Louder with Crowder - Donald Trump vs. Elon Musk: The Massive Battle Over the Big Beautiful Bill

00:02:06.000 Welcome to the Rumble lineup live, 9 a.m. now through 7 p.m. Eastern, starting next week.

00:02:13.000 I'm going to keep this short and sweet, because it's not every day that you pick a fight with the world's wealthiest man ever, let alone one who claims to be amongst your ranks.

00:02:26.000 Elon Musk is lying to you?

00:02:30.000 Elon Musk is, I would argue, a fraud?

00:02:36.000 And I'll make an irrefutable case.

00:02:37.000 Let's get to the show.

00:02:38.000 Viewer discretion is advised.

00:02:46.000 Bad girls, what you want, what you want, what you want to do? 1.00

00:02:50.000 When they come for you.

00:02:54.000 Bad girls, bad girls, what you gonna do?

00:03:03.000 What you gonna do when they come for you?

00:03:05.000 Bad girls, bad girls, what you gonna do?

00:03:08.000 What you gonna do when they come for you?

00:03:11.000 Feminist Cops is filmed on location with the brave, strong women of law enforcement. 1.00

00:03:17.000 All suspects are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

00:03:24.000 Oh, come on, you all right?

00:03:24.000 Hi, officer.

00:03:28.000 Is there a problem?

00:03:28.000 Yeah.

00:03:29.000 Do you know how fast you're going there, sir?

00:03:30.000 Uh, no.

00:03:32.000 I don't...

00:03:33.000 Do you let anyone on the force these days?

00:03:35.000 Excuse me.

00:03:36.000 I met the PT requirements.

00:03:37.000 I did a 30-second dead hang.

00:03:39.000 Okay, I'm sorry.

00:03:40.000 Just, you're really small.

00:03:41.000 But, I mean, you're very pretty.

00:03:43.000 Watch it.

00:03:44.000 I can do 40 push-ups.

00:03:45.000 Are those male push-ups or girl push-ups? 0.99

00:03:48.000 You pig, I can't believe you would ask me that. 0.99

00:03:50.000 Are you a natural brunette? 1.00

00:03:52.000 Are you a natural jerk? 1.00

00:03:54.000 Okay, that is it. 1.00

00:03:55.000 I'm gonna go get my supervisor.

00:03:56.000 Is your supervisor male or female?

00:03:58.000 Oh, you wait here.

00:04:00.000 You just wait here.

00:04:01.000 Bad girls, bad girls, what you gonna do?

00:04:08.000 What you gonna do when they come for you?

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00:04:25.000 We'll be right back.

00:04:55.000 We'll be right back.

00:05:03.000 Yeah, I know.

00:05:03.000 We kind of stuck the landing right there in the cold open.

00:05:06.000 By the way, just to be clear, I know that Speaker Johnson is on television right now.

00:05:11.000 And, hey, I'm not tossing my lot in with this guy.

00:05:13.000 Just to be clear, before you go rhino, I have consistently said we don't have a taxation problem, we have a spending problem.

00:05:20.000 I get it.

00:05:21.000 I don't want to raise the debt ceiling.

00:05:23.000 I get it.

00:05:24.000 Okay?

00:05:26.000 Rhinos create gridlock. 1.00

00:05:27.000 I get it.

00:05:30.000 But we need to be honest about what is taking place here.

00:05:33.000 And I'll just give you two numbers.

00:05:34.000 We're going to get into the big, beautiful bill.

00:05:36.000 What can be done and what cannot be done through the process of reconciliation versus an annual budget bill.

00:05:43.000 And here's $1.9 trillion over 10 years in cuts with this bill.

00:05:48.000 Is it perfect?

00:05:49.000 No.

00:05:49.000 Is it a start?

00:05:50.000 Yeah.

00:05:50.000 Doge?

00:05:52.000 Everything they've found collectively, $180 billion, only receipts for 30% of it.

00:05:59.000 What's Elon mad about?

00:06:02.000 I think it's pretty self-serving.

00:06:04.000 And I think when people muddy the waters with a self-serving agenda, now it makes it a lot harder to talk about fiscal responsibility in the government.

00:06:11.000 So, let's try and be really objective about this.

00:06:14.000 We're going to discuss also renaming the gay ships from Pete Hegseth. 0.77

00:06:17.000 And today is about gimmickry.

00:06:18.000 It's about fraud.

00:06:19.000 We'll get to Nala Ray speaking at TPUSA at the end of this show.

00:06:24.000 Former, and by former, I mean like a few months ago.

00:06:27.000 Massively famous porn star who will now send you her custom Christian courses.

00:06:32.000 So, let me ask you, where do you line up on this big beautiful bill?

00:06:37.000 Huh?

00:06:38.000 Is it just Rhino and the savior Elon, or is there something in between?

00:06:42.000 It's a weekday show, 11 a.m. Eastern.

00:06:44.000 CEO, Captain Morgan, how are you?

00:06:45.000 I'm well. 0.67

00:06:46.000 Who knew that the least controversial part of the show is the ship named after a pedophile?

00:06:50.000 Yes.

00:06:51.000 Allegedly. 0.97

00:06:52.000 Allegedly pedophile. 0.77

00:06:52.000 Allegedly. 0.77

00:06:53.000 And by that we mean notable gay man who used poppers absolutely a pedophile. 0.99

00:06:57.000 That's what I'm saying. 0.98

00:07:00.000 July 9th at the Funny Bone Comedy Club.

00:07:02.000 Oh, in Hartford, Connecticut.

00:07:04.000 Yeah.

00:07:05.000 Mr. Josh Feierstein.

00:07:06.000 How are you, sir?

00:07:07.000 I'm good.

00:07:07.000 Yeah?

00:07:08.000 Yeah, I'm good.

00:07:09.000 Last time I was in Hartford, the club was River City Steam, and Stuart Scott from ESPN came up to the green room afterwards, and I didn't know who he was because I had just come in from Canada.

00:07:17.000 Oh, what a bummer.

00:07:18.000 That guy's cool. 0.99

00:07:19.000 That sounds like a gay bar. 0.93

00:07:20.000 River City Steam? 0.94

00:07:21.000 I don't know, but they had a good job.

00:07:23.000 Well, we haven't all been there like you, Gerald.

00:07:25.000 I'm just guessing.

00:07:26.000 All right.

00:07:26.000 Hartford, by the way, it sounds really nice.

00:07:28.000 Incredibly violent city.

00:07:29.000 Well, it's technically in Manchester, so it's outside the city.

00:07:33.000 Good for you.

00:07:33.000 You guys can come.

00:07:34.000 It's not dangerous.

00:07:35.000 It's not dangerous at all.

00:07:36.000 It's not dangerous at all.

00:07:36.000 Go show them you love them.

00:07:38.000 We're talking about gimmickry today.

00:07:41.000 Also, let me just issue this caveat.

00:07:42.000 I'm a very, very imperfect Christian, okay, to be clear.

00:07:46.000 As a matter of fact, I keep my faith pretty private, and I encourage you to read your Bible, and I encourage you to seek out authoritative sources and submit yourself to the authority of a church, because I am deathly terrified of leading someone astray.

00:07:59.000 Because I've been a Christian pretty much my whole adult life, and I know that I only know enough to be dangerous. 1.00

00:08:06.000 That's my opinion of myself, and I researched and spent a lot of time.

00:08:09.000 So, before you throw that out there, it's not lost on me that I do naughty things quite often.

00:08:14.000 Alright, speaking of Christian gimmickry, you ever wonder what it's like to go to a crazy church in India? 1.00

00:08:22.000 The answer is no.

00:08:24.000 By the way, this is the Ryobi Church.

00:08:28.000 They're electric.

00:08:29.000 Watch this next one.

00:08:31.000 Not this one.

00:08:32.000 Oh, 40 volts.

00:08:33.000 Oh.

00:08:35.000 Oh, hey.

00:08:36.000 Whoa, hey.

00:08:37.000 That's so clean.

00:08:40.000 These aren't Christians. 0.99

00:08:42.000 That's the Hindu shake. 0.95

00:08:43.000 Yeah.

00:08:43.000 It's hard for me to tell the difference between Bollywood I hate this stuff.

00:08:52.000 Is it a Christian church?

00:08:53.000 No, that's right, it's not.

00:08:54.000 I'm sorry.

00:08:55.000 I love that their clothes are the same color as their food.

00:08:58.000 It's the Church of Jesus in Rajasthan.

00:09:01.000 Is it a Christian church?

00:09:02.000 I don't know.

00:09:03.000 The name is in there.

00:09:04.000 That's about all I know.

00:09:05.000 Well, wait, well, hold on a second.

00:09:08.000 So some of them stand upright and do the pogo?

00:09:10.000 Well, it depends.

00:09:11.000 Is this guy Electro from Spider-Man?

00:09:15.000 Yeah, there's a real problem going on, and we're joking about it.

00:09:17.000 Jeez.

00:09:19.000 This is the thing, too.

00:09:20.000 Hey, we're just having, like, reading the Bible and following the teachings.

00:09:23.000 Why do we got to do this?

00:09:25.000 The guy just watched a couple Benny Hinn videos.

00:09:28.000 It is our fault.

00:09:29.000 And this is the problem with putting people on a platform who haven't grown in their faith yet.

00:09:34.000 We end up with too much gimmickry.

00:09:35.000 It's like, you know what we really need?

00:09:36.000 We need people to move around like fish.

00:09:40.000 We need electricity.

00:09:41.000 They're like, no, no, no.

00:09:42.000 Snake handling's been done.

00:09:43.000 We're doing train handling.

00:09:45.000 That's right.

00:09:46.000 You're not winning.

00:09:47.000 The trains are winning.

00:09:50.000 Looks exhausting.

00:09:51.000 Almost like it could be an Indian workout.

00:09:58.000 What you missed, he was perfectly fine until the guy touched him, and then boom, working.

00:10:01.000 That guy's a deacon.

00:10:06.000 Gosh, I hate those churches.

00:10:09.000 Can we stop this, please?

00:10:10.000 What part of the Bible are you reading when you see that that's normal? 1.00

00:10:13.000 I want to see their communion.

00:10:15.000 What does that involve?

00:10:17.000 Just some guy slap some stuff on a plate?

00:10:19.000 Yeah, I've known it.

00:10:20.000 Did you get it from a street vendor?

00:10:22.000 Yes, exactly.

00:10:23.000 He's making Turkish coffee, and it's hot sand!

00:10:26.000 50 cents.

00:10:27.000 What?

00:10:27.000 I thought communion was free.

00:10:28.000 No, that's the Catholics. 0.82

00:10:29.000 Now.

00:10:32.000 A lot of progress being made across the country.

00:10:34.000 By the way, you can make progress by downloading the Rumble app and following us there.

00:10:38.000 That's the best way to stay in touch.

00:10:39.000 It's a live show, 11 a.m. Eastern.

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00:10:45.000 It's the best way to go.

00:10:47.000 One-stop shop.

00:10:47.000 Let's go to the Navy.

00:10:50.000 Speaking of progress, Secretary of Defense and possibly best hair in the Cabinet.

00:10:55.000 By possibly, I mean absolutely.

00:10:56.000 I think absolutely.

00:10:57.000 Yeah, I'm a little jealous.

00:10:58.000 Pete Hegseth is celebrating Pride Month. 0.96

00:11:01.000 By renaming a Navy ship that was named after alleged pedophile and blatant homosexual Harvey Milk.

00:11:08.000 And Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has ordered the Navy to rename the USNS Harvey Milk.

00:11:14.000 The military vessel was named in honor of the former politician and gay civil rights activist back in 2016 by President Obama.

00:11:21.000 In a statement, a Pentagon spokesman said the renaming under Secretary Hegseth will help highlight the priorities of President Trump.

00:11:27.000 Adding further renamings will be announced following internal reviews.

00:11:32.000 Let's remember who we're talking about here, though.

00:11:34.000 Harvey Milk was a Navy veteran who served in the Korean War, and he was the first openly gay man elected into public office in California.

00:11:41.000 Yeah, all that may be true, but let's be honest, that's not why you're naming the ship after him.

00:11:45.000 There were a lot of Navy veterans who didn't have ships named after him.

00:11:48.000 And you said a less-than-honorable discharge?

00:11:49.000 Yeah, listen, I mean, it's kind of shady because it was about being gay, but... 0.99

00:11:53.000 Let's do a less-than-honorable discharge.

00:11:54.000 It was against the rules then.

00:11:56.000 It was against the rules.

00:11:56.000 And by the way, here's something I know the left has already said, like, you know, did he even think how inconsiderate this was?

00:12:15.000 This is how I celebrate Pride Month.

00:12:17.000 This is destroying it.

00:12:18.000 Take that, village people. 0.99

00:12:20.000 Thank you.

00:12:21.000 And, uh...

00:12:30.000 He said, yeah, yeah, I'm renaming this during Pride Month, and you know what?

00:12:33.000 I'm thinking for next year, Black History Month, I may rename the Harriet Tubman. 0.91

00:12:39.000 And during women's history, he may rename Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the Cesar Chavez, the Thurgood Marshall.

00:12:45.000 He may rename all of them.

00:12:47.000 And you know what?

00:12:48.000 This matters, because history matters.

00:12:50.000 Remember when people were trying to tear the Confederate flags?

00:12:53.000 And by the way, I'm not a Confederate, to be clear.

00:12:55.000 They lost.

00:12:56.000 Okay, great, hooray, North.

00:12:57.000 The point is...

00:13:08.000 Outside of sodomy.

00:13:10.000 So my point is, like, names matter.

00:13:12.000 Don't put that on Harriet Tubman. 0.99

00:13:17.000 They ran an underground train home.

00:13:23.000 The U.S. is getting railroaded.

00:13:25.000 But I think that if you're going to change the name of Harriet Tubman, at least make it a submarine. 0.54

00:13:29.000 Yes, that would make sense.

00:13:31.000 I mean, honestly, let's just do it right on the nose.

00:13:33.000 Name a train after her.

00:13:34.000 Yeah, name a train.

00:13:35.000 And subs typically are what?

00:13:38.000 Color?

00:13:39.000 You should stop.

00:13:41.000 They're typically a dark gray.

00:13:43.000 That's not true. 0.94

00:13:44.000 They're black. 0.74

00:13:47.000 It's not racist to say that subs are black and she was black. 0.96

00:13:51.000 There we go.

00:13:52.000 It was a little racist.

00:13:55.000 Not racist at all.

00:13:57.000 Today, Gerald's a pew boat captain.

00:13:59.000 Ew! 0.98

00:14:00.000 All right.

00:14:01.000 So of course, predictably, So anything that reeks of DEI, any appreciation for a marginal community that has been dissed in American history, that fought hard and more valiantly than Mr. Hexeth can ever imagine to achieve status in this country is now fair game for people to knock off.

00:14:30.000 The Senate secretary should spend his time doing things to keep Americans safe.

00:14:33.000 I don't know why we would be spending money or time and his energy to rename battleships.

00:14:37.000 It just doesn't seem right.

00:14:38.000 The left cares about money now.

00:14:40.000 I don't think that's what the American people want, taxpayer dollars.

00:14:42.000 Why is the defense secretary just picking and choosing based on trying to make statements about specific groups?

00:14:49.000 I'm a black person, you know, you're black person, but I also know who these people are.

00:14:53.000 Why weren't there any conservatives on the list?

00:14:55.000 No, no, hold on a second, finish that.

00:14:57.000 Because I, you know, no we don't. 1.00

00:14:59.000 You're black, therefore you know what all homosexuals think? 1.00

00:15:04.000 That's very opposite of the truth. 1.00

00:15:06.000 It's silly. 0.78

00:15:07.000 This is the idea of intersectionality. 0.98

00:15:09.000 What it really means is everyone's allowed except for white straight males. 0.52

00:15:13.000 Oh, and by the way, white straight legal Hispanic immigrants.

00:15:18.000 You're not included anymore either.

00:15:20.000 That's why they're veering further and further right.

00:15:22.000 By the way, here are some other headlines from Politico.

00:15:25.000 Navy set to rename ship, honoring Harvey Milk in a DEI purge, but then it gets worse.

00:15:29.000 Newsweek.

00:15:29.000 Harvey Milk, Navy ship to be renamed.

00:15:32.000 Vets call it insult to LGBTQ troops.

00:15:35.000 What, vets?

00:15:36.000 Pretty sure no vets said that.

00:15:37.000 Well, maybe they did, but they said it like, dude, it's total insult to LGBT people.

00:15:43.000 They were pro the insult. 1.00

00:15:45.000 I mean, either you're using the term LGBTQ ironically, or you're an asshole. 1.00

00:15:54.000 The advocate wrote, for Pride Month, homophobe Hegseth orders Navy to strip Harvey Milk's name from ship. 1.00

00:16:01.000 And the VA, by the way, has an entire page dedicated to Harvey Milk.

00:16:05.000 It's, don't do what he did, don't get AIDS.

00:16:07.000 Aww.

00:16:09.000 Here's the thing.

00:16:10.000 You guys wanted to strip George Washington and Abraham Lincoln because they were imperfect.

00:16:15.000 Alright?

00:16:16.000 And we've always said you can't judge.

00:16:18.000 People, by today's metrics, people throughout history.

00:16:22.000 And if we're going to do that, Harvey Milk doesn't really come out squeaky clean because he was allegedly a pedophile, right?

00:16:28.000 In the mid-1960s, allegedly, and by allegedly we mean a homosexual in the Bay Area in the 1960s, absolutely had a relationship with a 16-year-old boy.

00:16:36.000 And he was what, like 19?

00:16:38.000 I don't remember how old he was.

00:16:39.000 No, he wasn't.

00:16:40.000 I said that on purpose.

00:16:41.000 It's pederasty.

00:16:43.000 It's pederasty.

00:16:44.000 He's also the reason behind the god-awful Sean Penn movie.

00:16:48.000 Hi, this is Sam!

00:16:51.000 I think that's the wrong one.

00:16:53.000 Yeah, it is the wrong one.

00:16:56.000 We're focusing on Elon because he's very powerful today, and we wanted to button down for that one, where this one kind of slipped under our radar.

00:17:05.000 By the way, this is not the first ship, just to be clear, named after a pedophile.

00:17:09.000 Let's not forget, the only ship known to have decommissioned itself, the notorious USNS Epstein.

00:17:15.000 That one, yep.

00:17:17.000 That's clear as day.

00:17:18.000 No camera footage, yeah.

00:17:20.000 And so I do have a question for you since we're now in the era of renaming things and changing history.

00:17:28.000 After whom do you think the formerly USNS Harvey Milk, after whom should it be renamed?

00:17:33.000 Comment below.

00:17:34.000 I think that's a fair question to ask.

00:17:41.000 Billy the Kid, you alright over there?

00:17:43.000 Yeah.

00:17:44.000 Yeah, I'm alright.

00:17:46.000 What happened to your hand?

00:17:48.000 I lost a bet.

00:17:50.000 I owe a bookie a bunch of money, and he broke my thumbs.

00:17:55.000 That's awful.

00:17:55.000 How much do you owe him?

00:17:57.000 A couple hundred bucks.

00:17:58.000 Billy, you know, if you're having money issues, you could call American Financing.

00:18:02.000 They save people more than that every month.

00:18:03.000 Yeah, we could also talk about that raising.

00:18:07.000 Yeah, but it's like $800 a month, I think, right, Jeff?

00:18:09.000 Yeah, yeah, they save lots of people money on the refinance.

00:18:11.000 On average for mortgages.

00:18:12.000 That's true, they do that.

00:18:13.000 I forgot about them.

00:18:15.000 I'll call him.

00:18:16.000 Okay, good.

00:18:17.000 Great.

00:18:17.000 By the way, so can you.

00:18:18.000 Just call 1-800-974-6500 or go to AmericanFinancing.net slash Crowder to save, what people save on average, $800 a month on your mortgage payments or delay up to two mortgage payments.

00:18:29.000 By the way, NMLS 182334.

00:18:31.000 So...

00:18:34.000 Yeah.

00:18:35.000 We'll have to say that legally.

00:18:36.000 This is part of it.

00:18:37.000 Let's go on to this.

00:18:40.000 This is one of those things that is convoluted out there.

00:18:43.000 And I will tell you this, there is gatekeeping where a lot of people try and make this complicated by design as far as this big, beautiful bill.

00:18:51.000 I am absolutely opposed to increased spending in almost every capacity.

00:18:57.000 Just so you know where I'm coming from.

00:18:59.000 I go back and forth between either a flat income tax or a fair tax.

00:19:03.000 I don't even know if we should have an income tax.

00:19:05.000 That's how close to libertarian I am economically.

00:19:10.000 Fiscally, unbelievably conservative.

00:19:12.000 So I agree, in principle, with the problems that Rand Paul has, to be clear.

00:19:16.000 And I understand the problem with raising the debt ceiling.

00:19:20.000 All right.

00:19:20.000 Let's be clear about it.

00:19:21.000 And I don't like the rhinos out there.

00:19:23.000 But we are going to get into what this big, beautiful bill is, what's in it, what can be done right now.

00:19:31.000 This is not an annual budget bill.

00:19:32.000 It's going through a process of reconciliation.

00:19:34.000 There's a difference between mandatory spending, discretionary spending.

00:19:37.000 What can actually be done right now versus what cannot.

00:19:43.000 In a way, that is final.

00:19:46.000 And I want to ask this.

00:19:49.000 Why is Elon Musk so mad?

00:19:53.000 Huge fan of Doge.

00:19:55.000 Especially as we saw these cuts coming through.

00:19:59.000 Wasn't thrilled with the level of receipts that we actually found, about 30% of the numbers, but couldn't be more on board.

00:20:06.000 But I have to ask you, why is Elon Musk, why is he mad?

00:20:10.000 Why is he buddying up with Jack Dorsey?

00:20:12.000 And why is he going behind the Trump administration's back to the press, which is an underhanded thing to do?

00:20:18.000 And here's the number that really sticks out to me.

00:20:21.000 Elon Musk is mad, saying that this bill has a bunch of pork.

00:20:25.000 That's the reason he's mad, okay?

00:20:26.000 This bill, all references available, link in the description, cuts $1.6 trillion in spending over 10 years.

00:20:34.000 Is it enough?

00:20:35.000 No.

00:20:36.000 Is it a start?

00:20:37.000 Yeah.

00:20:38.000 Doge.

00:20:39.000 All of their proposed cuts, $180 billion.

00:20:42.000 And they've only given us 30% of the receipts for that $180 billion.

00:20:48.000 So $1.6 trillion over 9 or 10 years versus Doge's $180 billion.

00:20:56.000 The cuts proposed here are astronomically more than anything Elon has or could come up with.

00:21:04.000 Why is he mad?

00:21:07.000 Why is he backstabbing the guy who put forward $1.6 trillion in cuts?

00:21:14.000 Can you answer me that?

00:21:15.000 I'll get to it in a little bit.

00:21:17.000 I have my guess with not 30% of receipts, 100% of receipts.

00:21:24.000 Is it on your behalf or is it on Elon Musk's behalf?

00:21:28.000 I think it's fraudulent.

00:21:29.000 I think he's selling you a false bill of goods.

00:21:32.000 I think that you can see that.

00:21:33.000 $180 billion versus $1.6 trillion.

00:21:36.000 It's not even close.

00:21:37.000 Let me get through what this actually is.

00:21:39.000 This is a reconciliation bill.

00:21:41.000 It's not an appropriations bill like an annual budget bill.

00:21:45.000 Here's what can be included in a reconciliation bill.

00:21:51.000 Provisions specifically related to mandatory spending.

00:21:53.000 That's where you can have cuts to entitlements like Medicaid or SNAP, namely the fraud or waste, or things like the work requirements.

00:22:01.000 Here's what cannot be included in the reconciliation bill, which means it would need to be in some kind of an annual budget bill.

00:22:08.000 Provisions that affect discretionary spending.

00:22:10.000 That would be things like a lot of the doge cuts, education.

00:22:15.000 Often the military is included there.

00:22:18.000 Here are some exceptions.

00:22:19.000 According to the reconciliation rules, some military and border spending can be classified as mandatory.

00:22:26.000 So this bill has $150 million allocated for the military and for some very specific projects, to be clear.

00:22:35.000 So Elon Musk, mad that this doesn't go far enough.

00:22:37.000 Doge can't happen here.

00:22:38.000 Would have to happen in an annual budget bill.

00:22:40.000 And even then, the best he can hope for with what he's provided is $180 billion versus $1.6 billion.

00:22:47.000 Trillion.

00:22:48.000 Over ten years with this.

00:22:51.000 Let's get past the theater.

00:22:54.000 What's he mad about?

00:22:56.000 Doesn't that matter?

00:22:58.000 And Stephen Miller, who's been knocking it out of the park, summed this up.

00:23:00.000 He said, one of the bigger points...

00:23:07.000 The lefty CBO says that extending the 2017 tax cuts, meaning preventing their expiration, increases the deficit.

00:23:13.000 Some critics have seen this figure and claimed or implied the bill increases quote spending.

00:23:17.000 Even according to CBO, the bill cuts spending over $1.6 trillion.

00:23:22.000 So when a libertarian like Rand Paul attacks the deficit impact of the bill, they are attacking the tax cut.

00:23:28.000 Of course, honestly accounted, extending current tax rates has zero deficit impact, which is why the bill, because of its spending cuts, reduces the deficit.

00:23:36.000 You can have an argument about that, but he's making a pretty clear case.

00:23:39.000 A second major point of confusion is what's actually in a reconciliation bill.

00:23:43.000 It is not an appropriations bill or a general budget bill.

00:23:45.000 It provides no funding or authorization for 99-plus percent of the operations of government.

00:23:51.000 It has not a single Democrat provision or vote.

00:23:55.000 The bill has three principal sections.

00:23:58.000 Tax cuts, welfare reform, immigration, and border security.

00:24:02.000 He says it's a dream bill.

00:24:04.000 Okay.

00:24:06.000 He's right, though, in what he just listed.

00:24:08.000 And we provide all the sources, the references, every day.

00:24:12.000 So on to the fight that's taking place and the players involved.

00:24:14.000 And it's this sort of weird alliance of Elon Musk, Rand Paul, Thomas Massey, and Jack Dorsey.

00:24:21.000 Yes, that Jack Dorsey who helped deplatform.

00:24:25.000 In support of the deplatforming of the President of the United States, Donald Trump.

00:24:29.000 That's no small thing.

00:24:31.000 It's an odd group.

00:24:32.000 They're just missing a dog in a mystery machine.

00:24:35.000 What?

00:24:37.000 They're like They're like the Scooby-Doo guys.

00:24:41.000 Oh, okay.

00:24:41.000 all right.

00:24:42.000 I was, I needed the reference.

00:24:47.000 Mystery machine is the man.

00:24:48.000 So yesterday, Musk had a On X. He posted, I'm sorry, but I just can't stand it anymore.

00:25:00.000 This massive, outrageous, park-filled congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination.

00:25:07.000 Shame on those who voted for it.

00:25:10.000 You know you did wrong.

00:25:12.000 You know it.

00:25:13.000 So, don't tell, by the way, Sam from HR, that the bill is full of pork.

00:25:18.000 I won't tell him.

00:25:19.000 Just as long as you won't tell him about that breakfast burrito I gave him this morning.

00:25:23.000 Oh no, I lost that.

00:25:25.000 Oh, did you?

00:25:26.000 Yeah.

00:25:26.000 You lost the breakfast burrito?

00:25:27.000 Yeah, I lost the...

00:25:31.000 Oh yeah, I found it there.

00:25:45.000 Oh, hey, Sam.

00:25:46.000 Here.

00:25:47.000 Want a burrito?

00:25:48.000 What?

00:25:48.000 Oh, sure.

00:25:49.000 Yeah.

00:25:50.000 Josh, thank you.

00:25:51.000 Yeah, no problem.

00:25:55.000 Mmm.

00:25:57.000 Josh, that's pretty good, man.

00:25:59.000 A little salty and something I can't describe.

00:26:02.000 really good in this thing.

00:26:08.000 So, uh, yeah, I won't tell him.

00:26:10.000 Once you go bacon, yeah.

00:26:12.000 No, he's full of pork, so.

00:26:14.000 Elon went on on Twitter saying, in November next year, we fire all politicians who betrayed the American people. 0.74

00:26:20.000 Let me ask you this.

00:26:22.000 Would you feel betrayed if this bill included a massive electric vehicle tax credit?

00:26:28.000 Is that what you voted for?

00:26:30.000 We'll get to that.

00:26:31.000 So he was echoed by people like Rand Paul, Thomas Massey, and Jack Dorsey.

00:26:39.000 Jack Dorsey saying a Rand Paul Thomas Massey ticket.

00:26:46.000 And just to be clear, this is the same Jack Dorsey, I want to make sure they have this here, who supported, who supported, yeah, it's overlay E7, the banning of Trump from Twitter in 2021.

00:26:58.000 He said, we made a decision with the best information we had based on threats to physical safety both on and off Twitter.

00:27:04.000 This is a guy who supported the mass deplatforming.

00:27:07.000 So, it's interesting that we talk about betrayal.

00:27:09.000 And I don't mean that you have to treat someone as a god king.

00:27:11.000 But if you look at the ulterior motives here, it would seem pretty...

00:27:28.000 Well, a massive amount of personal wealth and electric vehicle tax credit and Starlink contract.

00:27:34.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:27:35.000 You don't have to back up God King, but Musk and Dorsey kind of on the same team.

00:27:40.000 I mean, one guy exposed the other guy for the Twitter files.

00:27:43.000 Yeah, pretty much.

00:27:45.000 Really, I'm trying to make sense of it, and we'll get to Rand Paul in just a second.

00:27:48.000 I can understand Rand Paul's position.

00:27:49.000 I do not, in any way, right now, understand Elon Musk's position.

00:27:53.000 And it goes to the point the numbers obviously don't add up, but also he's saying this is a pork-infested bill.

00:27:58.000 I think Rand Paul made the point later on that there's about $300 billion in increased spending.

00:28:02.000 Over 10 years.

00:28:04.000 And that the majority of the debt ceiling increase is going to come from potentially the tax cuts.

00:28:08.000 According to the CBO.

00:28:08.000 According to the CBO, right?

00:28:10.000 So that if this was a spending bill that had a bunch of pork spending in it, I would understand Elon Musk's criticism because we do have a very high debt.

00:28:18.000 Got it.

00:28:19.000 And it adds to the deficit.

00:28:20.000 Fine.

00:28:20.000 Got it.

00:28:21.000 But I don't see that in this bill.

00:28:22.000 So it makes me go like, what the hell are you really arguing about?

00:28:25.000 Yeah.

00:28:25.000 Also, it can't be done.

00:28:26.000 And I don't trust you.

00:28:27.000 Also, it can't be done.

00:28:28.000 Yeah.

00:28:28.000 That's also, at the end of the day, it can't be done.

00:28:30.000 That has to go to an annual budget bill. 1.00

00:28:31.000 Elon, do you believe Elon Musk is a stupid person? 1.00

00:28:33.000 I don't. 1.00

00:28:33.000 No, no. 1.00

00:28:34.000 He knows that this, well, these doge cuts would have to go to the annual budget bill.

00:28:39.000 He knows that.

00:28:41.000 Anyway, going to Rand Paul, because I want to spend some time on Elon and Jack Dorsey.

00:28:44.000 Yeah.

00:28:45.000 He was on a warpath yesterday.

00:28:46.000 And again, I probably align most with Rand Paul, probably more with him than any other representative in our government.

00:28:54.000 And even I find him slightly irritating.

00:28:56.000 And he's been on the show like five times.

00:28:57.000 Here he is bashing the bill.

00:28:58.000 We can still be friends and have a disagreement.

00:29:01.000 But to put things in perspective, the bill increases spending for the military and for border over $300 billion.

00:29:09.000 The doge cuts, which aren't in this bill, Pause.

00:29:13.000 So, one thing, and I get what he's saying there, but remember, we had record number of crossings and apprehensions under Biden.

00:29:23.000 Record, as far as all of American history, and now record low.

00:29:26.000 Now, could there be some pork in there as far as giving bonuses out to ICE agents for simply doing their job?

00:29:31.000 Sure, we can be opposed to that.

00:29:32.000 But the idea that we went through record border crossings and we would spend nothing to shore up our border.

00:29:40.000 Let me ask you, is that what you voted for?

00:29:42.000 I don't think so, but let's continue.

00:29:44.000 $200 billion.

00:29:46.000 So this bill actually increases in the first couple of years, spending more than all the doge cuts combined.

00:29:52.000 I actually accept that cutting taxes can grow revenue.

00:29:55.000 I believe it happened under Reagan.

00:29:56.000 I believe it happened under the first Trump term.

00:29:59.000 And I supported the tax cuts.

00:30:00.000 In the first term, I still support them.

00:30:02.000 I support making them permanent, and I do believe they will bring in more revenue than the CBO projects.

00:30:08.000 My objection to the bill isn't about the tax cuts, and it isn't about those calculations.

00:30:13.000 My objection to the bill is they're going to raise the debt ceiling more than they ever have, $5 trillion, and that this will be the largest increase in the debt ceiling ever.

00:30:25.000 And if the Republicans all vote for it, the Republicans will own the debt.

00:30:31.000 Go ahead, Joe.

00:30:31.000 I don't agree with...

00:30:39.000 That is absolute crap. 0.99

00:30:40.000 Republicans have voted to raise the debt ceiling before many, many times. 0.99

00:30:44.000 To say that all of a sudden Republicans are going to own this debt and have a problem politically, it's disingenuous.

00:30:51.000 I'm sorry, that is the part of this where I'm like, he is being disingenuous here.

00:30:54.000 On the other side of it, the CBO is saying the tax cuts are the reason for, I guess, the necessity of raising the debt limit.

00:31:00.000 So, it's really hard to be for the tax cuts and against raising the debt ceiling in the same breath.

00:31:07.000 Though, throughout his career, he has been very consistent.

00:31:10.000 He wants to cut spending.

00:31:11.000 I get it.

00:31:12.000 That's a 60-vote bill that you're going to have to pass.

00:31:14.000 This is a 50-vote bill.

00:31:16.000 So, just say, I just don't want to raise the debt ceiling, period.

00:31:19.000 Whatever that means, because that could mean the tax cuts go away.

00:31:22.000 Right.

00:31:22.000 And by the way, it's extending tax cuts.

00:31:24.000 This is not implementing new ones, to be clear.

00:31:25.000 Right, and he was for that.

00:31:26.000 I get it, but Stephen Miller makes a great point.

00:31:28.000 You can't, it's all because of the tax cuts according to the CBO.

00:31:33.000 Right.

00:31:33.000 So you have to make a different argument, in my opinion, to be consistent.

00:31:36.000 So how do you end up with Elon?

00:31:37.000 In other words, he was on, you know, he gave, I believe, over $200 million of his own fortune to, in one way or another, the President Trump campaign.

00:31:46.000 And now he's not only buddies with Massey or in bed with Massey and Rand Paul, who, by the way, you could be in worse company.

00:31:52.000 But Jack Dorsey while decrying betrayal.

00:31:59.000 That seems a little bit odd to me, and I think that Massey and Paul are making a principled stand.

00:32:07.000 That's my opinion.

00:32:08.000 I think that Elon stands to gain a lot personally.

00:32:11.000 Here's actually a report from Axios, and it's their White House reporter, Mark Caputo.

00:32:16.000 He wrote an article that Elon was butthurt for four reasons.

00:32:21.000 Now, I know that this is a report from a White House source, but this person is usually relatively reliable, and some of these can be publicly fact-checked.

00:32:30.000 So, reason number one.

00:32:32.000 This legislation cut electric vehicle tax credits.

00:32:37.000 So, there's a termination of this previously owned clean vehicle credit.

00:32:41.000 It was like a $4,000 credit.

00:32:44.000 This bill terminates another clean vehicle credit.

00:32:48.000 It's like $7,500.

00:32:51.000 Qualified commercial clean vehicle.

00:32:54.000 Credits in clean, of course.

00:32:55.000 Obviously, we're talking about electric.

00:32:57.000 We're talking about green.

00:32:59.000 And Tesla lobbied heavily to keep these.

00:33:03.000 So, to give you an idea, J.P. Morgan's Ryan Brinkman gave an estimate that Trump's bill would decrease Tesla's earnings by 52%. 0.92

00:33:11.000 Holy crap!

00:33:13.000 And keep in mind that Elon Musk, think about it, he's a guy who's created businesses. 0.98

00:33:17.000 He didn't invent the electric car.

00:33:19.000 He's done more for electric vehicles than anyone else, and I think Teslas are pretty damn cool.

00:33:22.000 They're good to have to me as a second vehicle if you want to.

00:33:25.000 Primary vehicle, gasoline, but I have no problem with Teslas.

00:33:28.000 But he stepped into businesses that he knew.

00:33:32.000 If you look where he has decided to invest, he knows will result in giant government contracts, subsidies, and tax credits.

00:33:41.000 Electric vehicles, space exploration, AI.

00:33:47.000 Right?

00:33:48.000 These are the industries he has chosen, and every single one of them involves the necessity of government favoritism.

00:33:56.000 Jeez, 52% drop in earnings?

00:33:58.000 That's insane.

00:33:59.000 Reason number two.

00:34:00.000 Again, $1.6 trillion cut over 10 years versus his proposed $180 billion, right, Doge, only 30% of which has receipts.

00:34:08.000 Why is he mad?

00:34:09.000 Why is he butting up with Jack Dorsey?

00:34:10.000 Musk wanted the FAA to use Starlink, but...

00:34:18.000 They cited technical reasons, but also, you know, potentially a conflict of interest.

00:34:21.000 That would be reason number two he's met.

00:34:23.000 Trump withdrew the nomination of Jared Isaacman for NASA administrator.

00:34:28.000 When the nomination was withdrawn, Musk publicly wrote on X, it is rare to find someone so competent and good-hearted.

00:34:34.000 He was upset about it.

00:34:36.000 Allegedly, he also wanted to retain his position at the White House, but he was denied.

00:34:40.000 And here's another one that I can't confirm.

00:34:44.000 But might explain the Jack Dorsey connection.

00:34:47.000 Elon Musk is very much supportive of the idea that AI shouldn't have to deal with IP.

00:34:54.000 And that's a big libertarian talking point.

00:34:56.000 There is a push for AI, not just to help you with your tasks, but for AI to be able to aggregate, assimilate, and then distribute and profit.

00:35:04.000 Off of all other original content.

00:35:07.000 You write a book, it can now be AI's book.

00:35:09.000 You create a video, it can now be AI.

00:35:11.000 In other words, intellectual property goes away, which would seem to make sense for a man like Elon Musk, whose company is the only one allowed in China, according to the CCP, as a foreign entity.

00:35:23.000 You know who else supports the idea of AI?

00:35:27.000 Being able to effectively demolish the idea of intellectual property?

00:35:31.000 Well, Jack Dorsey.

00:35:33.000 So it's not just a connection that Dorsey supported banning Trump from Twitter.

00:35:39.000 There are a lot of reasons, and it doesn't seem like those reasons would be looking out for the United States of America.

00:35:43.000 Also, you know that Jack Dorsey did a lot of bidding for China, right?

00:35:47.000 You guys know that, right?

00:35:48.000 Remember that during COVID?

00:35:50.000 Remember Taiwan?

00:35:51.000 Fiasco?

00:35:52.000 Remember what was going on?

00:35:52.000 Remember the WHO?

00:35:54.000 Remember people being banned?

00:35:56.000 Remember, even John Cena had to make a silly apology for releasing Gizmo out there in China?

00:36:01.000 That was going on where Jack Doris said, well, we're going to follow the rules of these governments.

00:36:05.000 Why?

00:36:05.000 Because they wanted to have an inroad there.

00:36:08.000 So now we see Elon saying that this is a betrayal to the American people.

00:36:11.000 Again, $1.6 trillion in cuts versus all of Doge, $180 billion.

00:36:15.000 By the way, I'd like both.

00:36:16.000 Yes.

00:36:17.000 I'd like even more.

00:36:18.000 I'd like Doge to find the $1 trillion they promised.

00:36:20.000 Yes.

00:36:20.000 Keep going, Doge.

00:36:21.000 Which brings us to, we may like him, may not like him.

00:36:24.000 Makes a valid point.

00:36:25.000 Steve Bannon went to blame the entire genesis of the bill on Elon.

00:36:32.000 The reason, if the big, beautiful bill's got all these problems and it has some issues, he drove it because he promised a trillion dollars, ladies and gentlemen, one trillion dollars that got him off the hook.

00:36:42.000 It's time for everybody to grow up, run around, oh, show me where it is.

00:36:46.000 The rescission next week is nine billion dollars and two billion, folks, is PBS and NPR.

00:36:52.000 Give me a break.

00:36:52.000 Didn't need Doge for that.

00:36:54.000 Been fighting for that one forever.

00:36:55.000 There's $7 billion in there, supposedly, of, I don't know, fraud.

00:36:59.000 On a $7 trillion, he committed to the President of the United States $1 trillion.

00:37:04.000 That's where the Wall Street Journal article the other day said, the President said, hey, is this all BS?

00:37:12.000 So, okay, that could just be conjecture.

00:37:16.000 Unless Elon did actually suggest on the record that Doge would find at least $1 trillion in savings.

00:37:22.000 Savings at this point exceed $4 billion a day.

00:37:25.000 So it's very significant.

00:37:28.000 You think you'll wind up getting to $1 trillion?

00:37:30.000 Yeah.

00:37:31.000 In savings?

00:37:32.000 I mean, unless we're stopped, we're...

00:37:35.000 The number now, $180 billion.

00:37:41.000 Receipts for 30% of that.

00:37:44.000 Big, beautiful bill will cut $1.6 trillion in mandatory spending over the next decade. 0.97

00:37:52.000 Again, on its face, Elon promised a trillion in savings, delivered a fraction of that, and is now saying that it's betrayal for anyone to vote for or support a bill that will cut $1.6 trillion.

00:38:09.000 Elon's promised $1 trillion, delivered at best $180 billion.

00:38:14.000 Bill would be $1.6 trillion.

00:38:16.000 That's betrayal.

00:38:18.000 All he goes out and does is publicly and sides with people who, We're involved with the prosecution, tarring and feathering of the man who graciously gave him the position at Doge, Donald Trump.

00:38:31.000 Jack Dorsey was happy to see that man go through hell.

00:38:34.000 I guess they really think that he'll have all the power in the universe.

00:38:53.000 Yeah.

00:38:53.000 Also, by the way, um, this is the guy who did do, He's capitulated as opposed to, you know, I will pat him on the back because he...

00:39:10.000 So he's been wrong on a lot of issues and Hey, hold on a second.

00:39:13.000 If we're talking about cutting spending, how could you push for a...

00:39:22.000 I mean, really?

00:39:23.000 You think the taxpayers want that?

00:39:24.000 Because, hey, if it's a tax credit, I mean, someone else is also on the hook for it.

00:39:29.000 And I understand that other electric vehicles get it, and Tesla doesn't because they've been successful.

00:39:34.000 I think it's over 200,000 or over 250,000.

00:39:36.000 How about no?

00:39:38.000 How about no subsidies for any vehicles?

00:39:41.000 How about Americans buy the vehicles they want?

00:39:43.000 You know, the people who voted for Donald Trump.

00:39:46.000 And here's the thing, Donald Trump did promise this.

00:39:49.000 Do you remember that?

00:39:50.000 Someone can bring that mission control for later in the show.

00:39:52.000 Remember he said, he likes electric vehicles, but we like gas.

00:39:56.000 They're fine, they're fine, but we're going to have great gas vehicles. 0.99

00:40:01.000 And I think that Elon Musk was staged that going, oh shit. 0.98

00:40:05.000 And like I said, I don't really understand his argument here. 0.96

00:40:07.000 I just want to clarify something.

00:40:09.000 To try to compare apples to apples, we did 10 years on this bill because that's how the CBO is going to score it is over 10 years.

00:40:14.000 We did 10 years on the Doge thing as well.

00:40:16.000 I think there's about $158 billion right now, but if you put it out over a 10-year period, they say it comes out to about, I'm sorry, over an annual period.

00:40:23.000 It's like $15 billion plus a year.

00:40:26.000 So we kind of plus it up.

00:40:27.000 So $18 billion, $180 billion.

00:40:29.000 That's kind of a generous number right now, but double it.

00:40:31.000 Okay, triple it.

00:40:32.000 We're still not where they should go to.

00:40:33.000 You're talking about Doge.

00:40:34.000 Yeah.

00:40:35.000 Doge, $180 billion.

00:40:36.000 If you annualize the savings, it would be $15 billion or so, compared to $1.9 trillion over 10 years.

00:40:42.000 $1.6 trillion.

00:40:43.000 Sorry, $1.6 trillion.

00:40:44.000 Yes.

00:40:44.000 Sixes and nines look the same to me.

00:40:45.000 They do to you.

00:40:46.000 I forgot about that.

00:40:47.000 You said it earlier.

00:40:48.000 It's a weird six and nine dyslexia.

00:40:49.000 So that's my whole point to this, is that Elon Musk is a very smart man.

00:40:52.000 He could make a great argument as to why, because there's a lot more characters you can use on X than what you posted.

00:40:58.000 You just said it has a lot of pork in it.

00:41:00.000 Help me understand.

00:41:02.000 What you're trying to say.

00:41:03.000 Like, this would be a great time to make the argument for specifically what in the bill you don't like.

00:41:07.000 That's why I can understand Rand Paul's argument, even though I might disagree with it.

00:41:11.000 He says, just don't increase the debt ceiling so that we don't have more and more and more debt.

00:41:17.000 Endless debt because it's higher.

00:41:18.000 And his real point is the House came in at 4 trillion increase.

00:41:20.000 The Senate said, no, no, no, no, no. 5 trillion increase in the debt ceiling.

00:41:24.000 He's even making fun of his colleagues.

00:41:26.000 That's fine.

00:41:26.000 It's a principled stand.

00:41:27.000 I understand it.

00:41:29.000 Elon's, I have no idea what he's trying to say.

00:41:32.000 No idea whatsoever.

00:41:33.000 Because what happens right now, and by the way, I understand the problems with it.

00:41:37.000 I get the problems with the idea of increased spending.

00:41:40.000 But this is not like the Obama administration.

00:41:41.000 This is not even close.

00:41:42.000 This is not like his omnibus.

00:41:44.000 Remember his package that he brought in?

00:41:45.000 And I think that was done through reconciliation in 2009.

00:41:47.000 It was unprecedented.

00:41:49.000 So you can say more of the same, sure.

00:41:52.000 But there's a lot that's not more of the same.

00:41:55.000 And I'm not going to, we have some people out there who are trying to defend Donald Trump who also don't like Trump.

00:42:02.000 No, Levitt and Donald Trump said this is his big, beautiful bill.

00:42:06.000 So he owns it.

00:42:07.000 Let's compare that.

00:42:09.000 Let's say you don't support everything in there, but let's go through, okay, the question being asked is, is this what you voted for?

00:42:15.000 Let me ask you.

00:42:16.000 Increase in border security and deportations.

00:42:19.000 Is that what you voted for?

00:42:22.000 Okay.

00:42:23.000 Maybe not.

00:42:24.000 Increase in military spending like the Golden Dome.

00:42:28.000 All right.

00:42:29.000 What about extending the tax cuts?

00:42:31.000 Which benefits everyone, including middle class families.

00:42:34.000 Do you want that?

00:42:36.000 People are saying, what did you vote for?

00:42:38.000 1.6 trillion cut over 10 years.

00:42:41.000 What did you vote for?

00:42:43.000 When you voted for this administration, were you thinking of extending massive electric vehicle tax credits?

00:42:50.000 Did you vote for specifically FAA to issue potentially a no-bid contract to Starlink?

00:42:56.000 Was that on your top?

00:43:02.000 Were you thinking about who should be the NASA administrator?

00:43:04.000 Which, by the way, of course, Elon Musk would have a vested interest considering he's also involved in space exploration.

00:43:09.000 So if people are saying this isn't what you voted for, it's a betrayal, I think it's pretty tough for Elon Musk to make the case that it's a betrayal for any measure of spending cuts, especially when it outpaces Doge.

00:43:21.000 While asking for massive tax credits for electric vehicles to benefit his business that is predicated, by the way, on new green energy.

00:43:31.000 That's the only reason those tax credits exist.

00:43:34.000 Is that what you voted for?

00:43:36.000 Did you vote for Greta Thunberg? 0.99

00:43:40.000 Don't bullshit me. 0.99

00:43:46.000 Elon's done a lot of good. 0.97

00:43:47.000 It's been largely ineffectual as far as Doge because we don't have the receipts.

00:43:51.000 It's been nowhere near what he promised, but I'm still on board with it.

00:43:55.000 And if the spirit of Doge continues and there are more cuts, great.

00:43:59.000 I would like to see, to be clear, tax cuts and spending cuts across the board outside of absolute necessity.

00:44:09.000 To me, strong military and being able to secure our borders.

00:44:14.000 It falls amongst that.

00:44:15.000 Yes, and deport people. 0.57

00:44:16.000 That costs a little bit of money as well.

00:44:18.000 So let's just look at what reality really is right now.

00:44:20.000 You have a bill that's a reconciliation bill that needs 50 votes.

00:44:24.000 Well, 51, right?

00:44:25.000 But even 50-50, good old J.D. Vance can go in there and break the tie.

00:44:28.000 Yeah.

00:44:28.000 Right?

00:44:29.000 That's fantastic.

00:44:32.000 We don't have any Democrat votes.

00:44:33.000 We don't have any Democrat policies in here.

00:44:36.000 That all goes away the minute you introduce a budget bill.

00:44:40.000 Right.

00:44:41.000 Because you need 60 votes.

00:44:42.000 Which means you're going to have to go and give people some stuff.

00:44:45.000 So, debt ceiling increase?

00:44:46.000 If you just push that, like Rand Paul wants to do right now, if you just push that to a separate bill, 60 votes.

00:44:52.000 What will you have to give up to get the 60 votes?

00:44:56.000 In which case you lose Paul and Massey anyway.

00:44:59.000 You lose Paul and Massey anyway, and so guess what you have to do?

00:45:01.000 You have to give up more to get more Democrats to vote for the bill.

00:45:05.000 This is a very good way of getting this done.

00:45:08.000 Unless, of course, you think the debt ceiling is never going to be raised again.

00:45:12.000 Is that really the plan right now?

00:45:13.000 Defaulting on the U.S. debt?

00:45:15.000 Essentially?

00:45:16.000 I don't really think it is.

00:45:17.000 And that's why I think it's really disingenuous to go out, not just Paul and all these guys, and not make a very clear argument as to why it has to be done your way on this.

00:45:28.000 They're not accounting for the 60 vote thing.

00:45:30.000 They're not accounting for what we'll have to give up for Democrats.

00:45:32.000 What are we going to have to cut?

00:45:33.000 Yeah.

00:45:33.000 Do Democrats have any good ideas right now that we're willing to accept so that we can get a debt limit increase?

00:45:38.000 Because they'll bend us over a barrel and just blame us.

00:45:40.000 Be like, you're in control of Congress and sit in the White House.

00:45:42.000 Right.

00:45:42.000 And you couldn't pass the debt ceiling increase.

00:45:44.000 You know how this plays out.

00:45:45.000 Why play directly into their hand?

00:45:47.000 Pass this bill and then get the spending cuts you want in another bill because it's not going to happen any other way.

00:45:54.000 You're only going to lose more if you push this out into a separate bill.

00:45:57.000 And by the way, why doesn't the balancing the budget including, why doesn't it include?

00:46:02.000 The tax revenue that'll be generated by removing the credits for electric vehicles.

00:46:07.000 Hey! 0.99

00:46:07.000 I like it. 0.99

00:46:08.000 There you go.

00:46:09.000 Let's do it.

00:46:10.000 Right?

00:46:11.000 Right?

00:46:13.000 I don't know.

00:46:13.000 That's just me, Mr. Traditional.

00:46:16.000 But I'm not a huge fan of what I'm seeing out there.

00:46:19.000 And you know what?

00:46:19.000 If you guys...

00:46:22.000 We know this.

00:46:25.000 I know this video won't be seen on X. I'll put it that way.

00:46:30.000 Why?

00:46:32.000 You think it's chance that Ashley Sinclair, his baby mama, was making, was it $25,000 to $30,000 a month off of X?

00:46:39.000 And people have done it their entire, not just me, we're making like $40.

00:46:44.000 Rumble creators don't get views on X. He's not a free speech guy.

00:46:48.000 But that has nothing to do with it.

00:46:50.000 But I know this won't be seen on X, so if you're watching, hey, and if you want us to be able to continue to be objective, I like Chris Pavlovsky at Rumble.

00:46:57.000 I think he's great.

00:46:58.000 I usually like Elon Musk with some of the things that he's done, but I think the mask has come off a little bit.

00:47:04.000 Consider joining Rumble Premium for a completely ad-free experience for not only exclusive content, but all of this goes away.

00:47:11.000 This is why we're able to do this and not have to be beholden to any other outside sources apart from you.

00:47:19.000 $99 a year or $9.99 a month, you get this hand-etched mug if you join annually.

00:47:24.000 All of this goes away.

00:47:25.000 And we're very, very grateful to be able to serve you and not have to worry about the fact that this will get four plays on X. That's true.

00:47:33.000 We don't have a debt ceiling increase either.

00:47:35.000 So we're good.

00:47:36.000 No, no.

00:47:36.000 Really quickly, we do have the clip for you of Donald Trump talking about cutting the EV credits.

00:47:42.000 Oh, okay.

00:47:42.000 So if you want to.

00:47:43.000 Yeah.

00:47:44.000 I'm a big fan of electric cars.

00:47:47.000 I'm a fan of Elon.

00:47:48.000 I like Elon.

00:47:49.000 But, you know, I like him.

00:47:52.000 And I think a lot of people are going to want to buy electric cars, but if you want to buy a different type of car, you have to have a choice.

00:47:58.000 Oh, that's probably not the best.

00:48:00.000 Yeah, he said, well, I guess.

00:48:06.000 Yeah.

00:48:07.000 All right.

00:48:08.000 All right.

00:48:10.000 We're getting out of budget issues. 0.92

00:48:11.000 Let's go to pornography. 0.91

00:48:12.000 What?

00:48:14.000 Finally.

00:48:14.000 Definitely not in the budget.

00:48:15.000 We're talking about Oh, boy.

00:48:23.000 All right.

00:48:25.000 We're talking about gimmickry, and we're talking about authenticity and sincerity.

00:48:28.000 Just like I had to say.

00:48:29.000 We're done talking about actually Sinclair.

00:48:32.000 Come on, come on. 0.99

00:48:33.000 Cheat crater.

00:48:35.000 Yeah.

00:48:36.000 I get it.

00:48:37.000 And by the way, before anyone throws out, like I said.

00:48:39.000 Very imperfect Christian. 1.00

00:48:40.000 Right.

00:48:41.000 Okay.

00:48:41.000 Very imperfect Christian.

00:48:42.000 Before anyone throws out, you ever looked at porn? 0.99

00:48:44.000 Of course.

00:48:45.000 I'm a man who was born in 1987 and came into the age of the internet when there were no pop-up blockers.

00:48:51.000 All right?

00:48:51.000 Just stop.

00:48:52.000 So that brings us to this question is, should people who have engaged in subverting America That's the question.

00:49:15.000 And then it comes down to, okay, how do you make that judgment?

00:49:19.000 Are we allowed to make judgments?

00:49:22.000 So former OnlyFans and human friction doll Nala Ray is going to be speaking at TPUSA's Young Women's Leadership Summit. 0.51

00:49:33.000 Later this month.

00:49:34.000 Now, look, of course, it's not like Christians, forgiveness, of course you want people to come into the fold. 0.62

00:49:41.000 I've got it, okay?

00:49:42.000 And after making millions of dollars in sex work, she turned to Christianity in 2023. 1.00

00:49:48.000 Okay, great.

00:49:49.000 Here's the thing.

00:49:51.000 Can someone come in and sit in class?

00:49:53.000 Is it okay to say, yeah, yeah, you're welcome in the class.

00:49:55.000 Yeah, you're welcome in the church.

00:49:57.000 You can't teach it.

00:49:59.000 You're not welcome on the podium. 0.98

00:50:01.000 We're certainly not going to put you in a position of leadership on account of the fact that you made all of your fortune through prostitution. 1.00

00:50:09.000 This happened, by the way, with Kanye West.

00:50:11.000 Remember when he came up with his gospel?

00:50:11.000 We did an entire segment on it.

00:50:12.000 We said, hey, that's great.

00:50:14.000 I hope his conversion is genuine.

00:50:15.000 I think he has some good gospel songs on his album.

00:50:17.000 Probably shouldn't be leading church.

00:50:20.000 And you guys heard his recent banger.

00:50:23.000 Now he's hailing Hitler with a group of his church.

00:50:26.000 Yes, exactly.

00:50:27.000 We can't say.

00:50:28.000 And so now you're looking at, you know, when people talk about, hey, conservative influencers with the young generation, and TPUSA has a very strong college presence, and they have a lot of female representatives who are at these colleges, Nala Ray is going to be speaking.

00:50:42.000 So, is that a prudent decision because some people have had a discussion about this?

00:50:47.000 Again, welcome to one of the fold, doesn't make them a teacher.

00:50:50.000 So now we have to say, okay, is this a good idea?

00:50:53.000 And it...

00:51:02.000 I'll ask you this.

00:51:03.000 Let me frame this really simply.

00:51:04.000 What bad can possibly come from a new convert? 1.00

00:51:09.000 If you're even remotely skeptical, what bad can possibly come from saying, hey, you're welcome, come on in, submit yourself to the authority of a church, take some lessons here, immerse yourself in theology, be silent, and let's see where this goes.

00:51:24.000 What bad can possibly come from that?

00:51:26.000 What good can possibly come from, you were gangbanging last week?

00:51:32.000 Come here and preach a sermon or teach a course.

00:51:35.000 What bad can come from the first?

00:51:37.000 What good can come from the second?

00:51:38.000 Because I'm telling you, this mistake has been made many, many, many times.

00:51:41.000 So, is Nala Ray sincere?

00:51:44.000 Well, we have to go to the tail of the tape. 0.88

00:51:45.000 And concerning is that she has told you that she specifically lies her ass off just to grow her brand.

00:51:53.000 As a viral creator on OnlyFans, like when I was on OnlyFans about eight, nine months ago, I went on so many podcasts because I knew the only way to grow my OnlyFans was to be viral.

00:52:04.000 And it's such an oversaturated platform right now.

00:52:08.000 And I've been on it for like five and a half years.

00:52:12.000 Everything I've said on podcasts is complete clickbait.

00:52:16.000 I did it to go viral to then make money.

00:52:19.000 And so many people believed it.

00:52:20.000 Like, so for me, I made up this complete character that everyone believed in.

00:52:26.000 And everyone was like, I was very controversial to people.

00:52:29.000 And I was very, like, some people really, really liked me.

00:52:32.000 But at the end of the day, social media is just fake news.

00:52:36.000 Wait, so you basically lied about everything?

00:52:38.000 Yeah, pretty much.

00:52:41.000 It's cute.

00:52:42.000 Funny.

00:52:42.000 How do we know...

00:52:46.000 How do we know she's genuine now?

00:52:49.000 It's not the same as saying, hey, I was wrong.

00:52:51.000 Someone saying, well, I was just lying.

00:52:53.000 That was how I was going to build a career.

00:52:55.000 I knew I was lying, and I lied.

00:52:57.000 And now you go, well, how do we know you're not lying now?

00:52:59.000 Oh, I'm not, but you just said that you lie.

00:53:01.000 That's very different because you've set it up acknowledging that you lie, and it's especially on issues of spiritual Is that fair?

00:53:14.000 And so now we can go to, okay, does it seem like she is still lying?

00:53:19.000 Because she said that's what she does.

00:53:21.000 Some alarm bells that go off.

00:53:24.000 And again, I hope that her conversion is genuine and she is welcome and the church would have a conversation with her.

00:53:29.000 Very different from a situation of leadership.

00:53:32.000 Here she is.

00:53:34.000 We've already found some pretty significant lies since the conversion immediately.

00:53:37.000 Here she is telling Rachel Wilson on that whatever podcast that she's never started a ministry.

00:53:43.000 How does church history make you safe?

00:53:46.000 How does church history make you safe?

00:53:48.000 You quit OF and started a ministry, and now you're out here teaching people I never started a ministry.

00:53:55.000 Then why are you on here correcting people about theology?

00:53:58.000 What, your husband?

00:53:59.000 You don't know the first thing about it?

00:54:00.000 Your husband who's calling me names?

00:54:02.000 You're mad at me for correcting your husband who's calling me names and saying I'm not a Christian?

00:54:08.000 That also, he was saying that you shouldn't be defending the prostitution as permissible by saying it's not prostitution.

00:54:14.000 So, okay, I've never started a ministry.

00:54:24.000 Oh boy.

00:54:24.000 Is that a ministry or is that a business?

00:54:26.000 Yeah, for 15 to $50 a month, gotta keep those monthly subscriptions coming in.

00:54:31.000 Can I just read the words?

00:54:32.000 Oh, nice model.

00:54:32.000 Yeah, read the words.

00:54:33.000 Founded by Nala Ray and Jordan Giordano, this ministry...

00:54:37.000 Oh! 0.60

00:54:38.000 Oh! 0.60

00:54:38.000 No. 0.60

00:54:39.000 No.

00:54:40.000 Ah!

00:54:43.000 So hold on a second.

00:54:44.000 Hold on a second.

00:54:45.000 I lied to get ahead.

00:54:47.000 I lied to trick, because guys are easy to trick.

00:54:49.000 I lied.

00:54:49.000 Yeah.

00:54:50.000 Okay.

00:54:50.000 Are you lying now?

00:54:52.000 No.

00:54:52.000 I've never started a ministry.

00:54:53.000 On your website.

00:54:54.000 Hey, look at our ministry.

00:54:55.000 You can join it for $15 to $50 a month.

00:54:58.000 TPUSA says, lead our young women, sweetheart.

00:55:01.000 Is it brand new?

00:55:02.000 Because that video is from November.

00:55:04.000 Were you planning to start a ministry?

00:55:06.000 She immediately started selling merch.

00:55:07.000 The moment she became a Christian, profit. 1.00

00:55:11.000 Profit off sex. 1.00

00:55:13.000 Profit off Christians. 1.00

00:55:14.000 I don't go to church.

00:55:16.000 Does it cost money to join a ministry, typically?

00:55:19.000 No.

00:55:20.000 Not typically.

00:55:21.000 I've been to church before, and they didn't charge me anything.

00:55:24.000 There wasn't a cover.

00:55:25.000 I mean, you can buy books, or you can pay for the materials in a class at church sometimes.

00:55:29.000 Sure, but she's charging a fee for her ministry? 1.00

00:55:32.000 That sounds like a cover charge when you go into the church.

00:55:35.000 Right.

00:55:36.000 Like they're checking IDs and giving you MDMA.

00:55:39.000 Yes. 0.98

00:55:41.000 You end up doing porn.

00:55:42.000 I want to skip the next clip and go to the ASMR one.

00:55:45.000 So, sure, look, maybe you two spend $15 to $50 a month to join what is labeled a ministry on a website, but they claim is not a ministry.

00:55:55.000 That's kind of your view of Christianity.

00:55:57.000 Does she have a pay-per-view option? 0.67

00:55:58.000 Well, no, but if not, the good news is we all know that nothing brings folks to Christ like this type of content titled Tingly ASMR Unboxing.

00:56:13.000 Give me a break. 0.99

00:56:17.000 Vagina. 1.00

00:56:17.000 I have a very special video for you. 1.00

00:56:20.000 I've never done an unboxing before, so...

00:56:23.000 So, this is gonna be fun.

00:56:26.000 I hate this.

00:56:28.000 Your story has a villain.

00:56:43.000 The box has lots of fun things to talk about.

00:56:47.000 I'll bet.

00:56:50.000 This is the kind of content you can find.

00:56:52.000 That's how we all handle rolling pins.

00:56:54.000 I'm never going to have to buy bread ever again.

00:56:56.000 I've tried many recipes, but this one, ugh.

00:57:02.000 Actually, that's very honest.

00:57:12.000 Who are those videos made for?

00:57:15.000 If that's not sexually, if that's not sexual content, Well, you see the one where she has a frosting? 1.00

00:57:20.000 She goes... 0.99

00:57:21.000 Yeah, she makes orgasms. 1.00

00:57:22.000 In that video with the rolling pin, she Yeah, she stroked it first of all. 0.94

00:57:27.000 Who's that for?

00:57:28.000 That's not for women. 1.00

00:57:29.000 That's not for straight women. 1.00

00:57:30.000 Yeah.

00:57:31.000 I don't know.

00:57:33.000 and Ron, by the way, you guys...

00:57:36.000 They look like they got jizz on top of them.

00:57:37.000 That's the whole thing. 0.99

00:57:38.000 It's disgusting. 0.97

00:57:39.000 And she's making orgasm faces the whole video like it's... 1.00

00:57:43.000 How is that not?

00:57:44.000 Yeah.

00:57:45.000 I want to go back to a point that you made.

00:57:47.000 And Jeremy, the quarter, you made this point too, right?

00:57:49.000 We either believe in forgiveness or we don't.

00:57:51.000 We do.

00:57:51.000 I believe in forgiveness 100%.

00:57:52.000 And the clip that you played about her lying, if that was the end of it, then it wouldn't matter going forward.

00:57:58.000 If she was just sitting in a church somewhere doing her thing, I'd be like, okay, fine.

00:58:01.000 Sure.

00:58:01.000 Of course not.

00:58:02.000 No problem.

00:58:03.000 But all of this stuff that you're still kind of out there doing and this whole thing that you're branding yourself as a...

00:58:11.000 Yeah.

00:58:12.000 Those things really don't mix.

00:58:13.000 Oh, yeah, you're right. 0.98

00:58:15.000 You're not able to be the porn Christian. 0.97

00:58:17.000 This is not the first time. 0.99

00:58:18.000 Oh, porn again? 0.87

00:58:19.000 Yeah.

00:58:20.000 It's one of those things, too, where the church, and unfortunately this movement, has embraced what they view as celebrity, novelty, gimmickry.

00:58:30.000 And so, look, it is a part of the Christian faith.

00:58:34.000 You are supposed to gatekeep not from followers, but wolves.

00:58:39.000 Yes.

00:58:39.000 You're supposed to protect.

00:58:41.000 Against wolves at the door.

00:58:43.000 You can't get outraged over mega pastors and people like Benny Hinn and snake handling and cash stuffed into the walls and at the same time say, yeah, the person who charges $15 to $50 a month for ministry courses in paths to contentment, which by the way is just another form of carnal pleasure to be clear.

00:59:03.000 It's using God like your own self-help ATM machine.

00:59:05.000 You can't be upset about one and not the other and say, this is A good place to put this person, as far as a position of leadership.

00:59:15.000 No, when you're a new Christian, you're supposed to be in a position of, you're supposed to be a subordinate. 1.00

00:59:20.000 You're supposed to be submitting to the authority and leadership.

00:59:22.000 Because you don't, be like me, getting on a skateboard today, then tomorrow going, Mr. Hawk, let me show you. 0.97

00:59:27.000 He'd be like, oh, screw yourself. 0.94

00:59:28.000 What are you talking about? 0.99

00:59:29.000 Be like me giving workout tips.

00:59:33.000 Or her giving workout tips.

00:59:36.000 Or lip filler tips.

00:59:37.000 Now, All of this, too, could just be, alright, maybe she's not lying.

00:59:44.000 When she said, I don't have a ministry, I've never started a ministry, and then on the website it says ministry.

00:59:48.000 Maybe her husband wrote that and she didn't write that.

00:59:53.000 Maybe her saying that she lies specifically to get ahead.

00:59:56.000 Maybe that's just being taken out of context.

01:00:00.000 well, okay, even if I granted you all of that, she's being put in a position of... 0.90

01:00:11.000 But I don't agree.

01:00:12.000 I don't agree with the premise because I don't believe that someone like that with no foundation in the faith will lead people more effectively than actual pastors who know the word.

01:00:22.000 100%.

01:00:23.000 But even then, I don't know if she would be capable, considering that...

01:00:42.000 Or even if you're not a Christian, objectively, the denial of the Holy Trinity is apostasy?

01:00:48.000 Jesus is God's Son.

01:00:50.000 No, Jesus is God.

01:00:52.000 You're a Trinitarian. 0.99

01:00:53.000 Jesus is God.

01:00:53.000 Well, I'm not a Trinitarian.

01:00:55.000 I believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but He's called the Son of God because He's the Son of God.

01:01:00.000 No, He's called by John, God Himself.

01:01:02.000 He allowed Himself to be prayed to.

01:01:04.000 Jesus Christ is God.

01:01:05.000 You can pray to Jesus, absolutely, but He is God's Son.

01:01:08.000 No, He is God.

01:01:11.000 Then why does the Bible specifically say that God is in heaven on the throne and Jesus says at his right hand there are two, but they are also one?

01:01:18.000 No, listen, there is one God.

01:01:21.000 What Bible are you reading?

01:01:22.000 Like for me, it's like communion means something different for everyone, but communion means relationship.

01:01:27.000 You are communing with the Holy Spirit.

01:01:29.000 You are being in one.

01:01:31.000 You are literally becoming like one with them.

01:01:34.000 Can you bring back up her course, guys, what it's called there?

01:01:40.000 The collage F1.

01:01:41.000 Is it from knees to knees still on my knees?

01:01:43.000 Yeah, I think it is.

01:01:44.000 Collage F1.

01:01:45.000 Can you guys bring that up really fast?

01:01:47.000 The anointed pathway.

01:01:49.000 The anointed pathway.

01:01:50.000 And it's all about finding your purpose and breaking free from baggage.

01:01:56.000 She said that it means different things to everyone.

01:01:59.000 talking about community, she said it about Christianity as well.

01:02:01.000 Well, if it means if Okay.

01:02:04.000 If For someone to say, well, that could mean a lot of things to a lot of different people, doesn't it then mean nothing at all?

01:02:29.000 How do you teach?

01:02:31.000 And my question is, why?

01:02:34.000 Is she leading anybody?

01:02:36.000 Of course you can forgive someone.

01:02:38.000 Of course you can welcome someone.

01:02:40.000 Hey, welcome to the classroom.

01:02:41.000 You can't teach.

01:02:42.000 Welcome to the church.

01:02:43.000 You can't get on the podium.

01:02:44.000 Hey, welcome as a guest on this show.

01:02:46.000 You're not the host.

01:02:47.000 Why is this a hard concept to understand?

01:02:49.000 And again, I'm going to ask you, what harm could possibly come from telling someone like this, a new convert who at best has no understanding of the faith, At worst is subverting it to sell a course that could also very likely be apostasy.

01:03:07.000 What harm could possibly come from the approach of, great, welcome, be quiet, listen, learn, and submit yourself to the authority of people here who've been doing this for a very long time, and we hope that you're with us for years to come.

01:03:23.000 What harm could possibly come from that?

01:03:25.000 What net good can possibly come?

01:03:30.000 From giving someone who has made all of their fortune off of sex work, told you that she will lie to you, and is now selling you new courses, what good can possibly come from giving her a podium to lead other people?

01:03:46.000 Because they can definitely be led astray.

01:03:50.000 Sincerity.

01:03:50.000 Authenticity.

01:03:51.000 That's a currency that is in short supply today.

01:03:53.000 And we're going to take your chats on this, on Elon Musk, on Nala Ray, on what's going on, because it seems like there is a groundswell.

01:04:01.000 People are getting a little bit tired of being fleeced and taken advantage of.

01:04:06.000 Don't be a mark.

01:04:07.000 Let's continue right now with the chat.

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Louder with Crowder - June 04, 2025

Donald Trump vs. Elon Musk: The Massive Battle Over the Big Beautiful Bill

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