Louder with Crowder - Deport All Illegals | Change My Mind

00:00:57.000 Well, what I mean is if you ask me my opinion, and then I answer and you go, that's interesting.

00:01:01.000 That sounds possessive, or that sounds like a significant amount of money.

00:01:04.000 Well, yes, I think that to the ordinary person, identifying your lady as my lady would sound possessive.

00:01:09.000 But maybe that's a cultural norm that I'm not accustomed to.

00:01:14.000 Sure, I'm sure you're not.

00:01:15.000 But is that relevant to the point and the answer?

00:01:17.000 Because you interrupted.

00:01:18.000 You interrupted to say that offends me rather than listening.

00:01:21.000 So do you not listen to people who come in and seek your social work the same way?

00:01:24.000 No, I promise I do.

00:01:26.000 Just not here.

00:01:27.000 I came here to have a productive conversation, and usually when I encounter someone in my field, they are also working to have a productive conversation.

00:01:34.000 But the way that you throw in the little tidbits that are demeaning, the way you have very circular argument and you throw stats, that's what makes me a little apprehensive to continue speaking with you.

00:01:45.000 Oklahoma University, home of the Sooners and the location for the latest installment of Change My Mind, the series where we reason through our positions on controversial topics, which today is Deport All Illegals. 0.96

00:02:01.000 That's right, all, and as you can imagine, it inspired some inspired acts.

00:02:11.000 Of course, none of them had any intention of sitting down and, you know, talking.

00:02:19.000 It's much easier to yell racist and scurry off.

00:02:23.000 Of course, they didn't necessarily represent the majority.

00:02:26.000 There were plenty of students who did want to sit down for some face-to-face time.

00:02:31.000 So many, in fact, that we couldn't begin to get to all of them.

00:02:34.000 Plenty of them were genuinely productive conversations.

00:02:37.000 Others were not.

00:02:41.000 My mom is French Canadian.

00:02:42.000 My woman is Latina. 1.00

00:02:44.000 Your woman.

00:02:45.000 My woman, my lady, my missus.

00:02:48.000 And, you know, let me know in the comments, which kind of conversation do you prefer watching in this series?

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00:03:02.000 Now on with Deport All Illegal.

00:03:06.000 Change my mind.

00:03:11.000 I don't fight.

00:03:12.000 If you don't mind moving a little, you can face forward, but I got to hold the mic up because we've had people try and run off with the mic too, so I got to hold it.

00:03:18.000 What's your name, by the way?

00:03:19.000 My name is Savannah Wallace.

00:03:20.000 Savannah, nice to meet you, Savannah.

00:03:21.000 Let me ask you, how familiar are you, if at all, with kind of this installment, this series?

00:03:27.000 Not at all, actually.

00:03:29.000 I didn't know that you would be here today until I saw the signs around campus.

00:03:33.000 And then, yeah, I think one of my friends Googled you and found out that you were 38, but that's it.

00:03:39.000 Oh, okay.

00:03:39.000 Well, at least I got it right because I also say I own a waterfront Dallas Ocean Dallas waterfront property.

00:03:46.000 That doesn't even make sense.

00:03:47.000 Yeah, it's not possible.

00:03:48.000 So let me explain to you kind of just so we're not talking past each other.

00:03:51.000 Let me first tell you kind of what it's not.

00:03:53.000 It's not gotcha, scoring points, dunking clips, which I know we see a lot online.

00:03:59.000 This was actually created about a decade ago to be sort of the anti-cable news, where people can actually have conversations that you don't see in media, where hopefully they're done in good faith, and it's, of course, used in its entire context.

00:04:12.000 We never edit it out of context.

00:04:13.000 So, obviously, however, you want to have the conversation, that's up to you.

00:04:17.000 But I just want you to know where I'm coming from.

00:04:18.000 Yeah, it's fine.

00:04:19.000 And the topic.

00:04:20.000 I'm going to super a constructive conversation.

00:04:22.000 I don't think that I can change your mind, and I don't think that you can change my mind, although I'd like to see you try.

00:04:28.000 Well, you're sitting down to change my mind, but we'll see.

00:04:28.000 That's fair.

00:04:32.000 Sometimes people are surprised.

00:04:33.000 So today's conversation, yep.

00:04:35.000 Wholesale, I support deporting all illegal aliens in this country, certainly in 2025. 1.00

00:04:40.000 I think it's imperative for a multitude of reasons.

00:04:42.000 And if you disagree, you're more than welcome to change my mind, Savannah.

00:04:45.000 Okay, well, how do you feel about the ways that current deportations are being handled across the country?

00:04:51.000 Support it.

00:04:52.000 You support, like, the racial profiling and possibly the arrest of U.S. citizens?

00:04:58.000 So I don't know of a single U.S. citizen who's been deported.

00:05:02.000 No, I didn't say deported.

00:05:04.000 I said being detained because our citizenship is being questioned.

00:05:07.000 Well, let me ask you this.

00:05:09.000 If someone matches the profile, for example, of a hit and run and you're detained and questioned and they find out it's not you, is that a violation of your rights?

00:05:17.000 No, but the deportations that are happening across the country are going a little more deeper than that.

00:05:24.000 Unfortunately, that seemed to be a very surface-level example.

00:05:27.000 Sure, I understand why you would say that.

00:05:29.000 And if that was the only way we're deporting people, sure, I don't have a problem with it. 0.99

00:05:33.000 But it's not.

00:05:34.000 So let me ask you, are you against all of the methods of deporting people right now?

00:05:40.000 Like, how do you think we should do it?

00:05:42.000 Well, that's actually the question I have for you, considering that you're hosting this event.

00:05:45.000 How do you think that deportations across the country should be handled?

00:05:49.000 Because when I think of deportations, I'm thinking of the mass roundups that have been happening and then the detainment.

00:05:59.000 I forget what it's called, alligator alcatraz or something that was in Florida.

00:06:03.000 Yeah, alligator alcatraz.

00:06:04.000 Yeah, so that's what I think.

00:06:05.000 So I was just wondering how you think that the deportation should be handled.

00:06:08.000 Yeah, alligator Alcatraz was for some of the worst offenders, violent offenders.

00:06:12.000 Before we get to that, do you believe that we should deport illegal aliens?

00:06:12.000 Let me ask you this.

00:06:18.000 I think it's a very situational occurrence.

00:06:21.000 I find myself disagreeing with the mass deportations that are happening, which is why I wanted to come here today and ask you what your definition of illegal is and who fits that crisis.

00:06:30.000 Someone who's come to this country illegally. 0.98

00:06:32.000 Anyone.

00:06:34.000 So anyone who doesn't have paperwork.

00:06:37.000 Yeah, anyone who is in this country illegally, who committed the crime, the misdemeanor of coming to this country illegally or visa overstays, which make up a percentage of that.

00:06:45.000 Yeah, I think it's pretty clear.

00:06:46.000 I don't think that that's one of those scenarios where it's gray.

00:06:48.000 You're either a legal citizen or you're not.

00:06:50.000 So I support deporting all illegal aliens at this point. 0.97

00:06:54.000 Which ones would you support deporting?

00:06:57.000 I guess would be my question to you.

00:06:59.000 And then how should we do that?

00:07:02.000 Well, the question really comes back to how we're, how we go about deporting necessarily.

00:07:09.000 So I think, because I mean, ultimately there has to be a solution.

00:07:13.000 There's a solution for everything, especially in politics and things like that.

00:07:17.000 Sometimes.

00:07:18.000 I would like to say so.

00:07:19.000 I would like to say that there would ultimately be a solution here.

00:07:22.000 Yeah, but do you mean a solution that you're okay with?

00:07:25.000 Or do you mean it?

00:07:26.000 Because sometimes the solution is not a pretty one.

00:07:28.000 Well, I was raised by Southern people.

00:07:31.000 So we think that, what's it called?

00:07:35.000 You know that you've come to a good conclusion when both parties feel like they're being screwed over.

00:07:39.000 Yeah, compromises when no one's happy, something like that.

00:07:41.000 That's how we say it in the Northeast, but same thing, yeah.

00:07:43.000 You're much more polite in the South.

00:07:43.000 Yes.

00:07:45.000 I was raised by French Canadians, horrible, horrible people. 1.00

00:07:48.000 But same sentiment. 0.99

00:07:50.000 It's interesting that you say that you were raised by French Canadians.

00:07:52.000 And I mean, does that also interesting to think that you're raised by French Canadians, yet you still support all deporting all illegal. 0.99

00:08:04.000 Why is that interesting?

00:08:06.000 Because you would think that if you're being raised by someone who isn't from this country, maybe you would have a more open mindset.

00:08:13.000 Well, I think I have a very open mindset.

00:08:15.000 I was born in Detroit.

00:08:16.000 My dad's American.

00:08:18.000 My mom is French Canadian.

00:08:20.000 She now lives in the States.

00:08:22.000 It's gone through the process.

00:08:22.000 She's very proud.

00:08:24.000 Loves America, speaks the language, pays taxes, contributes.

00:08:29.000 My woman is Latina. 1.00

00:08:31.000 Your woman? 0.99

00:08:32.000 My woman, my lady, my missus.

00:08:34.000 She belongs to you.

00:08:35.000 Yeah, she likes it.

00:08:35.000 I don't know if anybody is a Latina woman.

00:08:37.000 They love a little bit of possessiveness, but I say it as a term of endearment.

00:08:40.000 She went through the naturalization process.

00:08:42.000 I fell in love with her when I saw a picture of her with her, she was actually going through the process of pictureing for the Statue of Liberty and a MAGA flag that she had.

00:08:53.000 And both of them actually are far more aggressive than I am in deporting illegal aliens because they appreciate the citizenship. 0.67

00:08:59.000 They appreciate being a part of this great country.

00:09:01.000 So I don't really think that that's inconsistent.

00:09:03.000 As a matter of fact, I think it's the rule, not the exception.

00:09:06.000 But going back to the question, why, or sorry, who would you deport then?

00:09:12.000 Who would you deem acceptable?

00:09:14.000 What's your term as far as, I guess if you disagree with the legal definition of an illegal alien, and then how would we do it?

00:09:21.000 Unfortunately, you've just asked me like three questions.

00:09:23.000 Which one would you like to do?

00:09:24.000 Who should be deported and how should we do it?

00:09:28.000 Let me think.

00:09:29.000 I guess I've never considered who I would deport if I was king of the world.

00:09:33.000 Which people would I get rid of first, I guess.

00:09:36.000 I well, I mean, if we go way back in history, because obviously if we don't study history, then we're doomed to repeat it.

00:09:46.000 Sure.

00:09:47.000 If we're talking about the colonial era and how, you know, Christopher Columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1492 and all of those things, my question would be: who can be illegal on stolen land?

00:10:00.000 So you're saying that no one is here legally?

00:10:00.000 Oh, okay.

00:10:03.000 Well, no, I'm not saying that no one's here legally.

00:10:06.000 I'm saying how can people be illegal on land that didn't belong to them in the first place?

00:10:10.000 So who does the land belong to?

00:10:12.000 And I still do want to get to the point here where you said there's a solution to everything.

00:10:16.000 To do that, you do have to live in the real world, obviously.

00:10:19.000 And right now it's 2025, and you have a disagreement with deportation.

00:10:22.000 You said, well, I don't think we can do it.

00:10:24.000 I don't remember your words.

00:10:24.000 Wholesales, we need to determine who.

00:10:26.000 So I think it's a fair question to say who should be deported and how would you do it.

00:10:31.000 The solution isn't going to be this is all stolen land and give it back.

00:10:34.000 I don't know if you've been to a Native American reservation lately.

00:10:36.000 I don't think anyone would like that.

00:10:38.000 And I don't think that's what they're asking for either.

00:10:40.000 But who would you deport and how would you do it?

00:10:43.000 And then we can see where we differ.

00:10:44.000 Unfortunately, I don't think that anyone should be deported unless maybe someone's being extradited back to a country of origin.

00:10:51.000 So saying if someone has committed a crime and maybe the UK or something, maybe they, the people who robbed, what's it called, the Louvre, and they stole all the crowns and yeah, I know, I still can't believe that that happened.

00:11:02.000 You're like, how do you not catch these people?

00:11:04.000 It was like an ocean's electricity.

00:11:05.000 It really was.

00:11:06.000 But I would say, unfortunately, I don't think that anyone deserves to be reported unless they're being extradited back to their country of origin because they are committing crimes in their country of origin and they are escaping because they don't want to face imprisonment.

00:11:20.000 What if they're committing crimes here?

00:11:22.000 I think that the term that comes to mind is that America is a country, a third world country with a Gucci belt.

00:11:32.000 So if we have enough funding to say, maybe deport all of these illegal people, then why don't we have enough money to fix our justice system? 0.99

00:11:42.000 Yeah, and this is one of the things where people just move the goalposts or present a red herring.

00:11:46.000 I do want to stay on topic.

00:11:47.000 I think we need to fix the justice system as well.

00:11:49.000 But going to this, you see there's a solution for everything.

00:11:51.000 Illegal aliens not only commit crimes, and that's why I brought it up at a much higher rate than native-born citizens, they also cost the taxpayer $150 to $450 billion a year. 1.00

00:12:02.000 It is a serious problem, and obviously, you know about our debt and our deficits.

00:12:05.000 So, how do we deal with this problem?

00:12:07.000 Or it sounds to me like you're saying you wouldn't even deport people who've come here illegally, that's a crime, and are committing extra crimes while here. 0.90

00:12:14.000 You wouldn't deport those people?

00:12:17.000 No, I don't think I would, actually.

00:12:18.000 I think that the prison system here in America is well equipped to maybe handle the reformation of those citizens.

00:12:25.000 But I think that when your only option is to escape a country, when you're seeking political asylum, it's not necessarily the easiest thing in the entire world to obtain citizenship before you go to the country that you want to be in.

00:12:41.000 Yeah, but why are they entitled to go to any country they want?

00:12:46.000 Why is anyone entitled to living?

00:12:49.000 Well, all countries, I don't know if you're aware, like they all have borders and they all have laws and becoming a lot of people.

00:12:54.000 Mexico is far far.

00:12:56.000 Actually, we have one of the most lenient policies out there.

00:12:58.000 In Mexico, you can't even own waterfront property.

00:13:01.000 Yeah, and in Mexico, you can't own guns either, and that's why the cartel has a lot of control.

00:13:06.000 That's a good point.

00:13:07.000 That's true.

00:13:07.000 You disarm the citizens, you end up emboldening the worst of society.

00:13:11.000 And a lot of those people, I'm sure you know this, are invigorated and emboldened by the human trafficking that goes on.

00:13:18.000 Even people coming here seeking a better life, they have to go through coyotes, and a lot of them don't make it here.

00:13:23.000 There are more slaves on earth.

00:13:24.000 If we go that route of open borders, there are more slaves on earth now than ever in human history, did you know that?

00:13:28.000 Yes, it is. 0.96

00:13:29.000 Yeah, and a big part of them are sex slaves. 0.97

00:13:31.000 And they thrive under open borders policies. 0.97

00:13:34.000 It's the sun reflecting off of that car.

00:13:34.000 Sorry, the sun.

00:13:37.000 Sorry.

00:13:38.000 It just like got me. 0.99

00:13:40.000 Damn, Carline's cocky SOP over there. 1.00

00:13:42.000 I don't know who's driving it, but it's okay. 0.99

00:13:44.000 So, yeah, I don't understand.

00:13:45.000 It would be incumbent upon you because it's not just, it's not as though there's no net laws if it's $150 to $450 billion here to the American taxpayer.

00:13:54.000 Make the case to the struggling American right now who's paying taxes out the wazoo that someone who comes here pays no taxes, shares nothing in common with the culture, language, commits crimes, according to your definition, should still be allowed to stay and be supported by their tax dollars. 0.71

00:14:10.000 Make that case, because that actually is, if we're going to come up with a solution, you need to make that case.

00:14:14.000 Those are the people who are voting.

00:14:15.000 It's very interesting that you've mentioned multiple times about speaking the language.

00:14:19.000 It's almost as if you demean people for not being fluent in English.

00:14:23.000 I'm curious to see if you are fluent in the language that your lady spoke.

00:14:29.000 So I speak French.

00:14:30.000 Yes.

00:14:30.000 She speaks Portuguese, Spanish, and English.

00:14:32.000 Yes.

00:14:33.000 But she hates it when people are here in this country and don't speak English.

00:14:36.000 And my mom is French, and she hates it when people here don't speak English.

00:14:38.000 Because my mom came here.

00:14:40.000 Well, it's an irrelevant question.

00:14:41.000 So let's have you answer one question.

00:14:43.000 Just one.

00:14:44.000 I have said that.

00:14:44.000 I have.

00:14:45.000 You wouldn't deport criminals.

00:14:46.000 So let me ask you this.

00:14:47.000 Why should the American taxpayer keep footing the bill for current criminals who are also illegal aliens? 0.90

00:14:54.000 Those are the people who are affected.

00:14:55.000 Well, it's almost as if you're insinuating that illegal citizens do not pay taxes at all.

00:15:01.000 Because you can receive employment here in the United States.

00:15:04.000 There's little checkbox that you have to put on job applications.

00:15:07.000 I didn't say that, but go ahead with this trick.

00:15:10.000 I never said that none of them pay taxes.

00:15:12.000 Well, it's interesting the way that you phrase it because it's almost insinuating that illegal citizens don't pay taxes.

00:15:18.000 I would say it's interesting the way you interpret it because what I said is they cost the American taxpayer $150 to $450 billion.

00:15:23.000 Now I could tell you, provide you the reference, if you want to take these with you so you don't have to take my word for it, that there's about a 17, that's including the 17% offset of taxes that are paid from the illegal aliens.

00:15:34.000 So even including that number, it's $150 to $450 billion.

00:15:38.000 Whether they all pay taxes or very few of them pay taxes is irrelevant.

00:15:42.000 It's a net cost.

00:15:43.000 There'd be no way of tracking it.

00:15:46.000 It's irrelevant.

00:15:48.000 $150 to $450 billion.

00:15:49.000 Why should Americans pay for it? 0.95

00:15:51.000 I'm finding that your argument is very circular.

00:15:54.000 So realistically, I'm realizing that there is no way to change your mind unless you are willing to break the cycle that is your circular figure.

00:16:02.000 Right.

00:16:03.000 So what would break that is about the language that I speak privately with my woman in my house?

00:16:08.000 Well, I mean, you referenced earlier that I was moving the goalpost.

00:16:13.000 I was, whatever.

00:16:13.000 I'm a social work major here at the University of Oklahoma.

00:16:16.000 I'm trying to.

00:16:16.000 Fantastic.

00:16:17.000 I'm sorry?

00:16:18.000 I said, fantastic.

00:16:18.000 Good.

00:16:19.000 Thank you for the work.

00:16:20.000 I am just trying to understand where your opinion comes from because that's what we do.

00:16:24.000 Social science is understanding how you can.

00:16:27.000 Oh, it's.

00:16:27.000 Sorry.

00:16:28.000 Oh, okay.

00:16:29.000 Social science is understanding how you can.

00:16:30.000 You can bat it around like a cat toy.

00:16:31.000 Just don't take it with you.

00:16:33.000 Yeah, it's very tempting.

00:16:34.000 I should have you sign it on the side.

00:16:36.000 But I apologize.

00:16:37.000 I got derailed there for a second.

00:16:38.000 But social science is based on understanding where your opinion comes from.

00:16:42.000 And it takes a certain amount of intelligence to understand why you believe what you believe.

00:16:42.000 Sure.

00:16:48.000 So why do you think you don't understand it?

00:16:50.000 Because your argument is very circular.

00:16:51.000 Okay, explain to me how it's circular.

00:16:53.000 Because it seems as if you're not willing to, when I said that it's almost as if that you were insinuating that no one who is an illegal citizen is paying taxes.

00:17:04.000 You immediately brought up statistics saying, well, there is a 17%.

00:17:04.000 Yeah.

00:17:07.000 No, I said because you were mischaracterizing what I said.

00:17:10.000 I never said that.

00:17:11.000 So if you're a social worker, shouldn't you also, let's say someone comes in and needs help.

00:17:15.000 If they say, hey, I have a problem because, I don't know, I'm being recruited for this gang and I'm in a neighborhood.

00:17:21.000 And if I don't, it's going to be dangerous to me.

00:17:22.000 And you go, okay, but what I'm hearing you saying is your entire neighborhood is nothing but a gang.

00:17:26.000 And he goes, no, no, no, that's not what I'm saying.

00:17:28.000 I said the net cost to taxpayers is $150 to $450 billion a year.

00:17:34.000 You said, well, you're insinuating or demeaning people for none of them paying.

00:17:37.000 That's not what I said.

00:17:38.000 And then I gave you a follow-up stat to ensure it wasn't circular logic.

00:17:41.000 I'm aware of the 17% offset.

00:17:44.000 So it costs the American taxpayer a lot of money, not to mention sanctuary cities and crimes, which disproportionately affects.

00:17:50.000 I know.

00:17:51.000 I interrupted you there because you've been interrupting me this whole time.

00:17:54.000 So it's unfortunate.

00:17:56.000 But in the South, we are very polite.

00:17:58.000 What I was going to ask, oh, I forgot, actually.

00:18:01.000 Well, let me, how is that circular?

00:18:03.000 I corrected what was a straw man.

00:18:06.000 You're social.

00:18:07.000 It's a logical fallacy, a straw man.

00:18:09.000 You built up an argument that I didn't make.

00:18:11.000 And when I said, well, that's not the argument I made, you said it was circular logic.

00:18:14.000 I said, no, no, I'm just clarifying.

00:18:15.000 That's not what I said.

00:18:18.000 It's interesting.

00:18:19.000 Is that fair?

00:18:20.000 Well, I don't know.

00:18:22.000 But it's.

00:18:23.000 Is it fair to argue against the point or to present a case against the point that I actually made rather than one you've prepared to make a case against?

00:18:31.000 Because I never said that.

00:18:33.000 Unfortunately, I think I am done.

00:18:36.000 I think so.

00:18:37.000 It is very hard to have a productive conversation with you when you continue to interrupt me and speak over me and then say that, well, I'm moving the goalpost and then given no time to maybe have a rebuttal to that.

00:18:54.000 Take all the time you want.

00:18:55.000 No, I'm saying I came here with the intention of actually having a productive conversation.

00:18:59.000 Sure.

00:19:00.000 I just wanted to know who you were and what you thought because that's what we do in social work.

00:19:04.000 We want to understand who you are as a person and what you think about the topic that is most concerning to you.

00:19:10.000 So then shouldn't you listen when I say what I think of the topic as opposed to making up something I didn't hold on?

00:19:16.000 And then I'll give you the floor.

00:19:18.000 Hold on, and then I'll give you the floor. 0.99

00:19:19.000 I know you constantly say, but we can set a timer and see who's interrupting who.

00:19:23.000 Shouldn't you address the point if you ask me my opinion and I express it and not misrepresent it?

00:19:28.000 It's just very interesting that whenever I get going on a particular topic, you continue to dominate the conversation.

00:19:35.000 I understand that this is your show and there are cameras who are here for you.

00:19:38.000 I get that.

00:19:39.000 But I wanted to have a productive conversation, and it seems like that you're not actually here for that.

00:19:48.000 May I speak?

00:19:49.000 No, thank you.

00:19:50.000 So you've not addressed a single point.

00:19:52.000 I appreciate you.

00:19:53.000 A single point that I've asked.

00:19:54.000 Not one.

00:19:55.000 I've continued to understand who you are as a person.

00:19:58.000 Okay.

00:19:59.000 Well, this will help you understand.

00:20:00.000 No, no, you, not whatever you believe about this, because that's what we do in social work.

00:20:05.000 I still don't know what it is that you do.

00:20:06.000 Tell me what it is that you do.

00:20:08.000 In social work.

00:20:09.000 Yes.

00:20:10.000 So we, social work, by definition, we try to work with the person and understand where they are coming from, how they have formed that opinion, and then how we can either agree, disagree, reach commonality.

00:20:23.000 So that's why I was asking you questions about your wife and why you called her your lady and how that was a little possessive.

00:20:30.000 And that's why I got a little offended because you were interrupting me before I could finish articulating my thought process.

00:20:36.000 I was trying to understand who you are and where you're coming from where you're coming from with this argument.

00:20:44.000 That way we could have a productive conversation.

00:20:47.000 But when you continue to throw stats and you have a very circular argument, it's very hard to understand who you are as a person and achieve a productive conversation.

00:20:56.000 I can have a conversation with you, but I don't have to agree with you.

00:20:59.000 Of course.

00:21:00.000 But it seems very disrespectful when you continue dominating the conversation, and I don't get a chance to do what I came here to do.

00:21:08.000 Okay.

00:21:10.000 May I present a suggestion?

00:21:11.000 When you say listening to people and finding out where they're coming from, perhaps when you ask questions, listening to the answers, and taking an interest in the reasoning, the rationale, the logic behind it, and not misrepresenting what they say, that would help.

00:21:24.000 That would serve you better than social work.

00:21:27.000 Because I don't think you've listened a lot.

00:21:29.000 Well, what I mean is if you ask me my opinion, and then I answer and you go, that's interesting.

00:21:33.000 sounds possessive or that sounds well yes i think that to the ordinary person identifying your lady as my lady would sound possessive But maybe that's a cultural norm that I'm not accustomed to.

00:21:46.000 Sure, I'm sure you're not.

00:21:48.000 But is that relevant to the point and the answer?

00:21:50.000 Because you interrupted to say that offends me rather than listening.

00:21:54.000 So do you not listen to people who come in and seek your social work the same way?

00:21:56.000 No, I promise I do.

00:21:58.000 Just not here.

00:21:59.000 I came here to have a productive conversation, and usually when I encounter someone in my field, they are also working to have a productive conversation.

00:22:06.000 But the way that you throw in the little tidbits that are demeaning, the way you have a very circular argument and you throw stats, that's what makes me a little apprehensive to continue speaking with you.

00:22:17.000 I'm just trying to understand.

00:22:19.000 Is the tidbit that was demeaning the phrase, my lady?

00:22:23.000 No, it's the little side comments that you sneak in when you're having conversations like this.

00:22:27.000 You're a very sassy individual.

00:22:29.000 I said, my lady, you said that was offensive.

00:22:31.000 What else?

00:22:32.000 Well, when I said that maybe that's a cultural norm that I'm not accustomed to, you said, well, I wouldn't expect you to.

00:22:37.000 And then when we were talking about countries having borders, I said that, yes, I understand that countries have borders.

00:22:43.000 And you said, well, I'd hope you would.

00:22:46.000 No, that's actually not what I said.

00:22:47.000 can rewind it well all countries i don't know if you're aware like they all have borders and they all have laws and becoming a citizen Mexico is far far, actually, we have one of the most lenient policies out there.

00:23:02.000 Well, I think that's maybe your interpretation.

00:23:04.000 I think you paraphrase a lot.

00:23:07.000 Interesting.

00:23:08.000 Why do you think that?

00:23:09.000 Because you've done it a lot.

00:23:11.000 Okay.

00:23:12.000 Do you not care to elaborate further?

00:23:15.000 It seems like you enjoy hearing yourself talk.

00:23:17.000 Well, see, this is what you do.

00:23:20.000 Would you like me to speak, or will you then accuse me of dominating the conversation?

00:23:20.000 You say you enjoy.

00:23:23.000 I think you paraphrase a lot.

00:23:24.000 And I think you strawman a lot.

00:23:26.000 And I don't think you've answered a single question.

00:23:29.000 I don't think you've presented.

00:23:32.000 I don't think you've presented your opinion on the issue at hand.

00:23:35.000 I think you've presented a lot of offenses based on some things that I've said and some things that I haven't.

00:23:40.000 I think you've paraphrased yourself into convincing yourself, Savannah, that you have a valid position.

00:23:46.000 I don't think you do.

00:23:48.000 So I'm saying that I don't think that anyone should be deported.

00:23:52.000 And you say that I haven't answered any questions.

00:23:54.000 You asked me.

00:23:55.000 That is one.

00:23:55.000 That is one, and I appreciate you answering that.

00:23:57.000 Would you like to re-ask the other two?

00:23:58.000 then maybe I can provide further clarity well because what actually I think I am though I tried to leave earlier.

00:24:05.000 I do appreciate talking with you.

00:24:06.000 Thank you.

00:24:07.000 I just wish that we could have had a productive conversation.

00:24:09.000 Yeah, I do as well.

00:24:10.000 I hope that you have a wonderful day.

00:24:12.000 Thank you.

00:24:12.000 You too, Savannah.

00:24:13.000 No, thank you.

00:24:13.000 I appreciate it.

00:24:14.000 No, thank you.

00:24:15.000 Listening helps, Savannah.

00:24:16.000 I did.

00:24:17.000 And I am back.

00:24:20.000 And thank you, Savannah.

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00:25:51.000 Speaking of research, here's an Asian meet Andy.

00:25:55.000 Andy, do you mind scooching in just so I can hold the microphone to you?

00:25:59.000 I mean, you can angle forward if you want.

00:25:59.000 A little bit closer.

00:26:00.000 I know you probably don't want to be touching my knees. 0.95

00:26:02.000 Today, it's deport all illegals. 0.99

00:26:04.000 Let me just can't fit it all on a sign. 0.89

00:26:06.000 I absolutely think that it's paramount that we deport all illegal aliens in this country. 1.00

00:26:12.000 I think it's a moral imperative.

00:26:14.000 And I think we're at the point too where economically it's definitely an imperative.

00:26:18.000 I support it wholesale.

00:26:19.000 If you disagree, you're more than welcome to change my mind.

00:26:23.000 I'm interested to see why you think it's important like economic.

00:26:28.000 So a few different reasons.

00:26:30.000 The primary one is that illegal aliens cost a taxpayer in this country anywhere from $150 billion on the low end to $450 billion a year.

00:26:38.000 Taxpayers.

00:26:40.000 Let's split it and call it $350 billion or so.

00:26:43.000 That's a lot, and there's no reason for it because that's something that could be prevented.

00:26:48.000 How so?

00:26:49.000 Are you like insinuating that they don't like pay taxes and that's why they're costing the taxpayer money?

00:26:54.000 Yeah, most don't.

00:26:55.000 So if you look at the contribution, the offset of the $150 to $450 billion, it includes the 17% or so offset of those who pay taxes.

00:27:04.000 17%, not who pay taxes, but that's about the offsetting costs.

00:27:07.000 So they cost far, far more than they actually benefit.

00:27:11.000 So I've got like most like immigrants that come here illegally, right? 1.00

00:27:18.000 They come here in search of legally or illegal?

00:27:20.000 Illegally.

00:27:21.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:27:21.000 Like they come here in search of better opportunities, right?

00:27:25.000 Some.

00:27:26.000 If they're coming here for employment, then shouldn't they be forced to pay taxes by the U.S. like revenue service or something?

00:27:35.000 You would think so, because you and I would.

00:27:37.000 Yeah.

00:27:38.000 Let me ask you: why do you think that many of them don't?

00:27:42.000 I honestly don't have an answer to that because I'm just assuming if they're doing work, then I'm assuming that their IRS is just going to catch them.

00:27:52.000 I don't think the IRS is letting anyone go without paying income tax and stuff.

00:27:56.000 Oh, really?

00:27:56.000 Oh, sure, plenty.

00:27:57.000 Yeah, plenty.

00:27:58.000 And not only plenty, but let's assume that they were on the books and not being paid cash, right?

00:28:02.000 Let's assume that they could be tracked because they have a social security number.

00:28:06.000 And I think you're basing these presumptions on a lot of respectfully talking points.

00:28:10.000 If the left pushes out, hoping that you believe it, most of them come here and pay taxes.

00:28:14.000 That's actually just not true.

00:28:15.000 But even if you were to take that into account, the amount of services and social benefits that they receive far exceed the portion of them who pay income taxes.

00:28:24.000 But they can work off the books.

00:28:26.000 They're incentivized to.

00:28:27.000 The employers are incentivized to.

00:28:29.000 And the entire Democratic Party has incentivized them to do so because, hey, it's pretty beneficial to have basically third world labor at third world wages. 0.94

00:28:38.000 Yeah.

00:28:40.000 So, with regards to that, like, how is their negative, like your opinion of their negative contribution on like the American economy?

00:28:50.000 Yeah.

00:28:50.000 Like, it's going to cost the cost, yeah.

00:28:53.000 It's going to cost billions and billions of dollars to deport them.

00:28:56.000 What's the difference?

00:28:58.000 So, no, to give you an idea, deporting, so the average cost to deport an illegal alien right now is estimated about $17,000.

00:29:05.000 So, if we deported, let's just say the 20 million who came in under Biden, give or take, right?

00:29:10.000 No one knows the official number of how many are in the country.

00:29:12.000 I've seen as low as 35, I've seen as high as 50 million.

00:29:16.000 I assume it's somewhere around 30, 40 million.

00:29:18.000 If we deported 20 million illegal aliens, that would cost us about 340 to 360 million, sorry, billion dollars.

00:29:26.000 So, we'd actually save money before the end of the year.

00:29:30.000 Let's call it one and a half years if we're using that low-end estimate.

00:29:33.000 They cost $150, $450 billion a year, and deporting 20 million right now would cost about $350 million.

00:29:41.000 So, it would be net savings.

00:29:44.000 Does that make sense?

00:29:44.000 Yeah, it makes sense.

00:29:46.000 I just have a question.

00:29:47.000 So, what's your estimates on what illegal immigrants cost the American taxpayer?

00:29:55.000 Yeah.

00:29:55.000 Do you have a citation for that?

00:29:59.000 Yeah, all right here on the QR code.

00:30:01.000 Everything.

00:30:02.000 Some of it comes from Cato, some of it comes from the Bureau of Labor.

00:30:05.000 There's probably about 40 or so sources there.

00:30:08.000 And I don't think a single one of them is right-leaning.

00:30:11.000 Yeah.

00:30:11.000 So, yeah, the left doesn't really even argue that anymore.

00:30:16.000 They just say, well, it's the right thing to do is to give everyone an amnesty or path to citizenship.

00:30:20.000 And to give you an idea, I don't know if you saw this.

00:30:22.000 In Texas, they just checked to see how many illegal aliens use the emergency room, emergency room services.

00:30:28.000 In one month, the one month they tracked it, it was $120 million at one hospital.

00:30:34.000 I don't know if you know this, but illegal aliens, they'll come in, they'll use the emergency room as primary care and never pay the bill. 1.00

00:30:39.000 $120 million at one hospital in one month.

00:30:46.000 Yeah, I know.

00:30:47.000 That honestly blew my mind.

00:30:48.000 And it also blew my mind that no one even thought to track it.

00:30:52.000 So the more we track it, the more we actually kind of dig into the numbers, the worse it is.

00:30:56.000 There's no net economic benefit.

00:30:58.000 And let me ask you this, because I know you're talking about the economy and people looking for a better life.

00:31:02.000 Let's assume that that's true.

00:31:04.000 It's not true of all illegal aliens, by the way.

00:31:07.000 And that's why we have the crime problems that we have in a lot of these cities, namely sanctuary cities.

00:31:11.000 But don't you think that it's imperative that the United States government looks out for people who are already here first if they're looking for work?

00:31:20.000 So 7 million, 7.5 million Americans are looking for work.

00:31:24.000 Why do we need to import people to do those jobs cheaper than Americans? 1.00

00:31:27.000 And if you look at under the Biden administration, foreign-born workers, jobs, when they say job increases, it was about 3 million new jobs for people who weren't from the United States.

00:31:37.000 Americans lost about 1.5 million jobs if they were born here.

00:31:40.000 The first few months of Donald Trump's presidency, now it's about 1.5 million native-born working jobs gained and one million foreign-born working jobs lost.

00:31:51.000 That shows a difference in approach.

00:31:53.000 It shows a difference in priorities.

00:31:54.000 I think our priority should be to Americans living here first who are looking for jobs. 0.99

00:31:58.000 When you import people to do them, you just rob Americans of the opportunity to do those jobs. 0.98

00:32:02.000 And the numbers show that they'll do them.

00:32:05.000 Yeah.

00:32:06.000 I agree with that point somewhat, but if illegal immigrants are coming here, I would say a majority of them are coming here looking for work.

00:32:17.000 I would say a majority of them are coming here looking to cause havoc. 0.84

00:32:21.000 I didn't say that.

00:32:22.000 I just said not all of them are.

00:32:23.000 Yeah.

00:32:24.000 Like if a majority of people are coming here looking for work, shouldn't like America with its capitalist ideology, shouldn't like more talented migrant workers get their roles compared to like someone who's less talented but is born here natively? 0.97

00:32:39.000 Can you explain to me how a migrant is going to be more talented as a truck driver? 1.00

00:32:46.000 How a migrant is going to be more talented at a meat packing plant? 1.00

00:32:49.000 What if they have more experience from the country they came from and then they went here because like economically they could get paid more for some of the work.

00:32:58.000 Yeah, so it'd be pretty hard to argue that case because people go through training to do these jobs and some of them are unskilled jobs.

00:33:04.000 So we've heard for a long time who's going to pick your strawberries, right?

00:33:07.000 Who's going to till the fields? 0.92

00:33:08.000 Well Americans did it. 0.91

00:33:09.000 Who's going to mow your lawns? 1.00

00:33:10.000 Well Americans did it. 0.91

00:33:11.000 And now the argument has shifted to well really highly skilled labor, for example H-1Bs and Indians coming in here, coming to this country working in tech.

00:33:19.000 And they'll do it for 30%, 40% less than the American wage.

00:33:22.000 But they're not any better.

00:33:24.000 So if Americans aren't good enough for low-skilled labor, they're not good enough for high-skilled labor, sounds to me like people are saying Americans aren't good enough for any labor and you have plenty of Americans who are ready, willing, and able to do those jobs.

00:33:35.000 They just can't do them because they're competing against third world labor costs. 0.70

00:33:40.000 I don't think that there aren't enough skilled Americans to do these jobs.

00:33:43.000 If someone wants to argue picking strawberries, fine.

00:33:47.000 I still disagree, but let's assume that.

00:33:48.000 You can't then extend that to also retail, also truck driving, also trade jobs, also highly skilled tech jobs.

00:34:00.000 At what point do you say, hey, Americans matter too?

00:34:02.000 They should be able to get jobs.

00:34:05.000 Is that fair?

00:34:06.000 Yeah, I think that's pretty fair.

00:34:09.000 And let me ask you this: why do you think it's incumbent upon the United States to accept anyone who wants to come here? 1.00

00:34:16.000 Do you have a general problem with the idea of borders and ensuring the well-being of our people here first?

00:34:23.000 Well, I don't have a general problem with borders itself.

00:34:26.000 It's obviously important to keep national security out.

00:34:31.000 And a lot of people actually apply for visas.

00:34:35.000 I have relatives that are applying for visas and they're waiting decades to get here.

00:34:41.000 So I think borders are important.

00:34:43.000 But I also think that America has a long reputation of being a land of opportunity and a multi-polluted culture.

00:34:50.000 So I feel like if an illegal immigrant comes here searching for asylum, searching for work, searching for more opportunity, America has a duty to let them in.

00:34:59.000 What?

00:35:01.000 When you say asylum, can you define for me asylum?

00:35:03.000 Because that's an actual term.

00:35:06.000 It's not a broad term.

00:35:07.000 There's a legal definition to asylum.

00:35:10.000 It's not someone seeking a better wage.

00:35:12.000 It's someone fleeing a persecutive government.

00:35:15.000 That's not most of these people.

00:35:17.000 They're fleeing countries that suck economically, culturally, I would argue, to come here and take advantage of a better country, but they're not benefiting the country.

00:35:27.000 Don't we have the right, just like Mexico does? 1.00

00:35:29.000 You know, Mexico has far harsher immigration policy.

00:35:33.000 Where is your family from, by the way, Tom?

00:35:35.000 My family's from Vietnam.

00:35:36.000 From Vietnam.

00:35:37.000 Yeah, they have far more strict immigration policy in Vietnam, all across Asia, by the way.

00:35:41.000 Super strict in South Korea and Japan.

00:35:44.000 Seems to only be a problem in the United States has it.

00:35:46.000 And we're not really a melting pot in that term of just a bunch of different cultures.

00:35:51.000 Americans are, just to give you a perspective, first off, your parents are probably waiting for a very long time because our immigration system is broken, largely because of the mass illegal immigration.

00:36:00.000 But Americans are footing the bill to, they're paying to be made to feel like strangers in their own hometown.

00:36:08.000 The United States has a national language.

00:36:10.000 Thank God we have one now.

00:36:11.000 We didn't before.

00:36:12.000 The United States has a culture.

00:36:14.000 And is it okay?

00:36:15.000 This is one thing, too, for a long time, Americans were accused of being racist.

00:36:18.000 If Americans expect people who come here to wave the flag, speak the language, and become American, and not only create these ghettos, and I don't mean ghetto in the way that people use it today, but ghettos where you have people who come from these countries and they create neighborhoods where they don't integrate, they don't associate. 0.96

00:36:36.000 And it's not American.

00:36:37.000 And Americans also want to have a clearly defined culture and preserve that because they want to keep the country they grew up in.

00:36:43.000 Is that okay?

00:36:44.000 Yeah, I believe that's okay, but like you, I would argue that American culture is like ever-changing.

00:36:50.000 Like it's not like our culture like 200 years ago is the same as our culture today.

00:36:55.000 Especially with like, I grew up with public schools, right?

00:36:59.000 I'm sorry.

00:37:00.000 Yeah.

00:37:00.000 Me too.

00:37:02.000 Well, like, I think that the influx of immigrants like throughout time, and right now where certain like ethnic groups are actually going to like be a majority of the American population, I feel like just blending all of those cultures together and like having like public forums like school, like that, that's beneficial.

00:37:26.000 And that changes like American culture.

00:37:28.000 So how is it beneficial?

00:37:29.000 Because you say it's ever-changing.

00:37:31.000 Well, you can say that technologically right for any culture.

00:37:33.000 By the way, sorry, I got a mosquito on my vehicle driving me nuts.

00:37:38.000 That's every culture if you're talking about technology, stuff like that.

00:37:41.000 But let me ask you this.

00:37:42.000 What part of American culture is not ever-changing or shouldn't be ever changing?

00:37:47.000 What should be the constant?

00:37:49.000 What is American culture?

00:37:50.000 Because that's a conversation we're having right now.

00:37:52.000 And you say, you know, those demographics are going to change.

00:37:54.000 And that is true.

00:37:55.000 You have the Democratic Party putting Americans out of work, discouraging, for example, birth rates under this climate alarmism and importing in record numbers third world labor where, yeah, America would look like these other countries. 0.97

00:38:08.000 What is, by your estimation, or what should not be ever-changing to preserve American culture?

00:38:16.000 Well, what I think American culture is, is like, I feel patriotism is a big part of it.

00:38:23.000 And also just like the like self-working men, right?

00:38:28.000 Like you're pulling yourself up by the bootstraps.

00:38:30.000 Self-determination.

00:38:31.000 Self-determination.

00:38:32.000 I feel like those are like the biggest factors.

00:38:35.000 But patriotism means patronage right to something.

00:38:38.000 So patriotism to what?

00:38:40.000 To America?

00:38:40.000 Would we also include Christian Christendom?

00:38:46.000 Christian? 0.80

00:38:47.000 Christianity is a basis of this country.

00:38:49.000 Fundamental Western values.

00:38:52.000 Yeah, America was founded on the basis of Christianity, but I feel like that isn't one of my biggest.

00:39:02.000 No, I'm just saying, but that's a part of American culture.

00:39:04.000 Just like in a lot of Asian cultures, you could obviously have Buddhism, Taoism.

00:39:08.000 I don't know.

00:39:09.000 What is the primary religion in Vietnam?

00:39:11.000 I know for a period of time, obviously, you can just put that in your pocket if you want.

00:39:15.000 And I appreciate you asking for the citations, by the way.

00:39:19.000 What is it in Vietnam?

00:39:21.000 Vietnam, like my family is Buddhist, but I'm pretty sure it's like it's either Buddhism or capitalism.

00:39:30.000 Okay.

00:39:31.000 Yeah.

00:39:31.000 There's obviously a strong, strong current of atheism when you're talking about the communism that rose in Vietnam.

00:39:36.000 So that's a part of it.

00:39:37.000 What about a shared language?

00:39:39.000 A shared language.

00:39:40.000 Yeah.

00:39:41.000 Shared language in the United States.

00:39:42.000 Yeah.

00:39:43.000 Let me ask you this: how does someone coming from, let's say, Mexico or Honduras, how does someone coming here, let's just take Mexico as an example, someone who comes to this country, who takes a job that an American is willing to do for a lower wage because they don't pay taxes, who doesn't speak English, waves the Mexican flag, how does that benefit the United States in any way?

00:40:05.000 Well, like, culturally, even.

00:40:08.000 Culturally, yeah.

00:40:09.000 Someone who doesn't speak the language, doesn't share our values. 1.00

00:40:12.000 I think the corpse assumption here is that that is their constant personality.

00:40:19.000 I would argue.

00:40:20.000 I'm saying it's too much, and that's a big reason that Americans voted for Donald Trump, not only economically, but culturally.

00:40:20.000 It's too much.

00:40:26.000 People want a country and a culture they want to preserved, and they have the right to preserve it.

00:40:30.000 Yeah, I would argue, though, like immigrants like that, I don't think they're just trying to represent their home country forever.

00:40:40.000 I think they're also trying to blend into the American culture we have now.

00:40:45.000 I don't think it's fair to assume that, like, for example, a Mexican immigrant would only speak Spanish forever and not try to learn English or American.

00:40:55.000 I didn't assume that all Mexican immigrants speak Spanish forever.

00:40:57.000 But I will tell you, having to press one for English in an English country is a problem.

00:41:04.000 Vietnam wouldn't accommodate another culture before their own and wouldn't accommodate the best interests of foreign nations before their own, would they? 0.93

00:41:11.000 They absolutely would not.

00:41:12.000 They have a much stronger nationalist spent than the United States.

00:41:15.000 Yeah, it's a problem if it's so prevalent and so common that signs have to be in Spanish, that customer service has to be in Spanish, where you can't communicate with your neighbor.

00:41:26.000 It's enough of a problem.

00:41:28.000 And the idea of a test, a language test, has been rejected wholesale by the Democratic Party, right?

00:41:33.000 So it's accommodated by design.

00:41:35.000 And it's not a small percentage.

00:41:35.000 That is a problem.

00:41:38.000 You have people who are here for decades who cost the taxpayer billions of dollars, never learn the language, never assimilate.

00:41:46.000 Here's the big difference, right?

00:41:48.000 You talk about being, I hear this a lot, a nation of immigrants.

00:41:52.000 And that's probably, you're probably thinking, like in your mind, like Ellis Island, you know, probably early 1900s, right?

00:41:57.000 So let's kind of look through, that's column A, and column B is the immigration we're looking at today, right?

00:42:03.000 To use the melting pot analogy.

00:42:05.000 Someone from Italy, someone from Ireland, someone from Poland or Germany, take your pick, right?

00:42:10.000 Who's coming here then?

00:42:12.000 You know, you've heard the old stories, nothing but a nickel in my pocket, right?

00:42:15.000 Got off the boat.

00:42:16.000 They were coming here at great risk to themselves.

00:42:18.000 It's not safety or comfort.

00:42:19.000 There was no welfare state.

00:42:21.000 It was, you come here, and like you said, self-determination.

00:42:24.000 You are free, but don't expect us to coddle you.

00:42:27.000 Some of them actually left the security and comforts of their previous countries in order to seek out freedom, put at risk to themselves.

00:42:34.000 And they came here and they learned the language.

00:42:36.000 Let's be honest.

00:42:37.000 Someone from Ireland and someone from England and someone from Italy who were living in a borough of New York back then who spoke the same language.

00:42:43.000 It's not like they were from different planets.

00:42:45.000 They had a relatively similar shared heritage, culture, values, religion, language.

00:42:51.000 That is not the same as people coming here when there is a giant modern welfare state that incentivizes immigration at a cost to the taxpayer, not at risk to themselves, at cost to the taxpayer, and they don't learn the language and they don't share the same values. 0.96

00:43:05.000 It's like we're from different planets.

00:43:09.000 Is it fair to say there's a marked difference between that?

00:43:11.000 I could see that difference.

00:43:13.000 And so how about this?

00:43:13.000 Yeah.

00:43:15.000 Not that I think this will ever happen, but here's my middle ground.

00:43:18.000 I say deport everyone, by the way, who's here illegally. 1.00

00:43:21.000 Make them go through the process like your parents are.

00:43:24.000 Do you think, first, would you think that's disagreeable?

00:43:26.000 Make them, give them the opportunity to come through legally, but if they're here illegally, you got to go back, come back through just like your family, sorry, applying for visas. 0.96

00:43:34.000 Let's assume you disagree with that.

00:43:35.000 How about this?

00:43:36.000 Okay, if we catch you and you're here illegally, all right. 1.00

00:43:39.000 You can stay if you pay all your back taxes.

00:43:43.000 How long have you been working?

00:43:43.000 How long have you been here?

00:43:44.000 You pay all of it, plus 5% interest, because Americans would be penalized if they didn't pay their taxes.

00:43:49.000 You pass a language, you have to do it immediately.

00:43:51.000 If not, you're gone.

00:43:52.000 You have to pass a language test, civics test, just like you do to become a citizen here.

00:43:56.000 I know it because my miss has had to go through a naturalization test. 1.00

00:43:59.000 She's Brazilian. 0.58

00:44:02.000 And then you also have to provide proof of contribution to your community, bettering your community, as well as, by the way, a remittance tax, where you can't come here and send your money back to another country.

00:44:13.000 No other country allows that.

00:44:15.000 So if you come here, you don't speak the language and you haven't paid taxes and you're sending your money to another country, you're gone.

00:44:21.000 If you already know English, you're ready to pay your back taxes, because if you were here wanting to be right a part of America, you'd be saving your taxes just like I do quarterly.

00:44:28.000 You could pass the language test easily because you're happy to be in the United States and you'll keep your money here in our economy as opposed to sending it back and just do a soup kitchen.

00:44:37.000 You do that, we'll give you a path to going through the process.

00:44:41.000 Would that be fair?

00:44:41.000 Anyone who doesn't meet that criteria, gone.

00:44:43.000 Is that a fair compromise?

00:44:45.000 I feel like that's a pretty fair compromise, except for the fact that it's immediate, right?

00:44:50.000 Like, but someone here who wants to be American, they obviously should know the language and they should be ready to pay their taxes.

00:44:56.000 If someone wants to be American, like, even if they want to be American, learning a second language is very hard.

00:45:02.000 Well, most countries don't even let you in to work there unless you already know the language.

00:45:05.000 Oh, really?

00:45:06.000 Oh, yeah.

00:45:07.000 Oh, yeah.

00:45:08.000 Even in provinces in French Canada, if you don't show the capability, you're not going to be getting into work.

00:45:14.000 You're not going to be eligible for a lot of social media, like they're sort of socialized healthcare.

00:45:19.000 Yeah.

00:45:20.000 We're one of the only, you know who has an official language of the country being English?

00:45:24.000 And who has that?

00:45:25.000 India.

00:45:27.000 Every other country, almost every country, had an official language except for us.

00:45:31.000 By the time you get here, if you want to be American, right, it's a golden ticket, like you said, right?

00:45:36.000 It's a great country.

00:45:37.000 That's why they're coming here.

00:45:38.000 Show the respect of learning the language and paying your taxes.

00:45:41.000 Is that fair?

00:45:42.000 Yes.

00:45:43.000 Okay.

00:45:43.000 I think that's a fair compromise.

00:45:44.000 Well, it'll never happen, though, because the entire Democrat Party says that that's racist.

00:45:47.000 So just keep that in mind and check the citations.

00:45:50.000 But I appreciate the conversation, Andy?

00:45:51.000 Yeah.

00:45:52.000 Andy?

00:45:52.000 And I hope it goes well for your parents too, brother.

00:45:55.000 I hope I hear some of my parents' mindset.

00:45:57.000 I'm sorry, sorry, your family, your family.

00:45:58.000 Yeah.

00:46:00.000 All right.

00:46:00.000 Well, thank you for speaking.

00:46:01.000 Thank you very much, brother.

00:46:02.000 I appreciate it.

00:46:02.000 Be well.

00:46:05.000 Really appreciated being able to cover the broader topic of what it means to be an American with Andy.

00:46:11.000 Really nice kids.

00:46:12.000 Show them you love them in the comments.

00:46:14.000 And show some love in the comments.

00:46:16.000 Period.

00:46:16.000 Across the board.

00:46:17.000 It helps with the YouTube algorithm that no one fully understands.

00:46:21.000 And hit the like button, share, because that lets the YouTube overlords know that we're not dead and there are people out there who actually want this kind of content as opposed to clickbait crap. 0.68

00:46:31.000 I'll tell you what's not crap or who's not crap is our next guest.

00:46:36.000 I'm Joshua. 0.97

00:46:36.000 Nice to meet you. 0.97

00:46:37.000 Joshua, grab a seat, Joshua.

00:46:38.000 Thank you.

00:46:40.000 And I hate to ask you to scooch in because it's just what the cameras work.

00:46:40.000 All right.

00:46:43.000 No worries, no worries.

00:46:44.000 Yeah, that works, yeah.

00:46:45.000 And yeah, my position today, now, we can still rationalize our positions on controversial topics.

00:46:51.000 I think certainly in 2025, where we are, and it's a hot button issue, that we should be deporting all illegal aliens in this country. 1.00

00:46:58.000 If you disagree with me, you're more than welcome to change my mind, Joshua.

00:47:01.000 I'd also like to, I think I've followed you since, I think you went to CCU.

00:47:05.000 You blew up on Twitter like 10 years ago.

00:47:07.000 It's cool to see you there.

00:47:07.000 Okay.

00:47:08.000 But yeah, I do heavily disagree with deport all illegals.

00:47:11.000 Okay.

00:47:11.000 Just because, I mean, realistically speaking, how can you actually do that?

00:47:15.000 All illegals? 0.94

00:47:16.000 I mean, is that really possible?

00:47:19.000 Well, can we end all murder?

00:47:21.000 Can we end all theft?

00:47:21.000 No.

00:47:22.000 Absolutely not.

00:47:23.000 Tax evasion?

00:47:24.000 No.

00:47:24.000 It doesn't mean that it's not a matter of policy.

00:47:26.000 Of course.

00:47:26.000 So I'm saying that the ideal as a matter of policy should be people who are here illegally.

00:47:31.000 Certainly at this juncture, the policy is deport people illegally, who are here illegally, sorry, not illegally deport them.

00:47:36.000 No.

00:47:37.000 And have them come through the same pathways that people who migrate here legally.

00:47:41.000 Certainly, would you say that like current illegals in today's day? 1.00

00:47:44.000 I mean, do you think they don't try to do it the legal way?

00:47:48.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:47:49.000 I don't care.

00:47:50.000 You don't care?

00:47:51.000 Okay.

00:47:52.000 I really don't.

00:47:53.000 Some do, some don't.

00:47:55.000 What I care about is there are more slaves on earth than ever in recorded history, including sex slaves.

00:47:59.000 300,000 minors went missing under Biden.

00:48:02.000 I care that they cost the American taxpayer $150 to $450 billion a year.

00:48:06.000 I care that there are, particularly Hispanic immigrants here in this country, who live in sanctuary cities under the rule of cartels and they can't report anything to the authorities because they're basically held hostage and for ransom.

00:48:18.000 I just think it's, I'm sure there are some, but it enables a system that's a real failure and we need to change.

00:48:25.000 So, Ben and your point about slaves and you know, in particular, Hispanic immigrants, you know, they're the ones who don't you think they might come over here to kind of escape that form of slavery?

00:48:38.000 Well, if they are, they're doing a really bad job because we've created a modern day class of slavery where people who, and there are employers who should be punished, who are all too happy to hire people off the books.

00:48:48.000 They're enabled by policy from the Democratic Party, and there are people who are happy to work off the books.

00:48:53.000 So that's why they'll work for lower wages and they're effectively modern indentured servants.

00:48:59.000 So I don't think it's good for them either.

00:49:01.000 It may not, but I think I'm going to kind of put the point of view as this way.

00:49:06.000 Sure.

00:49:06.000 You take me, for example.

00:49:08.000 My parents came from Mexico.

00:49:10.000 And I just think it's when you say something to deport all illegals, then I think you kind of rob sort of children as myself, like myself, and from an opportunity like this, you know, coming to a great university.

00:49:27.000 And I'm privileged in that sense, you know?

00:49:29.000 Sure, I have the opportunity to come here.

00:49:31.000 I'm proud to be here right now, you know.

00:49:33.000 It means the world to me.

00:49:35.000 So I think that kind of deprives these immigrant children from that.

00:49:40.000 Why is it the American citizen's job to provide that?

00:49:44.000 You say deprived, that means someone else is providing it.

00:49:47.000 What about the people here who are deprived of it, who are struggling as well?

00:49:50.000 Why is it incumbent upon the American working taxpaying class to provide opportunity to everyone?

00:49:56.000 I suppose it isn't, but with that same point of view, wouldn't you say that deporting illegals, that also takes away from the taxpaying dollars?

00:50:03.000 No, how?

00:50:05.000 I'm not so sure.

00:50:05.000 You mean how much it costs?

00:50:06.000 Right, right.

00:50:07.000 Yeah.

00:50:08.000 No, I understand that point, but for example, if we just deported, let's say, 20 million illegal aliens, it costs on average about $17,000, give or take.

00:50:16.000 These are all estimates, right?

00:50:17.000 Of course.

00:50:18.000 So you'd be at around $350 million.

00:50:21.000 You'd be saving money by the end of the year.

00:50:23.000 Yeah.

00:50:24.000 Let's say, let's call it two years, because it costs $150 billion.

00:50:26.000 And if you watched the older installments, for example, like at TCU, I did a build the wall change my mind, which back then was also racist, but has now been incredibly effective.

00:50:35.000 Because now people say, well, we support strong border policy, but not deportation.

00:50:38.000 But back then, there was no support for strong border policy.

00:50:41.000 Back then, the number was $116 billion a year.

00:50:43.000 The lowest you'll find is $150 to $450 billion.

00:50:46.000 If we deported 20 million illegals, it would cost $350 billion.

00:50:50.000 So no one would be in net savings.

00:50:52.000 And not to mention, in addition to that, job loss.

00:50:55.000 I mean, here's one thing to say, deprived.

00:50:58.000 And just to be clear, of course, my heart goes out to people who are seeking a better life.

00:51:02.000 I understand that.

00:51:04.000 I think it's a hard case to make for the people who've opened the borders where they say all cultures are equal, but it's so cruel to send these people back to their equal culture that we have to allow them to stay here. 0.62

00:51:16.000 Of course, I understand.

00:51:17.000 My heart goes out to you.

00:51:18.000 My heart also goes out to the seven and a half million Americans looking for jobs who are ready, able, and willing to do them.

00:51:24.000 Those jobs are being imported for lower wages.

00:51:27.000 And I don't think that's good for the culture in this country either.

00:51:30.000 I think there are exceptions, but that's not what's happening in this country.

00:51:36.000 Certainly.

00:51:37.000 I kind of actually admire that you said that because I was going to make the point that, you know, when people, I wanted to originally bring up the point that, you know, illegals, when we come over here, we're taking all these, you know, the jobs no one else wants. 1.00

00:51:48.000 But I honestly see like illegals as more than that. 0.93

00:51:52.000 You know, obviously some people, you know, we come over here, we're illegal, and then we become legal.

00:51:57.000 You know, that's kind of what happens in some cases, of course.

00:52:00.000 Sure.

00:52:01.000 And I think a lot of us, like, for example, I'm Hispanic and I'm in business.

00:52:05.000 You know, I'm proud to be moving into a sector, you know, making a name for ourselves.

00:52:09.000 Yeah.

00:52:10.000 So I think we're more than just like blue-collar jobs and June jobs that no one else wants.

00:52:16.000 I didn't say just blue-collar jobs.

00:52:17.000 Yeah, yeah, no.

00:52:18.000 I appreciated your point.

00:52:19.000 Well, because that's also a problem.

00:52:20.000 Picture, you're one of the seven and a half million Americans, right?

00:52:22.000 Yes.

00:52:23.000 And so people often go, who picks strawberries?

00:52:25.000 People who are here.

00:52:26.000 Hispanic people aren't the only people who will pick strawberries.

00:52:29.000 And Hispanic people aren't, you know who mowed lawns? 0.99

00:52:31.000 In Canada, I did snowblowing, which sucks way more, shoveling lockwise. 0.95

00:52:34.000 I'd much rather mow lawns.

00:52:35.000 I did those jobs.

00:52:36.000 Plenty of Americans did those jobs.

00:52:37.000 But the argument used to be, who's going to do these low-skill jobs?

00:52:41.000 Now the argument, if you look at H-1Bs, is, well, there aren't enough skilled Americans to do tech jobs and engineering jobs.

00:52:47.000 So the average American tech worker, for example, in Palo Alto might cost about $120,000.

00:52:53.000 Let's do it for $70,000 if someone skims off the top.

00:52:55.000 And now we have illegal aliens, for example, taking truck driving jobs. 0.65

00:52:59.000 That's a middle-skilled job that pays well and an American would take to support his family.

00:53:03.000 And we're told that, no, Americans won't do those jobs.

00:53:06.000 So I think we agree.

00:53:06.000 This idea that Americans won't do them is just not true.

00:53:09.000 And it's not that immigrants will only do one form of job.

00:53:12.000 I just think the priority needs to be to people who are here struggling because we're a country and we need to place our countrymen and women first.

00:53:20.000 Right.

00:53:21.000 I think, you know, America right now is kind of at a point in time where it's relatively unsafe, but I think both you and I agree we want a safe America.

00:53:31.000 Yeah, and we want to prioritize that.

00:53:33.000 Even if it is towards American citizens first, you know, that's fine. 0.91

00:53:36.000 I get that.

00:53:36.000 Like, I am an American citizen myself.

00:53:39.000 You know, and I'm actually a senior graduate in this May, so I'm going to be entering the job market and I'm going to be in that relative same position.

00:53:47.000 And what are you studying?

00:53:48.000 Finance.

00:53:49.000 Finance.

00:53:49.000 Okay.

00:53:50.000 So what do you plan on doing in finance?

00:53:52.000 Right now I plan on going into commercial real estate or wealth management.

00:53:55.000 Okay.

00:53:56.000 Those two very different areas.

00:53:57.000 Yeah, I know.

00:53:58.000 Because commercial real estate, like every lady named Becky is in commercial real estate these days, but then obviously in wealth management, that requires a little more specialty. 1.00

00:54:06.000 Certainly.

00:54:07.000 So I say that because commercial real estate, I really enjoy speaking and honestly, like I enjoy a great debate as well.

00:54:12.000 So that's pretty awesome.

00:54:14.000 But aside from that, I have like a relative interest in commercial real estate, but wealth management, it's like if you look at the industry right now, it's like a lot of these older dudes are kind of like retiring from it.

00:54:24.000 And I think commercial real estate is like a lot of older dudes are holding on to their money.

00:54:29.000 Well, let me ask you this.

00:54:30.000 So let's take that scenario.

00:54:31.000 And I'm not super familiar with it, but I assume you're accurate.

00:54:35.000 Those people are retiring.

00:54:37.000 Yes.

00:54:38.000 What would you think about people being brought in to do those jobs on H-1Bs at 30% lower wages than you would need to live?

00:54:45.000 Quite frankly, it probably pissed me off.

00:54:47.000 Yeah, because that's happening across this country, right?

00:54:49.000 Yes, sir.

00:54:50.000 Do you think that that is compassionate or right?

00:54:54.000 Or do you think that obviously looking out for the interests of you, who's gone through this the right way and gone to school and studied, that you should be given priority as far as your best interest.

00:55:04.000 Someone could just say, you know what?

00:55:05.000 Yeah, great, we would hire you, but this person named Prandeep from India is going to do it for $40,000 less.

00:55:13.000 I mean, that's a difficult question to answer.

00:55:16.000 I'm going to put a scenario, for example, when I was waiting in line to speak with you, I was at the very back and then I just kind of was given priority.

00:55:22.000 Well, because many people come up and they agree.

00:55:24.000 And I was told, I was like, is there anyone who disagrees?

00:55:26.000 And they said, well, this person's parents are immigrants, so he might disagree.

00:55:30.000 So I don't know.

00:55:32.000 I mean, Lane is Aryan, so maybe it was tokenism on his part.

00:55:35.000 But a lot of people agree.

00:55:37.000 So I try and give right away to people who disagree.

00:55:39.000 Okay, okay.

00:55:39.000 Well, see, well, that's a perfect example because I was automatically given priority just because I disagree.

00:55:46.000 And that's kind of playing into this scenario where it's like, should these people be given priority or should I be given priority?

00:55:53.000 Really?

00:55:53.000 The people who are willing to do the job cheaper.

00:55:57.000 Should they be given priority or should me, the American citizen, be given priority?

00:56:01.000 It's a difficult question.

00:56:03.000 It's not difficult if, do you want to have a United States?

00:56:06.000 I do, yeah.

00:56:06.000 Okay, well, then you've answered the question.

00:56:08.000 So, right?

00:56:09.000 Yes.

00:56:10.000 Do you want it to be India? 1.00

00:56:12.000 No.

00:56:12.000 Do you want it to be, even though I know you're, do you want the United States to be Mexico?

00:56:15.000 No.

00:56:15.000 I know your parents don't.

00:56:16.000 That's why they came.

00:56:17.000 So it's a pretty clear answer.

00:56:18.000 Of course.

00:56:19.000 Look out for America's interests.

00:56:20.000 And isn't it great that a very white person and a brown person can agree on that?

00:56:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:27.000 Because the media says that view is racist.

00:56:29.000 American versus racist.

00:56:30.000 Well, that means all people who are here.

00:56:32.000 But I don't want this country to be India. 1.00

00:56:34.000 And I want this country to be Mexico. 1.00

00:56:35.000 I think we're a better country.

00:56:37.000 And I think it's better for, by the way, I think that India and Mexico would do better to emulate America as opposed to what they're doing. 0.96

00:56:43.000 Right, certainly.

00:56:44.000 I mean, yeah, I never, I hate that people try to make it like white versus brown because I'm not even seeing it like that, you know?

00:56:50.000 Yeah.

00:56:50.000 And I think a lot of people do tend to see things that way: white versus black, white versus brown.

00:56:55.000 But it's like, no, we can have a civil conversation like we are right now without having to bring up all the all this other extra BS.

00:57:03.000 Well, I will say it is relevant in this sense, and I think it's fair for people to say it's relevant.

00:57:08.000 If someone comes here from what is effectively a third world country compared to the United States, I would classify most of Mexico that way. 0.99

00:57:16.000 Not everyone, but people live in abject poverty that Americans can't imagine.

00:57:19.000 That's fair.

00:57:19.000 And same thing in India, of course, one of the poorest countries on earth.

00:57:22.000 I think if they come here and they don't share fundamental values and they don't share a common language and they send their money back to the other country, I think that's relevant. 0.91

00:57:32.000 And I think Americans are tired of it.

00:57:33.000 And I think that Americans, yeah, they want to preserve a culture, but they do take race into account when they go, oh, hold on a second.

00:57:40.000 We're noticing the pattern of people coming here, taking advantage of our services, our good graces, and using their empathy against us.

00:57:46.000 I kind of want to have neighbors that speak my language and share my culture, right?

00:57:51.000 I mean, it doesn't have to be like Japan, where it's such a high-trust society because everyone looks the same.

00:57:56.000 They got 3% immigrants have to go right away. 1.00

00:57:59.000 And they started deporting them.

00:58:01.000 But I think it's relevant.

00:58:03.000 I really do.

00:58:04.000 Okay, well, in that case, I mean, wouldn't you say, like, you should, I guess, like, I really do appreciate that, but at the same time, I'm like, America, we kind of used to like embrace and admire, and I'm not saying we still do, but a little less to a degree.

00:58:15.000 We used to admire being such a boiling pot, and now it kind of seems like we are straying away from that.

00:58:20.000 Of course, you want to have a neighbor and share the same culture.

00:58:23.000 Yeah, it is frustrating when you go to the gas station and you can't understand the colour you're speaking with.

00:58:28.000 You know, I 100% get it.

00:58:30.000 And it shouldn't be allowed, in my opinion.

00:58:32.000 It shouldn't be allowed.

00:58:33.000 What should not be allowed?

00:58:34.000 People coming here and not learning a language.

00:58:37.000 And I don't think that people should be allowed to come here and send all their money back to the country they fled.

00:58:42.000 When people say asylum, I go, well, then why are you sending 60, 70% of your money back?

00:58:46.000 You know who doesn't do that?

00:58:47.000 Cuban Americans.

00:58:48.000 You know who doesn't do that?

00:58:50.000 Russian Americans who fled the USSR.

00:58:52.000 They don't want to send money there.

00:58:53.000 So I don't think it's a legitimate claim if someone is coming here from Mexico working a seasonal job and sending their money back to Mexico.

00:58:59.000 That benefits Americans zero. 0.59

00:59:02.000 And it is a net harm, not only economically, but culturally.

00:59:06.000 I've seen public opinion shift because I think Americans were very open-minded, but they're going, you know what?

00:59:11.000 This doesn't feel like the country.

00:59:13.000 What is American?

00:59:14.000 I'm patriotic.

00:59:15.000 But what does that mean?

00:59:16.000 Patriotic to what?

00:59:18.000 To not a shared language, to people who wave the flag of a foreign nation on our national holidays. 0.68

00:59:24.000 I think that's relevant.

00:59:26.000 Right.

00:59:27.000 Well, if I'm not mistaken, learning English is not a requirement, although it probably should be.

00:59:31.000 I think it should be.

00:59:32.000 It probably should be, you know, but as of right now, that's not the America we live in.

00:59:36.000 No, it is in Mexico.

00:59:38.000 Not English, but Spanish.

00:59:39.000 Right, right.

00:59:39.000 You're not allowed to own waterfront property.

00:59:41.000 Even if you're a legal immigrant in Mexico, you're not allowed to protest.

00:59:45.000 There are additional taxes.

00:59:46.000 We have a very lenient immigration policy. 0.98

00:59:48.000 So when a place like Mexico would not afford me, as a legal immigrant, the same rights as someone there, and we're saying, yeah, you know what, we'll just, I guess we'll give you a pass and amnesty, it's foolish.

01:00:00.000 And if your family loves America, and that's, I think, what this broader conversation is.

01:00:04.000 If we want America to be a country, if we think it's a great country, well, what makes it great?

01:00:09.000 And that doesn't mean melanin in the skin, but it does mean shared values.

01:00:13.000 And we haven't been requiring that of immigrants, legal and illegal in this country. 0.99

01:00:19.000 And I propose that we shift direction right now.

01:00:22.000 We need to share more common ground.

01:00:23.000 So in that case, which I mostly agree with, what is a realistic solution to that?

01:00:31.000 So I think we need to have, well, we have Donald Trump was signed into executive order an official language, which means we've caught up to India.

01:00:38.000 They have English as an official language there, an official language.

01:00:42.000 I think that at this point, we actually should be quite selective in the immigrants legal who are allowed here.

01:00:48.000 They should be judged on the criteria of is this a net benefit to the country?

01:00:53.000 Not, hey, do we have to do the nice thing and allow everyone here?

01:00:57.000 I think that's how our immigration policy should exist.

01:01:00.000 And I think that states can have reforms and they have, for example, requiring customer service being in English.

01:01:06.000 I think a culture of these expectations is reasonable.

01:01:10.000 And people who come here legally, like for example, my mom is French-Canadian.

01:01:14.000 My dad is born in Detroit.

01:01:16.000 She learned English, didn't speak a word of it.

01:01:18.000 She learned English.

01:01:19.000 She loves America.

01:01:20.000 She's gone through the process.

01:01:22.000 Now, imagine her, she's French, right? 0.99

01:01:24.000 She learned English.

01:01:25.000 And she comes here, and she can't share a common language because that person only speaks Spanish or only speaks whatever it is, Farsi, whatever it is.

01:01:33.000 She's furious.

01:01:35.000 Funny, my lady, and a feminist got mad that I said my lady. 1.00

01:01:37.000 She that's possessive. 1.00

01:01:38.000 My lady is Latina.

01:01:40.000 She's Brazilian, but was raised by a Cuban-American mom, so she speaks Portuguese, Spanish, and English.

01:01:45.000 And she went through the process, and she's furious when she asks someone who won't speak English.

01:01:52.000 She's like, I did it.

01:01:53.000 So I don't think it's a lot to ask.

01:01:55.000 I think our approach needs to be not only an official language, but also an expectation of all Americans.

01:02:00.000 We're going to have another topic, SNAP.

01:02:03.000 I think we should do away with SNAP.

01:02:05.000 I think if you are not a contributing member of society, you shouldn't be given the same level of freedoms as those who are working and struggling in society and building.

01:02:16.000 Let me put it this way.

01:02:17.000 It's the difference between building a country and taking from a country.

01:02:20.000 When we talk about immigrants in the early 20th century, that's often people think Ellis Island, right, just as an example.

01:02:26.000 Italians, Germans, Irish, they weren't from Mars and Venus.

01:02:31.000 They came here, they learned English, right?

01:02:32.000 Nothing but a nickel in my pocket.

01:02:34.000 They built the Empire State Building and paid taxes, and we're happy to do it.

01:02:38.000 If people come here now who work off the books, don't speak the language, and can't even communicate with their neighbors.

01:02:44.000 We have to get back to that.

01:02:45.000 This is a golden ticket, and it should be valued.

01:02:47.000 And I think it's been taken advantage of.

01:02:50.000 I mean, it is, I do think living in America is, it's, in my opinion, it is a privilege.

01:02:55.000 Like, I'm happy I'm here and that, you know, I don't have to look over my shoulder wondering, you know, where my next meal is going to come or wondering who's trying to hunt me down.

01:03:04.000 I'm not going up against the cartel here.

01:03:06.000 Right.

01:03:06.000 You know, like, I don't have to worry about it to that extent.

01:03:09.000 But I do think it's kind of...

01:03:11.000 No, no, no, probably.

01:03:13.000 I do think it's like, you get all these, like, I agree with a lot of your statements, but I don't know where, I don't know how we do that, like, realistically.

01:03:22.000 Is it from deporting all peoples?

01:03:25.000 Yeah.

01:03:26.000 And here's why.

01:03:26.000 And that's the policy.

01:03:27.000 So for example, right now, people see it and they go, oh, ICE.

01:03:31.000 Well, I've said to people, and I think since we agree, I can just present it to you very, very transparently.

01:03:37.000 Right now, if you're here illegally, you can self-deport the CBP1 app.

01:03:41.000 They'll pay for your flight.

01:03:42.000 They'll give you $1,000 cash to go back to your country of origin, come back through the right way. 0.99

01:03:45.000 If you don't, they're going to deport you.

01:03:47.000 I think that's very fair.

01:03:48.000 And I think the process should include, like I said, for legal immigration, language, or includes civics, but not language.

01:03:56.000 My mom, when she went through the process, French can give you an idea.

01:03:58.000 She was going through a naturalization process.

01:04:00.000 Someone was there and had to have an interpreter.

01:04:05.000 Does that seem right to you?

01:04:07.000 I mean, I'm not going to answer that.

01:04:09.000 Yes.

01:04:10.000 I mean, I'm sorry.

01:04:10.000 I'm sorry.

01:04:11.000 It does not seem right.

01:04:12.000 Because she's French.

01:04:13.000 She learned the language.

01:04:14.000 She learned the language.

01:04:14.000 And she put on her Sunday best, right?

01:04:16.000 She was proud to do it.

01:04:18.000 And there was someone there who looked like they couldn't care less, who couldn't speak the language.

01:04:22.000 And you're going to have a more divided America until we acknowledge that these grievances are real and people want to preserve something special.

01:04:30.000 But yeah, I think we've been doing it the other way.

01:04:33.000 Granting amnesty, right?

01:04:35.000 Being very lenient, open borders, and all of this was opposed.

01:04:39.000 Now we have 99% reduction, 99.9, I think, percent reduction in interactions at the border.

01:04:44.000 So it can be done.

01:04:45.000 We were told it couldn't be done.

01:04:47.000 A lot of people have self-deported because the message has been sent loud and clear.

01:04:51.000 I think the messaging as far as the culture, what the expectations are, and reflected through policy, is a good start.

01:04:58.000 And I just don't see anything wrong with someone who's here illegally, who, if they go back to their country of origin, all cultures are equal and come back through the process that everyone else has to go through.

01:05:07.000 I think it's, people might say that's not compassion.

01:05:11.000 I just don't agree.

01:05:13.000 And that's fine.

01:05:14.000 I guess the last point here for me.

01:05:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:05:16.000 Do you see anything wrong, which it seems like you do?

01:05:20.000 For example, you take, let's say, a father of two kids.

01:05:22.000 It really doesn't matter.

01:05:24.000 Let's say an illegal immigrant's been here for 20 years. 0.99

01:05:28.000 Been paying taxes during those 20 years and knows the language, but just as undocumented.

01:05:34.000 Do you think there's an issue with the thing, because I know that people will then invariably go to what about the kids where it's not, and it's true. 0.87

01:05:42.000 My heart does go out to those kids.

01:05:44.000 They didn't commit any misdeed.

01:05:45.000 Their parents did.

01:05:47.000 Their parents absolutely did.

01:05:48.000 And this went back to the conversation, right?

01:05:50.000 Well, Reagan granted amnesty to 3 million illegal aliens.

01:05:53.000 Disaster, because now that number is up by 450%.

01:05:56.000 Didn't work.

01:05:57.000 It only encouraged more.

01:05:58.000 And so you do have to look at a certain point, right?

01:06:01.000 What about this individual?

01:06:02.000 You go, okay, let's look at the totality.

01:06:04.000 Are we enabling the human trafficking trade?

01:06:07.000 Yes.

01:06:08.000 Are we enabling coyotes?

01:06:09.000 Yes.

01:06:10.000 Are we enabling the cartel?

01:06:11.000 Yes.

01:06:11.000 Are we enabling the erosion of our culture through this policy?

01:06:15.000 Because the debate was, what about anchor bait?

01:06:16.000 What about DREAMers? 1.00

01:06:18.000 And people said, okay.

01:06:19.000 Then the left said, you're not allowed to deport violent felons in our current prisons.

01:06:24.000 So their approach has been an absolute approach, and I think it's been irreparably harmful.

01:06:30.000 So yeah, now mine is pretty absolutist.

01:06:33.000 It's, yeah, look, they committed a misdeed, the parents.

01:06:35.000 The good news is you can go through the process and come here legally.

01:06:39.000 I'm not saying it's going to be ideal for everyone, but it's going to be applicable and appropriate, I would say, for the overwhelming majority and better for the country.

01:06:48.000 And better for these other countries, by the way.

01:06:50.000 It's not good for people in Mexico to have these.

01:06:52.000 I mean, it enables all kinds of horrible things to have open borders policy.

01:06:56.000 Of course, and I do like, I don't want anyone to think, you know, a lot of Mexicans, for example, which I'm going back to that because that's obviously what my background is, but I don't want people to look at Mexicans and see us as felons or any of these bad, negative felons.

01:07:12.000 No, I definitely don't.

01:07:14.000 I definitely would agree with having like settled legals that are felons being deplorable. 0.99

01:07:19.000 Yeah.

01:07:20.000 I don't want us to have that sort of image.

01:07:23.000 I will tell you this, though.

01:07:24.000 And I don't think most people do.

01:07:24.000 No, I absolutely don't.

01:07:27.000 If I have an interaction with a Mexican-American immigrant and they don't speak the language, I immediately think of them as less American. 1.00

01:07:33.000 That's my opinion.

01:07:34.000 And so does my Latina lady. 1.00

01:07:37.000 She'll hear Mexican ladies talking shit on her because she kind of looks white. 1.00

01:07:41.000 She's Portuguese, Brazilian Portuguese, so she looks more white. 1.00

01:07:44.000 And they will think she doesn't speak and they'll just talk all kinds of crap on her. 1.00

01:07:46.000 And she one time's like, you know, I would never say that about them.

01:07:49.000 But she goes, but if I hear someone not speaking the language that I had to learn, why are we citizens of the same country?

01:07:56.000 Why am I expected to?

01:07:57.000 So I will say, it's not brown.

01:08:00.000 It's, oh, this person has made no effort to respect what makes his country great.

01:08:05.000 Is that fair?

01:08:06.000 Do you think that's racist if it's language and culture-based?

01:08:10.000 Perfectly clear.

01:08:10.000 And I really appreciate you saying less American as opposed to less human.

01:08:15.000 Yeah, no, of course.

01:08:16.000 You're not less human.

01:08:16.000 I would really appreciate that.

01:08:17.000 No, we're all human beings created in the eyes of God.

01:08:20.000 But less American.

01:08:20.000 Yeah.

01:08:21.000 I appreciate that.

01:08:22.000 I see someone who, and I certainly see someone waving the Mexican flag as less American than the person waving the American flag. 0.82

01:08:29.000 And I want my neighbors, by the way, I have Hispanic neighbors who wave the American flag. 0.94

01:08:34.000 I mean, you go to Little Havana in Miami, those Cuban Americans, they're hardcore. 1.00

01:08:37.000 You see American flags everywhere.

01:08:38.000 I think of them as American as can be.

01:08:40.000 But if someone is waving a foreign nation flag, I'm not saying they should be jailed like they would in other countries, like they would in almost all other countries, but I do view them as less American. 1.00

01:08:50.000 That's fine.

01:08:50.000 And I mean, I guess our freedoms that we're given here do allow us to do such things.

01:08:57.000 I'm not saying I partake in that particular country in particular.

01:09:00.000 And I get it if you have both and you want to celebrate your heritage.

01:09:03.000 Give me an idea.

01:09:04.000 I go to a good example, Armenians. 0.81

01:09:08.000 I've been going to an Armenian Orthodox church.

01:09:09.000 It doesn't mean I've converted, but I just, I like the priest there.

01:09:12.000 He's very nice man.

01:09:14.000 So these people, right, it's one of the oldest languages in existence.

01:09:18.000 And you want to talk persecution, the Armenians.

01:09:20.000 Everyone's trying to wipe them off the face of the map, right?

01:09:22.000 They faced a real genocide.

01:09:24.000 And they deliver the service in both Armenian and English.

01:09:28.000 And it takes twice as long.

01:09:30.000 Even though they're here and it's for the Armenian community, they're very grateful to be American and very welcoming.

01:09:35.000 And that's a perfect example of preserving their culture, respecting their heritage, but acknowledging this is the country that gave us the opportunity to escape that.

01:09:44.000 It's not like we don't have examples.

01:09:46.000 We have plenty.

01:09:46.000 And I think it's by design where people flagrantly disrespected it.

01:09:50.000 Not everyone, but a lot of people do.

01:09:53.000 I think that's fair.

01:09:54.000 I mean, at least we can both agree that we want to save America.

01:09:58.000 Yeah.

01:09:58.000 And I hope you do well.

01:09:59.000 And I hope you don't get undercut by an H-1B. 1.00

01:10:03.000 Even people on the right, Elon Mutt, like their policies and I completely disagree with.

01:10:06.000 I'm like, no, no, we don't need to uncap H-1Bs because then it just ends up whoever's cheapest. 0.99

01:10:11.000 And then you can't have a country.

01:10:13.000 That's fair.

01:10:14.000 Thank you for your time, Mr. Crowder.

01:10:15.000 Thank you, but I appreciate it.

01:10:16.000 Yes, sir.

01:10:16.000 Do you mind if I grab a push?

01:10:18.000 Absolutely.

01:10:18.000 Yeah, yeah, sure.

01:10:18.000 No problem.

01:10:20.000 Oh, now we're at that golden hour where it's nothing but glare on our eyes.

01:10:23.000 Oh, my goodness.

01:10:24.000 I got to send them up then, so I got it.

01:10:32.000 Thank you, man.

01:10:33.000 Appreciate it.

01:10:34.000 Thank you.

01:10:34.000 Be well.

01:10:35.000 Enjoy the rest of your day.

01:10:36.000 Thank you, you too.

01:10:37.000 I appreciate it.

01:10:38.000 Well, there you have it.

01:10:40.000 Maybe, hopefully, some minds were changed.

01:10:44.000 Or, at the very least, people left with some new ideas to consider.

01:10:48.000 Although I'm not sure how much considering Savannah is going to do going forward, but how about you?

01:10:55.000 Anything new?

01:10:56.000 Your mind change at all?

01:10:58.000 Any new ideas?

01:10:58.000 Let me know.

01:11:00.000 And don't forget to join me next Monday, November 17th, for part two, where we dive into Snap EBT.

01:11:08.000 And while there really is some great conversation, it also absolutely goes off the rails, including an appearance by this.

01:11:17.000 We must do it.

01:11:18.000 Whatever.

01:11:19.000 All right, do you mind if I ask you to scooch in for the camera?

01:11:21.000 I know it's going to be hard to navigate with a mascot head.

01:11:25.000 Is this your furry name or your biological name?

Louder with Crowder - November 10, 2025

Deport All Illegals | Change My Mind

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