Maria Del Russo joins Jemele to discuss the concept of male privilege and why it's a myth. She also gives examples of what male privilege means to her and how it affects her, and why she thinks male privilege is a myth in general.
00:00:00.000I'm giving you the example that traditional patriarchal mindsets affect you too.
00:00:06.000You should 100% get nine months off for if you decide to have a child.
00:00:12.000And let me say this, while we're getting personal, you should 100% if you date a man who wants nine months off, leave him.
00:00:20.000All right, so I'm very glad to have my next guest.
00:00:23.000First off, anyone who's going to be tweeting her, texting her, messaging her, I always want you guys to be respectful.
00:00:29.000We talk about this. Anyone who enters the arena, as it were, anyone who is willing to engage in the process of ideas with people across the aisle, I have a lot of respect for it, because it's really tough to get people on the show a lot of the time.
00:00:43.000So she has been tweeting me a couple of times over the last week and a half or so over the male privilege is a myth, change my mind segment.
00:00:52.000And you can follow her on Twitter at Maria underscore Del Russo.
00:01:43.000Maybe two weeks ago. I don't know. It was a while ago.
00:01:44.000It's irrelevant. We don't need to get into this information.
00:01:46.000But you tweeted me, the fact that you expect people to walk up to you and hand you an explanation because you asked for it instead of going online and researching it yourself is a pretty perfect example of male privilege.
00:01:58.000There are a couple of tweets, but let's start with that.
00:02:02.000I don't know that I necessarily agree with the premise or understand it, but let me hear it.
00:02:08.000Well, I just want to apologize for that in advance because a lot of your followers did tweet me after the fact I didn't really know much about you or that this was a thing that existed beforehand.
00:02:18.000I did not know that the change my mind segment was actually a thing.
00:02:24.000But before we jump into all of this, I'm hoping that we can kind of start it out just as kind of like to frame off our discussion to kind of define what privilege is, because I think that that's where a lot of this tension comes from, right?
00:02:36.000So there are two definitions that I want to share with you.
00:02:39.000So the first one is from like good old Webster's dictionary and privilege as defined by that is a special right advantage or immunity granted or available to only a particular group or person.
00:02:51.000If you talk about privilege in sociology that examines the social, economic, and political advantages given to a group on the basis of sex, race, finances, All that type of thing.
00:03:07.000Okay, pause really quickly just so I can make sure that I'm understanding.
00:03:10.000And so we're talking about systemic privilege, systemic discrimination versus sociological cultural.
00:03:15.000And what you were tweeting me were examples, I guess you would probably argue sociological examples of male privilege.
00:03:22.000Well, they're societal examples of male privilege, because sociology is kind of the study of how privilege influences these different systems.
00:03:31.000So, society is a system, as is economics is a system, as is politics is a system.
00:03:37.000So, the examples that I were sending you were examples of social privileges that men have.
00:03:43.000Okay. But when we talk about privilege from the top down- Privileges that, me specifically, Well, I guess this would apply to all males, because this is how we made contact.
00:03:52.000So I do want to, I appreciate your apology on the change my mind thing.
00:03:56.000That's a segment we've been doing for a while.
00:03:57.000And I know you mentioned that you got some threats from people and some terrible comments, which, listen, I mean, I won't apologize for them because I didn't make them, but I'm sorry you had to deal with that.
00:04:06.000Yeah, thank you. That's never my intention, ever.
00:04:09.000And I know you asked me, you know, as a male, if I'd gotten similar threats from followers, if I'd been asked that I would be raped for expressing it.
00:04:18.000I'm sure now that you've done a little more research on who I am, that you're probably aware this is not a privilege I enjoy.
00:04:30.000But the reason why I wanted to define privilege to you is that a lot of people consider privilege, when we talk about male privilege, they think of it more as like an adjective, when in reality it's actually a noun.
00:04:55.000I know that one of the jokes you like to make is, there's no secret patriarchy meeting coming together and being like, here's how we're going to oppress women.
00:05:02.000Like, sure, men's rights groups exist in this country, and they may feel that way, but on the whole, this is not what this is, right?
00:05:09.000Right. What we're talking about when we talk about male privilege is the fact that historically men have been in positions of power and because they have been in these positions of power they tend to frame the way Can I come in here real quick?
00:06:29.000Since you brought up people in power, these people in power, right, they've created the structures that be.
00:06:33.000Right now, the structures that be exist in 2018.
00:06:37.000Any rights or advantages, privileges afforded to men not officially afforded to women in 2018?
00:06:43.000Well, what we are arguing here is that you guys are benefiting from a system where you guys were initially the only people in power, right?
00:06:51.000You guys have like a centuries-long head start on us.
00:06:55.000And because of that, these things don't change immediately.
00:07:14.000But since men have been in power for longer than women have had the opportunity to be in power, you guys have a little bit of a head start on us.
00:07:23.000And we all know that it's very difficult.
00:07:26.000To change people's minds about something, right?
00:07:29.000Sure. Okay. Before we move on, I just want to make sure that we would both agree on the premise, no rights not afforded.
00:07:34.000Sure. On paper, there are no rights that a man has over...
00:07:40.000Okay. I just wanted to clarify because you mentioned government systems of power, and so people will hear that and right away...
00:07:44.000And I do feel that a lot of the left do that kind of...
00:07:46.000I'm not saying you're doing that, but as a bait and switch, like, well, the systems of power that be...
00:07:50.000And so people go, oh, wait, hold on a second.
00:07:52.000What rights out there are unequally distributed?
00:08:59.000So systemically, yes, for example, women didn't have the right to vote until men passed laws that they could.
00:09:05.000Sure. I want to make sure we compartmentalize those because we've now moved on to societally.
00:09:10.000Because even if you go back then, you look at the temperance movement, you look at the influence that women had in politics, and you look at prohibition, they had every bit as much of influence and power.
00:09:19.000They just weren't necessarily in official positions of government.
00:09:21.000So now we're kind of blurring those systemic and societal...
00:09:25.000But see, those lines, those are not hard-defined lines, because one hand washes the other when it comes to this type of thing.
00:09:32.000When it comes to privilege, it's all kind of interconnected, because patriarchy is also defined as a system of society in which the father or eldest male is head of the family, and you could trace dissent through the male line, right?
00:09:47.000So it's all, whether it's society, whether it's government, men are in charge.
00:09:52.000So today, again, we're going into the systems of power and men who are in power today, societally.
00:10:01.000Privilege advantages. We moved on from rights.
00:10:03.000Societally, how do you make the argument?
00:10:05.000You know, like I said, this is a change my mind effectively right now.
00:10:09.000The idea that we're taught in schools by, you know, gender studies professors, by far-left progressive feminists, this idea of privilege.
00:10:16.000It's the word they use. You know, I know everyone has different words, but it's a word that's used when I was in college when we had to read Naomi Wolf.
00:10:23.000Examples of that today, societally, I would love to see some concrete examples to see if we would agree or disagree.
00:10:30.000Yeah, I mean, and I'm gonna keep pushing on this, it's like the fact that men have been the ones empowered, they are the ones who are able to dictate what is truly like, I'm sorry, I'm losing my train of thought right now because I understand what you're saying, but what I'm trying to explain to you is that These power positions influence our society today because...
00:11:24.000Patriarchy, you will hear a lot of feminists say that these patriarchal systems are also negative for men as well.
00:11:32.000We're not just saying we need to dismantle the patriarchy just because it's bad for women.
00:11:36.000It's bad for men, too, for all of the reasons that you just talked about.
00:11:42.000Since you guys have had the benefit of being in power for centuries, that's the norm.
00:11:47.000You and I know that it is very, very difficult to change the idea of what is normal.
00:11:55.000Your producer and I were joking before I came on about the fact that I have to have two different headphones, one for my computer and one for my iPhone, because when Apple changed their iPhone jack and got rid of it, people went nuts.
00:12:52.000And that's where I think, I think where we can come to our disagreement, maybe later on we'll continue along this path, is the solution.
00:12:59.000See, I think that's a horrible answer.
00:13:00.000I mean, I'm sure you can imagine why I would think that's the worst answer possible.
00:13:04.000Sure, and I happen to agree with you, but the fact that all men is normal and all female is abnormal is the crux of what I'm talking about.
00:13:13.000No, but that's not why. That's not why I think it's bad.
00:13:15.000I think it's bad because I am all about, of course we support on this program, equal opportunity.
00:13:22.000Ginsburg is talking about there's equal outcome.
00:14:53.000It's been the norm for historically. I would not agree.
00:14:57.000I would not agree that all male, all now, 100% is the norm.
00:15:00.000You had females in the Republican primary and the Democratic national candidate was a female.
00:15:05.000I don't agree that it's 100% the norm.
00:15:07.000I don't agree. I believe that it's actually probably disproportionately not the norm.
00:15:13.000If you look at the amount of women who go into certain fields, and then you look at how many of them make it to the top, whether it's stand-up comedy or the field of sciences, I don't agree that in 2018 it's the norm to see 100% men.
00:15:24.000I think it's the norm now to try and manipulate the outcomes that there are more women.
00:16:13.000I don't agree with the premise that it has been the norm for a long time, or certainly today, for you to expect a male doctor.
00:16:19.000I think you're seeing everything through the prism of gender here, and not through the prism of qualifications.
00:16:25.000I don't believe that most people go, if a woman walks into their office when they're on that deli paper saying, whoa, hold on a second, you have breasts?
00:17:33.000I think that traditionally women have not been...
00:17:36.000Pushed into or have not been motivated or have not even really been told that they can achieve Situations like this because we and we can get into sexism with this now women who enter Careers like politics who enter careers like anything where there's a high profile tend to be Put through, like, tend to be scrutinized a lot more than men.
00:18:04.000I think that's your view. And that's probably...
00:19:48.000So... So, your Change My Mind segment, to me, was an example of setting up this typical...
00:19:59.000Privileged patriarchal system that we have where a man is in power and it's up to me as a constituent to change your mind because you already have an opinion on it, right?
00:20:08.000So you were kind of putting together like a mini version of what women feel like we have to do.
00:20:16.000Since women and people of color, anyone who is a minority in this country, And who is not represented has to change the mind or, you know, advocate for themselves because they are not represented themselves.
00:20:34.000And you would now acknowledge that your premise was incorrect.
00:20:39.000Yes. Well, I mean, I still think that that setup is an imperfect setup if you will take a little constructive criticism.
00:20:50.000And also a big reason, by the way, that it was set up that way is because of females repeatedly violently assaulting me, I'm sure, if you've seen previous videos.
00:20:57.000But how do you think it should be set up so that it would not mirror a quote-unquote sort of microcosm of a patriarchal system?
00:21:04.000The change my mind positioning is what really, it's more of like, I have this opinion, it is your responsibility to change my mind, instead of being like, hey, let's enter into a discussion like this.
00:21:16.000You almost said the word debate, admit it, and then you had to catch yourself.
00:21:19.000So let me explain to you why, and maybe this will be illuminating.
00:21:24.000The Change My Mind segments, by the way, are pretty popular.
00:21:27.000It's the complete opposite of cable news.
00:21:31.000So we just recently had one on Pro Gun Change My Mind.
00:21:33.000Yeah, I saw that one. And the reason for this is, and most of the time they're incredibly civil.
00:21:37.000Ironically enough, the only time we've ever had people violently assault or scream have been feminists on campus.
00:21:43.000They haven't been the best ambassadors.
00:21:45.000So the purpose for this, and by the way, understand that my view is the unpopular view of I'm going into a campus where the vast majority of people would agree with your presuppositions and not mine.
00:21:58.000And so I'm going into actually not only neutral territory, but adversarial territory, presenting a differing point of view and allowing anyone Male, female, black, white.
00:22:10.000Take your pick. Your guess is as good as mine.
00:22:12.000Whatever gender walks along down the trail.
00:22:16.000The onus is on them to present to me why I'm wrong because I am taking a more contrarian view than what's taught in schools because everything you've just said I learned in women's studies in college.
00:22:26.000So the reason why I took issue with it because it was a male privilege thing is because as a male, You were saying, I am male, and I think that male privilege is a myth, changed my mind.
00:22:38.000So you're asking me as a female to validate my experience.
00:22:43.000No, I'm asking you as a critical thinker.
00:22:46.000Okay, well, the way it came across to me, and I know a lot of the people that I follow on Twitter, is that you were asking me to validate my experiences within male privilege, which is why I think that you got such a harsh reaction to it from Twitter fans.
00:23:29.000And I think the reason you're seeing more and more young women not identify as feminists is because they feel increasingly disconnected.
00:23:36.000Someone looks at a table where they see someone sit down for hours and they're willing to have a cup of coffee and a conversation with anyone, and they see only the feminists saying, that's offensive for one, two, three reasons, or that's an example of patriarchy for XYZ. Nobody outside of Twitter feminists, no one in real life, Agrees with that.
00:24:54.000Okay, from Twitter. I think a lot of, you know, a lot of blogs, a lot of websites as well.
00:24:59.000There's a very, there's a huge disconnect between the feminist movement, the media who supports them, and mainstream Americans, and I mean left or right.
00:25:07.000And so I would just like to, before we move on, I think I'd like to get some specifics if we can.
00:25:12.000Would it stand to reason that, you know, your reaction was to say, hey, the fact that you set up here is an example of male privilege.
00:25:20.000Have you ever gotten threats? And the fact that you were incorrect, because the reason I set that up was security, getting permits.
00:25:30.000Yes, I've had feminists walk up and take a swing at me.
00:25:33.000So the fact that you saw through that lens and were so incorrect...
00:25:39.000I would like you to move through this conversation accepting the possibility that maybe you are just as wrong on your other fundamental premises.
00:25:46.000I believe you are but I certainly want you to present them.
00:25:50.000Sure. I mean, and I'm going through this hoping that you may understand that you may be incorrect on some of your fundamental premises.
00:25:59.000I very well could. I mean, I think that that's what a discussion is.
00:26:02.000I think that you have to open yourself up to a discussion like that.
00:26:05.000I don't think that I need to, I should be the only person moving through this conversation.
00:26:17.000I certainly do not disagree with the idea that there are advantages that men enjoy in society.
00:26:22.000I certainly do not disagree with that.
00:26:24.000Just as there are... Just a litany of examples of advantages that women enjoy.
00:26:29.000I would actually posit that women enjoy far more advantages in 2018.
00:26:34.000Well, I feel like that's and that's where the interesting parts of this discussion is going to come down.
00:26:39.000And I'm really, I'm actually interested in getting and talking to you about that type of thing.
00:26:43.000Because I think that the things that you see as...
00:26:47.000Female advantages are not necessarily so.
00:26:51.000And I also just want to say before we get into all of that, that in discussing male privilege, any logical human who talks about privilege and who talks about why privilege should be We'll never say that people who experience privilege live perfect, cushy lives. People who experience privilege suffer all the time.
00:27:15.000I'm not saying that because men have privilege, they don't suffer.
00:27:18.000Like, men are more likely, I think the statistic is from the Department of Why not?
00:27:39.000Because women aren't gaining an advantage because you are getting killed, experiencing violent crimes at higher rates.
00:27:48.000When we talk about privilege, it's a way that you have an advantage that women have a disadvantage on.
00:27:54.000So you don't believe, and that's not the only example, I don't want to hinge on that, but you don't believe that the fact that criminals select primarily male targets for violent assaults, you don't believe that that is advantageous for women.
00:28:08.000Well, alright, so we have to break that statistic down then, because I believe, I don't have the statistic in front of me, I believe that the statistic is men are more likely to be murder victims.
00:28:24.000By strangers. I believe that that's what the statistic is.
00:28:27.000I have to look it up. They're more likely to be the victim of violent crime.
00:28:29.000And by the way, also just as likely, if not more, depending on the statistic of being sexually assaulted.
00:28:37.000I mean, we can go down individually, but yes, all of them.
00:28:39.000Yeah, but so, and you said, wait, what was the last part of the statistic?
00:28:48.000And also, as likely or more likely to be sexually assaulted in their lifetime.
00:28:52.000Alright, but I think that the statistic that I'm looking at, and again, we can compare statistics all day, is that women are actually more likely to be victims of sexual violence or domestic violence.
00:29:05.000But they're not though, and they're not when you account for the amount of sexual assault that goes on in prisons.
00:29:37.000Like, that does not... That's not an example of female privilege, that we're murdered less, because it's not an advantage of ours.
00:29:47.000The statistic that people like to bring up a lot when discussing male privilege is the pay gap, which I know is something that a lot of conservatives claim is not a true thing.
00:30:00.000But it was the Department of Labor, I believe here.
00:30:53.000Why have virtually all reputable economists said that it's a myth?
00:30:59.000Because you just accounted for variables, very intelligently, that women of color, when you add different variables, you know, that pay gap may be 68%.
00:31:20.000See, that stat that you're talking about simply takes the average income of full-time working women versus men.
00:31:26.000Now, when you take into account not only industry, but more specifically job, more specifically hours worked, travel, how long they've been in that position, that gap disappears.
00:31:38.000As a matter of fact, there are new studies coming out, particularly in science and tech, engineering and STEM, where women make more.
00:31:45.000Vastly higher rates because women choose not to go into those fields.
00:31:49.000So we now have provided incentives for them to where they actually make as much as men.
00:31:53.000So you can't use stats one way and say, well, and then that gap widens if they're black.
00:31:57.000And then that gap widens if they're, well, hold on a second.
00:31:59.000That gap narrows if they're both in the medical field.
00:32:02.000That gap is now non-existent if the female and male are both doctors working the same hours in the same state.
00:32:08.000There is no gap. Sure, but there are also statistics that show that women are promoted less because employers are afraid that they're going to get pregnant and that they're not going to stick around for all that often.
00:32:24.000They're not given raises at the same pace that men tend to be.
00:32:30.000Do women get pregnant more often than men?
00:32:33.000Yeah, but that's not something that should be held against us because it cuts both ways.
00:34:18.000And that double standard does not exist for men.
00:34:21.000Do you think that's exclusive to women?
00:34:22.000You think it's exclusive of women that people hate their bosses?
00:34:25.000No, I don't think it's exclusive to women.
00:34:27.000And again, a statistical likelihood, you talked about this, banshees.
00:34:32.000Yeah, I think that's actually, I think that's a pretty funny example.
00:34:34.000I'd probably describe a lot of bosses who I had, including some at Fox News, as banshees, men or women, screeching banshees, not big fans of them.
00:34:41.000But the point is, you just said damned if you do, damned if you don't.
00:34:56.000And I know you can point to examples like Sweden and places where men do have paternity leave and they don't contribute anything other than occasionally a new form of birth control every century.
00:35:03.000But we're talking about here in the United States of America.
00:35:05.000I certainly would not consider that patriarchy.
00:35:07.000And I believe that you should have paternity leave.
00:35:08.000I think that you 100%, if you and your wife decide to have children, you should have paternity leave.
00:35:14.000Go for it. Well, I guess it's a good thing that the white men in power voted for maternity leave and nine months off and nothing for us.
00:36:03.000But let me, I certainly, I think you went to the worst example right off the bat, and I think you'll see that most people don't agree with you on that.
00:36:10.000So let's go down the list to other examples.
00:36:12.000Because certainly I think you would concede, we would both agree, there is an economic argument to be made there as to why we're just talking bottom line dollars and cents with pregnancy.
00:36:21.000That's not indicative of, period, overall females in the workforce versus men.
00:36:26.000So let's remove pregnancy from the table and move on down to advantages that you believe are afforded to men, not to women.
00:37:52.000Yeah. So probably just because they're looking at what gets under your skin.
00:38:15.000When, you know, an angry online jihadi says that he's going to rape me, I get a chuckle, I make sure he's not doxing me, and then I move along, you know, down the trail.
00:38:39.000Well, you, if you, okay, so you're talking, if you remove the prison system, because that is a specific, that is a culture that is not representative of the culture at large.
00:38:53.000It's representative of matriarchy, I'll tell you that, because men are far more likely to be incarcerated and for longer times for the same crimes as women.
00:38:59.000So I think it's pivotal that we touch on that at some point in this conversation.
00:39:01.000We should touch on that at some point, but what I'm saying is that if you remove that, women are more likely to experience sexual violence than men.
00:39:09.000Okay? Can you concede that point to me if we remove prisons?
00:39:15.000Yes. I don't think you should, because I think we include the prison system, for example, and I think I've heard you discuss this point or tweet about it, that black men are five times as likely to be incarcerated.
00:39:25.000Yes! Maybe, 100%. And it's a terrible, terrible thing.
00:39:28.000Well, it's like the pay gap stat, right?
00:39:29.000So you use that, but you don't account for...
00:39:31.000Black men are that amount more likely to commit crimes than men.
00:39:34.000Now, that being said, let's go the other way.
00:39:36.000Men are more likely to get longer sentences and more likely to be punished and sent to prison for the exact same crime as women.
00:40:55.000But again, you're cherry-picking data, and you do this a lot.
00:40:58.000You're not acknowledging that men were also publicly humiliated, flogged, beaten, dragged through the streets if they so much as laid a hand on their wife.
00:41:05.000Never so if a wife takes a swat at a husband.
00:41:08.000So when we're talking societally, there have been different standards applied, of course, to both men and women.
00:41:14.000But both enjoy different advantages and disadvantages.
00:41:17.000I'm certainly not seeing this as an example of today, the society at large, favoring men.
00:41:23.000I really would say in 2018, it's the opposite.
00:41:26.000If you and I, for example, if you and I go into the field of science and technology, okay?
00:41:30.000If you and I have the exact same scores, if you and I went to the exact same school, if you and I are just as qualified, you're getting the spot, not me.
00:42:14.000And the problem with it, and this is something that feminists use a lot, kind of like the pay gap.
00:42:19.000They use a stat that they know really isn't accurate, and they know it's not something that would hold water when it comes to the court of arguments.
00:43:04.000Now, when it comes to this study, if I'm not mistaken, I believe it was a 2012 study that used a very small sample size, and it looked at people specifically in entry-level jobs.
00:43:14.000Here's the thing. Feminists reached back to 2012 to take that study.
00:43:18.000But we have other studies, and we have meta-analyses.
00:43:21.000There was a 2015 study that looked at the same thing.
00:43:23.000I believe it used about 800-something applicants.
00:43:26.000And when it actually took into account people in different jobs, people, you know, becoming tenured professors, you know, the salary of a biology professor, it actually found that at higher levels of education, women in the STEM fields were much more likely to be accepted with the same parameters.
00:44:59.000Alright, so if you still want to talk about jobs, and you will probably tell me that this is not, it does not hold water because it's anecdotal.
00:45:07.000There have been multiple times that trans men have discussed their experiences with privilege once they have transitioned.
00:45:18.000So when they were presenting as female to when they were presenting as male.
00:45:23.000So once they started presenting as male, they would start Experiencing privilege in their day-to-day lives here.
00:45:31.000A couple of pieces of privilege that they have experienced.
00:47:55.000Please explain your views on transgenderism.
00:47:59.000Meaning? If gender is a social construct, how can one be transgender?
00:48:07.000I don't believe that there are many biological differences between men and women either, so I don't really understand what you're saying here.
00:48:14.000And what's the point to being transgender?
00:48:16.000We're talking about because they want to go through biological transitions, talking about hormones, sex change operations.
00:48:22.000If gender is a social construct, This idea of transgenderism, not transsexualism, you use the word transgender, would have to mean that a male is born into the wrong body, the wrong gender, the wrong brain.
00:48:36.000And a female is born into a male body.
00:48:41.000So if gender is a social construct, how can one be transgender?
00:48:45.000Or how could you possibly support someone trying to conform to the gender constructs as created by society?
00:48:51.000I don't necessarily believe that they are born into the wrong body.
00:48:54.000I think that they are assigned the wrong body at birth.
00:48:57.000So I think that, you know, a doctor births a baby and he sees that it has a penis.
00:49:10.000So they are assigned that gender at birth.
00:49:14.000So transgenderism is, you know, I don't understand how you can go to transgenderism and talk about advantages when you say that gender is a social construct.
00:49:32.000Transgenderism fails to hold up if gender is a social construct.
00:49:37.000It has to. You can't take a biological hammer to a societal nail.
00:49:44.000It doesn't make any sense. Logically, it doesn't make any sense.
00:49:47.000You can't be born into the wrong gender if gender is a social construct.
00:49:49.000And that's one thing that I find incredibly ironic where women talk about, feminists talk about, we're forced to live up to these expectations.
00:49:55.000We're forced to look a certain way, talk a certain way, act a certain way.
00:49:58.000And then a man says, I've always felt like I wanted to look, talk, and act that certain way.
00:50:01.000Really? You look like a real-life Barbie doll because you've had some estrogen replacement therapy.
00:50:05.000Come on over. We'll accept you as one of our own.
00:50:07.000Transgender men to women are basically pretending to be Every negative stereotype you've talked about presented for women societally.
00:50:18.000I actually can't believe that we're having this conversation now because it is completely bonkers what you are trying to argue with me right now.
00:50:26.000To say that a person who was assigned the wrong gender at birth and who had a lifetime of gender biases pushed upon them, where they had to be hyper-masculine because they were assigned male at birth, That they had to dress a certain way when they didn't feel like that was the way that they wanted to dress.
00:51:40.000What do you identify with when it comes to being female?
00:51:43.000Is it biology? No, I don't believe, and we can go into this if you really want to, I don't believe that there are many biological differences between men and women.
00:52:24.000We don't have a ton of time because we do have another guest to pre-tape, actually, from the high school in Florida where the shooting took place.
00:52:39.000Let me ask you this. It seems to me like, like you said, we can talk about that with a transgender person.
00:52:44.000I don't think we'll make a ton of progress there, but I really do appreciate you taking the time to be here.
00:52:50.000I would put forth these examples certainly in 2018, and I think if our goal is to help People, male or female, it would behoove us all to be honest.
00:53:03.000And I think that you have a lot of young men and I think feminists don't really understand how out of touch they are with a lot of young men as well as young women.
00:53:10.000When you look at young men, they go, hold on a second, we make up 90 something percent of workplace deaths.
00:53:15.000We're three something times more likely to commit suicide.
00:53:19.000We obviously are more likely to be sexually assaulted.
00:53:22.000We're five times more likely to be incarcerated.
00:53:24.000We're more likely to be incarcerated for the same crime.
00:53:26.000We are dominated by women at every aspect of education, from kindergarten through college, outside of SAT scores.
00:54:08.000I really do believe in treating women respectfully.
00:54:10.000And I do see a lot of young sort of men's rights activists going so far the other way now where they feel as though they've been so disrespected and their voices haven't been heard that they respond disrespectfully.
00:54:22.000And I don't think that's productive for anyone.
00:54:24.000And so I think truth is important in this discussion above all else.
00:54:29.000All I want to say is that when people are talking about privilege, we're not trying to say that people are actively acting in a way that...
00:54:41.000Like, men are acting in a way that makes...
00:54:43.000That they believe that they deserve more.
00:54:47.000The majority of men are just behaving in a system that tends to...
00:54:56.000And you don't agree with this, pat them on the back more than they pat women on the back.
00:55:00.000And when we say check your privilege, all we're trying to say is acknowledge us, acknowledge our experiences.
00:55:08.000You know, I know that you don't like anecdotes, but listen to women, listen to what happens to them, and then maybe say, hey, you know what?
00:55:16.000I don't really want to live in a world where I have to worry about my girlfriend getting raped when she walks home or that she has to worry about it.
00:55:24.000And for the record, I am happy when a man holds the door open for me and I will happily hold the door open for a man as well.