with Kamala Harris.

01:18:12.000 I was arguing with my co-host, Rob Bernstein, about this the other day, where I was like, look, AOC is a lot smarter than Kamala Harris. 1.00

01:18:19.000 And he goes, she's so dumb. 1.00

01:18:20.000 And I go, yeah, I didn't say she wasn't. 1.00

01:18:22.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:18:22.000 She's a lot smarter than Kamala Harris.

01:18:25.000 Okay. 1.00

01:18:26.000 But she really, that's how dumb Kamala Harris is. 1.00

01:18:28.000 Or at least how dumb she publicly presents herself. 1.00

01:18:31.000 It's how dumb she is. 1.00

01:18:32.000 It's how dumb she is. 1.00

01:18:33.000 I mean, she's good at playing the power game on the other side. 1.00

01:18:36.000 Like she rose up the ranks for someone with such little discernible talent.

01:18:40.000 But the thing about it is, right, is that this is what I meant when I said that.

01:18:43.000 She's a marvel when you consider how talented she is. 0.94

01:18:46.000 Did you think about that?

01:18:46.000 We agree.

01:18:48.000 Honestly, it's very Chauncey Gardner.

01:18:50.000 You're like, how do we, and that's where you go, yeah, it seems like people are propped up, and I agree with you on that.

01:18:56.000 Well, okay, so, but I will say that, you know, and again, this is what I meant by this is the big split always in the duopoly in the two-party system, right?

01:19:04.000 Is that everybody goes like, well, you can't attack our guys because their guys are worse than our guys.

01:19:10.000 And there's a plausibility to that.

01:19:12.000 Like, I understand it can weaken your side when you're attacking them if you're trying to unify to beat the other side.

01:19:17.000 Sure.

01:19:18.000 But there's also a problem in not attacking your side and not criticizing it when they're going down the wrong path because then you lose all that energy.

01:19:27.000 Look, the reason why Donald Trump is president twice in one simple sentence is like drain the swamp.

01:19:34.000 It's the essence of Donald Trump's appeal was always, you know, that these are a bunch of criminals in D.C. And we're going to get to the bottom of that.

01:19:43.000 And I'm sorry, like, I don't see any even meaningful attempt to get to the bottom of that.

01:19:48.000 The director of national intelligence four months ago said she has proof that Obama committed treason and we're sending that over to the Justice Department.

01:19:57.000 Does anyone here really think that Obama's going to be tried and convicted for treason?

01:20:01.000 I don't buy it.

01:20:02.000 I don't buy it.

01:20:03.000 Not anymore than I think Schiff is going to be hauled out in cuffs.

01:20:05.000 No, they're not going to drain the swamp.

01:20:07.000 They're not going to do any of that.

01:20:09.000 And why is it not incumbent on us then to call that out?

01:20:12.000 I mean, hey, we got to do it right now.

01:20:14.000 If I can say, I think it is.

01:20:16.000 I think it is.

01:20:16.000 And I think I would argue that I've done it correctly on issues like H-1B visas on Epstein.

01:20:21.000 I mean, for crying out loud.

01:20:22.000 I don't know if you know this.

01:20:23.000 I tried to hang, we recreated Epstein's cell and did a live stream where I actively tried to hang myself and had an action, several gauges, and it was not possible.

01:20:31.000 We recreated it.

01:20:32.000 We recreated the timeline.

01:20:33.000 It was dressed up like evil Knivo. 0.99

01:20:35.000 I did not know that.

01:20:36.000 Yeah.

01:20:36.000 And I had a neck brace, so I was safe.

01:20:37.000 We had nurses on staff. 1.00

01:20:38.000 It's not possible.

01:20:40.000 It's been a pet cause of mine because we've done so much research.

01:20:44.000 And that was an absolute disaster.

01:20:46.000 I would say, and this would just be a difference.

01:20:49.000 I think that I've done it correctly.

01:20:51.000 And hopefully I've also done this correctly in presenting differences of opinions and not mischaracterizing you because I think there also is a rot in people going off the wall, using hyperbole.

01:21:02.000 I would categorize impeachment and execution and that, but I certainly would categorize under that.

01:21:07.000 And you are not guilty of this.

01:21:08.000 People saying, if you disagree with me, you're a shill for Israel.

01:21:12.000 Or on the other side, people saying, hey, if you think we should defund Israel as I do, that you're an anti-Semite.

01:21:19.000 And that's why I think we need to have these conversations.

01:21:21.000 I think there's, I would say, my opinion is there's a better way to criticize the administration while recognizing the good that they do and not really putting us in a position where we have to accept an alternative.

01:21:32.000 I think impeachment comes close to that.

01:21:33.000 Hey, can we, because I realize we've gone up, but I want to continue.

01:21:36.000 Can we just open the floor to anything that's on your mind here if we go can I just respond to that?

01:21:40.000 And then we could do whatever you want to.

01:21:43.000 Yeah, okay, let's do that.

01:21:44.000 But Tim Poole's going to be pissed because we haven't rated to him.

01:21:46.000 But you know what? 1.00

01:21:47.000 Fuck him. 1.00

01:21:49.000 Wait, what are we doing? 1.00

01:21:50.000 No, no, I said typically I'm supposed to end on the hour and send my audience to him and we go to premium.

01:21:54.000 And he'll be like, why are the numbers not going up?

01:21:56.000 But you know what?

01:21:57.000 Hey, he's doing pissing me off.

01:21:58.000 I'm doing his show tomorrow.

01:22:00.000 So I'll keep that even.

01:22:02.000 I'll hurt him today and do what I can to help him tomorrow.

01:22:04.000 All right.

01:22:05.000 Well, I just think that, I mean, look, I think I'm doing it the right way.

01:22:09.000 And I obviously, me and you would disagree on that because that's why you're doing it the way you're doing.

01:22:13.000 And that's why I'm doing it the way I'm doing.

01:22:14.000 But I would say, like, look, where I will really agree with you is that there's no question, right, that there is this knee-jerk reaction to like, if anybody's supporting Israel now to say $7,000, you're a shill. 0.54

01:22:27.000 And this is all kind of like low IQ stuff.

01:22:30.000 I don't know.

01:22:31.000 And then obviously there's the reaction to call everyone like a Jew hater or whatever, which is not true, especially for me.

01:22:38.000 I happen to be Jewish.

01:22:39.000 But regardless of that.

01:22:40.000 By the way, you're circumcised, right? 0.59

01:22:42.000 We had a bet before you came on air.

01:22:43.000 It's completely unrelated, but yeah.

01:22:45.000 Okay, so we have common ground there.

01:22:48.000 Good.

01:22:48.000 Good for you.

01:22:48.000 We are there.

01:22:49.000 There you go.

01:22:50.000 Although, not a big, not a big believer in it myself, but I wasn't able to make the choice.

01:22:54.000 Yeah.

01:22:56.000 Well, so I would say this.

01:22:58.000 I think that, yes, there's a lot of craziness on all sides.

01:23:01.000 But at the same time, I think that there are, like, if you're saying that you're also a non-interventionist and you also don't want to be getting involved in these wars and you also don't want to be funding all of these other governments.

01:23:12.000 Well, it does seem to me that, and again, I don't watch enough of your show to know this.

01:23:16.000 Like, maybe you're doing other stuff that I, and I just happen to see the stuff where you're being critical of me.

01:23:21.000 But, like, it seems to me like you're going out.

01:23:24.000 We now have this big divide where finally there's like a non-interventionist right wing in this country.

01:23:29.000 And there are these huge voices that are pushing in that direction.

01:23:32.000 And it seems to me like you've been kind of going after all those guys rather than like, why not go after the Mark Levins and the Ben Shapiros who are clearly itching to get America into even more entangled, the opposite of the policy you want? 0.86

01:23:45.000 I can answer that.

01:23:45.000 And then I do want to go to, I can answer that because you mentioned the falling out.

01:23:48.000 By the way, I never had it with Ben Shapiro.

01:23:50.000 I had it with Jeremy Boring.

01:23:52.000 I stand by it.

01:23:52.000 I think that I was right.

01:23:53.000 I think owning people's name, image, and likeness forevermore, including their channels, is a problem.

01:23:57.000 I think we've seen it play out.

01:23:58.000 I disagree with Ben Shapiro on a whole lot.

01:24:00.000 And the reason that I maintain a cordial relationship is so that I can disagree with him.

01:24:04.000 I don't know that there are many people who tell Ben, I don't think we should be funding any of it. 0.96

01:24:09.000 By the way, Jews can also be kind of annoying. 1.00

01:24:11.000 So I think there's some health in that. 0.99

01:24:14.000 I will say this.

01:24:15.000 I will say this.

01:24:16.000 Yeah, I know.

01:24:17.000 No, not yourself, actually.

01:24:18.000 There's enough gentle in there.

01:24:19.000 I will say that my attacking the left is about probably 20, 50 to 1, even on this very issue.

01:24:29.000 And like you said, you may not know this.

01:24:30.000 I was asked on air if the United States should strike Iran, actually.

01:24:34.000 Everyone here.

01:24:35.000 And I was the one.

01:24:35.000 I said, you know what?

01:24:36.000 No.

01:24:37.000 I said, and the reason not is not that they're not a threat.

01:24:39.000 I said, I know it comes to that at some point if they continue down this path.

01:24:42.000 I said, but I know that if it's done now, the optics will seem like we did it for Israel, which I don't believe.

01:24:48.000 This is where we disagree.

01:24:49.000 I don't believe is true, but I would rather it not happen now.

01:24:52.000 I just think that it's played out pretty well.

01:24:54.000 I'm glad that it's de-escalated, which I think we can agree on.

01:24:58.000 I think if you look at the numbers, I do think you punch right more often than I do.

01:25:03.000 Mine has been in response.

01:25:06.000 But I think we're in agreement in spirit that, yeah, we should be.

01:25:09.000 And I wouldn't just say going after the neocons.

01:25:11.000 I would say going after the left because Donald Trump is nowhere near, as we both agree, a neocon.

01:25:17.000 And I'm not satisfied with him as perfection, but I like him.

01:25:21.000 And I want to actually celebrate the wins.

01:25:24.000 Dave, I want to continue on premium here, so please don't go anywhere.

01:25:27.000 We'll just open it to whatever you want.

01:25:28.000 But tell people the best place to find you.

01:25:29.000 I know a funny podcast where you do a part of the problem.

01:25:33.000 Anything else any upcoming shows?

01:25:35.000 I am, I got, I think I have only one more for the rest of the year because I take December off every year.

01:25:40.000 But I believe I got Poughkeepsie, New York, coming up in November.

01:25:43.000 ComicDaveSmith.com.

01:25:44.000 Oh my gosh, Poughkeepsie is the worst.

01:25:46.000 I used to, when I took the train in from Montreal to New York, I had to stop in Poughkeepsie.

01:25:51.000 It was the only thing worse was Schenectady.

01:25:52.000 All right.

01:25:54.000 Those are the good comedy towns, though, where they got nothing to do but drink and laugh.

01:25:58.000 You ever do the comedy club in Watertown, New York, where you sleep above what's an old opera theater?

01:26:04.000 No, I've heard of that, but I've never done that one.

01:26:06.000 Oh my gosh.

01:26:06.000 I was there with Louis Ramey.

01:26:08.000 I didn't have a car and he left.

01:26:10.000 And I was just stuck above this opera house and the bar didn't open until six.

01:26:14.000 So I couldn't get food.

01:26:15.000 Anyway, we can talk about that more.

01:26:16.000 Dave Smith, I appreciate you being here.

01:26:17.000 Everyone who's not a member, click right there.

01:26:19.000 You get to continue.

01:26:19.000 The rest of you go to Tim Poole.

01:26:20.000 I'm sure he'll be mad, but he'll get over it.

Louder with Crowder - October 28, 2025

Dave Smith: Discussing Trump, Israel, & America First

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