Louder with Crowder - DL Hughley Debates Steven Crowder | Louder With Crowder

00:00:00.000 What does that have to do with me?

00:00:01.000 Robert Byrd, who used the N-word in 2001 several times.

00:00:05.000 If a plane went down with Obama, Biden, Clinton, Pelosi, Robert Byrd would have been your president. 0.98

00:00:10.000 He practically had KKK Dental and a company f***ing car. 0.99

00:00:14.000 He was as racist as it came. 0.97

00:00:15.000 What does that have to do with me?

00:00:17.000 There is no disputing that.

00:00:18.000 And no one circumstance can cover everybody.

00:00:21.000 Just like I can only speak for me.

00:00:23.000 I can't speak for a race of people that has flavor and flavor Barack Obama.

00:00:27.000 And so anything...

00:00:29.000 I can't...

00:00:33.000 It's rare that I get a lot of guests who I actually grew up watching as a kid.

00:00:38.000 So right off the bat, he had a sitcom that I watched.

00:00:41.000 Loved it as a child up there in Canada.

00:00:43.000 We didn't get a lot of entertainment.

00:00:44.000 He has a nationally syndicated show.

00:00:46.000 New program, I think, on television, Heartbreakers.

00:00:48.000 I want to make sure I get this right.

00:00:50.000 Comedy tour across the country.

00:00:52.000 D.L. Hughley, thanks so much for being on the show, man.

00:00:54.000 How you doing, Mr.

00:00:55.000 Crowder?

00:00:56.000 You alright?

00:00:56.000 I am doing okay.

00:00:58.000 Now, I'm honestly very appreciative that you've come on this show because we probably wouldn't agree on a whole lot.

00:01:04.000 I don't care to disagree with people.

00:01:06.000 I guess, ultimately, it makes for interesting conversations.

00:01:11.000 It does, but I will say, you know, it seems like we're in an era where that's not really allowed, and you don't see a lot of people going on sort of, I guess, competing programs.

00:01:19.000 Now, I do want to just sort of lay the stage here really quickly.

00:01:22.000 What caught my eye, and I felt sympathetic because I saw you face the wrath of the Twitter social justice warriors.

00:01:30.000 Well, you know what's funny about facing wrath?

00:01:32.000 I grew up on 130th and a half a lot, so if you mean tweet, it means absolutely nothing to me.

00:01:38.000 It's hilarious that people think Just because they have a keyboard and 140 characters, that can alter my opinion.

00:01:47.000 I mean, I'm sure generally the public is altered by that, but I didn't necessarily feel...

00:01:53.000 I guess if their attempt was to make me feel intimidated or to make me feel any level of backlash, I can't say that I didn't.

00:02:02.000 Well, okay.

00:02:03.000 Well, before we get into that, because I want to get into what exactly people have been doing with you or if they have been trying to intimidate you.

00:02:09.000 So this all was spawned from some comments you made about Caitlyn Jenner.

00:02:15.000 Right.

00:02:16.000 Right.

00:02:18.000 I was in New York.

00:02:19.000 I was, you know, at a gig.

00:02:21.000 So we're doing some promotions.

00:02:23.000 So, you know, I have a place in New York.

00:02:25.000 So I'm walking down the street.

00:02:26.000 TMZ, as they often do.

00:02:28.000 I mean, I've talked to them in the meantime.

00:02:30.000 Asked me my opinion of Caitlyn Jenner, and I went in the ESPY. And I said that, you know, Arthur Az, you know, was a civil rights, a part of civil rights.

00:02:40.000 Arthur Az played a segregated sport in a segregated state.

00:02:45.000 And he got AIDS, and basically it was a space of AIDS. And before that time, AIDS was, you know, people thought it was a gay plague, and they thought it was God's wrath.

00:02:54.000 And he gave it such a human face that it started to change opinion.

00:02:57.000 And he really died in service of people.

00:03:00.000 Kayla Jenner put on the dress.

00:03:02.000 I mean, so...

00:03:03.000 Don't forget the Botox.

00:03:04.000 Don't forget the Botox.

00:03:06.000 Right, and then they asked me if I think she's attractive, and of course, I do not. 0.66

00:03:10.000 I don't think she looks like Mrs. 0.88

00:03:11.000 Dalton and every teacher I've ever had.

00:03:13.000 I mean, listen, I'm not...

00:03:16.000 And I think that, you know, one person can't be, you know, the carry the water for an entire...

00:03:27.000 Well, Bruce Jenner didn't even get a sex change.

00:03:43.000 He's still got the twigs and berries. 1.00

00:03:46.000 It's amazing that you get your statue while you still got a dick. 1.00

00:03:46.000 Right. 1.00

00:03:50.000 That's what's amazing.

00:03:52.000 That's hilarious to me.

00:03:53.000 So I think that To me, when something like that happens, you know, I've always been able, I've always kind of given my opinion, and I think that it is a shame to me that whether I've agreed with people or not, like when Don Hyman said what he said, I threw the same kind of rap for defending his right to say it.

00:04:15.000 To me, right is right, wrong is wrong, and if people can't, ultimately, you know, I'm going to exercise my right to say what I want, and I refuse to be Right.

00:04:26.000 Well, on that note, I want to ask you something, because what I noticed, and I want to know if you noticed this, you know, right away the accusations came out. 0.64

00:04:32.000 You're a transphobe. 0.98

00:04:33.000 You know, you're an anti-transgender bigot. 0.99

00:04:37.000 Did you experience that?

00:04:38.000 And do you see that as a way for people who might disagree with you on a point to just try and silence the dialogue before you can even make your point? 0.90

00:04:45.000 Just, oh, you're a transphobe.

00:04:48.000 It's kind of a pedestrian way to do that.

00:04:50.000 COVID means I fear.

00:04:51.000 I don't know what I would have to fear from a transgender person or anybody else. 0.99

00:04:57.000 I remember when I defended John Ivers, they said that I hated black women, which is ridiculous. 0.98

00:05:01.000 I've been married for more than 30 years. 0.96

00:05:03.000 So I think that people, they choose the simplest narrative, and the narrative is if you have an opposition to somebody, you make a joke about somebody that you must hate it or fear it.

00:05:13.000 And neither one of those are true in this particular case.

00:05:16.000 Right.

00:05:17.000 Well, so you face that.

00:05:18.000 And I'll tell you what, does it give you maybe pause?

00:05:21.000 Because I will say this, you know, glad you're coming on the program, but you have thrown those insinuations toward black conservatives or conservatives in general that they're inherently prejudiced.

00:05:31.000 I just think that I don't necessarily, black or white, the conservative viewpoint is in mind. 0.76

00:05:39.000 And I think that what tends to happen, most conservatives, black conservatives, tend to be people that black people don't like in general. 0.99

00:05:47.000 And, you know, so I mean, so it's just, to me, I'm going to tell you what it is I think.

00:05:53.000 And I think that there is, I can't even think of anybody that by and large would be respected in both communities.

00:06:03.000 Right.

00:06:05.000 But my question is, you know, as someone who has had a lot of, you know, black conservatives on this program, and obviously, listen, I lean to the right.

00:06:11.000 I was raised in socialist Canada.

00:06:13.000 I mean, I know you've been to Montreal.

00:06:14.000 I think I actually watched your set at the Just for Laughs as a young boy.

00:06:17.000 So I don't come from this sort of, you know, Robert Byrd Backwoods KKK American background.

00:06:24.000 But you have made the, I mean, you know, you did say that Republicans sort of looked like Nazi Germany or you wouldn't see Black Lives Matter t-shirts at GOP convention.

00:06:31.000 I get that you're a comedian, but you have leveled that criticism towards conservatives sometimes in a generality.

00:06:36.000 Do you feel like...

00:06:37.000 And I think there's no difference in Fox levels there because there are some...

00:06:43.000 People level their criticism toward liberals.

00:06:47.000 I don't think that's any different.

00:06:50.000 I think that it's ultimately where some total of our lives experience is.

00:06:54.000 When you hear black conservatives say, like what Ben Carson said, that Obamacare is worse than slavery, what do you think black people are going to think about that?

00:07:04.000 Let me be specific.

00:07:06.000 What do you think I, as a black person, I don't want to think about that?

00:07:09.000 Yeah, but what do you think all conservatives, including black or white, think when you say that Republicans don't care about black people?

00:07:17.000 Well, I'll tell you what.

00:07:18.000 The proof is...

00:07:19.000 I don't know that I've ever said that, but the proof is in the pudding.

00:07:22.000 Here's what I find particularly confounding.

00:07:25.000 I think that you'll find a number of Tea Party conservatives...

00:07:28.000 Who are very angry and are concerned about...

00:07:31.000 Who are the only ones, by the way, the only ones who defended you in the Jenner scandal.

00:07:34.000 I do want to note that.

00:07:35.000 They defended your free speech.

00:07:37.000 Well, ultimately, I think that UC was right.

00:07:41.000 I think that UC was right.

00:07:43.000 You actually were the only people that defended Bill Moore when he had his depth up.

00:07:48.000 I think that there is a difference, and that was a principled argument.

00:07:52.000 One I've made on the other end myself, so I think turnabout is fair play.

00:07:56.000 I've made arguments.

00:07:57.000 For people that have the right to express themselves, I don't think that's an inconsistent argument.

00:08:01.000 What I will say in terms of the point I was making earlier is you will have a situation where people are angry that the government is overstepping its boundaries and they're worried about jack-booted thugs and oppressing people's rights.

00:08:13.000 But when they see what's happening to black people all across the country, they're silent.

00:08:17.000 And that, to me, is a level of inconsistency that, you know...

00:08:21.000 Yeah, I've not seen that, though.

00:08:22.000 I've not seen that.

00:08:23.000 And I'm just saying, you know, in the spirit of respectful disagreement, I've not seen that.

00:08:27.000 I've never heard any Republicans or conservatives say that they believe that should be policy.

00:08:31.000 I will say I've seen deafening silence from black liberals, even such as yourself, on, you know, the violence in Chicago or the kind of atmosphere that Barack Obama's created. 0.84

00:08:39.000 Okay, but let's not complain about the issue.

00:08:40.000 The violence in Chicago is horrible, and the violence in Chicago is dealt with it. 0.99

00:08:45.000 A black person who kills a black person is going to jail. 1.00

00:08:49.000 It's going to jail, and they should go to jail. 1.00

00:08:51.000 So as a white person. 1.00

00:08:54.000 Black people killing black people, and when people make that argument to me, Black people kill black people 90% of the time. 1.00

00:09:01.000 White people kill white people around 86% of the time. 1.00

00:09:03.000 Latin kill at about the same ratio. 1.00

00:09:05.000 So it is not an anomaly that's specific.

00:09:07.000 It's just that people kill the people they're close to. 0.96

00:09:10.000 No, but what is an anomaly is the number at which black people kill white people compared to the other side. 0.94

00:09:15.000 And people have said it in retort to you accusing them of being racist. 0.96

00:09:17.000 My point is...

00:09:19.000 You know that's absolutely not true. 0.99

00:09:21.000 You know, more black people have been killed by white people than ever have been killed by black people. 0.97

00:09:25.000 And you know white people are arrested, on average, much more likely to be arrested young white men than black people. 0.98

00:09:30.000 I mean, do you want to get into the race thing?

00:09:32.000 Yeah, I have it up on my website.

00:09:33.000 I'll bring it up on the screen right now.

00:09:34.000 My point is this.

00:09:35.000 I defended your right to free speech, right?

00:09:36.000 And I think you saw that people were trying to silence you, and I hate that.

00:09:40.000 But do you think that you have in the past, and I will say that I do, and then I'll give you the floor, have been guilty of doing that same thing of trying to silence conservatives, kind of like you're doing now, by insinuating racism?

00:09:53.000 There's absolutely, there's absolutely, listen, let me be clear.

00:09:57.000 Much like I said what I said about Bruce Jenner and was unwilling, I wasn't as concerned about what people, you coming into my defense is admirable.

00:10:08.000 But my position would have been my position even alone.

00:10:11.000 Even alone.

00:10:13.000 But let me explain to you why.

00:10:15.000 Let me explain to you why.

00:10:17.000 If I made a statement, then I'm prepared to stick by that statement regardless of what...

00:10:25.000 It does.

00:10:26.000 And let me explain to you why, DL. And this is a big difference between the left and the right, okay?

00:10:30.000 I've never seen the right.

00:10:31.000 And I know that there is no systematic movement from the right to try and remove someone like you from the airwaves for your opinion.

00:10:37.000 They try and do that with me on a regular basis.

00:10:40.000 Remember when you did this, right?

00:10:41.000 You tweeted out, I defended you.

00:10:43.000 Right away, we can pull these up.

00:10:45.000 People said, really?

00:10:46.000 You're going to side with a Confederate flag-waving racist?

00:10:49.000 And I sent you a column that I wrote condemning the Confederate flag.

00:10:52.000 Wait a minute.

00:10:53.000 You're complaining I never said that to you.

00:10:56.000 No, no, you didn't.

00:10:57.000 No, no, but here's the point.

00:10:57.000 The same people who were saying that to you are the same people who try and silence me to insinuate that I'm a racist.

00:11:04.000 They insinuate you're a transphobe and I'm a racist.

00:11:07.000 The same nebulous people...

00:11:13.000 No, I'm not.

00:11:20.000 But I'm saying when you say Republicans look like Nazi Germany, I'm arguing it's kind of similar. 0.55

00:11:26.000 Well, let me tell you something.

00:11:27.000 What is the Republican Party compiling?

00:11:31.000 The Republican Party...

00:11:32.000 What are you talking about?

00:11:34.000 The entire party?

00:11:35.000 The platform right now where we have women, we have black people, we have Latinos, Cubans?

00:11:40.000 You certainly do not have a representative.

00:11:43.000 Your demographics don't match any one of those. 0.91

00:11:45.000 It doesn't match black. 0.72

00:11:47.000 It doesn't match Latin. 0.97

00:11:48.000 It's primarily composed of white men.

00:11:51.000 What does that have to do with the ideas?

00:11:51.000 Primarily.

00:11:53.000 I don't understand.

00:11:54.000 See, again, you're playing identity politics, the same things people did with you.

00:11:57.000 I saw a picture of all white people, and they had a sign that looked very naturalistic.

00:12:02.000 It looked very motherland.

00:12:04.000 It looked very much like the Nazi Germany poster, and I made a comment on how similar that looked.

00:12:09.000 That still does not change when I look at the picture now.

00:12:12.000 I will still make the same comment.

00:12:14.000 That's fair.

00:12:15.000 I wasn't saying that you were not here.

00:12:17.000 I said that picture looked like it.

00:12:18.000 But that in combination with Black Lives, you won't see Black Lives Matter t-shirts at GOP conventions.

00:12:24.000 Okay.

00:12:25.000 Prove me wrong.

00:12:27.000 What about the fact...

00:12:28.000 How about because we don't want to focus on...

00:12:31.000 First off, I'm not a Republican.

00:12:32.000 I'm a conservative.

00:12:33.000 I would never wear a Black Lives Matter t-shirt because I believe that all lives matter.

00:12:39.000 And I believe that an issue...

00:12:39.000 No, no, let me finish.

00:12:40.000 Let me make a point here.

00:12:41.000 The issue has been conflated, for example, when you have cops who are now facing being offed in record numbers because you have an administration and pundits like you who irresponsibly create a more racially tense environment.

00:12:52.000 I was raised in a post-racial North America.

00:12:55.000 It's worse than ever because of people calling people Nazis.

00:12:59.000 Let's be clear.

00:13:00.000 Let's be clear.

00:13:02.000 I made a joke about a Black Lives Matter t-shirt.

00:13:05.000 I've never been one to advocate.

00:13:07.000 I think all lives do matter.

00:13:08.000 Let's be clear.

00:13:09.000 But when black kids are slain, here's what I, there was an incident that happened to a young guy, a kid named Tamir Rice in Cleveland.

00:13:17.000 He was playing with a toy gun. 0.84

00:13:19.000 He was a cop.

00:13:20.000 The cop that killed him was fired by an independent police department in Ohio.

00:13:25.000 Terrible case.

00:13:26.000 I agree with you 100%.

00:13:27.000 Terrible.

00:13:28.000 And for being a terrible police officer, they believed that no amount of training would make him a viable officer.

00:13:34.000 He was hired in Cleveland.

00:13:36.000 And the first thing many on the right did was rush to send that police officer.

00:13:40.000 A 12-year-old boy did.

00:13:41.000 The child should never be responsible.

00:13:43.000 It was a gun manufacturer.

00:13:45.000 It was the adults in the room.

00:13:47.000 And it was certainly ill training on the police department.

00:13:49.000 What I constantly see is constantly is the conservatives, even if they don't say- Yeah, I would disagree.

00:13:55.000 I would say it's a responsibility of the officer and he should be punished.

00:13:59.000 Okay.

00:14:00.000 And I've never once heard that position.

00:14:02.000 It's easy to defend somebody when they stand.

00:14:04.000 How could you have not heard that position?

00:14:06.000 Even my producer here, who's not a conservative, who's a sort of right-wing question, holds that position.

00:14:10.000 Okay, I'll accept that.

00:14:12.000 Let's say that's the truth and no Republicans cared about Tamir Rice.

00:14:15.000 I haven't seen that, but let's assume that.

00:14:17.000 If that's the case...

00:14:18.000 You haven't seen what?

00:14:18.000 I have not seen Republicans who have defended the cop in the Tamir Rice case.

00:14:22.000 But let me, real quick...

00:14:24.000 No, I have not.

00:14:25.000 I have not.

00:14:26.000 And this is what I do.

00:14:27.000 Now, I certainly haven't.

00:14:28.000 So let me speak for myself here.

00:14:29.000 If we do that, can we both agree that maybe you need to apologize to someone like Darren Wilson for jumping to conclusions on the other side when he was assaulted?

00:14:36.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:14:37.000 Let's be clear.

00:14:38.000 I believe that Darren Wilson only was proven guilty.

00:14:42.000 Darren Wilson has benefited from a couple of things.

00:14:44.000 I certainly believe that he's guilty of what he was charged with.

00:14:48.000 I would never apologize.

00:14:49.000 I certainly believe Darren Wilson murdered So the grand jury testimony, none of those things matter.

00:14:55.000 The reason we have federal laws in place is because juries are insidious.

00:15:01.000 It would be as if the Wayans brothers were the prosecutor, the police officer, and the grand jury.

00:15:07.000 No, that's not the case because including the prosecuting attorneys have to clear it. 0.76

00:15:12.000 And you're talking about a grand jury in that area with many people who are black.

00:15:16.000 So I don't accept the premise.

00:15:17.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:15:19.000 Well, let me – hold on one second because I want to get back to where we agree.

00:15:22.000 My point is this.

00:15:23.000 It's just a genuine question.

00:15:24.000 Do you think – and this is just a – because I really do like you and I think you're funny and I'm not just saying that because I know conservatives are going to get mad to hear this.

00:15:31.000 We have a lot of independent libertarians who listen to the show.

00:15:34.000 Do you think, though, that some of the things that you have said that have been, listen, let's be honest, and sometimes it's a joke, so I have more leeway for comedians, insinuating that conservatives or Republicans are racist, generally that can be designed to silence dialogue just like the people who said you can't have an opinion because you're a transphobe.

00:15:53.000 Here's the thing.

00:15:54.000 I appreciate, honestly, that you're defensively, but really, honestly, if I, I would have, I say what I say and I understand I'm willing to take the consequences.

00:16:04.000 And I certainly, most certainly do not believe that it is the equivalent of the other side.

00:16:08.000 It is the equivalent of me telling a joke and giving an observation about Bruce Jenner or trans folk and them saying, oh, he's a bigot, oh, he's anti this.

00:16:19.000 It's the same thing on the other side.

00:16:21.000 I make jokes that, from my perspective, some people don't like them, and I understand it. 1.00

00:16:25.000 If I felt bad about them, I'd certainly apologize.

00:16:29.000 I don't feel bad about people's misunderstanding of what I said about Bruce Simmons.

00:16:33.000 And the example that you've given me right now, I don't feel bad about those issues.

00:16:37.000 So I can understand that, to me, you're basically kind of doing what you're accusing other people of doing, is trying to make me feel a certain way about a joke.

00:16:37.000 I don't.

00:16:47.000 No, I didn't.

00:16:47.000 I didn't.

00:16:48.000 I asked a question.

00:16:49.000 I asked a question and brought up some examples where you have leveled generalizations against conservatives.

00:16:55.000 When you reference the picture, you can't tell me that you can put those pictures side by side and it doesn't have a tinge of it.

00:17:03.000 I can't.

00:17:04.000 I can't.

00:17:06.000 Well, then I think you're being disingenuous.

00:17:08.000 Okay.

00:17:10.000 See, but see, that's the pivotal difference.

00:17:11.000 That's the pivotal difference, Mr.

00:17:13.000 Hughley.

00:17:13.000 You believe in ascribing motive.

00:17:15.000 I asked you a question and let your ideas stand.

00:17:18.000 You told me this is your motive, Stephen.

00:17:21.000 You're disingenuous.

00:17:22.000 And I don't believe in arguing that way.

00:17:23.000 And that's what people did to you.

00:17:26.000 Let's do this.

00:17:27.000 The third most powerful Republican in the country in 2002 gave a speech at an event sponsored by David Duke.

00:17:36.000 Sponsored by David Davis.

00:17:36.000 Right.

00:17:38.000 And he got to say, I wasn't aware that they were, you know, this was a separatist or a white power organization.

00:17:46.000 I was unaware of that.

00:17:48.000 And everybody, the third most powerful Republican in the country.

00:17:55.000 What does that have to do with me?

00:17:57.000 Robert Byrd, who used the N-word in 2001 several times, if a plane went down with Obama, Biden, Clinton, Pelosi, Robert Byrd would have been your president. 0.96

00:18:06.000 He practically had KKK Dental and a company f***ing car. 0.99

00:18:10.000 He was as racist as it came. 0.97

00:18:11.000 What does that have to do with me?

00:18:13.000 There is no disputing that.

00:18:14.000 And no one circumstance can cover everybody.

00:18:17.000 Just like I can only speak for me.

00:18:18.000 I can't speak for a race of people that has flavor and flavor Barack Obama.

00:18:22.000 And so anything...

00:18:25.000 I can't.

00:18:26.000 I can't.

00:18:26.000 And nor do I pretend to.

00:18:28.000 But I will give you my opinion.

00:18:29.000 And in my opinion, too many times, things like that specific incident, no one said anything about it.

00:18:36.000 That was 12 years ago.

00:18:37.000 That was 10 years ago.

00:18:38.000 And so your party...

00:18:40.000 No, no, no, no.

00:18:41.000 I'm sorry.

00:18:42.000 I believe you're smarter than that.

00:18:42.000 I'm sorry.

00:18:44.000 I believe you're smarter than taking a racist Republican from 2002 and using that against me in this debate.

00:18:50.000 My point is this.

00:18:51.000 No, no, no.

00:18:52.000 Here's what's hilarious to me.

00:18:54.000 Here's what's hilarious to me.

00:18:55.000 Tell me what's hilarious. 0.92

00:18:56.000 Young black men are always, they kind of lump all young black men. 1.00

00:19:00.000 And I'm not saying you specifically, but let's say from certainly a circle of friends that you know.

00:19:05.000 You're more likely to lump them in than I am.

00:19:07.000 You just lumped them all into one stat.

00:19:09.000 I have an intensity to say, well, they were all wearing hoodies.

00:19:12.000 Well, they were all, you know, they all listen to rap music. 0.88

00:19:14.000 Or they, you know, crime is high in black hoodies. 0.97

00:19:17.000 So I can understand. 0.81

00:19:18.000 You've heard those things, and let's not pretend you have them.

00:19:20.000 You've heard those kinds of arguments.

00:19:23.000 Well, they wear hoodies.

00:19:25.000 Again, you just lumped a whole bunch of arguments to an entire group of people.

00:19:30.000 I will say this.

00:19:31.000 And I think that a lot of people on the right, they are not uncomfortable making those leaps in logic based on...

00:19:39.000 And so, to me...

00:19:40.000 Like the one you just made.

00:19:42.000 The other way is true, too. 0.89

00:19:45.000 If a young black man can all be thugs and all white, then people can look at a number of white men and figure their race. 0.64

00:19:52.000 I've never heard anyone say that. 0.96

00:19:54.000 I've never heard anyone say that.

00:19:55.000 Just like I've never heard you say...

00:19:56.000 No, no, no, but...

00:20:00.000 Yeah, it's reality.

00:20:02.000 It's reality.

00:20:03.000 We didn't have a secret meeting behind black people's back. 0.50

00:20:05.000 People like me and Alfonso Rachel and Larry Elder, who we just had on, we didn't all have a meeting and say we hate black people, but I did just hear you level some criticism.

00:20:13.000 Larry Elder is a whole different thing.

00:20:15.000 Okay, that's fair.

00:20:17.000 Let me say this, and I do want to find some common ground to leave it with an olive branch because I appreciate you very much.

00:20:22.000 And listen, most guys don't have the balls to go on any show where people disagree, so I have immense amount of respect for that.

00:20:27.000 What I am saying is, let me sort of crystallize it this way, DL. I do not believe for a second that you hate transgender people. 0.98

00:20:35.000 I don't believe for a second that you are afraid of them.

00:20:39.000 And all I ask is for leftists like yourself to give that exact same benefit of the doubt to conservatives rather than ascribing motive.

00:20:48.000 Well, here's the thing.

00:20:50.000 Is that fair?

00:20:52.000 Well, let me give you my analysis of what you said, and certainly that would be fair if that were the fair of the day, and oftentimes it isn't.

00:20:59.000 If people were as fair as you and as open-minded as you, then we don't have these conversations, but we do.

00:21:04.000 And we have them because some of the assertions that I've made, you watch...

00:21:12.000 I could send you tapes of people on Fox News saying exactly these things.

00:21:16.000 I was on Fox News for four and a half years.

00:21:19.000 Exactly these things.

00:21:20.000 Four and a half years.

00:21:21.000 I've never heard it. 0.99

00:21:24.000 I've never heard anyone on Fox News go on and say, all black kids are thugs, black lives don't matter. 0.99

00:21:29.000 You did. 1.00

00:21:30.000 You did. 1.00

00:21:31.000 You said if they can say all black kids have hoodies, if all black kids are thugs. 0.99

00:21:34.000 I've never heard anyone say that. 0.98

00:21:35.000 As a matter of fact, the one I did is Geraldo Rivera, who is not very smart, and he's a liberal.

00:21:39.000 What I have said is they will love all things. 0.99

00:21:42.000 Well, crime is high in black areas or, you know, black men. 1.00

00:21:45.000 Horato himself, he got shot because he's wearing a hoodie. 0.96

00:21:49.000 You didn't.

00:21:50.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:50.000 No, I just said he's a liberal.

00:21:51.000 He's a liberal.

00:21:52.000 And he's not very bright.

00:21:54.000 You just made the assertion that you've never heard somebody on fire.

00:21:58.000 No, I literally just said it, but you kept interrupting me.

00:22:00.000 People who are listening, people who are listening. 0.99

00:22:02.000 No, let me say this for a second, just so you don't look foolish. 0.99

00:22:05.000 I said it as you were speaking. 0.98

00:22:06.000 I said nobody except Geraldo, who's a liberal.

00:22:09.000 That's exactly what I said.

00:22:10.000 I've heard Hannity say these things.

00:22:12.000 I have heard.

00:22:13.000 I have heard.

00:22:14.000 And arguably, they're not news people.

00:22:17.000 They're giving off-air pieces.

00:22:18.000 So when you say, I've never heard that on that network, that is patently false, and you know it.

00:22:23.000 I didn't.

00:22:24.000 No, no, no, it's not.

00:22:25.000 It's not patently false.

00:22:25.000 See, again, you're ascribing motive.

00:22:26.000 And this is why these conversations happen, DL, and you refuse to see the logic in it.

00:22:30.000 You just made an assumption.

00:22:31.000 You just ascribed the motive.

00:22:33.000 I said the exact words, DL. My exact words were, I've never heard anyone say it except for Geraldo Rivera, who's not that bright and is a liberal.

00:22:42.000 That's exactly what I said.

00:22:44.000 Why are you going back to that?

00:22:46.000 I gave you that one.

00:22:47.000 Geraldo said the hoodie thing.

00:22:50.000 And he's a liberal.

00:22:54.000 He's a long way from a liberal now, and you know it.

00:22:57.000 No, no, I don't know it.

00:22:58.000 I don't know it.

00:22:59.000 He accused me of being too conservative on his program.

00:23:01.000 He's a nice guy.

00:23:02.000 I like him.

00:23:03.000 He's wrong.

00:23:04.000 You know what you're doing last.

00:23:05.000 I told you I heard something on Fox News.

00:23:07.000 You argue and maybe except for him and he's this or that.

00:23:11.000 No, no, that's not what you said.

00:23:12.000 What you said, that's not what you said.

00:23:14.000 You said you can hear these kinds of things all the time on Fox News. 1.00

00:23:17.000 These kinds of things were all young black people are thugs. 1.00

00:23:20.000 They were all wearing hoodies. 0.98

00:23:21.000 That's very different from Geraldo Rivera.

00:23:23.000 One liberal with a mustache said Trayvon was wearing a hoodie.

00:23:27.000 Those are very different.

00:23:27.000 Let me be clear.

00:23:28.000 I've heard John Hannity say it.

00:23:31.000 I've heard Bill O'Reilly say it.

00:23:34.000 I've heard guests that they were interviewing come on and say it.

00:23:37.000 So let's not pretend I haven't heard it.

00:23:39.000 No, but you've made the claim, and you've made the claim, for example, here's the thing.

00:23:43.000 If you go to a college debate club, Mr. 0.94

00:23:45.000 Hughley, if you say, I've heard plenty of Republicans say, all young black people are thugs, all young black people are wearing hoodies, you have to rationalize that statement. 0.97

00:23:53.000 And Geraldo Rivera doesn't count. 0.84

00:23:55.000 Let the fighters say this.

00:23:56.000 Okay.

00:23:59.000 Let's just speak in some soundbite platitude that Oprah would like.

00:24:02.000 How about backing up your assertions?

00:24:04.000 You made some very, very serious assertions.

00:24:06.000 I just very clearly backed up my assertion.

00:24:08.000 No, you didn't.

00:24:09.000 I told you exactly what I said.

00:24:11.000 I said specifically, you may be exception.

00:24:15.000 I don't care who it is.

00:24:16.000 That conversation was happening at a time when we were all talking about why black men are finding themselves dead in history.

00:24:22.000 And the other assertion, the conservative agenda has never made, certainly very recently, hasn't made an outreach to black people.

00:24:31.000 You want the kind of black people that agree with you.

00:24:33.000 You want the kind of black people that seem to want the same kind of black people as a Larry Elder type. 0.92

00:24:38.000 And let's be clear.

00:24:40.000 It would be advantageous to have black people speak for you that other black people respect.

00:24:47.000 Yeah.

00:24:48.000 So people like Larry Elder, Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas, Condoleezza Rice, Ben Carson shouldn't be respected.

00:24:57.000 Colin Powell would...

00:24:58.000 See, again, you take one example.

00:25:00.000 One example.

00:25:01.000 I gave you five examples.

00:25:04.000 Okay, let's take away Colin Powell.

00:25:06.000 Ben Carson.

00:25:07.000 Colin Powell is not very proud of the conservative movie right now.

00:25:10.000 Ben Carson, Alan West, Alfonso Rachel, Larry Elder.

00:25:15.000 One of those men that could be welcome in any black neighborhood in the country.

00:25:19.000 Well, whose fault is that?

00:25:21.000 It's theirs!

00:25:22.000 It's not you calling Republicans Nazis or racists.

00:25:26.000 Wait, you can't blame me for somebody not liking their message.

00:25:31.000 No, I blame the arguing tactics you used here in ascribing motive for creating racial tension.

00:25:37.000 If you're marketing somebody, if you market something and the people don't buy it, you look at the people and the market.

00:25:45.000 If you market a product and it isn't moving off the shelf, is it your marketing?

00:25:50.000 Is it your message?

00:25:51.000 So you think that Lyndon Johnson, you think the New Deal, you think Detroit, they've marketed those things really effective to black people, you think the black community is better off? 0.89

00:26:01.000 Anybody we're talking about right now would know anything about that besides the history book.

00:26:05.000 I think every black person in Detroit would know exactly what's been marketed to them, and it's destroyed Detroit and the black community. 0.99

00:26:12.000 You can play these two things.

00:26:13.000 You mentioned Lyndon Johnson.

00:26:15.000 You mentioned Lyndon Johnson.

00:26:18.000 A great society.

00:26:19.000 To specifically say, getting back to what I said before, you mentioned a bunch of people who would not A, be welcome in a lot of black neighborhoods, or B, feel comfortable in it. 0.71

00:26:31.000 Comfortable in it.

00:26:32.000 Really?

00:26:32.000 You don't think Herman Cain?

00:26:34.000 You don't think Herman Cain?

00:26:35.000 I mean, Herman Cain, for crying out loud.

00:26:37.000 No!

00:26:39.000 You think Barack Obama has more cred than Herman Cain?

00:26:43.000 You don't think Herman Cain as a black American in Georgia?

00:26:46.000 Let's be clear. 0.93

00:26:47.000 You can't pick the black people that black people like. 1.00

00:26:50.000 You can't tell me what it is.

00:26:52.000 No, I can't pick black people that you like, because you speak on behalf of all black people.

00:26:55.000 There are plenty of black people who like Herman Cain.

00:26:58.000 There is a reason that you traditionally only get less than 10%. 0.78

00:27:02.000 You can't say that that's black people's fault.

00:27:04.000 That is in your message.

00:27:06.000 That's not in my message.

00:27:08.000 That is in the people you choose to carry your water.

00:27:10.000 What you're in essence saying is that they don't get it. 0.97

00:27:14.000 Marketing, if you buy dog food and the dogs don't eat, your product is s*** or your market is s***. 0.99

00:27:20.000 We're going to have to go through this with the oh crap button for the terrestrial broadcast. 0.99

00:27:26.000 Listen, I completely disagree. 0.95

00:27:28.000 I know you're a busy man.

00:27:29.000 I do hope that we can discuss this again.

00:27:31.000 My point is I defend your right to say it.

00:27:34.000 I don't believe you're a transphobe.

00:27:36.000 I hope people hear this.

00:27:37.000 And I do hope, I do say this genuinely, genuinely, beyond the sensationalism of radio, beyond us debating on air.

00:27:44.000 The only thing that you've done that I find alarming, I have no problem with you having a point of view, is ascribing a motive to your opposition.

00:27:52.000 Well, you know what?

00:27:53.000 In that regard, I'm like most people on the right.

00:27:58.000 I'm like a lot of people on the right.

00:27:59.000 Okay, but in this conversation, you're the only one who did it.

00:28:03.000 Fair?

00:28:03.000 When they constantly ascribe a motive.

00:28:05.000 Is that fair?

00:28:06.000 In this conversation, only you did it.

00:28:07.000 When they constantly ascribe a motive to this president or black people in general, here's the thing.

00:28:12.000 I'll say this, Landon.

00:28:13.000 I've never been.

00:28:14.000 I've been on Bill O'Reilly.

00:28:15.000 I'm not afraid to talk to anybody about anything.

00:28:18.000 I'll tell you this.

00:28:19.000 If it is you want the conservative movement to take root places, you as well as I know that you have to change either the marketing, the message, or the product.

00:28:29.000 That's a fair statement, right?

00:28:30.000 I completely agree. 0.98

00:28:31.000 The marketing, the packaging sucks. 0.97

00:28:34.000 Right. 0.99

00:28:34.000 So if it is that black people don't – by and large, you can poll people. 0.99

00:28:39.000 They do not have a very high approval. 0.97

00:28:41.000 Now, Colin Powell did, certainly.

00:28:43.000 And I think he could have done something, but he doesn't seem to be of that ilk now.

00:28:48.000 He doesn't seem to have that opinion now.

00:28:49.000 But when you tell me about Herman Cain, when you tell me about Larry Elder, when you tell me about – Okay, okay, but we have to go here in a second.

00:28:57.000 We're going to lose the time.

00:28:58.000 Is it fair to say, I'm talking about you and I, would it be fair to say that in this conversation between D.L. Hughley and Steven Crowder, you were the only one to ascribe a motive to me by saying I was disingenuous?

00:29:10.000 It is unfair to say that, it's fair to say this, because what I'm going to do is tell you from my perspective, you have put you Like, for instance, you brought up the picture of Nazi Germany.

00:29:25.000 In terms of Xbox, I've given you an example of stuff.

00:29:28.000 But I wouldn't say I ascribe a motive to you.

00:29:31.000 I've ascribed a motive to people that seem to be of your opinion.

00:29:36.000 Okay, but you didn't say I was being disingenuous.

00:29:38.000 You said I was disingenuous.

00:29:39.000 And I'm just saying I'm not.

00:29:40.000 Well, I'll tell you what.

00:29:40.000 In that particular, I thought you were.

00:29:42.000 I think that when you said to me, you said to me you never had heard that you worked at Fox and Ford News and you never heard it except Ford.

00:29:49.000 Well, the exception is the very thing that I heard.

00:29:52.000 So that to me seemed to be disingenuous if you were saying that it had never happened before.

00:29:57.000 That made me feel like I was lying or obfuscating or telling you something that wasn't true.

00:30:01.000 Yeah.

00:30:03.000 I stand by what I said because you made some pretty outlandish claims, and I was saying I've not heard those.

00:30:08.000 I still haven't heard those.

00:30:10.000 Okay, except for Geraldo, right?

00:30:12.000 That's not what you claimed.

00:30:13.000 Again, that's not what you claimed.

00:30:14.000 You claimed all Republicans.

00:30:16.000 Geraldo is a liberal, is a Democrat-carrying liberal, voted Obama twice.

00:30:20.000 I don't know if liberals. 0.98

00:30:22.000 But my point is, I said, again, you said they say all young black people are thugs. 0.95

00:30:26.000 No. 0.98

00:30:27.000 I didn't say that.

00:30:27.000 Yes, you did.

00:30:28.000 Yes, you did.

00:30:29.000 And this is the problem with the internet, is people can literally rewind this 20 minutes and hear exactly what you said.

00:30:34.000 Let's be clear.

00:30:35.000 Let's be clear.

00:30:35.000 I said if people make these assumptions, what they do is they go, hey, there's a high crime area.

00:30:42.000 Black people, they wear hoodies, and people are scared. 1.00

00:30:45.000 And that's the argument I was making. 0.75

00:30:47.000 So if it came out a little different than that, then that's going to be a lawyer's job.

00:30:51.000 Okay.

00:30:52.000 Well, I think we can both agree.

00:30:54.000 We don't need more lawyers in the middle of these conversations.

00:30:57.000 That's to me what people say when they hang up on the work.

00:31:00.000 I believe Sincerely is what I'm saying.

00:31:03.000 I believe I have an obligation to speak.

00:31:05.000 There's a reason why I can go on any show in the country.

00:31:08.000 There's a reason I can do it.

00:31:09.000 There's a reason you don't see a lot of...

00:31:11.000 Whether it's Bill Maher or Bill O'Reilly, it'll make me a difference.

00:31:13.000 And I'll be the exact same person.

00:31:15.000 There's a reason I can defend Don Iman, or there's a reason I can defend my right to say, because I'm exactly who I am.

00:31:21.000 That is absolutely true.

00:31:23.000 I believe in my heart, in my heart, the things I say are true.

00:31:27.000 I believe in my heart, it's specifically, it either is apathetic toward...

00:31:34.000 Here's what I'll say.

00:31:35.000 The reason that your movement is not registering with people that are like me is not because of me.

00:31:44.000 It's not because of me.

00:31:47.000 It's not because I'm willfully hateful. 0.77

00:31:50.000 It's not because I'm ignorant or don't understand.

00:31:53.000 It is because it does not seem to be welcoming to me.

00:31:57.000 Okay.

00:31:59.000 And the minute you pick to carry your water...

00:32:03.000 No, no, no, no.

00:32:04.000 See, that's not fair.

00:32:04.000 I've not picked any of those people to carry my water.

00:32:06.000 I was at Fox News for four and a half years, and I left.

00:32:10.000 Listen, we have to go.

00:32:12.000 We've missed breaks.

00:32:13.000 I've been horribly unprofessional.

00:32:15.000 DL, I really appreciate you coming on.

00:32:17.000 You're right.

00:32:17.000 You are consistent.

00:32:18.000 Even though I think you're wrong, I do appreciate that you're willing to go in any form.

00:32:21.000 I do appreciate you taking the time.

00:32:25.000 And yes, I still think you're wrong, but Mr.

00:32:26.000 Hughley, thank you so much.

00:32:27.000 We'll be back.

00:32:28.000 Louder with Crowder.

00:32:29.000 Stay tuned.

Louder with Crowder - July 24, 2015

DL Hughley Debates Steven Crowder | Louder With Crowder

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