Louder with Crowder - October 28, 2026


DEVIL’S ADVOCATE: Rachel Wilson vs. Skyler Turden Debate Feminism! | Louder with Crowder

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00:02:35.000 Devil's Advocate with Skyler Turden.
00:02:44.000 Welcome back.
00:02:45.000 It's been a long time.
00:02:46.000 I haven't done these in a while.
00:02:47.000 Devil's Advocate.
00:02:48.000 I am your host, but really more so volunteer as tribute because since I've been here, there's been a lot of proliferation online with right wing propaganda and people even hosting like the VP or even like the president.
00:03:06.000 So I think it's time to push back.
00:03:07.000 I was gone for a while because I had.
00:03:09.000 Um, an autoimmune condition, and it was collecting disability for a little while.
00:03:14.000 Uh, which of course is a social safety net.
00:03:17.000 Let's get right to it. 1.00
00:03:19.000 Our guest today would remove the self loathing woman in Chieftain, uh, who wrote the book. 0.99
00:03:30.000 Well, it's Miss Rachel Wilson. 0.99
00:03:33.000 Uh, we're going to be arguing today universal suffrage, feminism, and why and why you hate women.
00:03:39.000 But you brought your book, so people, I don't want to touch it.
00:03:42.000 Yes, I did.
00:03:43.000 I brought the book. 0.94
00:03:45.000 It's Occult Feminism, the Secret of.
00:03:48.000 Oh, the thing like Oculus.
00:03:49.000 I worked in tech for a bit. 0.75
00:03:51.000 Occult Feminism, the Secret History of Women's Liberation. 0.87
00:03:55.000 All right. 0.65
00:03:56.000 And where can people buy it?
00:03:57.000 It's available on Amazon.
00:03:59.000 Okay.
00:04:00.000 You can get it like on Etsy.
00:04:01.000 No, it's not on Etsy.
00:04:02.000 All right.
00:04:03.000 Sorry.
00:04:03.000 Nothing like serving the corporate overlords, which will be probably something we'll get into.
00:04:08.000 So, what's the secret history?
00:04:11.000 It seems to me pretty straightforward. 1.00
00:04:12.000 Women wanted. 1.00
00:04:14.000 I'm in riots, right? 1.00
00:04:16.000 They're like, hey, we don't want to be sold as, you know, chattel.
00:04:20.000 But you say there's a big secret behind it.
00:04:22.000 Yeah, it actually, the book has two meanings.
00:04:25.000 A cult just means hidden.
00:04:26.000 So there's actually a hidden part of women's liberation history that you don't get from the gender studies programs and that most people don't know about.
00:04:34.000 So there's a lot of prevailing myths, like the one that you just mentioned, that, you know, hey, just women just wanted rights and they were enslaved and they looked around and decided we need to liberate ourselves.
00:04:44.000 That's not really what happened.
00:04:46.000 Yeah.
00:04:46.000 That, No, we found common ground.
00:04:49.000 That's what happened.
00:04:50.000 No, that's not what happened.
00:04:52.000 Actually, that's not what happened.
00:04:53.000 So, maybe you're not aware of this, but they actually did referendums before the 19th Amendment asking women if they wanted the right to vote.
00:05:02.000 And the very few who even bothered to come out and vote in the referendums, only about 4% of them, at least in Massachusetts, did want to vote.
00:05:10.000 Yeah.
00:05:11.000 I don't know who cited that.
00:05:12.000 I want to get to the point that, like, it's not a really large sample size, right?
00:05:16.000 Right.
00:05:16.000 By a small place.
00:05:17.000 And I'm crying out loud, they weren't super advanced. 1.00
00:05:19.000 But I call those 4% heroins. 1.00
00:05:25.000 Well, I think.
00:05:26.000 Or I think, well, heroes, because they can also, they could be heroes, they could be heroines, whatever it is that they want.
00:05:31.000 Well, let's call them heroes, because if you pay attention to Susan B. Anthony, the kind of the, you know, queen of suffrage in the United States, who.
00:05:40.000 Queen B. You look at her, she could have been a hero rather than a heroine.
00:05:44.000 You know, she looks like, you know, maybe she was a hero rather than a heroine.
00:05:48.000 Right.
00:05:49.000 But that aside, if you ask her, she would actually agree with me.
00:05:52.000 In her own history of women's suffrage, she lamented. 0.71
00:05:55.000 That she had the least amount of support from women and more support from men for women's suffrage, and that women actually had pretty much everything they wanted.
00:06:03.000 She said they can go to school, they have access to universities, they can work outside the home if they choose to, although most of them don't want to. 0.74
00:06:11.000 It's not practical.
00:06:12.000 And they consider their lives so comfortable and well provided that they just seem to have no interest in suffrage.
00:06:19.000 And so we're going to have to convince them that they're oppressed.
00:06:22.000 She literally says that right in her own memoirs.
00:06:24.000 Yeah, but that's just, I mean, she made Queen Bay Anthony, you know.
00:06:28.000 As you may be, that's just one person.
00:06:30.000 You vote, right?
00:06:32.000 Yes.
00:06:34.000 I mean, we could just end it out.
00:06:35.000 I'll rest my case.
00:06:37.000 I can see why you would think that's hypocritical, but let me explain. 1.00
00:06:41.000 I vote because I have to cancel the vote of a feminist somewhere.
00:06:46.000 And so my husband tells me to vote. 0.58
00:06:49.000 And so I vote to double my husband's vote.
00:06:52.000 You could think of it that way too, if that's more palatable.
00:06:55.000 Either to double my husband's vote or to cancel the vote of a feminist. 1.00
00:06:58.000 Now, if I Could make a deal if I had a genie in a bottle and it said, Rachel, if you give up your right to vote, none of the other women can vote either. 0.93
00:07:07.000 I would make that deal in a heartbeat. 0.99
00:07:09.000 Okay, so it's just like the old ends justify the means.
00:07:13.000 But you like your vote while you have it.
00:07:16.000 Well, it's not really a matter of whether I like it.
00:07:17.000 I'll put that one on there for a second.
00:07:21.000 Not that, you know, I keep score.
00:07:22.000 I think the score can be very destructive, obviously, to self esteem, but I do think it's mad.
00:07:26.000 And this one where it does matter.
00:07:29.000 Do you like you mentioned? 0.76
00:07:31.000 I know that you have this talking point where you go out and you say, Well, actually, a lot of women didn't really want the right to vote. 0.64
00:07:37.000 Who was running? 0.98
00:07:38.000 Who was conducting the polls?
00:07:41.000 Yeah, wait, what do you mean?
00:07:42.000 Who was conducting the polls?
00:07:44.000 Well, asking the woman if you want a right to vote was it like it could have been some guy just burned someone like a witch?
00:07:49.000 Like, are you sure about that vote?
00:07:50.000 Well, you know, it's funny that you said about that vote.
00:07:52.000 She's like, No, well, Skylar, here's the thing is that actually it was the National Women's Suffrage Association who stopped having referendums at all, they actually.
00:08:03.000 Put a stop to asking women whether they wanted the vote because the women kept saying no.
00:08:07.000 And they said, This is disastrous for our suffrage campaign. 0.96
00:08:12.000 So stop asking the women if they want to vote.
00:08:14.000 They don't, they literally said they don't know what's good for them. 0.98
00:08:16.000 Well, okay.
00:08:17.000 First off, I think you do this a lot like you flood the zone, right?
00:08:22.000 Because I can't fact check all that, but we'll do like, you know, it does a solid job.
00:08:26.000 We'll do like Jubilee.
00:08:26.000 We'll put up fact checks afterward.
00:08:30.000 You know, like a legitimate media outfit.
00:08:35.000 But it still seems to me.
00:08:36.000 Let me ask you this before we go on, because you got a lot of detail.
00:08:39.000 It's very impressive.
00:08:40.000 But is your husband making you say this, first of all?
00:08:44.000 No.
00:08:46.000 I mean, I know you probably wish that was true, but no.
00:08:50.000 I guess we'll never know.
00:08:52.000 In fact, there'd be no way.
00:08:53.000 People have this idea that, you know, my husband is this mean guy and he's somehow like, you know, pulling my puppet strings.
00:09:00.000 But what happens when fellas like you sit down with me for interviews like this, hoping to get a gotcha, you know, like with your vocal and whatever, is that they find out that Andrew's actually the nice Wilson.
00:09:13.000 And if either of us would be like the misogynist extremist, it probably would be me.
00:09:19.000 So I don't know about that.
00:09:21.000 Let me ask you this.
00:09:21.000 So, are you actually saying, before we get to the details as to how you make the case, What's your goal?
00:09:28.000 You don't want women to have equal rights. 1.00
00:09:33.000 Correct. 1.00
00:09:34.000 I'll tell you what my goal is. 0.98
00:09:35.000 So, I believe that Christian patriarchy is by far the best system for women to live under for a few reasons. 0.71
00:09:42.000 No, no, you must admit patriarchy is a bad word.
00:09:46.000 Well, it's been made into a bad word, certainly.
00:09:48.000 But if you are aware, there was a much larger number of anti suffrage women than there were pro suffrage women for most of the Pre suffrage era.
00:09:59.000 It was only right before the 19th passed that they started to even get close to being on equal footing. 0.90
00:10:05.000 And most of the women arguing against suffrage wanted to keep the protections and provisions they were enjoying under patriarchy. 0.60
00:10:14.000 They understood the biological and ontological differences between the sexes and that they actually were the main benefactors of patriarchy. 0.69
00:10:22.000 Well, again, you keep saying that.
00:10:23.000 I don't think you know what that means.
00:10:26.000 You wouldn't say patriarchy with a smile, which Fine.
00:10:29.000 Like, I know we sometimes we, you know.
00:10:31.000 What do you think patriarchy means, Skylar? 1.00
00:10:33.000 It's where women were treated basically like cattle. 1.00
00:10:37.000 They were treated like objects. 1.00
00:10:39.000 I mean, there was this, there was erasure.
00:10:42.000 I'm sure you're familiar with that.
00:10:43.000 Yeah.
00:10:43.000 Erasure.
00:10:46.000 I think Arnold even spoke about it or did a film about it where it was about women not really having, I mean, you have to acknowledge like women couldn't do anything without their husband before that.
00:10:56.000 So maybe the polling was low because.
00:10:59.000 No one asked them.
00:11:00.000 They hadn't thought about it before.
00:11:01.000 And then I'm like, wow, whoa, we could.
00:11:04.000 We don't have to be, you know, like breeding stock.
00:11:08.000 Well, it's interesting that you say that because there were states that women were allowed to vote in prior to the 19th Amendment. 0.99
00:11:14.000 Women were, in fact, allowed to inherit property and keep their property when they went into a marriage.
00:11:21.000 There were laws in New York that a man could not sell his wife's property after entering the marriage without her express consent.
00:11:28.000 And she even had to go before. 0.76
00:11:30.000 Sure, yes. 1.00
00:11:31.000 She even had to go before a judge and.
00:11:34.000 Testify that she was not even being coerced or pressured by her husband into selling the property that she entered the marriage with.
00:11:41.000 And in the case that there was a divorce for any reason, she would leave the marriage with the same property that she came into. 0.98
00:11:47.000 So it's another pervasive myth that women couldn't do anything, didn't have access to things before suffrage. 1.00
00:11:53.000 And this is due to feminist framing. 1.00
00:11:55.000 So you'll hear feminists like you say things like, oh, women were denied an education before feminism, which is not true.
00:12:03.000 Some of the first colleges and seminaries in the United States. 1.00
00:12:06.000 Were for women.
00:12:07.000 And what they'll do is they'll frame that as.
00:12:09.000 Which is fine as long as it's not a forced seminary.
00:12:12.000 Well, they'll frame it in such a way to make it sound like because it was not co ed or because there may be some programs that women were excluded from, that women just couldn't be educated or couldn't go to college when that's not true at all.
00:12:26.000 There were women's programs that men were excluded from as well.
00:12:29.000 So to get the proper history, you always have to look back and kind of remove the feminist framing and make sure you're not doing a presentism fallacy, which is.
00:12:39.000 Taking your liberal 2026 black rimmed eyes and looking back into history and projecting your current beliefs onto the time period.
00:12:48.000 Well, I think you got a lot of egg on your face already because I'm not a liberal.
00:12:52.000 I want to leave the liberal party.
00:12:53.000 Let me guess.
00:12:54.000 Let me guess.
00:12:55.000 Registered independent?
00:12:58.000 No.
00:12:59.000 Libertarian?
00:13:00.000 I don't look.
00:13:01.000 I don't have to answer to you, but the liberal party left me.
00:13:05.000 I don't leave them.
00:13:06.000 You would consider me more progressive.
00:13:11.000 But liberal has some bad connotations.
00:13:13.000 I think you just do this thing where you take it's like opposite day.
00:13:18.000 You ever do like in school where you wear your clothes backwards?
00:13:20.000 That's like what you do where you go, oh, yeah, patriarchy, feminism. 1.00
00:13:25.000 When you should flip it, feminism is, you know, it should have the smile and patriarchy should have the frown. 1.00
00:13:31.000 And I'm not supposed to feel like you are pandering or condescending to me with your uterus tattoo there and your meat there. 1.00
00:13:38.000 Oh, you mean the place that incubates the miracle of life?
00:13:42.000 Exactly.
00:13:43.000 Oh, yeah.
00:13:43.000 Well, why would I want that?
00:13:44.000 What would you prefer?
00:13:45.000 I have a tribal tattoo?
00:13:46.000 Well, I would think that if you have a Ben sevenfold, obviously I like before they filled out. 0.95
00:13:54.000 If you like the uterine tattoo and the miracle of childbirth, we might want to talk about the fact that since women's liberation, there's not a whole lot of that going on anymore. 0.77
00:14:06.000 Explain. 0.50
00:14:07.000 So, birth rates are in the toilet.
00:14:10.000 We're not even replacing ourselves as a married couple anymore in this country. 0.99
00:14:15.000 And women just don't seem to think that reproduction matters unless it's the right to destroy a child, who, by the way, 50% of that child belongs to the man as well. 0.93
00:14:27.000 And it's weird because women want reproductive freedom, but men have no say in whether a woman gets to abort their child. 0.93
00:14:33.000 Do you think that that's fair?
00:14:35.000 Well, you just accused me of presentism, but now you're saying, oh, birth rate's going down. 0.73
00:14:39.000 Well, yeah, when you don't force women to bear children, I would assume the birth rate goes down because now they have choice.
00:14:46.000 So you don't think they had a choice before when? 0.87
00:14:49.000 No.
00:14:50.000 No, absolutely not.
00:14:51.000 Okay, at what point? 1.00
00:14:53.000 What would a woman do if a guy, you know, if he. 1.00
00:14:59.000 Deposited the seed of the miracle of life because men can create life. 1.00
00:15:03.000 Only women can create life. 1.00
00:15:04.000 I understand that. 1.00
00:15:05.000 I don't know if that's the most progressive take. 1.00
00:15:07.000 I thought that men could get pregnant. 0.95
00:15:09.000 I thought men could get pregnant now. 0.68
00:15:11.000 Some men, well, they can get pregnant too. 0.99
00:15:14.000 That's the important part, right?
00:15:15.000 You don't take into account the nuance.
00:15:17.000 They can get pregnant too, which means it's an addendum to women get pregnant, but men can get pregnant too.
00:15:27.000 Well, then why the uterus tattoo?
00:15:30.000 Why the ovarian, you know, ovaries and uterus on the floor?
00:15:34.000 Why not put a schlong instead of a schlong?
00:15:36.000 At a certain point, you know, I mean, I don't have the biggest forums.
00:15:39.000 You can only fit so much.
00:15:41.000 But I will, that's a fair point.
00:15:42.000 I will take it into consideration. 0.94
00:15:43.000 But women did not have choice, right? 1.00
00:15:45.000 Before that, you just, if a man wanted to make a baby, they had no recourse for rape.
00:15:51.000 I mean, let's be real about what the world was like pre suffrage. 1.00
00:15:55.000 Women didn't have the same rights in court, they couldn't take out a loan.
00:16:00.000 Talked about them being able to go to schools, but some schools, not other schools, whereas men could enjoy all the schools. 0.63
00:16:07.000 As far as people being charged for sexual violence, it was just commonplace.
00:16:12.000 People beat their wives and no one cared.
00:16:15.000 Yeah, unfortunately, that's another myth. 1.00
00:16:17.000 So people will say this is another feminist framing talking point that because we didn't use the legal term marital rape prior to the 90s, that we didn't have laws against that. 1.00
00:16:28.000 But we did. 1.00
00:16:28.000 They were just covered under battery. 1.00
00:16:31.000 And other types of abuse laws.
00:16:33.000 And we actually have, you can just ask ChatGPT to bring you up prominent cases of men being convicted and imprisoned for beating andor raping their wives prior to the 90s, and it'll give you a whole giant list.
00:16:46.000 So, we did, in fact, imprison and punish men for doing that.
00:16:50.000 It's just that it was called battery or assault.
00:16:53.000 It wasn't called, you know, marital rape. 1.00
00:16:56.000 That was kind of a meaningless feminist legal term, like this big victory of, oh, not calling it what it is. 1.00
00:17:04.000 No. 0.97
00:17:05.000 No, of course.
00:17:06.000 Of course, it's not meaningless.
00:17:09.000 It's just that it was already covered.
00:17:11.000 It was already illegal.
00:17:12.000 It was already being tried and convicted in courts all across the country and in England, even before colonial times.
00:17:17.000 We're talking about like the earliest days of America.
00:17:20.000 There were men who were being tried in court and put in prison for beating or raping their wives.
00:17:26.000 And another thing about that is that this was not some widespread phenomenon that every man was getting drunk every day and raping and beating his wife. 0.68
00:17:34.000 That was actually.
00:17:36.000 It was. 0.99
00:17:36.000 Another propaganda campaign launched by the women's temperance movement to try to get prohibition passed was to. 0.99
00:17:43.000 The men had bad tempers. 0.63
00:17:45.000 Well, I don't know if you've seen the news lately, Skylar, and some of the ladies in the news, like Lindsey Clancy and all of the copycats.
00:17:54.000 Don't even.
00:17:55.000 Look, let's stay back with where you were.
00:17:57.000 Don't even bring that to me without talking about Big Pharma and their culpability.
00:18:01.000 Right. 1.00
00:18:02.000 And I think that all women, I mean, pound all women deserve the right to. 1.00
00:18:08.000 The mental health care. 1.00
00:18:10.000 Is that what your tattoo there says?
00:18:11.000 Pound me too?
00:18:14.000 Yeah, well, at the time, it was.
00:18:16.000 So you're kind of into that?
00:18:17.000 No, I'm not.
00:18:18.000 Look, this is not about me.
00:18:19.000 This is about ideas.
00:18:21.000 And I will say yours are dangerous.
00:18:22.000 They're bad.
00:18:23.000 So I don't want to talk.
00:18:24.000 It's enough about me.
00:18:25.000 We can talk about me after. 0.53
00:18:27.000 But they had bad tempers.
00:18:29.000 And that is how it was.
00:18:31.000 A lot of guys, you could say that they didn't do it, but plenty did and they got away with it. 1.00
00:18:35.000 And now women at least have recourse.
00:18:37.000 I don't want to talk about Lindsay Clancy unless we're talking about mental health for women.
00:18:41.000 Because I don't have their lived experience.
00:18:43.000 As I understand it, having some children, you know, sometimes it makes you want to do some things that you otherwise wouldn't want to do.
00:18:54.000 So, do you think it was the hormones or do you think it was the prescription drugs that she was shopping around to different doctors and getting and willingly taking?
00:19:03.000 What do you think it was that excuses what she did?
00:19:06.000 Look, I think it's the remnants of what you say with.
00:19:11.000 A smile, a patriarchal society where I think it's very difficult.
00:19:14.000 That's a lot of pressure that men like myself can't fully understand.
00:19:18.000 I bet you she is a woman going through a society that was framed through patriarchy for a long time, had some struggles.
00:19:26.000 And, you know, the point is, it's a tragedy all around.
00:19:29.000 There's no winners.
00:19:30.000 They're all, she's a victim.
00:19:30.000 They're all victims.
00:19:31.000 How can we grant women equal rights if they can't ever be held accountable for their actions? 1.00
00:19:37.000 See, this is where I think that feminism becomes really bad for women. 1.00
00:19:40.000 We grant women rights, we tell them what they deserve, and then we don't ever assign any type of Corresponding duties or responsibilities. 1.00
00:19:47.000 There's no accountability. 0.98
00:19:48.000 Like, if women are so hormonal and so injured by the history of the patriarchy that they can't refrain from murdering innocent children, why should we be letting them vote? 1.00
00:19:58.000 Why should we be giving them equal rights with men? 0.99
00:20:02.000 Why should we be enfranchising them at all? 1.00
00:20:05.000 So, you don't want a woman president? 1.00
00:20:07.000 I don't. 1.00
00:20:08.000 I think you're a Schrdinger's feminist. 1.00
00:20:11.000 I think that you like feminism when it suits you, and then when it doesn't, women are victims. 1.00
00:20:17.000 Who are innocent and can't be held responsible. 1.00
00:20:19.000 And I don't think you can have it both ways.
00:20:21.000 I think you have to.
00:20:21.000 I don't think you can say that with a straight face that you don't want a female president.
00:20:25.000 Okay, look, keep the face, keep it straight. 0.99
00:20:27.000 Tell me again. 1.00
00:20:28.000 I don't want a female president. 1.00
00:20:30.000 Well, so now I just think you're evil because you did do it. 1.00
00:20:34.000 I didn't think you'd be able to.
00:20:35.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:20:36.000 Who broke you that you don't want a female president? 1.00
00:20:41.000 That you don't like, you know, that'd be like a black guy wanting to be black. 0.99
00:20:44.000 You know who broke me? 0.95
00:20:46.000 It was Kamala.
00:20:48.000 I couldn't handle the laugh, the cackle, the vocal fry, the tub full of colored greens, the real mature. 0.95
00:20:57.000 You know, all of her gaffes. 0.98
00:20:59.000 I just, after watching her campaign, I mean, it was bad enough watching Hillary campaign. 1.00
00:21:03.000 That was.
00:21:04.000 That almost got me, but the Kamala campaign broke me.
00:21:07.000 And ever since then, I just can't tell. 1.00
00:21:09.000 I can't stomach a woman. 1.00
00:21:11.000 I think the reason you couldn't handle Kamala is a little column A, a little column B. Column B being racism, not just self loving. 1.00
00:21:21.000 What race is Kamala, by the way? 0.72
00:21:22.000 We don't need to get into details because you don't even know.
00:21:25.000 No, it's not one of those.
00:21:27.000 Let me ask you this.
00:21:28.000 You got notes.
00:21:29.000 Hey, I got notes.
00:21:31.000 We can all do notes, but those don't really.
00:21:34.000 Don't need those notes. 1.00
00:21:38.000 Women. 1.00
00:21:40.000 Let's go to today because you'll say, Oh, this is not as bad as people thinking. 0.99
00:21:44.000 You said women could go to college?
00:21:46.000 Yes. 1.00
00:21:46.000 No, they couldn't. 1.00
00:21:48.000 Do you have any way to substantiate that?
00:21:51.000 I'll have a jubilee it up there. 1.00
00:21:53.000 But women now today outvote men every single presidential election. 1.00
00:22:00.000 That's true. 0.95
00:22:02.000 So aren't we at the point where let's assume that everything you say was bad? 1.00
00:22:08.000 Women lied and socialists, whatever, they were the ones who convinced women. 1.00
00:22:13.000 But today in 2026, women outvote. 1.00
00:22:17.000 Doesn't that show that they're more responsible? 0.99
00:22:19.000 And isn't this you just wanting to?
00:22:22.000 It's sort of your death throes against a changing world.
00:22:26.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:22:27.000 What I would say to that is do you know what the top women's political issues were prior to suffrage? 0.99
00:22:35.000 What would you guess? 1.00
00:22:39.000 I would assume like raw milk was in the picture.
00:22:44.000 Kind of, yeah.
00:22:45.000 It was public health and safety.
00:22:47.000 It was sanitation.
00:22:49.000 It was, you know, safe, mostly public health and safety issues.
00:22:54.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:22:54.000 Do you know what the top three issues for women are now that they have been turned into just another voting block? 1.00
00:23:00.000 I wrote it somewhere, but I'm sure you're going to tell me. 0.80
00:23:03.000 Yeah. 0.97
00:23:03.000 It's abortion. 0.97
00:23:05.000 Right. 1.00
00:23:06.000 And it's choice.
00:23:07.000 Economic equality.
00:23:09.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:23:10.000 And it's women's equal standing in society, which who knows what that means? 1.00
00:23:16.000 It's kind of like a very nebulous. 0.99
00:23:17.000 Term that can mean whatever they want. 0.50
00:23:18.000 But don't you think it's weird that women went from being the primary protectors and advocates for children to being the primary murderers of children once we took away their neutral moral grounding, right? 1.00
00:23:33.000 And we turned them into a political voting block. 0.99
00:23:35.000 And now the only thing that gets women mobilized in politics, pretty much, is either the right to destroy an unborn baby or to protect illegal alien murderers that ISIS is trying to arrest. 1.00
00:23:48.000 They will jump in. 1.00
00:23:49.000 Front of ICE cars to ICE vehicles to prevent illegal aliens who are suspected of child rape and protect them while advocating to destroy unborn children. 0.94
00:24:02.000 And we already don't have enough babies and they want to kill the babies before they're born. 0.94
00:24:06.000 Now they're trying to also raise millions of dollars so we can kill the babies after they're born. 0.99
00:24:11.000 No, no, no, no. 1.00
00:24:12.000 I think the anti suffragists were right because they actually foresaw this and they said it's going to, we'll lose our moral high ground as women.
00:24:20.000 Because do you know that women were able to get a lot done advocacy wise before they ever had the vote?
00:24:28.000 That things like children's health, we already had organizations.
00:24:33.000 We had the U.S. Children's Organization founded in 1912 before suffrage.
00:24:38.000 And this was like we had NGOs, we had advocacy groups, we had grassroots groups.
00:24:42.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:24:42.000 We had NGOs, not anymore.
00:24:44.000 Thanks.
00:24:45.000 Thanks, Elon.
00:24:47.000 Let us know we have a ton of NGOs.
00:24:48.000 Thanks, Elon.
00:24:49.000 We have more than we've ever had.
00:24:50.000 We have more lobbyists than we've ever had.
00:24:51.000 No. 1.00
00:24:52.000 Women used to. 1.00
00:24:53.000 To organize and petition for things, and they were granted those things. 0.96
00:24:58.000 Prohibition is a great example. 0.73
00:25:00.000 Women didn't even have the right to vote, and it was the Women's Christian Temperance Union that got prohibition passed. 0.87
00:25:06.000 Now, of course, that was disastrous.
00:25:07.000 We don't like it.
00:25:08.000 But to say that women were powerless politically before getting voting rights is absurd and demonstrably false.
00:25:15.000 Okay, so you said, first of all, I'm not going to do the abortion.
00:25:17.000 You just throw all these things out there. 0.99
00:25:18.000 Oh, illegal aliens are undocumented migrants, and they do jobs that Americans don't want to do. 0.99
00:25:26.000 They're not all bad. 1.00
00:25:27.000 Like most of them are just here to seek a better life.
00:25:29.000 So I don't appreciate that sort of painting with a broad brush.
00:25:32.000 And then you say, baby, when really it's a zygote.
00:25:34.000 But let's just say, okay, we should, you're suggesting that we should frame all of society around like what tantamounts to like the planner's peanut guy.
00:25:46.000 And so, like, what I'm saying is, what about, okay, are you pro life?
00:25:49.000 Then education, then healthcare, right?
00:25:53.000 It seems you're conservative, you're all pro life until that baby exits.
00:25:57.000 Which is why I have it as a reminder. 0.73
00:25:59.000 But you said their top three issues were women's health care choice.
00:26:05.000 Let me ask you, you make that sound like a bad thing.
00:26:07.000 What are men's top issues when they come out and vote?
00:26:10.000 Well, that's interesting because there was a recent poll of Gen Z. You know, I'm sure you love the young voters, I'm sure you want the youngest people.
00:26:18.000 Basically, yeah, yeah.
00:26:19.000 Well, when you poll Gen Z men versus women on what issues are most important to them, the men are putting family as number one.
00:26:28.000 And things like security, national security, patriotism, and then things like money, the economy below that. 0.66
00:26:36.000 Women are now putting things like making money, owning a successful business, having equal pay with men, and abortion rights, of course, at the top, and family down maybe fifth or sixth. 0.68
00:26:50.000 So it sounds to me like women are saying our priority is health care, choice, empathy, and men want the right to control their family. 0.91
00:26:59.000 To exclude foreigners and to start more wars. 0.93
00:27:02.000 No, I think what it sounds like is women want to keep the borders open, import as many people from foreign countries who do not share our values, right? 1.00
00:27:11.000 I don't believe in borders. 1.00
00:27:13.000 I'm sure you don't.
00:27:14.000 But let me ask you this Do you value individual liberty?
00:27:18.000 Well, that's a loaded question. 1.00
00:27:22.000 I mean, don't you want gay couples to have their guns in weed? 0.61
00:27:27.000 Like, don't you want the government to stay out of their business? 1.00
00:27:30.000 That's such a stupid question because, of course, I do. 1.00
00:27:32.000 Okay, well, the fastest way to lose personal liberty is to enfranchise all women to vote and give them equal political power with men. 1.00
00:27:40.000 Because since we've done that, the welfare state has grown exponentially. 1.00
00:27:45.000 You wouldn't even have the welfare state as it exists today were it not for the female vote. 1.00
00:27:52.000 You have open borders. 1.00
00:27:53.000 Like I said, you've got people being imported from the entire third world, partially because we don't have enough workers because the women aren't having babies anymore. 1.00
00:28:00.000 And so you fill the country with people from other nations who don't believe in democracy or liberty or rights. 1.00
00:28:06.000 You get people. 1.00
00:28:07.000 Forming Muslim towns where they want Sharia law, like in the UK or in Dearborn, New York. 0.94
00:28:11.000 Yeah, but you know, women are the ones who vote for same sex marriage, which is a beautiful thing. 0.90
00:28:17.000 Yes, women are. 0.60
00:28:18.000 We would never have gay marriage without women. 1.00
00:28:21.000 You're correct. 0.95
00:28:21.000 We would never have transgenderism without feminism. 0.95
00:28:24.000 But then you try and twist it and say, yeah, but you lose these other things, which really you're talking about social safety net. 0.64
00:28:30.000 So I think it's a canard. 0.93
00:28:33.000 I think what you're going to end up with inevitably by trying to push feminism is less freedom. 1.00
00:28:39.000 Like in the UK, where you can be jailed for a Facebook post. 0.58
00:28:42.000 So, Skylar, if a right wing dictator ends up in power and you post something about hashtag me too on your Facebook and they don't like it, like, Trump, I'm sure you think Trump is a fascist. 0.94
00:28:55.000 Well, I think Trump would tell you he's a fascist. 0.94
00:28:58.000 Yeah.
00:28:58.000 So, do you want them to be able to do things like arrest you for Facebook posts?
00:29:01.000 Do you want to, you know, just do away with free speech and gun rights? 1.00
00:29:05.000 Because that's what women tend to vote for. 1.00
00:29:07.000 Now, you're saying that women overwhelmingly vote against gun rights. 0.99
00:29:10.000 With the resistance, you're the one who sides with the fascists.
00:29:13.000 Yeah.
00:29:14.000 That's the thing. 0.84
00:29:14.000 You side with the fascists, Miss Pol Pot. 0.84
00:29:17.000 Well, just because I recognize and respect hierarchy. 0.88
00:29:22.000 Is that the problem?
00:29:23.000 You just keep, I see what you do.
00:29:24.000 You're good at it. 1.00
00:29:25.000 You are, look, and of course, all women are smart, obviously, but you are clever. 1.00
00:29:30.000 You just keep pulling it where you, what did you just say? 1.00
00:29:34.000 I said I respect hierarchy.
00:29:35.000 I think it's an intentional part of God's. 0.84
00:29:37.000 Okay, but that presupposes that the hierarchy, let me guess, hierarchy for you is men at the top and not women.
00:29:46.000 Well, not necessarily.
00:29:47.000 See, this is the thing.
00:29:49.000 You assume that I just hate women, but as I said, the reason I advocate for patriarchy is because it's best for women, and I'll tell you why. 0.96
00:29:56.000 It grants them maximum dignity, protection, and provision. 0.93
00:30:01.000 It venerates motherhood.
00:30:03.000 It venerates the nature of women, which is to be mothers and raise the next generation of American patriots, while also endowing them with their proper corresponding duties and responsibilities, which keeps them grounded. 0.57
00:30:16.000 Because what we've seen is the women's liberation movement removes any sort of duty or responsibility.
00:30:23.000 If I were a feminist sitting in front of you and you asked me, What responsibilities or duties do you have to anyone outside yourself? 0.92
00:30:30.000 I probably wouldn't. 1.00
00:30:31.000 I'd probably do a Tommy Laren and just give you a deer in the headlights look and be like, what are you even talking about? 1.00
00:30:36.000 You just do stuff for us and we as women just get to have it. 1.00
00:30:40.000 And what you get out of it is you get to sit there and watch us have it. 0.81
00:30:43.000 Like, why is this not good enough for you?
00:30:44.000 A real man would love that.
00:30:46.000 No, no, no.
00:30:47.000 That's not.
00:30:47.000 That's not.
00:30:47.000 No.
00:30:48.000 First off, we'll find common ground because Tommy Laren, I mean, if you don't, you know, my mom said, if you don't have anything nice to say, so I'm not going to say anything, right, about Tommy Laren.
00:30:59.000 But.
00:31:01.000 It's that it's not our job, the job of men, to force upon you a duty.
00:31:07.000 Let me present to you two things.
00:31:08.000 You said that it venerates mother. 0.98
00:31:10.000 What if a woman doesn't want to be a mom?
00:31:12.000 So what? 0.99
00:31:12.000 She shouldn't be venerated? 0.99
00:31:13.000 She should be vilified just because she wants to run a company?
00:31:17.000 Like, that's a good thing. 0.97
00:31:18.000 It's also, I thought you were more conservative. 1.00
00:31:21.000 I thought you all care about the economy, but you don't want female business owners. 1.00
00:31:24.000 And then point number two is that we don't have the right to force duty. 1.00
00:31:29.000 But you could have a guy who comes home, okay, he just goes to work.
00:31:32.000 That's what he does.
00:31:34.000 And she works, he comes home, what? 0.65
00:31:35.000 Then she takes care of the house. 1.00
00:31:38.000 She takes care of the kids. 0.99
00:31:39.000 She takes care of the house, the work in the house, the work that goes into the kids.
00:31:45.000 Sometimes, like taking them to school, dropping them up, what the dad is, just comes back and pipe and slippers, man.
00:31:52.000 Ideally, yeah. 0.66
00:31:54.000 I mean, ideally, he comes home from work after a long day of protecting and providing and doing all the things that make motherhood and being a wife possible and keeps women in these.
00:32:05.000 Look at this beautifully lit studio.
00:32:07.000 With the air conditioning.
00:32:09.000 I enjoy that.
00:32:09.000 I like indoor plumbing.
00:32:11.000 I like air conditioning.
00:32:12.000 So, yes, if my man comes home and wants dinner and maybe a cigar and a nice beverage, I'm more than happy to bring that to him so that I can continue to enjoy this beautifully technologically built world.
00:32:25.000 But let's just say that's your choice.
00:32:26.000 You want to be 12 years of Rachel.
00:32:28.000 What's that?
00:32:28.000 So, that's your choice.
00:32:29.000 You want to be 12 years of Rachel. 1.00
00:32:30.000 It's good if you want to do it, but it's not right for all women. 1.00
00:32:33.000 They don't want to be slaves to their husband when he comes home. 1.00
00:32:36.000 Sure. 1.00
00:32:37.000 But they'll be slaves to their corporate bosses.
00:32:39.000 And if a police officer pulls them over, they'll probably follow his orders and obey him.
00:32:45.000 And they're definitely going to pay their taxes because otherwise the federal government will eventually send guys with guns to their door to put them in prison for not paying their taxes.
00:32:53.000 So they obey men all the time, unless it's the guy who actually loves them and wants a family with them and is paying all their bills.
00:33:00.000 Is that what we're talking about here?
00:33:03.000 Well, those things are the law because men have to do those things too.
00:33:09.000 So do women, but men don't have another man saying, like, hey, get my whatever you said, cigar and drink, whatever archaic sort of example you used.
00:33:17.000 So, we all have to do that. 1.00
00:33:18.000 Only women have all these other responsibilities. 1.00
00:33:21.000 It's the unpaid labor. 1.00
00:33:24.000 The unpaid labor.
00:33:25.000 And you say that like we should venerate that as opposed to like we should be grateful but not force them to do that.
00:33:32.000 That's what I think you're.
00:33:34.000 Do you want to force women to do that? 0.79
00:33:36.000 Well, first, let's talk about women's unpaid labor because this is a socialist idea that was propagated in the early days of socialism because socialists realized they're never going to overthrow the You know, the bourgeoisie, unless they have numbers. 0.61
00:33:52.000 So they thought if half of women are not, you know, half of the population, women are not working, they're just in the home, they're only interested in, you know, serving their husband, you know, the state will never be their daddy.
00:34:04.000 So we've got to mobilize women and get them into the workplace and get them to start seeing themselves.
00:34:09.000 They wrote this, Alexandra Kolonti wrote this in her communist papers that women need to stop seeing themselves as wives and mothers and start seeing themselves as units of labor.
00:34:20.000 So, there were actually a few different socialists who wrote papers about the women's unpaid labor in a way to mobilize women, get them out of the home, and get them to work in factories all day long.
00:34:30.000 Because that sounds great. 0.74
00:34:32.000 I don't want to be at home with my children, playing with them and teaching them and raising them and deciding what I want to do with my day as a housewife.
00:34:40.000 What do I want to make for dinner?
00:34:42.000 How do I want to educate my children?
00:34:43.000 What do I want to cover today?
00:34:45.000 What are the morals and values I'm going to teach them?
00:34:47.000 What time do I want to get up and go to bed and all these sort of things?
00:34:50.000 I'm in control and have.
00:34:52.000 Full autonomy over my life and how I run my household.
00:34:55.000 But no, that's oppression.
00:34:57.000 Liberation would be going to a factory job or a corporate job every day and punching the clock when I'm told, and sending the emails and doing the reports and obeying my boss and sitting down on a weekly to monthly basis with my boss so he can tell me what I need to do and how I need to do it and where I'm falling short and everything.
00:35:17.000 I don't understand how this is so liberating.
00:35:21.000 I don't want to interrupt you because I do realize that I obviously have male privilege.
00:35:25.000 But if we could agree for you to not like talk that long because there was a lot that we have to unpack.
00:35:34.000 And I'm not a therapist, I would recommend one.
00:35:38.000 But congratulations, one of your long talking points was just a schedule of stuff you do.
00:35:43.000 And no one has a problem with your schedule. 1.00
00:35:46.000 We have a problem with someone, the women who wanted to go work in the factories. 1.00
00:35:51.000 They weren't able to. 1.00
00:35:51.000 How many women do you think wanted to go work in a factory? 1.00
00:35:54.000 I don't know if I'm not a woman and stop trying to trick me into speaking on their behalf. 0.99
00:35:57.000 Or do you think it could be?
00:35:59.000 Do you think?
00:35:59.000 And this should appeal to you, Skylar.
00:36:01.000 Do you think it could be a coincidence or not that the primary funders of suffrage and the women's liberation movement were people like J.P. Morgan and Cornelius Vanderbilt, the Rockefellers, the Ford Foundation, people who had a vested interest in getting cheap labor into their big factories?
00:36:20.000 You know, we're talking about an age of industry in the United States where these people are building and expanding infrastructure and factories across the country, and they couldn't quite import enough poor Irish or Chinese workers. 0.70
00:36:33.000 So they thought, Hmm, let's liberate the women and we can get them all into the factories. 0.62
00:36:37.000 And since, you know, it's just cheap unpaid labor, we can convince them that this is liberating. 0.96
00:36:43.000 And then those same people met in secret at the Jekyll Island Club to draft the Federal Reserve legislation and the income tax. 0.67
00:36:51.000 You don't think that they maybe wanted the income tax at the same time that they're pushing women into factories and into workplaces? 0.79
00:36:58.000 Calm down. 0.99
00:36:59.000 So they can double the income tax? 1.00
00:37:02.000 Rachel Wars, info, Rachel. 1.00
00:37:05.000 Because that's a lot of conspiracies. 0.76
00:37:06.000 Or maybe. 1.00
00:37:07.000 Women wanted the, and you know what? 0.93
00:37:09.000 Sometimes it's an unfortunate reality. 1.00
00:37:11.000 The powerful need to be a voice for the voiceless.
00:37:15.000 So you had the wealthy elite who were hurt.
00:37:17.000 You're right.
00:37:17.000 It was kind of like that with Occupy Wall Street and.
00:37:21.000 I occupy.
00:37:22.000 It's weird how a lot of these grassroots movements have these big rich bankers funding them.
00:37:27.000 Isn't that weird, Skylar?
00:37:28.000 I don't even, I don't know if that's true.
00:37:30.000 You just said that was true.
00:37:31.000 You said sometimes the powerful need to.
00:37:33.000 Do you know that it was a lot of European and Wall Street bankers who funded the Bolshevik Revolution?
00:37:39.000 It could be like that.
00:37:41.000 You know, it could be like that.
00:37:42.000 First off, you mentioned, and I just have to tell you, it's deeply offensive because I am half Irish.
00:37:49.000 I'm also half Irish.
00:37:50.000 I'm working with Irish workers. 1.00
00:37:51.000 Well, and you should know better. 1.00
00:37:53.000 You should know better than that.
00:37:54.000 They have been through a lot.
00:37:57.000 And we're in a position now where, you know, it's not just a laugh.
00:38:00.000 Like you said on the podcast, Joe Rogan, people like that, or the Burt Kreisler.
00:38:05.000 Skyler, did you miss your Adderall dose today?
00:38:07.000 I'm going to need you to focus. 1.00
00:38:08.000 Let's go back and talk about the economy because women have.
00:38:11.000 I'm not pro big pharma. 0.99
00:38:12.000 All I use is green.
00:38:14.000 Not money.
00:38:16.000 Maybe for you, just consider the alcohol.
00:38:18.000 No, Maybe alcohol too.
00:38:20.000 The good sativa clears me right up.
00:38:23.000 Let's go to the occult stuff.
00:38:28.000 Did the Rockefellers fund that too?
00:38:32.000 Is that what's going on?
00:38:32.000 You're saying, like, what's your.
00:38:34.000 Because that's the name of your book, is occult.
00:38:36.000 And that seems like it's a red herring that you're just saying something that's not like.
00:38:41.000 Seems to me your problem is with women voting because more women vote for progressive policies.
00:38:47.000 Like, The choice of bodily autonomy, like compassion for immigrants.
00:38:54.000 It's not funny. 0.96
00:38:55.000 It's not a laughing matter.
00:38:56.000 You're right.
00:38:56.000 I'm sorry.
00:38:57.000 Like health care, you know, things that benefit everybody.
00:39:00.000 It seems like that's really your gripe, and you should just come out and say it.
00:39:04.000 And instead, you say, oh, it's like, it's a cult.
00:39:09.000 What's the basis for that?
00:39:10.000 Well, the basis for that is that when I started researching all of the biggest feminists of the 18th and 19th century, the women who really started this as a Political organization.
00:39:21.000 I wanted to understand their lives and their worldviews and where they were coming from and why this was important to them.
00:39:27.000 And I was shocked to find that almost all of them, the vast majority, were very much against Christianity, thought it was patriarchal and oppressive.
00:39:36.000 And many of them openly declared Lucifer as their liberator.
00:39:41.000 And you don't have to take my word for it.
00:39:42.000 You can read a PhD thesis by a professor named Parfax Neld out of Norway, who himself is a Luciferian, but agrees with me that Lucifer was. 0.60
00:39:53.000 The liberator of the 19th century feminists.
00:39:55.000 And we look at women like Elizabeth Cady Stanton, who wrote a book called The Woman's Bible.
00:40:01.000 In the preface, she says she doesn't believe God is real.
00:40:04.000 She doesn't.
00:40:04.000 You can get it on Amazon today.
00:40:06.000 Oh, I think I will.
00:40:07.000 Yeah.
00:40:07.000 It was actually so popular.
00:40:09.000 She wrote it with like 17 other suffragists, three of whom were lesbian pastors.
00:40:14.000 So that was already a thing, even in 1895.
00:40:18.000 It's weird because if women were oppressed, it seems strange that they were allowed to start, you know, live in open lesbian relationships and start.
00:40:25.000 Churches and get funding for that seems a little weird if they were so oppressed.
00:40:29.000 Not sure how they pulled that off.
00:40:31.000 Kind of like Mary Wollstonecraft in the late 1700s, hanging out with Thomas Paine in circles of male intellectuals, having affairs out of wedlock, engaging in threesomes with her employer, and being paid to tour Europe and speak.
00:40:45.000 I've seen you write about that.
00:40:46.000 So clearly, these women were not as oppressive as we've been led to believe because nobody jailed them, nobody flogged them, nobody beat them. 0.97
00:40:55.000 They were allowed to do this. 1.00
00:40:56.000 They were promoted.
00:40:57.000 Thank Gaia that nobody did flog them.
00:40:59.000 And I will tell you, you said you studied all the greatest, the greats.
00:41:01.000 Did you just say thank Gaia?
00:41:03.000 Gaia.
00:41:04.000 Oh.
00:41:05.000 Stop trying to be cute.
00:41:08.000 And I don't believe in heaven.
00:41:10.000 I believe that we make our own heaven and hell.
00:41:12.000 But if you studied the greatest, then if there was a heaven for a simplistic way you could understand, then Gloria Steinem is in the top ring.
00:41:20.000 And I just hope that you put some respect on her corpse.
00:41:25.000 But going back to this idea that that sounds to me like women who were sexually liberated but had to do it in secret.
00:41:31.000 That's what that sounds like to me. 0.99
00:41:32.000 But they did it in public.
00:41:33.000 I'm glad.
00:41:33.000 And now they can do it in public.
00:41:34.000 They were openly living in lesbian relationships. 1.00
00:41:38.000 No, it was. 0.99
00:41:39.000 Who?
00:41:39.000 Give me a name.
00:41:40.000 You just say it.
00:41:41.000 Give me a name.
00:41:42.000 Reverend.
00:41:43.000 I can't remember her name.
00:41:44.000 Let's look.
00:41:45.000 It's right here.
00:41:46.000 Reverend Phoebe something or other. 0.97
00:41:49.000 And you mentioned the other one who was a lesbian.
00:41:51.000 There were three, yes. 1.00
00:41:52.000 There were three.
00:41:53.000 That were on the editorial board for the Woman's Bible. 0.98
00:41:57.000 And.
00:41:57.000 That's right.
00:41:58.000 This came from the Woman's Bible, which.
00:41:59.000 I think that's Reverend Phoebe Hampton.
00:42:02.000 I think you just need to have more people. 0.99
00:42:06.000 More input into the women's Bible. 0.99
00:42:07.000 Because if you only had heterosexual women or heteronormative women, sorry. 0.99
00:42:12.000 Yes, this is a thing. 1.00
00:42:13.000 Then you would have a man. 0.54
00:42:14.000 It would just look like a man. 0.62
00:42:15.000 This was actually already a thing.
00:42:16.000 A lot of people think the woke stuff is new, but in 1840, Margaret Fuller was already writing about gender as a spectrum and that nobody was fully woman or man and that you could kind of, you know, pick what you wanted.
00:42:27.000 And I don't know if you've ever seen a picture of Susan B. Anthony or if you've ever read her letters to her female friends where she's talking about wanting to, you know, Kiss them in their nether regions and things like that. 1.00
00:42:40.000 So there was a lot of lesbians involved. 1.00
00:42:42.000 Nether region. 1.00
00:42:42.000 Susan B. Anthony never said that. 1.00
00:42:46.000 I mean, it was the Victorian era.
00:42:47.000 She couldn't, you know, she couldn't say it the way we say it now.
00:42:51.000 I mean, it's not gross.
00:42:52.000 Look, whatever you want to do.
00:42:53.000 It's actually very funny.
00:42:55.000 It's empowering, whatever you want to do.
00:42:56.000 I mean, it's gross.
00:42:56.000 You should go back and read it.
00:42:57.000 It's kind of a.
00:42:58.000 I've read it, and I always, whenever I go to Rite Aid and it says, Do you want to give Roundup to Susan B. Anthony Foundation, I say, Yes.
00:43:08.000 I'm sure you do.
00:43:09.000 You know, that was one of my biggest criticisms of President Trump when he gave her the pardon.
00:43:14.000 And, you know, sometimes I just go back to buy something more so I can round up again.
00:43:18.000 Yeah.
00:43:19.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:43:20.000 I think Trump is way too pro feminism and too pro gay. 0.99
00:43:26.000 Well, wait, wait. 0.98
00:43:27.000 When you say too pro feminism, what do you mean by that?
00:43:30.000 Well, he keeps trying to hire women into executive positions and it backfires on him almost every single time.
00:43:35.000 And it's like, come on, President Trump.
00:43:37.000 When are you going to learn your lesson? 1.00
00:43:39.000 Stop hiring all these women. 1.00
00:43:41.000 And he had a program to send mothers back to work. 1.00
00:43:44.000 Him and Ivanka created this program to get the mothers back to work as soon as possible. 0.89
00:43:49.000 And I don't know why. 0.63
00:43:50.000 Maybe if they had done that with Lindsey Clancy, we wouldn't be sitting here having this discussion.
00:43:54.000 Everyone needs help. 0.87
00:43:56.000 If the mothers don't raise their children, who raises the children? 0.92
00:43:59.000 A village. 0.99
00:44:01.000 Because that's what it takes. 0.98
00:44:04.000 So, another, just another lady, a different lady who's not the mom. 1.00
00:44:08.000 We pay her like 15 bucks an hour, and this random lady who has no vested interest in your children's well being spends 80% of their waking hours with them instead of mom. 1.00
00:44:18.000 So that mom can go and work for a corporation. 1.00
00:44:21.000 No. 1.00
00:44:22.000 No.
00:44:22.000 They spend more time.
00:44:24.000 With a group or school of ladies, as opposed to one lady that is mom, and that's better. 0.68
00:44:31.000 Do you know why? 0.93
00:44:32.000 Why? 1.00
00:44:33.000 Because it's more ladies. 1.00
00:44:35.000 And ladies are the best of us. 1.00
00:44:36.000 Well, you know what? 0.50
00:44:37.000 We should think about the fact that before we sent all the women into the workforce in huge numbers in the 1970s, prior to that, for all of human history, the village did raise the children.
00:44:46.000 The women were all home together. 0.99
00:44:48.000 So, this is why it's so difficult nowadays for women to have a larger family and stay at home, it is isolating because all the other women are at work. 1.00
00:44:56.000 Whereas prior to women's liberation, your mother was home, your sisters were home, your neighbors were home, your cousins were there. 0.98
00:45:03.000 We had community. 0.97
00:45:04.000 The women would do things together. 0.99
00:45:05.000 They would raise the children together, they would teach the children together.
00:45:09.000 You had a community.
00:45:10.000 Now we don't have that. 1.00
00:45:11.000 We have corporate work environments managed by nightmarish HR ladies. 1.00
00:45:16.000 That's what we did. 1.00
00:45:17.000 We traded all of that family and community for HR.
00:45:20.000 And here's the thing you say this in factories, okay.
00:45:24.000 But let's be real here.
00:45:25.000 Now, it has yielded good results. 1.00
00:45:28.000 I mean, women. 0.99
00:45:29.000 Own close to like, is it half of the business? 1.00
00:45:31.000 About 40% of U.S. business ventures are now owned by women. 0.99
00:45:34.000 So, actually, you do have to acknowledge that when given the opportunity, women now are able to flourish where it's still, it's not, you know what, it's almost half, which we're not there yet, but it's better than the world that you want us to live in. 0.82
00:45:48.000 Well, I don't know because we have this major problem, which is that even though, as you stated, about 40% of U.S. business ventures are now owned by women, those 40% only generate somewhere around 5% to 7% of all business revenue. 0.90
00:46:04.000 I don't think that's good for the economy. 0.82
00:46:06.000 Do you think that's good for the economy?
00:46:08.000 Well, that's because to you people, everything's about money.
00:46:12.000 That's not the only reason you go into business.
00:46:14.000 So, you know, maybe you do it as a passion, right?
00:46:17.000 Like maybe you paint, you open a flower shop.
00:46:19.000 So, what were the numbers that you gave? 1.00
00:46:22.000 It's about 40% of U.S. business ventures are now owned by women. 0.98
00:46:25.000 I was the only one, I brought that up.
00:46:27.000 I was the only one who remembered it.
00:46:27.000 If you want to be the most charitable, Wells Fargo released a report in 2025 that says it's about 6.7%.
00:46:34.000 Of all business revenue generated by that 40%.
00:46:38.000 So we're talking about what, 93 plus percent of all of the other business revenue is still generated by men?
00:46:46.000 Yeah, well, you know what? 0.86
00:46:47.000 And if you look at the GDP numbers, generated by men, clear cut the forest. 1.00
00:46:50.000 If you look at the GDP, it's even worse. 0.97
00:46:53.000 It drilled and still ruined the shrimp in the Gulf.
00:46:56.000 So what you say is a great thing. 1.00
00:46:58.000 These robber barons, like maybe let the women have a try.
00:47:01.000 Maybe it won't just be revenue based. 0.99
00:47:03.000 Maybe it'll be, you know, Empathetic. 0.96
00:47:06.000 Well, you're right because about 80% of psychology degrees are now earned by women, and this field is so incredibly oversaturated that almost none of them can even make enough money to pay back their college loans. 0.95
00:47:17.000 Women now also hold the majority of college loan debt in this country. 0.97
00:47:22.000 Do you think it's good to saddle young women with. 0.98
00:47:24.000 What was that? 1.00
00:47:25.000 Women in this country now hold over 60% of all college debt. 1.00
00:47:29.000 Oh, so you don't like that women are getting out of you? 0.86
00:47:33.000 I don't like that we're saddling young women with massive quantities of debt. 0.97
00:47:37.000 When they're in their early 20s, because it's another big thing that discourages them from wanting to have children to start a family. 0.98
00:47:43.000 So you'd rather them just not get educated.
00:47:45.000 I think they don't get educated there, right?
00:47:47.000 Kyler, do you think that I'm educated?
00:47:49.000 Do I seem educated to you?
00:47:51.000 Like, I kind of know some things.
00:47:52.000 Like, I have a handle on the subject matter we're talking about.
00:47:56.000 I'm well informed.
00:47:56.000 I think that you are a wind up toy for the patriarchy and one Mr. Andrew Wilson.
00:48:07.000 Luckiest lady in the world for that.
00:48:09.000 You're right about that.
00:48:11.000 With luck like that, who needs enemies?
00:48:14.000 Right?
00:48:15.000 I don't know.
00:48:16.000 I seem pretty happy.
00:48:17.000 I seem pretty happy.
00:48:19.000 Okay.
00:48:19.000 So, you are.
00:48:21.000 So, you just want to.
00:48:23.000 Slam the door behind you. 1.00
00:48:24.000 You don't want other women to get educated. 1.00
00:48:26.000 That's why I have a problem with the debt. 1.00
00:48:27.000 But here's the thing.
00:48:28.000 What if we just made school free?
00:48:29.000 I educated people.
00:48:30.000 What if we made school free?
00:48:31.000 I didn't go to college, Skylar.
00:48:33.000 I only went to high school and I even had a scholarship and I turned down the scholarship because I wanted to start a family and have kids instead.
00:48:39.000 And somehow I still, you know, it turned out okay and I'm pretty smart.
00:48:43.000 We have now many ways to educate ourselves that do not involve college and college debt.
00:48:50.000 And the reason college is so expensive and you need to go into debt for it is because of all the, I don't know if you saw Steven Crowdery just did this debate with a college professor.
00:48:59.000 Brilliant.
00:49:00.000 Love him.
00:49:00.000 He's hilarious.
00:49:01.000 So funny.
00:49:02.000 I wouldn't waste my time.
00:49:03.000 He pointed out that college wouldn't be so expensive if we weren't subsidizing the crap out of it and incentivizing continually raising the rates and giving everybody loans.
00:49:14.000 And that's why everybody is getting six figures of debt to get a college education. 1.00
00:49:19.000 And most women choose majors in college that don't make money, which is why. 1.00
00:49:25.000 Women now get 60% of every tax dollar that goes toward college education. 1.00
00:49:30.000 Right. 0.74
00:49:31.000 But men still pay 60 to 75% of all taxes because men tend to go into fields that actually produce things and make money. 0.96
00:49:39.000 And women tend to go into fields just like they do in business that don't make money.
00:49:43.000 And like you said, our passion projects. 0.99
00:49:46.000 Right.
00:49:46.000 Fine.
00:49:47.000 But why do we need to send them to college and get them into debt to do things like start a flower shop? 1.00
00:49:51.000 Do they need a business?
00:49:52.000 No, I didn't.
00:49:53.000 I was using that as an example.
00:49:54.000 Come on.
00:49:54.000 I mean, so no, we agree.
00:49:55.000 Just make college free.
00:49:58.000 Who will pay for it then?
00:50:01.000 It'll be free.
00:50:02.000 Okay.
00:50:04.000 Brilliant.
00:50:05.000 Do I need to grab a dictionary?
00:50:07.000 No, no, I think I've got it. 1.00
00:50:09.000 So you don't want women to work. 1.00
00:50:11.000 You don't want women to vote. 1.00
00:50:12.000 You don't want women to get paid. 1.00
00:50:13.000 Now, wait, I didn't say I don't want women to work. 1.00
00:50:16.000 So I don't want mothers to go to work outside the home because they already have a job, which is being a mother. 1.00
00:50:23.000 And that's a full time, 24 7 job. 0.99
00:50:27.000 Well, is it unpaid?
00:50:28.000 Because my husband pays all my bills.
00:50:31.000 I don't have to pay my bills.
00:50:33.000 Yeah, you're completely dependent.
00:50:35.000 That's codependence and it's toxic.
00:50:37.000 If I go to work at a job so that I can pay my bills, am I dependent on that job and that employer?
00:50:43.000 No, you're independent.
00:50:45.000 Really?
00:50:45.000 So if I'm working.
00:50:46.000 You don't need a man. 0.96
00:50:48.000 But the statistics we just talked about almost ensure that my boss will be a man if I'm working for a company that makes any money at all.
00:50:57.000 So, yeah, but it's a man who's paying you.
00:50:59.000 It's not a man who's not paying you.
00:51:00.000 Like, your husband's not paying you, the boss is paying you.
00:51:04.000 So, right, that's one thing.
00:51:08.000 Don't you think it could be actually a lot more of a reliable, dependable situation to have a husband and to, you know, there's things like life insurance.
00:51:17.000 You could do what I did and slowly, like, work toward a goal such as writing a best selling book while you're raising kids, you know, in your spare time.
00:51:26.000 I have a friend who earned a degree.
00:51:28.000 While her children were growing up, it took her 10 years.
00:51:31.000 So it took a little longer, but she went part time.
00:51:33.000 She didn't have to get saddled with any debt.
00:51:35.000 And now her youngest has graduated from school.
00:51:37.000 She has a degree.
00:51:38.000 She can go start working now.
00:51:41.000 She started early, like me.
00:51:42.000 We both had our first child at 20.
00:51:44.000 So now we're 45 years old.
00:51:45.000 Our kids are grown up and moved out, and we still probably have another 20 to 30 years that if we want to participate in the workforce, we can.
00:51:53.000 Did you know that we used to have laws that when women were married, a lot of times their contracts would stipulate that if they became married, they would no longer be employed and their contract would end?
00:52:04.000 I'm sure you think that's oppressive.
00:52:07.000 Yeah.
00:52:07.000 Yeah.
00:52:08.000 Well, the reason for that was because since there were not that many jobs that were suitable for women, you know, there's a limit to what jobs are suitable for women.
00:52:16.000 No, no, no. 1.00
00:52:17.000 There were a lot of jobs women were blocked from doing. 1.00
00:52:19.000 Well, we'll talk about that in a second. 1.00
00:52:20.000 The reason was to keep some of those positions open for young, single women who hadn't been married yet, older women who were widowed, other women that, for whatever reason, never were married, so that they had a means to support themselves because the married women were protected under coverture law. 0.99
00:52:35.000 They were not allowed to be held responsible for financially supporting themselves.
00:52:39.000 They were not allowed to have debt in their name, but they were allowed to spend their husband's money and they were entitled to be supported by their husband under coverture law. 0.95
00:52:47.000 So, again, we have this feminist framing that makes coverture sound like it was this terrible, oppressive thing when really there was a A big protective element so that women could become mothers.
00:52:57.000 Yeah, but he didn't have to.
00:52:59.000 What do you mean he didn't have to?
00:53:00.000 The cover overture.
00:53:02.000 He didn't have to.
00:53:03.000 He wasn't like he. 0.99
00:53:04.000 That's when you say, why didn't they hire older people?
00:53:07.000 That's because back in the day, the men were working the office and they wanted a secretary they could play grab ass with and then leave their wife who did all this unpaid labor, sayonara, as they used to say, and then he's gone and she's left with nothing. 0.64
00:53:22.000 That's why we have divorce laws that we do.
00:53:23.000 So you say it, but the truth is, there's no guarantee. 0.95
00:53:27.000 Well, there's some problems with what you just said, too, unfortunately, because 75% of all divorces are initiated by women these days.
00:53:34.000 That was a tough one. 0.85
00:53:35.000 We had no fault divorce.
00:53:36.000 This has been the case.
00:53:37.000 But the problem is that they don't have to stay in abuse.
00:53:40.000 Well, but what we did was we shifted the abuse from married relationships where you're husband and wife and there are legal statutes and responsibilities that the husband has to now people just cohabitating.
00:53:53.000 And if you are, like most Americans, living in a cohabitative relationship, just living with your boyfriend or girlfriend, You are at a 40% higher risk of domestic violence than your married counterparts.
00:54:03.000 So the abuse, like bad things happen.
00:54:06.000 The abuse got shifted into unmarried relationships.
00:54:10.000 And there's one more big problem here.
00:54:12.000 And kind of like what body cams did for, you know, allegations of police only targeting certain groups.
00:54:21.000 Women, cell phones, and men being able to record their fights with women have demonstrated.
00:54:27.000 And we have studies now that say that.
00:54:29.000 In non reciprocal domestic violence relationships where it's just one person, it's not both people hitting each other or abusing each other.
00:54:37.000 If it's non reciprocal, the woman is the aggressor 70% of the time. 0.99
00:54:41.000 Well, that's today. 1.00
00:54:42.000 That's today.
00:54:43.000 What I'm talking about is back in the day, if a man did it and then he ran off with a secretary, nothing happened.
00:54:49.000 There were no consequences.
00:54:50.000 That's not true.
00:54:52.000 We socially ostracized those men, especially if they failed to still provide for their family.
00:54:57.000 So, coverture law would hold the man responsible.
00:55:00.000 They would say, you're still legally responsible for.
00:55:02.000 For not only providing for your children, but also for your wife.
00:55:05.000 And if you don't do that, you can be taken to court and we can, you know, garnish wages and things just like they do now.
00:55:11.000 You could also be jailed in some places.
00:55:14.000 It depends because laws are regional, they go by state and locality, but men were held responsible for that.
00:55:20.000 And women also had community and church support for things like being widowed, being divorced, or abandoned.
00:55:27.000 The church was typically charged with supporting widows and abandoned wives.
00:55:32.000 I don't believe in organized religion.
00:55:34.000 I'm sure you don't.
00:55:35.000 So things are.
00:55:36.000 You're barking up the wrong bonsai. 0.99
00:55:38.000 I guess so. 0.98
00:55:40.000 But can we go back to.
00:55:41.000 You wanted to talk about the 1920s.
00:55:43.000 Yeah, you want to go back to 1920s.
00:55:44.000 And you said the men and the fishing boats and stuff like that.
00:55:48.000 Well, I mean, if we got to go back to the 1920s, why not the 1920s?
00:55:52.000 Why not the 1520s?
00:55:54.000 I mean, why limit ourselves here?
00:55:56.000 Well, I'm not the one.
00:55:57.000 You're the one who wants to limit.
00:55:58.000 But you want to go back.
00:56:01.000 I don't really want to go back.
00:56:02.000 It's not about going back. 0.99
00:56:03.000 But if we look at the way things are now, women have had at least 100 years that they've been completely allowed to do whatever they want, any type of job they want. 0.85
00:56:12.000 We've had 50 years of affirmative action and DEI. 0.93
00:56:16.000 Pushing women into STEM, pushing women into traditionally male occupied jobs. 0.68
00:56:21.000 And what we see is that all of the dirty, dangerous, difficult jobs, the infrastructure jobs that build and maintain first world conditions that allow women to be feminists are still occupied by men. 0.70
00:56:33.000 And I would say I'll believe women that they want equality when they are willing to sign up for all those dirty, dangerous, and difficult jobs.
00:56:41.000 Men still are the only ones who are dying at work for the most part. 0.98
00:56:45.000 Almost all workplace deaths are male.
00:56:47.000 So, when are we going to get justice for those men?
00:56:50.000 Well, no, they don't need that's choice. 1.00
00:56:54.000 Why aren't the women flocking to high paying, dangerous jobs? 1.00
00:57:00.000 Well, no one's saying they have to. 1.00
00:57:02.000 So, I think that's a good example of women making, again, the best among us, the smarter decision and working a job where they're less likely to be injured. 0.99
00:57:10.000 Men are willing to do it.
00:57:11.000 So, I don't understand your point.
00:57:13.000 So, the next time there's a hurricane about to approach Florida right now.
00:57:17.000 Well, there always is.
00:57:18.000 Yeah.
00:57:19.000 So if the wind and the storm and the floodwaters, you know, knock out power and infrastructure, destroy property, people are trapped in floodwaters.
00:57:28.000 Do you think we're finally going to see the women getting out there and rescuing people?
00:57:32.000 No, no, because they choose not to.
00:57:34.000 Well, why should they be allowed to choose not to?
00:57:36.000 Someone's got to do that job.
00:57:38.000 And it seems like we just tell men they have to do it because if the men don't do it, who's going to do it?
00:57:44.000 Well, we're probably going to, it's probably automated soon.
00:57:47.000 Yeah.
00:57:48.000 Yeah, I'm sure we'll have robots going out into floodwaters and rescuing people who are in floodwaters.
00:57:52.000 Have you ever seen the movie Twister?
00:57:55.000 No.
00:57:55.000 About tornadoes?
00:57:56.000 They released like, it was a robot robot.
00:57:57.000 Twister.
00:57:58.000 I'm sorry.
00:57:58.000 I'm sorry.
00:57:59.000 I thought you said Twister.
00:58:03.000 I misunderstood.
00:58:03.000 I'm sorry.
00:58:05.000 Twister.
00:58:06.000 Okay.
00:58:09.000 They released a robot, and then there are a bunch of little robots that go in.
00:58:11.000 My point is they can even study storms that way.
00:58:13.000 And do you know who the best Twister was? 1.00
00:58:16.000 A woman. 1.00
00:58:17.000 I'm sure.
00:58:18.000 I'm not like Bill Paxton, too, but that's just because he's a man. 1.00
00:58:21.000 I'm sure Hollywood only completely accurately represents women. 0.99
00:58:25.000 My point is a woman with a rope. 1.00
00:58:26.000 You know what they say? 1.00
00:58:27.000 A woman with two robots is stronger than a man.
00:58:31.000 Do they say that?
00:58:32.000 Wow.
00:58:32.000 I've never heard that one.
00:58:33.000 I've heard it said.
00:58:34.000 Skyler, why do you think it is that even though women have been allowed to be fully enfranchised in the military and allowed to do anything in active combat that a man can do for 13 years now, that we still don't have a single Navy SEAL or a Marine Raider and only a handful of any.
00:58:50.000 Women who've made it into special ops? 0.84
00:58:53.000 Well, that's because of the rigging of the tests, the tests that they require for those. 1.00
00:58:58.000 Like, you have plenty of women in the Army. 1.00
00:58:59.000 You have plenty of women who are in the.
00:59:02.000 We got better maternity suits for women, stretchier for if they were pregnant in the Air Force, which was a great step forward. 0.80
00:59:08.000 Yeah. 0.92
00:59:09.000 You can thank Biden for that.
00:59:11.000 And people like they like to crap on it, but he did a lot of good things.
00:59:14.000 That's one of them.
00:59:14.000 But with Navy sales, if you look at the tests, they're obviously biased to favor men.
00:59:21.000 So that's why you could make the test different and more women would get through, but it's men in control of the test. 0.90
00:59:27.000 So, like, you're right. 0.97
00:59:29.000 Yeah.
00:59:30.000 You're right.
00:59:31.000 You got me on that one.
00:59:32.000 That's the only reason.
00:59:32.000 Like, maybe if you made the test more appropriate, like, you know, empathy and, you know, the ability to multitask as opposed to carry everything for long distances.
00:59:46.000 So, if we based it more on emotional intelligence, that's an important component of battle.
00:59:52.000 Yeah.
00:59:53.000 And I hate war, all war. 1.00
00:59:54.000 I just think, you know, the truth is, if women were in charge, we wouldn't have wars. 0.99
00:59:57.000 That's, you know, interesting because historically they found that female rulers are more likely to go to war and be aggressors with their military. 0.98
01:00:06.000 Than male rulers.
01:00:07.000 I don't think that's true. 1.00
01:00:09.000 Well, it is true.
01:00:11.000 I guess you'll have to ask Jubilee to fact check that one too. 0.95
01:00:13.000 You're saying that female rulers were more likely? 1.00
01:00:16.000 Yeah, they were more likely to aggress and go to war historically. 1.00
01:00:20.000 Yeah.
01:00:22.000 So sorry.
01:00:23.000 I don't know how that, that, why, I mean, why would that?
01:00:26.000 Well, I think, I think the reason is because men ultimately have the monopoly on force.
01:00:32.000 Even female rulers rely on men to enforce their leadership, right? 1.00
01:00:37.000 You, Don't send an army of women to go enforce the law. 1.00
01:00:40.000 If you're a ruler, you don't send an army of women to go invade the neighboring country or defend your borders. 1.00
01:00:45.000 So they still ultimately depend on male force. 1.00
01:00:49.000 And I think that women are much more likely to go, yeah, sure, send the men to battle. 1.00
01:00:53.000 Sure. 1.00
01:00:54.000 Whereas men have had to fight each other.
01:00:56.000 They grow up wrestling, punching each other, and they're a little more hesitant because they know how bad it can get.
01:01:01.000 You know what I mean?
01:01:02.000 Men are the ones who do the fighting.
01:01:04.000 So they're a little bit more restrained in using force. 1.00
01:01:07.000 Whereas women, If it's just men doing force and it's just conceptual, it's like, yeah, send them to war. 1.00
01:01:13.000 So that would be my hypothesis. 0.94
01:01:15.000 Well, then why do men commit more murder than women?
01:01:19.000 Well, that's another thing that you hear all the time, but what you don't hear is that the majority of men are also the victims of violent crimes.
01:01:27.000 So it tends to be the men doing violent stuff to each other. 0.55
01:01:30.000 Yes, some men do violent crimes against women, but when force is equalized, we find that women, when they have the monopoly on force, Are every bit as likely, if not more likely, to aggress than men.
01:01:42.000 For example, in juvenile prisons, of all the children, they did a big study on this, which I have a reference for on my Substack if you want to Jubilee fact check it.
01:01:53.000 They took a study of juvenile prisons and any time that there was abuse reported by the kids who were in the juvenile prisons, and 93% of the offenders were women who were in charge, so like female jail staff.
01:02:08.000 So when women have the monopoly on force, they're every bit as likely, if not more likely, than men. 0.99
01:02:14.000 To use it against someone smaller or weaker than they are. 0.96
01:02:17.000 Well, that's one of those things I guess there'd be no way to know.
01:02:21.000 Yeah, except for those studies.
01:02:22.000 Well, there'd be no way to know because we haven't really tried it. 1.00
01:02:24.000 We haven't tried women in charge. 0.99
01:02:26.000 So it was like a few, but not enough. 1.00
01:02:30.000 You don't think that women are in charge of a lot right now? 1.00
01:02:35.000 I mean, didn't we have a female secretary of defense? 1.00
01:02:39.000 Didn't we have. 1.00
01:02:40.000 Don't we have. 1.00
01:02:41.000 I didn't see a female president. 1.00
01:02:43.000 I didn't see. 1.00
01:02:44.000 Please welcome Mrs. President of the United States. 1.00
01:02:48.000 Well, England had a female prime minister. 1.00
01:02:51.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:02:51.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:02:52.000 Yeah.
01:02:53.000 I'm not, not, wasn't. 1.00
01:02:54.000 What about like all the women who run countries right now? 1.00
01:02:57.000 Like New Zealand had a female dictator during COVID who locked New Zealand down tighter than a drum. 1.00
01:03:03.000 I mean, she saved New Zealand. 0.97
01:03:05.000 Right.
01:03:06.000 She saved New Zealand from COVID.
01:03:07.000 She did.
01:03:08.000 That was a thing.
01:03:09.000 During COVID, men were more concerned with, you know, being able to continue to do their stuff selfishly. 0.77
01:03:15.000 Women were the ones who were willing to make the sacrifice and stay home.
01:03:22.000 The president of Mexico is a woman, right? 1.00
01:03:26.000 The Jewish one, yeah. 1.00
01:03:28.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:03:30.000 How's that going, like with the cartels and the violence and everything in Mexico?
01:03:33.000 Well, I think most of the cartels are men, so. 0.69
01:03:36.000 Right, but if they have a female leader, why hasn't she been able to, you know, like get a handle on that and protect everybody from cartel violence? 1.00
01:03:42.000 All the patriarchy. 1.00
01:03:44.000 Oh, okay.
01:03:44.000 It's the patriarchy.
01:03:45.000 The ghost of patriarchy roams the halls strong, people say.
01:03:50.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:03:51.000 How long before you think we get true equality and what does that look like?
01:03:57.000 You know, that's actually a very fair question.
01:04:00.000 And I will give what I believe to be the most fair answer.
01:04:03.000 Okay.
01:04:04.000 You say equality. 0.55
01:04:06.000 I say, as it relates to women's rights or women's power, the only right answer is more.
01:04:17.000 Is more. 0.50
01:04:19.000 And what I can say about right now is it's not enough.
01:04:22.000 It's not enough.
01:04:23.000 You say women are, well, a secretary of state, I think he said, what else would you say women are in charge of?
01:04:28.000 Because you look at, like men, like you said, they have most of the businesses, they make most of the revenue. 0.99
01:04:34.000 They're the ones in positions of military power, like a lot of the big banks. 0.90
01:04:40.000 So, what are women in charge of now for you to be so hasty? 0.99
01:04:45.000 Well, first of all, I wanted to remind you that you said the only reason women aren't in charge of those things is because they don't want to. 0.91
01:04:51.000 So, let's just not forget that part.
01:04:54.000 That doesn't sound like something I would say.
01:04:55.000 Right.
01:04:57.000 Well, I think it's a pretty big deal right now that in a lot of states, a woman can still kill a man's unborn baby and he has absolutely no say so in the matter. 0.52
01:05:07.000 I mean, that seems like a pretty big power move to do. 0.54
01:05:10.000 Like, you know? 1.00
01:05:13.000 Why are you so afraid of the fact that only women can create life?
01:05:17.000 Well, I'm not. 1.00
01:05:17.000 What about, let's explore that. 1.00
01:05:18.000 What about that? 0.99
01:05:19.000 That's why I love patriarchy because it's the most protective for women and children, and they're the primary benefit.
01:05:26.000 So, you would rather, so, okay, well, let's just grant all this.
01:05:29.000 You would rather in a situation right now where we've made so much progress, I mean, we took, you know, one step back, obviously, with the Supreme Court decision, and now they basically banned abortion in the country.
01:05:39.000 But we made a lot of progress. 0.99
01:05:42.000 And you would strip that choice from women. 0.99
01:05:46.000 What would you do, okay, if a woman's pregnant and she's not ready? 0.96
01:05:50.000 You would have the man decide? 0.73
01:05:52.000 He'd have choice over her body? 0.95
01:05:55.000 Walk me through that. 0.63
01:05:56.000 Well, I personally wouldn't want to make it legal for anybody to kill a child just because of where it's located, which is inside a woman's body.
01:06:04.000 The child has its own body that it, you know, my body, my choice, bodily autonomy. 0.83
01:06:11.000 But right now, let's say you're in a place.
01:06:13.000 You know, let's say more progressive like Europe, where abortion is allowed.
01:06:16.000 People like you think haven't been in charge.
01:06:20.000 But you would want the man to make that decision?
01:06:23.000 I think the man should at least have a say so because the child is 50% his genetics.
01:06:27.000 It takes two to tango. 0.64
01:06:28.000 You know, you hear women talk about men impregnating them and all this other stuff.
01:06:32.000 And it's like, yeah, so if we're going to expect men to pay half and support children once they're born and all these other things, why don't men have any sort of reproductive freedom? 0.93
01:06:45.000 If we're always talking about women's reproductive freedom, really it's just they want the right to kill a man's baby. 0.84
01:06:53.000 I'll just be frank. 1.00
01:06:54.000 And the reason I know this is because I came up with a hypothetical a few years ago that I've asked women in debates multiple times.
01:07:00.000 I think I've asked it seven or eight times to different ladies and then to a whole panel of women on the whatever podcast.
01:07:06.000 I asked, what if they came up with new technology? 1.00
01:07:09.000 You know, they're talking about artificial wombs.
01:07:11.000 What if Elon Musk creates like artificial wombs, right?
01:07:14.000 And I wouldn't trust it if he's making it, but. 0.71
01:07:17.000 And you go in to get your abortion and they say, Good news, Mrs. Smith.
01:07:22.000 We can take this embryo, this fetus, you know, let's say you're 10 weeks along, this 10 week old fetus, and we actually have a new option. 0.71
01:07:30.000 You no longer have to kill the baby.
01:07:33.000 You can just have it implanted into this artificial womb.
01:07:35.000 You won't have any legal obligations to it.
01:07:37.000 You won't have any moral obligations to it.
01:07:40.000 You'll never even have to meet it or know that it exists.
01:07:46.000 Would you like to do that? 0.98
01:07:47.000 Or do you want to go with the old fashioned just kill it thing, you know, kill it option? 1.00
01:07:52.000 Every single woman I have asked has said that the woman should still have the option to kill it, even if they have the other option. 0.92
01:07:59.000 Now, how do you explain that? 0.98
01:08:01.000 What would be the logic there? 1.00
01:08:03.000 Other than women just want control and power to decide which men reproduce. 1.00
01:08:08.000 Choice. 1.00
01:08:09.000 Yeah, choice of which men get to have offspring. 0.54
01:08:13.000 It's still choice. 1.00
01:08:13.000 So it's power. 1.00
01:08:14.000 So it's never been about equality to me. 1.00
01:08:16.000 It's always about power because women don't want equal responsibility, they don't want equal duties. 1.00
01:08:23.000 Here's something. 1.00
01:08:24.000 What if, in order to vote like men do, women had to sign up for the selective service? 0.77
01:08:30.000 What if they had mandatory community or military service? 0.83
01:08:33.000 You got to serve your country for two years in order to earn the right to vote, whether you're a man or a woman. 0.54
01:08:39.000 Do you think more men would do it or do you think more women would do it?
01:08:43.000 I don't understand how that's relevant to the point. 0.80
01:08:46.000 Well, I'm just saying, why are we only ever talking about rights and never talking about duties or responsibilities?
01:08:51.000 Aren't we all adults?
01:08:52.000 Because only one group hasn't had rights.
01:08:56.000 That's why I don't have any responsibilities either. 1.00
01:09:00.000 Like, what are women's duties? 1.00
01:09:06.000 Whichever they choose choice. 1.00
01:09:08.000 Right.
01:09:09.000 And what are men's duties? 0.50
01:09:11.000 Well, to go back to the abortion thing where you said he doesn't have, he does have a choice in whether or not he chooses to SA the woman.
01:09:22.000 And if he doesn't, then he's, but if he, then he needs to take care of that, that, because that's his responsibility.
01:09:26.000 So that would be one.
01:09:26.000 Right.
01:09:27.000 Right.
01:09:27.000 Right.
01:09:28.000 Who do you think should be saddled with the duty of protecting women and children?
01:09:34.000 Do you think that should be equally distributed among men and women, or is that men's responsibility?
01:09:40.000 I don't believe in the use of force. 0.99
01:09:43.000 So, if women were in charge. 1.00
01:09:45.000 And if women were in charge. 0.97
01:09:45.000 I don't believe in self defense either. 0.97
01:09:47.000 Well, if women were in charge, we wouldn't need the use of force. 1.00
01:09:50.000 That's the thing. 1.00
01:09:51.000 The whole world that you're creating, this paradigm, is based around how men have done it, where it's fighting and it's war, and I want your plot of land or whatever it is. 0.91
01:10:00.000 If women are able to see the best in us, that's why they are for the underclass, for the marginalized.
01:10:08.000 I mean, if you look at any of these issues, whether it's LGBT, whether it's Black Lives Matter, whether it's actually being a nation without borders to support people who are fleeing horrible lives for better lives, women see the best in people.
01:10:23.000 And so if we applied that universally, then we wouldn't need to be talking about the use of force.
01:10:27.000 We wouldn't need to be talking about duty. 0.99
01:10:28.000 Women see the best in people, you think? 1.00
01:10:31.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:10:31.000 Okay. 1.00
01:10:32.000 What about the lady in North Texas who was just arrested for trying to stab her three and 10 year olds and her husband had to jump in and ended up getting stabbed trying to protect the children from her? 0.99
01:10:43.000 Well, not all women. 0.97
01:10:44.000 Okay. 0.84
01:10:45.000 So do you think it was that father's duty to protect his children from their mother?
01:10:51.000 I think it's in that extreme scenario, which is incredibly rare, unbelievably rare.
01:10:56.000 It's the duty of whoever can. 0.99
01:10:58.000 I don't think it's a man's duty or a woman's duty.
01:11:00.000 So when ICE is trying to arrest known criminal. 1.00
01:11:04.000 Undocumented people. 1.00
01:11:06.000 Thank you. 0.83
01:11:08.000 And women are jumping in front of their cars trying to protect the suspected child rapist from ICE.
01:11:16.000 Like, do you think that it's wrong that men don't have a duty to find predators in society and to arrest them and jail or deport them?
01:11:25.000 Do you think that predators are always men?
01:11:28.000 Right? 0.96
01:11:29.000 So, if we didn't, if that's the thing, is if women were in charge, we wouldn't have as many predators. 0.99
01:11:35.000 So, we just eliminate men? 1.00
01:11:38.000 No, they wouldn't want to be predators. 0.97
01:11:40.000 They wouldn't want to be. 0.99
01:11:41.000 Because they would follow the wise guidance of women. 1.00
01:11:45.000 There are actually predators. 1.00
01:11:46.000 Female separatist extremists who do think we should limit the male population to about 10% of what it is now. 0.99
01:11:51.000 I'm starting to think they have a problem. 0.99
01:11:52.000 Yeah, yeah, you might like them.
01:11:54.000 You should probably read their stuff. 1.00
01:11:57.000 But you think that if women are in charge, men just won't want to do bad things? 0.96
01:12:03.000 I think trying it is probably better than what we have now. 1.00
01:12:07.000 That's what I think. 0.99
01:12:08.000 And again, you haven't really addressed what we have now, which is women attacking men, attacking children, being violent. 0.93
01:12:14.000 And then when they are taken to court and tried, they are much easily. 0.52
01:12:21.000 Much more easily gotten off the hook by things like postpartum depression.
01:12:25.000 I was taking a medication.
01:12:27.000 Whereas when we see men do violent crimes, we don't see people raising a million dollars on GoFundMe.
01:12:31.000 We don't see them getting off because of hormones.
01:12:34.000 Oh, it's my TRT.
01:12:35.000 I can't be held responsible for what I did.
01:12:37.000 We don't see that with men.
01:12:39.000 So that seems weird.
01:12:40.000 It seems like we have a dual justice system where we've got one set of standards for men that's really high and they've got all these duties and responsibilities and expectations. 0.57
01:12:50.000 And women just get all the liberation and all the equality and even the Affirmative action and they also get far more lenient sentences for the same crimes as men.
01:13:02.000 And there's tons of studies on this.
01:13:05.000 There's multiple studies on this.
01:13:06.000 Again, you can go to my Substack, have Jubilee fact check it. 1.00
01:13:10.000 For the exact same crimes with similar circumstances, women are far more likely to not even get jail time and only get probation. 1.00
01:13:17.000 They get about 40% lighter sentencing than men do on average.
01:13:21.000 That doesn't sound like equality to me.
01:13:23.000 So are we talking about equality or are we talking about. 0.98
01:13:27.000 No, that's fair. 1.00
01:13:27.000 A situation where women are put on pedestals and given all kinds of special exceptions for things, and nothing is expected of them, and they have no duties and no responsibilities. 1.00
01:13:39.000 And could this be why we're seeing women start to act really crazy and insane and feral? 0.97
01:13:46.000 Could this be the reason why you go on TikTok and you see horrors beyond your comprehension of women acting completely insane? 0.99
01:13:53.000 Do you have any more proof that women are more crazy? 1.00
01:13:55.000 Yes, I do. 1.00
01:13:56.000 No.
01:13:57.000 Are you aware of the statistics of.
01:14:00.000 How many women are on psychiatric medications compared to men, and that they're diagnosed with mental illnesses at about three times the rate men are?
01:14:09.000 And that's a historic thing that goes back at least 100 years since we've been keeping track.
01:14:14.000 So, regardless of all of the innovations in treatment and all the female psychologists and psychiatrists and the SSRIs and the anxiety meds, 25 to 26% of American women are on at least one psychiatric drug.
01:14:27.000 Like I said, about three times more than men. 0.94
01:14:30.000 That's their choice.
01:14:31.000 Well, it is their choice, but I don't think it demonstrates that these are the people that we really want in charge of everything.
01:14:39.000 Unless they choose to.
01:14:42.000 So, time for closing statements.
01:14:45.000 Okay. 1.00
01:14:48.000 Sounds to me like you want to take us back pre women having the vote and you like them pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen and men deciding what happens with women's bodies. 1.00
01:14:57.000 But in your own layout for me, because you say women don't have responsibilities and duties. 0.96
01:15:04.000 Lay out for me in Rachel's perfect world, you know, Handmaid's Dale, what the responsibilities and duties would be for men and women. 0.89
01:15:14.000 What do you think would be the best system? 0.91
01:15:16.000 Sure.
01:15:17.000 So, I said in my opening here that Christian patriarchy is the best system for both men and for women because it takes into account God's design for both men and women, our ontological differences, our tautological differences, and something called telos, which is just meaning and purpose. 0.96
01:15:38.000 Women have a different meaning and purpose than men do.
01:15:40.000 We are not interchangeable widgets, we're not exactly the same. 0.99
01:15:43.000 Not all women can have children. 1.00
01:15:45.000 But only women can have children. 1.00
01:15:47.000 Not all men can defend the nation, but only men can defend the nation. 0.99
01:15:51.000 These are biological differences that we are not going to overcome. 0.83
01:15:56.000 I don't think you can even produce robots or technology that's going to overcome it.
01:16:00.000 I guess if that happens, we can get to it then.
01:16:02.000 But as it stands now, we just went over a ton of facts and a ton of data proving that these differences are still there and they're still meaningful and they still run the world. 0.98
01:16:13.000 So if we're going to give men the duties of, Building and maintaining the infrastructure of the world, of defending persons and property, and that women cannot do those things.
01:16:24.000 I don't think it's just that they choose not to. 0.99
01:16:26.000 I think it's that they physically cannot do those things.
01:16:30.000 And that men physically cannot bear children and nurse them.
01:16:36.000 Some can. 0.99
01:16:37.000 Right.
01:16:38.000 Sorry, I didn't want to, but I just want to, that's one because I have a friend.
01:16:41.000 But go ahead.
01:16:42.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00
01:16:44.000 That the responsibilities women should have. 1.00
01:16:48.000 To produce the next generation of human beings, I don't think that only men should have duties and responsibilities and women just get perks and freedoms.
01:16:57.000 I think that when you do that to any group of people, and I think you can look at other groups where we take away the duties and the responsibilities and we tell them only about what they deserve and what their rights are and that they've been oppressed and so therefore they're deserving, what you get from those groups is the worst possible version of those people. 0.87
01:17:16.000 And I think that's what we're seeing with women. 0.89
01:17:17.000 I think that's why people are looking at tick. 0.98
01:17:19.000 Talk and they're looking at Instagram and they're looking at mothers trying to strangle and stab children, and they're like, What is going on here? 0.92
01:17:27.000 And I think we've taken women's best qualities as mothers and nurturers and builders of community and family, and we have perverted it and told them only about what they deserve and that they don't have duties to anyone outside themselves, and that their only responsibility is their own personal happiness, as fleeting as that may be, and that you get the worst possible version of women in doing that. 0.80
01:17:51.000 They are less happy. 0.95
01:17:52.000 We have two major studies.
01:17:54.000 One is global, the paradox of female happiness and the female happiness paradox, which show that women, to the degree that they are liberated, we have to ask ourselves, what from?
01:18:06.000 You would say the evil patriarchy.
01:18:07.000 I would say the benevolent Christian patriarchy and their God given duties and purposes. 0.94
01:18:12.000 Bring me back into this. 0.84
01:18:13.000 It's your closing.
01:18:13.000 Right, right.
01:18:14.000 I think that if we put things back in their proper place and we give women dignity, we give them protection and provision, we give them.
01:18:25.000 Positive reinforcement for following their natural God given duties and responsibilities to community, to family, to people outside themselves.
01:18:35.000 We get the kind of women that we can love and respect again.
01:18:38.000 And we get women who are happier and have purpose filled lives and don't, you know, spend their whole day watching true crime drama and inventing ways that, you know, female murderers actually aren't responsible and it was the failure of a man somewhere and all the craziness that we're dealing with now.
01:18:55.000 We don't get infanticide and mass genocide of unborn children on a global scale.
01:19:02.000 One third of Gen Z has been aborted.
01:19:05.000 That's one third of a generation that never got to be born. 1.00
01:19:07.000 And we don't know what kind of innovation and wonderful things could have come from those people because they never got a chance to be born. 0.90
01:19:14.000 And it was all in the name of women's liberation. 0.93
01:19:17.000 And now the entire globe is dropping to below replacement levels.
01:19:22.000 And we're going to see programs like MADE, the Canadian Assistance in Dying program.
01:19:28.000 The Japanese have a similar program. 0.99
01:19:30.000 We're starting to euthanize older people, disabled people, babies. 1.00
01:19:35.000 Sounds a lot like the action TV. 1.00
01:19:38.000 Program that a certain guy with a mustache that might rival yours had.
01:19:43.000 And, you know, we think that was bad.
01:19:44.000 We don't like it that he had that program.
01:19:46.000 Yet we're doing basically the same thing. 0.99
01:19:48.000 We've basically resorted to eugenics in the name of female empowerment. 0.64
01:19:52.000 So I think this is a massive, massive mistake. 0.75
01:19:55.000 I think it's unsustainable and will ultimately be tossed into the dustbin of history as a terrible failure and a silly idea that we once had.
01:20:02.000 And thank God it's over.
01:20:03.000 But that's just, you know, my opinion.
01:20:10.000 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, pregnant and barefoot, 1920s. 0.99
01:20:18.000 That's where she wants to return you.
01:20:21.000 It's clear as day.
01:20:22.000 It's not clear in here now, but it'll clear up in a bit.
01:20:29.000 Anecdotal.
01:20:31.000 Anecdotal.
01:20:32.000 Everything she said is anecdotal.
01:20:33.000 What about.
01:20:34.000 Look.
01:20:35.000 So you're just going to pretend you didn't hear all my statistics?
01:20:38.000 Pardon me.
01:20:39.000 Sorry.
01:20:39.000 Go ahead.
01:20:40.000 These are my closing statements.
01:20:41.000 I don't want to interrupt the patriarchy.
01:20:43.000 Deeply personal.
01:20:44.000 I'm very respectful of men, you know?
01:20:46.000 So.
01:20:48.000 Thank you.
01:20:49.000 Even spiritually female men like yourself.
01:20:53.000 And I'm not going to do the anecdotal.
01:20:59.000 I think it's important that we root this in truth as well as empathy.
01:21:03.000 And that's the yin and the yang, that we can have both of them.
01:21:06.000 You know what, actually, Ryan has made this?
01:21:09.000 See that right there.
01:21:12.000 That is a bonsai tree.
01:21:17.000 And like my sensei said about, he said, it will grow if the roots are strong.
01:21:29.000 And we've been growing the wrong way because we've tried it with patriarchy, as my colleague so vociferously wants us to continue.
01:21:42.000 But it tells me that there's something wrong with the roots.
01:21:47.000 And one thing we do know, there's a lot we don't know.
01:21:49.000 There's a lot that I don't know.
01:21:50.000 I'll have to go do research.
01:21:51.000 And I know you've mentioned your book and out of respect, we'll make sure people know that. 0.96
01:21:57.000 But one thing that we do know is that the roots of women tried growing with those roots.
01:22:07.000 So if we grow with those roots, you will end up with a beautiful bonsai.
01:22:13.000 And I appreciate you taking the time.
01:22:19.000 Also, a public service announcement.
01:22:23.000 If you're online in the era of misinformation and fake news, don't use Foundation, a multivitamin, or their creatine.
01:22:33.000 It causes cancer, just like the roots of patriarchy.
01:22:37.000 We'll see you next time on Devil's Advocate.
01:22:40.000 You can go that way.
01:22:41.000 Devil's Advocate. 0.99
01:22:45.000 With Skylar Turton.