Louder with Crowder - Did Will Smith ATTACK Dave Chappelle?! Douglas Murray LIVE In Studio | Louder with Crowder

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00:01:05.000 I can live with it if you can.

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00:01:33.000 You need to move on This week in Feminita

00:01:53.000 I mean, yeah, I hit him like really hard but He wasn't supposed to do anything about it. He went to the

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00:02:40.000 You're a stranger, but I'm comfortable I'm gonna speed it up

00:02:48.000 I Was just checking to see if all my rights were removed

00:02:57.000 because of Roe v. Wade Nope!

00:03:02.000 Still good.

00:03:03.000 Still there.

00:03:04.000 Still there.

00:03:05.000 I mean, a few more people have been, you know, assaulted in a Molotov cocktail from yesterday, but it feels like everything is about the same.

00:03:14.000 So we'll be talking not only about that, the reactions yesterday, the fallout, and what we most likely see taking place throughout the week, but I'll be sitting down here today with Douglas Murray, author of The War in the West.

00:03:28.000 He is a brilliant guy, also happens to be gay, but that's not all he is.

00:03:34.000 So much more.

00:03:35.000 So much more.

00:03:35.000 And a bag of chips.

00:03:37.000 Is that still being used?

00:03:38.000 Yes, it is.

00:03:38.000 Yes.

00:03:39.000 And a bag of potato chips.

00:03:41.000 Yes.

00:03:42.000 And I do think, man, Karen Carpenter, you guys can, you know what, comment below, name that film reference there for people who don't know what we're talking about.

00:03:49.000 How did she die?

00:03:50.000 Another question is, again, we're pinning the top comments.

00:03:52.000 How has it affected your life?

00:03:54.000 Roe v. Wade.

00:03:55.000 Something that affects our life directly is what happened with Dave Chappelle yesterday.

00:03:58.000 And, you know, it's actually sort of providential that I didn't discuss the conversation I had at Starbucks yesterday.

00:04:04.000 We were going to do that on Mug Club with someone who went on a tirade against Dave Chappelle before this happened, saying that he was anti-trans and that she didn't like his jokes about sexual assault.

00:04:13.000 Well, this is what we're seeing right now.

00:04:14.000 We are seeing a culture of violence because how long can you go on Accusing people of being Nazis, accusing people of being racist, telling women that men want to remove their rights of bodily autonomy before people on the left start treating folks like us like actual Nazis.

00:04:34.000 You know what you're doing.

00:04:35.000 And this isn't the first time.

00:04:36.000 I think something Black Lives Matter, something Barack Obama, that election back then.

00:04:40.000 And then I think there was a pandemic and more riots going into the left.

00:04:43.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:04:44.000 Every time election season rolls around.

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00:04:47.000 They gin up riots and they're violent because they cannot protest any other way.

00:04:51.000 What do you mean by they?

00:04:52.000 I mean the left.

00:04:53.000 Why you gotta do a left-right thing?

00:04:54.000 Okay, show me people on the right right now with Roe v. Wade being violent. 0.98

00:05:00.000 You have to reach back to January 6th with a guy with silly makeup. 0.97

00:05:03.000 Come on. 0.94

00:05:03.000 It's not the same. 0.94

00:05:04.000 It's not 9-11.

00:05:04.000 So, we'll be talking about that more, and Douglas Murray, I'm really looking forward to sitting down with him.

00:05:09.000 Of course, if we get removed, because I have no idea what he's going to say, you can tune in Monday through Thursday, 10 a.m.

00:05:15.000 Eastern, here on Rumble, if you're on YouTube.

00:05:17.000 So if we don't tell you that we're not doing a show...

00:05:20.000 It means we're doing a show, it's just not here on YouTube, because we have no idea when we'll be suspended.

00:05:23.000 And you can just bookmark the page, go check it out.

00:05:25.000 Of course, Mug Club will be doing another, probably another hour with Douglas Murray today.

00:05:29.000 All right.

00:05:30.000 We don't have him here, Gerald A., so we have in his place, and we may keep him in his place, Gerald B., how are you, sir?

00:05:37.000 My, he is stoic.

00:05:38.000 Better personality, though.

00:05:40.000 Well, yeah.

00:05:41.000 Charmer.

00:05:42.000 More, I wouldn't say more lively, but easier at parties.

00:05:45.000 Yes.

00:05:46.000 More comfortable in his own skin.

00:05:48.000 Right.

00:05:48.000 And doesn't ruin everything.

00:05:50.000 Correct.

00:05:51.000 Yeah.

00:05:51.000 Also doesn't double dip.

00:05:52.000 No.

00:05:54.000 Gerald A. double dips everything.

00:05:56.000 Gerald B. just hovers.

00:05:58.000 Doesn't even do the single dip.

00:06:01.000 And you're like, well, that's polite.

00:06:02.000 It's very acceptable.

00:06:03.000 That's polite as a party guest.

00:06:04.000 And you know him, you love him.

00:06:06.000 We'll be talking more about our dates because it relates to Dave Chappelle, but you can go to loudmouthcutter.com slash tour.

00:06:10.000 He's on the road all the time.

00:06:11.000 We'll be announcing a major fall tour soon.

00:06:13.000 Dave, Landa, how are you, sir?

00:06:14.000 Ahoy! 0.99

00:06:15.000 I'm good.

00:06:16.000 Can't complain.

00:06:17.000 Well, you didn't get assaulted on stage.

00:06:19.000 No, not yet.

00:06:20.000 Knock on wood! 0.67

00:06:22.000 Who knows?

00:06:23.000 I mean, I've been, but not recently.

00:06:26.000 Joke's on you, that's faux wood.

00:06:28.000 Oh! 1.00

00:06:29.000 You're gonna be raped! 1.00

00:06:30.000 Yay! 1.00

00:06:31.000 I think that's how it works.

00:06:32.000 Something about rubbing your head in... Is this part of his closer?

00:06:36.000 Yes!

00:06:37.000 You're gonna expect more of that!

00:06:39.000 at latticecraft.com slash tour. Enjoy him in person.

00:06:41.000 So you watch this. This is this is something that's obviously

00:06:45.000 near and dear to our heart before we get to Roe v. Wade, the Dave Chappelle situation. And there are larger

00:06:50.000 ramifications at play here than just Dave Chappelle, just like

00:06:53.000 we talked about this with Chris Rock and Will Smith. So before

00:06:55.000 we show the clip, this is probably something I would assume you were on top of immediately when it happened.

00:06:59.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:07:00.000 Well, like I've said it on the show before, I had opened for Dave before he went away, and then I opened for him when he came back, and it's just interesting to see, especially now, his last special, he included an entire story about his trans friend who committed suicide, included in there, and that wasn't good enough.

00:07:19.000 And the reality is, is that just shows that even if you try, To give somebody what they want and to try to, you know, ingrain yourself into their life and show a little bit of empathy, it doesn't matter.

00:07:30.000 Right.

00:07:30.000 You will never give anybody what they want.

00:07:33.000 Right.

00:07:33.000 It will always be this narrative of it's anti-you.

00:07:37.000 Comedy, like Scott Thompson from Kids in the Hall always said it best.

00:07:41.000 Like, comedy is supposed to be dangerous.

00:07:43.000 There's supposed to be an element of that.

00:07:44.000 Yeah.

00:07:45.000 But it's also supposed to be a relief from everything going on in society.

00:07:49.000 There's supposed to be one thing we can look at.

00:07:51.000 And a society that loses its sense of humor just loses everything.

00:07:56.000 There's no reason to even exist.

00:07:58.000 Well, his last special before that wasn't even a comedy special, it was about George

00:08:01.000 Floyd and went in pretty hard on Candace Owens, and she wasn't all that upset. 0.55

00:08:04.000 Hey, how many right-wing extremists attacked Dave Chappelle on stage?

00:08:09.000 We have a good A-B test here, because he's gone after both sides, and really he's gone

00:08:12.000 after the right for much more of his career than the left.

00:08:16.000 I mean, at one point he was perceived as being anti-white with Comedy Central, and that was

00:08:19.000 something where they wanted to step in and sort of take some creative control.

00:08:21.000 That's not the only reason, but he walked away from a hundred million dollar contract.

00:08:24.000 So when you talk about being bold and brave, and I was talking with this barista at Starbucks, I never go there.

00:08:29.000 I ran out of coffee, okay?

00:08:31.000 So hold your comments.

00:08:32.000 No, you know what?

00:08:33.000 Admonish me.

00:08:34.000 Admonish me.

00:08:34.000 I shouldn't have been in Starbucks.

00:08:36.000 All right, you got it.

00:08:37.000 I should not have been in Starbucks.

00:08:38.000 The only reason I went was because Duncan, they weren't taking cards at the drive-thru.

00:08:42.000 Yeah.

00:08:42.000 Like, we only accept cash.

00:08:44.000 Well, I hope you accept gold coins.

00:08:46.000 Yeah.

00:08:48.000 Duncan.

00:08:48.000 So I had to go to Starbucks and she was talking about Dave Chappelle, this younger barista, and she was saying, I don't like his trans jokes.

00:08:54.000 I think that his jokes about sexual assault.

00:08:56.000 I was like, you really don't know, do you?

00:08:58.000 That, you know, it's not bold and brave to beat women, for example, in a swim meet. 0.95

00:09:02.000 It's a brave move to walk away from $100 million at Comedy Central, which Dave Chappelle did.

00:09:07.000 He actually had skin in the game, serious skin in the game.

00:09:10.000 And had friends take his show.

00:09:12.000 Yes.

00:09:13.000 And then the show went to Mencia, and then the show went to... And I think Key and Peele are brilliant.

00:09:20.000 They're great.

00:09:21.000 But it was a similar... There was a dark period between that.

00:09:24.000 Yeah, there was a dark period between that.

00:09:26.000 Key and Peele were brilliant, but... What are you talking about?

00:09:28.000 That's a beaner joke! 1.00

00:09:30.000 That's retarded! 1.00

00:09:31.000 My dick, man, it don't work. 1.00

00:09:33.000 Oh, boy! 1.00

00:09:36.000 Hey, there are seven words you can't say on television!

00:09:38.000 Like, that's not yours.

00:09:39.000 Yes, it is, bro!

00:09:43.000 Yeah, it's just, yeah, it really was a sad time.

00:09:46.000 But he had this brilliant show, and his friends, you know, a couple of his friends still did the show, they still went with it, and even though the Chappelle Show without Dave there, they really tried to keep playing it.

00:09:56.000 And Dave has always been, I think Killing Them Softly is one of the most brilliant stand-up specials you can ever watch.

00:10:04.000 It's hilarious, he punches on all sides, and it's very personal and real and funny and good.

00:10:10.000 He writes three hours of material a week?

00:10:13.000 He gives everything that has been asked of comedians.

00:10:16.000 That's the thing with Dave Chappelle.

00:10:17.000 Whether you agree with him or not, and I disagree with him on a whole lot, everything that is asked of a good comedian, Dave Chappelle, has given and then some.

00:10:26.000 He writes new material.

00:10:27.000 He's very even-handed in that no side is safe with Dave Chappelle.

00:10:31.000 He's not mean-spirited.

00:10:32.000 He treats his staff well.

00:10:33.000 He treats his fans well.

00:10:35.000 Everything that you could ask of Dave Chappelle, he has given you.

00:10:38.000 He's gracious to new comics.

00:10:40.000 Well, there you go.

00:10:40.000 He's coming to you as openers.

00:10:42.000 Look, it's true, though.

00:10:43.000 You don't see that with everybody.

00:10:44.000 Oh, believe me, I know.

00:10:45.000 Yes.

00:10:47.000 Try opening for someone in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, who promises you nothing more than a ride back to New York and then leaves you there.

00:10:53.000 Oh, good people.

00:10:54.000 Yeah.

00:10:55.000 I'm the sweet side.

00:10:56.000 That's when you see a six-figure check and then they hand you 300 bucks.

00:10:59.000 You're like, oh, yeah, OK.

00:11:01.000 Thanks.

00:11:01.000 I got it.

00:11:01.000 Well, thank you.

00:11:02.000 This is enough to buy rope.

00:11:03.000 Yes, perfectly.

00:11:05.000 Probably not enough.

00:11:06.000 No.

00:11:07.000 Maybe, I don't know, maybe if you do a nice sailor's knot, I don't know.

00:11:09.000 Oh yeah, not rope and gait.

00:11:11.000 I don't know about knots.

00:11:12.000 I'm not a nautical expert.

00:11:14.000 Alright, so this happened, like we just talked about with Dave Chappelle.

00:11:16.000 I wanted to set that up because this affects us personally, but it also affects you personally.

00:11:23.000 Uh, yesterday at, I believe it was the Hollywood Bowl, um, Dave Chappelle was attacked on stage.

00:11:28.000 Now, hold on a second, hold on a second.

00:11:29.000 Spoiler alert. 0.99

00:11:30.000 It has a happy ending because a protester got the shit kicked out of him. 0.99

00:11:34.000 Not protester. 1.00

00:11:35.000 Let's call these people what they are. 1.00

00:11:36.000 Violent thugs. 0.97

00:11:37.000 Someone stormed the stage to try and attack Dave Chappelle.

00:11:39.000 Here we go.

00:11:50.000 No.

00:11:52.000 Was that Will Smith?

00:11:54.000 Yeah.

00:11:56.000 Oh, that's a shame.

00:12:05.000 Yeah, oh, that's a shame.

00:12:07.000 Let me be really clear about my position on this.

00:12:09.000 If that person never walked again and had to sip his food through a straw, I'm not saying that's ideal, I don't wish it upon them, it wouldn't be an injustice.

00:12:16.000 You and I both know when we are, when you're on stage, especially when someone comes up with a replica gun as he did, you can't know the intent.

00:12:23.000 You absolutely have to eliminate that threat.

00:12:25.000 If someone is storming a stage violently, you are, uh, you're taking that risk that you could lose your life.

00:12:32.000 Because you are putting someone else In fear of theirs.

00:12:35.000 Just like if you mug someone at knife point.

00:12:37.000 I wasn't gonna stab him!

00:12:39.000 You know what?

00:12:39.000 The victim can't know that.

00:12:41.000 So, uh, I think that that's a happy middle ground.

00:12:45.000 I don't know what kind of injuries were sustained, but, you know, I'm hoping that there were some.

00:12:48.000 Well, also, I mean, clearly it was self-defense.

00:12:50.000 Dave Chappelle was attacking you with doing his stand-up show when you charged the stage.

00:12:55.000 But words are violence.

00:12:56.000 Oh, that's right.

00:12:57.000 So is silence.

00:12:58.000 Yeah, so you know what else is violence, is what they did to him.

00:13:01.000 That was great.

00:13:02.000 Yes, actual violence.

00:13:03.000 Yeah, they say all lives matter, and this is my proof that they don't.

00:13:07.000 Yes, no, that's true.

00:13:08.000 Honestly, I don't want to just pretend, like, I could care less about the guy.

00:13:13.000 No.

00:13:13.000 These are the- he is the exact- Well, you know this because we've- look, look, and by the way, you can go to ladderwithcrowder.com.

00:13:18.000 You're gonna be in, actually, I don't know if this is a good time to plug it, Copycats! 0.99

00:13:23.000 This week in Springfield, Missouri, Lincoln, Nebraska.

00:13:25.000 So you know what?

00:13:26.000 Go out and support Dave, because he's going to be on stage, and you know this too.

00:13:29.000 I'll be, by the way, I haven't done a comedy club in years.

00:13:31.000 I'm doing it for the first time in July, whatever that week is, the 18th or 23rd, in Spokane, Washington.

00:13:37.000 It's not on the website.

00:13:37.000 It's a great club, dude.

00:13:38.000 My friend Adam runs it.

00:13:39.000 It's great.

00:13:40.000 Well, but it's the reason it's really tough to secure those places.

00:13:43.000 So we've had to take precautions.

00:13:43.000 Yeah.

00:13:45.000 Good luck.

00:13:46.000 I'll be in Spokane this summer.

00:13:47.000 You can just find Spokane Comedy Club if you want to go see it.

00:13:49.000 I'm working out some material for a fall tour, and you'll be doing these dates this weekend.

00:13:53.000 You know, I told you about this before when I was doing Lesson Left before even the pandemic on stage, and I was saying, well, look, you'll kind of experience it.

00:13:59.000 There's a different security risk.

00:14:01.000 And a lot of people think, because a lot of people out there want to act like martyrs on both the left and the right, that it's just, well, okay, you're blowing it out of proportion.

00:14:08.000 You know now.

00:14:09.000 Yes.

00:14:10.000 I'm surprised that that guy got that close.

00:14:12.000 That would never happen at one of our shows.

00:14:14.000 Oh, 15 years ago, I remember going into, like, the Deep South to perform, and just what bouncers would do to a heckler, you know, before really people had camera phones.

00:14:24.000 It was fun to watch.

00:14:25.000 It was, yes.

00:14:27.000 But it's sad that this is what it's come to.

00:14:29.000 That people who are just simply trying to go up on stage, make jokes, have fun, Everybody around you, when you stand up and scream or shout or get upset, without even this.

00:14:40.000 Right.

00:14:41.000 They hate you.

00:14:42.000 They hate you.

00:14:42.000 Yeah.

00:14:43.000 You make everyone uncomfortable.

00:14:45.000 You ruin their entire night.

00:14:47.000 It's awful. 1.00

00:14:48.000 Just shut your mouth and watch the show. 0.98

00:14:50.000 We even had to deal with a positive heckler one time. 0.99

00:14:52.000 I've had this!

00:14:53.000 Remember when our show was at, uh... Was it Evansville or was it, uh... It was in Detroit, remember?

00:14:59.000 Every time it was like, I love you!

00:15:00.000 We were like, okay, good, calm down.

00:15:01.000 No, I just want you to know!

00:15:02.000 We're like...

00:15:03.000 Stop.

00:15:04.000 And then someone, the same person that, when you came out, said, They're taking out your greatest fan! 0.99

00:15:07.000 And you're like, I don't give a shit. 0.99

00:15:08.000 Yeah, it's like, at this point, I don't care. 0.99

00:15:10.000 But I appreciate the sentiment.

00:15:11.000 Right.

00:15:12.000 No, it's- It's hard to like, I like your shirt!

00:15:14.000 You're like, I understand, I'm doing a show.

00:15:16.000 Yes, exactly.

00:15:17.000 It's like, this isn't, this isn't church.

00:15:18.000 Yeah.

00:15:19.000 You can't talk back.

00:15:20.000 This is not an interactive show.

00:15:21.000 It's not a film where you like yell out that he's behind you and I get stabbed.

00:15:25.000 Oh, it's so required to timing, especially in my acts.

00:15:27.000 Like a lot of my stuff, like I'm not dirty at all, but I'm dark and I talk about my true life experiences.

00:15:33.000 Yeah.

00:15:33.000 I need to create attention.

00:15:35.000 That's the idea.

00:15:36.000 Careful with your life experiences because it might trigger someone else who had similar experiences.

00:15:39.000 Oh, that's true.

00:15:40.000 They might attack me.

00:15:41.000 Yeah, the PTSD.

00:15:42.000 And then you might have PTSD and it's a never ending PTSD cycle.

00:15:46.000 Well, I'm white. 0.75

00:15:47.000 It doesn't matter.

00:15:47.000 Exactly.

00:15:48.000 Yeah.

00:15:49.000 Privileged.

00:15:50.000 Living up, growing up in Detroit, being arrested 13 times.

00:15:52.000 You wouldn't know anything about, uh, anything about hardship.

00:15:54.000 Right.

00:15:55.000 I can only have PP.

00:15:56.000 Yes.

00:16:00.000 It is.

00:16:01.000 This is where we, and we're going to get to the protests and the prediction that I made yesterday.

00:16:05.000 How, look, I'm not Nostradamus.

00:16:07.000 It's just, it always happens.

00:16:09.000 When you say this person is a Nazi, this person is a fascist, right? 0.88

00:16:13.000 They say, they use the term yesterday, sexual fascism.

00:16:15.000 By the way, in the comments, no one actually made a case as to what sexual fascism is or certainly how this Roe v. Wade being overturned just having to do with the first trimester in state regulations would affect anyone in a sexually fascist way. 0.95

00:16:29.000 It's so silly I don't even know how to say it. 0.87

00:16:30.000 But you know what? 0.90

00:16:31.000 I'm still willing to hear a case. 1.00

00:16:32.000 But you can say, sexual fascist, Nazi, only so long. 0.99

00:16:35.000 Look, if Hitler were actually here, no one would fault us for punching him in the face. 1.00

00:16:39.000 No.

00:16:40.000 But they want everyone to believe that you are Hitler, that Donald Trump is Hitler, that now Dave Chappelle is Hitler, and so it makes it justifiable to treat those people inhumanely. 1.00

00:16:52.000 No one's going to watch it change my mind and say, hey, I should go out and kick the ass of every single blue-haired lesbian on campus. 1.00

00:16:59.000 If I had a dollar for every Jewish comedian I know who's been called Hitler in the last three years, I'd retire. 1.00

00:17:06.000 It's like, do you even know who you're talking to? 0.64

00:17:08.000 And then the Jewish comedian would shake you down for it. 1.00

00:17:11.000 I'm entitled to a piece!

00:17:12.000 Come on! 0.61

00:17:13.000 His agent?

00:17:14.000 That was at my expense!

00:17:16.000 How about ten percent?

00:17:17.000 Fifteen?

00:17:18.000 What do you say?

00:17:20.000 When I say 10, that's on top of the 30 that already goes, but that's a transaction fee.

00:17:24.000 It's out of my hands.

00:17:25.000 I get the deposit.

00:17:26.000 I want 5% for PR.

00:17:27.000 What, now you're complaining?

00:17:29.000 With all the punching and the joking and the complaining?

00:17:32.000 The point is, don't assault comedians.

00:17:35.000 Don't assault people who happen to be pro-life and don't want babies being killed, whether you think it's a life or not.

00:17:41.000 How about we... This is all coming from one side.

00:17:44.000 That's why they want to make January 6th such a big deal and it wasn't anywhere near as violent.

00:17:50.000 As you saw, not only with... As violent as just last night, and it's only going to get worse.

00:17:54.000 So everyone else out there, by the way, I'm not calling you violent.

00:17:56.000 Keep your head on a swivel.

00:17:58.000 Keep your head on a swivel right now, because I predict that this is going to get worse.

00:18:01.000 And I really, really hope that people see the Dave Chappelle situation.

00:18:05.000 I hope they understand that it's not just a comedian on stage.

00:18:07.000 We have to deal with the threat directly, but it's about silencing all of you, and we just can't.

00:18:11.000 We just... Not another inch.

00:18:13.000 Not one more inch.

00:18:14.000 Well, this is the problem with... We were talking about collateral damage.

00:18:17.000 It's the extremism.

00:18:19.000 It's not collateral damage when it's just the intent.

00:18:21.000 Oh yeah, well that's true.

00:18:23.000 Yeah, it's a fancy way of putting it.

00:18:24.000 Yeah, I don't think Dave saw him running to the stage and was like, I hope I don't end up as collateral damage!

00:18:29.000 Literal direct target.

00:18:30.000 Yes!

00:18:32.000 Yeah, it's so funny because so many people do point out the black KKK sketch that he did in the early 2000s, and it's almost pointed out so much to the point that it's hacky, but it's insane because it's real now. 0.61

00:18:46.000 Yes.

00:18:46.000 You're calling him a white supremacist and a Nazi, and at one point it was a parody because it was so absurd it couldn't possibly exist in our culture, and this is when I was 23.

00:18:59.000 I know.

00:18:59.000 It wasn't that long ago.

00:19:00.000 I know.

00:19:01.000 The way that we've fallen apart as a society in such a small time is mind-boggling.

00:19:06.000 It really is.

00:19:07.000 And it's because the extremists have gone so far, and they're constantly being fueled.

00:19:11.000 They're constantly being fueled by media, everybody else justifying their actions.

00:19:15.000 And because they've been placated.

00:19:17.000 Of course.

00:19:17.000 Too many people have been, oh, I'm scared about that.

00:19:19.000 You know, we'll talk more about that with Douglas Murray, because I know he has strong opinions on that.

00:19:22.000 So how do we get here?

00:19:23.000 Well, let's start with, look, before you get to Dave Chappelle, let's start with the representatives.

00:19:30.000 Roe v. Wade, obviously.

00:19:32.000 This is something that was the leak, which we'll talk about.

00:19:34.000 There's now some new clues as to who might be the leaker.

00:19:36.000 I put down a towel today.

00:19:37.000 Yeah, well, you know, I appreciate it, but still, you can't take a towel with you everywhere.

00:19:41.000 I know.

00:19:41.000 Wear a snuggie.

00:19:42.000 Would it kill you to wear a snuggie?

00:19:44.000 Now, Elizabeth Warren, let's look at the kind of unhinged rant that you hear from our representatives and see if when they talk about Donald Trump-inspiring violence, well, okay, you see what Elizabeth Warren said, you saw what AOC said, and then you see actual violence, right?

00:19:58.000 You see actual violence take place last night.

00:20:00.000 Here's Elizabeth Warren, well, as far as I can remember, the most famous non-Native American yesterday, ranting about Roe v. Wade. 1.00

00:20:08.000 This is what the Republicans have been working toward this day for decades.

00:20:14.000 They have been out there plotting.

00:20:16.000 terribly cultivating these Supreme Court justices so they could have a majority on the bench

00:20:23.000 who would accomplish something that the majority of Americans do not want.

00:20:28.000 69% of people across this country...

00:20:31.000 Where's the manager?

00:20:32.000 Across this country, red states and blue states, old people and young people, want Roe vs. Wade

00:20:38.000 to maintain the SBA.

00:20:41.000 We need to do that, and we have a right.

00:20:45.000 This will fall onto young women, women of color, who are victims of This will fall on those who have been raped.

00:20:56.000 This will fall on mothers who are already struggling to work three jobs to be able to support the children they have. 0.96

00:21:07.000 Well, I am here because I am angry, and I am here because the United States Congress can change all of this.

00:21:20.000 Gosh, she just moves like old white men dance at weddings, you know? 1.00

00:21:25.000 She just moves like an old lady. 1.00

00:21:27.000 This is the youthful exuberance you can expect from today's democratic establishment.

00:21:31.000 Couple of things.

00:21:32.000 First off, the most generous estimate is 1.5 cases when you're talking about abortions are the result of rape.

00:21:37.000 This comes from USA Today, and that's very generous.

00:21:41.000 Okay, I think that's overlay A. Yeah, overlay A. USA Today, 1.5%.

00:21:46.000 That includes rape and incest.

00:21:48.000 Also interesting that she talks about how this will fall on black women, this will fall on poor women, considering if you understand the history of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, a eugenicist and a racist, they deliberately set up shop in black neighborhoods and targeted poor people because they saw it as a form of eugenics. 0.92

00:21:59.000 So this is something that I guess maybe she doesn't necessarily know her own history.

00:22:02.000 And isn't it always convenient when they bring up, and I'm not saying that there are no women like this, just to be clear, But the vast majority are not the upstanding citizen who is the upstanding mom who's working three jobs every day and already has a family and simply can't afford another child, therefore she needs an abortion. 1.00

00:22:24.000 That's the scenario they always paint.

00:22:26.000 The upstanding person who has made no irresponsible decisions, who is not, while we're talking about bodily autonomy, not in charge of her own sexual decisions, could have not prevented this in any way, even though she is of course responsible and took all proper countermeasures Uh, and, uh, happens to have a family already existing and was raped, therefore needs an abortion.

00:22:44.000 That's, that's who this is going to fall upon, says Elizabeth non-Native American Warren. 0.61

00:22:50.000 Do you buy it?

00:22:52.000 Is anyone buying it?

00:22:53.000 That wasn't Dana Carvey?

00:22:57.000 I'm going to be the master of the Senate.

00:23:02.000 I don't, uh, I don't care for it.

00:23:04.000 I just was waiting for her husband to grab a beer out of the fridge and just be like, no.

00:23:10.000 No, Elizabeth.

00:23:11.000 You haven't seen a young person since 1976?

00:23:15.000 I don't, I think the issue is, at least as far as I learned yesterday, is that it's going to the states

00:23:23.000 and people are misinterpreting this at a massive level.

00:23:26.000 Nothing's going to change, really, in your day-to-day life, because the challenge was that the states

00:23:30.000 were regulating abortions in the first trimester, which that's the only thing that Roe v. Wade 0.98

00:23:34.000 expressly forbid against, and so since it went to the Supreme Court, they had to say, is this

00:23:37.000 actually good law, though? Do states have the right, just like other states have the right to put

00:23:41.000 their restrictions or no, later on an abortion it's not really going to 0.99

00:23:45.000 to affect you at all. It simply recognizes that abortion is not a constitutional right,

00:23:51.000 and that's not what Roe v. Wade ever recognized, unfortunately. It was interpreted that way.

00:23:54.000 I don't want to get too nerdy. You can go to yesterday's show. But here's the thing.

00:23:58.000 You see these kinds of reactions from the elected representatives, and we'll get to

00:24:01.000 the riots in a second. We have a montage for you. But of course, it ended up becoming violent

00:24:05.000 last night. I don't know. I know. What? Who could have possibly seen this coming? Here's

00:24:10.000 yesterday's show. And if we don't have enough votes to pass it now, we get everybody on

00:24:15.000 the record, and then we take that to the public in November.

00:24:20.000 We've got less than 200 days until Election Day, Roe vs. Wade.

00:24:24.000 And that's the reason for it.

00:24:26.000 Is intimidation.

00:24:28.000 It's trying to scare people.

00:24:29.000 They're trying to gin up riots and protests right now so that people stay home and don't vote.

00:24:34.000 Or they're trying to convince enough people out there that the right is as extreme as they are, believing that, you know, kids should be put on puberty blockers.

00:24:41.000 This is what your former vice president said, that affirming your child's gender, meaning not their gender, is one of the most important things you can do. 0.65

00:24:48.000 They're trying to say, look at how extremist the right is.

00:24:50.000 They're trying to remove your right to abortion. 1.00

00:24:53.000 Let's make sure that message is heard up until and including elections.

00:24:56.000 This isn't any different than the playbook where Kamala Harris Said they should keep rioting! 0.93

00:25:00.000 And of course you see it, and just like clockwork, you see the protests, and you know it's going to get violent because it's never not.

00:25:11.000 I also tweeted about it two nights ago, just to be clear, and I don't say this to say, look how good I am at predictions.

00:25:16.000 It's so that you guys can take it to the bank.

00:25:18.000 I want you to be able to observe the patterns, where Dave Chappelle shouldn't be a surprise.

00:25:23.000 I want you to be able to keep your head in a swivel and be on guard and protect yourself when you see decisions like this taking place, or when you see, for example, the 2020 election, most free and most fair of all time.

00:25:35.000 I want you to understand That you could be in danger.

00:25:40.000 That's why I tell you beforehand.

00:25:43.000 And I'm not in the business of making a lot of predictions.

00:25:45.000 This is one in which I felt 100% confident.

00:25:47.000 Two days ago on Twitter, I wrote that the, uh, leaker of the draft will undoubtedly be hailed as a hero by the left.

00:25:52.000 It's a clear intimidation tactic to pressure justices.

00:25:55.000 And, uh, that of course the left will respond as they always do when things don't go their way with violence and destruction.

00:26:00.000 You can follow me on Twitter to see more of those because now you're not, you know, if you try and hit the follow button, your cursor doesn't go.

00:26:07.000 And then follow Vox.

00:26:09.000 So, uh, this happened yesterday.

00:26:11.000 Uh, of course, uh, the riots after we broadcast in the morning.

00:26:16.000 Just here.

00:26:17.000 Look, these aren't protesters.

00:26:18.000 Let's watch.

00:26:19.000 Back off.

00:26:20.000 You back off.

00:26:21.000 You back off.

00:26:22.000 Back off.

00:26:23.000 You back off. 1.00

00:26:24.000 Get the f*** out of here. 0.98

00:26:39.000 Hey, remember when the left was talking about January 6th, how we need to respect our officers and honor them? 0.99

00:26:47.000 Not these officers.

00:26:48.000 No, no, that's a white supremacist officer right there. 0.97

00:26:50.000 I mean, he's an olive-toned supremacist. 0.54

00:26:53.000 Sure, he's a little Asian.

00:26:55.000 And the other one's a little Asian. 0.96

00:27:01.000 You're surrounding a guy.

00:27:03.000 Look at that.

00:27:05.000 Bear spray.

00:27:08.000 Yeah.

00:27:09.000 Why would you go?

00:27:10.000 I know. 1.00

00:27:11.000 You're the worst person. 0.99

00:27:15.000 I know. 1.00

00:27:15.000 You're just shitty. 1.00

00:27:16.000 They just sound like demonic banshees. 1.00

00:27:19.000 Well, that's all it is, is there's some rage inside of you, something you haven't dealt with mixed with the fact that you're an idiot that makes you run out and behave like that. 1.00

00:27:28.000 And who could ever possibly insinuate that those people are not pro-life? 0.99

00:27:33.000 And of course, that's not all you're seeing.

00:27:35.000 You're seeing the violence in the streets.

00:27:36.000 You're going to see it get worse, I guarantee you.

00:27:38.000 And of course, this is going to probably play up to the election.

00:27:40.000 That's what they want.

00:27:41.000 Because it serves to highlight.

00:27:42.000 Now, it could backfire, because the left is seen as a party of not respecting rule of law, and you particularly see it with Latino Americans.

00:27:49.000 In the recent polling, which we talked about yesterday.

00:27:51.000 But they want this to serve as a highlight, like with the pandemic.

00:27:55.000 They want something that they can point to every single day, going into an election, going, the Republicans want to take your freedoms away!

00:28:00.000 And it's not just these protests.

00:28:02.000 You are seeing people online, of course, calling for actual violent insurrection on social media.

00:28:08.000 Don't take my word for it.

00:28:10.000 If they actually do this, yeah.

00:28:13.000 That would be the time where rioting would be okay.

00:28:16.000 I got the pitchforks, you get the gas and the torches. 0.99

00:28:18.000 Let's f***ing do that s***. 0.98

00:28:21.000 Stable guy. 0.99

00:28:22.000 You're not forcing... No.

00:28:23.000 No.

00:28:26.000 Yes, we're not going to force you to carry a child to term.

00:28:30.000 Also, instead of a blowtorch, might I suggest a toothbrush?

00:28:33.000 Yeah, while you're getting the gas, do you want to get an application at the station?

00:28:36.000 Yes, yes.

00:28:37.000 Perhaps you could work.

00:28:38.000 Yeah, that is, you know that's the person who grossly abuses the take a penny, leave a penny bin. 1.00

00:28:42.000 Oh yeah, he definitely, he's taking a nickel.

00:28:45.000 Yeah, he brings his own cardboard rollers.

00:28:48.000 Why?

00:28:48.000 It doesn't affect you.

00:28:50.000 Whatever.

00:28:51.000 Yeah.

00:28:51.000 It's just none of this.

00:28:53.000 The fact that you can be this angry about something that's not directly affecting you in the moment just shows me that you have no problems.

00:29:00.000 Maybe that's the issue with an extremely free country.

00:29:03.000 It's, oh, we have it so good we have to invent stuff to be enraged about.

00:29:08.000 Right.

00:29:09.000 Well, and here's the thing.

00:29:10.000 I know people say, well, that's just one random extremist.

00:29:12.000 Again, I present to you.

00:29:13.000 Oh, yeah.

00:29:13.000 So many random years of extremists.

00:29:15.000 One random Yeah, one random extreme.

00:29:18.000 Yeah, it's just an occasion.

00:29:19.000 But let's bring up a mainstream publication with NBCUniversal.

00:29:24.000 Vox, one of their subsidiaries.

00:29:25.000 It's Ian, how do we pronounce it?

00:29:26.000 Is it Ian Milheiser?

00:29:27.000 I've only ever seen his name written.

00:29:29.000 Milheiser?

00:29:33.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:29:33.000 So this is from Vox, wrote, seriously, shout out to whoever the hero was within the Supreme Court who said, Fuck it, let's burn this place down. 1.00

00:29:41.000 So this isn't, again, we're not talking about fringe elements. 0.98

00:29:44.000 You're talking about a fringe element that, by the way, is not even conservative when you're talking about January 6th

00:29:49.000 and wasn't even as violent as just last night.

00:29:51.000 To be clear, the only person who was seriously hurt, who was killed, was a protester.

00:29:56.000 Now, this is what's happening, right?

00:30:00.000 The right, we've talked about this, the right is upset over the leak because it's a crime.

00:30:03.000 The left is upset over the fact that, you know, you might have to go to Colorado to get an abortion well into the third trimester.

00:30:10.000 And, um, well actually, speaking of leaks, we were gonna say we had some up, but it looks like, uh, have you seen that?

00:30:14.000 Yeah, on CNN right now.

00:30:15.000 They have an exclusive.

00:30:16.000 It seems like they may have found the leaker.

00:30:18.000 This is CNN Breaking News.

00:30:29.000 It's a headshot of Toobin.

00:30:31.000 Yeah, it's Toobin.

00:30:34.000 Alright, that's enough.

00:30:35.000 Cut it, cut it, cut it, cut it. 0.99

00:30:37.000 Damn it, cut the audio, Tim. 1.00

00:30:39.000 Cut the audio, damn it! 1.00

00:30:40.000 Shit, sorry. 1.00

00:30:43.000 Wow. 1.00

00:30:44.000 His own headshot.

00:30:46.000 All that guy does is leak stuff.

00:30:48.000 The most trusted name in news.

00:30:49.000 I know.

00:30:53.000 Sorry about that.

00:30:54.000 Yeah, well, you know what?

00:30:55.000 Sorry he doesn't.

00:30:56.000 We're live.

00:30:57.000 Wow.

00:30:59.000 So, let's move on here.

00:31:00.000 We have some other representatives when we talk about people on the left.

00:31:03.000 You have Daniel Uhlfelder, a candidate for Florida AG.

00:31:07.000 He wrote, it's time for revolution.

00:31:09.000 We have some other leftist groups, all references available at ladderwithcrowder.com.

00:31:12.000 It is our moral imperative to show up and stop the continuing slide into explicit fascism by all means at our disposal.

00:31:19.000 And then there's another one.

00:31:20.000 Liberals will march and chant their way right to fascism.

00:31:23.000 Peaceful protests aren't enough.

00:31:25.000 Rage and riot.

00:31:28.000 There you go.

00:31:29.000 Rage and riot.

00:31:31.000 Hey, you know what?

00:31:32.000 This is where you see... You know what fascism is?

00:31:35.000 Is if I am here on this program, and we have to be careful just in using the term line in the sand, because the overlords at big tech might interpret that as a call to violence, when they actually allow real calls to violence.

00:31:50.000 Oh, is that rage and riot?

00:31:51.000 I, you know, I thought at first, I was like, is it allegorical?

00:31:55.000 I don't know, because it says peaceful protests aren't enough.

00:31:59.000 Rage and riot.

00:32:00.000 I don't know.

00:32:01.000 It's up to your interpretation.

00:32:02.000 Exactly.

00:32:03.000 And I don't know about the blowtorch and pitchforks, what he meant.

00:32:06.000 I assume that that was figurative.

00:32:07.000 Yeah, I do too.

00:32:08.000 He looks like he brushes his teeth with a pitchfork.

00:32:11.000 Yes, he does.

00:32:12.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:32:13.000 You mean this isn't a water pick?

00:32:14.000 No.

00:32:15.000 No, no, no.

00:32:16.000 No, the American got- that's not a water pick.

00:32:20.000 I wear a hood in the house.

00:32:23.000 So, look, I want you guys to... I want to see where you are.

00:32:26.000 For me, the line in the sand is the Ministry of Truth, honestly.

00:32:29.000 That, to me, is far worse than what's going on here with these riots at the Supreme Court.

00:32:33.000 I hope that rule of law is enforced.

00:32:34.000 But that is scarier, because guess what?

00:32:36.000 It will make it so that people like us can't even criticize violent actions.

00:32:41.000 And we are directly affected.

00:32:42.000 Like I said, go to loudearthquaker.com slash tour.

00:32:44.000 Dave is going to be in Lincoln, Nebraska this weekend.

00:32:46.000 There are other shows.

00:32:47.000 I'll be in Spokane, Washington in July.

00:32:51.000 Big, big tour in the fall costs us many, many, many, many, many thousands in security because of exactly what you're seeing.

00:32:58.000 But you know what?

00:32:59.000 I think it's almost, we're almost obligated to not stop.

00:33:02.000 We have to.

00:33:03.000 What are we going to do?

00:33:04.000 Live in our house?

00:33:05.000 Lock ourselves down for a year and a half?

00:33:08.000 That worked like a charm.

00:33:09.000 It'll take two years.

00:33:10.000 Because we're going to bring him in, and I don't want you to have to... So, you know what?

00:33:15.000 You can go take your potty break.

00:33:16.000 Yeah?

00:33:17.000 If you have to.

00:33:17.000 Yeah, like the tubing.

00:33:18.000 And let's go.

00:33:19.000 Is he here?

00:33:19.000 He's coming in studio?

00:33:20.000 Yeah, we'll get him in.

00:33:21.000 Alright, the author here, Douglas Murray.

00:33:23.000 We're about to bring him on.

00:33:23.000 I'm looking forward to it.

00:33:24.000 All right.

00:33:25.000 As you can see by the microphone positioning when I do this.

00:33:33.000 Bye.

00:33:34.000 That means he's a guest in studio.

00:33:36.000 This next gentleman, you can find him on Twitter at Douglas K. Murray.

00:33:39.000 This is his newest book, The War on the West.

00:33:43.000 It's got a little bit of a Michael Crichton feel to it.

00:33:45.000 And he is a columnist at the New York Post and The Sun.

00:33:48.000 And what is, hey, Mr. Douglas Murray, I should say, what is an associate editor at Spectator? 0.89

00:33:52.000 That seems like one of those, that's not a bullshit term, is it? 0.98

00:33:55.000 It's a slightly bullshit term. 0.98

00:33:58.000 It's a roving role. 0.99

00:33:59.000 You can sort of do what you like with it.

00:34:02.000 Okay.

00:34:04.000 Roving and what have you.

00:34:05.000 Yeah.

00:34:06.000 That was when I was a Fox News contributor.

00:34:07.000 I found out that that just meant they didn't want CNN to have me.

00:34:11.000 I was like, well, what do I do?

00:34:13.000 They said, well, just don't appear anywhere else and we'll give you money.

00:34:14.000 And I said, okay, and that's what means contributor?

00:34:16.000 I didn't know this.

00:34:18.000 I thought I had to contribute, which I didn't.

00:34:20.000 For people who don't know, and I want to get into a few things that I just find very interesting as far as your point of view, what's this book about, The War in the West, specifically?

00:34:27.000 The War in the West is sort of a culmination of three books I've written, starting with A Strange Death of Europe about migration, then The Madness of Crowds, which was about all the crazy stuff going on with trans and women's rights and gay rights and all that stuff and then this is this is a sort of culmination of it which is just basically my best attempt to try to explain what I think is actually going on in our time which is essentially a war on everything that's ours and an admiration and love of everything that isn't so that you know

00:34:55.000 We admire all traditions apart from our own.

00:34:58.000 The cool thing to do is to love things from other places and to hate everything from our own civilization.

00:35:07.000 Yeah.

00:35:07.000 So that, you know, we're now, I do it in four parts, the war on white people, which I think is an absolute catastrophe waiting to happen, where you tell the majority population that they're appalling and have nothing to be said for them and they have no reason to be proud.

00:35:21.000 And you say this as an obscenely white person. 0.94

00:35:24.000 I am obscenely white. 0.96

00:35:25.000 Yes.

00:35:25.000 I mean, I'm English and Scottish.

00:35:27.000 Yes.

00:35:28.000 No, I mean, I mean, yeah, it's as bad as it comes.

00:35:30.000 Also, I don't know if you qualify as a ginger?

00:35:33.000 Not quite.

00:35:34.000 Not quite.

00:35:34.000 No.

00:35:34.000 But blue eyes?

00:35:35.000 But if I sought from minority status, I could. 0.82

00:35:38.000 But no, the basically, I mean, I think that this this thing of, right, only one group you're allowed to be racist about, and that's white people.

00:35:46.000 So I described that the war on white people.

00:35:48.000 The War on Western History, which is obviously just, we've decided to ransack everything in our past, take it all down, all the heroes, there's no one left, and completely rewrite all Western history to say it's only about slavery, racism, and colonialism, because of course the rest of the world did nothing wrong at all in history.

00:36:05.000 No, I mean, I don't know if you've seen, they're going gangbusters in North Africa.

00:36:09.000 Absolutely.

00:36:09.000 Yeah.

00:36:11.000 Better and better.

00:36:11.000 Yes!

00:36:12.000 And then the third one is the War on Western Religion, which is Not just our Judeo-Christian religion but the secular religion as well.

00:36:21.000 I mean the war on enlightenment values which is just unbelievable and some people might not realize just how advanced that is.

00:36:26.000 And then the war on Western culture where just every single thing that's been produced from the buildings to the art, the music of the West is also just looked at through this anti-racism lens.

00:36:39.000 You know it's all terrible because it's created by those By people who are guilty of those three terrible things, being white, being male, and being dead. 0.95

00:36:48.000 Yes. 0.94

00:36:48.000 And as you know, it's particularly unforgivable to die, because none of the critics who attack the dead white males will ever experience that. 0.94

00:36:57.000 I thought you were going to say if you're a kamikaze.

00:37:00.000 Let's do a kamikaze. 0.85

00:37:02.000 We'll get into the morality sense of it.

00:37:03.000 I thought you were going to say being white, being male, being straight.

00:37:06.000 Well, that's obviously a particular sin.

00:37:08.000 Yes.

00:37:10.000 I mean, it's an abnormal state of affairs.

00:37:13.000 Exactly.

00:37:15.000 Unforgivable. 0.98

00:37:16.000 Well, if we're going, we're talking about sort of the birth of modern civilization, you know, Western civilization, if we're going back to even like Rome, you know, lots of gay stuff. 1.00

00:37:23.000 For sure. 0.87

00:37:24.000 Before my time.

00:37:25.000 Yes.

00:37:26.000 I've heard talk of it.

00:37:27.000 The Greeks.

00:37:28.000 The Island of Lesbos.

00:37:29.000 We were talking about this recently.

00:37:30.000 The history.

00:37:32.000 Very different historical lesbians. 1.00

00:37:33.000 It's not just a bunch of masculine women who shop at Orvis. 0.99

00:37:36.000 A few years ago there was a Channel 5 documentary in the UK.

00:37:41.000 It's not our finest channel.

00:37:43.000 Is that Channel 4?

00:37:45.000 Is that your finest channel?

00:37:46.000 I don't know.

00:37:48.000 It's the last channel on Terrestrial, and they made a documentary called Lesbians Go Mad in Lesbos, and a whole ship of lesbians landed on the island of Lesbos as if they were going to commune with their place of origin. 0.88

00:38:01.000 Of course, the poor locals just had this horror.

00:38:04.000 They live in a very charming island, and suddenly these women are going around waving dildos in the street. 0.99

00:38:08.000 I know, I just imagine there's some beautiful, you know, sun-kissed Mediterranean woman oiling herself on the beaches and then just someone runs in, crushing a natty ice can, like, let's do this!

00:38:18.000 I'm like, oh god.

00:38:19.000 Yeah, it was basically that.

00:38:21.000 Or the British are here, I don't know. 0.97

00:38:23.000 Were they English?

00:38:24.000 I would imagine that the Americans were. 0.96

00:38:25.000 Most of the worst tourists are British, I like to think. 1.00

00:38:28.000 Really? 0.97

00:38:28.000 Oh yeah, sadly, yeah. 0.97

00:38:29.000 Well, because we always hear from the Brits about how the worst tourists are Americans. 0.53

00:38:34.000 Yeah, but we do violence better, I think.

00:38:37.000 That's true.

00:38:37.000 Yeah, mindless violence.

00:38:38.000 Yeah.

00:38:39.000 Well, there's nothing like a good soccer riot.

00:38:41.000 Exactly.

00:38:41.000 Except we have good hockey riots in Canada.

00:38:43.000 We always knew when I was raised in Montreal, if the Canadians won the Stanley Cup, there would be a riot.

00:38:46.000 Right.

00:38:46.000 And if they lost, which was always in my lifetime, they also would riot.

00:38:49.000 Right.

00:38:50.000 Um, so, okay, I want to, because you just covered a lot of ground there.

00:38:53.000 Let me ask you this off the bat, because I know people watching will have a question on this.

00:38:56.000 You define yourself, or I have heard you describe yourself, I don't want to misread, as a Christian atheist or an atheist Christian, am I right?

00:39:04.000 Yeah.

00:39:04.000 What does that mean?

00:39:07.000 Well it means I'm not a believer in God, or at least I find it very hard to believe in God.

00:39:11.000 I'd say maybe agnostic is better, but obviously I'm a Christian because I was born in a Christian civilization, a Christian country, brought up a Christian.

00:39:19.000 So I mean you might, there are people who lose their faith or don't have faith and are Jewish or Muslim, but that's not the same thing as a Christian atheist.

00:39:26.000 Well, I was going to say, because with, you know, for example, Jews, you can be a Jew through religion, through faith, through ethnicity, or through culture.

00:39:33.000 Sure.

00:39:33.000 Whereas Christianity is primarily, you know, it's a decision, the idea of salvation, the idea of making a decision.

00:39:38.000 Yeah.

00:39:39.000 So that's one thing I know.

00:39:40.000 And look, I'm not trying to start this in a contentious way, but I know some people will take... Be as contentious as you like, honestly.

00:39:45.000 I can take it.

00:39:46.000 Well, I know.

00:39:48.000 But I do... Reputationally.

00:39:51.000 No, I see it as someone who's Not necessarily a Christian, believing it in the literal sense, the way that all Christians do, but a Christian sympathizer, like you're talking about, how it acts as the foundation for Western civilization, the Judeo-Christian values, as opposed to the edgy atheists who would just say, well, if I need a god to tell me not to murder or steal, then... Sure.

00:40:13.000 No, I mean, I've known all the edgy atheists, as you call them, and I mean, I just think it's absurd not to concede the fact that much of what we have in America, like Britain, Canada, is derived from Christian ethics, Christian ideas.

00:40:28.000 Why deny that?

00:40:29.000 I mean, you might not believe it but you shouldn't deny it because it's obvious.

00:40:33.000 I mean, what are human rights but a kind of derivation of a form of spilt Christianity? 0.91

00:40:38.000 There's no reason to have human rights.

00:40:41.000 They're not self-evident.

00:40:44.000 So I think that, you know, you should just concede these things where they're true, and even if they're against your interests.

00:40:50.000 And obviously, atheists are against their interests very often, but nevertheless.

00:40:53.000 And I also say that it's important to concede this because you should try to work out, I think, whether you want to engage in sawing off a branch of a tree that you're sitting on.

00:41:06.000 Yeah.

00:41:07.000 And a certain amount of atheism does consist of that, I think.

00:41:11.000 Yeah.

00:41:13.000 I think it's the, like I've always said, it's not the extremes where people say, if I need a guy to tell me to not murder, well, first off, that's also not necessarily universal.

00:41:21.000 Murder is not killing, right?

00:41:23.000 We define murder separate from killing, but what we define as murder is just the byproduct of killing in some of the countries. 0.86

00:41:28.000 But what about the other things like, you know, not committing adultery?

00:41:31.000 What about, like, you know, for example, you know, if you talk like Saudi Arabia, allowing women to drive.

00:41:36.000 You know, things like that, they're not universal values, and that's often taken for granted.

00:41:40.000 But I think some people would just say, well, okay, it's tough to say Christian atheists.

00:41:45.000 They would define it as atheists, but who's Christian sympathetic.

00:41:49.000 Maybe.

00:41:49.000 I mean, if I was Jewish, it would be more straightforward because I'd just be a practicing Jew who didn't believe.

00:41:55.000 Well, but that's because you would be born Jewish ethnically.

00:41:59.000 It would be like, let's say you converted to Judaism, you know, because you had a lady who was Jewish, but then you left her and then you left, but you called yourself Jewish.

00:42:08.000 It's like, well, but you're not Jewish. 1.00

00:42:10.000 Racially.

00:42:11.000 Ethnically.

00:42:12.000 I mean, Christianity is obviously a different matter, but I just think that if you, also if you not only recognize that it's where you've inherited some of your ideas or many of your ideas from, but also ideas that you like, why would you go to war with them?

00:42:26.000 I mean, this was a position I arrived at some years ago.

00:42:29.000 The philosopher Roger Scruton is a great friend.

00:42:31.000 He also wrote this, at the very least don't war on it.

00:42:36.000 Why would you war on something whose products you like?

00:42:40.000 Yeah.

00:42:41.000 So I do have a slightly heretical atheistic standpoint.

00:42:44.000 Okay.

00:42:44.000 Did you always feel this way with Christianity?

00:42:46.000 No, no, no.

00:42:46.000 As a Christian, very... No, I'm saying did you always feel like it had ideas that you liked?

00:42:50.000 Oh, yeah, of course.

00:42:51.000 Well, I mean, I liked... This is one of the things I say in The War on the West is, I mean, I like the civilization I'm from.

00:42:56.000 I like the culture I'm from.

00:42:56.000 Right.

00:42:57.000 I more than like it.

00:42:58.000 I love it.

00:42:59.000 And I don't think it has to be apologized for.

00:43:03.000 I think it's very unusual. 0.87

00:43:04.000 In historic terms, as well as in the world today, and we would be very, very stupid if we assumed that the kind of civilization that we like is by any means the default civilization. 0.80

00:43:17.000 It just isn't. 0.84

00:43:18.000 I mean, you know.

00:43:19.000 That is interesting, actually.

00:43:20.000 bring that up, that it's very atypical historically for, lack of a better term, the winning culture.

00:43:26.000 Well, really, look at the British Empire, right? The world's predominant superpower.

00:43:30.000 You let your number one draft pick get away. We left you guys one century to become the

00:43:33.000 only superpower of the next. Sorry, but sooner or later, we've got to fly the coop. That 0.90

00:43:39.000 being said, when people talk about the United States being an evil empire, I always find

00:43:43.000 it odd when they say, we need to stop with the nation building. It's too expensive. Well,

00:43:47.000 second, people look to the British Empire. It's not expensive.

00:43:51.000 It's profitable.

00:43:51.000 That's what an empire is.

00:43:52.000 You take the resources.

00:43:54.000 We're the only country who go in and then apologize for not doing a good enough job.

00:43:59.000 That's why I went into Iraq and gave all the oil contracts to the French. 0.98

00:44:02.000 Which I don't understand.

00:44:04.000 I don't know why we didn't just take it.

00:44:06.000 That's the one thing, I don't know if you, in the UK, you know, but I've talked about this with Donald Trump.

00:44:09.000 He forced people to pay attention by saying things that were reasonable and the media would say was offensive.

00:44:15.000 So, I don't know if you remember his quote where he said, I would only go if we take the oil and the media's like, can you believe he said we would take the oil?

00:44:20.000 And people at home are like, yeah, we're not.

00:44:21.000 I thought we were.

00:44:22.000 I thought it was a war for oil.

00:44:25.000 That is the norm historically and it's only us that thinks it's unusual and odd.

00:44:33.000 There's a graph in one of Steven Pinker's books about average deaths by violence in society and shows, you know, as I point out in this book, contrary to the sort of Western idea that, you know, you have, you know, you have guilty people in the West and everyone else is innocent, including, you know, all native people.

00:44:52.000 They're always innocent.

00:44:53.000 If you look at the stats on it, like, 60 more percent of, like, in native populations among tribes, people in Africa and elsewhere, the males die violent deaths.

00:45:05.000 This is compared to, like, a small single-digit percentages of males dying violent deaths in Europe in the 20th century, in our worst century.

00:45:05.000 Yes.

00:45:14.000 Right.

00:45:15.000 And a good portion of those, I don't know if you know this, was from nagging.

00:45:20.000 So it's sort of, yeah, from nagging from the wife that died, yeah.

00:45:24.000 I don't know if it was the Black Hills.

00:45:27.000 There was a specific area where they were talking about giving the land back, and I did some research into it.

00:45:32.000 No, no, it's a very good point.

00:45:33.000 When people talk, you know, that goes to the Native American idea of giving, people say

00:45:36.000 give the land back.

00:45:37.000 Like for example, I think, I don't know if it was the Black Hills, there was a specific

00:45:40.000 area where they were talking about giving the land back and I did some research into

00:45:43.000 it.

00:45:44.000 Mm-hmm.

00:45:44.000 Run by four or five tribes who, by the way, were killing, enslaving, raping, scouting, so who do you give it back to?

00:45:49.000 It's like the conquistadors point.

00:45:51.000 I mean, obviously the conquistadors did some terrible things, but the society they walked into was not heavenly.

00:45:57.000 No.

00:45:57.000 Do you know how many conquistadors there were?

00:46:00.000 There was only a few hundred.

00:46:00.000 Yeah.

00:46:01.000 It was only a few hundred, so do the math.

00:46:03.000 It was all of the other enslaved and pillaged and oppressed people who said, we're going to take our chances with the guys in the shiny hats. 0.94

00:46:09.000 And I don't know if you saw this, but just the other day they found another pile of, you know, sacrificed bodies somewhere in Central America.

00:46:18.000 And it's a sort of reminder of something that people in America have forgotten, which is that these These sort of allegedly, you know, more native, more rights to the land's people, you know, they weren't great.

00:46:28.000 And I don't know if you saw, but like a year ago, the California School Board had this thing where they got in religious education lessons, they got the kids to do chanting to the Aztec gods.

00:46:39.000 Yeah.

00:46:39.000 I write a bit about it a bit.

00:46:41.000 It was fantastic because they were like, oh, um, you know, very unpronounceable name, um, uh, make us warriors for social justice.

00:46:48.000 And I looked up the relevant god and it was the god of child sacrifice.

00:46:51.000 Yes.

00:46:53.000 Well sometimes you have to sacrifice a child in order to throw off the chains of systemic racism.

00:46:58.000 Yes, well, this seemed to me, I mean I thought, and also if this God was actually true and was summoned from the dead, he'd be very surprised if the California school board asked for him to come back.

00:47:07.000 And I know you're sort of an agnostic, atheist, Christian, so sympathizer, but in the Christian worldview, if you're praying to the God who sacrifices children, that's a demon.

00:47:16.000 Right, yeah.

00:47:18.000 But that's just, you know, I don't want to get off on technicalities.

00:47:22.000 Generally speaking, as Christians, God's who require, you know, regular sacrifice, you know, the blood of children. 0.61

00:47:27.000 You're probably praying to the wrong guy.

00:47:29.000 Absolutely.

00:47:29.000 And we have got this very weird view in the West that That it is just us that do bad things.

00:47:37.000 Right.

00:47:38.000 And the rest of the world.

00:47:39.000 It was something that Rousseau sort of started in the 18th century.

00:47:42.000 You can blame him.

00:47:43.000 That other people, by the way, people like him didn't know what people were like beyond Europe.

00:47:48.000 He'd never gone further than Switzerland.

00:47:49.000 Right.

00:47:49.000 And he had all these views on, you know, native peoples.

00:47:52.000 There were actually people who followed Rousseau's beliefs.

00:47:55.000 I give an example of a French crew on a ship.

00:47:59.000 They find some Maori people and because they followed Rousseau they believe that the locals are going to welcome them.

00:48:03.000 They all get butchered and eaten.

00:48:04.000 Yes.

00:48:06.000 And the ones that get away think less of Rousseau afterward.

00:48:10.000 I can imagine.

00:48:11.000 That was a disappointment.

00:48:13.000 We were told they were going to welcome us with honey and virgins and they killed us all later.

00:48:17.000 Well, one sadomasochistic genocidist doesn't spoil the bunch.

00:48:21.000 No.

00:48:22.000 And also you shouldn't tar them all with that.

00:48:24.000 No, exactly.

00:48:25.000 Just because...

00:48:28.000 It was a cannibalistic episode right there. 0.93

00:48:31.000 Exactly, it's an episode.

00:48:32.000 It's the temporary cannibal plea.

00:48:36.000 I was, look, I was temporarily a cannibal.

00:48:38.000 I'm no longer, your honor, and I think I should be free to go.

00:48:40.000 Well, good enough for me.

00:48:42.000 Which brings me to my, you know, my question, and actually I think you've already answered. 0.95

00:48:45.000 I was going to say, I notice you don't say like, like Muslim atheist, and that's largely because half of you would have to kill the other half. 1.00

00:48:52.000 Muslim-atheist is trickier. 0.97

00:48:56.000 There are some now.

00:48:56.000 When I first started writing about Islam, about 20 years ago, I was told there was an event at a university in London where somebody stood up and said at an event, I was born a Muslim but I'm a non-Muslim now, and the whole place went bananas and the event had to be called off because everyone started attacking each other.

00:49:12.000 By now, by the way, interestingly enough, by the last five years or so I've discovered actually it's not uncommon at events for people to publicly or certainly afterwards, you know, sort of semi-publicly announce that they are a non-Muslim now, that they're a Muslim atheist.

00:49:12.000 I can imagine.

00:49:27.000 And that actually gives me some hope because it suggests that people are more free to leave the religion if they're in the West than they used to be. 0.93

00:49:35.000 And that actually the sort of freedoms that other people enjoy in the West to go in and out of religions as they see fit could actually be allowed to apply to Muslims as well, which is all... Yeah.

00:49:35.000 Right.

00:49:44.000 No, a lot of people convert to Islam in the United States in prison.

00:49:49.000 That's true, just so you know.

00:49:50.000 They say like, ah, it's one of the fastest growing religions.

00:49:53.000 Yes, if you count cell block D. I have a friend in the UK, a journalist called Julie Birchall, and she some years ago said, we were talking about the issue of women who convert to Islam, which is a very interesting point. 0.99

00:50:06.000 Well she said, she said, Douglas said, they're the same stupid bitches what write letters to prisoners who've mass-murdered people and asked to marry them. 1.00

00:50:15.000 So there is a certain type of woman who writes to convicts and wants to be their lover. 1.00

00:50:21.000 So it's the same thing.

00:50:23.000 Yeah, I write that to female inmates, but it's just a conjugal visit, so I just want to put a smile on their face.

00:50:28.000 Well, of course, now we know, from the trans prisoners that we were told wouldn't ever happen, that women can be impregnated by fellow female inmates. 0.98

00:50:38.000 We had that episode removed from YouTube, where we discussed that story.

00:50:42.000 And they removed it, so now we have to be careful, because they said, oh, you can't do that, because that would insinuate... It's like, hold on a second, I didn't say all trans people are inmate rapists.

00:50:51.000 I said this one was. 1.00

00:50:52.000 Yeah, it's like the woman with a penis who screwed the wheelie bin in Sheffield in the north of England the other day. 1.00

00:50:59.000 Did you see that? 1.00

00:51:00.000 The wheelie bin?

00:51:01.000 Oh yeah, wheelie bin.

00:51:01.000 It's a trash can.

00:51:03.000 Oh, is it a trash can?

00:51:04.000 You call it the wheelie bin?

00:51:05.000 She did.

00:51:07.000 I don't know, is that a term in England?

00:51:10.000 The wheelie bin? 1.00

00:51:11.000 Yeah, but it's not commonly put together with the word sex toy or her penis. 1.00

00:51:17.000 You don't usually have sex with it. 0.99

00:51:20.000 Most people don't. 0.93

00:51:21.000 They just take the trash out in it and they leave it alone.

00:51:24.000 Requires some outside the wheelie bin thinking. 1.00

00:51:26.000 But this woman with a penis did indeed use the wheelie bin as a sex toy. 1.00

00:51:35.000 In case YouTube is watching, that's, that's fine. 0.99

00:51:38.000 Well, it's not entirely out of the purview of its role as a deposit box.

00:51:41.000 It's, it's not very ladylike behavior.

00:51:44.000 That's true.

00:51:44.000 But it is a woman doing it.

00:51:47.000 Yeah.

00:51:47.000 Stephen.

00:51:48.000 Some would debate you over, you know, this small fact of the cock.

00:51:52.000 So let me ask you about this, because actually I do want to talk about Islam and the West a little bit, then we can move on to kind of talk about not just Islam in the West, but also, you know, you sort of talked of I mean, if people want to use the term sort of original sin, but really implicit bias and the idea of the sins of our fathers and slavery.

00:52:09.000 And that, to me, has been very interesting.

00:52:11.000 There've been quite a few pieces of writing on the North African slave trade, the Mediterranean, all that.

00:52:16.000 Like you just said, listen, I want to be clear, slavery, bad.

00:52:18.000 I think we both agree, right?

00:52:19.000 I don't want to put words in your mouth.

00:52:20.000 And nobody has done it for a long time in our families, if they ever did it.

00:52:27.000 I don't want to misspeak. 0.99

00:52:28.000 I do have a great, I do have a grandmother who was just kind of a bitch. 1.00

00:52:31.000 So I don't know. 0.99

00:52:32.000 Yeah.

00:52:33.000 So I don't know.

00:52:34.000 She's dead.

00:52:35.000 She's fine.

00:52:37.000 So I did want to talk about that.

00:52:38.000 A lot of people, we missed this because we were discussing the Libs of TikTok story while this was happening.

00:52:41.000 But it was amazing to see the actual surge in search traffic.

00:52:44.000 Meaning people were looking for this story, and it's very hard to find accurate reporting on the story.

00:52:48.000 These are, we have a, I think we have a montage here regarding the Islamic riots in Sweden for people who don't know.

00:52:55.000 If I'm not mistaken, it's someone running for office who allegedly burnt, burned a Qur'an.

00:53:00.000 Did burn a Qur'an.

00:53:01.000 Yeah, well I was just saying it so that people don't bomb me, but thanks.

00:53:03.000 I mean, I think you're allowed to say somebody burned a Qur'an without people burning you.

00:53:09.000 Right, of course.

00:53:10.000 I'm also quite sure that I've accidentally burned a Qur'an. 0.79

00:53:12.000 Have you?

00:53:13.000 Strike anywhere matches, Qur'an not a good place to start. 0.95

00:53:15.000 Do you remember there was also a flushing the Qur'an down the lavatory story some years ago?

00:53:19.000 Yes.

00:53:20.000 It was claimed at Guantanamo Bay that an American officer had flushed the Qur'an and my friend Mark Stein wrote a piece the next day titled My Qur'an Won't Flush.

00:53:30.000 Yes!

00:53:31.000 He said there's no way it can get round the U-bend.

00:53:33.000 No, well, we also did a sketch where, you know, we, uh, well, Bob Ross painted Muhammad.

00:53:38.000 Oh, yes.

00:53:39.000 And that one got us into quite a bit of trouble.

00:53:41.000 I remember that.

00:53:43.000 I didn't care very much.

00:53:44.000 So here we have a clip of the riots that were taking place in Sweden over the burning of a Quran.

00:53:48.000 and then we'll get back to it for context.

00:53:50.000 I'm gonna go get my phone.

00:54:02.000 Yeah.

00:54:05.000 Fury at the authorities.

00:54:07.000 The police targeted by protesters in this residential area in Norrköping.

00:54:12.000 Several vehicles were set on fire.

00:54:15.000 At least 17 people were arrested.

00:54:17.000 Flashpoints have stemmed from a series of organized rallies since Thursday led by the leader of a Danish far-right political party currently on tour in Sweden.

00:54:28.000 Inflammatory events that include the actual burning or threat of burning of the Quran.

00:54:35.000 And it's War in the West, author Douglas Murray.

00:54:36.000 I assume it's available on Amazon for as long as they... Absolutely.

00:54:39.000 Were you about to say something right from this video?

00:54:41.000 No, I was just going to say, I actually mentioned that Quran burning always leads to that. 1.00

00:54:46.000 If you remember in America when that Florida pastor said he might burn a Quran.

00:54:52.000 He got a call for David Petraeus asking him not to.

00:54:55.000 If you're in America and you want to burn a crown, you can get straight to the top of the Pentagon within hours.

00:55:02.000 By contrast, I think two years ago it was reported in some of the press that some Bibles

00:55:07.000 had been burnt in Portland, Oregon at an Antifa protest.

00:55:13.000 And this was immediately denounced by various people as being Russian propaganda and much

00:55:18.000 more.

00:55:19.000 And eventually I cited the New York Times looks into it finally and says, well, it is

00:55:23.000 possible that some Bibles were burnt, but they were only used as kindling.

00:55:28.000 But, like, nobody goes bananas over that.

00:55:33.000 Nobody... I mean, they've already burnt down Portland, so you don't need to burn it down again.

00:55:35.000 No, exactly.

00:55:36.000 I was going to say, they must not have been looking hard for kindling.

00:55:38.000 I think they've run out.

00:55:41.000 Just go to the old courthouse, just pull off the old north wall.

00:55:44.000 I tell you, there is not much left to destroy in that.

00:55:47.000 So anyhow, but the point is, is it nobody in the West, no Christian goes nuts about this?

00:55:54.000 No.

00:55:54.000 It's only with the Qur'an, it's only with Islam.

00:55:56.000 Well, it's also very physical, right, when people, this is also why the idea of, you know, dipping bullets in like baking grease, when people used to talk about this in the war on terror, it's because when you are dealing sometimes in that situation with But we have in most of the West, we've completely just agreed to the terms of Islamic blasphemy. 0.96

00:56:13.000 So they believe in a very physical manifestation of heaven that you go to the body you have here

00:56:16.000 And so the Quran is very important to its very physically holy whereas for us. It's just it's just another it's a 1.00

00:56:21.000 communication device for we Don't yeah, God isn't the Bible. It's just a thing

00:56:26.000 But we have we have in most of the West we've completely just agreed to the terms of Islamic blasphemy. I mean we 1.00

00:56:32.000 just have yeah Yeah.

00:56:35.000 Some years ago, I should have just mentioned Mark Stein, but we used to speak each year, every five years, at the reunion of the Danish cartoons controversy.

00:56:45.000 By the last time there was an anniversary, I think the 10th anniversary, not only would none of the papers, including the paper that originally published the cartoons, publish them again, But the only place in Denmark, which it was safe, because they'd had another attack on a free speech event just before, the only place safe enough to have our event was the Danish Parliament, because it's the only building with walls thick enough to withstand a bomb.

00:57:09.000 So walls work.

00:57:10.000 So walls work.

00:57:11.000 Castle walls like those of the Christiansborg in Copenhagen.

00:57:15.000 But the point is that we've basically conceded this point, that you shouldn't insult Mohammed, you shouldn't draw Mohammed, you've got to go on those terms, you've got to call him the Prophet and all that stuff, and they've made the price of not doing that quite high.

00:57:29.000 And occasionally people like this Danish politician try to make this point, it's just, you know, it's never done in an ideal way.

00:57:34.000 But, you know, it's always that thing.

00:57:37.000 Well, see, that's the difference, I think, between just trying to, and I totally support his right to do it, just trying to incite some sort of controversy, whereas I did the Quran challenge back in 2009. 0.71

00:57:47.000 I did a Three Stooges routine of Muhammad beating his two wives, his six-year-old wife, and we did the Bob Ross. 0.96

00:57:54.000 Now, the idea there is, that's pretty funny, the idea was Bob Ross is so tone-deaf he doesn't realize he's all jovial, he's painting Muhammad.

00:58:00.000 To me, that's funny.

00:58:02.000 But I don't need to agree with the reasoning that anyone is doing it, but I will say it makes it very difficult for people like me to stand out there and just treat Islam as you would any other religion in the realm of comedy when everyone else is terrified of it.

00:58:17.000 It makes it really difficult.

00:58:19.000 It really does.

00:58:19.000 Like you say, it creates this almost mass hypnosis.

00:58:21.000 There's a terrific Dutch comedian called Hans Tewin.

00:58:25.000 And he has a line in one of his recent shows, he said, he said, people say to me, why don't you take the mickey out of Islam like you do with other religions?

00:58:32.000 And I say to them, but what is funny about Islam? 1.00

00:58:36.000 When I think of Islam, I just think of joie de vivre. 1.00

00:58:40.000 Yeah.

00:58:42.000 Yeah.

00:58:43.000 They're they're happy folk.

00:58:43.000 Yeah, very well.

00:58:45.000 I mean, and if not, you know, they could the good thing is they get to take it out on their their broads. 0.83

00:58:49.000 So it relieves the old tension to loosen the shoulders.

00:58:53.000 Do you think As someone who defines yourself as a Christian atheist, we can discuss that there on Mug Club on the disagreement, but going with that premise, do you think that Islam, meaning actual Islam, not people who've left the faith or sort of secularists who at one point were Muslim,

00:59:12.000 Dr. Ben Carson got into a lot of flack for this where he said that the Quran is not compatible with the Constitution, but that was effectively echoing the idea that the Quran and Sharia law are not compatible with Western civilization.

00:59:24.000 Do you think that's an accurate assessment?

00:59:26.000 Well, it's not compatible if you were to try to put the laws of the Qur'an in place, obviously not.

00:59:31.000 I mean, obviously not.

00:59:31.000 Right.

00:59:33.000 But I think there might be a misunderstanding about that, which is, can it work underneath the law of the land?

00:59:37.000 Well, obviously it does, because lots of Muslims are just peaceful and go about their daily life with their beliefs.

00:59:41.000 It would only be if you tried to impose the laws of it on America that, of course, it wouldn't work.

00:59:44.000 But that brings us to a problem, doesn't it?

00:59:46.000 Anywhere that you have a majority Muslim, it does become the law of the land. 0.97

00:59:49.000 And so that's where people talk about... Well, that's what I got into some trouble about over a couple of books about the strange death of Europe was

00:59:57.000 that it was subtitled Immigration, Identity and Islam and what everyone, what my

01:00:03.000 critics hated about the book was that I kept coming back to this point which is

01:00:09.000 that when a number of believers get above a certain level the question of

01:00:14.000 compatibility stops becoming abstract.

01:00:17.000 You have to hope that you've got lots of unbelievers, or not devout people, because if you were to get a certain percentage of devout people, then obviously the customs of your own country are going to change. 0.98

01:00:28.000 And they'd have to because the people have changed.

01:00:30.000 Right.

01:00:32.000 But that's among all the unpopular points I've ever managed to make in my life.

01:00:37.000 Going into that one is one of the least popular.

01:00:39.000 People hate the idea that somebody moves from one country to another and doesn't immediately take on all of the values of the country they've moved to.

01:00:49.000 Right.

01:00:49.000 Well, that's the issue here, really, in the United States, right?

01:00:51.000 They're an extreme minority, Muslims, compared to the general population.

01:00:56.000 But the concern is, anywhere you look where there is an Islamic country, Sharia does become the law of land, which is very different, by the way.

01:01:03.000 Judeo-Christian principles, and I think that you, I don't know if you read about it in this book, but I know that you've talked about it at length, inform The values that are the foundation of the law of this country.

01:01:15.000 There isn't a biblical prescription for the laws of a society that might consider itself a part of modern Christendom.

01:01:22.000 The Koran is different because it is just as much a set of political beliefs, values, and a set of rules as it is a religion, and that's why it's so different. 0.83

01:01:30.000 Yeah, that's always been a big problem.

01:01:31.000 It's a political project as well as a religion.

01:01:34.000 People can avoid the political project and just be involved in the sort of spiritual part.

01:01:38.000 But, yeah, I mean, it's a case in majority Muslim countries across the Middle East and the Far East that, you know, if you actually try to enact what's there, it's not a happy situation. 0.99

01:01:50.000 I don't know if they can, though.

01:01:51.000 I don't know with Islam compared to, you know, a lot of sort of the Eastern, whether it's like Buddhism, Taoism, or, you know, what I very, you know, colloquially refer to as the inconsequential religions.

01:02:03.000 That, uh, you know, I don't know that you can just sort of do tantric yoga and, you know, okay, it's just something I dabble in. 0.56

01:02:09.000 Islam is not always something you dabble in, because they say if you dabble and you go in and out, the prescription is for you to be killed.

01:02:14.000 Well, most Western people don't understand that, you see.

01:02:16.000 Most Western people, again, they think that, um, you might do Islam, you might do yoga, it's kind of the same thing.

01:02:21.000 Right.

01:02:22.000 And, uh, there's been a certain amount of my life when, yeah, that's not the case.

01:02:25.000 Whereas I can be a Christian and still touch my toes.

01:02:25.000 Yeah.

01:02:29.000 They're not incompatible.

01:02:30.000 Well, you know what, before we go to the Mug Club Extended, he asked me, he came in, he was very polite, he said, now, is that colored water?

01:02:37.000 I said, no, that's hard liquor.

01:02:38.000 We're not subject to the FCC rules, so afterwards, yeah, you'll get me to do a nice, what is it, happy baby pose?

01:02:44.000 I don't know. 0.92

01:02:45.000 One thing I do like, though, I was reading about this, Islam, you know what, look, credit where it's due, child rapists get crucifixion, execution. 0.96

01:02:53.000 Come on. 0.97

01:02:55.000 That's net positive.

01:02:56.000 That one's not bad. 0.80

01:02:59.000 For child rapists, I'm just saying. 0.77

01:03:00.000 I mean, I don't know. 1.00

01:03:01.000 I mean, I'd take, like, burning them in a cage. 0.99

01:03:04.000 Right. 0.95

01:03:06.000 Let me ask you this, though, while we're talking about throwing them off a rooftop. 0.98

01:03:11.000 Something for child rapists. 0.76

01:03:11.000 I'm just saying, something. 0.76

01:03:12.000 The rehabilitation rate is very, very low.

01:03:16.000 But a lot of people, while we're sort of talking about this sin of Have you been watching on HBO, Winning Time, the Lakers story?

01:03:26.000 It's pretty good, apparently not very accurate, but one of the players was going on this monologue in the show.

01:03:32.000 He was speaking to the actor who portrays Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and talking about how this sin of slavery in America and how they look at black people and how, you know, my mother used to say, Mom, My mom used to say, God loves you, but I would say, why did we start at the bottom?

01:03:49.000 And she said, well, that's because God loves white people more. 0.83

01:03:51.000 And it was a screed about slavery.

01:03:52.000 And I'm sitting there going like, okay.

01:03:53.000 Almost any film.

01:03:55.000 I've heard that in every film I've seen in the last 10 years.

01:03:57.000 Well, I didn't say it was particularly deep.

01:03:59.000 No.

01:03:59.000 But it's in sort of the public mind right now.

01:04:03.000 And every time I watch it, I go, well, yeah, that's terrible.

01:04:05.000 Obviously, if you're talking about slavery, you're talking about ancestors who grew up on a cotton, in the cotton fields, picking cotton. 0.89

01:04:10.000 But it's still happening.

01:04:14.000 There are 40 million slaves in the world today, which is more than there were in the 19th century.

01:04:17.000 Yes, exactly.

01:04:18.000 And that's a number that people didn't believe when we make our references publicly available because they thought that can't be right.

01:04:23.000 Sort of like there are more trees now than at any point in the 19th century.

01:04:28.000 And when people understand that a big reason for that is modern sort of mega farms, so a lot of the land after, you know, when really we were a sedentary lifestyle, right?

01:04:35.000 You had the agricultural revolution before the industrial revolution.

01:04:37.000 Everyone had a farm.

01:04:38.000 Now very few people have a farm.

01:04:39.000 That's taken up with trees.

01:04:40.000 So when people do a little bit of diving into it, they go, okay, I guess that makes sense.

01:04:45.000 But particularly the Islamic world. 0.81

01:04:47.000 Yeah, yeah, of course. 0.88

01:04:47.000 Slavery. 0.88

01:04:48.000 Well, I make this point, and I'm very keen to get this out there.

01:04:52.000 Because Americans, in particular, think they're uniquely guilty, and everyone else was uniquely innocent. 0.70

01:04:59.000 They don't know that every single civilization in history had slavery of some form.

01:05:03.000 and if we start to tear down everything that was created by slaves, we're going to have to like

01:05:07.000 remove the pyramids in Egypt. I mean that was not done by people who are paid a fair day's wage.

01:05:12.000 No, the aliens don't accept minimum wage. 0.99

01:05:14.000 They, phew, that's not in California.

01:05:17.000 I watched the history chat.

01:05:18.000 But you know, there's this thing in America where not only are people injected with this idea that

01:05:26.000 they specifically did it, but they also have no context of what happened in the rest of the world.

01:05:31.000 They don't know that if up to 12 million people were taken across the Atlantic in the transatlantic slave trade, most not to America remember, but maybe up to 18 million, 1.8 million, were taken east in the slave trade of Yes.

01:05:46.000 Black Africans selling their brothers and sisters eastwards to the Arabs. 1.00

01:05:49.000 Why do we not know about this? 0.97

01:05:50.000 Because the Arabs castrated all the males so there would be no next generation of black Africans in their area. 1.00

01:05:56.000 Right.

01:05:56.000 This was actually a genocidal slave trade, which the transatlantic slave trade for all its appallingness was not.

01:06:01.000 It did not intend to annihilate the people.

01:06:04.000 Which to make them force them to work.

01:06:04.000 Right.

01:06:07.000 But I mean, nobody knows this about the Arab slave trade.

01:06:10.000 And when I make this point, people say, oh, that's whataboutery.

01:06:13.000 It isn't whataboutery.

01:06:14.000 It's what we used to call context.

01:06:16.000 And in an era where the American public are being told, you know, reframe your founding date to 1619 so you can feel more guilty.

01:06:24.000 Um, let's, you know, talk endlessly about something that was settled two centuries ago as if we still haven't addressed it.

01:06:30.000 I mean, you get these ignoramuses now who come out in America and go, we've never had this discussion. 0.79

01:06:34.000 We had this discussion again and again. 0.93

01:06:37.000 Problem is you don't know about it.

01:06:38.000 Right. 1.00

01:06:39.000 And it's, things not happening Is not the case just because you're ignorant. 0.99

01:06:44.000 Exactly. 0.68

01:06:46.000 But I'm very keen that people get out of this because this thing of saying to one group of people, and again that the majority, you're guilty.

01:06:54.000 You have to say no.

01:06:56.000 No American life today is guilty of the slave trade.

01:06:59.000 By the way, also, they don't have inherited guilt.

01:07:02.000 If we're going to go into the concept of inherited guilt, let's do inherited guilt for everybody.

01:07:06.000 Let's go and find who in Africa is guilty because their ancestors sold their neighbors. 1.00

01:07:12.000 Let's find out who in America is descended from slaves and slavers. 0.99

01:07:17.000 If you want to do this, this is going to be the ugliest damn exercise you've ever tried. 0.91

01:07:21.000 They're talking now about reparations again in the United States without realizing, you know, this is a country where it appears to be outrageous to demand somebody shows ID when they go to the voting booth. 0.92

01:07:33.000 And they're talking about working out who is owed reparations for something that happened to their ancestors 200 years ago?

01:07:38.000 Right.

01:07:41.000 I can't stress it enough.

01:07:43.000 Americans and others have to stop falling for this thing of inherited guilt.

01:07:48.000 You're not guilty for anything you didn't do.

01:07:50.000 You're guilty for things you did yourself, but again going back to the Christian ethic, the sins of the father. 0.97

01:07:54.000 The sins of the father ethic is deemed to be wrong for all sorts of reasons, but the sins of the great great great great could have possibly done something father ethic No way.

01:08:06.000 No way.

01:08:07.000 No.

01:08:07.000 I think that's a very good point, and I just think the context is important.

01:08:11.000 I think, you know, you just said, you used the term ignoramuses, which is a much nicer way of saying assholes. 1.00

01:08:18.000 Wankers also does that. 1.00

01:08:19.000 Yes, wankers. 0.99

01:08:19.000 Though that has a sexual connotation. 0.99

01:08:21.000 You needn't have a sexual connotation.

01:08:23.000 Well, I prefer to have a sexual connotation. 0.99

01:08:25.000 But it is one of those situations where, like you said, these people are ignorant. 0.99

01:08:28.000 There was recent polling. 0.93

01:08:30.000 I don't remember when we addressed it in the show.

01:08:32.000 The reference will be available in some show map.

01:08:34.000 But that showed, you know, Generation X and older millennials were the least racist of the generations.

01:08:39.000 And then younger millennials in Generation Z were, and by racist, I mean willing to identify

01:08:45.000 people primarily through race, being racially conscious, believing, perceiving discriminatory

01:08:51.000 slights based on race, more than Generation X or older millennials.

01:08:56.000 Because in our generation, we've talked about this, I did grow up in, and people say it's

01:08:59.000 just because you're white. 0.61

01:09:01.000 You know, because I had friends who were black, and we watched the same show.

01:09:03.000 Right, same here.

01:09:04.000 It was actually colorblind.

01:09:04.000 Same here.

01:09:05.000 Yeah.

01:09:06.000 And you didn't say, my black friend.

01:09:08.000 No, you didn't.

01:09:09.000 And then you have a gap, and now you have kids where it's been revived.

01:09:12.000 And like I said, so they don't know that this conversation has taken place, and we sort of said, all right, so now we get, okay, Fresh Prince.

01:09:18.000 The biggest name in all of cinema and television is going to be Will Smith.

01:09:22.000 And we're going to be watching and consuming black culture. 1.00

01:09:25.000 I think, I mean, for crying out loud, you look at the collaboration efforts that have taken place between hip-hop artists And punk rock artists, I think, was it Pearl Jam?

01:09:33.000 I don't know, anyway.

01:09:35.000 There's a generation that's got a totally wrong view of what this society is, what the Western societies are.

01:09:43.000 You know, when I was growing up in Britain in the 80s, you know, the main evening news was read on main channel by a very famous black female broadcaster, and the main news on the other channel was read by a famous black male broadcaster.

01:09:55.000 We didn't lack black representation at all.

01:09:58.000 We were perfectly used to it.

01:10:00.000 This generation has come along now that doesn't know any of this.

01:10:03.000 They don't know that, like, they think that black people were completely absent from the public square until they came along.

01:10:10.000 And it's flat and wrong.

01:10:10.000 Yeah.

01:10:12.000 You can prove now that in America in particular you have a generation that is absolutely ill-informed about the country they're in.

01:10:19.000 Look at these cases of Of moral panics on campuses.

01:10:24.000 I mean, you'll be familiar with them.

01:10:25.000 But I mean, I do a section on the book on this.

01:10:29.000 There's one of the universities, somebody says they've spotted a member of the KKK on campus.

01:10:35.000 The campus goes into lockdown.

01:10:37.000 This is in 2016.

01:10:38.000 The campus goes into lockdown.

01:10:41.000 They find the person and it turns out to be a Dominican monk carrying a rosary.

01:10:46.000 The person who spotted the KKK person claims he was carrying a whip.

01:10:49.000 It's a Dominican monk with a rosary.

01:10:52.000 This turns out, this is not a one-off.

01:10:54.000 This is quite common in the last decade in American campuses.

01:10:56.000 They go into lockdown.

01:10:57.000 One goes into lockdown when a pair of shoelaces is found, a wet shoelace is found hanging on a hook and somebody says this is an attempted lynching.

01:11:07.000 It isn't!

01:11:07.000 Somebody found a shoelace and they put it up there.

01:11:11.000 My point is this happens again and again and again.

01:11:13.000 And why is it?

01:11:14.000 It seems that...

01:11:16.000 There is a part, at least, of this generation that's coming up that believes that they live in a country where the KKK routinely gather on campuses or just wander alone, you know.

01:11:28.000 When I was in Seattle a little while ago, they had the Whole Foods, what was left of it, had a great big sign up saying, racists are not welcome here.

01:11:35.000 Well, we didn't think that it was a gathering place for the Klan.

01:11:39.000 What's the view you've got of your country that is so off?

01:11:44.000 No, and you know who's probably more responsible for, uh, racists in 2022 than the Klan?

01:11:49.000 Tyler Perry. 0.93

01:11:51.000 And I'm only saying that half-joking, because obviously the content is crap, but, you know, we had, uh, uh, Family Matters, we'd have Fresh Prince of Bel- it was very mixed. 0.94

01:11:57.000 And now, you've siloed BET and Tyler Perry, this is the Black Channel. 0.95

01:12:01.000 Right.

01:12:02.000 And a big part of that is you don't want to culturally appropriate.

01:12:05.000 And so you have people who are afraid to take part in each other's cultures.

01:12:08.000 And so really now we've created, just like we have with music, just like we have with television in general, right, sort of the consumption of entertainment, everything is fragmented.

01:12:16.000 We've sectioned people off.

01:12:18.000 Yes.

01:12:18.000 And they now do this thing of, the worst is in the publishing industry in a way.

01:12:24.000 That may sound rarefied but I can tell you.

01:12:27.000 People say there aren't enough people of colour represented and there aren't enough trans people being published.

01:12:33.000 Every publishing house is scouring the land for any transsexual they can find to publish a memoir. 1.00

01:12:41.000 This is bonanza publishing decade if you're trans, or if you're a woman, or if you're a person of color.

01:12:47.000 It's completely the opposite of the way it's portrayed.

01:12:52.000 And the part of that is they don't even know that black people have a very, very rich history of publishing and writing books before they came along to save them, and suddenly force people into the publishing industry. 0.73

01:13:06.000 It's a complete misunderstanding of the past and the present.

01:13:10.000 And it's just, I don't know how you course-correct people who've got a completely wrong vision of everything up till themselves, and also misunderstand their own era.

01:13:20.000 Well, I think you're doing your part, and I will say, I think someone like you can do a certain amount.

01:13:27.000 And the only language that I think these people speak, for example, we were just talking about

01:13:31.000 the language of shame with jihadists, is embarrassment, is turning them into a mockery.

01:13:36.000 A lot of these, that's why they hate the term social justice, where the term woke, and then

01:13:39.000 they try, they're trying to reappropriate it back.

01:13:42.000 They can't stand being made into a mockery.

01:13:44.000 That's why they go after comedians so hard.

01:13:46.000 I mean, you think about it, the Christian right, they didn't even really go after, like,

01:13:50.000 South Park when South Park had started.

01:13:52.000 They just didn't want it on at night.

01:13:53.000 And South Park, Stone and Parker, they said, we don't think that we should be on in primetime.

01:13:58.000 We think that we should be on at 11 to midnight or somewhere around there.

01:14:01.000 There was no disagreement.

01:14:02.000 They haven't gone after, there have been some, but not en masse like you're seeing now with whoever it is, Dave Chappelle, Bill Bird, take your pick that given week, Dave.

01:14:12.000 So there's, you know, me and Dave kind of doing our part is just, okay, the only language I think that they speak effectively is mockery.

01:14:17.000 Unfortunately, there's been only academics on the right sort of balancing it because we've conceded a lot of that territory culturally.

01:14:25.000 Well, it's not just conceding it culturally, although that's true. 0.99

01:14:28.000 It's also, I mean, basically there is just fear in the culture.

01:14:31.000 Yeah.

01:14:31.000 I mean, like, we were talking earlier about Islam, and there's fear around Islam.

01:14:34.000 Well, they blow shit up. 1.00

01:14:36.000 They blow shit up. 1.00

01:14:37.000 They actually might kill you. 1.00

01:14:39.000 And so it's quite easy to create fear.

01:14:44.000 What is going on in the West at the moment, about the West, is generated by fear.

01:14:49.000 And basically, the analogy I use for this is It's the woke left operating like a shepherd with a sheepdog.

01:14:56.000 Have you ever seen that masterful thing that happens?

01:14:59.000 In order to make the herd move in the direction you want, you don't have, you don't, the dog doesn't run right into the middle of the herd.

01:15:05.000 Right.

01:15:05.000 You run to the outer edges of the herd and you nip.

01:15:09.000 Right.

01:15:10.000 Now that's what's happening in our society, particularly in America.

01:15:14.000 They are trying to police the entire herd by getting the people they see as being on the margins.

01:15:19.000 That's why they come and have a nip at Dave Chappelle.

01:15:22.000 That's why they try to bite at Joe Rogan.

01:15:24.000 That's why they come for comedians.

01:15:25.000 Because if these people are, as it were, taught a lesson, the rest of us are taught a lesson too.

01:15:32.000 Right. 1.00

01:15:32.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:15:33.000 Yes. 1.00

01:15:34.000 I appreciate you like half saying it, but then still saying, fuck. 1.00

01:15:39.000 What do you think? 1.00

01:15:41.000 They didn't hear that?

01:15:43.000 I just suddenly remembered.

01:15:45.000 Sometimes you're on television and you can't say that word.

01:15:47.000 Oh, you're not on television.

01:15:48.000 We're not that important.

01:15:49.000 I mean, the ratings are higher.

01:15:51.000 I might get you demonetized. 0.99

01:15:52.000 Isn't that possible sometimes?

01:15:53.000 I've been demonetized for years.

01:15:55.000 Of course you have.

01:15:56.000 Yeah, of course.

01:15:56.000 What did you think?

01:15:59.000 And by the way, this is all funded by Mug Club members. 0.73

01:16:02.000 Not a foreign caliphate, surprisingly enough. 0.97

01:16:04.000 What were you going to say?

01:16:05.000 Are you going to get me banned?

01:16:06.000 I don't care.

01:16:06.000 Say it.

01:16:07.000 No, no, no.

01:16:10.000 There are lots of platforms where they can say certain things.

01:16:14.000 But we're past that, aren't we?

01:16:16.000 Yeah, what's funny is I've never been what people say, like a blue comedian.

01:16:20.000 I've always said the show is like a strong, kind of a PG-13.

01:16:22.000 I don't really like, you know, vulgarity for vulgarity's sake.

01:16:25.000 I've always liked suggestive humor.

01:16:27.000 But things that needle people, or someone says you can't say that, things that are offensive, I've always found inherently funny.

01:16:33.000 Yeah, of course.

01:16:35.000 The thing you're told not to laugh at is always the funniest thing.

01:16:38.000 Right.

01:16:38.000 Obviously.

01:16:38.000 And you know what's funny?

01:16:39.000 You mentioned the sort of sheepdogs and this herding.

01:16:43.000 Which I was just talking about this recently because I have a friend, and I've done a little bit of dog training as more of a hobby, but we've had dog trainers come in.

01:16:49.000 You've met Joe Louis, a dog that big and that powerful.

01:16:52.000 If you don't have him in line, it's a problem.

01:16:54.000 Someone has a chihuahua, they bite you, whatever. 0.98

01:16:56.000 He bites somebody, I'm on the nightly news.

01:17:00.000 Yes, exactly.

01:17:01.000 Well, he has a bite pressure of 500 PSI, like a pit bull is about 300, and a German Shepherd would be like 250.

01:17:07.000 So they're bred for hunting boar and for defending the farms from puma, mountain lion, cougar.

01:17:15.000 The funny thing is, though, he has a 500 pound bite pressure.

01:17:18.000 And he got attacked recently by a German Shepherd.

01:17:21.000 Like, puncture wounds.

01:17:22.000 And I've told this story on air where they actually had to take him to the vet and squeeze out the infection and all this stuff.

01:17:26.000 This poor guy.

01:17:27.000 He grabbed it by the neck, because this is what they do.

01:17:30.000 For people who don't know, a Doggo Argentino.

01:17:32.000 They'll run out, grab it by the neck, and ragdoll it. 0.99

01:17:36.000 put it down, the traditional boar hunt is then you would kill it with a knife.

01:17:40.000 He didn't leave a scratch on this German Shepherd even though he could have crushed its neck

01:17:43.000 and windpipe.

01:17:44.000 And it's that bridled power.

01:17:46.000 And so while they kind of go, they want to nip and they want to herd because that really

01:17:48.000 is the only tool they have, dogs that are herding dogs.

01:17:51.000 That's what they're bred to do.

01:17:52.000 That's why we have to be careful with them in children sometimes because they'll nip 1.00

01:17:54.000 children, not in a mean way, but to get them inside.

01:17:58.000 Whereas a Joe Lewis, they know better than to...

01:18:00.000 It's like, I don't want to destroy the kill.

01:18:01.000 Right.

01:18:02.000 Well, by the way, I don't want to stretch... In other words, I want to ragdoll them, but I don't want to kill them, is what I'm saying. 1.00

01:18:06.000 I would also like to have my dog attack them. 0.88

01:18:08.000 I don't want to stretch this analogy, but let me risk it.

01:18:13.000 One of my contentions at the moment is that people in the West, particularly white Westerners, have been in a very strange position in recent years.

01:18:21.000 We've been what I describe as polite and courteous.

01:18:25.000 Yes.

01:18:26.000 So somebody says, you know, you have your culture, we have ours.

01:18:31.000 And we say, that's great, how charming.

01:18:33.000 And then we end up overdoing it.

01:18:34.000 We say, what a wonderful culture you have.

01:18:37.000 It's better than ours.

01:18:39.000 It's a form of politeness.

01:18:40.000 And there's a lot to be said for it.

01:18:42.000 I mean, courtesy is an important part of civilization.

01:18:45.000 But it can't be limitless.

01:18:48.000 And my view is that we're around some kind of tipping point where people's

01:18:54.000 patience might be coming to an end. I sort of think it should come to an end. Yes. Of saying,

01:18:59.000 you know, I'm willing to have a certain amount of course correction, but not total decimation.

01:19:06.000 Right.

01:19:06.000 So I'm not having you take all of our heroes away.

01:19:09.000 I'm not having you come for everybody in our history who we admire.

01:19:13.000 I'm especially not having that whilst you have nothing to offer in its place.

01:19:16.000 So for instance, one of my obsessions is this one with cultural appropriation. 0.98

01:19:20.000 Do you notice that people who talk about cultural appropriation always talk about it in the most stupid, unimportant terms? 0.98

01:19:25.000 Like, oh, Halloween costumes. 0.99

01:19:27.000 Yeah, most of culture isn't about bloody Halloween costumes, you know?

01:19:31.000 A braiding of hair is cultural appropriation.

01:19:33.000 Okay, what about music?

01:19:35.000 Right.

01:19:36.000 Who's allowed to borrow?

01:19:37.000 What are the boundaries?

01:19:40.000 Are we allowed to borrow across cultural boundaries?

01:19:43.000 Or do some cultures have to keep absolutely, like hermetically sealed for racial reasons?

01:19:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:19:49.000 Now, of course they haven't thought about it, which is why they're obsessing with the stupid Halloween costumes each year. 1.00

01:19:55.000 They haven't thought about it because it is absolutely impossible, this idea. 0.97

01:19:59.000 The point with Western culture was that we didn't appropriate, we appreciated other cultures, we went out and found them, and when we admired them, we brought it into our own culture.

01:20:08.000 There's nothing to be ashamed about about that.

01:20:10.000 There's nothing to be ashamed of.

01:20:11.000 So, at some point, In the current era, it has to be possible to turn around and say, I'm sorry, I'm done with feeling guilt, I'm done with apologizing for things I didn't do, I'm done with being told I should feel shame for things, I'm done with being told that there's nothing good about my culture, my history, or my background, and here's the standoff, you don't respect my ancestors and my culture, why should I respect yours?

01:20:33.000 No, I think you're absolutely right.

01:20:34.000 I think that cultural appropriation could be a good thing. 0.88

01:20:36.000 For example, if in the Middle East they, you know, appropriated freedom and no longer having slavery.

01:20:41.000 Yeah.

01:20:41.000 I'd be like, all right, you can take that.

01:20:43.000 Consider that our Taco Tuesday for you guys.

01:20:46.000 We'll give you rights for 50% of the population.

01:20:49.000 Yes, exactly.

01:20:49.000 As a swab.

01:20:50.000 Though I think that just ends up being another form of slavery, I'm not entirely sure.

01:20:53.000 I want to talk about the differing views sort of in the UK and the United States as we go to Mug Club, because being raised in Canada, it's really just they want to be American so desperately, even though they have the queen on their money, that it might be a little bit different from where you were raised.

01:21:08.000 And you mentioned America quite a bit.

01:21:09.000 The book is The War in the West, Douglas Murray.

01:21:12.000 We're about to talk about some things that...

01:21:14.000 Well, I'll just say this.

01:21:14.000 I don't know what he's going to say.

01:21:15.000 I'm not a mind reader, but I assume things that couldn't be permitted here on YouTube, you can feel free to get me demonetized all you want once we're done with Club YouTube.

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