Louder with Crowder - August 21, 2023


Do Blacks & Whites REALLY Hate Each Other? | Black & White On The Gray Issues

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On this episode of the podcast, we are joined by comedian, actor, writer, and podcaster, Milton Potts. We discuss race relations in the United States and how they compare to the rest of the world, as well as what it means to be black and white.

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00:00:00.000 Are your personal interactions with white people worse than ever?
00:00:03.000 Yeah.
00:00:04.000 So if you've turned on the news or even glanced at social media over the last few years, you'd probably be under the impression that race relations, particularly between white and black Americans, is at an all-time low.
00:00:14.000 The race wars are on the way, if you will. 0.87
00:00:16.000 Because you have black people speak on behalf of black people, white people speak on behalf of white people, black people telling white people, white people apologizing to black people, but you don't often see black people and white people just talking.
00:00:28.000 Is this reflective of our real-world experiences?
00:00:32.000 I think you may be surprised with what I found when I actually went out and did something crazy.
00:00:38.000 Talked with people.
00:00:40.000 This is Black and White on the Gray Issues.
00:00:42.000 First question I guess to you is what would you say race relations are like in the states
00:00:52.000 Where do you think they are?
00:00:54.000 I think it's almost even, man.
00:00:56.000 Whereas, what I mean when I say even, like, okay, you know, there's still some work to be done, but there's not as much work that needs to be done.
00:01:06.000 Because when you think about race relations right now, today, you know what I'm saying, everybody is basically Communicating with each other.
00:01:16.000 Everybody's doing their thing together.
00:01:18.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:01:18.000 Yeah.
00:01:19.000 They're linking up on different fronts.
00:01:21.000 They just taking care of their business.
00:01:22.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:01:23.000 Yeah. 0.96
00:01:23.000 You got some people that are dummies who really don't, you could say, want to get with the program. 0.96
00:01:32.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:01:32.000 Mm-hmm. 0.98
00:01:33.000 And you got, you know what I'm saying, because it's a lot of things going on in the world.
00:01:36.000 Yeah.
00:01:36.000 Well, you're always going to have individual racists, right?
00:01:38.000 People who are racist.
00:01:39.000 But it sounds to me like you're saying you think they're better now than they were before.
00:01:42.000 No, I'm saying times are better.
00:01:44.000 Yeah.
00:01:45.000 Because if you think, if you go back to Emmett Till, people like that.
00:01:50.000 Oh yeah.
00:01:51.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:01:52.000 The times then versus the times now.
00:01:54.000 If you come to Deep Element.
00:01:54.000 Yeah.
00:01:56.000 Yeah.
00:01:57.000 Then you're going to see.
00:01:58.000 Then we kind of ended up with more of that, right?
00:01:59.000 Emmett Till and Me Too came out and there were a bunch of people being falsely accused.
00:02:02.000 But on the same, but on the same token, you know what I'm saying?
00:02:04.000 Like, you're saying race-related issues.
00:02:07.000 When I come to Deep Element, all I see is Well, that's what I see in real life, but I mean in the media.
00:02:15.000 In the media, oftentimes, things are stoked where they make it seem like it's worse.
00:02:18.000 I mean, you know.
00:02:20.000 Nah, you don't think so?
00:02:21.000 I really think that the media function is on a scale bigger than what people think.
00:02:32.000 I really believe that today how the media operates, it can't operate with that basic
00:02:40.000 regular stuff that it used to operate with.
00:02:43.000 So they have to go deep cover and really get the good juice, get the good stuff.
00:02:49.000 So you think media has an interest in controversy and making race relations seem worse than
00:02:54.000 they are in real life?
00:02:55.000 Most definitely.
00:02:56.000 That's what I find, too.
00:02:57.000 I find that my interactions, you know, having been raised in a church where it was mixed, you know, a lot of black people in church and being a comic, you know, being around a lot of guys, my interactions are very different from what you see in the media as far as... Want me to say this here, man?
00:03:08.000 Yeah.
00:03:09.000 See, like, when you start putting labels on things, that's when things get messed up, right?
00:03:14.000 Right.
00:03:15.000 So, like, bam, if we all American, right?
00:03:18.000 We're all American, right?
00:03:19.000 Yeah.
00:03:19.000 So, like, if I go to a hospital and I need a blood transfusion, right?
00:03:23.000 I can't say, don't put that white blood in me. 1.00
00:03:26.000 Or that Mexican blood. 0.97
00:03:27.000 You feel me?
00:03:28.000 I gotta accept the blood that they gonna give me and hope it, you know what I'm saying, work.
00:03:32.000 That's a good analogy.
00:03:33.000 Oh, good?
00:03:33.000 Oh, God.
00:03:34.000 So, like, I think that Ever since people put analogies on shit, that's when it got messed up. 0.99
00:03:40.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:03:41.000 Because now you can view this as something different.
00:03:44.000 That's a black thing, that's a white thing. 1.00
00:03:44.000 Right. 1.00
00:03:46.000 He's black. 0.87
00:03:46.000 Yeah. 0.87
00:03:47.000 But see, you know what I'm saying, what about the American culture?
00:03:47.000 He's white.
00:03:50.000 Yeah.
00:03:51.000 The Great Milton Pot.
00:03:52.000 Are you proud to be American?
00:03:54.000 Yeah, so you think it's a great country, flaws, but proud to be American?
00:03:58.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:03:59.000 So, what do you, and that's been my experience with both white and black Americans.
00:04:04.000 What do you think about, you know, obviously this happened in Deep Elm, like, Black Lives Matter.
00:04:07.000 I think all lives matter.
00:04:09.000 Oh, shoot.
00:04:10.000 But if I say that, you know, I'm a white supremacist, right? 0.79
00:04:13.000 They said you can't say that.
00:04:14.000 It was a racist term.
00:04:14.000 Listen, this is what I think that all people do.
00:04:16.000 I think all people use the race issue as a platform for some bullshit sometimes. 0.98
00:04:22.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.99
00:04:23.000 Sometimes they let alcohol, things of that nature, you know what I'm saying?
00:04:23.000 Yeah.
00:04:26.000 Me wiring them up to say some shit that they really don't mean to mean. 0.98
00:04:29.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.99
00:04:29.000 Right. 0.99
00:04:30.000 Trying to catch someone.
00:04:31.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:04:32.000 It's kind of like crazy. 0.65
00:04:33.000 Say like, you might be with some of your white partner and y'all out drinking.
00:04:37.000 So, bam!
00:04:38.000 And y'all have some words with someone and then here it is.
00:04:41.000 Boom! 0.99
00:04:42.000 Right.
00:04:45.000 You know what I'm not going to say because if I said I'm going to have a bunch of fists coming down on you.
00:04:45.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:04:49.000 You have people that do that under the influence and then the next day regret that they did something like that.
00:04:55.000 So you're saying someone could say that in a moment of anger and not be a racist, just be mad.
00:04:58.000 Most definitely.
00:04:59.000 Like if you get mad or something, you know, and you're with a friend and you say, I hate, or like when you're a kid, you say, dad, I hate you.
00:05:04.000 You're just like, ah, we got into a fight.
00:05:04.000 You don't really hate him.
00:05:06.000 So someone could just say something that doesn't mean they're a racist.
00:05:09.000 It means they had a moment of weakness.
00:05:11.000 and anger. Yeah, no I agree. And then we judge people at their worst moment. And that's really
00:05:15.000 messed up. Everybody's gonna be judged. Yep. Yep. Yep.
00:05:20.000 I really appreciate the opportunity.
00:05:22.000 Well, let me, let me ask.
00:05:23.000 I appreciate it too, man.
00:05:23.000 I actually think your point of view is refreshing that people should hear this because a lot of people out there, I will tell you this, a lot of white people out there are scared to have conversations.
00:05:32.000 They're scared because they're scared.
00:05:33.000 A lot of white people.
00:05:34.000 No, a lot of white people are man.
00:05:35.000 Cause they're afraid of being called the racist.
00:05:37.000 Let me tell you, it's the ones that ain't got no business going on, bro.
00:05:40.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:05:42.000 That's scary because if you got some business going on, man, money don't have color, bro.
00:05:48.000 Right.
00:05:48.000 You feel me?
00:05:49.000 So you gotta deal with everybody.
00:05:50.000 So you have to have relationships with different types of people, bro.
00:05:53.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:05:54.000 So I gotta learn how... So that means that, you understand, me as an American, in America, I gotta be like, switching up to be a Mexican, to be able to talk to all cultures, man.
00:06:03.000 But we just one culture, man. 0.99
00:06:05.000 We just need to throw all those Hispanics and all that s***. 1.00
00:06:08.000 I ain't saying forget about your history or nothing like that. 1.00
00:06:11.000 I'm just saying, we got a history here.
00:06:11.000 Right.
00:06:13.000 Yeah.
00:06:14.000 Not be colorblind, but we have more in common than we have that's different. 0.84
00:06:17.000 But we also need to unify on different fronts, and you understand me, and get all these different, you understand me, ideologies and social programs and all this shit that's jumping out. 0.81
00:06:27.000 Get that, man, get, move that out the way, man. 0.73
00:06:29.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:06:29.000 That shit live life, man. 1.00
00:06:31.000 If you, if you do something, take your lick. 1.00
00:06:34.000 Yeah, take responsibility for it.
00:06:35.000 I will, all the time.
00:06:37.000 No, and that's one thing that I appreciate is the accountability culture, what you're talking about.
00:06:41.000 Nowadays, you got a lot of people out here, they're not taking accountability.
00:06:45.000 No?
00:06:46.000 You think that's the big problem on all fronts?
00:06:48.000 I think so.
00:06:48.000 I agree.
00:06:49.000 See, if you got one finger pointing at you, you got one pointing back, too, because your thumb is pointing back at you. 0.98
00:06:54.000 That'd be a white-ass finger, too. 0.99
00:06:56.000 He's as white as they get. 0.99
00:06:57.000 That's Russian, this dude right here.
00:06:58.000 He needs some sunlight.
00:07:00.000 He's got SPF ozone layer on right now.
00:07:02.000 Yeah, man.
00:07:03.000 Alright, let me ask you a couple.
00:07:04.000 So these are like some issues that you hear about in the media and they turn it into a
00:07:07.000 racial issue and I don't think it is, right? 0.99
00:07:10.000 Do you think, for example, voting, to have identification, just any kind of ID, does
00:07:15.000 that make sense to you?
00:07:16.000 You think you should have ID to vote?
00:07:17.000 I think the only way you should have ID or need ID is if there is a census.
00:07:22.000 See if there's a census that means that you don't encounter everybody so you know how
00:07:25.000 many people live in the county, right?
00:07:27.000 So, bam!
00:07:27.000 Right.
00:07:28.000 So, if this person, if we got, say, 50,000 in the county, then, you know, gotta have a census.
00:07:35.000 You gotta have an ID.
00:07:36.000 So now, your ID validates your vote.
00:07:39.000 Right.
00:07:40.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:07:41.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.
00:07:42.000 I think we agree on that one.
00:07:44.000 Right now, a big cultural issue going on.
00:07:45.000 You know, like biological men, the trans men competing in women's sports.
00:07:50.000 Hey, I don't think that should be done.
00:07:52.000 I think that if a dude, if he's born a dude, no matter what his sexuality is, I think that he's still, in the eyes of man and God, gonna remain a dude.
00:08:05.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:08:05.000 So he can cut his penis off. 1.00
00:08:07.000 He can, you know what I'm saying, inflate his chest. 1.00
00:08:09.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:08:09.000 He can put it in his butt. 1.00
00:08:11.000 It's still a dude, man. 1.00
00:08:13.000 I don't know what he does with his butt. 0.99
00:08:15.000 I don't think that's part of the procedure. 0.99
00:08:17.000 He still got testosterone, man.
00:08:18.000 Yeah, or at least he did.
00:08:20.000 No, that's a big issue.
00:08:20.000 Well, here, do you think it's crazy, though, that what you just said, and I agree with you, could be labeled hate speech, right?
00:08:25.000 Because now they'll say, oh, you're transphobic.
00:08:27.000 No, no, no, no.
00:08:28.000 Because look, see, this is what people don't understand. 1.00
00:08:33.000 Like, they have made homosexuality a mental disease, man. 0.99
00:08:39.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00
00:08:40.000 You can be put on psych medication to be a homosexual. 0.99
00:08:45.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:08:45.000 Or for being, you know, just because you're a homosexual. 0.99
00:08:48.000 What you're saying, now they've enabled it with the sports stuff, where it's like, yeah, you can't have dudes... No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm talking about they have a psych term.
00:08:54.000 Yeah.
00:08:55.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:08:56.000 Like, like, like, like, say, this dude is a homosexual, you can go into DSM, new little book and look up a diagnosis of homosexuality.
00:09:06.000 Yeah, well they changed it though, like with trans. Did you know that? 1.00
00:09:09.000 They changed it where it used to be body dysmorphia was if you were, you know,
00:09:12.000 claiming you were transgender. They said it was a disorder of someone who thought they were,
00:09:16.000 you know, transgender, but now they changed it to say, oh no, no, you are actually a woman.
00:09:20.000 It's a symptom of the fact that you're not, you're born in the wrong body. 0.94
00:09:23.000 You can't be a woman. 1.00
00:09:24.000 No, yeah.
00:09:25.000 That's just, that's just, that's just a lot of people just having too many ideas in their head, man.
00:09:29.000 And then, like, people take things too literal sometimes, man.
00:09:33.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:09:33.000 Like religion, all that stuff, man.
00:09:35.000 Yeah.
00:09:35.000 So, you know, I think that at the end of the day, man, if, uh, if you go through your problems and live your problems and if you happy with what you got going on, then everything's great with you.
00:09:46.000 We're all Americans, right?
00:09:48.000 And you believe in personal accountability.
00:09:50.000 All lives matter.
00:09:51.000 People need to stop making it all about race.
00:09:53.000 That's right.
00:09:53.000 And no snitching.
00:09:55.000 Yeah, no, I agree.
00:09:56.000 Hey, that's one thing I do appreciate about the black community for sure. 0.96
00:09:58.000 I've had a few of these guys are snitches.
00:10:00.000 I'm not sure that they're not.
00:10:00.000 Hey, Brian.
00:10:02.000 Thanks, man.
00:10:03.000 Appreciate it, bro.
00:10:05.000 That was refreshing.
00:10:05.000 I appreciate it, man.
00:10:06.000 Thanks.
00:10:10.000 How would you sort of characterize, or how do you view race relations in the United States right now?
00:10:13.000 How do you see it? 1.00
00:10:14.000 hit us so I'm an idiot. So where's the best place for us to be? 1.00
00:10:16.000 How would you sort of characterize or how do you view like race relations in
00:10:24.000 the United States right now? How do you see it?
00:10:27.000 Um, I do believe a lot of it is an agenda. So again, I'm a light-skinned person myself, so if you know what that means, I'm black and white.
00:10:37.000 things that they are portraying and projecting right now, I think that is to distract people
00:10:42.000 from what's really important.
00:10:44.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:10:45.000 So when I look at the race issues, and I believe that's what you're talking about right now,
00:10:50.000 that there's a racial divide.
00:10:51.000 Yeah, that's what the media portrays.
00:10:54.000 I don't necessarily believe that.
00:10:55.000 I'm a light-skinned person myself, so if you know what that means, I'm black and white.
00:10:59.000 Not compared to these guys.
00:11:00.000 I mean, unless you're translucent.
00:11:03.000 Yeah, I'm black and white.
00:11:06.000 So I've definitely experienced both sides of the spectrum when it comes to things like that.
00:11:11.000 So I lived in a place like Louisiana, which was very southern, right?
00:11:14.000 And if you know the history of Louisiana, Like, I guess it was a very racial place, but my growing up there in high school, I experienced a lot more racism from the black people than from the white people.
00:11:27.000 That's fair to say, yeah.
00:11:27.000 Really?
00:11:31.000 What kind of racism would you experience from black people?
00:11:33.000 I would say, when you talk about discrimination against a group, That's what I'm saying.
00:11:38.000 I feel that I was discriminated towards because of the light of skin.
00:11:41.000 Now, the white people in the school, I wouldn't say that there was really any conflict with them between me and that's what I feel like.
00:11:50.000 It is more what the media wants to do and what I feel like a lot of even black people are struggling with is believing That's surprising.
00:12:00.000 As a completely white person, obviously, I was raised in Canada.
00:12:03.000 I'm very, very white.
00:12:05.000 We're always told, and especially with Barack Obama, that, oh, biracial people are always treated like they're black.
00:12:11.000 Right?
00:12:11.000 That's what you hear in the media, and that wasn't your experience.
00:12:14.000 Yeah, definitely not.
00:12:15.000 I don't believe that that's an experience for most.
00:12:17.000 And I believe that America, a lot of people have a victim mentality and they don't really ever search truth for themselves.
00:12:25.000 And they just get fed a lot of things and a lot of truth.
00:12:29.000 So yeah, that's what I struggle with a lot, especially a place like Dallas.
00:12:33.000 It's a melting pot.
00:12:35.000 So it's nice to live in a place like this, but then you also see A lot of people just being distracted by all that's going around them and never really searching truth for themselves.
00:12:46.000 And that's what makes me sad.
00:12:48.000 I'm a believer.
00:12:49.000 I'm a Christian.
00:12:51.000 I believe in the Word of God.
00:12:52.000 I believe in Jesus.
00:12:53.000 So when I see people being deceived by these Yeah.
00:12:58.000 Man, it's refreshing to hear because you're saying... I would agree with pretty much everything you just said, right?
00:13:09.000 And I think this is an issue too.
00:13:11.000 I obviously think racism exists to some degree.
00:13:13.000 There are individual races, like you've experienced it.
00:13:17.000 White people are very, what you just said, white people would be afraid to say because they'd be afraid to be accused of being racist, right?
00:13:23.000 That is a fear right now, which I will tell you creates a divide.
00:13:25.000 Like if they, when Black Lives Matter happened, right? 0.99
00:13:27.000 We just talked with two or three guys.
00:13:29.000 He said, man, I think all lives matter.
00:13:31.000 And I said, no, white people were called supremacists if they said that.
00:13:34.000 So they go, I'm just not going to voice an opinion that creates more distance.
00:13:38.000 Do you sense that a little bit, where maybe white people are kind of pulling back because they're afraid of being accused?
00:13:43.000 It's a witch hunt, that everything is racist.
00:13:45.000 If they express the exact same opinions you just did, most white people will... that's 100% in common. 0.68
00:13:50.000 Yeah, and that's what I would have to say, that there needs to be... instead of starting a group that is labeled Black Lives Matter, which again, like when... so I see a lot of the media, right, of like when like Somebody will post like oh this strong black woman and then like and that happens by the black community where they continue to describe themselves and kind of belittle themselves by their skin color that like okay that's what's important by me about me I mean what I'm saying and I don't think that's what's important about anybody and even when it goes into the and I this might be a little bit off topic but when you go into the gay community or the trans community and
00:14:27.000 It's funny to me how their whole identity is wrapped in their sexuality.
00:14:32.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:14:33.000 And I just see like that's a very sad life to live for anybody and even as like let's say I walked around here light-skinned and I started as an African American.
00:14:46.000 I walked around here and I made my whole life just about my skin color and praising that and lifting that up.
00:14:53.000 I just think that that's the biggest waste of time and a distraction that I think the media tries to push.
00:14:59.000 Best thing they could do is continue to keep tension between racial groups when there really shouldn't be any. 0.96
00:15:04.000 Again, in my life, I haven't came across anybody, and when they talk about systemic racism, that hasn't been my experience with life at all.
00:15:14.000 So I think that people really need to look into their own life experiences and not take the life experiences of certain people and then claim that as their own just because it's from their same racial group.
00:15:26.000 I think that was very well said.
00:15:27.000 Let me ask you one kind of question in closing.
00:15:30.000 Why do you think what you just said, by the way, there's a mixed group, they're white, but a mixed group of people here.
00:15:35.000 We have, you know, we have Russian, we have, sometimes black people don't realize like not all white people are the same, but everyone would agree with what you just said.
00:15:40.000 It was well-spoken.
00:15:41.000 Why do you think what you just said is not something that has ever echoed as representative of the black community in the media?
00:15:49.000 Meaning with CNN, places like that.
00:15:51.000 What you've just said, you don't hear as a voice in the black community. 0.96
00:15:56.000 Um, I think that the people who do try to speak up in that sense, um, do get shut down and get portrayed as they're crazy or they're psycho or they're mentally ill for having strong opinions.
00:16:08.000 And that's what frustrates me about the media is that like, um, and, and it's true that people, even on Instagram, you see stuff that is calling out like liberal groups of people.
00:16:19.000 Um, it's, it says sensitive, uh, false content.
00:16:22.000 You know what I mean?
00:16:23.000 So you see stuff getting censored like that.
00:16:25.000 And it's like, Then you see that already there's an agenda that they don't want truth to be made known.
00:16:33.000 I think it goes a lot deeper than just the conversation of black and white or even what these people are doing.
00:16:33.000 So that's what I say.
00:16:39.000 I think that there's a much deeper agenda and I think it goes all the way down to that the devil has a plan for this world.
00:16:47.000 But God also has one too and that's I would certainly agree with you, man.
00:16:53.000 And here's the thing, would it surprise you that we've spoken with a lot of people, a lot of black men today, and what you're saying is not uncommon.
00:17:02.000 There are a lot of dudes who think the same way.
00:17:05.000 But people don't talk.
00:17:07.000 We have a lot more in common than separates us.
00:17:10.000 It's a symptom of the heart.
00:17:10.000 I agree.
00:17:11.000 It's not a symptom of the melanin level.
00:17:13.000 I love that.
00:17:16.000 I appreciate what you guys do.
00:17:20.000 I would say that conversations are very much needed.
00:17:23.000 I love the work of people who like to sit down and have conversations.
00:17:27.000 I think that we are starting to see a lot more people rise up and speak truth.
00:17:34.000 It just starts with talking, man.
00:17:36.000 That's what it is.
00:17:37.000 It just starts with talking with people, not listening to what other people are saying.
00:17:39.000 It's like a game of telephone. 0.84
00:17:40.000 So what happens with a lot of white people and black people is like, black people think this. 0.93
00:17:44.000 And then a Van Jones goes, black people think that. 0.99
00:17:46.000 And he goes, black people think this. 0.95
00:17:47.000 And the white people are like, oh, OK, let me go tell other white people. 0.99
00:17:49.000 Black people think this. 0.98
00:17:50.000 And then at the end, we're like, oh, yeah, all black people are trans activist communists, or whatever the hell it is. 0.98
00:17:54.000 And people are like, what? 0.82
00:17:55.000 That's not what I said.
00:17:56.000 I said Apple, like in phone.
00:18:00.000 Oh, well Josiah, hey man, I appreciate it, man.
00:18:02.000 Thank you.
00:18:02.000 I really do.
00:18:03.000 Be blessed, man.
00:18:03.000 You guys as well.
00:18:04.000 For sure.
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00:18:29.000 How would you sort of characterize race relations in the United States today, between white and black people?
00:18:36.000 Between white and blacks, again, depending on where you are society-wise, a lot of times, oftentimes, your zip code determines your interaction. 0.83
00:18:44.000 Yeah.
00:18:45.000 So, for instance, if you're from my neck of the woods, it's all... Where are you from?
00:18:50.000 I'm actually from here, from Dallas.
00:18:52.000 But the zip codes in Dallas dictate or determine how often you interact with someone.
00:18:59.000 For my profession, I'll say it for this way, if I'm on a certain side of town, and I'm supposed to protect and serve, but yet the same if you see me as this, you clutch your purse.
00:19:10.000 Or just, you know, the Dominican black guy with tattoos.
00:19:15.000 Oh, he's afraid.
00:19:16.000 On the other side of town, it's like, hey, bro, how you doing, man?
00:19:19.000 Come on over.
00:19:20.000 So it all depends on where you're located, In your exposure, pretty much.
00:19:26.000 So you think that in certain areas of town, you think that the white people, like you said, Perce, white women are afraid of you?
00:19:32.000 No, actually, not at all.
00:19:32.000 No.
00:19:35.000 I think that I have to, as a person speaking for me, I have to be a bit more receiving.
00:19:46.000 Hi, how are you?
00:19:47.000 Pleasure.
00:19:49.000 Hey, what's up?
00:19:49.000 How you doing?
00:19:52.000 Yes, it might do it.
00:19:53.000 It's somewhat disarming.
00:19:54.000 Yes, absolutely.
00:19:55.000 Depending on whatever their experiences have been.
00:19:57.000 positive if you do that? Yeah, it might do. It's disarming?
00:19:59.000 It's somewhat disarming. Yeah.
00:20:01.000 Absolutely. Why do you think some people might have that initial reaction if you
00:20:05.000 don't interact that way? Depending on whatever their experiences have been.
00:20:08.000 For instance, if it's you see the villain on a TV show or on a movie, always, if
00:20:14.000 it's the guy that's putting his mask down, carjack him. And if he looks like me. Oh dude, no, no.
00:20:20.000 I gotta disagree.
00:20:20.000 If I have to watch another SimpliSafe commercial where it's a white guy who kicks in the door at 2 a.m.
00:20:24.000 Come on. 0.99
00:20:25.000 I have never seen a commercial, ever, where a black dude is a criminal. 0.99
00:20:28.000 Well, they're smarter than that. 0.99
00:20:29.000 They wouldn't do that.
00:20:30.000 It'd be the end of the... Okay, okay.
00:20:32.000 So we agree on that.
00:20:33.000 It's always like some guy who looks like Gary who's there to like, I'm here to rob your home.
00:20:37.000 Like, that's not what happens.
00:20:39.000 I think ideally, if you put yourself in an open environment, or if you're trying, if you're open to it, if you go to a park, and it's not Highland Park, or if it's not University Park, but if it's just a park, go interact with the kids.
00:20:56.000 Often times, I think that part of society is actually taught to us.
00:20:59.000 This is my own perspective.
00:21:01.000 If you put a group of five and six year olds around a playground, They could care less what the color of your skin is, or what your zip code is, or how much your 401k is.
00:21:12.000 They could care less.
00:21:13.000 They're just going to play.
00:21:15.000 They're just going to show love.
00:21:16.000 They're going to have fun.
00:21:17.000 And I think that as adults, as we as a society, we can get to that place again to where it's like, hey man, I see him.
00:21:23.000 I see a person.
00:21:25.000 We have more in common than separates us, probably, in a lot of ways.
00:21:27.000 Agreed.
00:21:28.000 But, you know, if you watch, certainly if you watch everything in the media, things are always categorized, often by race, very often.
00:21:33.000 Now, of course, sex and gender.
00:21:36.000 And I've always found, again, like going to church here in Texas, like the one I went to in Carrollton, was very mixed.
00:21:40.000 It was almost 50-50.
00:21:41.000 Absolutely.
00:21:42.000 Always had very good interactions.
00:21:44.000 There was a disconnect from going, hold on a second, on TV they're making it seem like we're Worlds apart, those aren't my interactions on a daily basis.
00:21:50.000 Absolutely.
00:21:51.000 And even with myself.
00:21:51.000 Absolutely.
00:21:55.000 He gave you the thumb up or something.
00:21:56.000 Oh, okay.
00:21:57.000 I don't know what he's doing.
00:21:59.000 I mean, in a place such as that, you're supposed to be open and welcoming.
00:22:03.000 Hospitals and churches, everybody's supposed to be open to it.
00:22:06.000 You're welcome.
00:22:07.000 Hey, come on in.
00:22:08.000 And I think that as a society, we shouldn't get too far from that in which we couldn't If anything happens, by law, I'd have to protect you.
00:22:15.000 reach you. I want to know you. What is it about you?
00:22:18.000 Well one thing I'll say because you talk about sort of your interactions that
00:22:21.000 maybe some people might clutch their purse right have these sort of preconceived notions.
00:22:24.000 I had it happen to me. I'm like man if anything happened by law I'd have to
00:22:28.000 protect you. I'm not the threat.
00:22:31.000 Well and I think for sure there are some people who have those preconceived notions.
00:22:33.000 And black people are probably sometimes, like you're saying, you have to go out of your way because you're concerned of them thinking maybe you're, let's say, you're violent.
00:22:40.000 Right. 0.51
00:22:41.000 On the flip side, you have white people often now, they're very afraid of interacting with black people because they're afraid of being accused of being racist.
00:22:47.000 That's a fear that a lot of white people have now.
00:22:49.000 But I think maybe sometimes black people don't, well, we all have our kind of concerns because that white woman may have, she may have been mugged, you know what I mean?
00:22:49.000 Okay.
00:22:56.000 She may have had a life, like you said, a life experience and wants to avoid it. 0.86
00:22:59.000 And if we don't talk, I've had in my experiences as well, and I also have a young lady that I was in a relationship with.
00:23:09.000 She's Caucasian. 0.93
00:23:10.000 We have a beautiful tri-racial baby together.
00:23:14.000 Her experiences and a lot of the things that I've exposed her to about my world before she would ever have known because they don't teach that in school.
00:23:22.000 They don't teach certain aspects of culture on that side of the world.
00:23:29.000 From being from Whitesboro or Pottsboro, they don't teach what I learned.
00:23:34.000 It has white in the name.
00:23:36.000 It's a town.
00:23:38.000 There's also white settlement.
00:23:39.000 So I came from Canada, I'm like, how the hell do you name the town this?
00:23:42.000 Like, I didn't get away with it.
00:23:43.000 I know, oh, I get it, I get it.
00:23:44.000 I have nothing to do, that was years before I got here.
00:23:46.000 No, no, I get it.
00:23:48.000 Just the exposure itself, and now, it's more than a just,
00:23:52.000 it's more than, well, hey, I understand him.
00:23:56.000 I'm receptive to him.
00:23:58.000 Right.
00:23:59.000 Okay.
00:24:00.000 He's not bad.
00:24:01.000 His family isn't bad.
00:24:02.000 They're not bad.
00:24:03.000 They're loving just like everyone else.
00:24:05.000 What do you think kind of, especially here in Deep Elm, what would you say the results were afterwards of, since you're saying we don't want to just label people by race, but like, you know, Black Lives Matter.
00:24:13.000 And there's a lot of fallout from that.
00:24:16.000 How would you classify that now?
00:24:17.000 Would you say it was good for relations across the country?
00:24:20.000 I think the topic itself was specific for that.
00:24:23.000 Not that anything, no one's lives matter.
00:24:28.000 Everyone's lives matter, in my opinion.
00:24:30.000 Even from my aspect, from my side looking.
00:24:32.000 And I'll stand in the front of the line and I'm the other guy that they're saying, hey, F you guys.
00:24:37.000 Because you're a cop.
00:24:39.000 They're saying F you guys, but wait.
00:24:41.000 Right.
00:24:42.000 Hey, dude.
00:24:43.000 My life don't matter.
00:24:43.000 You're just mad at me because of the uniform.
00:24:45.000 It's like working at any other place.
00:24:47.000 The Whataburger or Walmart.
00:24:49.000 It's who I am, but it doesn't dictate.
00:24:49.000 It's my uniform.
00:24:51.000 Right.
00:24:51.000 Yeah, I don't know what it was like here for you, but, um, you know, my dad over there, he was born and raised in Detroit, in the bad area of Detroit.
00:24:57.000 And, uh, the people who had it worse there, the worst were black cops in Detroit. 0.96
00:25:01.000 They would have to go home in unmarked cars when the riots were happening.
00:25:03.000 Because a lot of them were seen as, you know, they would say Uncle Tom's and they were, they were, they were threatened.
00:25:07.000 They were targeted.
00:25:10.000 I know.
00:25:12.000 No, it's a good point.
00:25:13.000 It's like using something.
00:25:14.000 You're like, I don't think you know what you're saying.
00:25:15.000 That would be a good start.
00:25:18.000 Yeah, no, that would be a good start. 0.98
00:25:22.000 But yeah, black cops in Detroit. 0.96
00:25:23.000 I don't know how, but it was really, really bad.
00:25:26.000 And I think that all lives matter in itself, but in particular on that time frame. Yeah, that's what we were
00:25:32.000 saying Hey, listen, whoa, hold up. Yeah
00:25:34.000 Dude is reaching for his wallet. Let him get his wallet Right.
00:25:38.000 And that's saying from both sides of the fence for myself.
00:25:41.000 Right.
00:25:42.000 Hey man, let him get his wallet.
00:25:43.000 So, what you just said, and you just touched, I just had a guy was talking, you said the exact same thing that you just said, right?
00:25:48.000 Everybody's lives matter, all lives matter.
00:25:49.000 Now here's a question that I would have, and I know I don't have unlimited time, but you know, that was something that a lot of people said, so white people say, look, I think all lives matter, and they were called racists or white supremacists if they said exactly what you just said.
00:26:02.000 That's ignorance. 0.93
00:26:03.000 That's ignorance. 0.92
00:26:05.000 But can you see how that makes white people afraid to even voice an opinion that's the same as yours?
00:26:09.000 In other words, we share the opinion, but I'm telling you.
00:26:11.000 Just like you're saying a lot of... But it wasn't about... It's basically, okay, this is where we're standing.
00:26:17.000 Right.
00:26:17.000 Stand with me.
00:26:18.000 I get it.
00:26:19.000 I'm not saying yours doesn't, but we're all unified saying, hey, these lives matter.
00:26:24.000 This specific person, this specific group, this specific...
00:26:28.000 Yeah.
00:26:31.000 Sure.
00:26:32.000 Yeah, but like you just said, though, right?
00:26:41.000 You just said that all lives do matter, everyone's lives matter.
00:26:43.000 And there are a lot of white people who come from poor areas, too, right, who have struggles.
00:26:46.000 And they were saying, well, hey, we need to fix this.
00:26:48.000 And if you think the system is rigged because it's racist, and by the way, I think the justice system has a lot of problems.
00:26:53.000 I think that if you just see it as a white and black thing, you're going to miss a lot of the problems, right? 0.99
00:26:57.000 And so saying, if we need to fix this system, we can't just approach it from a racial angle, that all lives matter, that justice matters, period, and it's not being done, then you can get to the solution.
00:27:07.000 But I'm telling you that a lot of white people were scared, obviously, because crime obviously went up here, you know, had to board up their businesses, and they were afraid to voice their opinion or reach out like now and just talk to people, because they're afraid of being called a racist.
00:27:17.000 But that's something that's internal with you, because I never said, hey, not... No, not you, but I'm saying that the media labeled everyone that way.
00:27:23.000 Yeah.
00:27:24.000 People, or black people as a culture, they never say, hey, don't come talk to me. 0.91
00:27:28.000 You just automatically shut up and say, well, I can't hear my point. 0.97
00:27:30.000 That's my point.
00:27:31.000 Why?
00:27:32.000 Yeah.
00:27:32.000 I didn't say you didn't have it.
00:27:33.000 Nobody told you you couldn't.
00:27:34.000 I'd want to hear you.
00:27:35.000 I want to be right.
00:27:36.000 I want to know what you're thinking because if I can't get it, if I don't know what's in your head.
00:27:39.000 Yeah.
00:27:40.000 I can't hear out of your heart.
00:27:41.000 You have Jesus is risen on your chest.
00:27:43.000 The Bible says out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth is going to speak.
00:27:46.000 Right.
00:27:46.000 So whatever your mouth says, that was in your heart.
00:27:49.000 Right.
00:27:51.000 Let me know what's in your heart.
00:27:52.000 Yeah, and that's exactly the point.
00:27:54.000 Like you're saying, if they don't reach it, it's usually white people using it as a weapon, calling other white people racist, and then they shut down.
00:27:59.000 And then this divide gets created.
00:28:01.000 Let me ask something like this.
00:28:01.000 Absolutely.
00:28:02.000 These are some hot-button issues right now.
00:28:04.000 Alright, alright.
00:28:05.000 Let me ask you.
00:28:07.000 Right now, a big issue, for example, I think we probably share a lot in common here.
00:28:10.000 Black and white people across the board.
00:28:12.000 Trans men competing with biological men in women's sports.
00:28:16.000 Where do you line up on that?
00:28:17.000 I don't have an opinion.
00:28:18.000 You don't have an opinion?
00:28:19.000 I don't.
00:28:20.000 Alright.
00:28:20.000 I just genuinely don't have an opinion.
00:28:21.000 Okay.
00:28:22.000 Let me ask you this.
00:28:23.000 The idea of, you know, vote, because you said you enforce the law.
00:28:25.000 I don't want to... People vote, right?
00:28:29.000 Voter identification.
00:28:30.000 Just any kind of identification.
00:28:32.000 I think that's something that's been turned into a racial issue, which doesn't seem like it should be.
00:28:36.000 I think it's more difficult for certain people to get it.
00:28:39.000 Yeah.
00:28:39.000 The opportunity.
00:28:40.000 And even if you've already paid your... This is my take.
00:28:42.000 If you've already paid your debt to society, You've already done what you've had to do, why can't you, at this point?
00:28:48.000 You mean, can't you vote?
00:28:50.000 Yeah, why can't you vote?
00:28:51.000 Well, just to make sure that you're the guy, or girl, voting.
00:28:53.000 Well, even still, who often says, hey, my name is John Jacob... Jane Goldheimer-Schmidt.
00:29:00.000 His name isn't mine, not him too.
00:29:00.000 Right.
00:29:02.000 Or, I'm just, hey man, my name is Eric, and... Dude was from Whitesboro, by the way.
00:29:05.000 Oh my gosh.
00:29:06.000 Trippin'. 0.97
00:29:07.000 Oh my gosh.
00:29:08.000 No, but I don't, I think that everybody should have a voice.
00:29:11.000 No matter who you are, what side of the fence you're on, in the middle, or far on the right, far on the left.
00:29:11.000 Yeah.
00:29:15.000 What's your voice?
00:29:16.000 Yeah.
00:29:17.000 Speak your piece.
00:29:17.000 All right, man.
00:29:18.000 And you know, that's what we're trying to do.
00:29:19.000 And I think I think it's a lot more productive than what you hear in the media.
00:29:21.000 People sitting around.
00:29:22.000 It's just absolutely so bad.
00:29:24.000 It ain't so bad.
00:29:25.000 There you go.
00:29:26.000 You heard it from me.
00:29:27.000 It ain't so bad.
00:29:28.000 All right.
00:29:28.000 I want to do it together.
00:29:29.000 Everybody does it better together.
00:29:30.000 I appreciate you taking the time, man.
00:29:30.000 Thanks, man.
00:29:31.000 I was really productive.
00:29:32.000 God bless.
00:29:33.000 You must never think deep enough of finding things on our own.
00:29:36.000 No, you shouldn't find things.
00:29:37.000 You're not good enough, no.
00:29:38.000 Hey, you're not enough.
00:29:39.000 You're just beautiful.
00:29:40.000 Jordan?
00:29:41.000 My brother's name is Jordan.
00:29:42.000 I'm Steven.
00:29:43.000 Nice to meet you, man.
00:29:44.000 Nice to meet you, too.
00:29:45.000 How would you classify or, like, characterize, you know, where we are as a country right now, uh, racially, between, you know, black, white?
00:29:53.000 Not in a good spot?
00:29:53.000 Not in a good spot.
00:29:54.000 No.
00:29:55.000 Yeah.
00:29:55.000 No, you think it's worse?
00:29:57.000 So, uh, like, why would you say that?
00:29:59.000 Worse than when or why?
00:30:01.000 I mean, it's just, um...
00:30:07.000 Uh, I don't know what the root cause of it is.
00:30:09.000 It's just we're not in a good spot.
00:30:10.000 It's just, yeah, I mean, you look at events, I mean, even most recently that happened this weekend.
00:30:15.000 It's like, it just shows for, it's kind of like going to the race for it.
00:30:18.000 It's just different, different times.
00:30:20.000 And that's, but, and this is kind of what I'm, is you see that in the media, right?
00:30:23.000 A lot.
00:30:24.000 But, you know, being a comedian, having spent a lot of time around black comics or a lot of black people just disproportionately in comedy, and then I've gone to churches that are very mixed, my interactions on a personal level Yeah.
00:30:35.000 I mean, you have all kinds of stuff.
00:30:36.000 lifelong relationships, but if you watch the media, you're gonna hear about the race wars and the division.
00:30:41.000 Do you think there's maybe that?
00:30:42.000 Are your personal interactions with white people worse than ever?
00:30:46.000 Oh, really? Yeah.
00:30:46.000 Yeah.
00:30:47.000 Like what? What kind of stuff do they do?
00:30:48.000 I mean, you have all kinds of stuff.
00:30:51.000 You have the people that think it's acceptable to touch your hair, like you're a dog.
00:30:56.000 Yeah, the people that, you know, I mean, it's all kinds of different things that just happen.
00:31:00.000 Where it's just like, okay, yeah, this isn't, that's not acceptable by no shape, form, or fashion, so I don't know why we're doing this.
00:31:00.000 Yeah.
00:31:05.000 That seems like a jump, though, from that to race for.
00:31:07.000 Well, I mean, it's like, I'm trying to think of some other things that have happened.
00:31:11.000 I've been called names by people.
00:31:14.000 Yeah.
00:31:14.000 I've been, like, it's been all kinds of, like, random things.
00:31:16.000 I've been not welcomed inside of places before.
00:31:16.000 Yeah.
00:31:18.000 It's all kinds of, like, it just depends on, like, where you're at.
00:31:22.000 Are you from Dallas here originally?
00:31:24.000 What area specifically?
00:31:24.000 Yeah.
00:31:25.000 Mansfield.
00:31:26.000 Oh, okay.
00:31:27.000 I'm trying to... Mansfield, where is that?
00:31:29.000 By Fort Worth.
00:31:30.000 Oh, okay.
00:31:31.000 It's a nice area.
00:31:31.000 Oh, yeah.
00:31:32.000 So, what was it like being raised?
00:31:33.000 How would you classify your neighborhood?
00:31:34.000 How would you sort of describe it?
00:31:37.000 I mean, Mansfield's a primarily white area.
00:31:40.000 Yeah.
00:31:41.000 Suburban America.
00:31:43.000 Actually, it was one of the last school districts in the country to desegregate.
00:31:47.000 Right.
00:31:47.000 So, I mean, yeah, they had their problems.
00:31:50.000 I didn't really deal with much there.
00:31:51.000 I think I really was exposed to stuff until I was in Development.
00:31:51.000 Right.
00:31:54.000 Right.
00:31:55.000 But it was mostly white suburbans, so you'd think you'd be exposed to those people when you... So you're saying when you were young, it was mostly decent?
00:32:00.000 Yeah.
00:32:01.000 Mm-hmm.
00:32:01.000 Interactions?
00:32:02.000 Okay.
00:32:03.000 What do you think about, you know, bringing that up, this is a white guy's perspective, the segregation coming back in in colleges and black-only spaces, right?
00:32:10.000 You mentioned it'd be desegregated.
00:32:11.000 We're moving back toward that.
00:32:12.000 A hundred different guys, where do you line up on that?
00:32:14.000 You think that's productive?
00:32:16.000 What do you mean?
00:32:17.000 To have black-only spaces either in high schools or colleges, right, to label those things. 0.99
00:32:22.000 Seems to me, as an ignorant white guy, it's kind of like segregating again. 0.99
00:32:27.000 I can see that. 0.96
00:32:27.000 I think it's... everybody needs their safe space to where they can go be their authentic self, where they can, you know, really, like, vibe with other people that are, you know, like them. 0.96
00:32:36.000 I'm not saying, like, it should be like, oh, white-only or black-only locations or slots or stuff, but, like, I mean, If you see black people gather in certain places. 0.58
00:32:45.000 No, I mean those are policies like those are actual policies like at schools now where they'll have black only spaces.
00:32:51.000 Which doesn't seem like that's really... What school is that?
00:32:53.000 We had it start with Mizzou right and there have been a few others in I mean it's good we just had the affirmative action ruling you know where they said no okay because Asians were sort of suffering at the hands of Harvard and Brown.
00:33:01.000 Where do you line up on that?
00:33:02.000 Do you think that it's Do you think that that's an issue that anyone who would say, you know what, I don't think that categorizing people, accepting them by race, even if you disagree with them, does that make that person a racist who thinks affirmative action is maybe not the best?
00:33:14.000 So if you don't agree with affirmative action, are you a racist?
00:33:17.000 Yeah.
00:33:19.000 I wouldn't say you're a racist, but I mean, you should probably look at history to see like, hey, what, why do we have affirmative action?
00:33:23.000 And then what's the importance of it?
00:33:25.000 I mean, whenever you got to realize like people, I've been hired at jobs before, but they told me I'm black.
00:33:30.000 Right.
00:33:31.000 That's not acceptable.
00:33:32.000 So it's like, you know, it's used in... That's a form of action.
00:33:35.000 Sometimes used in good ways, sometimes used in bad ways.
00:33:38.000 Moments like that, it's like, okay, cool, I'll rather you look at, like, my qualifications, see, like, hey, what is it that I do?
00:33:42.000 Right.
00:33:43.000 And see, like, okay, great, you're the best candidate for this. 0.97
00:33:45.000 Versus, like, okay, cool, you gotta go to black. 1.00
00:33:47.000 Okay.
00:33:48.000 So, I mean, it really just, it just depends overall.
00:33:50.000 So it sounds like you're saying that maybe a form of action, not a very, not a great thing if someone's just hiring you because of your race.
00:33:55.000 I mean, that's all it does.
00:33:56.000 There is nothing else about it.
00:33:57.000 It's hiring people based on their race, right?
00:34:00.000 And honestly, that's gotta be a terrible feeling if you're like, well, I feel like I've accomplished a lot. 0.97
00:34:04.000 I'd rather you look at my accomplishments than just say I'm hiring you because you're black. 0.98
00:34:07.000 That seems racist to me. 0.86
00:34:09.000 Well, I mean, part of the thing is, like, I don't know if white people, like, no offense to you, I don't know if white people understand this, but it's like, black people just get looked over all the time.
00:34:16.000 Where it's like, it doesn't matter what our accomplishments are, if you look at me on a piece of paper and a white person on a piece of paper, it's gonna be two different experiences.
00:34:22.000 I've seen it first-hand in corporate America, I've seen it first-hand in universities as well.
00:34:27.000 So this is one thing that I think maybe we can, can you maybe come to a place about it with white people here? 0.69
00:34:30.000 Let's say I'm a white business owner, okay?
00:34:32.000 You just voiced displeasure, and I understand, with someone not hiring you, you know, looking at two resumes because they don't necessarily know. 0.97
00:34:40.000 But then you also said that it was kind of crappy that someone hired you because you're black. 0.97
00:34:45.000 What's a white business owner to do? 0.99
00:34:47.000 I mean, here's the thing.
00:34:48.000 It shouldn't have to be something that's a policy that's there.
00:34:51.000 It should just be something that you're doing because it's the right thing to do.
00:34:54.000 It shouldn't be like the thing of, OK, cool, I know I need to increase my diversity numbers because that's normally what it is. 0.99
00:34:59.000 I need to increase my diversity numbers and then from there, then we're going to hire black people.
00:35:03.000 So it's like, no, that's just the right thing to do. 0.98
00:35:05.000 Marry your customers. 0.89
00:35:06.000 What is the right thing to do to hire based on race or just hire based on qualifications?
00:35:10.000 The right thing to do is hire diversity.
00:35:12.000 Have a diverse workforce.
00:35:13.000 But what if they're not the best person?
00:35:15.000 Hey, you can find people.
00:35:18.000 Like they say, if Beyonce can find 14 black trombonists, I'm sure you can find one black person to join your team. 0.98
00:35:23.000 It's not that hard.
00:35:24.000 But somewhere there's likely a Japanese-American trombonist who got screwed out of a job, was very good at it, just like Harvard and Brown, right?
00:35:30.000 Who had higher SAT scores.
00:35:31.000 Which is fine.
00:35:32.000 I mean, it's one of those things.
00:35:34.000 Are they racist?
00:35:35.000 No, I mean, it's one of those things where you know what you want.
00:35:38.000 So it's like, OK, if you know what you want, then like... But what if you don't want it?
00:35:41.000 What if you just want the best trombonist?
00:35:43.000 Then do what you have to do.
00:35:45.000 So it sounds like we would find common ground and then hire the best person and do what you want
00:35:45.000 Okay, no, I...
00:35:49.000 and it shouldn't be policy to force on someone because that doesn't turn someone not racist.
00:35:52.000 Like a Klansman's not going to hire black people because of affirmative action no matter what,
00:35:56.000 right? But maybe someone else might hire you just because you're black and that's a crappy feeling 0.99
00:36:00.000 as opposed to your accomplishments. 0.99
00:36:03.000 Okay.
00:36:03.000 Yeah.
00:36:04.000 No, I think that makes sense.
00:36:05.000 We're trying to make sure that we ensure we line up.
00:36:06.000 And safe spaces we were talking about, that can apply like black, white, gay, straight.
00:36:12.000 I would assume that that would also be kind of, you know, as far as identity intersect, all that.
00:36:16.000 Those would be things that you're talking about?
00:36:17.000 Yeah.
00:36:17.000 Yeah.
00:36:18.000 All right.
00:36:18.000 No, I appreciate it.
00:36:19.000 I'm glad we had this conversation, man.
00:36:20.000 Cool.
00:36:20.000 Jordan, I know you got to go.
00:36:22.000 Boy, it's like I'm sweating like a stuck pig here.
00:36:24.000 No, it's all good.
00:36:25.000 So, no, I appreciate you taking the time.
00:36:26.000 All right, cool.
00:36:27.000 No problem.
00:36:27.000 Thanks, bro.
00:36:29.000 Well, there you have it.
00:36:30.000 We'll continue to test my hypothesis that the narrative the mainstream media is so desperately trying to force down your throats may not be reflective of what you experience in the real world.
00:36:40.000 And hey, just look at how much can be accomplished by actually talking with people.
00:36:46.000 Grab your neighbor, pick their brains, ask them the real questions that you might have been afraid to and you might be surprised with the answers.
00:36:52.000 And please, listen.
00:36:54.000 You may find that you have a lot more in common with your fellow American, black or white, than you think.
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