Louder with Crowder - November 17, 2025


End All SNAP Benefits | Change My Mind

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During the longest government shutdown to date, there were a lot of disruptions in the United States, including air travel, national parks, and the military, but no sector was more affected than the food stamp program, or more so than the single mothers that got kids.

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00:00:58.000 The obesity rate for low-income women in this country, okay, who are not on SNAP, 40%.
00:01:02.000 You know what it is for those on SNAP?
00:01:04.000 57%.
00:01:06.000 So working-class Americans with kids not on SNAP, struggling, are paying to make other people fatter.
00:01:14.000 How can we have a country with that?
00:01:15.000 That's what's like, cut it, give out a few food stamps for a period of time, a few months, until you get back on your feet. 0.99
00:01:20.000 Otherwise, get your ass to work. 0.99
00:01:23.000 Look, I can get caviar. 1.00
00:01:25.000 Would we take caviar off SNAP?
00:01:27.000 Pardon my language? 0.75
00:01:28.000 Isn't that ridiculous? 0.70
00:01:30.000 Should some charity be able to look at caviar on Snap while the other person's eating canned ham? 0.99
00:01:34.000 Does that seem right?
00:01:35.000 No, a charity person would probably eat spam. 0.96
00:01:39.000 That's fair.
00:01:39.000 That's fair.
00:01:40.000 If they do, do they like spam?
00:01:41.000 Are they fans of spam?
00:01:42.000 No.
00:01:43.000 Okay.
00:01:44.000 I don't like either.
00:01:50.000 Welcome back to Change My Mind, where we reason through our positions on seemingly controversial topics.
00:01:56.000 During our most recent and longest government shutdown to date, there were a lot of disruptions in the United States, including air travel, national parks, military.
00:02:05.000 But no sector was talked about more, or one could argue, than the subject of SNAP.
00:02:11.000 It goes out for the single mothers that got kids. 1.00
00:02:13.000 Now, what can we do?
00:02:15.000 We can't feed our kids.
00:02:17.000 Let alone, if we do have jobs, again, what can we do?
00:02:21.000 Around 42 million Americans depend on the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, also known as SNAP. 0.98
00:02:27.000 And who the f ⁇ they think celebrating these motherfucking holidays with no food stamps? 0.97
00:02:30.000 I don't know where the f ⁇ we gonna get the food from. 0.98
00:02:32.000 They showed that the Republicans don't actually believe their LMBS when it comes to populism, when it comes to funding SNAP. 1.00
00:02:39.000 I will be at motherfucking Walmart with my spiel toes on and my motherfucking helmet and I dare a f ⁇ try to stop me from walking out that motherfucking store with my girlfriend Trump. 1.00
00:02:50.000 It ain't nothing like, please, I'll go steal a whole turkey and a ham. 0.99
00:02:55.000 Like, what I'd be natural to assume that a subject inspiring such strong feelings would be amongst the most necessary, virtuous programs allocated in the United States $7 trillion budget, right?
00:03:11.000 But surprisingly, the truth is, it's not, which is exactly today's topic of discussion that took place at Oklahoma University in this installment of Change My Mind.
00:03:24.000 The conversations ranged from productive-ish to cordial to a little or a lot off the rails.
00:03:33.000 But you may be surprised by which students or canines had the most to offer.
00:03:40.000 So sit back, but hold your chair tightly for this latest installment of Change My Mind and Snap.
00:03:52.000 You know what?
00:03:53.000 Let's get the off-the-rails stuff out of the way first.
00:03:56.000 I can't fathom this idea that like Trump is, instead of cutting aid to say, stop funding the war in Ukraine, stop sending so much aid over to Israel, stop giving the rest of the world so much money, we're giving so much money away, like just can be to everybody.
00:04:12.000 Stop getting paid by these lobbyists.
00:04:14.000 Stop paying yourselves salaries even while the government's shut down.
00:04:18.000 I think the stat I saw was we're giving Israel enough to where every citizen of Israel gets basically like a million dollars a year.
00:04:24.000 We're giving like three to four billion to Israel, which we should stop, but over a hundred billion a year on SNAP.
00:04:29.000 But the idea that we're giving Israel all of this money, it's not even our country, and then we're telling Americans, hey, get back to work at listen.
00:04:35.000 You can't have Coca-Cola, you can't have candy, you can't have a nice meal for your family.
00:04:39.000 You absolutely shouldn't have Coca-Cola or candy if you don't work.
00:04:41.000 The $3 billion to Israel that we should also cut has nothing to do with it.
00:04:44.000 It's less than a 50th.
00:04:45.000 I just think we should solve all of those other extraneous problems before we start telling American citizens we can't have the nice luxuries.
00:04:52.000 Yeah, you should work for Israel. 0.98
00:04:53.000 Sure, you can't if you work for it.
00:04:55.000 If you're looking at that car and it doesn't work going, not the engine, not the transmission.
00:05:01.000 Let's fix the rear, the bolt on that hubcap.
00:05:04.000 That would be the money to Israel.
00:05:05.000 By the way, I say cut all of it, but it's not even close to SNAP, let alone if you get to what illegal immigration, the social safety nets, the welfare state that we have is so much astronomically higher.
00:05:15.000 It's so much higher.
00:05:16.000 That was horrible grammar.
00:05:17.000 I'm tired.
00:05:18.000 I've been here for about five hours at this point, and I just had to sit down with a furry and act like I didn't think it was degeneracy.
00:05:22.000 But we're at the point now where we have to actually deal with the problem.
00:05:25.000 And this is one of the primary problems.
00:05:26.000 And I think that it's a red herring to say, yeah, yeah, but Israel, great.
00:05:29.000 Cut it too.
00:05:30.000 It's not even close.
00:05:31.000 But we do have to bring up one of the problems.
00:05:32.000 So I think we agree on principle.
00:05:33.000 And I agree with you on all.
00:05:34.000 We don't disagree on anything.
00:05:35.000 Cut all of it.
00:05:36.000 You want Coca-Cola?
00:05:37.000 Go buy it.
00:05:38.000 The deal you turned down from Ben Shapiro's corporation is worth $50 million.
00:05:43.000 Sure.
00:05:44.000 So the company, yeah, it employs about 30 people.
00:05:46.000 A lot of money.
00:05:48.000 And we're still funding Israel.
00:05:49.000 We're still funding all of these militaries across the United States.
00:05:52.000 We're in a deficit of our own military.
00:05:54.000 We're funding the military, the United States.
00:05:56.000 Well, we're in a deficit for our own, like, national protection.
00:05:59.000 But it's not even close.
00:06:00.000 Because of how much we're giving to them.
00:06:02.000 So I do have questions though.
00:06:03.000 Okay.
00:06:04.000 Where do you make your money?
00:06:05.000 Like, who funds you?
00:06:07.000 It's entirely funded by viewers.
00:06:08.000 Yeah, about 85% is people who choose to subscribe.
00:06:10.000 So no outside money from donors, from nonprofits, and we do like one sponsor a day that makes up about 15% of revenue.
00:06:16.000 Okay.
00:06:17.000 Based on the demographic of SNAP recipients that I'm thinking of being like single mothers and based on the cancel inflation that you went through in 2021, do you see how that like is kind of like no, I don't.
00:06:30.000 I don't see how it's relevant to subsidizing a government program that's a failure and rife with fraud.
00:06:35.000 I just think it's interesting that you have put someone in a position of potentially needing to rely on that and then turn around and dunk on the other people who also need to rely on that.
00:06:42.000 I think it's potentially interesting that you believe things that you see in the media and have no idea is the situation that she is.
00:06:48.000 You think she's on SNAP, an ex-wife, but I'm not allowed to discuss it because that's the mother of my children.
00:06:53.000 She's not going to be on SNAP.
00:06:54.000 I'm glad you respect the mother of your children.
00:06:56.000 Yeah, I'm not going to be discussing that.
00:06:58.000 And I think it's a very feminist thing to then go like, well, since I can't actually argue this point, let me go to something personal when they're ushing in. 1.00
00:07:07.000 Like the fold divorce thing, that's a whole other topic.
00:07:09.000 I wish we would have talked about that instead.
00:07:11.000 Biggest failure of Ronald Reagan.
00:07:12.000 I think that would have been a lot more interesting, but like I know, but it's the sign We have to talk about the sign.
00:07:17.000 I know it's a feminist thing to want to talk about whatever you want to talk about, but the sign is about SNAP. 1.00
00:07:21.000 I brought it back in.
00:07:22.000 Did you bring it back in?
00:07:23.000 Yeah, I just think it's interesting that a lot of women end up on SNAP from situations like that. 1.00
00:07:30.000 Yeah, to be honest with you, this was later in the day.
00:07:32.000 Not all the conversations were taking place in good faith or were productive at all.
00:07:37.000 And surprisingly, very few people had anything to disagree with once they knew the money on which we were spending these resources for SNAP.
00:07:46.000 But this conversation was different from most we've had in the past and I would say productive.
00:07:52.000 And this young lady is lovely as a button. 0.54
00:07:56.000 Please welcome and be kind to Carter.
00:07:59.000 Nice to meet you, Carter.
00:08:00.000 Please grab a seat.
00:08:01.000 And do you mind scooching in just so we can, for the camera, they can see.
00:08:05.000 I don't know how familiar you are with these installments, this series, but I just try and set people a little more at ease.
00:08:09.000 I'll tell you what it's not.
00:08:10.000 It's not gotcha, it's not scoring points, it's not dunking, it's not meant to be clipped for reels, though people will do that.
00:08:16.000 It was created almost a decade ago to have authentic conversations in good faith and see where we agree, disagree, and are able to present our opinions on controversial topics.
00:08:24.000 Absolutely.
00:08:25.000 It will not be uploaded, cut out of context like a Jon Stewart type thing.
00:08:29.000 So that being said, a controversial topic, and I'm at my wit's end.
00:08:34.000 I'm fed up with this the more I look into SNAP.
00:08:36.000 Yeah, my position on this is end SNAP completely outright wholesale.
00:08:40.000 If we want something like food stamps for bare necessities, create a separate program.
00:08:43.000 It's so beyond repair and so corrupt.
00:08:46.000 I think in 2025, done with SNAP.
00:08:49.000 If you disagree, you're welcome to change my mind.
00:08:51.000 Okay, let me give you some context.
00:08:54.000 So I come from Adair County, Oklahoma.
00:08:56.000 When I was growing up, it was the number one forest county.
00:08:59.000 We've moved up in the world, and now we're the third forest county.
00:09:01.000 Good for you.
00:09:02.000 I know.
00:09:03.000 Out of all 77.
00:09:04.000 Yay! 0.99
00:09:06.000 It's baby steps.
00:09:07.000 Yes, I'm a Cherokee citizen.
00:09:10.000 Cherokee Nation is very prevalent in my little Baytown.
00:09:13.000 Even with Cherokee Nation, we still provide, we still depend on SNAP.
00:09:19.000 Yeah.
00:09:19.000 Why?
00:09:20.000 Yes.
00:09:21.000 Because it's a very rural, very small town, and we have a lot of small jobs that pay minimum wage, so people are not able to afford rent and eat.
00:09:35.000 We heavily have to depend on horticulture, agriculture.
00:09:40.000 We have, like, you know, a Tyson factory.
00:09:43.000 We do so much of that kind of work, but that does not pay well.
00:09:48.000 So, you know, we're paying to keep the lights on, not me personally.
00:09:52.000 No, I get it.
00:09:54.000 But people in my community are paying to have the lights on, but they still need to eat.
00:09:58.000 There's still food insecurity in rural towns.
00:10:01.000 And I think one thing people are forgetting is those rural towns.
00:10:05.000 They're seeing the majority, but they're also not looking at the minority.
00:10:10.000 You know.
00:10:10.000 What do you mean by that?
00:10:13.000 I think some people in the government are looking at the numbers and not the people in the geographical areas of where they're doing.
00:10:22.000 What do you mean by those in the government?
00:10:22.000 Forgive me.
00:10:23.000 Because the government position has been overwhelming support for SNAP to the point that it's ridiculous.
00:10:28.000 Where the number one purchased item is sugary sodas.
00:10:31.000 That's $100 to $130 billion a year, $9 billion of which just go to soda alone.
00:10:36.000 You can get everything on SNAP.
00:10:37.000 You can get caviar on SNAP. 0.93
00:10:39.000 You can get Halloween candy on SNAP, which I think is immoral and I think is ridiculous.
00:10:43.000 Which is why if we want to go back to a food stamp program for bare essentials, well, that should help people who are in need.
00:10:48.000 But it sounds to me like you're talking about a nation or the Cherokee Nation and this neighborhood, sorry, our community was most poor to third poorest.
00:10:56.000 Sounds to me like you're almost advocating for perpetual use of SNAP, which we know has been very prevalent in the Native American community.
00:11:03.000 And would you say that's made the Native American community stronger or weaker?
00:11:07.000 How's it doing?
00:11:09.000 It has made it stronger, but since we're not always recognized, it's not built for that yet.
00:11:16.000 What do you mean?
00:11:17.000 Like, we're in a very poor rural area, but we're not able to change it dramatically because we're not having more people invest and spend time and work more in our rural areas because they're going to bigger and better places.
00:11:32.000 Why do you think that other rural areas are able to do so?
00:11:35.000 There are other rural areas that aren't that poor and certainly not for decades at a time.
00:11:39.000 Why do you think it's so specific to the Native American community who get far more, disproportionately more, government benefits and contribute less?
00:11:47.000 Why do you think that is?
00:11:52.000 Sometimes there's a rich person who gives a big amount, whether it be scholarship or funds that are coming in.
00:12:06.000 Sorry, I'm shaking.
00:12:07.000 No, that's okay.
00:12:08.000 By the way, it's okay.
00:12:09.000 I still get nervous all the time every time I do this.
00:12:12.000 Let me, if this helps you, let me present you my position.
00:12:14.000 Okay.
00:12:15.000 Would that help?
00:12:16.000 Okay.
00:12:17.000 And just let me know, too, if you want, because I don't want to dominate the conversation, but I also know you don't sit and talk as much for a living, so if it helps.
00:12:24.000 I would say that it has kneecapped and irreparably damaged the Native American community. 1.00
00:12:28.000 I would say the Native American community has been handicapped.
00:12:31.000 They're not a particularly industrious people because they don't have to be and because they are ultra-reliant on government services.
00:12:38.000 And I would say that let's grant your scenario, which I wouldn't say is necessarily true in most scenarios, but a wealthy person coming in and investing in a community.
00:12:47.000 Sure, that can be helpful.
00:12:48.000 Those people would be very, very hesitant to invest in a community that seems to be dependent in perpetuity forever on government assistance with no interest in getting off of it.
00:12:59.000 That would be, I mean, I would say that.
00:13:01.000 I would say that there's a reason that not only is that one of the poorest communities, but Native American reservations, despite having advantages in a lot of ways, pretty much everyone looks like an episode of cops. 1.00
00:13:11.000 It's bad.
00:13:12.000 It's bad.
00:13:13.000 Let's just be honest, right?
00:13:14.000 They're not nice.
00:13:14.000 They don't look beautiful.
00:13:15.000 And we've been doing it this way with government assistance and subsidies.
00:13:19.000 Maybe do it a different way.
00:13:20.000 Maybe if you cut people off and go, no, you got to start, you got to start doing what everyone else does.
00:13:24.000 You got to start trolling by the sweat of your brow.
00:13:27.000 Maybe they would become more industrious because I don't think it's helped the Native American community. 1.00
00:13:31.000 And I say that because it's a microcosm.
00:13:33.000 There is a huge over-reliance on government subsidies, welfare, social safety benefits in the Native American community.
00:13:40.000 But now apply that at large.
00:13:42.000 That's what happens with SNAP EBT.
00:13:44.000 People stay on it.
00:13:45.000 60% of people on it are able-bodied.
00:13:48.000 We can't reform it at all.
00:13:49.000 If the government can't cut Coca-Cola from SNAP, then we can't cut anything.
00:13:52.000 Enjoy your debt.
00:13:53.000 You're a lot younger than me.
00:13:55.000 If we can't have work requirements 80 hours a month, which is what's opposed by the Democrat Party, then we can't have any requirements.
00:14:02.000 That's why I say we got to do away with it wholesale and do something else.
00:14:05.000 Do you think we should change it to, at the very least, hey, get rid of soda, treats from SNAP?
00:14:12.000 I would say soda and more health conscious things, but not to get away with it altogether.
00:14:20.000 Well, to kind of compromise with SNAP.
00:14:22.000 Well, so here's the thing.
00:14:23.000 You can't compromise with SNAP because you can't cut soda, right?
00:14:26.000 There was a huge outcry of people going, that's a violation.
00:14:29.000 Hey, you can't determine what these people, everyone deserves treats.
00:14:33.000 First off, not everyone deserves treats.
00:14:35.000 Second, for me, it's pretty simple.
00:14:37.000 You pay, you choose.
00:14:39.000 I pay, the taxpayer, I choose.
00:14:41.000 Milk, eggs, meat, produce, and fabric software.
00:14:45.000 Otherwise, get to work.
00:14:46.000 Is that fair?
00:14:48.000 No, that's not fair?
00:14:51.000 There should be some choice in that.
00:14:53.000 I don't think there should be any choice.
00:14:55.000 I would be, our soldiers get MREs and they have to pay for them.
00:14:58.000 Why should someone who's able-bodied, choosing not to work, get anything better than our soldiers?
00:15:04.000 Are you aware of like, and this is, this is not, this is like, so SNAP, because you mentioned the, this is true.
00:15:09.000 If you go to Amazon, right?
00:15:11.000 Snap EBT, okay, right here.
00:15:14.000 So I work, I pay taxes, right?
00:15:16.000 And there are a lot of Americans who work and pay taxes who are poor, low-income Americans, right?
00:15:20.000 Not on SNAP.
00:15:21.000 You get 50% off your prime membership.
00:15:23.000 You get unlimited groceries for $4.99 a month.
00:15:25.000 Let me show you what's in the groceries.
00:15:27.000 La Vaza coffee, $25.
00:15:30.000 Rockstar, Ghost Energy.
00:15:33.000 Hey, let's go down to snacks and treats.
00:15:35.000 When you say choice, these are the choices right now that tax pre-filled pumpkin buckets of assorted Halloween candy.
00:15:42.000 Does that seem like helping someone with a tough break?
00:15:44.000 And how do we make the case to low-income Americans that they should fund that?
00:15:47.000 Because they are.
00:15:48.000 Well, a lot of them have children.
00:15:51.000 Okay.
00:15:51.000 So do the people paying taxes who are working for a living.
00:15:55.000 I mean, because people say it's taken from the rich, given to the poor.
00:15:55.000 Right?
00:15:59.000 And you look obviously very spelt, and I'm sure you know that obesity is a problem in the country.
00:16:03.000 It doesn't affect you.
00:16:04.000 Probably affects me more than you.
00:16:05.000 I have some that I could lose.
00:16:07.000 But the obesity rate for low-income women in this country, okay, who are not on SNAP, 40%. 0.99
00:16:13.000 You know what it is?
00:16:13.000 For those on SNAP, 57%.
00:16:17.000 So working class Americans with kids, not on SNAP, struggling, are paying to make other people fatter.
00:16:24.000 How can we have a country with that?
00:16:25.000 That's what's like, cut it.
00:16:26.000 Give out a few food stamps for a period of time, a few months, until you get back on your feet. 0.99
00:16:31.000 Otherwise, get your ass to work. 0.98
00:16:33.000 Can you understand why? 0.99
00:16:34.000 And by the way, I wasn't raised wealthy.
00:16:36.000 And I know those people.
00:16:37.000 I work with these people.
00:16:39.000 I've spent my whole life with these people who, out of pride, would not take SNAP or EBT.
00:16:45.000 And when they find out what they're paying for, that's a really tough pill to swallow.
00:16:50.000 So could we, so I just say, do away with food stamps for essentials for a very limited amount of time, work requirements, meaning, I think it should be more than 80 hours a week.
00:16:59.000 I think to get anything, you should be working, sorry, 80 hours a month.
00:17:01.000 Sorry.
00:17:02.000 It's 20 hours a week.
00:17:03.000 Yeah, I think it should be a full work week, and you get a very temp, you get very temporary relief.
00:17:09.000 But I don't think it can be through the SNAP program.
00:17:13.000 I didn't know this until yesterday.
00:17:15.000 I didn't see how just, you can get, look, I can get caviar.
00:17:19.000 Would we take caviar off SNAP?
00:17:21.000 Pardon my language? 0.75
00:17:22.000 Isn't that ridiculous? 0.93
00:17:24.000 Should some Cherokee be able to get caviar on SNAP while the other person's eating canned ham? 0.99
00:17:28.000 Does that seem right?
00:17:29.000 No, a Cherokee person probably eats Sam. 1.00
00:17:32.000 It's a favorite.
00:17:33.000 That's fair.
00:17:33.000 That's fair.
00:17:34.000 Do they like Spam?
00:17:35.000 Are they fans of Spam?
00:17:36.000 No.
00:17:37.000 Okay.
00:17:38.000 I don't like either.
00:17:40.000 This is sturgeon caviar.
00:17:42.000 Pardon my language.
00:17:43.000 What the f ⁇ ?
00:17:44.000 Like, how are we at this point as a country when we're talking about being fiscally responsible and people who aren't working, who are able-bodied, are getting caviar or potentially through SNAP?
00:17:54.000 Could we agree that maybe that's a broken system that we have to do away with it, start from the ground up with essentials?
00:18:01.000 And I say less choice.
00:18:03.000 Okay, when you come from that standpoint, I have to agree with you.
00:18:06.000 Okay.
00:18:07.000 Slightly because you're corrupting me in that aspect.
00:18:09.000 Well, I ranted because you said it would help you.
00:18:11.000 So now the floor is yours.
00:18:13.000 Yes, yes.
00:18:15.000 I'll give you that.
00:18:17.000 Starting from the ground up is very hard.
00:18:20.000 I just hope there isn't a trickle-down system to it.
00:18:24.000 I mean, I'm not sure.
00:18:25.000 Never mind.
00:18:27.000 And I think we agree.
00:18:29.000 I think, to be fair, I think you didn't know how bad it was.
00:18:33.000 Is that fair? 0.97
00:18:34.000 I think you thought, man, someone who's struggling, who's getting bare essentials, I don't think you realize that people who can work, who choose not to, are getting fatter on this shit, all done in the name of equity. 0.98
00:18:34.000 Yes. 0.98
00:18:45.000 Okay, can I branch off of that?
00:18:47.000 Do you think some of those people are mentally declined?
00:18:53.000 Do you think they have mental illness?
00:18:55.000 Do you think they have mental illness? 0.67
00:18:56.000 So, and I understand.
00:18:57.000 There's a difference with that.
00:18:58.000 People, like, for example, veterans, but there are other ways to deal with those.
00:19:01.000 You know, there are other ways to deal with, and we can categorize those, but we're not.
00:19:05.000 So that's, again, why I say if you defund this to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars a year, you'd actually be able to allocate the funding more effectively to the people you're talking about who need it.
00:19:15.000 I do agree that we should help handicap veterans.
00:19:17.000 They've served their country.
00:19:18.000 I do believe that if people are actually mentally handicapped, whatever, adjudicated, mentally defective, whatever term you want to use, that they could use some help.
00:19:26.000 I think we could also help by removing some of the red tape for charities.
00:19:29.000 I did volunteer work with these special needs.
00:19:32.000 They would all live in homes together.
00:19:33.000 These were private charities.
00:19:34.000 They do a friendship club thing every, I think it was Tuesday of the week where we bring in food.
00:19:40.000 And a lot of that is hard because of the red tape.
00:19:42.000 But I think that we need to separate that.
00:19:43.000 That's not who's typically using SNAP.
00:19:47.000 And those people end up being shortchanged because that person is treated the exact same as an able-bodied baby mama who eats Halloween candy.
00:19:56.000 Yeah, I think that's fair.
00:19:58.000 I'm passionate because I had someone here try to do a bomb threat, so I'm a little bit hornry.
00:20:03.000 And I got a furry who's looking to argue with me.
00:20:06.000 Yeah, I thought the furriers could cut the line. 0.86
00:20:08.000 I got a little scared for a second.
00:20:09.000 I've been here since news.
00:20:10.000 Oh, have you?
00:20:11.000 Well, I don't know.
00:20:12.000 What do you want me to say to the furry?
00:20:13.000 It's just between you and me.
00:20:13.000 It's okay.
00:20:15.000 It's weird, right? 0.97
00:20:16.000 Should I just go guns blazing and say, stop being degenerate?
00:20:22.000 I think everyone has a right of free will.
00:20:25.000 Sure.
00:20:27.000 Fine.
00:20:28.000 I just don't have to act like it's normal.
00:20:29.000 You put on a mascot costume.
00:20:31.000 You know the scariest thing I ever saw in my life?
00:20:34.000 Since I think this has been a friendly conversation.
00:20:36.000 And I'm trying to put you at ease. 0.77
00:20:37.000 Hopefully this helps, but I'm being a little silly. 0.98
00:20:39.000 One of the scariest things I ever saw, and I mean like testicle disappearingly scary.
00:20:45.000 I was at a flea market in a rural area of Michigan, and it wasn't just a furry, but it was a furry in a full mascot outfit who put on top of it slacks and like a t-shirt to be a furry during Casual Friday.
00:21:00.000 I was like, that is a disturbed individual.
00:21:02.000 That was one of the scariest things.
00:21:03.000 And just looking through, like, oh, look, look at these old books.
00:21:07.000 Haggling.
00:21:08.000 Scariest moment of my life.
00:21:11.000 Also, when someone tried to kill me, but you know, it's neck and neck.
00:21:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:21:15.000 Those two things.
00:21:16.000 Almost up in a snake, seeing the furry.
00:21:18.000 Yeah.
00:21:19.000 Well, thank you, Carter.
00:21:20.000 I appreciate the perspective.
00:21:21.000 And what, do you know what percent you are a Cherokee or?
00:21:23.000 Two percent.
00:21:24.000 Two percent.
00:21:25.000 I grew up there, so you know, I got to learn a little bit more than most people.
00:21:30.000 So I'm very, very passionate about it.
00:21:32.000 Yeah.
00:21:32.000 Well, I'm glad that you're at school, and I'm glad you're better in your situation.
00:21:35.000 And you're walking proof that people can do it.
00:21:38.000 That people, regardless of circumstances, can better their lives and manifest their own, you know, their own future.
00:21:44.000 Absolutely.
00:21:45.000 So I really do appreciate it.
00:21:46.000 I appreciate it.
00:21:46.000 I mean that.
00:21:47.000 Because I know it can be tough if you come from a rough spot.
00:21:49.000 Oh, yes.
00:21:50.000 Thank you, Carter.
00:21:51.000 Thank you very much.
00:21:51.000 Hopefully, it helped.
00:21:52.000 I did dominate the conversation, but with silly horse shit. 1.00
00:21:55.000 Yes. 1.00
00:21:56.000 Okay.
00:21:56.000 Thank you, Carter.
00:21:57.000 God bless.
00:21:58.000 Be well.
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00:23:48.000 All right.
00:23:49.000 Do you mind if I ask you to scooch in for the camera?
00:23:51.000 I know it's going to be hard to navigate with the mascot head.
00:23:55.000 What's your name, sir?
00:23:58.000 Can you spell it for the camera?
00:23:59.000 Just say you consent to talking.
00:24:02.000 Yeah, Twistle, T-W-Y-S-T-A-L. 1.00
00:24:05.000 Okay.
00:24:06.000 Is this your furry name or your biological name?
00:24:09.000 I prefer not to.
00:24:11.000 Okay.
00:24:12.000 But you do consent to sitting down and discussing, and you're not going to go to YouTube and say that's not really me?
00:24:16.000 No.
00:24:16.000 Okay, all right.
00:24:17.000 So Crystal.
00:24:18.000 I don't know how from.
00:24:19.000 Oh, Twistle?
00:24:20.000 Twistle, yeah.
00:24:21.000 Twistle, Twistle.
00:24:22.000 Does that have any significance, like the name, or is it just a cool name?
00:24:24.000 Yeah, so it comes from my interests, which are geology and meteorology.
00:24:30.000 I really enjoy those.
00:24:31.000 So it's Twister plus Crystal.
00:24:33.000 You can see, I don't know, 20 or 50.
00:24:35.000 Oh, okay.
00:24:36.000 What kind of owl is that?
00:24:37.000 Huh?
00:24:37.000 Do you know what kind of owl that is?
00:24:39.000 I don't know.
00:24:39.000 No?
00:24:40.000 I just thought it was a cool shirt.
00:24:41.000 I like owls.
00:24:42.000 You know, the owls, the thing that's cool about them, if you've seen them, if you've ever actually watched them catch a rodent, they can be completely silent on approach.
00:24:49.000 I've heard about that.
00:24:50.000 Yeah, it's pretty cool.
00:24:51.000 Did you ever see the movie Guardians of Gahul?
00:24:53.000 I haven't.
00:24:54.000 It's awesome.
00:24:55.000 I still say to this day, the best animation.
00:24:56.000 Sorry.
00:24:57.000 I'm tired, so I'm a little scattershot.
00:24:59.000 Twistle, I don't know how familiar you are with this series or these installments.
00:25:03.000 What we do, let me just kind of set you at ease.
00:25:06.000 It's not designed to be, gotcha score points on the topic at hand.
00:25:10.000 This was pre-Debate Bro, pre-Youtube shorts when it started, and clips.
00:25:13.000 It'll be uploaded, you know, provided we both have a conversation in good faith in its entirety.
00:25:18.000 So you will not be taken out of context, even if it's a controversial topic.
00:25:23.000 So this topic right now, I obviously just switched it, is I think that in 2025, considering the abysmal failure, the corruption, it is beyond repair, we absolutely need to wholesale, cut, snap, done, and if anything, put something else in its place.
00:25:40.000 If you disagree, Twistle, you're welcome to change my mind.
00:25:43.000 I mean, I don't know much about this topic, so I would not, I prefer not to give any comment.
00:25:50.000 At least when they invited me here, they said it was mostly going to be about like the...
00:25:53.000 Oh, okay.
00:25:53.000 So, Twistle, what would you like to talk about?
00:25:56.000 And this is, just to be clear, this is something you really do.
00:25:59.000 You're not trolling.
00:26:01.000 Right.
00:26:01.000 Right?
00:26:02.000 Because there are people who do that.
00:26:04.000 I'll say, like, one of the biggest misconceptions about furries in general is that we think we're animals.
00:26:11.000 I do not think I'm an animal.
00:26:13.000 I know I'm a human.
00:26:14.000 There are a small subsection called Thurians who identify spiritually with animals.
00:26:20.000 That's one of the biggest misconceptions I've seen is that people assume that we think they're.
00:26:25.000 Okay.
00:26:25.000 And by the way, just because I have to get the mic close to you, if you feel this, just know that's the microphone.
00:26:29.000 I'm not trying to knock you.
00:26:30.000 I just have to get it close.
00:26:32.000 So then what is it to you?
00:26:35.000 Why do you do the whole furry thing there?
00:26:37.000 So to me, it's, again, kind of like a reflection of my interests.
00:26:41.000 This is a character that I designed.
00:26:44.000 Yeah.
00:26:45.000 Like, I didn't make this costume, but I had an artist draw out kind of what I had in mind.
00:26:50.000 Again, the name comes from Twister and Crystal because I just wanted to be able to express all of my interests all at once.
00:26:57.000 The color scheme comes from weather, pretty much.
00:27:00.000 Brown, rain, yellow, lightning, gray, black, clouds.
00:27:04.000 And the shape in the middle of the forehead, the yellow one, I don't know if you see that.
00:27:08.000 Yeah.
00:27:08.000 It's supposed to be a type of crystal for the Japan Wall Twin.
00:27:12.000 It kind of looks like an N64 era heart because it's like a polygonal heart.
00:27:16.000 Yeah, it kind of does.
00:27:18.000 So I just thought it was like all love.
00:27:20.000 But, okay.
00:27:23.000 Let me ask you this, Twistle.
00:27:25.000 And the good thing is, people won't know your real identity, so hopefully you can shoot me straight.
00:27:30.000 Are you one of these people you've discussed?
00:27:33.000 Or what percentage of your community would you say also have some type of sexual proclivity or it being included in their identity as a furry?
00:27:42.000 So I would say that I can't put any percentage on it, but it's not necessarily an insignificant number.
00:27:50.000 It's a pretty high number, isn't it?
00:27:52.000 I mean, I don't know.
00:27:54.000 So I wouldn't, I can't say any number.
00:27:56.000 I honestly don't know.
00:27:57.000 But I do know people that do have that side.
00:28:02.000 For me, I choose to stay away from it for the most part in terms of art, the costume.
00:28:08.000 But wait, for the most part.
00:28:09.000 So that means you probably experimented a little bit with sex stuff.
00:28:12.000 I have friends that are into that side, and I pretty much stay with them.
00:28:17.000 You keep saying pretty much that you have an experience early on in college or something like that.
00:28:21.000 Again, no one will know.
00:28:22.000 I've never had any kind of experiences with the costume.
00:28:26.000 I do not want to.
00:28:26.000 You don't want to?
00:28:27.000 Partly because this is extremely expensive.
00:28:29.000 Don't want to get it dirty.
00:28:32.000 It is a messy endeavor.
00:28:34.000 So I definitely stay away from not safe for work side.
00:28:40.000 Okay.
00:28:41.000 Now do you have a full outfit that goes along with the head or do you just wear the head?
00:28:46.000 I have hand claws.
00:28:48.000 Yeah.
00:28:49.000 Is that a cost thing where you kind of do it in installments and build it?
00:28:52.000 You can, or you can do it all at once if you have enough money, depending on who you want it for.
00:28:56.000 Okay.
00:28:57.000 Let me ask you, what type of intersect do you think there's with like LGBTQ? 0.82
00:29:01.000 Because a lot of people think it's now just a modern expression of gender.
00:29:04.000 And I will tell you this, a lot of people view it as degeneracy when it's an expression of gender, sexuality, because those things should be kept in private.
00:29:15.000 What exactly are you asking me?
00:29:17.000 Well, you know, when you look online and you look at the furry community, there's usually a lot of the intersectional sort of camaraderie there with LGBTQ and they sort of tag it along to it.
00:29:27.000 So whether you intend for it to be or not, that is the perception that's by design from a lot of activists in the furry community.
00:29:35.000 Yeah.
00:29:36.000 Yeah.
00:29:36.000 I mean, I would say that LGBTQ is not at all an insignificant proportion.
00:29:43.000 There is a significant proportion of the fandom that is LGBTQ.
00:29:47.000 I mean, what they do is not my business.
00:29:50.000 So can't really comment too much on that.
00:29:52.000 Yeah, but what if the furry community is seen as sort of a quasi-ambassadorship of LGBTQ?
00:29:59.000 Because it's all about breaking down societal norms, gender norms, you know, healthy approach to human interaction.
00:30:05.000 And I'm going to tell you, I don't love it.
00:30:08.000 But I'll have a conversation.
00:30:09.000 I also don't love people's positions on SNAP and on illegal immigration.
00:30:13.000 I think we want to do it at a costume party, but I think walking around in society where people have to adapt to it is uncomfortable, and I do think it's pretty abnormal.
00:30:23.000 Well, let me say this.
00:30:25.000 Do you understand that, though?
00:30:26.000 Yeah.
00:30:27.000 Furries generally do not just walk around this in their everyday life.
00:30:32.000 I only wore it here today because I was asked by the president to bring it.
00:30:37.000 They reached out to me a few days ago asking if I was interested in coming down.
00:30:40.000 And I was very hesitant.
00:30:41.000 The president of what?
00:30:42.000 Turning Point USA is a U2.
00:30:44.000 Oh, okay.
00:30:45.000 So they asked you to.
00:30:46.000 So are you involved with them?
00:30:47.000 No.
00:30:48.000 No.
00:30:49.000 Do they just kind of know you on campus as a furry person?
00:30:52.000 They saw me on campus because I was with a group of friends on Halloween.
00:30:58.000 We were just walking around campus handing out candy.
00:31:00.000 They took a picture of us and posted it saying, imagine if people thought they could be animals.
00:31:05.000 How scary is this?
00:31:07.000 And I left a comment saying, well, I actually don't think I'm an animal.
00:31:11.000 And then they ended up messaging me asking if I was interested.
00:31:14.000 But you have friends who think they do view themselves as quasi-animals, right?
00:31:18.000 You say in the community?
00:31:19.000 They exist in the community.
00:31:20.000 None of my friends personally fall into that category, but some, a very small portion do have like, they say they have a spiritual connection.
00:31:30.000 Yeah.
00:31:30.000 Or a sexual one.
00:31:31.000 Like I said, it's not an insignificant portion.
00:31:33.000 Do you speak out against it a lot?
00:31:35.000 Do you feel that you're tarded and you're kind of lumped in with the same lot?
00:31:38.000 Because it is incumbent.
00:31:39.000 If you're just saying, like, hey, it's a costume and it's art.
00:31:42.000 You know, I like Halloween.
00:31:43.000 We do sketches.
00:31:45.000 But when you have a chorus of people saying, hey, this is just as legitimate as heteronormative styles, by the way, we're tagging on with LGBTQ, isn't it incumbent upon you to say, no, that's kind of degenerate to try and thrust a sexual preference like this into the public spotlight. 0.72
00:32:00.000 I mean, I'll say what most cases of that happening are in a private setting.
00:32:07.000 Whatever they do is not my business.
00:32:09.000 And so I would just leave it to them to do another.
00:32:12.000 Sure.
00:32:12.000 But if someone is wearing it out in public, it is everyone else's business, like, hey, why are you doing this?
00:32:18.000 Wearing it out in public is one thing versus just versus like right, but it's associated with, you know, the destruction.
00:32:25.000 You know this, right?
00:32:25.000 That I don't want to talk in circles.
00:32:27.000 The destruction of heteronormative sexual behavior.
00:32:31.000 And people are kind of at the point where we're like, yeah, we're less accepting of it because we live in an era where everything has become acceptable and it doesn't necessarily mean it's healthy for society.
00:32:41.000 Costume is one thing, but identifying that way and everyone around having to be like, yeah, let's just treat this like it's my friend Doug is not really a good thing.
00:32:49.000 I mean, I don't identify as this idea of whenever I wear it.
00:32:53.000 Okay.
00:32:53.000 Whenever I wear it, it is only to things like social meetups when other people are there.
00:32:58.000 They're conventions.
00:32:59.000 Yeah.
00:32:59.000 And conventions, I'll tell you, there's a side of them that almost nobody gets to see.
00:33:04.000 There are some seriously positive interactions.
00:33:06.000 There's some seriously disgusting ones, too.
00:33:08.000 There are.
00:33:09.000 I ended up accidentally at WebCon.
00:33:11.000 Does that ring a bell?
00:33:12.000 You know what that is?
00:33:12.000 I do not.
00:33:13.000 Oh my gosh.
00:33:14.000 I was going to an Easter thing at a Gaylord Hotel.
00:33:18.000 And it wasn't Easter.
00:33:19.000 It was WebCon.
00:33:20.000 And by the third SNM Spider-Man slash furry, I was like, I got to get, I hit the fire exit with my kids.
00:33:26.000 So if someone sees that, right, you say they don't see the positive interactions.
00:33:31.000 But they see the freaky stuff, right?
00:33:34.000 Why do you think that's always on public display?
00:33:36.000 Why do you think if I go on X or Instagram, there's always some weird quasi-sexual energy with the furry community?
00:33:42.000 And how accepting do you think that Americans should be of that?
00:33:47.000 Well, you could, what I would say is, if something like that is happening out in public, it's more likely to make the news.
00:33:54.000 For example, like I'll tell you.
00:33:55.000 Well, no, no, but if they do it in private, but then they're dressed as a furry in public, people are going, oh, well, that's one of those people because they've made their identity being a furry, and that also is part and parcel of their sexual identity.
00:34:05.000 Yeah, I don't see that that's part of, that's where that misconception of everybody does it because it's a sexual thing comes from.
00:34:12.000 Like, for example, whenever I was at a convention in Dallas, I did a presentation on how to find your own crystals.
00:34:19.000 I had about 80 or so people show up and had about 100 crystals on display.
00:34:23.000 I gave away half of them.
00:34:25.000 Everybody left home with one.
00:34:26.000 And it was strictly educational.
00:34:29.000 And it was amazing.
00:34:31.000 I had a really awesome time.
00:34:32.000 People learned about rocks.
00:34:33.000 I got to talk about what I was passionate about for an entire hour to a group of people that had no idea what that was beforehand.
00:34:42.000 And there is a huge side of that that just largely goes unnoticed.
00:34:50.000 So it's kind of more of like a Rocky Horror Picture Show thing for you where it's like you're into this and you think it's a reflection of art and it's just something you do.
00:35:00.000 It's not really who you are.
00:35:01.000 Yeah, it's something, like, I'll tell you, the number of times I've worn this this semester, like, is, I can, I don't want that.
00:35:11.000 It's not something I do often at all, and it's only with other people.
00:35:15.000 Sure.
00:35:16.000 We mean with other furries.
00:35:18.000 Yeah.
00:35:18.000 So you don't like wear this into class and expect everyone to act like, yeah, yeah, just normal.
00:35:22.000 And you would agree that like that would be weird and rude and people weren't accepting of like, you can't just come in in this fur helmet in the middle of class.
00:35:30.000 I mean, it would be unusual.
00:35:32.000 I wouldn't say anything, but it's not what most furries do.
00:35:37.000 It's not what most furries do.
00:35:38.000 kind of keep it separate.
00:35:39.000 Let me ask, what do you get out of this that you wouldn't get out of like, could you say it's art, like that you don't get out of like say a painting or like, you know, making a movie or a poem?
00:35:52.000 For one, I don't consider myself to be creative at all.
00:35:56.000 I cannot draw, I cannot paint, I can't, I have a very hard.
00:36:00.000 I mean, I've even tried like music composition, which I can't, even though I play instruments.
00:36:08.000 I just don't see myself as creative enough to be able to do okay.
00:36:12.000 So it's a reflection of art without the creative element?
00:36:19.000 The creative aspect comes from being able to like design it yourself.
00:36:24.000 Yeah.
00:36:24.000 So like, yes, I came, I conceptualized this entire thing through analysis.
00:36:29.000 Okay.
00:36:30.000 I had an artist kind of draw out what I was writing visions.
00:36:34.000 And when I decided I like that, it's a reflection of my interests, my weather, my rocks, and just went from there.
00:36:43.000 Let me ask you this.
00:36:44.000 And actually, I will say, I wouldn't quite say you're changing my mind, but you've clarified some things.
00:36:50.000 I've had furries, by the way, on the show who they were there to distance themselves from some of the, you know, a lot of, a lot of, funny enough, not funny enough, but coincidentally enough, not a lot of death threats and radicalism comes from the furry community on the left.
00:37:03.000 And I know Charlie Kirk had to deal with that too.
00:37:05.000 But it sounds like you're saying this is a separate component, like people who might have a hobby.
00:37:10.000 Community, right?
00:37:11.000 It sounds like you'd find a sense of community.
00:37:13.000 The sense of community is supposed to ultimately enable you to function more effectively and be less lonely in society at large.
00:37:21.000 If you had a son and he said he wanted to become a furry and he was a young guy, would you be concerned because of the less tasteful components of the community?
00:37:33.000 Or would you say like, hey, it's great.
00:37:34.000 It's just like getting in soccer?
00:37:35.000 I mean, I would offer like words of caution, just like people with these kinds of things.
00:37:41.000 But ultimately, I'd be protecting whatever choice he chose.
00:37:46.000 And that's kind of what my parents do.
00:37:47.000 They know.
00:37:48.000 And they're actually very supportive.
00:37:50.000 Yeah.
00:37:51.000 Okay.
00:37:52.000 Twistalist may be too personal.
00:37:53.000 You don't have to answer, okay?
00:37:55.000 Hopefully, I've been respectful enough.
00:37:57.000 Do you have a girlfriend or is it a girlfriend you've never met because she's also, she too is in a furry mask?
00:38:11.000 No, no, no.
00:38:12.000 No, no.
00:38:13.000 Okay.
00:38:14.000 Okay.
00:38:15.000 So, you know, okay.
00:38:18.000 Yeah, all right.
00:38:19.000 What's the biggest misconception about the furry thing that you would say?
00:38:22.000 If you can right now tell the world, hey, furries are not X or Y.
00:38:28.000 I would say furries do not think that they're humans.
00:38:31.000 Okay.
00:38:32.000 But some do, but some do.
00:38:34.000 A very tiny proportion.
00:38:36.000 Like you're taking a very tiny proportion and applying it to everything.
00:38:39.000 Yeah.
00:38:39.000 I don't think I'm an animal.
00:38:40.000 I know I'm a human, and I know I'm a human in the way God made me.
00:38:43.000 Right.
00:38:44.000 Okay.
00:38:44.000 Let me have a final question.
00:38:46.000 Because I have a dog, the sweetest dog on the planet, but I guarantee you if he saw you like this, he'd go ape shit. 0.99
00:38:51.000 If a dog attacks a furry, you don't blame the dog. 0.99
00:38:55.000 Do you get it?
00:38:56.000 If the dog is, if the dog is unnerved, it must happen all the time.
00:39:02.000 I've never had any kind of experience.
00:39:04.000 For the most part, they're kind of scared.
00:39:07.000 Yeah?
00:39:09.000 I mean, my cat's kind of freaked out for the first time they're sitting there.
00:39:12.000 Okay, there you go.
00:39:13.000 So take a cat at 120 pounds of a cape.
00:39:15.000 And my dog would not like it.
00:39:17.000 He didn't like some people where they were working on the lawn with gators over their face.
00:39:21.000 And he like, it's the one time I saw him not like it.
00:39:24.000 This would drive him nuts.
00:39:25.000 So as long as you understand that, you know, I don't want furries going around blaming, having dogs euthanized because they acted, they're like, hey, this is weird.
00:39:32.000 I've never seen any kind of event like that.
00:39:33.000 Oh, it's not impossible.
00:39:35.000 Oh, I guarantee you it happens all the time.
00:39:37.000 One more thing I would like to clarify.
00:39:38.000 Yes, Twistle.
00:39:39.000 So, furry conventions in general are actually one of the best things for local charities.
00:39:45.000 I don't know if you're familiar with this, but usually every convention will be raising money for some kind of charity.
00:39:53.000 A lot of the times, it's like a local animal shelter.
00:39:56.000 Yeah.
00:39:56.000 For example, one convention I attended in Pittsburgh 2024 actually raised about $100,000.
00:40:04.000 That's great.
00:40:05.000 For local, I believe it was a shelter for senior dogs.
00:40:09.000 Okay.
00:40:10.000 And every year they do different ones, do different charities within the area.
00:40:16.000 These things raise tens of thousands of dollars.
00:40:18.000 All right.
00:40:18.000 Well, I think that's a great thing.
00:40:21.000 So, all right, well, Twistle, thank you.
00:40:22.000 We gotta, hopefully, if you can see the hand, we got other people who want to come up.
00:40:25.000 But thank you, man.
00:40:25.000 I appreciate it.
00:40:26.000 Thanks for illuminating the subject of furried them, I guess.
00:40:29.000 Thank you.
00:40:30.000 Thank you, man.
00:40:30.000 Be well.
00:40:36.000 I know we didn't really talk about Snap because the truth is there weren't that many takers, but Twistle was fun.
00:40:43.000 It was...
00:40:45.000 The conversation happened.
00:40:47.000 I mean, what, you think I'm not going to take the opportunity to talk with a furry who shows up in normal human society? 0.92
00:40:56.000 Of course I am.
00:40:57.000 It actually seemed like a decent person, guy.
00:41:03.000 Anyway, you know the thing.
00:41:04.000 Please stay tuned for the next installments of Change My Mind and let me know what kinds of conversations, what topics you would like to see.