Louder with Crowder - Do people really know what Roe v. Wade is?

00:00:00.000 What's the difference between the now child breastfeeding versus the child who is relying on the nutrients inside the body, is what you're saying?

00:00:10.000 That's my question.

00:00:14.000 Yeah.

00:00:14.000 Well, it's... The person that had the child inside their body is... Where am I going?

00:00:25.000 So after news broke from the leak that the Supreme Court will allegedly overturn Roe v. Wade, of course the media jumped on it and this happened.

00:00:33.000 If the court overturns Roe v. Wade, it will be a direct assault.

00:00:40.000 69% of Americans say they do not want the court to overturn Roe v. Wade.

00:00:45.000 If this is issued, over 20 states, there's a trigger where abortion will automatically be banned.

00:00:51.000 I am just, I cannot tell you the outrage I feel at this decision.

00:00:54.000 The Republicans have been working toward this day for decades.

00:00:59.000 Women will die.

00:01:01.000 Abortion, safe and legal!

00:01:04.000 What are the next things that are going to be attacked?

00:01:06.000 I'm killing them!

00:01:10.000 I'm killing the babies!

00:01:11.000 Okay, that seems bad.

00:01:12.000 That could be because most Americans don't actually know what the overturning of Roe v. Wade really means.

00:01:17.000 So contrary to gotcha journalism with man in the street, we decided to just go and talk with people and find out.

00:01:24.000 Actually, if you guys do have a couple minutes, we're just asking, have any of you been following the Roe v. Wade

00:01:35.000 overturning?

00:01:36.000 What is it?

00:01:37.000 The federal, you know, Supreme Court, the abortion law.

00:01:39.000 Yeah.

00:01:40.000 Oh, yeah.

00:01:40.000 I heard about that already.

00:01:42.000 Yeah, do you mind if I ask you?

00:01:43.000 We're just kind of getting a feel for everybody, where they line up on this.

00:01:46.000 What do you think about it?

00:01:47.000 Of course.

00:01:49.000 So, Roe v. Wade, yeah, the Supreme Court, there was a leak.

00:01:53.000 We're assuming it's true.

00:01:53.000 It seems like it's true.

00:01:54.000 They're going to be overturning Roe v. Wade.

00:01:56.000 Which is, like, they're going to be letting people abort their child?

00:01:59.000 I think it's up to a female, bro.

00:02:00.000 I think it should be a female decision.

00:02:01.000 It's her body.

00:02:01.000 A lot of people didn't really understand this.

00:02:03.000 A lot of people think that overturning Roe v. Wade means there'll be a federal ban on abortion.

00:02:07.000 It just means that it'll go back to the states, where states can make their own laws

00:02:11.000 if they want to have restrictions, and if states don't want to have restrictions,

00:02:14.000 they don't have to have restrictions.

00:02:16.000 I think it should be a female decision.

00:02:18.000 It's her body.

00:02:20.000 So if the man was carrying the baby, I feel like it would be up to the man,

00:02:25.000 You know, God has us.

00:02:26.000 If the woman gets to carry the baby, then it's up to her.

00:02:28.000 What about the law though, like the Supreme Court putting it back to the states?

00:02:32.000 Yeah, you can't put laws on people's bodies and people's...

00:02:35.000 Shut me off, you hippies!

00:02:37.000 Ha! F*** off!

00:02:39.000 I assume you know that guy.

00:02:43.000 Nah.

00:02:44.000 No?

00:02:45.000 Nah, man.

00:02:46.000 Nah, but it gave me time to think.

00:02:48.000 I think it should be up to the branch.

00:02:49.000 We should be doing something.

00:02:51.000 So you don't think that states should be allowed to have restrictions on it?

00:02:55.000 No, I don't think the federal or the state should have it.

00:02:57.000 I think it should be up to the branch.

00:02:59.000 It's a parental thing.

00:03:01.000 Depending on the age.

00:03:03.000 It's another way of controlling the population.

00:03:07.000 Controlling what we do, basically, you know?

00:03:10.000 No, not at all, because it depends on what they're doing, because it seems like back in the days, Planned Parenthood was all in black people's neighborhoods.

00:03:16.000 Exactly, yeah.

00:03:16.000 was all in like black people's neighborhoods.

00:03:18.000 Yeah, well do you know Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was, they set up shop, these

00:03:22.000 abortion clinics in black neighborhoods because she wanted to abort more black babies.

00:03:25.000 Yeah, so they can have them raised going out.

00:03:27.000 Right.

00:03:28.000 So, you know.

00:03:29.000 But that's a bad thing if you say that.

00:03:31.000 So does that maybe make you think about abortion twice?

00:03:33.000 At the end of the day, I feel like this, right?

00:03:36.000 We in America, right?

00:03:37.000 At the end of the day, right?

00:03:39.000 It's supposed to be like freedom, you see what I'm saying?

00:03:42.000 So, at the end of the day, you know what I'm saying?

00:03:44.000 We don't have the freedom to do what we want to do.

00:03:48.000 It's not really like, you know?

00:03:49.000 I mean, I understand, but can you...

00:03:51.000 So, the other side of the argument that people have is, and I'm curious here because he said woman, so he's basically, this is him saying he wants to punt, he wants to go to you.

00:03:58.000 You know, he's like, have her answer me, I don't want to piss you off.

00:04:00.000 Yeah.

00:04:01.000 But, you understand the other side of the argument is if someone, you know, a scientist and a biologist say, well it's not really that person's body if it's a baby in their body.

00:04:08.000 That's why, for example, like Texas, their limitation is a heartbeat.

00:04:12.000 Once there's a separate heartbeat, they're saying you can't have an abortion.

00:04:15.000 Yeah, okay.

00:04:15.000 Does that make sense?

00:04:16.000 That makes a lot of sense because, listen, the heartbeat, I can say that's not murder.

00:04:21.000 Right.

00:04:23.000 So you think Texas should be allowed to place a limitation, like at a heartbeat maybe?

00:04:27.000 At a heartbeat seems like it beats everybody halfway.

00:04:30.000 There should be a specification once it gets to a certain standard, a certain stage.

00:04:36.000 It should be able to and it should be able not to.

00:04:38.000 So definitely, once it has a heartbeat, I don't think.

00:04:42.000 Yeah.

00:04:42.000 We got four.

00:04:43.000 Yeah.

00:04:43.000 Oh, congratulations.

00:04:43.000 This is your, you two are together?

00:04:45.000 Yeah.

00:04:46.000 So you have three kids?

00:04:47.000 You said?

00:04:48.000 You got four kids.

00:04:49.000 So you did the ultrasound.

00:04:50.000 Yeah.

00:04:51.000 And I just had my first twins.

00:04:52.000 So you remember that first ultrasound?

00:04:53.000 Yeah.

00:04:54.000 Congratulations.

00:04:55.000 Tough.

00:04:56.000 Yeah.

00:04:57.000 By the way, anyone who tells you that boys and girls aren't different, bullsh**.

00:04:58.000 Go and have one boy and one girl twin.

00:05:00.000 You know, she starts talking really young and she's, you know, verbal and he's just

00:05:04.000 ahhh.

00:05:05.000 But then he's just jumping and running around.

00:05:08.000 Oh, yeah, more action.

00:05:09.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:05:10.000 It's not even close.

00:05:11.000 Oh, yeah.

00:05:12.000 The bullsh** that, you know, all the rich whites...

00:05:17.000 All the rich, white, liberal b****es are trying to be like, ah, it's all society.

00:05:20.000 I'm like, no, no, no.

00:05:21.000 I have not taught any of these twins.

00:05:22.000 That is a boy.

00:05:23.000 That is a girl.

00:05:27.000 She grabs something, she tries to put it in her mouth.

00:05:29.000 He grabs something and tries to hit you with it.

00:05:31.000 That's right what he does.

00:05:32.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:05:34.000 So you remember that first ultrasound where you saw the heartbeat?

00:05:37.000 Yeah, of course.

00:05:38.000 So you would say at that point that's a lie?

00:05:41.000 Oh yeah, at that point it's a lie.

00:05:42.000 That's a lie.

00:05:43.000 So that's kind of why I was having this conversation, because the Supreme Court, before this ruling now of overturning Roe v. Wade, Texas wouldn't have had the right to say, okay, after a heartbeat you can't have an abortion.

00:05:55.000 So now the overturning of Roe v. Wade means Texas can't have that law.

00:05:59.000 So that seems like something that... Texas is always like that.

00:06:03.000 Well, they couldn't though.

00:06:04.000 It was technically illegal for Texas to do that.

00:06:08.000 See, I think that's a good place to find common ground.

00:06:11.000 In other words, you have people who are abortion all the way up to 9 months, and being a mother I would assume that's ridiculous.

00:06:15.000 Then you have some people who think no abortions, but a heartbeat.

00:06:20.000 Good place to start?

00:06:22.000 I think that's a lot of people in the country, you know, but unfortunately you see the protests, you see the media making it seem like something it isn't, and people go nuts.

00:06:30.000 It seems like a lot of people are kind of like you on a sliding scale.

00:06:33.000 People just don't know what they want.

00:06:35.000 That's what it is.

00:06:35.000 People don't know what they want.

00:06:36.000 Yeah.

00:06:37.000 Because a heartbeat is, you know, you can start hearing it now at six weeks, but certainly ten weeks.

00:06:41.000 Yeah.

00:06:41.000 Because, yeah, I remember seeing that, that little heartbeat, like, oh my gosh.

00:06:45.000 I don't know about you, as a dad, but for me I was just paranoid, or I'm like, alright, just make sure she doesn't take any stares and falls down, and I'm like, because we can't do anything, the babies aren't in us, we're just like, just don't do anything that could hurt the baby.

00:06:55.000 Keep her in a bubble.

00:06:56.000 Yeah, exactly, put her in like a bubble wipe.

00:06:58.000 Alright, well thank you guys, I appreciate you.

00:07:00.000 Thanks for tuning in to Candy on That, too.

00:07:02.000 What was your name, by the way?

00:07:07.000 Sarah.

00:07:07.000 Nice to meet you, Sarah.

00:07:09.000 What's your name?

00:07:10.000 Sierra and Sarah.

00:07:10.000 Sierra.

00:07:11.000 Alright, I'll try and get it straight.

00:07:12.000 Look, we're just asking people today, have you been following the leak of the alleged overturning of Roe v. Wade?

00:07:20.000 I'm not really following it completely.

00:07:24.000 Okay.

00:07:24.000 And you nodded your head yes.

00:07:25.000 I mean, I followed it for, well not, the leak is horrible, but I followed like, you know, the abortion controversy for a while.

00:07:34.000 I've had my stance on like, you know, I think it's, we should have safe abortions.

00:07:39.000 Okay.

00:07:40.000 So what do you, what do you think about the Roe v. Wade, you know, about it being overturned?

00:07:43.000 You know, it likely happens.

00:07:45.000 I think, I think it's a war on women, to be honest.

00:07:47.000 I mean, I, and I think it affects everybody.

00:07:49.000 Okay.

00:07:50.000 Not just women.

00:07:51.000 How so?

00:07:54.000 You know, if a man's out cheating, he doesn't want his mistress getting pregnant, she gets pregnant, what can you do?

00:08:02.000 That's kind of letting a piece of s*** guy off the hook though, isn't it?

00:08:04.000 I mean, yeah, but it sucks.

00:08:06.000 Yeah, he shouldn't be cheating.

00:08:10.000 What is it that you said were on women?

00:08:11.000 What is it that you think will happen to women specifically if Roe v. Wade is overturned?

00:08:16.000 Let's act as though it's going to be overturned.

00:08:18.000 I know it's a leak, but...

00:08:19.000 Yeah, I just think it just takes away that choice and it just sucks.

00:08:23.000 But let me ask you, why do you think it takes away that choice?

00:08:27.000 Like, what do you think happens when Roe v. Wade gets overturned?

00:08:29.000 I think this is something that a lot of people maybe are a little confused about.

00:08:31.000 Well, it gives the states the choice to choose what they want to do.

00:08:38.000 But I think, I mean, I may be wrong, but I think some states have already banned Plan B, something like that.

00:08:46.000 There was a rumor about, I think it was Tennessee or Mississippi.

00:08:49.000 That's not true.

00:08:51.000 It just means you have to get it from a doctor, not just pick it up at a CVS.

00:08:56.000 I mean, I guess that makes sense, but yeah.

00:08:58.000 I mean, it just sucks.

00:08:59.000 I don't really have much more than that.

00:09:02.000 But do you think that the states should have the right to be able to terminate abortion laws?

00:09:06.000 Because you'll still, it won't change the laws in like... Yeah, that's all Roe v. Wade overturning means that Colorado, you know, can have abortion, like they have all the way up until nine months.

00:09:14.000 And Texas can have a heartbeat bill.

00:09:17.000 Yeah.

00:09:17.000 I mean...

00:09:20.000 We don't know yet.

00:09:20.000 I guess we'll see what happens.

00:09:21.000 Well that is what's going to happen, right?

00:09:23.000 It's not like there won't be a federal ban on abortion.

00:09:25.000 So it's just, it'll happen on a state level, where states can place restrictions, which they weren't allowed to

00:09:30.000 before.

00:09:30.000 And now it allows the states to place restrictions.

00:09:33.000 And that's based on people voting for that in each state, right?

00:09:39.000 Yeah, they're representative.

00:09:40.000 Yeah, I mean the overturning of Roe v. Wade is a Supreme Court justice, obviously, so

00:09:43.000 that's not a voting issue.

00:09:45.000 You don't really vote them, they have lifetime appointments.

00:09:47.000 But it's after that.

00:09:48.000 Yeah, if the people of Texas want to have a limitation, or of Oklahoma, they can do

00:09:53.000 it.

00:09:54.000 And if the people of Colorado or Virginia or California don't want to, they don't have

00:09:58.000 to.

00:09:59.000 Rather than like federally?

00:10:00.000 Yeah, federally what happened with Roe v. Wade was basically, particularly in the first

00:10:04.000 trimester, states were not allowed to place restrictions.

00:10:07.000 Good for you.

00:10:08.000 And so recently, you know, there was a bill, there was a case that went up and challenged it.

00:10:12.000 And they said, well, we should have the right to, in this state, place restrictions in our state.

00:10:18.000 And they said, yeah, Roe v. Wade is kind of bad law because, you know, there's no constitutional right to an abortion.

00:10:24.000 So it should be determined by the state.

00:10:28.000 I mean, I guess, I mean, everybody has a different opinion, so, you know, that's all.

00:10:32.000 But we're gonna go get some food.

00:10:35.000 Sure, yeah, absolutely.

00:10:36.000 Sarah?

00:10:37.000 Sarah.

00:10:40.000 Alright, so Darian, we're just talking with people now.

00:10:43.000 You know there were these big protests here a few days ago, so we didn't really want to get into that.

00:10:46.000 You don't want to end up having very productive conversations.

00:10:49.000 Have you heard about the leak, Roe v. Wade being overturned?

00:10:53.000 Stephen just told me about it, actually.

00:10:54.000 You know, I haven't been keeping up, but he was telling me about how some people are taking it as if they're just abolishing abortion.

00:11:03.000 Right, that's what a lot of the protests were, yeah.

00:11:06.000 But from what he was saying, that that's not the case.

00:11:09.000 So I'd like to get to know a little bit more information about that.

00:11:16.000 It depends on how far along the pregnancy is.

00:11:21.000 That relates exactly to Roe v. Wade.

00:11:24.000 So Roe v. Wade basically was a case where they specifically barred states from setting any kind of limitations on abortion.

00:11:32.000 Uh huh.

00:11:32.000 in the first trimester.

00:11:34.000 And so some laws, like the Texas Heartbeat Law, or there was a case in Mississippi

00:11:38.000 that went up to the Supreme Court, where the Supreme Court just ruled that,

00:11:41.000 you know what, states can determine their own abortion laws.

00:11:44.000 So with Roe v. Wade being overturned, it does mean that some states can

00:11:48.000 outright ban abortion if they want, or they can place limitations like the Heartbeat,

00:11:52.000 which is well within the first trimester, and then a place like Colorado, or Virginia, or New Jersey,

00:11:57.000 they can have their late-term abortion laws, which they have, they allow abortions

00:12:01.000 well into the third trimester.

00:12:03.000 It just makes it a scenario where it goes back to the states,

00:12:06.000 they can determine their own laws regarding abortion limitations.

00:12:10.000 So that's the fallout from it.

00:12:12.000 What do you think about that?

00:12:13.000 Bye.

00:12:15.000 I think states should have their own, depending on where you are.

00:12:20.000 But I don't see a problem with everyone being under one ideology as well.

00:12:26.000 Like you said, depending on how far along the child is, I would say it's almost murder if the child is alive and it's not just a fetus.

00:12:35.000 But early on in the pregnancy, I'm definitely pro-choice in regards to that.

00:12:40.000 I'd say after first trimester.

00:12:41.000 Yeah, I'd say after first trimester.

00:12:42.000 Okay, when would you determine kind of what...

00:12:46.000 I'd say after the first trimester.

00:12:48.000 After the first trimester?

00:12:49.000 Yeah, I'd say after the first trimester.

00:12:50.000 So after 12 weeks?

00:12:51.000 Correct.

00:12:52.000 Okay.

00:12:53.000 What about, you know, the fact, for example, that like there is a heartbeat before that?

00:12:55.000 That there's a separate heartbeat?

00:12:56.000 So that's the basis for some of these laws, that there's a separate heartbeat that you can't abort.

00:13:01.000 Or the thing that, for example, the toes are developed, or certain organs.

00:13:06.000 I wonder what changes, for example, from week 11 to week 12.

00:13:09.000 And this is a conversation that everyone has.

00:13:14.000 You know, when the baby... I would say this, because like you said, I don't know exactly when the heartbeat starts, but I would say if it's alive, I would say adoption would be a better choice as opposed to taking a life.

00:13:31.000 Well, you get the heartbeat like at six weeks, and then you get a more developed heart.

00:13:34.000 It's like they say it's a tube, but the heart develops.

00:13:37.000 Well, are you a dad at all?

00:13:38.000 Do you have any kids?

00:13:39.000 Oh yeah, I have three.

00:13:40.000 Okay, so did you ever do the ultrasound where you see the heartbeat?

00:13:42.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:13:42.000 So that's well before the end of the first trimester.

00:13:44.000 Yeah, you're right about that.

00:13:44.000 Yes, you're right about that, yeah.

00:13:45.000 And did you feel like that was alive when you saw that heartbeat?

00:13:49.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:13:50.000 I did.

00:13:50.000 Yeah, for me it was crazy.

00:13:51.000 I was like, oh my gosh, I better not...

00:13:53.000 I don't know about you, but I had twins.

00:13:55.000 I was just paranoid, bro.

00:13:56.000 I was like, alright, I just gotta make sure you don't fall down the stairs.

00:13:58.000 Right, exactly.

00:13:58.000 Because there's nothing much you can do.

00:14:00.000 Exactly.

00:14:01.000 It's a life you need to protect.

00:14:02.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:14:03.000 So I'm all for that.

00:14:04.000 So that's why I say first trimester, only because of my lacking of knowledge of when the heartbeat actually starts.

00:14:09.000 Okay.

00:14:10.000 So then you would, in other words, before Roe v. Wade being overturned, a heartbeat bill would not be allowed, because that's in the first trimester.

00:14:17.000 But now with Roe v. Wade overturned, states can set a heartbeat bill.

00:14:20.000 So you would say, okay, they should have the right to do that.

00:14:23.000 A state.

00:14:24.000 I would say no.

00:14:25.000 Not after the Harvey.

00:14:26.000 No, no.

00:14:27.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:14:27.000 A state can set that limitation.

00:14:28.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:14:28.000 I would say, yeah.

00:14:29.000 Whereas right now they can't set that limitation.

00:14:31.000 Oh, yeah.

00:14:31.000 I would agree with that.

00:14:31.000 Okay.

00:14:32.000 So then, yeah.

00:14:33.000 So it's pretty reasonable.

00:14:35.000 Then it seems like, you know, you're kind of like most Americans.

00:14:37.000 Where most Americans consider themselves pro-choice until a certain point.

00:14:41.000 Right.

00:14:42.000 It gets a little bit difficult when you ask Americans to define where that point is.

00:14:45.000 Kind of like we just experienced now.

00:14:47.000 But I do think that it's being a little misrepresented if you've seen the protests.

00:14:52.000 I'm sure you probably might have been under the impression at one point that overturning

00:14:55.000 Roe v. Wade was a ban on abortion.

00:14:57.000 Yeah, that's not the case.

00:14:58.000 It just goes back to the states.

00:15:00.000 Do you think that at the very least that's a reasonable decision for the courts of medicine?

00:15:04.000 I think that is a reasonable decision, yeah.

00:15:06.000 Okay, that's about it.

00:15:07.000 Yeah, and I think you agree with most Americans.

00:15:09.000 And I think if you take the time to do, like you said, a little more research on it, don't take my word for it.

00:15:15.000 I promise you I'm not lying, but I encourage you to assume that I am lying.

00:15:17.000 You know, make sure you talk with other people about it, because the more people know what Roe v. Wade is...

00:15:23.000 and then it goes to the states, then we'll have less division in this country as opposed to

00:15:27.000 yelling about banning abortion and it not being, you know, my body, my choice all the way up until

00:15:32.000 nine months. I mean, let me ask you this, because the most radical abortion bills that they would

00:15:37.000 consider on those on the left would be things like the heartbeat pill that exists right now

00:15:42.000 or like the Mississippi law. But in states like Colorado or places like Virginia,

00:15:48.000 they can abort all the way up to nine months. What do you think is, let's say we take the extreme,

00:15:56.000 Abortion all the way up until nine months or a complete ban.

00:16:00.000 What would you be more comfortable with?

00:16:04.000 Because one is already happening.

00:16:05.000 Abortion up until nine months.

00:16:06.000 It's happening right now.

00:16:07.000 The ban doesn't exist.

00:16:09.000 I'm pro-life, so I would say a complete ban all the way up to nine months.

00:16:14.000 If I have to choose an extreme, I would choose the ban.

00:16:19.000 I think that's not a poll that's out there.

00:16:21.000 I think probably a lot of Americans would feel that way.

00:16:23.000 We're not there, that's not what we have to decide.

00:16:25.000 But the truth is a lot of people don't know that right now this happens in many states.

00:16:29.000 I mean there are some states, I don't know if you're aware of It was Elizabeth Warren, Klobuchar, a few Democrats voted against the Infants Born Alive Act.

00:16:37.000 And what was happening in places like, I believe, Illinois, Virginia, I don't know the exact states, babies that survived abortions were being left to die.

00:16:46.000 And the bill just demanded that babies that survived abortions just be given, be legally required the same medical attention that all babies are given.

00:16:55.000 As opposed to, just because you don't want them, but they already survived the abortion, they've come out of the birth canal.

00:16:59.000 And there were a lot of Democrats who voted against that.

00:17:02.000 Really?

00:17:02.000 Because they thought that was infringing on abortion rights.

00:17:05.000 That's not right, man.

00:17:05.000 That's not right.

00:17:06.000 They do deserve the same treatment.

00:17:08.000 Now, are there any birth defects that go along with surviving an abortion?

00:17:11.000 Not necessarily, no.

00:17:12.000 It's just if a baby survived an abortion, that they attempted to abort and the baby survived it.

00:17:19.000 Yeah, that's not right.

00:17:19.000 Right.

00:17:19.000 where they weren't being given medical care.

00:17:21.000 Yeah, that's not right.

00:17:22.000 Yeah, there's actually, you can watch an interview with the governor of Virginia saying that

00:17:25.000 what would happen in that instance is we would keep the baby comfortable and then have a

00:17:29.000 discussion with the mother as to what she wants to do.

00:17:32.000 Right.

00:17:33.000 Meaning, you could still let that baby die.

00:17:35.000 And that's happening today.

00:17:36.000 Yeah.

00:17:38.000 Yeah, that is sick.

00:17:39.000 Yeah, that is.

00:17:41.000 Especially as a father.

00:17:41.000 which just gives it back to the states.

00:17:43.000 Because they'll still be able to do that in Virginia.

00:17:45.000 As sick as it is to me, but they'll still be able to do it.

00:17:48.000 Yeah, it is sick.

00:17:49.000 Yeah, isn't it? It turns your stomach.

00:17:51.000 Yeah, it is. Especially as a father.

00:17:53.000 How old are your little ones?

00:17:55.000 I have 10, 12, and 14.

00:17:57.000 Okay, so they're spaced out there.

00:17:59.000 I was going to say, you're not looking to an empty nest for a while with that 4-year-old.

00:18:03.000 One of them will be telling you he hates you, or she hates you, while the other one still thinks you're the best, you know?

00:18:08.000 So, balance your self-esteem.

00:18:11.000 Thank you, Darren.

00:18:12.000 I appreciate it, man.

00:18:17.000 Hey, how are you?

00:18:18.000 You got five minutes to talk?

00:18:20.000 Great!

00:18:21.000 What's your name?

00:18:22.000 Casey.

00:18:22.000 Casey, all right.

00:18:23.000 Well, that ties in perfectly because we're talking about the... You had all these protests there a couple days ago here about the Roe v. Wade situation.

00:18:30.000 Sure, absolutely.

00:18:31.000 Have you been following that?

00:18:32.000 Yes.

00:18:32.000 Okay, so first let me ask you, you consider yourself pro-choice or like pro-choice with limitations.

00:18:38.000 How would you define it?

00:18:40.000 I'm definitely pro-choice, you know.

00:18:45.000 I'm definitely pro-choice.

00:18:49.000 It's a leak right now, obviously, but if it's true, the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

00:18:55.000 It's ridiculous.

00:18:56.000 You know, as a woman, I think it's astronomical how we could consider, and no offense to you, but how a heterosexual male can tell me what I should and should not do with my body and what that actually means.

00:19:10.000 I think there's so many stipulations that go into this.

00:19:12.000 You know, there's a lot of circumstances.

00:19:14.000 And just so you know, I was told I couldn't have children.

00:19:16.000 I'm sorry.

00:19:17.000 It's okay.

00:19:18.000 But so this topic is like super sensitive to me and of course to my family, but I know Because you wouldn't need to have an abortion.

00:19:26.000 I wouldn't need to have one, but let's just say the opportunity ever arose itself.

00:19:31.000 There's all kinds of medical conditions and reasons, topical pregnancies, tubal pregnancies, things that happen to your body that require abortions for medical reasons for us as women to literally live and survive.

00:19:44.000 So for you to say, you're forcing me to either go through that experience and or,

00:19:50.000 heaven forbid, my kid is, there's all kind of testing that goes on early in your

00:19:54.000 pregnancy.

00:19:55.000 And they'll let you know that there's food on the brain for a baby or

00:19:57.000 something like that.

00:19:58.000 And they do not recommend you continuing on with that pregnancy.

00:20:02.000 I'm also 31.

00:20:03.000 And so a lot of us are getting pregnant later in life.

00:20:06.000 So sometimes that's an issue, right?

00:20:08.000 And it could be a health risk for the mother and the baby.

00:20:10.000 So whatever your reasoning is, more importantly, you could just be 18 and decide that that's not the decision that you want to make today and you're not comfortable with that.

00:20:17.000 You could be a victim of rape.

00:20:18.000 I don't care what your reasoning is.

00:20:20.000 I think it's 100% your choice to decide.

00:20:22.000 So none of those other things matter then?

00:20:23.000 We could have just eliminated all that.

00:20:24.000 Just do you think people should be able to get an abortion for whatever reason?

00:20:26.000 I think you should be able to make any decision, as far as HIPAA laws are concerned, for yourself and your body at any time.

00:20:34.000 Because a lot of people have different interpretations or understandings of what the overturning of Roe v. Wade is.

00:20:41.000 What is your interpretation of what would happen if Roe v. Wade was overturned?

00:20:44.000 My interpretation is that it doesn't matter what your reasoning is, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, that abortions will now be illegal, or at least in the state of Texas, for anybody.

00:20:55.000 No.

00:20:56.000 Correct me.

00:20:56.000 No, it's not.

00:20:57.000 No, it's, and that's, it just gives the, it gives the right to states to make their own laws regarding abortion restrictions.

00:21:02.000 Sure.

00:21:02.000 So, Colorado, you know, New Jersey, Virginia, California, those states that have abortion laws all the way up until and include nine months, they can still do that.

00:21:09.000 So let me ask you a question.

00:21:10.000 Do you think Texas is gonna Vote in which direction?

00:21:13.000 Well, I'll get into my opinion in a second, but I want to sort of discuss the issue of

00:21:20.000 whether we agree on the fact that it's good or bad law.

00:21:24.000 So it's not banning abortion, it puts it back to the states.

00:21:28.000 I don't agree with that.

00:21:29.000 Okay.

00:21:30.000 So, what do you think should happen?

00:21:32.000 Do you think there should be a federal, uh, there should be enshrined in the federal law that abortion is a constitutional right?

00:21:38.000 I think it took a long time for Roe vs. Wade to even become about and to pass, and that if we aren't careful, history will continue to repeat itself over and over again.

00:21:49.000 So the fact that that law is what it is, I don't know why we're going back and trying to now tweak that.

00:21:55.000 It doesn't make sense to me.

00:21:58.000 And, forgive me, this is not meant to be a gotcha at all.

00:22:00.000 This law is complicated, and Roe v. Wade is complicated.

00:22:03.000 You know, that's why you had Roe v. Wade, then you had Planned Parenthood versus Casey, and these... It's always been a complex issue.

00:22:07.000 And I'm Casey.

00:22:08.000 Yes, exactly.

00:22:09.000 See, we tied it.

00:22:10.000 That's called a callback.

00:22:11.000 But, Roe v. Wade... The issue was right.

00:22:15.000 Roe v. Wade was sort of under the guise... It was settled under the guise of the 14th Amendment, the Due Process Clause.

00:22:20.000 Okay.

00:22:21.000 So there's no constitutional right to an abortion.

00:22:23.000 Okay.

00:22:23.000 And essentially because you just mentioned sort of the HIPAA laws.

00:22:25.000 And the idea was that under the Due Process Clause there's a right to privacy, which also isn't necessarily a constitutional right, but under the Due Process Clause that a woman had that right to privacy with her doctor and allowed states to set limitations only after the first trimester.

00:22:41.000 So it bans states setting limitations within the first trimester.

00:22:45.000 Absolutely, okay.

00:22:45.000 And then you have states that, for example, have had like a heartbeat bill, things that occur before the second trimester.

00:22:51.000 So that was the basis for Roe v. Wade.

00:22:52.000 Supreme Court and they looked at it and this is something that even Ruth Bader Ginsburg

00:22:56.000 said where they said, you know what, this is just sort of bad law so it has to go back

00:22:59.000 to the states.

00:23:00.000 Okay.

00:23:01.000 So that was the basis for Roe v. Wade.

00:23:03.000 Does that change your opinion at all that there really is, there's no constitutional

00:23:06.000 right to an abortion?

00:23:08.000 Not necessarily because when we talk about first trimester I think I also don't agree

00:23:13.000 that after your first trimester you should be looking at options as far as abortion,

00:23:17.000 Because at this point, your fetus is a full-grown fetus.

00:23:20.000 You know, there's things that are happening.

00:23:22.000 Your baby's developing.

00:23:23.000 So I understand up until that point.

00:23:27.000 But on a state-to-state basis or a federal basis, to me, I guess in that first trimester, it's still up to me and my doctor.

00:23:34.000 So it sounds to me like you're saying you do support eliminating abortion as an option after the first trimester.

00:23:39.000 I do.

00:23:39.000 I agree with that.

00:23:41.000 OK.

00:23:42.000 What changes, for example, from week 11 to week 12 that makes it no longer acceptable?

00:23:48.000 Eyeballs, fingers, toes, hair.

00:23:50.000 I mean, you know, you're going from this small cell.

00:23:53.000 I mean, just let's just make... But that happens before the second trimester.

00:23:55.000 Well, but the thing is...

00:23:58.000 Why is plan B a thing, right?

00:24:00.000 There's a reason why, day after something, you can go into CVS right now and a young lady can say, I know I did whatever I did last night and I'm going to make sure that I protect myself.

00:24:10.000 She probably had sex.

00:24:11.000 She did what I did.

00:24:11.000 I'm assuming sex.

00:24:12.000 Sure.

00:24:13.000 And so, to me, you saying, okay, here at this point in time, there's people where I'm not a doctor, right, obviously.

00:24:21.000 I wouldn't be wearing this.

00:24:22.000 Spoiler alert, neither am I. I don't know if you can tell.

00:24:24.000 So, you know, somebody somewhere sat down and said, this makes sense.

00:24:28.000 Who gets paid a lot more money than me and understands the anatomy of the human body.

00:24:32.000 But yeah, no, I don't... But that's kind of the issue though, right?

00:24:35.000 Is no one has sat down and said it made sense.

00:24:37.000 For example, in a place like Colorado, you can have an abortion all the way up until eight, nine months.

00:24:42.000 Yeah, no, I don't agree with that.

00:24:44.000 Okay.

00:24:44.000 And that'll still be the law in Colorado.

00:24:46.000 Sure.

00:24:46.000 And in Virginia, you know, you had the governor where there were babies who survived abortions and they were still being allowed to die because technically they had tried to abort them.

00:24:54.000 They'll still be allowed to do that in Virginia.

00:24:56.000 Well, what's the difference between that and some girl throwing herself down the stairs?

00:25:00.000 People are going to do what they want to do when they want to do it.

00:25:02.000 Well, no, this is about babies who were born who survived abortions and they were just leaving it in a room to die.

00:25:06.000 Sure, but you're saying in Colorado at eight months it's still legal for them to get abortions, which I didn't know.

00:25:10.000 That's what you're saying?

00:25:11.000 Yes.

00:25:11.000 Okay, so if a lady's eight months pregnant and she's just in dire whatever mental state and she decides she doesn't want to have that kid, what is to stop her from jumping off the top of this building and her pushing herself down the stairs?

00:25:22.000 Well, I don't know.

00:25:22.000 Hopefully there'll be some bars on the window.

00:25:24.000 We don't know.

00:25:25.000 We don't know.

00:25:26.000 Right.

00:25:26.000 But I'm just trying to understand your position, because it's something that's obviously a heated issue, and I'm trying to see where there is common ground.

00:25:32.000 It sounded to me like you were saying after the second trimester, no abortion, but now it sounds like you're saying, yeah, it should be fine for a place like Colorado to have abortions at 70.

00:25:40.000 No, I'm not saying that at all.

00:25:42.000 I literally said I do not agree with that.

00:25:44.000 But what I don't think is that we should go so far back that we're saying every state should make their own opinion before the first trimester, after the second trimester.

00:25:55.000 Because to me, I live in Texas, I'm originally from California, and I know we vote very differently between I hope that you're not one of those who comes from California and brings your politics here, because you left for a reason, right?

00:26:07.000 I didn't leave by choice.

00:26:08.000 My parents brought me here.

00:26:09.000 So, I think views are going to very much differ.

00:26:13.000 Living in the Bible Belt, I've seen how that can affect people.

00:26:18.000 I've seen how it affects me as a black person, 112%.

00:26:19.000 How so?

00:26:20.000 What's the 12?

00:26:20.000 What's the 12%?

00:26:21.000 What's the 12 past 100?

00:26:27.000 I literally went to a restaurant when I was 8 years old and they told my cheerleading coach that I couldn't go into their restaurant because I was black and that was in Texas and it would never happen in California.

00:26:34.000 That's terrible.

00:26:35.000 So, there's just things that are different.

00:26:36.000 It definitely happens in California.

00:26:38.000 Okay.

00:26:39.000 I appreciate talking to you.

00:26:40.000 It definitely happens in California.

00:26:41.000 This is really fun.

00:26:42.000 You were saying no racists in California?

00:26:44.000 Come on, there's no way.

00:26:45.000 Ever been to Venice?

00:26:47.000 I've seen some.

00:26:47.000 I lived in California too.

00:26:50.000 I've seen racists everywhere.

00:26:51.000 Yeah, definitely some neo-Nazis in California.

00:26:56.000 Thank you.

00:26:57.000 No problem.

00:26:58.000 No worries.

00:26:59.000 Thank you.

00:27:00.000 No problem.

00:27:01.000 No worries.

00:27:02.000 Thank you.

00:27:03.000 No problem.

00:27:04.000 No worries.

00:27:05.000 Thank you.

00:27:06.000 No problem.

00:27:07.000 No worries.

00:27:08.000 Thank you.

00:27:09.000 No problem.

00:27:10.000 Thank you.

00:27:11.000 No problem.

00:27:13.000 Was that Longview, Texas?

00:27:14.000 I don't know the... Maybe Tyler?

00:27:18.000 It's a really nasty way...

00:27:25.000 Have you been following this, the Roe v. Wade situation?

00:27:27.000 No.

00:27:27.000 Alright.

00:27:27.000 Can I ask you about it?

00:27:28.000 Because we're just talking with people that... Because you know there were these protests here all across, you know, this lawn a couple days ago.

00:27:35.000 Oh, okay.

00:27:35.000 And that's why we didn't ask people there because it was pretty heated, you know, and you don't really end up having good conversations.

00:27:39.000 I'm Steven, by the way.

00:27:40.000 Hi, I'm Tammy.

00:27:41.000 Tammy?

00:27:42.000 Yes.

00:27:42.000 Is that spelled with a Y or an I?

00:27:43.000 Y. Okay.

00:27:45.000 So, Tammy, you said that you're pro... you're kind of... you're pro-choice.

00:27:47.000 Yes, I am.

00:27:48.000 Okay.

00:27:49.000 Have you been following the... you haven't been following the Roe v. Wade situation?

00:27:52.000 Um, yes I have.

00:27:53.000 Okay, so what is your opinion on it's a leak but alleged but it seems like it's very likely that the court will

00:27:59.000 overturn Roe v. Wade

00:28:02.000 What's your opinion on that?

00:28:04.000 I mean from your perspective as someone who's pro-choice from what I understand, but

00:28:07.000 specifically on this kind of piece of law

00:28:12.000 I hope they don't Revoke the entire Roe v. Wade legislation. Okay. I just

00:28:21.000 hope that they make whatever current modifications they need to

00:28:26.000 for you know 2020 and to the future

00:28:30.000 So I don't know, a lot of people are, because it gets confusing, right, with some of the Supreme Court law and precedent, what happens with Roe v. Wade, a lot of people think that means there's a ban on abortion.

00:28:40.000 It doesn't.

00:28:41.000 What it means, if it gets overturned, is it goes back to states.

00:28:45.000 So the states can place restrictions, or a state can ban abortion if they want.

00:28:50.000 And then states like Colorado, like New Jersey, like California that have abortions all the way up until nine months can still do that, but it's on a state by state basis.

00:29:00.000 What do you think about that, considering that that's what would happen?

00:29:06.000 I hope the local You know, state legislation, they were way both sides, the pro-choice and the pro-life.

00:29:16.000 And when I vote, I'll vote pro-choice.

00:29:19.000 Okay, you vote pro-choice.

00:29:20.000 But do you think it's at least a reasonable decision to say states should have the right to decide?

00:29:26.000 Yes, uh-huh.

00:29:27.000 Okay, so you're not against the overturning of it, but you would like in your state for there to be access to abortion.

00:29:32.000 Yes, uh-huh.

00:29:33.000 Okay, that seems to be a lot of people, most people, but the media sort of framed it as though it's an outright ban

00:29:38.000 on abortion, right?

00:29:40.000 Which scares people, and it's not really what happens.

00:29:42.000 But let me ask you this, you're pro-choice, if you were to vote in your state, should there be any limitations on

00:29:48.000 abortion at all?

00:29:50.000 Where do we draw that line, let's say, in Texas?

00:29:53.000 What would you like to see, if you could wave your magic wand and have, you know, any type of laws?

00:29:59.000 Well, what I would like to see is the medical community work with the families and help them to make those decisions.

00:30:08.000 You know, it's a private health decision, and so I hope that they will seek counsel from their medical providers.

00:30:17.000 Do you think, do you believe that there's a cutoff as far as abortion, you know, where it should no longer be allowed?

00:30:24.000 Yes, uh-huh.

00:30:25.000 Yes, I think the doctors can help.

00:30:27.000 Well, when do you think that should be, though?

00:30:29.000 For example, so it sounds to me like you're not supporting, for example, states that have abortion up until and including nine months.

00:30:35.000 Does that seem too far?

00:30:37.000 Yeah, that's too far.

00:30:39.000 Unless, like I said, it's case by case, medical case by case, and unless something is wrong with the fetus and the doctor has already determined that something has to happen, Yeah.

00:30:56.000 Which is very rare, obviously, and they usually catch that well before nine months.

00:31:00.000 There's no medical reason for a nine-month abortion, or eight-month, or seven-month.

00:31:03.000 So, if you're living in Texas, where would you like to see that line drawn?

00:31:07.000 You know, because different states will be able to establish their different laws.

00:31:10.000 Would you like it to be, you know, no abortions after the first trimester, second trimester, heartbeat?

00:31:17.000 Where should the line be drawn for general abortions?

00:31:21.000 Again, I think you should seek help with your medical provider and let your OBGYN specialist assist you with making those decisions.

00:31:34.000 So, no limitations at the state level?

00:31:37.000 Yes, that's correct.

00:31:38.000 In Texas?

00:31:39.000 In Texas.

00:31:40.000 Well, there you go.

00:31:41.000 I appreciate it.

00:31:42.000 Thank you very much for taking the time.

00:31:48.000 So, what's your name?

00:31:49.000 I'm Bella, nice to meet you.

00:31:50.000 Nice to meet you, Bella.

00:31:51.000 That's a pretty name.

00:31:52.000 Until Thorne had to ruin it for everybody.

00:31:54.000 Yeah, I know, right?

00:31:55.000 Oh my gosh!

00:31:56.000 So, Bella, are you familiar with, have you been following the Robey Way?

00:32:00.000 Yes.

00:32:00.000 Let me ask you the first question.

00:32:02.000 What do you think about the fact that it was leaked?

00:32:05.000 Well, I think that in itself is very scary because the privacy leak, you know?

00:32:12.000 And I just don't understand how something like that could have happened.

00:32:16.000 Right.

00:32:17.000 It is pretty scary and unprecedented.

00:32:19.000 I mean, yeah, the court is sort of supposed to be immune from that.

00:32:23.000 Yeah.

00:32:24.000 Okay.

00:32:24.000 So what's your opinion on the assuming that it's all correct and it's been mostly confirmed,

00:32:29.000 the overturning of Roe v. Wade?

00:32:31.000 I just, I mean, to answer your question just very simply, I just don't understand the whole debate.

00:32:39.000 Whereas, like, women should just be able to govern their own bodies.

00:32:43.000 Okay.

00:32:43.000 You know?

00:32:44.000 Well, that's a different conversation, right?

00:32:45.000 It's like where life begins and if it's your body or not.

00:32:48.000 Right.

00:32:48.000 Before we get to that, we can talk about that if you'd like to.

00:32:51.000 Sorry.

00:32:51.000 But I'd like to sort of talk, because a lot of people don't really know what overturning Roe v. Wade means.

00:32:57.000 And that's by design from the media.

00:32:59.000 They've obfuscated, made it complicated.

00:33:01.000 What is your impression of what happens if Roe v. Wade is overturned?

00:33:04.000 Well, from what I've understood, isn't it correct that

00:33:09.000 the whole thing is about like the document was leaked

00:33:14.000 and it had a decision regarding how women's bodies should be

00:33:20.000 governed.

00:33:22.000 Govern?

00:33:23.000 Isn't that correct?

00:33:24.000 No, so basically just, you know, Roe v. Wade, I don't know if, let's go back to kind of Roe v. Wade, when it happened.

00:33:29.000 Roe v. Wade, there's no constitutional right to an abortion.

00:33:32.000 Right.

00:33:32.000 It was sort of predicated under the 14th Amendment, the Due Process Clause, which they interpreted as a right to privacy, and so women with their doctor, and all Roe v. Wade really, what it did was it said that states could not place any restrictions on pregnancies or on abortions in the first trimester.

00:33:50.000 All that happens, if it gets overturned, is that changes where it goes on a state-by-state basis.

00:33:55.000 So California can make their own law, Texas can make their own law.

00:33:59.000 So if you want to have abortion all the way up until third trimester, eight months like some states, nine months like some states, they can do it.

00:34:04.000 And a place like Texas would legally be allowed to have like a heartbeat code.

00:34:08.000 Right.

00:34:09.000 Yeah, I think it is difficult.

00:34:13.000 I think it's odd if we're leaving the choice up to states to make that decision.

00:34:18.000 Does that make sense?

00:34:19.000 I think it's odd if we're leaving the choice up to states to make that decision.

00:34:27.000 If that makes sense.

00:34:28.000 I feel like holistically it should just be legal.

00:34:33.000 Okay.

00:34:34.000 Well, what it's just saying is it's not illegal federally.

00:34:38.000 Right, right.

00:34:39.000 And states can place restrictions if they want.

00:34:41.000 Right.

00:34:41.000 So, I mean, there are a lot of things, right, that we let states do.

00:34:43.000 Right.

00:34:43.000 Property taxes.

00:34:44.000 I mean, the way you do your education, for example.

00:34:47.000 Right.

00:34:48.000 Just public schools.

00:34:48.000 Some states have more agreements with charter schools.

00:34:50.000 So, this is just another example of it going to states' rights.

00:34:54.000 I guess the question is considering, you know, there were protests here and across the country that have gotten violent and outside of the Supreme Court justices' houses, which I think we agree on, the leak is a bad thing, the doxing is a bad thing.

00:35:04.000 Yeah, yeah, it's really bad.

00:35:05.000 Do we really think that the end result of overturning it is that extreme, that it warrants that kind of a reaction?

00:35:10.000 It's not a ban on abortion.

00:35:12.000 Yeah, it's not a ban on abortion.

00:35:15.000 I just, I mean, I'm sorry if I sound redundant, but I think the whole premise, I think the whole thing is just silly when we're talking about what women can and can't do with their bodies and their choices.

00:35:37.000 Yeah.

00:35:38.000 Well, then that gets to the... it's not really agreed upon.

00:35:41.000 Right?

00:35:42.000 Now, if we want to get to that conversation, we can have that conversation.

00:35:45.000 I'll tell you, I am pro-life.

00:35:48.000 Just so you know.

00:35:48.000 I think that Roe v. Wade is bad law.

00:35:51.000 And there are a lot of... even Ruth Bader Ginsburg said it really wasn't a good ruling because it's not a... there's no constitutional right to an abortion.

00:35:57.000 She said... she thought that at some point it would probably be undone.

00:36:00.000 So that's a separate issue.

00:36:01.000 People protesting sort of the changing of the law.

00:36:04.000 On the issue of what women do with their own bodies, and this is why it goes to states, can you at least understand... Because I can understand why you would say that.

00:36:14.000 I can understand the argument.

00:36:17.000 Can you understand why someone else, and particularly states and their legislatures, might say, But when there's another heartbeat, it's not your own body.

00:36:26.000 When there's another pair of eyes, fingers, toes, it's not your own body and they have the right, as they do in other state issues, to determine what limitations there are.

00:36:35.000 Can you understand why people think it's very different from any other issue and that they don't believe it's your body when there's another...

00:36:41.000 I understand that perspective because at that point when you start to have a heartbeat at a certain period of time, it does become another person involved because developmentally, right?

00:36:57.000 But I think I do agree with the fact that there should be at least some kind of cutoff point.

00:37:05.000 But the whole thing with like... When do you think that cut-off should be?

00:37:10.000 I mean, I feel like if there isn't a cut-off, then at that point, it's just kind of like, well, you had a long time to decide whether or not this was going to be the choice for you.

00:37:22.000 Right.

00:37:23.000 So, I can't give you an exact number, but I feel like at least before the fetus is fully, or at least partially fully formed, Yeah.

00:37:33.000 I feel like that would be a reasonable... That would be reasonable.

00:37:37.000 Yeah.

00:37:37.000 Okay.

00:37:37.000 Which is what most states will be doing.

00:37:39.000 Yeah.

00:37:40.000 You know, can I ask you, and this is just... Hey, Lane, can I grab this from you?

00:37:43.000 Just... Because this is also, I think this might help with Americans.

00:37:46.000 Because a lot of people, so let me kind of give you an example, right?

00:37:49.000 In Colorado, for example, and in Virginia, they can do abortions all the way up to here.

00:37:53.000 Yeah.

00:37:53.000 Texas says not after here, right?

00:37:56.000 A heartbeat bill?

00:37:57.000 About this area.

00:37:59.000 Where do you think Well... I mean, it is a good question.

00:38:06.000 But... It's hard to say.

00:38:07.000 I mean, I definitely shouldn't be anywhere over here.

00:38:10.000 That's a good question, but it's hard to say.

00:38:15.000 I mean, I definitely shouldn't be anywhere over here.

00:38:20.000 But I mean, I would say at least like over here, probably.

00:38:27.000 Okay.

00:38:28.000 I would imagine.

00:38:29.000 So that still includes the first trimester.

00:38:30.000 Yeah.

00:38:31.000 Which Roe v. Wade said you couldn't place restrictions right there at week 11 and 12.

00:38:36.000 Yeah.

00:38:37.000 And that's how, that's what was sort of brought, that's not sort of, that's what was brought to the Supreme Court because there were regulations that were created in this range.

00:38:46.000 And it was technically illegal for the states to do that?

00:38:48.000 Well, it's just, it's hard to say.

00:38:50.000 It's an odd perspective, but I just think that women should just be able to decide for themselves.

00:39:01.000 But should they be able to decide for themselves here?

00:39:03.000 And this is the thing, because it's a question, is Roe v. Wade, I think, is bad law.

00:39:06.000 But if someone is going to say it's good law, then it is incumbent upon them to say when, right, when is okay and when's not.

00:39:12.000 And it seems like you believe there should be some limitations.

00:39:14.000 Well, think about it this way.

00:39:15.000 Think about women who do make the choice to have an abortion.

00:39:20.000 They're already, depending on their perspective, but they're already going to be dealing with psychological repercussions.

00:39:30.000 From the abortion?

00:39:31.000 Yeah, and that's very common.

00:39:32.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:39:33.000 Yeah, there's a lot of trauma.

00:39:34.000 So, I feel like regardless at what state of development the baby is in, I mean, it's a choice that they have to make.

00:39:44.000 Yeah.

00:39:44.000 So even at these weeks?

00:39:46.000 Yeah.

00:39:47.000 So you support laws that allow abortion up until all the way nine months?

00:39:52.000 I would say, yeah.

00:39:53.000 I'm just a little confused because you said depending on where they are developmentally.

00:39:57.000 Those babies, they can be born.

00:40:00.000 There are plenty of babies.

00:40:01.000 My twins were born before this.

00:40:02.000 Yeah, I know.

00:40:03.000 I probably contradicted myself.

00:40:07.000 That's why I show it.

00:40:08.000 It's the opposite of a gotcha.

00:40:10.000 I'm trying to understand your perspective.

00:40:13.000 Because I will say, to me, the only way to consistently draw the line is at fertilization once there's new DNA that's separate from the mother and the father.

00:40:21.000 It's a new genetic code that determines everything from hand size, eye color, male pattern baldness.

00:40:31.000 Versus something arbitrary.

00:40:33.000 Right.

00:40:33.000 Because I think then you get into the territory of up until nine months, and I mean, we're no longer in a discussion of viability, right?

00:40:41.000 If you support that, then that just means, it doesn't matter if the baby is viable or not.

00:40:44.000 I have to run to work.

00:40:45.000 Okay.

00:40:46.000 Because this is the end of my lunch break!

00:40:47.000 Alright.

00:40:48.000 But I will just leave you with the fact that I think this is definitely an interesting discussion, and I think it's really good to explore it, and I do see your side.

00:40:58.000 Okay.

00:40:59.000 I see your viewpoint.

00:41:00.000 Thank you.

00:41:02.000 I think I would have to take a little bit more time myself to really think about exactly everything.

00:41:09.000 I think that's very reasonable.

00:41:10.000 I think we all should, as opposed to just yelling at each other.

00:41:13.000 Because you bring up good points, but at the same time, I mean, there's just a lot of variables.

00:41:17.000 I understand where you're coming from, and I understand that a lot of people feel that way.

00:41:21.000 Before you leave, would we at least agree that the overturning of Roe v. Wade has been a little misrepresented, and that most people think it's a ban on abortion?

00:41:30.000 Well yeah, I think there is the possibility it could be clouded.

00:41:33.000 I mean, also when you're dealing with mass social media, it's very easy for things to be misinterpreted.

00:41:40.000 Or even mainstream media like ABC and CNN.

00:41:42.000 And then you're gonna get into the whole Snowden thing, like everything's like...

00:41:47.000 Nothing is real.

00:41:48.000 Yeah, or like Big Brother's watching 1984.

00:41:51.000 Big Brother's definitely watching.

00:41:53.000 I think we both agree that Big Brother's definitely watching at this point.

00:41:56.000 I mean, at this point, I could have somebody looking at me in my phone.

00:41:59.000 Somebody could be watching me right now.

00:42:01.000 Do you know how you fix that?

00:42:04.000 Sticky notes.

00:42:05.000 I'm high-tech with that.

00:42:07.000 Thank you so much.

00:42:08.000 I really appreciate it.

00:42:09.000 Thank you for taking the time.

00:42:10.000 Be well.

00:42:11.000 Yes, thank you.

00:42:12.000 Hi.

00:42:13.000 How's it going?

00:42:14.000 Doing fine, thanks.

00:42:15.000 Do you want to eat up, John?

00:42:15.000 Hi! Do you want to find me? Do you want to eat up here?

00:42:19.000 Is this recording right now?

00:42:20.000 It could, yeah, it's recording.

00:42:21.000 But we're trying to get opinions from people, that's all.

00:42:24.000 about the Roe v. Wade situation going on.

00:42:26.000 What about you, you have three minutes?

00:42:27.000 It's more important to get a female's perspective.

00:42:29.000 Get out of here, get out of here.

00:42:30.000 Yeah, screw me, right?

00:42:31.000 What's your opinion on the potential overturning of Roe v.

00:42:34.000 Wade?

00:42:34.000 This isn't going to be a...

00:42:35.000 Is this recording right now?

00:42:36.000 It could, yeah, it's recording.

00:42:37.000 But we're trying to get opinions from people, that's all.

00:42:39.000 Just what your opinion is on the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

00:42:41.000 F*** up.

00:42:42.000 Okay, so you support the Roe v. Wade as it was before?

00:42:45.000 Oh yes, yes.

00:42:46.000 You know, that was created as a law by five white guys.

00:42:49.000 Yes, oh I know.

00:42:51.000 So I'm just saying they decided what women could do with their bodies.

00:42:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:42:56.000 But so either way that's kind of how it's going, right?

00:42:58.000 I'm like sweating right now.

00:42:59.000 I really can't be on camera.

00:43:01.000 I feel like this might be like They don't let you speak?

00:43:06.000 You're not allowed to speak your mind?

00:43:09.000 It's not white men who run that company, is it?

00:43:10.000 They shouldn't be able to tell you what you do with your mouth.

00:43:12.000 Do you want me to go talk to them?

00:43:14.000 Do you want me to go with you in the office?

00:43:15.000 I'll go in the office.

00:43:16.000 I'll talk to those white guys.

00:43:17.000 They can't tell you what you can and can't do with your body.

00:43:20.000 Okay.

00:43:21.000 Alright.

00:43:21.000 Go have your meeting.

00:43:22.000 Let's just make sure there are no white guys in there.

00:43:25.000 Well, yeah, I just... Are there white guys in that meeting?

00:43:28.000 You shouldn't be meeting with them.

00:43:29.000 You should be telling them to meet with you.

00:43:31.000 Yeah, fair enough.

00:43:32.000 Okay, good.

00:43:33.000 Like it's a black woman, or intersectional, who said... Don't let them be like, hey, you gotta be here at 1115.

00:43:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:43:39.000 It's not them telling you, it's them using, like, you know.

00:43:42.000 My point is, do your own, you know, you do you.

00:43:46.000 Hey, what's that?

00:43:50.000 What's his name?

00:43:51.000 Gordo.

00:43:52.000 Gordo?

00:43:53.000 Mary, Gordo, like Mortal Kombat?

00:43:55.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:43:56.000 Awesome.

00:43:57.000 Is that why you were named Gordo?

00:43:58.000 No, I was named after a Canadian singer.

00:44:01.000 Like Gordon Lightfoot?

00:44:02.000 Uh, Gord Downie.

00:44:04.000 Gord Downie from Tragically True.

00:44:05.000 Oh yeah, sure, yeah.

00:44:06.000 Okay.

00:44:06.000 I'm Canadian, so are you Canadian?

00:44:07.000 No, I'm Texan.

00:44:09.000 Alright.

00:44:09.000 Born and raised.

00:44:10.000 Okay, now they're appropriating Canadian culture.

00:44:11.000 So, Gordo and Mary, thanks for taking the time.

00:44:14.000 You know, we just had a great conversation with those folks.

00:44:16.000 So friendly.

00:44:18.000 I think it's pretty fucked up what's going on.

00:44:26.000 I think everybody should have the right to choose.

00:44:29.000 Well, particularly women.

00:44:30.000 I think when it's something that's affecting your body, you should have the right to choose how you're You should have the right to choose how you go about your own health.

00:44:41.000 And I think taking that away from people, and not even just taking it away, but criminalizing it is very backwards stuff for a country that prides itself on freedom.

00:44:51.000 Criminalizing abortion.

00:44:52.000 Yeah.

00:44:53.000 Okay.

00:44:53.000 And what do you think, Mary?

00:44:54.000 What's your opinion?

00:44:55.000 I think it's terrible.

00:44:56.000 It's awful.

00:44:57.000 Same reasoning?

00:44:58.000 Same reasoning?

00:44:59.000 Yeah.

00:45:00.000 So let me ask you this.

00:45:02.000 Is it your impression that Roe v. Wade is overturning?

00:45:04.000 Well let me ask you this first.

00:45:06.000 What do you think about the leak?

00:45:07.000 The fact that this was leaked from the Supreme Court?

00:45:09.000 I think it's pretty crazy to have a leak of that magnitude.

00:45:12.000 But I think it's also very important that we have this knowledge so you can at least

00:45:19.000 talk about it before this all happens.

00:45:22.000 We have a very hard right-leaning Supreme Court right now, which we've had, of course, this is America, this is, we've had, whether Democrat or Republican, in the very large gist of the political scale, we are right-leaning throughout our history.

00:45:42.000 And but right now it's to an extent that we really haven't seen in a very, very long time,

00:45:46.000 really, since the Civil War.

00:45:49.000 So I think it's when you start taking away rights that have been affirmed over and over

00:45:54.000 and over on this magnitude, I think it's important to...

00:45:59.000 I'm sorry, but you sound like you're pretty right wing because you talked about freedoms

00:46:03.000 and personal liberties.

00:46:04.000 No, I think freedom and personal liberties, right-wing or left-wing, there's always bipartisan issues.

00:46:09.000 And no matter who you are, you're a f***ing communist.

00:46:13.000 You're a communist because you think freedom is of this way.

00:46:15.000 And I'm not a communist.

00:46:18.000 And you're a hard right-wing, it's because you want freedoms in this way.

00:46:20.000 Everybody has their own ideas of how to get there.

00:46:22.000 No, communism is not about freedom.

00:46:24.000 It's pretty clearly expressed that it's anti-freedom.

00:46:26.000 There's no one who argues that communism is freedom.

00:46:28.000 There are.

00:46:28.000 There's communists that argue that.

00:46:30.000 Not Marx or Lenin.

00:46:32.000 Marx does argue about the freedom that comes with communism.

00:46:36.000 It's about the leadership of the proletariat, which is the individual, which if you're into individualism, I'd assume.

00:46:43.000 Can I ask you, is it freedom if you're taking my rights away?

00:46:48.000 The right to my own body.

00:46:50.000 There are two different questions.

00:46:52.000 If we want to talk about abortion, we can.

00:46:55.000 I want to discuss the impression of the law.

00:46:58.000 You mentioned criminalizing abortion.

00:47:01.000 Are you under the impression that's what the overturning of Roe v. Wade is?

00:47:04.000 No, the overturning of Roe v. Wade is giving states the right to criminalize abortion.

00:47:09.000 States to set their own rules.

00:47:11.000 But if you go deeper into it... More specifically, in the second and first trimester.

00:47:16.000 If you get into this, there is a big discrepancy, particularly in the US, between income levels.

00:47:25.000 Particularly in a state like Texas, which is f***ing huge, as you know, if you don't make enough, it costs to get to another state to have an abortion, just to travel out, it's gonna be like gas prices are incredibly high, all this.

00:47:39.000 What did they get today?

00:47:41.000 Are they over 40?

00:47:42.000 It's not that bad.

00:47:42.000 God.

00:47:44.000 He just said it was bad.

00:47:46.000 Seems like you're couching it a little bit.

00:47:49.000 But, if you don't have the money, which a lot of, there are quite a lot of low-income people, not just in Texas, but in the US in general, to get out, to access your right to an abortion, which isn't even your right unless you're in another state, you can only do that if you have money.

00:48:05.000 So, unless there's, I'm against criminalizing abortion completely, but if you want to go like that, and you still care about personal freedoms and rights, there should be, like, very hardcore programs to allow the people that do want it to go to another state.

00:48:19.000 And how it's set up right now, it's gonna, it's leading the way to make it not just illegal to have an abortion within Texas or whatever state that criminalizes it, but to make it criminal to go to another state to get an abortion.

00:48:33.000 And I think that's like pretty, it's pretty totalitarian and authoritarian.

00:48:36.000 So would it make it, your impression is that it would make it criminal to go to another state to get an abortion?

00:48:41.000 No, but that's what it's leading up to because these are precedents we're talking about.

00:48:46.000 I haven't heard that suggested at any kind of event.

00:48:49.000 Well, I just told you, this is how precedents work in legal scenarios.

00:48:54.000 You're setting a very large precedent like this, which gives people the right to go further and further and further.

00:49:00.000 The whole Roe v. Wade precedent is based on that abortion wasn't mentioned in the Constitution.

00:49:06.000 But also the right to marry interracially isn't in the Constitution.

00:49:09.000 That's true.

00:49:12.000 A lot of things that we take as very granted and that are important aren't mentioned in the Constitution.

00:49:18.000 So I think this is like a very dangerous thing that's happening right now.

00:49:21.000 Yeah, I think there's... and your question was, now I understand where you're coming from, I would disagree with... First off, do you mean precedent or precedence?

00:49:28.000 You used both.

00:49:29.000 Precedent.

00:49:30.000 Okay, precedent.

00:49:33.000 And you asked me a question earlier.

00:49:37.000 I asked you a question.

00:49:38.000 I wanted to get to the Supreme Court kind of Roe v. Wade law.

00:49:38.000 No, it's up to the states.

00:49:40.000 So I actually appreciate you understand that it goes to the states and the states have that, you know,

00:49:45.000 have that right because you actually understand what Roe v.

00:49:47.000 Wade being overturned is.

00:49:49.000 A lot of people think that there's a federal criminalizing of abortion, which isn't really the case.

00:49:52.000 No, it's up to the states.

00:49:54.000 Yeah, I don't really, I haven't seen any literature that suggests that might be a legal trouble.

00:49:59.000 Over half the states already have a...

00:50:01.000 And it's also, I think it's also very difficult to, when it leads it to the states,

00:50:05.000 because the gerrymandering is so intense in places like Texas and stuff,

00:50:09.000 which really skews the political outlook when the large majority of people in cities like this,

00:50:15.000 like Dallas, do vote blue and I'm not a Democrat.

00:50:18.000 In fact, I'm very heavily against the Democratic Party.

00:50:21.000 just about as equally as much as I'm against the Republican Party.

00:50:24.000 I think the US politics are f***ed across the board.

00:50:27.000 So how would you identify?

00:50:30.000 I am progressive left-winging.

00:50:32.000 I believe in human rights, which I mean, I think we all deserve a right to...

00:50:37.000 We're the richest country in the world and it's 2020.

00:50:39.000 We're very progressive.

00:50:42.000 We have the right to health care.

00:50:43.000 We have the right to bodily autonomy and to be an individual person.

00:50:47.000 To chase your self-actualization.

00:50:50.000 Be the person you want to be as long as you're not harming anybody else.

00:50:54.000 I know this is where it comes down to because In abortion, in this rhetoric it always comes down to whether you believe a fetus is a person or not.

00:51:02.000 And I believe, because I don't remember and nobody remembers what they were as a fetus because you're not sentient, I don't believe you're a person until you're born, until you're a sentient being.

00:51:11.000 I don't remember anything before my second birthday.

00:51:14.000 Yeah, me neither.

00:51:16.000 I'm also not advocating for aborting someone at a year old, but this is not what we're talking about.

00:51:21.000 The line of sentience, right?

00:51:23.000 The right to your own body.

00:51:24.000 But you're not in the world at all.

00:51:26.000 Why are you forcing women to carry out a pregnancy that they can't afford?

00:51:31.000 You know that would lead up to a lot of high rates of infant mortality, people can't take care of a child, people can't go to the doctor.

00:51:42.000 It's a problem.

00:51:44.000 The healthcare system is awful.

00:51:46.000 You can't afford to have a child in this country.

00:51:50.000 It's expensive.

00:51:52.000 I'm 21.

00:51:53.000 I could never afford to have a child.

00:51:55.000 I can afford my health insurance that is expensive, but once a year?

00:52:03.000 Twice a year to go to the doctor, but that's about it.

00:52:06.000 I can't afford to go to a hospital and have a child.

00:52:09.000 We can't even afford to go to the hospital in general.

00:52:11.000 I can't afford housing in this state, in this country, actually.

00:52:14.000 Yeah, I can't even afford to go to the doctor in general.

00:52:16.000 If I get actually sick, sick, like, I'm f***ed.

00:52:19.000 People that make $100,000 a year, you get cancer, you're bankrupt.

00:52:22.000 Where do you work?

00:52:24.000 Right now, I just got back from Europe, doing a study abroad, so this is my first day back, so I don't have a job right now.

00:52:29.000 What are you studying?

00:52:30.000 I study human rights, actually.

00:52:31.000 Okay, cool.

00:52:31.000 Where were you studying?

00:52:32.000 At like a university?

00:52:33.000 Okay.

00:52:33.000 Where were you studying?

00:52:34.000 Barcelona.

00:52:35.000 At like a university?

00:52:36.000 Yeah, IAU is the university.

00:52:38.000 It's my final semester so I was just finishing, I've already finished my degree, I was just

00:52:41.000 doing like my electives basically and traveling.

00:52:44.000 But yeah, I study human rights at SMU actually.

00:52:47.000 Okay, so you said you can't afford a house?

00:52:51.000 No.

00:52:51.000 Who can afford a house at like, I'm 23.

00:52:53.000 Who can afford a house at 23?

00:52:55.000 Unless you're at Mark, uh... Or you said you can't afford a place to live.

00:52:58.000 Uh, yeah, well I could afford a place to live if I was willing...

00:53:02.000 Compared to five years ago, it was very easy for me.

00:53:05.000 For five years ago, I could go bartend, which is what I normally do, and I could afford a decent place for like $800, $700 a month.

00:53:13.000 In Dallas, it's very hard to find.

00:53:15.000 To get a place that's not cockroach infested and falling down, I'd have to have two or three roommates, which is normal.

00:53:22.000 But, I mean, I've been here my entire life and it's just getting, uh... I've seen the change firsthand.

00:53:28.000 We bought our house for $80,000.

00:53:29.000 That neighborhood's about $400,000 now because of these multi-corporations coming in and buying up our neighborhoods.

00:53:34.000 Like Vanguard and BlackRock.

00:53:35.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:36.000 We'd probably agree, you know, Elizabeth Warren said they should be too big to fail.

00:53:39.000 I don't think any company is too big to fail.

00:53:41.000 Um, yeah, I think, yeah, but I understand where you're going with this, uh, situation, and I also believe that... Where am I going?

00:53:41.000 They should fail.

00:53:49.000 Well, I believe that, uh, when a corporation gets, uh, past a certain threshold of money, they should be checked and limited by the government, because, um, I believe it was Thomas Jefferson has a quote where he talks about if, uh, the power goes towards, if the power goes No, this will be totally unedited.

00:54:06.000 I really appreciate everything you've been saying.

00:54:08.000 later if you want. You probably won't because I know you like to nitpick your things. Nothing

00:54:12.000 against you. No, this will be totally unedited. I really appreciate everything you've been

00:54:15.000 saying. There's a thing about Thomas Jefferson that talks about when the money is like, you

00:54:22.000 can look up Thomas Jefferson bank quote I believe, and basically when the banks, if

00:54:27.000 they're given too much money, and by banks it's capital interest goes above the people,

00:54:33.000 it's no longer a democracy.

00:54:34.000 And it's true.

00:54:36.000 I certainly agree.

00:54:38.000 We really pride ourselves on being a democracy, but we're not.

00:54:40.000 I think we can find common ground there.

00:54:42.000 I can find common ground with a lot of right-wing people, but our ideals are against each other because there are certain things that... Hold on, can you let me speak?

00:54:50.000 I think we're saying the same thing on Too Big to Fail.

00:54:52.000 I think that big banks want to privatize profits and socialize losses.

00:54:56.000 And I think you're saying pick a lane so where we won't find common ground is more so socialize the banks.

00:54:56.000 Right?

00:54:59.000 Well, what do you mean about socialized losses?

00:55:01.000 Can you expand on that?

00:55:02.000 Well, they get bailed out by the taxpayer.

00:55:04.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:06.000 In other words, when the bank has a problem, they're insured by the federal government.

00:55:10.000 And so that's the taxpayer, and that's people who really shouldn't, even people who are middle class, people who are lower middle class paying taxes shouldn't bail out banks, right?

00:55:17.000 Do we agree on that?

00:55:19.000 I do agree on that.

00:55:20.000 But even past that, what the hell do we get as taxpayers even without that?

00:55:24.000 We're one of the richest nations in the world, we don't have our free healthcare, we don't have a public transport system that's adequate.

00:55:29.000 Dallas, we have a public transport system, but come on, it's bullshit.

00:55:34.000 Is there no public transit?

00:55:35.000 For most of the U.S., compared to Europe, you don't need a car, really.

00:55:39.000 You can survive quite easily without one.

00:55:42.000 For most of the U.S., if you don't have a car, you are struggling.

00:55:45.000 You don't have a life.

00:55:46.000 You don't have the ability to have a social life.

00:55:48.000 It's difficult to get to work.

00:55:50.000 is quite big.

00:55:50.000 The U.S.

00:55:53.000 We don't invest at all in... We don't invest in the social good, really, with any of our tax money.

00:56:00.000 Our tax money is...

00:56:03.000 I don't really know that I agree with that.

00:56:06.000 I mean, you're talking about many, many trillions of dollars spent in the war on poverty.

00:56:09.000 We just talked about multi-trillion dollar infrastructure bills.

00:56:13.000 No, I agree.

00:56:14.000 I just don't think that the federal spending on the war on poverty works.

00:56:17.000 Just like the war on drugs hasn't worked.

00:56:19.000 I don't think throwing more money at it helps.

00:56:20.000 I think that the problem is the corruption.

00:56:22.000 Well, I think the problem there, right, is we would both agree that it's corruption.

00:56:24.000 There's a lot of money that's being spent.

00:56:26.000 It's not being spent in the right way.

00:56:27.000 I don't necessarily think that all those things are fundamental human rights, but I certainly would argue that the money is being spent very poorly.

00:56:33.000 I mean, there's a lot of money being spent.

00:56:35.000 We have a spending problem, and it's not going anywhere useful.

00:56:37.000 But I wanted to get back to kind of Roe v. Wade and the subject.

00:56:40.000 Let me ask you this, because there are people, for example, we had four people there, you know, African Americans, who How do you know there are four African Americans?

00:56:48.000 I said four.

00:56:48.000 Oh, four.

00:56:49.000 I thought you said four.

00:56:50.000 Ooh, careful with your presumptions.

00:56:51.000 No, I thought I misheard you.

00:56:53.000 It wasn't a presumption.

00:56:54.000 It sounded four and four.

00:56:55.000 There were four African Americans there.

00:56:57.000 The number four.

00:56:58.000 I thought you said four.

00:56:59.000 Okay, I didn't.

00:57:01.000 What were you asking?

00:57:02.000 Yeah, well thanks.

00:57:03.000 Is, um, you know, they, so their point of view was, okay, they were pro-choice.

00:57:08.000 And then she was a mother of four.

00:57:09.000 And when I asked her about the Texas heartbeat bill, she said, well yeah, of course, after

00:57:13.000 a heartbeat, because she had done an ultrasound, she said that's a separate heart, whose heart

00:57:16.000 are you stopping?

00:57:17.000 My question to you is this, because I know you're coming in hot and, and, and, and, and

00:57:20.000 I'm not coming in hot.

00:57:21.000 I'm really speaking like... I'm not coming in hot.

00:57:23.000 You understand the other perspective where someone says, someone does certainly have

00:57:23.000 I'm not being aggressive.

00:57:28.000 more than half the country believe in a limitation at some point, that at a certain point it's

00:57:32.000 no longer your own body.

00:57:34.000 That's their argument and that's why the Supreme Court has said it's bad law and states should

00:57:37.000 have the right to enforce those regulations.

00:57:42.000 Will the fetus survive if it's outside of your body?

00:57:47.000 So you don't have any children, right?

00:57:48.000 No, I don't.

00:57:49.000 Because a baby won't survive outside of the body.

00:57:51.000 No, it's relying on your body.

00:57:53.000 A baby won't survive outside of the body, but I mean a baby delivered naturally won't survive outside of the body.

00:57:53.000 Right.

00:57:57.000 Yeah, well, I mean... We're talking about a fetus right now, not a baby.

00:57:59.000 I'm talking about a fetus.

00:58:00.000 So what changes from, let's say...

00:58:02.000 Well, one's a fetus and one's a baby.

00:58:04.000 I'm sorry, eight months, four, you know, three weeks, six days to nine months.

00:58:08.000 Is it just inside outside the womb that makes it a person?

00:58:11.000 Well, one's a fetus and one's a baby.

00:58:13.000 But why is one a fetus if it's, if it's just one day, nine months,

00:58:17.000 it's not relying on your body to your umbilical cord.

00:58:22.000 And once it's outside and cut, that's.

00:58:24.000 So is that what defines a person as the umbilical cord?

00:58:27.000 My opinion, yeah.

00:58:29.000 So what if a woman gives birth and they haven't cut the cord yet?

00:58:31.000 Does that mean they can abort the baby at that point?

00:58:33.000 Nobody's even talking about aborting like a baby that's still on the cord.

00:58:36.000 It actually does exist.

00:58:37.000 It actually does exist.

00:58:38.000 There was a bill.

00:58:39.000 But we have like so many billions of people in the world.

00:58:41.000 It was a bill presented that And I feel like I've been pretty respectful in letting you talk a lot and go in a different direction.

00:58:46.000 Well, you're interviewing me, so of course I would talk a lot.

00:58:48.000 So, yeah, and I'm also being respectful.

00:58:50.000 Well, I think interrupting is different from talking a lot.

00:58:52.000 Would we agree?

00:58:54.000 Well, if you want me to leave, it's okay.

00:58:56.000 I would like to hear her answer.

00:58:57.000 I'm having a conversation.

00:59:00.000 Okay, so, um, is that what defines personhood?

00:59:03.000 I mean, the point that other people are defining personhood, and people define it differently, and I understand that.

00:59:07.000 For example, these four African Americans said, okay, heartbeat, they agree with the Texas bill.

00:59:11.000 Some people think that it's after the first trimester.

00:59:13.000 Can I ask you why is it called the heartbeat bill?

00:59:18.000 Because it's when you can detect a fetal heartbeat.

00:59:21.000 Can you detect a fetal heartbeat at six weeks?

00:59:23.000 Yes.

00:59:24.000 I'm not sure about that.

00:59:26.000 Here you go.

00:59:27.000 Okay, so, what is your argument?

00:59:29.000 You used to be able to, but you can now with more advanced ultrasound.

00:59:31.000 And I just had twins, so, yeah, I know for a fact.

00:59:34.000 What is your argument?

00:59:35.000 No, my question is, can you understand, in other words, those people who were horrified, right, at the idea of aborting a baby after a heartbeat.

00:59:42.000 And there are a lot of Americans who believe that, okay, once it has its own fingers, toes, sex, you know, there are people who believe, like I do.

00:59:49.000 I believe in the woman's choice.

00:59:52.000 I believe in the right to choose.

00:59:54.000 So when does that line, I guess, when is there the line of, and this is why it's going to states.

00:59:59.000 I mean, I've talked to many people, many people that are pro-choice about this.

01:00:03.000 I know, I mean, I believe the woman has the right to abort a child whenever they want.

01:00:08.000 So all the way up until nine months, including birth?

01:00:11.000 Yeah.

01:00:11.000 And you don't believe that that baby is a person at 8 months, 7, even though they could be born and viable.

01:00:15.000 Because you said viability earlier.

01:00:17.000 They are viable.

01:00:18.000 It's viable at 21 weeks.

01:00:19.000 If it's a person, I mean, if it's still in your body, you have the choice to do what you want with your body.

01:00:26.000 So is the location what determines a person?

01:00:27.000 In your body or outside of your body?

01:00:30.000 Well, once it's delivered, you carry it.

01:00:33.000 Okay, first of all, nobody really wants to abort a child at 8 months.

01:00:37.000 Yeah, it does.

01:00:38.000 It happens all the time.

01:00:39.000 For many reasons, if they... I've had a couple friends with abortions, and it was never at 8 months.

01:00:44.000 It was always at, like, when they find out.

01:00:45.000 A few months, yeah.

01:00:46.000 It happens.

01:00:47.000 It happens tens of thousands a year.

01:00:48.000 My problem also with this abortion bill is that it's making it so... Why?

01:00:52.000 Why do they want to abort the child at 8 months old?

01:00:54.000 Whenever we're shifting the goalposts, right, I'm just saying it does happen, and there are states that restrict it, but there are some states that don't.

01:01:00.000 My question is, would you restrict it then, if you're saying... No.

01:01:03.000 Okay, so someone should be able to abort at 8 months, 9 months.

01:01:06.000 Um, if that's what they choose.

01:01:08.000 Okay.

01:01:09.000 Why?

01:01:10.000 Why?

01:01:10.000 Because it's their body, so it's their choice.

01:01:12.000 So... It's a person who is able to have a child, so it's their choice.

01:01:19.000 So, if a woman is eight months pregnant, using your premise, since we've gone to this, does that woman have 20 fingers?

01:01:26.000 Does she have 20 toes?

01:01:26.000 Does she have a penis, if it's a boy?

01:01:29.000 What does that matter?

01:01:29.000 Does she have two brains?

01:01:30.000 What does that matter?

01:01:31.000 Well, because you're ending the life, the functioning life, of another human being that has all of those things.

01:01:36.000 So I'm saying, you're saying that's her body, so that woman has 20 toes?

01:01:39.000 What does that matter?

01:01:41.000 It's not her body if she doesn't have 20 fingers and toes.

01:01:44.000 Oh, you're saying 10 fingers plus her 10 fingers, that's 20 fingers.

01:01:49.000 Is it still the woman's body?

01:01:50.000 It's her child, it's her body, so it's her choice.

01:01:52.000 Is it her child or is it her body?

01:01:54.000 Both!

01:01:57.000 It's... What is that?

01:01:59.000 Who decides when it's a child?

01:02:01.000 Probably the person that's carrying.

01:02:03.000 Whether you would call it a child or a fetus.

01:02:06.000 I know this is what it comes down to.

01:02:07.000 Is it a child or a fetus?

01:02:08.000 In my opinion, when it's in your body, the medical idea of what you call it a fetus is a fetus.

01:02:15.000 If you aborted me when I was a fetus, I'm not going to f***ing complain because I don't f***ing know.

01:02:19.000 Because I'm not f***ing sentient.

01:02:20.000 I'm not a person.

01:02:20.000 You're a matter of sense.

01:02:21.000 Well, there are plenty of people who aren't sentient.

01:02:23.000 People with brain damage, babies who aren't sentient.

01:02:25.000 Yeah, I'm not talking about f***ing cleansing or anything like that.

01:02:30.000 I'm talking about... But you brought up sentience.

01:02:32.000 And I'm just saying that's an important distinction to make.

01:02:34.000 I understand, yeah.

01:02:35.000 Why is it not?

01:02:36.000 Because you said child or her body.

01:02:37.000 There's a big difference.

01:02:39.000 Is it a child?

01:02:39.000 I'm just using... I'm trying to understand where you're coming from.

01:02:42.000 You're not in this world yet.

01:02:43.000 I think you're actually trying to understand where I'm coming from.

01:02:46.000 Well, I asked you, could you understand where they're coming from?

01:02:48.000 Because I was four people.

01:02:49.000 Can you understand where they say, well, it's a separate heartbeat, so I understand some kind of restriction?

01:02:52.000 Yeah, but I also think maybe they just aren't fully knowledgeable on the entirety of the Texas bill that was passed four or six weeks ago.

01:03:01.000 The four black people?

01:03:03.000 Yeah.

01:03:04.000 Maybe.

01:03:05.000 I don't know.

01:03:05.000 I don't know them.

01:03:06.000 I didn't talk to them about it.

01:03:07.000 But there are a lot of Americans who think there should be a limitation.

01:03:09.000 You understand that your view is considered, you know, is extreme left, extreme right, is no abortions, even in the case of rape and incest.

01:03:15.000 Yours is abortion up until nine months.

01:03:18.000 That's considered a pretty radical view.

01:03:19.000 Yeah, it is.

01:03:20.000 And so I'd be curious to understand where you draw, and it seems to me like your, well statistically it's a radical view.

01:03:26.000 Most Americans don't agree with that.

01:03:27.000 Doesn't mean that it's right or wrong.

01:03:29.000 I'm just saying it would be considered very far left.

01:03:32.000 Yeah.

01:03:33.000 What makes it acceptable, and this is a question that I'm really, I am trying to understand, what makes it acceptable when it's a baby that is totally viable, because that's what you brought up first, is completely viable outside of the womb?

01:03:43.000 There's no debate at this point, right?

01:03:44.000 It's still connected to her body.

01:03:46.000 So it's the umbilical cord.

01:03:47.000 Can I bring something up real quick?

01:03:49.000 The fetus is still relying on the nutrients of her body to survive.

01:03:54.000 Right.

01:03:54.000 So it's her choice to end that pregnancy.

01:03:57.000 So it is exclusively that a baby is relying on the nutrients of the mother.

01:04:00.000 Because we both know the baby is relying entirely on the mother's capabilities for a year, two years after.

01:04:06.000 Well, once the baby is born and once it's not connected to that person, then...

01:04:12.000 The baby's reliant on the mother's nutrients at that point, right?

01:04:14.000 No, not necessarily, no.

01:04:15.000 Because of modern technology.

01:04:17.000 But for the longest time, they had to be breastfed.

01:04:18.000 They're still reliant on the mother's nutrients.

01:04:20.000 Can I bring something up real quick?

01:04:22.000 Well, not the mother that... You don't necessarily have to be the mother that birthed the child to keep the child alive.

01:04:30.000 Right, but it's reliant upon the nutrients of another woman.

01:04:32.000 You said it's reliant upon the actual nutrients of another body.

01:04:34.000 So, what's the difference between the now-child breastfeeding versus the child who is relying on the nutrients inside the body, is what you're saying.

01:04:44.000 That's my question.

01:04:47.000 Yeah, um... Well, it's... The person that had the child inside their body is... Where am I going?

01:04:58.000 We've been drinking, but can I bring something up?

01:05:02.000 You brought up the war on drugs earlier, and how it was ineffective, because we poured all this money into it, and we really heavily criminalized drugs to an extreme extent, and it never worked.

01:05:13.000 It actually made the problem worse.

01:05:15.000 If you read any white papers, any research paper on abortion and limiting abortions, no matter what your ideal of how conception or when it becomes a baby, Abortions, like, throughout anywhere that abortions have been criminalized, they still happen.

01:05:32.000 But when you criminalize them, then you have the problems that we're facing right now.

01:05:36.000 In the drug world, it's fentanyl, and I've lost three friends in two years from fentanyl.

01:05:40.000 But in abortions, it's going to be illegal abortions, because people are still going to be desperate and still going to have them, and people are still going to die and be, like, armed.

01:05:47.000 So, if I... Now, I'm 21 years old.

01:05:49.000 They won't be illegal?

01:05:50.000 Right now, I'm 21.

01:05:51.000 I can't afford to have a child, but...

01:05:55.000 I, if I were pregnant, I couldn't afford to have a child, I would get an abortion.

01:05:59.000 A safe, legal abortion.

01:06:02.000 It would allow me to have a child in the future.

01:06:05.000 Because it's, I didn't have to harm my own body to abort this child.

01:06:10.000 Right.

01:06:11.000 So if, a safe, easy abortion, legal, would ensure that I was able to have a child in the future.

01:06:19.000 So why, I don't... I don't understand the question.

01:06:23.000 Are you asking me a question?

01:06:24.000 No, I'm just making a point.

01:06:26.000 OK. Because I was still waiting for the answer to the question regarding the breastfeeding

01:06:30.000 and umbilical cord. And I understand you were talking about fentanyl. If we don't have abortions,

01:06:33.000 we'll have more fentanyl.

01:06:34.000 If you're taking away safe legal abortions, then I... if someone has no choice and can't

01:06:40.000 afford a child and still...

01:06:44.000 They have a lot of choices.

01:06:46.000 You didn't let me finish.

01:06:49.000 If it was not legal to have an abortion and a person is still able to go out and have what we call a back alley abortion, it could ruin their body for the rest of their life.

01:06:59.000 They're not going to be able to have a child in the future.

01:07:04.000 f***ed up their uterus.

01:07:06.000 They, you know, it's...

01:07:08.000 So a safe legal abortion would ensure that that child, or that person, could have a child in the future.

01:07:18.000 Not necessarily.

01:07:20.000 Why?

01:07:20.000 Abstinence doesn't work.

01:07:22.000 correlation equaling causation that a safe legal abortion and there's of course the arguments

01:07:26.000 we made that it's never safe for the baby involved.

01:07:28.000 But there are other choices that wouldn't insure anything because what does insure it

01:07:31.000 is contraception, abstinence, motherhood, adoption.

01:07:35.000 Why is it not?

01:07:36.000 Abstinence doesn't work.

01:07:37.000 Everybody knows that.

01:07:38.000 I gave you three other options.

01:07:39.000 And also can I tell you adoption.

01:07:42.000 I don't know about you, but there's never been a single baby from people who haven't been having sex.

01:07:46.000 Yeah, but we're all human and everybody has sex and you try to teach kids about abstinence like they taught us in Texas and it doesn't work and a lot of people get pregnant when they're young because they don't know anything about contraception.

01:07:56.000 They get pregnant if they're not practicing abstinence.

01:07:59.000 Yes, I agree with you.

01:07:59.000 But who practices abstinence?

01:08:01.000 Are you going to be a monk?

01:08:02.000 Do you practice abstinence?

01:08:04.000 I've written about it extensively, yeah, before I was married.

01:08:05.000 Yeah, but do you practice it?

01:08:06.000 Yeah, before I was married, yeah.

01:08:07.000 A lot of people do.

01:08:08.000 To each their own.

01:08:09.000 Well, you just made an argument and said to each their own.

01:08:12.000 Yeah.

01:08:12.000 Well, you know, most people don't do abstinence contraception.

01:08:15.000 A teenager in high school, if you tell them to never have sex, well, of course they're going to have sex.

01:08:21.000 And a lot of people don't have abstinence contraception.

01:08:23.000 And you never teach the person or the child in high school how to have safe sex.

01:08:29.000 That's a whole point of abstinence, right?

01:08:30.000 Well, I'm not advocating that.

01:08:33.000 I think I was pretty good because I brought up the other choices outside of abortion, right?

01:08:38.000 I don't really give a s**t, yeah.

01:08:40.000 I don't know what your point is.

01:08:42.000 Well, you said that that choice of safe, legal, and rare abortion... No, we're just spiraling out of control here.

01:08:47.000 Well, you said the choice of safe, legal, and rare abortion would ensure, and I was saying there are other options that ensure it.

01:08:52.000 Can we go back and wrap it up real quick?

01:08:53.000 Absence, contraception... No, no, hold on a second, let me finish.

01:08:55.000 I'm sure you're aware that there are states that are making contraceptives illegal.

01:09:00.000 No, I'm not.

01:09:01.000 You're not aware of that?

01:09:02.000 There are no states right now that make contraception illegal.

01:09:06.000 No, I'm not.

01:09:07.000 You're not aware of that?

01:09:08.000 There have been multiple talks.

01:09:09.000 There are no states right now that make contraception illegal.

01:09:10.000 Well, you know, they're trying to, right?

01:09:11.000 So now we've changed the goalposts.

01:09:12.000 No, we haven't.

01:09:13.000 We haven't.

01:09:14.000 We haven't.

01:09:15.000 No, that's literally what I just said.

01:09:19.000 Mississippi right now has talked about how making contraceptives legal is not off the board.

01:09:25.000 Which is a pretty intense thing to say.

01:09:28.000 The state legislature of Mississippi has not said that.

01:09:31.000 What about Louisiana and the IUD?

01:09:36.000 Can we bring it back and wrap it up on whatever?

01:09:38.000 Yeah, no, I thought we just did bring it back.

01:09:39.000 You brought it back to the War on Drugs that you were studying human rights abroad and can't afford a house, and that's a human right on the internet, and I think we've gone to a lot of different directions.

01:09:46.000 What I wanted is to have a conversation about Roe v. Wade, and I appreciate you going these different directions.

01:09:51.000 You can smoke if you want.

01:09:52.000 It's okay.

01:09:53.000 I appreciate it, though.

01:09:55.000 Thanks for offering.

01:09:56.000 Um, but, uh, I think I understand where you guys line up on Roe v. Wade and I think that there's a divide in this country and, you know, states are going to be able to establish their own laws.

01:10:04.000 My point is, is I, I mean, you're not able to carry a child because I'm assuming that you are a man without a uterus.

01:10:14.000 Why?

01:10:15.000 Because you're Steven Crowder and I know you have a penis.

01:10:19.000 You can show us real quick if you want to prove it.

01:10:23.000 No, that's a felony.

01:10:24.000 We're okay with it, we're consenting.

01:10:26.000 It doesn't matter, the other people here aren't consenting.

01:10:29.000 I'll show you mine if you consent.

01:10:32.000 That's the last thing I want to see.

01:10:34.000 It's pretty big.

01:10:35.000 He never goes to the doctor so maybe... Yeah, maybe it's because he lays it on the microwave.

01:10:40.000 So, I'm a man.

01:10:41.000 I'll go with it.

01:10:42.000 I'm a man.

01:10:43.000 Let me guess, you're about to say because I'm a man I shouldn't have an opinion on abortion, right?

01:10:46.000 Do you have an opinion on murder?

01:10:48.000 Theft?

01:10:48.000 Arson?

01:10:49.000 Come on.

01:10:50.000 It's a silly argument.

01:10:51.000 You can have an opinion.

01:10:52.000 We're all interested in your opinion.

01:10:53.000 Thank you, man.

01:10:54.000 I appreciate it.

01:10:55.000 You guys have a good day.

01:10:56.000 Be safe.

01:10:56.000 You too.

01:10:56.000 Well, there you have it.

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