Louder with Crowder - EPIC BERNIE VS. TED CRUZ LIVESTREAM! (With Crowder and Friends)

00:00:15.000 Thank you.

00:00:29.000 Thank you.

00:01:00.000 Alright, glad to be with you in this very special live stream.

00:01:03.000 Producing in the in-video studio, as always, is Jared, who is not gay. 0.99

00:01:08.000 Follow him in...

00:01:08.000 Oh, we need to shut that TV monitor off.

00:01:11.000 I'm here...

00:01:12.000 Oh, you know what?

00:01:13.000 I'm hearing myself...

00:01:14.000 On my computer, producing with the in-video studio, as always, if this is not a real show...

00:01:19.000 It's not real.

00:01:20.000 ...is Jared, who is not gay.

00:01:21.000 Follow him on Twitter at NotGayJarred, me at S. Crowder.

00:01:23.000 I fulfill my legal obligations to draw your own conclusions, and Gerald Morgan at G. Morgan Jr.

00:01:27.000 That's right, baby.

00:01:28.000 This is your first time in the studio.

00:01:30.000 That's right, yeah.

00:01:31.000 I feel...

00:01:31.000 Actually, it's not my first time in the studio, but, you know, in the studio.

00:01:34.000 Right.

00:01:36.000 Well, listen, we have tonight debate, Bernie Sanders versus Ted Cruz.

00:01:40.000 I'm looking forward to very much because I have not seen this yet.

00:01:45.000 We talked about this would be the purest form of debate.

00:01:48.000 We never got to see it in the primaries.

00:01:49.000 We never got to see it in the general election.

00:01:50.000 I always said, I want to see Ted Cruz versus Bernie Sanders.

00:01:53.000 It's only health care debate, but we have to go along tonight.

00:01:56.000 You thought we'd be done with the live streaming after presidential debates.

00:01:59.000 There's more.

00:02:00.000 There's more.

00:02:00.000 But wait, there's more.

00:02:02.000 AIDS. That's not on the table tonight to talk about, but that's always lurking behind the curtain. 0.98

00:02:07.000 I feel like you should have been up front about that.

00:02:08.000 So, is that program doing that, or is that just our TV monitor?

00:02:12.000 It keeps going black.

00:02:12.000 I think it's a TV monitor, I think.

00:02:13.000 Ah, you told me it was fixed.

00:02:14.000 You're fired.

00:02:15.000 Yeah, I may have lied.

00:02:16.000 So, beverages of choice tonight.

00:02:18.000 We have a drinking game.

00:02:19.000 Yes. 0.97

00:02:20.000 Bring up the drinking game, not gay, Jared, for people who don't know the rules. 1.00

00:02:23.000 Okay, you have to take a drink every time Bernie Sanders uses the word free access.

00:02:29.000 Don't pour that yet.

00:02:30.000 That's the hero shot.

00:02:31.000 Affordable.

00:02:31.000 You need to read this.

00:02:32.000 Wall Street.

00:02:33.000 You need to read this correctly.

00:02:34.000 Or if he says fair share.

00:02:35.000 You're not reading this correctly.

00:02:36.000 You have to read it as...

00:02:37.000 I can't.

00:02:37.000 My voice is shot.

00:02:39.000 People saw the Facebook live stream.

00:02:40.000 They can hear me right now. 0.93

00:02:41.000 I sound like Lindsay Lohan after an all-night bender with a lesbian DJ. You have to drink if Ted Cruz ever smiles uncomfortably. 0.94

00:02:49.000 Right away alcohol poisoning.

00:02:51.000 Starts a sentence or rebuttal with, well, says the words radical Islamic terrorism or freedom, or if he tells a personal story.

00:02:59.000 So, everybody, beverages up.

00:03:03.000 I sure hope you're using the vessel of choice.

00:03:08.000 The only one that will do.

00:03:10.000 I'm going to switch cameras here.

00:03:11.000 Look at this.

00:03:12.000 Look at that.

00:03:13.000 That is a perfect head.

00:03:15.000 Oh, hey, before we go to it, they're going to be streaming really quickly.

00:03:17.000 We have our own special guest tonight.

00:03:19.000 We haven't had him on the show in a while.

00:03:20.000 There you go.

00:03:21.000 Cheers. 1.00

00:03:22.000 By the end of tonight, I will hate you. 1.00

00:03:26.000 I will despise you. 1.00

00:03:27.000 That's actually pretty good. 0.92

00:03:28.000 A little coffee beer.

00:03:29.000 Not bad.

00:03:31.000 A special guest.

00:03:32.000 Jean-Guy Tremblay.

00:03:33.000 We haven't had him on in a while.

00:03:34.000 His journey for Bernie went viral.

00:03:36.000 He's a documentarian from Canada.

00:03:38.000 Jean-Guy will be checking in with you.

00:03:40.000 Are you there, sir?

00:03:43.000 Are you there?

00:03:43.000 Jean-Guy, are you there?

00:03:45.000 Is Jean-Guy there?

00:03:46.000 I don't think we're there.

00:03:47.000 He's got some funny Wi-Fi connection out there.

00:03:50.000 Jean-Guy's not there.

00:03:51.000 Let's see.

00:03:52.000 Hey, yeah, man.

00:03:53.000 Oh, he's there.

00:03:54.000 Glad to be there.

00:03:55.000 You know, my journey for Bernie is not finished at election.

00:03:58.000 You know, we can't forget the issue that matters.

00:04:01.000 So I'm ready to go and ready to watch that guy wash, use as like a broom on the floor with that guy, Ted Cruz, you know?

00:04:10.000 I don't know what that means.

00:04:11.000 I don't think...

00:04:12.000 Hey, Jean-Guy, I'm glad you came up, but I don't know what...

00:04:15.000 I don't think...

00:04:16.000 I don't know what you mean, use a broom on the floor.

00:04:18.000 Hey man, you know, that's not my first language.

00:04:21.000 Mop, I think that's for that one.

00:04:23.000 Oh, mop the floor with him.

00:04:25.000 Yeah, I know the rule, you know, you don't have to tell me two times.

00:04:27.000 Hey man, politic or no politic, that Labatt is going to be there anyway, you know.

00:04:32.000 Oh, so he'll be taking part in the drinking game, I assume.

00:04:34.000 Well, look, there he is already.

00:04:35.000 Just going for it.

00:04:37.000 All right, we need to bring up the stream.

00:04:38.000 Jared, you looking forward to this?

00:04:40.000 Yeah, man.

00:04:40.000 You seem scared.

00:04:40.000 I'm excited.

00:04:41.000 I appreciate you bringing me back when you can have beer on this side.

00:04:43.000 You don't seem very grateful.

00:04:44.000 For that, I throw a bottle cap at you.

00:04:46.000 Oh, I could have caught that if you're a good quarterback.

00:04:48.000 Tom Brady, you are not.

00:04:49.000 No, I'm not.

00:04:50.000 I'm more like the Falcons!

00:04:53.000 Let's bring this up.

00:04:54.000 Okay, there they are. 0.86

00:04:54.000 They're showing them crazy. 0.86

00:04:55.000 So tweet us.

00:04:56.000 What do you expect to see tonight?

00:04:57.000 I expect to see Ted Cruz laser in and Bernie Sanders promise free stuff and scream out words like socialism.

00:05:03.000 So let me see this.

00:05:05.000 Please take your positions behind the podiums.

00:05:08.000 All right.

00:05:09.000 Now, before your opening statements, I want to talk about the ground rules that you both agreed to.

00:05:14.000 You will get 90 seconds to answer questions posed to you, 45 seconds for responses and rebuttals.

00:05:19.000 Timing lights will guide you.

00:05:21.000 As we mentioned, a handful of members of our audience, which include both critics and defenders of the Affordable Care Act, will question you in addition to questions from Jake and myself.

00:05:31.000 As moderators, we will guide the debate.

00:05:33.000 And we will begin with two-minute opening statements on what should happen to health care in America.

00:05:38.000 Senator Sanders.

00:05:39.000 Let me begin by thanking CNN for sponsoring this debate, and let me thank all of those who are watching.

00:05:46.000 Let me get right to the point.

00:05:49.000 Senator Cruz, like most Republicans, has said that he wants to repeal the Affordable Care Act, or so-called Obamacare.

00:05:56.000 Let me tell you what that will mean to the American people.

00:06:01.000 It means that if you are one of 20 million Americans who finally has received health insurance, forget about it.

00:06:10.000 You're gone.

00:06:11.000 You're off health insurance.

00:06:13.000 And that means when you get sick, you ain't going to be able to go to the doctor.

00:06:17.000 And when you end up in the hospital, you'll be paying those bills for the rest of your life, or maybe you'll go bankrupt.

00:06:25.000 What the repeal of the ACA means that if you are one of 10 million senior citizens who today is struggling with the outrageous cost of prescription drugs, your prescription drug costs are going to go on average about $2,000.

00:06:43.000 What the repeal of the ACA means is that if you are suffering with cancer, with diabetes, With serious mental illness, you will be put into a position where you may be rejected from any insurance at all because you have a preexisting condition.

00:07:07.000 And by the way, women are considered a preexisting condition. 1.00

00:07:11.000 Conditioned by the insurance companies because they might have a baby.

00:07:16.000 He's hitting all the high notes here, isn't he?

00:07:17.000 He really is.

00:07:18.000 Is the ACA perfect?

00:07:20.000 Nobody believes that it is, and nobody believes that we do not need to improve it.

00:07:26.000 But the debate is whether we kill it entirely or we make improvements in it.

00:07:31.000 And I will tell you, overwhelming majority of the American people say, do not simply repeal the ACA, make improvements.

00:07:40.000 Last point.

00:07:41.000 The United States is the only major country on earth not to guarantee health care to all people as a right.

00:07:49.000 I believe we should move in that direction.

00:07:52.000 The ACA has been a step forward.

00:07:55.000 We have got to go further and join every other major country on earth and say that if you are an American, you are guaranteed health care.

00:08:03.000 We don't have to pay for any national defense!

00:08:07.000 Thank you, Senator Sanders.

00:08:09.000 Senator Cruz, what should happen with health care in America?

00:08:12.000 Well, Dan, I think...

00:08:13.000 Thank you.

00:08:17.000 Thank you guys for hosting this.

00:08:19.000 Thank you for Bernie for joining this.

00:08:22.000 And thank you to CNN for hosting this.

00:08:24.000 We have debates that are sound bites that are 60 seconds or 90 seconds on a topic.

00:08:30.000 And I appreciate CNN devoting real time to this issue because it matters.

00:08:35.000 Health care is personal in a way that is different from most other political issues.

00:08:41.000 Health care affects our families.

00:08:43.000 It's our moms. 0.57

00:08:44.000 Health care is our kids.

00:08:45.000 It's the future.

00:08:47.000 It can quite literally be whether we live or not.

00:08:49.000 Edward the sound guy has a bottle of red wine.

00:08:51.000 And this is an issue where Bernie Sanders and I have fundamentally different approaches.

00:08:57.000 Fundamentally should have been on the list.

00:08:58.000 Bernie and the Democrats want government to control health care.

00:09:04.000 I trust you.

00:09:05.000 And I trust your doctors.

00:09:07.000 I think healthcare works better when you're in charge of your family's healthcare decisions, when you can sit down with your doctor and decide the care that's best for your family without government setting rules, without government rationing, without wait periods.

00:09:23.000 And that's the fundamental divide we're having.

00:09:26.000 You know, six years ago when Obamacare was being adopted, it's possible that reasonable minds could have differed on whether this was a good idea.

00:09:34.000 But six years into it, we've seen the results.

00:09:38.000 We remember Obamacare.

00:09:40.000 A series of promises were made to us by President Obama.

00:09:44.000 Number one, most infamously, if you like your plan, you can keep your plan.

00:09:50.000 President Obama said that 37 different times.

00:09:54.000 As six million people across this country discovered that was not true when they had their plans canceled against their wishes.

00:10:02.000 If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

00:10:05.000 Again, millions discovered that wasn't true.

00:10:08.000 And President Obama promised the American people the average family's premiums would drop $2,500.

00:10:15.000 Not only wasn't that true, but the average family's premiums have risen $5,000.

00:10:21.000 That's why people are unhappy with this disaster of a law, because it's driven up the cost of health care. 0.99

00:10:26.000 It's reduced your choice.

00:10:28.000 It's reduced your freedom.

00:10:29.000 But didn't we say choice, freedom?

00:10:30.000 And this election was a referendum on Obamacare, and the American people quite rightly decided this plan didn't work.

00:10:38.000 Senator Cruz, thank you so much.

00:10:40.000 We have a lot of questions for both of you from members of the audience, but before we get to them, I want to ask about a pressing matter on Capitol Hill, and I'll start with you, Senator Cruz.

00:10:48.000 House Speaker Paul Ryan said today that the legislation to repeal and replace Obamacare would be done this year.

00:10:54.000 On Sunday, President Trump said that a plan may not be rolled out until 2018.

00:11:00.000 Not that it would, but that it may not be rolled out until 2018.

00:11:03.000 Is anything less than a full and swift repeal and replacement of Obamacare a broken promise?

00:11:10.000 Listen, I think everyone agrees there is an urgency to honor the promises we made.

00:11:16.000 You know, since Obamacare was passed, we've had multiple elections, 2010, 2014, 2016.

00:11:24.000 Where the number one issue in each of those elections was Obamacare.

00:11:27.000 And, you know, what we're arguing here was argued in front of the American people.

00:11:30.000 The Democrats said over and over again, if Obamacare is here, all of these people are going to vote.

00:11:34.000 I'm in for a rough night, guys.

00:11:36.000 We're going to get into that.

00:11:37.000 We're very sorry.

00:11:38.000 That was the argument that was made to the American people.

00:11:40.000 Did he skip 2012, by the way?

00:11:41.000 2010, 2014, 2016.

00:11:44.000 I believe we're a mandate from the voters.

00:11:46.000 They said we're tired of premiums going up.

00:11:49.000 We're tired of deductibles going up.

00:11:51.000 We're tired of losing our doctors of less choices.

00:11:54.000 So yes, should Congress move swiftly to repeal Obamacare?

00:11:57.000 That's borderline.

00:11:58.000 Nobody thinks we're done once Obamacare is repealed.

00:12:03.000 Once Obamacare is repealed, we need common sense reform that increases competition, that empowers patients, that gives you more choices, that puts you in charge of your health care rather than empowering government bureaucrats to get in the way.

00:12:16.000 And these have been common sense ideas, I would note, that for six years Republicans have been proposing.

00:12:21.000 And for six years Democrats have been fighting, saying no changes at all to Obamacare, even as people were hurting And losing their coverage.

00:12:30.000 This election is about honoring the promises we made to the people who...

00:12:34.000 Senator Sanders?

00:12:35.000 Well, the truth is that the Republicans are now in a panic.

00:12:40.000 Because clearly, their back's against the wall, Bernie.

00:12:40.000 Yes.

00:12:44.000 The absolute repeal...

00:12:46.000 I've got them right where I want them!

00:12:48.000 Without improvements in it, without a plan to make it better, would be an absolute disaster.

00:12:54.000 So when Ted talks about giving people choice, here's your choice.

00:12:58.000 You got cancer and you go to the doctor and the insurance company says we're not going to cover it.

00:13:04.000 We can't make money on you because you have cancer.

00:13:07.000 You have a pre-existing condition.

00:13:10.000 Yes.

00:13:11.000 And here's another choice you can have.

00:13:13.000 If you have diabetes and you are spending a whole lot on health insurance, the insurance companies will say, sorry, we're only going to spend X dollars because we've got to make money off you.

00:13:28.000 That's the function of private insurance.

00:13:31.000 Do you hear what he just did?

00:13:33.000 He just vilified the entire business model for which insurance companies exist.

00:13:40.000 They exist in order to take risks, to take calculated risks.

00:13:46.000 So can you believe it?

00:13:47.000 If you go in and you're eating fried Snickers and Oreos, the insurance company won't cover you!

00:13:53.000 Yes, Bernie. 1.00

00:13:54.000 Just like they shouldn't cover you because you're mentally insane. 1.00

00:13:56.000 I wouldn't cover your Prozac. 0.98

00:13:58.000 Before we had the Affordable Care Act.

00:14:01.000 You know, it is interesting to hear so much of the Democratic rhetoric that government controlling your health care is always justified by saying the insurance companies are terrible.

00:14:14.000 Now, this is an example of what John Adams famously said.

00:14:18.000 Facts are stubborn things.

00:14:19.000 Let's talk about some facts.

00:14:20.000 In 2008, the ten largest insurance companies in America made just over $8 billion profit.

00:14:28.000 In 2016, 2015 rather, those same 10 largest companies made $15 billion in profit.

00:14:36.000 Insurance company profits have doubled under Obamacare.

00:14:41.000 That was the result.

00:14:41.000 Bernie helped write Obamacare.

00:14:44.000 That's an important point, too.

00:14:46.000 Bernie vilifies the business of insurance companies, but Obamacare basically forced people to buy private insurance.

00:14:52.000 Yes.

00:14:52.000 They couldn't deny for pre-existing conditions, but there were no caps on premiums or deductibles.

00:14:57.000 So it really was a way for them to sort of weasel in and act like they were working on behalf of the little guy, as they've always claimed, and the little guy voted for Donald Trump in response, while providing a big kickback to insurance companies, who, by and large, favored Democrats that election cycle.

00:15:10.000 And you know who's making out like gangbusters?

00:15:12.000 The insurance companies and those in government whose solution is let's have even more government control.

00:15:18.000 This thing isn't working.

00:15:19.000 You know, here I find myself in agreement with Ted.

00:15:23.000 The function of insurance companies is not to provide quality health care to all people to make as much money as they possibly can.

00:15:32.000 Ted, let's work together on a Medicare for All single-payer program.

00:15:36.000 So we're finally going to get...

00:15:38.000 See, in his circles when he showed up to Black Lives Matter in college bong circles, this kind of argument is considered...

00:15:45.000 We are the only major country on earth that allows private insurance companies to run the system.

00:15:52.000 But it's not only the points that Ted made about the insurance companies.

00:15:56.000 We're also the only country that invents the largest portion of drugs that come to market.

00:16:01.000 It's not even close.

00:16:02.000 We cured things.

00:16:03.000 We invent things.

00:16:06.000 It happens.

00:16:06.000 We cured so anything that there were super bacteria that developed other things!

00:16:10.000 Ted, let's work together.

00:16:12.000 We're going to get those insurance companies out of healthcare. 1.00

00:16:14.000 We'll move to a Medicare for All healthcare program. 0.97

00:16:18.000 He's a smart ass. 1.00

00:16:19.000 He's kind of a little bitch when he gets upset. 1.00

00:16:22.000 I would love to respond. 1.00

00:16:25.000 You're not going to support that.

00:16:26.000 Well, actually, what I still will say, Bernie, is I would love for us to work together going after big pharma.

00:16:32.000 And in particular, taking on the FDA. Right now, it takes $2 billion to approve a new drug.

00:16:39.000 Now, I've introduced legislation to reform the FDA process so that new health care, so that we can be curing diseases and we can be helping people.

00:16:47.000 But we should probably check in with Jean-Guy.

00:16:48.000 Jean-Guy, are you there, sir?

00:16:50.000 Are you watching thus far?

00:16:51.000 Amen!

00:16:51.000 I'm doing okay.

00:16:52.000 My boy is doing good.

00:16:56.000 I don't know about that.

00:16:58.000 That's a real party.

00:17:01.000 Okay, Shang-Gi. 0.86

00:17:03.000 Shang-Gi. 0.99

00:17:04.000 He's having a good time.

00:17:05.000 This is going to end well for him.

00:17:07.000 Taking on Pharma.

00:17:09.000 Which is the greediest of many greedy corporate interests in Washington.

00:17:14.000 And I'll tell you what, I'm going to introduce legislation to have Medicare negotiate prices with the pharmaceutical industry.

00:17:23.000 I'm going to introduce again legislation.

00:17:26.000 To allow Americans to buy less expensive medicine in Canada, the UK, and other countries.

00:17:32.000 Let's take on the greed of pharma, substantially lower prescription drug costs.

00:17:37.000 And Dan, let me make a response to this, because this is a good discussion.

00:17:39.000 The whole point of having an extended discussion is to say, as you know, with drug reimportation, bringing in drugs from Canada and other countries, just a couple of weeks ago on the Senate floor, I voted with you.

00:17:49.000 You voted for my amendment.

00:17:50.000 In support of that, in support of allowing drug reimportation.

00:17:54.000 You voted for my amendment.

00:17:54.000 It was the right thing to do, but I'll tell you, a much bigger barrier than that is the fact that, you know, in the last 20 years, the FDA has approved only three child cancer drugs in 20 years.

00:18:08.000 Because the burdens are so great.

00:18:10.000 I introduced legislation that said if a drug is approved in another major country, if it's approved in Europe or Japan or our major respected partners, that the FDA has got 30 days to approve it here.

00:18:21.000 We shouldn't be telling people with life-threatening diseases you can't do everything you can to save your lives.

00:18:28.000 That would be a great thing.

00:18:29.000 We'd make news if you and I joined up on that.

00:18:31.000 But that is not the major problem.

00:18:33.000 The major problem with the pharmaceutical industry is, you know what?

00:18:36.000 They could double or triple the prices you pay.

00:18:39.000 There we go, yes.

00:18:45.000 Have you been here this whole time?

00:18:47.000 So good to see you.

00:18:49.000 We do want to talk more about that later, but I want to get to some of the questions from our audience.

00:18:54.000 One of the most popular parts of Obamacare is, as you mentioned earlier, requiring insurance companies to cover people with pre-existing conditions.

00:19:02.000 If Obamacare is repealed, 52 million Americans could lose that guaranteed coverage because of their medical histories.

00:19:10.000 One of them is Neosha Ponder, who is fighting breast cancer and currently undergoing radiation treatment.

00:19:17.000 Oh, God, I know.

00:19:20.000 Norwegian again.

00:19:21.000 To ensure the provisions are in place so that half of my paycheck won't be spent on health care.

00:19:26.000 I didn't ask for cancer.

00:19:28.000 I never smoked.

00:19:29.000 I never drank a lot.

00:19:31.000 I've lived a pretty healthy lifestyle.

00:19:32.000 I fear that if I don't have Obamacare, if I'm not covered, then my pre-existing condition of breast cancer and remaining treatments will make it difficult for me to afford insurance.

00:19:48.000 Senator Cruz, what can you do to protect people like me who are alive because of Obamacare?

00:19:55.000 Well, Neil, thank you for asking that question.

00:19:57.000 How long have you been diagnosed with breast cancer?

00:20:00.000 I was diagnosed on April 25, 2016.

00:20:03.000 Wow.

00:20:03.000 Well, you're doing great.

00:20:05.000 You know, our prayers are with you.

00:20:07.000 I'll tell you, my mom had breast cancer. 0.96

00:20:09.000 And my mom was diagnosed in 2000.

00:20:11.000 election night.

00:20:12.000 ...as she went through two surgeries.

00:20:15.000 I don't have any beer.

00:20:15.000 Gerald, do your job.

00:20:16.000 I'm working on it.

00:20:17.000 ...later.

00:20:18.000 Thank God she is a survivor.

00:20:20.000 And I will tell you, our medical innovation has been incredible dealing with breast cancer.

00:20:24.000 So all of us, our prayers and thoughts are with you.

00:20:27.000 Thank you.

00:20:28.000 You know, you asked about people who get sick and not wanting your insurance canceled, not wanting your premiums to go up.

00:20:33.000 That's absolutely right.

00:20:34.000 That is absolutely right.

00:20:36.000 And if you look at every proposal that's been submitted, every significant proposal that's been submitted to replace Obamacare, to fix the problems in the health care system after Obamacare has gotten rid of, all of them protect people in your situations.

00:20:51.000 All of them prohibit insurance companies from canceling someone because they got sick.

00:20:55.000 They prohibit insurance companies from jacking up the insurance rate because they got sick or injured. 0.99

00:21:00.000 This is uninteresting with Loeys shit. 1.00

00:21:03.000 There you go. 1.00

00:21:05.000 Look, it pours this can.

00:21:06.000 It's the whole can.

00:21:07.000 Look, it's the old whole can.

00:21:08.000 How fun is that?

00:21:09.000 I've never even seen it before.

00:21:10.000 It's even enhanced by the mug club.

00:21:12.000 It enhances everything, this mug club.

00:21:13.000 I think it's for alcoholics who want to drink beer faster.

00:21:15.000 I think that's the invention there.

00:21:17.000 Just hook it to my veins! 0.76

00:21:19.000 Yeah, pretty much.

00:21:20.000 Senator Sanders' response?

00:21:20.000 I cannot believe what you just said.

00:21:23.000 It's a direct contradiction to everything you ran for president on.

00:21:27.000 What Ted has said is he wants to get rid of all federal mandates.

00:21:31.000 Did you say that a hundred times?

00:21:32.000 I didn't say it once.

00:21:34.000 I will...

00:21:35.000 Get rid of every word of Obamacare.

00:21:41.000 Excuse me.

00:21:41.000 The only way that we are going to make sure...

00:21:45.000 Before this debate, he was in the green room with a voodoo doll and pins! 0.94

00:21:51.000 I don't even know how I got here!

00:21:53.000 I came in playing Pokemon Go!

00:21:55.000 Is to make sure that no... 1.00

00:21:59.000 Where the fucking pig? 1.00

00:22:00.000 ...can say no to you or to anybody else. 1.00

00:22:04.000 Now, Ted thinks that's a terrible government intrusion.

00:22:09.000 I chose tonight.

00:22:11.000 I should have known better.

00:22:11.000 to do.

00:22:13.000 So when you hear Ted and other Republicans say, we're going to get rid of all of Obama, we're going to leave it to the states.

00:22:19.000 Well, what do you think the states are going to do?

00:22:21.000 You think they're going to maintain the ability to protect people with pre-existing conditions?

00:22:28.000 You mean the risk pool that Texas had to take care of everybody like her in that situation? 0.91

00:22:31.000 That's what we would have done?

00:22:33.000 It would have been perfect, actually, if you do that.

00:22:35.000 Could you just clarify?

00:22:36.000 Will you support anything that doesn't mandate people with pre-existing conditions continue to have coverage?

00:22:43.000 Look, my response, as I said hundreds of times on the campaign trail, yes, we should repeal every word of Obamacare.

00:22:49.000 But if you listen to the next sentence, I always said, we're not done yet with health care reform, and we do that.

00:22:55.000 We need health care reform and the principles of health care reform.

00:22:59.000 They should expand competition.

00:23:02.000 They should empower patients.

00:23:03.000 And they should keep government from getting between you and your doctor.

00:23:06.000 I talked about all sorts of common sense ideas to do just that.

00:23:11.000 And as I said, a proposal that is consistent in virtually every one of the pieces of Republican legislation that's been filed is a prohibition on insurance companies canceling people because they got sick.

00:23:22.000 And, you know, Bernie, it's easy to say to people, gosh, you're going to lose your coverage.

00:23:27.000 What do the Democrats say?

00:23:28.000 To the six million people who had their health insurance canceled...

00:23:32.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:23:34.000 Thank you, sir.

00:23:35.000 Every cartoon who sees a really attractive other girl cartoon... 1.00

00:23:39.000 What happens if tomorrow you wake up and you go to the doctor and you discover that you have cancer?

00:23:48.000 All right?

00:23:49.000 You just discovered it.

00:23:50.000 And the insurance companies say, hey, you're not a good deal for us.

00:23:53.000 We can't make money off of you.

00:23:55.000 You will not get that health insurance.

00:23:58.000 So I think when people like Ted talk about repealing Obamacare, repealing government mandates, this is a government mandate, and it is a damn good mandate and a humane mandate.

00:24:12.000 And, Senator Cruz, if you would answer now...

00:24:14.000 I want you to argue the constitutionality of a mandate.

00:24:18.000 You're saying that she will continue to have health care, she and others, who have pre-existing conditions, and you're going to make sure that that is a mandate and a requirement in whatever legislation we support?

00:24:30.000 What I've said is virtually all of the Republican legislation that has been filed that the Democrats have opposed.

00:24:35.000 It maintains a continuity of coverage so that insurance companies can't cancel policies.

00:24:40.000 And, you know, the question I asked a minute ago that Bernie chose not to answer is, what do the Democrats say to the six million people who had their insurance policies canceled, who got a notification in the mail that you don't get to see your doctors anymore, and not just the people who were canceled?

00:24:55.000 There are people all over this country who can't afford health insurance because of Obamacare, who the deductibles are so high, the premiums are so high, they say, you know what, my family, we can't make it on this.

00:25:06.000 Personal story.

00:25:06.000 And, you know, you talk about the people covered by Obamacare.

00:25:09.000 Here's something most people don't know.

00:25:10.000 Smile uncomfortably.

00:25:11.000 Most of the people covered by Obamacare are on Medicaid.

00:25:15.000 They jammed a bunch more people in Medicaid.

00:25:18.000 I'll tell you what happens.

00:25:19.000 People on Medicaid had markedly worse health outcomes than people with private insurance.

00:25:25.000 I'd like to see a lot more people on private insurance.

00:25:28.000 Wait, wait, you're speaking truth.

00:25:29.000 Let's go.

00:25:30.000 Cut to Bernie.

00:25:31.000 But it's relevant.

00:25:32.000 He's saying people are going to lose their health care.

00:25:34.000 If you want health care, we want as many people as possible to be able to afford insurance policies that protect you when you get sick.

00:25:41.000 Bernie's entire role here is to simply take from a less oppressed class to give to an oppressed class, which is typically a minority.

00:25:49.000 That's what it is.

00:25:49.000 He doesn't consider the fact that what about everyone else who has to pay two, three times the price for their premiums?

00:25:53.000 They don't matter because they're moderately successful.

00:25:56.000 That is what Ted said.

00:25:58.000 But he also said, if you have an illness, it has to be kept.

00:26:02.000 But really, we are moving into an era where millions of people who develop terrible illnesses will not be able to get insurance, and God only knows how many of them will die.

00:26:13.000 So, Senator Sanders, you just heard Senator Cruz bring up an issue that a lot of Americans...

00:26:16.000 By the way, I also think Donald Trump said he was going to keep the pre-existing clause, which is silly and it doesn't work, but he did say that, so it's kind of a moot point.

00:26:22.000 ...so that their insurance is unaffordable.

00:26:24.000 One of them is in our audience right now.

00:26:26.000 Her name is Melissa Borkowski.

00:26:28.000 She's a nurse practitioner from Florida. 0.95

00:26:30.000 She's a mother of four.

00:26:31.000 She and her husband are paying more than $1,000 a month to insure their family for a plan with a $13,000 deductible.

00:26:38.000 Melissa?

00:26:38.000 Is she going to give us the spiel about healthy lifestyle here?

00:26:39.000 Good evening, Senators.

00:26:40.000 Thank you for your time.

00:26:42.000 As he said, I'm a nurse practitioner.

00:26:44.000 I've worked in healthcare for over 25 years now.

00:26:46.000 But under Obamacare, I'm not able to get the health services I need for myself or my family.

00:26:51.000 Last year, I had a very abnormal pap smear and needed additional...

00:26:54.000 Can we add pap smear?

00:26:57.000 Pap smear?

00:26:58.000 I'm drinking.

00:26:59.000 Either way, I'm drinking.

00:27:00.000 So I wasn't able to afford to get those tests done.

00:27:03.000 So now I sit here wondering if I have an undiagnosed cancer.

00:27:07.000 And that will eventually take me away from my four children.

00:27:10.000 Who says I want to go on national TV? My plan premiums plus deductible cost over $25,000 for the year.

00:27:16.000 And it covers little more than basic preventative services.

00:27:19.000 Senator Sanders, my question is...

00:27:22.000 Thank you for opening up about your smear of pap.

00:27:24.000 ...to pay so much money for an insurance plan that is essentially useless.

00:27:29.000 I understand that not all smears of pap are equal.

00:27:32.000 Melissa.

00:27:34.000 You ask a great question, and the answer is, it is totally absurd.

00:27:37.000 It is totally absurd.

00:27:38.000 It should be free.

00:27:39.000 I will personally conduct your next sphere of power in my Senate chambers.

00:27:46.000 Cut off.

00:27:49.000 The real question, which is never talked about, or very rarely talked about, is why we end up spending, as a nation, Twice as much per capita on healthcare as do the people of any other country.

00:28:02.000 If you're in Canada, you know what?

00:28:04.000 You would get the healthcare that you need.

00:28:05.000 No, you would just die, actually.

00:28:06.000 If you were in the UK, France, Germany, Scandinavia, you would get the healthcare you need.

00:28:10.000 You would get ripped by a towel head, but then you would get the... 0.98

00:28:13.000 The idea that we have policies like that, like the one you described, is clearly an outrage and should tell every American...

00:28:23.000 Your plan did it.

00:28:24.000 Your plan made it happen.

00:28:27.000 And it's an outrage.

00:28:30.000 Your $13,000 deductible, which didn't exist prior to Obamacare for most people.

00:28:35.000 Thank you very much, Bernie.

00:28:37.000 Senator Cruz?

00:28:39.000 You know, Melissa, I'm sorry for the challenges you're facing.

00:28:43.000 There are many people in America struggling with exactly what you are in the wreckage of Obamacare, with skyrocketing premiums, with deductibles that are unaffordable, and with really limited care.

00:28:53.000 And I will commend Bernie for his candor.

00:28:55.000 I mean, his view all along was that we need government-run and government-controlled health care for everyone.

00:29:01.000 And indeed, as he said here tonight, he thinks other countries do it a lot better than America.

00:29:06.000 He often points to Canada, the United Kingdom.

00:29:08.000 He says, why do we pay more?

00:29:10.000 Well, there's a reason we pay more than those countries.

00:29:12.000 We get a lot more and a lot better health care.

00:29:15.000 Let me give you some basic facts.

00:29:16.000 As I noticed in all the Democratic primary debates, there was no discussion of the facts on the other side.

00:29:22.000 Which is not true.

00:29:22.000 The United States, population controlled, delivers three times as many mammograms as Europe.

00:29:29.000 Two and a half times the number of MRI scans and 31% more C-sections.

00:29:34.000 We provide more health care, not only that.

00:29:36.000 Zero through Planned Parenthood, by the way.

00:29:37.000 In the United Kingdom, for example, wait times.

00:29:39.000 In 2013, you waited 72 days for cataract surgery.

00:29:42.000 You waited 89 days for hip replacement, 95 days for knee replacement.

00:29:48.000 There are 3.7 million people in the United Kingdom right now on a waiting list.

00:29:53.000 Whenever you put government in charge of health care, what it means is they ration, they decide, you get care and you don't.

00:30:02.000 I don't think the government has any business telling you you're not entitled to receive health care.

00:30:08.000 He may seem stiff, he may seem staccato, but he just brought a litany of facts and statistics, and then Bernie will say, I don't think they have the right to deny you.

00:30:18.000 It's a human right.

00:30:20.000 Watch.

00:30:21.000 ...empower you and put you back in charge of your health care.

00:30:24.000 Senator Cruz, thank you.

00:30:25.000 Senator Sanders, let me ask you, just as part of Melissa's question...

00:30:30.000 Bernie, can you go back to your podium?

00:30:32.000 ...through Obamacare, through the insurance exchange, there was a nearly 25% decline in the number of insurers.

00:30:42.000 They're not looking.

00:30:43.000 There are five states that only have one insurer providing insurance on the exchange. 0.97

00:30:48.000 He's like crazy.

00:30:50.000 Have both choice and manageable costs. 0.96

00:30:52.000 Too many words.

00:30:53.000 Get back to Melissa.

00:30:55.000 There we go.

00:30:55.000 The emotional deal.

00:30:57.000 Drake.

00:30:58.000 Drake, he was predictable.

00:30:59.000 You said it was a rule.

00:31:00.000 True.

00:31:00.000 Ted talks about the problems that exist in other countries in terms of waiting lines.

00:31:05.000 He talks about rationing.

00:31:08.000 We have enormous rationing in this country.

00:31:11.000 Wait, really?

00:31:12.000 When you have 28 million people who have no health insurance, that's rationing.

00:31:18.000 When you have people who can't afford to go to the doctor or can't afford to buy prescription drugs.

00:31:23.000 One out of five Americans can't afford the prescription drugs that doctors prescribe.

00:31:28.000 That's called rationing.

00:31:30.000 Except there's no rule on that.

00:31:32.000 There's no war on that.

00:31:33.000 It's just people don't have the money to buy what they need.

00:31:38.000 In terms of health care.

00:31:39.000 To answer your question, Jake, what I have long supported within the context of Obamacare as we move toward a Medicare for All single-pay program is a public option.

00:31:52.000 There should be a Medicare-type public option available in all exchanges in all states in this country.

00:32:00.000 And I think that would substantially lower the cost Of health care in this country and provide real competition to the private sector.

00:32:08.000 See, Ted Cruz said this debt, this debt, this debt, these premiums, and he's saying, I believe if we do this, that would maybe.

00:32:13.000 He's dealing with phantom fears and phantom theories.

00:32:16.000 That is socialism versus free enterprise.

00:32:19.000 I love this debate.

00:32:20.000 Well, and we're talking about health insurance, not health care.

00:32:22.000 Let's make sure we understand that.

00:32:24.000 Good point, Gerald.

00:32:25.000 Health insurance plans, that's it.

00:32:26.000 Oh, he brought a prop.

00:32:28.000 He brought a map of Sprint.

00:32:31.000 The coverage is within 1%.

00:32:35.000 It's really quite striking that the communities that have been hammered by this disaster of a law said enough already.

00:32:42.000 Now, Bernie likes talking about a public option.

00:32:45.000 That's another way of saying government control of your health care.

00:32:48.000 It's socialized medicine.

00:32:50.000 And what does it mean?

00:32:51.000 Every country where it's been applied, you've seen rationing, you've seen government deciding, especially seniors.

00:32:57.000 Seniors, you don't get the health care you need. 1.00

00:32:59.000 Now, Bernie mentions Canada quite a bit.

00:33:01.000 I know quite a bit about Canadian health care.

00:33:03.000 I was born there.

00:33:05.000 You know, Bernie, that may be the best argument against your position.

00:33:09.000 Because people are going to look at Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders and say, I want to look like the guy on the left.

00:33:20.000 There is a picture of health.

00:33:23.000 He's softening himself up a little bit to the audience.

00:33:25.000 I'm reminded of a comment Ronald Reagan used to say about East Berlin, about the Berlin Wall.

00:33:30.000 He said, the funny thing the leftists never seem to notice, the machine guns all point one direction.

00:33:37.000 Everyone was fleeing communism and coming to freedom.

00:33:40.000 If you look at socialized medicine, people leave their tens and hundreds of thousands every year, leave socialized medicine countries because they want to get a hip replacement, a knee replacement.

00:33:50.000 You know, the governor of one of the Canadian provinces came to America to get heart surgery, and he was a governor in Canada.

00:33:57.000 And by the way, in your home state of Vermont, your hospitals advertise with Canadian flags.

00:34:02.000 Come to American hospitals, you'll get better health care.

00:34:05.000 I don't want to mess up our health care.

00:34:08.000 I want patients, all of us, to be in charge of our health care, not government deciding what health care is.

00:34:13.000 Bernie Sanders can't close his mouth.

00:34:14.000 Look at that.

00:34:15.000 He looks like he's trying to, like, find out time to pass a kidney stone later.

00:34:20.000 As you well know...

00:34:26.000 It's okay.

00:34:27.000 It's okay.

00:34:28.000 I drank some Mountain Dew earlier.

00:34:31.000 I don't think we need to see those countries junking their healthcare systems, in which, by the way, poll after poll shows, not that they don't have problems.

00:34:40.000 Of course they have problems.

00:34:41.000 Every healthcare system in the world has problems.

00:34:43.000 But I am not seeing those countries junking their universal healthcare system, which provide healthcare to all of their people at one-half times.

00:34:53.000 The cost per capita.

00:34:54.000 What did I tell you?

00:34:55.000 I don't see conservative prime ministers doing that to go to the American healthcare system.

00:34:59.000 Our system is wasteful.

00:35:01.000 It is dysfunctional.

00:35:02.000 It is incredibly bureaucratic.

00:35:05.000 Yes, it is.

00:35:05.000 The health insurance system.

00:35:06.000 He thinks he's so wrong.

00:35:07.000 The people may not be complaining because they're getting free things, but the governments are being forced to move toward a more privatized plan, as Canada did.

00:35:14.000 In the Supreme Court's case, we've talked about it.

00:35:17.000 They're moving our way while Bernie wants us to move their way.

00:35:20.000 They've already run out of money.

00:35:21.000 They're done.

00:35:22.000 And Bernie never talks about it.

00:35:26.000 There are 11,000 people watching this right now.

00:35:33.000 What are you doing on Tuesday night?

00:35:35.000 What are you doing?

00:35:36.000 What are you doing?

00:35:37.000 That's great.

00:35:37.000 Let's just insult our entire audience.

00:35:39.000 Oh, there's 7,000 now.

00:35:40.000 Weird.

00:35:42.000 Come back.

00:35:43.000 Those watching, tweet me.

00:35:45.000 What are you drinking this evening?

00:35:46.000 We had Shiner and we had a Four Corners local buzz.

00:35:49.000 So let's talk about, for example, Wait, you were supposed to bring notes?

00:35:55.000 Bernie's matching a move for move.

00:35:57.000 He goes to the podium, I go to the podium.

00:36:01.000 It turned away three women who were in labor Because they couldn't take care of him.

00:36:06.000 In Worcester, England, a man was left on an ambulance gurney for five hours.

00:36:11.000 Did he just laugh?

00:36:12.000 Did it sound like he was laughing when he said that?

00:36:13.000 A little bit.

00:36:14.000 And he waited seven hours before he received a stannin angioplasty.

00:36:18.000 Someone on AR-15 2PO says, is Bernie part of the garage people?

00:36:22.000 Life-saving surgery for a patient with esophageal cancer because there were no free beds in the intensive care unit.

00:36:30.000 One more example in Wales.

00:36:32.000 An 82-year-old woman who had fallen waited eight hours on the floor before an ambulance arrived.

00:36:40.000 Her daughter sat beside her in the ordeal, described it as one of the longest nights of our life.

00:36:46.000 This is what happened when government takes over health care.

00:36:50.000 Every example on earth.

00:36:52.000 The result is rationing and waiting periods, and you, the citizens, being told, no, you can't have the health care you want.

00:36:58.000 I'm drinking whiskey, Nicole Christie says.

00:36:59.000 Juice says.

00:37:00.000 Aaron, saltfist says drinking Elysium split shot.

00:37:06.000 No TV, thanks for streaming.

00:37:09.000 You're welcome.

00:37:11.000 We should be proud of that.

00:37:12.000 But if you are working class...

00:37:16.000 You're going to be having a very difficult time affording the outrageous cost of health care.

00:37:22.000 That's what Melissa just told us a moment ago.

00:37:24.000 Now, estimate's different, but let's be clear about this.

00:37:27.000 Every single year, tens of thousands of our fellow Americans die because they don't go to the doctor when they should.

00:37:42.000 I'm doing okay.

00:37:45.000 My guy is, you know, he's Bernie.

00:37:50.000 He's doing good, you know. 1.00

00:37:53.000 I feel strong, fucked. 0.99

00:37:56.000 I feel fresh. 1.00

00:37:57.000 Good.

00:37:59.000 Okay, we'll check back with you.

00:38:02.000 The only honest man on the side of Bernie Sanders.

00:38:05.000 Let's go back to Bernie.

00:38:06.000 We just heard that story a moment ago.

00:38:09.000 And some of those people die, and others end up in the hospital at outrageous costs for illnesses that could have been treated initially at far less cost.

00:38:20.000 So please don't tell me about rationing.

00:38:23.000 This country has more rationing than any other industrialized country.

00:38:26.000 You made no point to that at all.

00:38:28.000 Except the rationing is done by...

00:38:34.000 We're going to take a very quick break.

00:38:37.000 The debate will continue right after this with Senators Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders.

00:38:41.000 Stay with us.

00:38:42.000 Okay, so let's do a scorecard here.

00:38:45.000 We can turn on the air for a bit, right?

00:38:47.000 How much is that going to mess up the sound?

00:38:50.000 Let's turn on the air here.

00:38:51.000 It's too hot in the studio.

00:38:52.000 If you hear a little bit of buzzing, it's the air.

00:38:53.000 I like sweating.

00:38:54.000 Or Jared pissing himself.

00:38:57.000 He does a very low tolerance.

00:39:00.000 Hey, Sound Guy Edward, make sure the temperature is below the room temperature.

00:39:04.000 Okay.

00:39:06.000 He never knows.

00:39:07.000 He'll turn on the air and it's 75 in the room and he sits at the 78.

00:39:11.000 Thank you for all of your tweets.

00:39:13.000 We have a scorecard.

00:39:14.000 Genuinely, if you're looking at this as an objective observer, who's getting better at this?

00:39:20.000 Ted Cruz.

00:39:21.000 But again, you're making emotional arguments to people who respond very well to emotional arguments.

00:39:26.000 I think the people who like Bernie are still going to like Bernie because they don't care about the facts or statistics.

00:39:30.000 I mean, they supported his economic plan.

00:39:33.000 They have a very casual relationship with stats and statistics, okay?

00:39:37.000 They don't really want good healthcare.

00:39:39.000 They just want an insurance plan that says, I can go and live my life, eat what I want, never exercise, make really bad decisions, and then one day, poof, I'm in bad shape and I need your help.

00:39:48.000 How about the people that do take care of themselves and spend time, effort, and money getting checkups and doing all kinds of stuff?

00:39:53.000 By the way, tons of that stuff is free.

00:39:55.000 It doesn't cost you a thing.

00:39:56.000 By the way, also, those people are the ones much more likely to see as far as a comparative increase in their premiums.

00:40:01.000 Because the people who are healthy, people who take care of themselves...

00:40:05.000 This guy, right here.

00:40:07.000 You're right there with Letitia.

00:40:09.000 Thank you.

00:40:11.000 Watch, Gerald will be the next time in the hall.

00:40:12.000 I keep myself very healthy.

00:40:16.000 I do not eat whiskey cake, Gerald.

00:40:19.000 Wait, no, that's not true.

00:40:21.000 It is.

00:40:21.000 We split it, and now you split in the loosest sense of the word.

00:40:25.000 I looked down.

00:40:26.000 I was like, how did that happen?

00:40:27.000 So I think that is important.

00:40:29.000 People need to realize that the people who do take care of themselves, the people who you actually want insurance companies betting on, they're the ones more likely to have to pay more and dropping out.

00:40:38.000 Yes.

00:40:38.000 You know, the person who's most likely to drop out of insurance right now...

00:40:41.000 A, it's really hard now because the government's going to penalize you at gunpoint.

00:40:44.000 But the person most likely to drop out is that college student who's an athlete, who's super fit, who's super healthy, who did all these things to try and bring their insurance premiums down and instead saw them go up.

00:40:54.000 And that's the exact kind of person you need in the healthcare insurance risk pool to mitigate it for the person with the smear of pap.

00:41:04.000 Oh, man.

00:41:05.000 You want me in your insurance pool.

00:41:06.000 You really do.

00:41:07.000 I'm the ringer.

00:41:08.000 I would prefer thank you.

00:41:11.000 Yes, I'm paying for you to have these surgeries and pap smears that go awry, apparently, and now you want me to pay more.

00:41:18.000 I'm okay paying a little bit more, right?

00:41:20.000 I'm okay helping make sure there's a backstop.

00:41:22.000 But that's not what he's talking about.

00:41:23.000 We had that already.

00:41:25.000 We had the backstop in Texas for sure, right?

00:41:27.000 The big risk pool.

00:41:28.000 If you had a pre-existing condition, you went there.

00:41:29.000 You know how I know that?

00:41:30.000 I went there.

00:41:31.000 I had back surgery.

00:41:31.000 And it was not the end of the world.

00:41:33.000 My premium went up like 50 bucks.

00:41:35.000 On top of that, yeah.

00:41:36.000 Had $115,000 back surgery.

00:41:38.000 Ended up out of pocket zero.

00:41:40.000 You went there after your back surgery?

00:41:40.000 Well, I had to sign a rider so that my back was never covered again.

00:41:44.000 So that was an option.

00:41:46.000 I ended up finally getting on.

00:41:47.000 So they covered it that one time?

00:41:48.000 Well, they covered it for, I believe, two years under that rider.

00:41:51.000 And then never again?

00:41:52.000 But after that, I'm good.

00:41:53.000 Now I can go get insurance with anybody and it doesn't come up.

00:41:56.000 But how do they make money if you have $115,000 back surgery?

00:41:58.000 Well, they lost on that one. 0.58

00:42:02.000 They got a little screwed. 0.83

00:42:03.000 What do you want me to say?

00:42:04.000 But the thing is, personally, my income was not affected because I had AFLAC, had a health savings account that was fully funded.

00:42:09.000 Geez, I think I was being a little bit responsible.

00:42:11.000 And then I also had short-term disability insurance.

00:42:14.000 It is possible.

00:42:16.000 Thank you.

00:42:17.000 Short term, yes.

00:42:19.000 You've only had one beer, and that's not fair.

00:42:21.000 No, that's not true at all.

00:42:22.000 Jared, you haven't even opened a second.

00:42:23.000 I'm working on it.

00:42:24.000 Everyone's been calling you on not drinking when you're supposed to.

00:42:26.000 Do you think Bernie passed the kidney stone on the break?

00:42:31.000 I think it's in a jar underneath that podium.

00:42:33.000 I want to show you something.

00:42:36.000 That was Bernie?

00:42:37.000 Work on it.

00:42:40.000 Alright, we're back.

00:42:40.000 Let's go back.

00:42:41.000 Let's bring up a song.

00:42:44.000 I'm Jake Tepper.

00:42:46.000 I have to poop.

00:42:48.000 Hello.

00:42:50.000 Under the controls of Obamacare, my business has been restricted from expansion.

00:42:56.000 I'm from Fort Worth, Texas.

00:42:59.000 I own five Fantastic Sam's Hair salons.

00:43:02.000 We employ between 45 and 48 employees.

00:43:08.000 My original plan was to open more salons and employ more people. 1.00

00:43:13.000 However, under Obamacare, I am restricted Because it requires me to furnish health insurance if I employ more than 50 people.

00:43:26.000 Unfortunately, the profit margin in my industry is very thin, and I'm not a wealthy person, so it's impossible for me to grow my business.

00:43:37.000 My question to you, Senator Sanders, is how do I grow my business?

00:43:42.000 How do I employ more Americans without either raising the prices to my customers or lowering wages to my employees? 0.89

00:43:52.000 Like the vultures in the jungle book.

00:43:53.000 La Ronda.

00:43:55.000 You own five...

00:43:59.000 That's correct.

00:44:01.000 And you employ close to 50 people?

00:44:03.000 Just under.

00:44:04.000 And what kind of health insurance do you provide to them?

00:44:06.000 Zero.

00:44:07.000 None.

00:44:08.000 You provide no health insurance to them?

00:44:09.000 Correct.

00:44:09.000 Let me give you an answer you will not be happy with.

00:44:14.000 And that is, I think, that for businesses that employ 50 people or more, given the nature of our dysfunctional health care system right now, where most people do get their health insurance through the places that they work.

00:44:29.000 I'm sorry.

00:44:30.000 I think that in America today, everybody should have health care.

00:44:33.000 And if you have more than 50 people, you know what?

00:44:35.000 I think I'm afraid to tell you... 1.00

00:44:37.000 You piece of shit! 1.00

00:44:38.000 You piece of shit! 1.00

00:44:40.000 You have three houses, one that's only 40 minutes from the other one up on Lake Champlain. 1.00

00:44:44.000 You piece of shit! 1.00

00:44:46.000 You don't even ask her about her profit margins. 1.00

00:44:48.000 You don't even ask her how many people she employs, how many of them are part-time, how many of them have been forced onto working part-time because of Obamacare, because of the current laws that force small businesses.

00:44:58.000 Again, 50 people is not a lot at all. 1.00

00:45:01.000 You piece of shit! 1.00

00:45:02.000 And this is so clear right now. 1.00

00:45:04.000 When he tries to say, we're talking about the multi-billion dollar corporations, we're talking about the big people.

00:45:08.000 This woman probably barely earns a six-figure income if that. 1.00

00:45:11.000 I wouldn't be surprised if most years she makes less than those 50 employees that she's talking about. 1.00

00:45:16.000 You piece of shit. 1.00

00:45:17.000 Everyone watching this show right now knows somebody who probably has a business on that scale of size when Bernie Sanders says, forevermore... 1.00

00:45:26.000 That he's only going after the top 1% right here.

00:45:29.000 He's going after women like that. 1.00

00:45:31.000 He is not a nice guy.

00:45:33.000 He is buying your vote. 1.00

00:45:35.000 He is a walking, talking, bumbling piece of human shit. 1.00

00:45:39.000 What's the drink to that? 1.00

00:45:42.000 Cheers.

00:45:43.000 Thomas said it's the same thing Democrats have said, which is that you, the small business, you're apparently a bad actor because you're not allowed to manufacture money.

00:45:53.000 Yeah, it was true. 0.61

00:45:54.000 You know, let me introduce you all to two terms that have become really common.

00:45:57.000 29ers and 49ers.

00:46:00.000 29ers are the millions of people across this country that have been forced into part-time work, that used to have full-time employment, and are now working 29 hours a week because Obamacare kicks in at 30 hours a week.

00:46:12.000 And a lot of them are people, they're single moms, they're teenagers, they're immigrants, they're people who are struggling, and then 49ers.

00:46:19.000 There are millions of small businesses in the exact situation you're in.

00:46:22.000 You know, a couple of months ago, I was out in West Texas, was visiting a dairy farmer, driving around the dairy farm.

00:46:27.000 Now listen to this, and you tell me who's populous.

00:46:29.000 You tell me he's looking out for the elite.

00:46:31.000 Bernie Sanders telling a small business owner that you have to pay for everybody else's health insurance period because I have a mandate and I have a pen sitting there from Washington, D.C. Or Ted Cruz right now who's talking about giving businesses and employees the freedom of choice.

00:46:44.000 Because Obamacare kicks in at 50 and he said, I could hire 20 or 30 more employees right now.

00:46:51.000 But Obamacare would bankrupt my business, and that's millions of small businesses.

00:46:55.000 So we're here at GW. Let me speak for a minute to all the young people.

00:46:58.000 That was a personal story, by the way.

00:46:59.000 When you come out of college with way too much student loans, my guess is you'd like to get a job.

00:47:05.000 And millions of small businesses being told by the Democrats, tough luck, we don't care if it drives you out of business, that's taken away opportunity, and it's hurting, in particular, the most vulnerable.

00:47:17.000 It's one of the most damaging things about Obamacare.

00:47:20.000 Senator Sanders?

00:47:21.000 LaRonda, let me ask you a question.

00:47:24.000 What happens if one of your employees becomes ill?

00:47:29.000 What happens?

00:47:31.000 What happens if one of your employees, as happens in every part of the country, Because diabetes gets cancer.

00:47:37.000 It's her fault, for sure.

00:47:38.000 What do they do if they don't have any health insurance?

00:47:42.000 That's what he's saying.

00:47:43.000 You're right.

00:47:44.000 I'm sorry.

00:47:45.000 I've been converted.

00:47:45.000 Because the premiums have gone up so much this year, and because I don't qualify for any kind of government subsidies, I don't have, for the first time in my life, insurance.

00:47:56.000 It's just not affordable.

00:47:58.000 Unfortunately, the prices of my services just don't work.

00:48:00.000 She's part of the 1%. 0.93

00:48:01.000 She can't even afford insurance. 0.95

00:48:03.000 And Bernie just vilified her. 1.00

00:48:05.000 Now he's going to tell her he's going to give a free shit. 0.99

00:48:07.000 It is absolutely true that the cost of the premiums are going up. 0.99

00:48:11.000 No argument.

00:48:13.000 They went up even higher during the period of George W. Bush.

00:48:18.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:48:21.000 That's not verifiably false.

00:48:23.000 It's verifiably false.

00:48:24.000 You just pulled a Trump.

00:48:25.000 I hate to say it.

00:48:26.000 Snopes to cover that.

00:48:29.000 There are fewer part-time employees today than there were before.

00:48:34.000 That's right.

00:48:34.000 There are other jobs, actually.

00:48:36.000 Thank you for pointing that out.

00:48:38.000 The bottom line is, with the situation you described, it's honestly absurd.

00:48:42.000 You should not be going around without health insurance.

00:48:46.000 Your employees should not be going around without health insurance.

00:48:50.000 We should not be spending twice as much per person on health care as do the people of any other nation.

00:48:56.000 That's too absurd for reality.

00:48:56.000 Please join me.

00:48:57.000 It makes more sense.

00:48:59.000 And fight for a Medicare for all program.

00:49:02.000 Are you looking forward, by the way?

00:49:04.000 I'm not going to ask you your age.

00:49:06.000 Won't do that.

00:49:07.000 But are you looking forward maybe when you get to 65 to get Medicare?

00:49:11.000 Would that be of help to your family?

00:49:13.000 I expect that that will probably happen.

00:49:16.000 Good.

00:49:16.000 Well, I certainly hope it does, and I hope Medicare is still there, despite the efforts of Senator Cruz and others, so that when you at least reach 65, you will be able to get a decent health insurance program.

00:49:28.000 Well, Bernie, since apparently I'm now trying to kill the elderly...

00:49:32.000 Nice. 0.66

00:49:33.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:49:35.000 When you heard that her premiums had skyrocketed, that she can't afford health insurance... 1.00

00:49:42.000 You kind of said, well, premiums always go up.

00:49:44.000 I mean, let me ask you, why did President Obama look in the eyes of the American people and promise LaRonda that her health insurance premiums would go down $2,500 a year?

00:49:55.000 Was he telling the truth when he said that, and were you and the other Democrats telling the truth when you echoed his promise to the American people?

00:50:02.000 Ted, for a start, as everybody knows, healthcare is pretty complicated.

00:50:07.000 I think President Obama is an honest person, and I think based on his assessment, that's what he believed.

00:50:12.000 What just happened?

00:50:13.000 Turns out not to be true.

00:50:15.000 I can't do it.

00:50:16.000 No, I can't do his voice, so I'm not going to say it.

00:50:18.000 No, Bernie?

00:50:19.000 No, you can't do it.

00:50:20.000 Jared, you do it.

00:50:22.000 You can't do it.

00:50:25.000 And that means that we have to appreciate that we are spending hundreds of billions of dollars every single year, not on healthcare, but on administration and bureaucracy.

00:50:37.000 Wait, what?

00:50:38.000 $100 billion on administrative and bureaucracy?

00:50:41.000 Really?

00:50:42.000 Does he know the numbers that he's throwing around?

00:50:43.000 Take a guess who the administrators are.

00:50:45.000 Their name is Bernie.

00:50:49.000 So we have to figure out how we have a simple system that guarantees health care to all people.

00:50:54.000 When we do that, you and your employees will all have health care.

00:50:58.000 No plans, no facts, no strategy whatsoever, and no answer.

00:51:02.000 If we do this, if we spend this amount of money, you'll get this.

00:51:06.000 He's the bullet point memo guy. 1.00

00:51:08.000 By the way, Kyle of Secular Talk told Ted Cruz to shove his prayers up his ass. 1.00

00:51:13.000 He's just such a moron, that guy. 1.00

00:51:15.000 He's a moron and he's a coward who won't debate anybody. 1.00

00:51:18.000 In fact, there's some amazing stats I'm going to go back and get because they're really quite powerful. 1.00

00:51:24.000 If you look at the paperwork impact, Obamacare's rules alone, and by the way, the Obamacare rules are 20,000 pages.

00:51:34.000 They're taller than seven feet tall.

00:51:35.000 Ted Cruz?

00:51:36.000 They generate $51 billion in costs and more than 172 million hours of paperwork. 1.00

00:51:45.000 I wipe my ass with you. 0.99

00:51:46.000 What does that mean? 1.00

00:51:48.000 That would take 86,200 employees working full-time, 2,000 hours a year.

00:51:54.000 To complete one year of new paperwork under Obamacare, that's roughly the entire population of Miami Beach, Florida, doing nothing but filling out Obamacare forms.

00:52:05.000 If you want your doctor to get back to caring for you, if you want to drive down costs, get government out of the business of dictating and controlling health care.

00:52:13.000 Well, costs.

00:52:14.000 There you go.

00:52:16.000 There is far too much paperwork.

00:52:17.000 Some of it is government, but you know what some of it is also?

00:52:21.000 It is insurance companies.

00:52:23.000 Every American who has filed a claim has the experience of fighting with insurance companies to make sure that they get what they are entitled to.

00:52:34.000 Do you think Bernie in his youth was raped by an insurance salesman?

00:52:37.000 Is that a real possibility?

00:52:43.000 That is why we need a simple system.

00:52:50.000 And as Americans, Ted, we're going to have to make a very fundamental decision.

00:52:56.000 Very simple.

00:52:57.000 Is health care a right of all people?

00:53:00.000 Is it or not?

00:53:02.000 Ted doesn't think it is.

00:53:03.000 I do think it is.

00:53:04.000 And then if we agree, and I think most Americans do, that it is a right, how do you provide health care to all people with high quality in a cost-effective way?

00:53:13.000 I happen to believe that Medicare is a popular program.

00:53:16.000 It works well.

00:53:17.000 Right now, you get it?

00:53:18.000 It's 65.

00:53:19.000 I think every American...

00:53:20.000 Senator Sanders, I want to pick the discussion up right there, if I may. 0.97

00:53:22.000 You're a cheater, Gerald. 0.96

00:53:23.000 I'm a sipper. 1.00

00:53:24.000 All of you are cheaters. 0.98

00:53:25.000 It's not a sipper. 0.97

00:53:26.000 That's not the drinking game.

00:53:28.000 Edward the Sound Guy is the only one with a pendulous pear, and all of you are walking around with your...

00:53:34.000 You were talking about paperwork from insurance companies.

00:53:36.000 I agree.

00:53:37.000 There's way too much paperwork from insurance companies.

00:53:39.000 I'd like insurance companies to have less power and patients to have more power.

00:53:42.000 Someone said you missed one.

00:53:42.000 He said entitled.

00:53:43.000 No, that's not a drink.

00:53:44.000 You and I could agree on a common sense reform of allowing LaRonda to purchase health insurance in any of the 50 states.

00:53:51.000 Right now, she's a Texan.

00:53:53.000 It's illegal for her to purchase health insurance anywhere else. 0.99

00:53:56.000 That would give her a choice.

00:53:57.000 If she doesn't like what the Texas companies are offering, she can go to Oklahoma, she can go to Florida, she can go to any other state.

00:54:03.000 That creates a 50-state national marketplace.

00:54:06.000 It drives down costs.

00:54:08.000 That's where Bernie got ready for the insurance salesman.

00:54:11.000 There was no one around to here for miles!

00:54:14.000 Medicare for all single-payer systems is a lot better idea.

00:54:20.000 A practical step that he goes, no, no, no, my idea is better.

00:54:23.000 My idea will never happen.

00:54:25.000 But let's not do yours, even though it would help people out in the short time.

00:54:31.000 But you think your deductibles are high now, it will be a lot higher.

00:54:34.000 Look, Ted, you're right.

00:54:36.000 This is a good discussion.

00:54:37.000 And here is the issue.

00:54:39.000 Ted, let me ask you a question.

00:54:40.000 Sure.

00:54:41.000 Is every American entitled to health care as a right of being an American?

00:54:48.000 Yes or no?

00:54:49.000 I'm glad you asked that.

00:54:50.000 Right is a word you use a lot.

00:54:52.000 Let's talk about what rights are.

00:54:54.000 Rights mean you have a right for government not to mess with you, for government not to do things with you. 0.82

00:55:00.000 Look at the Bill of Rights.

00:55:01.000 The Bill of Rights.

00:55:02.000 Free speech means the government can't silence you when you're speaking.

00:55:06.000 Religious liberty means the government can't control who you worship, what your faith is.

00:55:10.000 The Second Amendment means the government can't take away your guns.

00:55:14.000 Those are rights.

00:55:15.000 You know what the Declaration of Independence said?

00:55:17.000 We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal and that they are endowed by their Creator, With certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

00:55:27.000 So what is a right?

00:55:28.000 Is access to health care.

00:55:30.000 Is choosing your own doctor.

00:55:30.000 What is a right?

00:55:32.000 And if you believe health care is a right, why on earth did you help write Obamacare that caused 6 million people to have their health insurance canceled, that had them lose their doctors, and had people like LaRonda, who can't get health insurance, can't afford premiums, you're denying her what you say is her right.

00:55:48.000 Well, two things. 0.99

00:55:49.000 Hot damn Decker drank his milk. 0.99

00:55:52.000 Somebody from Bernie's Corner needs to throw this out. 0.99

00:55:54.000 Celebratory toast.

00:55:55.000 Yes.

00:55:56.000 Good job, Teddy.

00:55:57.000 Access to health care is a right.

00:55:59.000 She has access.

00:56:00.000 And choosing your doctor is a right.

00:56:02.000 You have access right now.

00:56:03.000 Go out and get a really great health insurance program.

00:56:05.000 You don't have enough money.

00:56:06.000 Oh, you can't do it because you can't afford it.

00:56:08.000 All right?

00:56:09.000 That's what he said.

00:56:10.000 Access to what?

00:56:11.000 You want to buy one of Donald Trump's mansions?

00:56:13.000 You have access to do that as well.

00:56:15.000 Oh, you can't afford $5 million per house?

00:56:17.000 Sorry.

00:56:18.000 Access doesn't mean a damn thing.

00:56:22.000 That's the pool boy's house.

00:56:26.000 That they need.

00:56:26.000 And they can't under Obamacare.

00:56:27.000 Second of all, let's...

00:56:29.000 Some people... 0.99

00:56:31.000 Ah, crap, he said something that was true. 0.75

00:56:34.000 Don't argue with me when I tell you that 20 million more people did get health insurance, all right? 0.98

00:56:40.000 We used to have 48 million people in this country...

00:56:42.000 They were forced to.

00:56:43.000 ...for zero insurance before Obamacare.

00:56:45.000 They don't actually have health care, though, but hey, who's counting?

00:56:49.000 Ted talked to the young people, and he said, once you go out with enthusiasm, go out and go to get a job, he's right.

00:56:55.000 But under Ted's ideas, if Obamacare is repealed, right now, if you're under 26, you can stay in your parents' insurance program.

00:57:06.000 That's one of the things we did in Obamacare.

00:57:08.000 Good idea.

00:57:08.000 Ted would repeal that.

00:57:10.000 So as you go out into the real world, be very careful about not having an accident.

00:57:15.000 You may have to pay for your own stuff in the real world.

00:57:17.000 We're going to take a quick break.

00:57:19.000 We have a lot more to discuss.

00:57:20.000 A lot more.

00:57:21.000 Oh, it must be longer.

00:57:22.000 Hold on, let him finish.

00:57:24.000 Yeah.

00:57:27.000 Oh, Ted just smiled awkwardly.

00:57:28.000 Everybody else better be opening number two. 0.96

00:57:30.000 All right, fine, fine.

00:57:33.000 So I think that was very revealing.

00:57:36.000 Bernie Sanders was saying, you have access, but you don't have enough money.

00:57:39.000 What he's now saying is access, the ability to, the choice of...

00:57:45.000 These are generally what define fundamental rights.

00:57:47.000 The rights to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness.

00:57:49.000 None of those are guaranteed outcomes.

00:57:51.000 Those are all the right to access, the right to choose, to pursue.

00:57:56.000 He is now saying, you have the right...

00:57:59.000 To enough money, by proxy, the right to enough other people's money to get health care. 0.53

00:58:06.000 Bernie Sanders doesn't believe that decent health care is a human right.

00:58:10.000 He believes that you have a right to steal from someone else to purchase health care.

00:58:16.000 And he just said that.

00:58:17.000 And I think that's an important point, and I hope other people catch that from tonight.

00:58:21.000 I think he tries to also paint us into a bit of a corner.

00:58:24.000 Obviously, you and I want people to have good health care, right?

00:58:27.000 We're making the argument that it's not possible to give people free health care, so we have to do something else, right?

00:58:33.000 We're trying to come up with a system that actually will work, will provide innovation, will keep people healthy, and is sustainable, and will not bankrupt our country, see the rest of the world.

00:58:42.000 And then we get vilified for saying, we don't want people to be healthy.

00:58:45.000 We want poor people to be dying on the streets from very curable, preventable diseases. 1.00

00:58:49.000 That's absolutely not true.

00:58:50.000 I get pissed off a lot about that.

00:58:52.000 This is Gerald pissed off, by the way, not KJ. I don't quite...

00:58:56.000 Goal darn it! 0.95

00:58:57.000 You guys, I mean, golly gee, guys. 0.98

00:59:00.000 You know what really gets my goat?

00:59:02.000 Is when people just...

00:59:04.000 They exercise their authority outside the realm of constitutionality.

00:59:09.000 Yes!

00:59:10.000 Preach!

00:59:12.000 Oh, God, what was that?

00:59:13.000 That sounded like hell.

00:59:15.000 It went through the wrong speaker?

00:59:18.000 Trying to do a thug life and that was a fail.

00:59:19.000 Pretty good effect.

00:59:20.000 So I do think that was probably the most revealing segment thus far.

00:59:23.000 Yes.

00:59:23.000 Thank you, Hopper.

00:59:24.000 He agrees.

00:59:25.000 Hey, Hopper.

00:59:25.000 Come on over here.

00:59:26.000 Oh, look at that.

00:59:28.000 He's looking up at you like, huh?

00:59:30.000 Hey, buddy.

00:59:30.000 How do I do this?

00:59:31.000 I know.

00:59:31.000 I don't like Bernie either.

00:59:32.000 Yes. 1.00

00:59:32.000 He's chewing on his toy because Bernie Sanders is a prick. 1.00

00:59:36.000 My dog even thinks so. 0.96

00:59:38.000 So I do think that was a very important segment.

00:59:40.000 And again, if you look at tonight, if you're an objective observer, there's one person with facts.

00:59:44.000 Wait, wait.

00:59:44.000 What?

00:59:45.000 This.

00:59:45.000 Oh, this commercial?

00:59:46.000 I love that commercial.

00:59:49.000 Yes.

00:59:50.000 Okay.

00:59:51.000 And we're done.

00:59:52.000 I've never seen it before.

00:59:52.000 That's good stuff.

00:59:53.000 Hold on a second.

00:59:54.000 Let me see.

00:59:54.000 Kyle Kalinsky is tweeting right now.

00:59:59.000 What's he got?

01:00:00.000 Oh, he blocked me.

01:00:01.000 He must have.

01:00:02.000 People, tell me what Kyle Kalinske is tweeting.

01:00:09.000 The guy who won't debate.

01:00:11.000 The guy who won't show up. 0.99

01:00:11.000 The guy who has his balls. 0.99

01:00:13.000 I'd say balls in his wife's purse, but I think it's in his husband's purse. 1.00

01:00:18.000 Let's see. 0.98

01:00:18.000 How do you spell Sase? 0.98

01:00:19.000 I don't know.

01:00:20.000 Sase is spelled...

01:00:21.000 Let's see.

01:00:22.000 Is it a K or C? I don't know.

01:00:25.000 Courtney's got a pretty funny Jim Carrey tweet. 0.93

01:00:26.000 Can we get Gerald on as a guest?

01:00:28.000 Alex Minufar said.

01:00:29.000 That's right.

01:00:30.000 That's right.

01:00:31.000 Bring the pain.

01:00:31.000 Faith Frolic says, Bernie was yelling at the woman who shared her personal story.

01:00:34.000 Exactly.

01:00:35.000 He was yelling at her.

01:00:35.000 He was vilifying her.

01:00:36.000 And then it turns out she couldn't afford health care.

01:00:38.000 Can you please list, tweet the list of things to drink during the debate?

01:00:42.000 I'm falling a little behind.

01:00:43.000 I've had a Shiner cold brew coffee ale, a Four Corners local buzz honey rye golden ale, and now I'm on a Kolsch.

01:00:53.000 And Jared is simply on the first one.

01:00:55.000 Do you need another beer?

01:00:56.000 I'll get you another beer.

01:00:57.000 You had a Revolver Blood and Honey?

01:00:59.000 I did, yes.

01:00:59.000 And nothing else?

01:01:00.000 Well, I had two Revolver Blood and Honeys before I came over.

01:01:04.000 Oh, did you actually?

01:01:06.000 I did, yes, for dinner at five.

01:01:08.000 So I'm good.

01:01:08.000 Just the taste.

01:01:09.000 I need something different.

01:01:11.000 Someone just sent me a...

01:01:12.000 Oh, we're standing by.

01:01:14.000 Oh, they just put that in there because online they can't fill the commercial space.

01:01:18.000 Candace says, Ted is on fire.

01:01:20.000 Someone says, Liberty for Sweden says, As a Swedish citizen, I cringe when socialists like Bernie use us as an example of success.

01:01:25.000 It's a failure.

01:01:26.000 Ted, you smart, you loyal. 0.99

01:01:28.000 So apparently black people in Sweden. 0.91

01:01:30.000 Let's go back to the debate. 0.87

01:01:34.000 It's 140 characters.

01:01:36.000 Come on.

01:01:37.000 Senators, thanks so much for participating here.

01:01:40.000 I want to ask you, since Obamacare was enacted...

01:01:42.000 Cali Polinsky said, poor business owners who have five businesses and 45 employees, when will we stop oppressing them?

01:01:47.000 The business owners, he's right. 1.00

01:01:49.000 What an ass. 1.00

01:01:51.000 ...to 11 million low-income people. 0.99

01:01:54.000 One of the Americans who benefited from the Obamacare Medicaid expansion is Carol Hardaway of Salisbury, Maryland.

01:02:02.000 Carol?

01:02:03.000 Thank you.

01:02:04.000 I have multiple sclerosis, but could not afford insurance.

01:02:08.000 Without the treatment or medications I need...

01:02:10.000 How do they find these people?

01:02:13.000 Do they just find the Rolodex from St.

01:02:15.000 Jude's 30 years ago?

01:02:18.000 And just say, alright, they're probably sick enough now.

01:02:21.000 Because they refuse to expand Medicaid to Maryland.

01:02:25.000 And within two weeks, I started receiving treatments through Medicaid.

01:02:29.000 And am now well enough to work as a substitute teacher.

01:02:33.000 Senator Cruz, can you promise me that you and the Republican leaders in Congress will actually have a replacement plan in place for people like me, who depend on their Medicaid?

01:02:45.000 In other words, I like my coverage.

01:02:48.000 Can I keep it?

01:02:50.000 Well, Carol, thank you for sharing your story, and congratulations on dealing with MS. It's a terrible disease, and congratulations on your struggles dealing with it.

01:03:00.000 You know, if you look at Medicaid, more than half of the people who've been covered under Obamacare have been under Medicaid.

01:03:07.000 And the problem is Medicaid is a profoundly troubled program.

01:03:11.000 And so it may be working well with you.

01:03:14.000 But I'll tell you nationally, the health outcomes under Medicaid are really poor.

01:03:19.000 Nationally, 54% of doctors won't take new Medicaid patients.

01:03:24.000 Nationally, Dental care appointments for moms are denied at a 63% rate on Medicaid.

01:03:34.000 The denial rate for private insurance is 4%.

01:03:37.000 And Medicaid patients are almost twice as likely to die from medical treatment as those with private health insurance.

01:03:46.000 The solution for people who are hurting, I believe we should have a system that allows as many people as possible To be on the private health insurance of your choice, rather than Medicaid, because the Medicaid outcomes are not working and people are suffering.

01:04:01.000 And what's happened also, it's really quite striking.

01:04:03.000 Bernie Sanders points out free, and Ted Cruz points out quality.

01:04:06.000 That is a fundamental difference in worldview in your approach to public services.

01:04:13.000 I found their wait times increasing.

01:04:15.000 In fact, in Illinois, on Medicaid, over 700 people have died on the waiting list for care for Medicaid.

01:04:22.000 So I'm glad that you're receiving health care.

01:04:25.000 I can tell you a great many of the people on Medicaid aren't.

01:04:27.000 And I'd much rather see a system where we can have millions of those on Medicaid getting health insurance.

01:04:34.000 And the only way they can is if we have competition so that rates are lower so that you can afford to have health insurance.

01:04:41.000 Senator Sanders?

01:04:43.000 We heard from a woman who runs a hair salon in Fort Worth, who can't afford to provide health insurance to her workers and for herself. 0.88

01:04:52.000 And I promptly took a dump on her. 1.00

01:04:54.000 We hear a story now about a woman who has to leave her own state, go to another state, because that state is providing Medicaid.

01:05:02.000 My friends, you are living, I know you don't know this, by these stories.

01:05:06.000 You're living in the wealthiest country in the history of the world.

01:05:11.000 Where the rich are becoming phenomenally richer, while we have 43 million people living in poverty, and the middle class is in decline.

01:05:19.000 These stories are obscene.

01:05:22.000 They should not be taking place in the United States. 0.76

01:05:25.000 Now, are there problems with Medicaid?

01:05:28.000 Apparently, Kyle from Secular Talk is having a meltdown right now.

01:05:30.000 To those Republican governors around the country who told poor people That they would not be able to, for the first time in their lives, in many instances, get access to health care.

01:05:44.000 Access.

01:05:44.000 To be able to go to a doctor.

01:05:45.000 Damn it. 0.99

01:05:46.000 When the federal government paid for the first three years at 100%. 1.00

01:05:48.000 Edward, the sound guy must be south.

01:05:50.000 He's drinking wine.

01:05:51.000 I hope.

01:05:52.000 I hope that those governors sleep well.

01:05:55.000 Out of a high-quality mug.

01:05:56.000 Because I don't know how many people lost their lives as a result of their decision.

01:06:00.000 So once again, what we are looking at is a dysfunctional system.

01:06:04.000 It's scientifically proven to boost alcohol percentage and enjoyment and consumption of alcoholic beverages by 142%.

01:06:08.000 ABV by at least 3%.

01:06:10.000 Mug club.

01:06:11.000 Or the other.

01:06:13.000 This country finally is going to have to do, in my view, what every other major country does.

01:06:19.000 And yes, I believe, Ted, health care is a human right.

01:06:22.000 Major countries like Iceland with a population of 400,000.

01:06:24.000 I believe that this country has got to join every other major country and say, you can stay home and get quality care because you're an American.

01:06:32.000 You can run your small business well and get care because you are an American.

01:06:37.000 That is where we have got to go.

01:06:39.000 Well, you know, when Bernie says, well, Medicaid has problems.

01:06:43.000 You want to talk about people who lost their rights?

01:06:45.000 You said well.

01:06:45.000 I thought you were going to skip it.

01:06:47.000 I drank it.

01:06:48.000 Put on a waiting list for Medicaid after Illinois expanded its Medicaid for Oklahoma's home state and they died.

01:06:54.000 Awaiting care under Medicaid.

01:06:55.000 Why?

01:06:56.000 Because Medicaid is ration care.

01:06:59.000 Those wait lists.

01:07:00.000 You know, Bernie likes to talk about Medicare for all, but let me be clear what his program is.

01:07:04.000 It's Medicaid for all.

01:07:06.000 It is rationed care nationally.

01:07:08.000 You want to know what that looks like?

01:07:10.000 He keeps pointing to other countries.

01:07:12.000 Let's look at, for example, the United Kingdom.

01:07:16.000 The United Kingdom 2001 report noted that 39% of women over 80 in the United Kingdom receive surgery for breast cancer compared to 90% of the women under 50.

01:07:31.000 And that men and women under the age of 55 were two and a half times more likely than those over 75 to receive cancer treatment.

01:07:39.000 You see Bernie's wheels turning like, oh, should have brought back.

01:07:43.000 Said speak from the heart.

01:07:45.000 I am notably under-armed.

01:07:49.000 It looks like Medicaid.

01:07:51.000 It looks like the people who are suffering.

01:07:53.000 Objectively, you've got to give this one to Ted.

01:07:56.000 It's not even close.

01:07:57.000 Ninety-one million people, roughly, that are covered by insurance.

01:08:00.000 I don't think we should be screwing up the insurance of millions of Americans and putting them under rationing.

01:08:04.000 Numbers.

01:08:04.000 Just think of numbers.

01:08:05.000 Numbers.

01:08:05.000 Any number.

01:08:06.000 And that's what Obamacare has moved us down the road to doing.

01:08:09.000 Hi, folks.

01:08:09.000 Watch me pull this rabbit out of my head.

01:08:13.000 Medicaid has problems.

01:08:14.000 And Vermont has problems.

01:08:15.000 All over the country, it has problems.

01:08:17.000 You know what that solution is?

01:08:19.000 Massive cuts in federal funding for Medicaid.

01:08:24.000 So you've got a problem, and what Ted wants to do is make it worse.

01:08:27.000 You mentioned dental care.

01:08:28.000 So note to all people who say that Bernie Sanders is not a social justice warrior.

01:08:33.000 What he just did was immediately attribute motive because he was losing. 1.00

01:08:37.000 So if you still think that you're an anti-regressive, anti-social justice warrior, but you support Bernie Sanders, you're an idiot. 1.00

01:08:44.000 Make you have a nice smile, but they may have to provide real dental care to the children and others who absolutely need it. 1.00

01:08:51.000 Furthermore, what we have to do...

01:08:54.000 Is we need tens of thousands more doctors in this country.

01:08:58.000 But we're going to pay you a lot less.

01:09:00.000 We have a major crisis in primary care.

01:09:01.000 There are areas in urban America and in rural America where people literally can't find a doctor to serve their needs.

01:09:09.000 And one of the reasons, a number of reasons for that, one of them is you go to medical school, you can come out hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt.

01:09:17.000 Here we go.

01:09:17.000 Free school is coming up.

01:09:18.000 Wait for it.

01:09:19.000 And then you're going to become a plastic surgeon.

01:09:20.000 And now it's the Boodle and nothing is safe, Charles.

01:09:24.000 It tells me that we've got to expand the program called the National Health Service Corps so that our young people can get their debts repaid if they commit to serving in underserved areas.

01:09:37.000 Let's get doctors out into the areas where we need them.

01:09:40.000 Let me just jump in if I can.

01:09:42.000 Carol, just shake your head.

01:09:43.000 Senator Cruz, a former senator, did he answer your question?

01:09:47.000 No, we did not.

01:09:48.000 The question was, Senator Cruz, can you promise me that you and the Republican leaders in Congress will actually have a replacement plan in place for people like me who depend on their Medicaid?

01:09:57.000 She got Medicaid through the Obamacare expansion of Medicaid.

01:10:01.000 We've all heard you criticize Medicaid.

01:10:03.000 What happens to Carol? 0.83

01:10:05.000 Well, what I said, Jake, is that Medicaid isn't working for millions of people, and Obamacare made Medicaid worse by expanding the wait list, by jamming more people on it.

01:10:14.000 You want to talk about replacement?

01:10:16.000 There's widespread agreement on replacement plans.

01:10:18.000 Number one, allowing people to purchase across state lines, giving you more choice.

01:10:23.000 Now, Bernie said he closes that.

01:10:24.000 He doesn't want to let you find insurance.

01:10:25.000 When I say you're the party of note, there are plenty of solutions offered by Republicans and conservatives.

01:10:28.000 Number two, expanding health savings accounts, so you can save in a tax-advantaged way to meet your own health care needs.

01:10:33.000 Number three, making health insurance portable so that it goes with you from job to job.

01:10:40.000 I imagine, ma'am, at some point you had insurance with a job.

01:10:46.000 If insurance was portable right now, federal tax law incentivizes most of us to get our insurance from the government.

01:10:55.000 And if you lose your job, you lose that insurance.

01:11:02.000 One of the best solutions to the problem of pre-existing conditions is making health insurance portable so it goes with you.

01:11:08.000 You know, when you lose your job, you don't lose your car insurance, your life insurance, your house insurance.

01:11:13.000 There's no reason to lose your health insurance.

01:11:16.000 And if your insurance is portable, it goes with you, it's affordable, you have choices.

01:11:21.000 Now, notice Bernie's solution.

01:11:23.000 We want more doctors.

01:11:24.000 We all agree on more doctors.

01:11:25.000 He says, well, the government needs to hire more.

01:11:28.000 You know, I can point to something that works on that.

01:11:30.000 In Texas, we passed tort reform.

01:11:32.000 We fundamentally limited lawsuits and lawsuit abuse.

01:11:35.000 And you know what we've seen?

01:11:36.000 We've seen the number of doctors increasing dramatically.

01:11:39.000 We've seen medical malpractice premiums dropping.

01:11:41.000 I personally prefer no tort reform where ambulance chases like John Edwards can create sex tapes with pregnant women while the wife has cancer.

01:11:48.000 people from going to medical school and training to be done busy performing pap smears smears of pap put the ST on the end it's important bagel and a pap smear it is the state of Texas And by the way, may I say proudly that Vermont is number two.

01:12:11.000 In terms of the percentage of people who are insured.

01:12:15.000 We have relatively few who are uninsured.

01:12:17.000 And by the way, amazingly enough...

01:12:19.000 It's like 400 people and they're all white and rich.

01:12:23.000 It is Massachusetts with Romney Care, which was the prototype for the Affordable Care Act.

01:12:32.000 Well, you know, the nice thing, Bernie, again, people vote with their feet.

01:12:36.000 And for north of a decade now, roughly 1,000 people a day have been moving to Texas because we have an environment that allows people to get jobs.

01:12:44.000 And so people vote with their feet.

01:12:46.000 And you're right.

01:12:47.000 There are states.

01:12:47.000 Vermont is a lovely state.

01:12:49.000 doesn't have a ton of diversity nearly the populations Texas has populations that are just starting when my dad went to Texas in 1957 I know a black guy whose street name is Rutabaga - You've never met Rutabaga!

01:13:09.000 But he came to go to the University of Texas.

01:13:11.000 He came to get opportunities.

01:13:13.000 That job enabled him to get another job where he could get health care.

01:13:17.000 That's a much better solution.

01:13:19.000 Create an environment where you don't tax the living daylights out of people.

01:13:22.000 It's why people choose to see where they get jobs.

01:13:25.000 Aren't we all happy that under Obama we created 15 million new jobs in the private sector?

01:13:31.000 Senators, I want to get to more audience questions.

01:13:34.000 And this one is about...

01:13:36.000 That's a slight of hand trick.

01:13:39.000 You always create a certain amount of new jobs in the private sector.

01:13:42.000 It's the percentage of new jobs created in the private sector versus the public sector, which there was an unbelievable discrepancy with Obama and nearly all previous presidents, where nearly all the new jobs created were.

01:13:52.000 Thank you.

01:13:53.000 I'm a nursing student at the Medical University of South Carolina, and I'm concerned about...

01:13:59.000 Bernie's going, she's preggers! 1.00

01:14:01.000 ...the Affordable Care Act will have on women's health, and specifically for pregnant women.

01:14:06.000 So I'm five months pregnant, and I actually qualified for...

01:14:08.000 Bernie's going, have you considered abortion?

01:14:12.000 Oh, jeez.

01:14:15.000 Senator Cruz, what policies do you have in place to protect pregnant women from losing their health coverage, either due to being considered having a pre-existing condition or from being charged higher insurance premiums than men?

01:14:29.000 Well, congratulations on your new baby.

01:14:31.000 Is it a boy or a girl?

01:14:32.000 Congratulations right there.

01:14:34.000 And you said you have an older child?

01:14:36.000 What's your older child?

01:14:36.000 We have a two-year-old son.

01:14:38.000 What's his name?

01:14:39.000 Samson.

01:14:40.000 Well, you know she's a Ted Cruz voter. 1.00

01:14:43.000 That's right.

01:14:43.000 Well, how wonderful and congratulations.

01:14:46.000 Thank you.

01:14:47.000 Hey, cut his hair! 0.92

01:14:49.000 Wonderful, wonderful.

01:14:51.000 Listen, maternity coverage is incredible.

01:14:53.000 I've read the Torah!

01:14:55.000 No!

01:14:56.000 New ropes! 1.00

01:14:57.000 Delilah was a lying, frigid bitch! 1.00

01:15:00.000 ...mandate every coverage on Earth. 1.00

01:15:03.000 And it sounds really good.

01:15:04.000 You know, I had a conversation a couple of years ago with a gentleman in Amarillo, Texas.

01:15:10.000 Who told me the story about his 101-year-old aunt, who just had her insurance canceled.

01:15:17.000 And she said the reason it was canceled was that it didn't cover maternity care. 1.00

01:15:22.000 Now, this fellow laughed and said, you know what?

01:15:24.000 My aunt is 101 years old.

01:15:25.000 She doesn't really need maternity coverage. 0.98

01:15:27.000 Did someone just say Maria?

01:15:28.000 I think that was them.

01:15:29.000 Did we just hear something going to the earpiece that we weren't supposed to hear from CNN? Somebody tweet us.

01:15:35.000 Did that actually happen?

01:15:36.000 Did anyone else just hear them say Maria?

01:15:37.000 That wasn't in our room.

01:15:39.000 That was not in our room.

01:15:40.000 That definitely was not us.

01:15:41.000 Did you hear Maria whisper from CNN and tweet me at S. Crowder?

01:15:43.000 Or was it hurry up?

01:15:44.000 I don't know.

01:15:45.000 I couldn't hear.

01:15:45.000 But it's a little bit like giving everyone a bus ticket.

01:15:48.000 When there are no buses.

01:15:50.000 What we should care about is access to health care, not just insurance.

01:15:53.000 Oh, there we go.

01:15:54.000 I said that half an hour ago.

01:15:55.000 And what's happened under Obamacare is that millions of people can't afford it.

01:15:58.000 We should be concerned about people being able to afford health insurance, and that means giving them the choice in 50 states to choose a policy.

01:16:07.000 In your instance, you would choose a policy that had maternity coverage, but someone else who right now can't afford it might choose a different policy.

01:16:14.000 And when government mandates it, those choices go away.

01:16:17.000 Senator Sanders, your response?

01:16:19.000 People said yes, they heard Maria.

01:16:21.000 What Ted is really telling me...

01:16:24.000 This is going to be a conspiracy.

01:16:25.000 They were saying something.

01:16:28.000 And not every pregnancy is planned.

01:16:31.000 And if a woman under... 1.00

01:16:34.000 Seriously?

01:16:36.000 A pregnant woman before Obama... 0.92

01:16:38.000 He's making this up as...

01:16:38.000 Hold on a second.

01:16:39.000 Wait for it.

01:16:40.000 Hold on a second.

01:16:40.000 ...a pre-existing condition.

01:16:42.000 And now, why would an insurance company want to provide care to you when... 1.00

01:16:48.000 Yeah, but your party considers it a parasite, you piece of shit. 1.00

01:16:51.000 ...you don't make money doing that. 1.00

01:16:53.000 And Ted keeps talking about these mandates.

01:16:56.000 So let's be clear again what Senator Cruz and his Republican friends want to do.

01:17:02.000 They do not want to guarantee...

01:17:05.000 That women who become pregnant will be able to get the health care and the prenatal care that they need.

01:17:11.000 Abortion.

01:17:12.000 Which is a terrible thing, by the way.

01:17:13.000 Sorry.

01:17:13.000 Because we have one of the highest infant mortality rates in the industrialized world.

01:17:18.000 And by prenatal care, I mean murdering the bastard. 0.99

01:17:19.000 It says to young people who today are on their parents' program, you're out, you're on your own after you leave college. 0.99

01:17:26.000 He says that if you come down with a terrible illness and you're ending up spending hundreds of thousands of dollars, your insurance company can now tell you that there is a limit to what they will pay.

01:17:40.000 And he is telling 20 million people who gained health insurance under Obamacare, sorry, you're out on the streets.

01:17:49.000 Bottom line is, once again, The discussion, if you really think about the kinds of discussion that we're having, it is an absurd discussion for the wealthiest nation in the history of the world.

01:18:01.000 Senator Sanders, let me follow up on that, if I may.

01:18:04.000 I want to respond to that real briefly, if I can.

01:18:06.000 Please, go ahead.

01:18:06.000 You know, it's interesting sometimes the rhetoric that our friends on the left like to say that anyone who doesn't support government control of our health care somehow doesn't like and fit in whatever population you're talking about.

01:18:19.000 Good call.

01:18:20.000 But let's again go back to facts and let's talk about young people.

01:18:23.000 You know, there's no group in America, I think, that's been hurt more by Obamacare than young people.

01:18:28.000 Young people were left on the chopping block.

01:18:30.000 Let's talk about some basic stats.

01:18:32.000 A recent study found that the Obamacare mandates what Bernie just sang an ode to.

01:18:39.000 Have increased the three costliest mandates of increased premiums for younger people by 44%.

01:18:45.000 Without those mandates, the typical 21-year-old would pay $1,100 a year less.

01:18:52.000 If you're 21, think about whether it would be easier to afford health care if it costs $1,100 a year less.

01:18:59.000 Here's a good example.

01:18:59.000 He can't appeal to the Bernie voter base because they think they should get free health care until they're 26.

01:19:03.000 ...affordable plan that was available for a 30-year-old Texan For a 30-year-old Texan woman was $470 a year.

01:19:13.000 Today, under Obamacare, the cheapest plan that's available for a healthy 30-year-old woman in Fort Worth is $3,236.

01:19:22.000 It's gone from $470 to $3,000 over $3,200.

01:19:27.000 With a much higher deductible, by the way.

01:19:31.000 Is it jacked up the rates on all the young people?

01:19:33.000 Why do you think there's an individual mandate?

01:19:35.000 It's to force young people to pay really high rates to subsidize the rest of the system.

01:19:41.000 And if you don't pay it, the IRS fines you.

01:19:44.000 And you know, over six million people are fined each year by the IRS under Obamacare.

01:19:49.000 Senator, we're going to get to the question of fines and so forth in a minute, but I want to circle back to women's health and ask you, Senator Sanders, why should a 60-year-old male or women who are beyond childbearing years be required to have health insurance plans that have maternity care?

01:20:07.000 I don't think they should.

01:20:09.000 But I do think that's what we might want to look at.

01:20:13.000 But I do believe that in the United States of America, where we talk a lot about our love for children, that pregnancy is not and should not be considered a pre-existing condition.

01:20:29.000 That every woman in this country who gets pregnant should be 100% assured that she is going to get the highest quality care she needs to deliver a healthy baby.

01:20:40.000 Senator Cruz, I want to stay on the issue of women's health. 0.97

01:20:42.000 How?

01:20:43.000 Under Obamacare.

01:20:43.000 Yeah, but that feels good.

01:20:44.000 Oh, he's for me, but he has no plan to do it.

01:20:47.000 Thank you.

01:20:48.000 You contributed nothing to this thing.

01:20:53.000 It's going to be a choice for each patient to make.

01:20:56.000 Listen, Obamacare is all about choice.

01:20:59.000 Are you on your first beer still, Jared? 1.00

01:21:03.000 Suck it, man. 1.00

01:21:04.000 Number two. 1.00

01:21:06.000 The same is true with the mandates.

01:21:08.000 Every mandate, people will say, gosh, I'd like that.

01:21:11.000 Imagine if the federal government mandated that everyone in America must drive a Lamborghini.

01:21:18.000 With a bad accent. 0.98

01:21:19.000 I've never driven a Lamborghini.

01:21:20.000 They look kind of fun.

01:21:22.000 But you know what?

01:21:23.000 I'm willing to bet most of us, if that was the mandate, and it'd be cool, you could say leather seats, you could go, I don't know, 200 miles an hour.

01:21:30.000 What it would mean for most people is you couldn't afford a car.

01:21:36.000 I ride my bike.

01:21:42.000 It has four gears, you know!

01:21:45.000 I got one chip to hear, one chip to hear.

01:21:52.000 Beautiful.

01:21:52.000 It's putting people in a situation like LaRonda where they get nothing.

01:21:56.000 They don't get health care of any kind.

01:21:58.000 Her employees don't get health care because Obamacare has driven the cost up, and that's why people are hurting so much under it. 1.00

01:22:05.000 Two points.

01:22:06.000 Our employees are not getting health care because in Texas You do not expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act.

01:22:13.000 No, she has 49 employees.

01:22:15.000 She's not covered under and she's not hiring more. 0.94

01:22:17.000 Oh, man!

01:22:20.000 What?

01:22:21.000 That deserves a lot of money.

01:22:22.000 It feels good to be a gangster.

01:22:23.000 A real gangster.

01:22:24.000 Very clear.

01:22:25.000 That the discussion that we're having when Ted talks about mandates, I look at it differently.

01:22:34.000 And also what we should be clear about is Ted says, well, there's just not enough money.

01:22:40.000 We all can't drive fancy cars.

01:22:42.000 I think it's a bit disingenuous to talk about driving a fancy car with getting access to health care when you're sick.

01:22:50.000 Last point on this issue.

01:22:52.000 If we repeal the Affordable Care Act, we are going to provide $346 billion in tax breaks to the top 2%.

01:23:03.000 What?

01:23:04.000 Ted, in other ways, goes even further.

01:23:07.000 He wants to repeal the estate tax which applies to the top two-tenths of 1%.

01:23:15.000 The very wealthiest people in this country and give them, collectively, hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks.

01:23:22.000 Ted, we are the wealthiest country in the world.

01:23:25.000 And it's not a question of everybody driving a fancy car, but it is a question of making sure that every man, woman, and child in this country has health care as a right.

01:23:34.000 I want to bring it back to a subject.

01:23:37.000 Let me respond to that real quickly.

01:23:37.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:23:38.000 I know this gentleman has a question, but I want to respond to what Bernie said.

01:23:41.000 What Bernie said real quickly, I want to respond to just briefly.

01:23:45.000 Which, you know, it was interesting in the course of the campaign last year.

01:23:50.000 I would encounter young people all over the country.

01:23:52.000 There were a lot of young people who supported our campaign.

01:23:54.000 A lot of young people who supported Bernie's.

01:23:55.000 And I would talk with different people supporting Bernie.

01:23:58.000 And I'd say to them, typically young people, I'd say, you know what, I agree with Bernie.

01:24:02.000 And they'd sort of look at me.

01:24:03.000 They'd say, what are you talking about?

01:24:03.000 They'd be startled.

01:24:04.000 I said, listen, Bernie talks about how Washington is corrupt, how both parties are corrupt, how both parties are in bed with big business and big money, and it is a corrupt system benefiting the special interest.

01:24:16.000 I agree absolutely and entirely.

01:24:20.000 And what I tell folks is where I disagree is in his solution.

01:24:23.000 If the problem is government is corrupt, why on earth would you want more power in Washington?

01:24:29.000 I want to take power out of Washington and empower the people.

01:24:32.000 When it comes to taxes, what I want to see is a simple flat tax of 10% for everyone and abolish the IRS. That ends the power of the lobbyists.

01:24:42.000 It ends the power of Washington.

01:24:44.000 That's a solution that empowers the people.

01:24:49.000 And in the midst of massive, unprecedented income and wealth inequality, Ted's plan, according to the Wall Street Journal, would give incredible tax breaks to the top.

01:25:01.000 Okay, we'll do another town hall debate on tax reform.

01:25:06.000 Okay.

01:25:07.000 We're going to take a very quick break.

01:25:09.000 And when we come back, a subject where there might be some agreement, the debate continues with Senators Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders in a moment.

01:25:14.000 I have to use the restroom.

01:25:16.000 Can you handle this one?

01:25:17.000 Yeah, sure.

01:25:18.000 Gerald and Jared, you got it.

01:25:20.000 Awesome.

01:25:21.000 I don't know what we do now.

01:25:22.000 I don't know what we do now. 0.99

01:25:24.000 I'm fiddling with my balls like Bernie Sanders! 0.98

01:25:31.000 So, do we just talk awkwardly about Stephen? 0.99

01:25:35.000 We could talk about Stephen.

01:25:36.000 Make fun of him a little bit?

01:25:37.000 I think we could definitely do that.

01:25:39.000 Bernie Sanders just keeps coming back with like...

01:25:43.000 He opens his mouth because I think there's a lag time between when the thought happens in his head and when the actual words come out.

01:25:49.000 I think he starts talking six seconds prior to when sound comes out.

01:25:53.000 And he leans forward.

01:25:54.000 Yes, he opens his mouth.

01:25:55.000 His brain thinks that he's talking, but he's not actually making sound yet.

01:25:58.000 He does seem slow tonight.

01:25:59.000 He seems a little off his rocker.

01:26:03.000 Well, it's hard to say.

01:26:04.000 Is he just gathering his thoughts?

01:26:06.000 Is he trying to form a sentence?

01:26:08.000 Or is he just not remembering where he's at?

01:26:10.000 I don't think he's used to talking to somebody who has data and facts.

01:26:14.000 I think he's used to talking to a crowd of people that hear free stuff and that hear that they can get everything that they want without having to face the realities of life and deal with struggle, by the way.

01:26:25.000 Well, I mean, I'm sure he's been on the Senate floor and stuff, but this is probably the first time you think about it...

01:26:31.000 You know, through all the primaries, it's him and Hillary.

01:26:33.000 They agree on 90% of everything.

01:26:35.000 So he was never a force to make his case to somebody who had even a slightly different opinion, let alone a Ted Cruz who has, you know, he's excellent on the floor.

01:26:45.000 You've seen him with the Sierra Club.

01:26:47.000 You've seen him with the other people.

01:26:49.000 He's a master debater, some may say.

01:26:51.000 Yeah.

01:26:52.000 No, and this is what I liked about this.

01:26:53.000 I understand that there are people out there who don't like Ted Cruz, but here's really what I want.

01:26:58.000 I want people to take the content of the argument and just base your opinion on that.

01:27:05.000 I don't care if you like or dislike Bernie.

01:27:07.000 I don't care if you like or dislike Ted Cruz or even CNN, right?

01:27:11.000 So some people will be, oh, CNN, every one of these questions is loaded, right?

01:27:15.000 That's not the case.

01:27:16.000 It's not what happens.

01:27:17.000 It sometimes is like that, but sometimes they're getting out of the way and Just take it based on the evidence.

01:27:22.000 The fake news comes in when they report on all this tomorrow.

01:27:24.000 Exactly, yeah.

01:27:25.000 That's when the fake news starts happening.

01:27:26.000 Ted Cruz said that he basically agrees with Bernie Sanders.

01:27:29.000 Yes.

01:27:30.000 Take it completely out of context and say, that's the clip they're going to play every single time right now.

01:27:35.000 That's the game that we put them in the position of playing.

01:27:38.000 Bernie Sanders just sacks Ted Cruz.

01:27:40.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:27:41.000 Bernie quotes statistics to Ted Cruz talking about feeling.

01:27:45.000 And you're like, wait, did you actually watch the debates last night?

01:27:48.000 Now we're still waiting for them.

01:27:50.000 How is this that everybody else is still on beverage one or two?

01:27:53.000 I don't know, but we've got ulcerative colitis talking right now.

01:27:56.000 How bad was it?

01:27:58.000 Tweet me at S. Crowder.

01:28:00.000 Hey, I got a few people on there.

01:28:00.000 It wasn't bad.

01:28:02.000 Someone check Edward the Sound Guy's wine bottle.

01:28:04.000 We will.

01:28:05.000 We will definitely check it.

01:28:06.000 You can't see.

01:28:06.000 Because it's dark.

01:28:07.000 Oh, he's about a glass and a half in.

01:28:08.000 I'm an expert on these things.

01:28:10.000 I've got a couple of people saying they want to see me more often.

01:28:12.000 I mean, there's two out of 17 million people.

01:28:15.000 Gazillion people.

01:28:16.000 There's two.

01:28:17.000 Two.

01:28:18.000 Family doesn't count, right?

01:28:19.000 No.

01:28:20.000 But Hillary did say something very important.

01:28:22.000 And I mean the good Hillary. 1.00

01:28:23.000 Stevens Hillary. 0.67

01:28:24.000 She said we need to show a shot of Hopper.

01:28:27.000 She wants to see a little bit more Hopper.

01:28:28.000 Oh, there he is.

01:28:29.000 Look at him.

01:28:30.000 He is tearing up the duck.

01:28:33.000 He's just going to town.

01:28:34.000 You wrote Bernie on it.

01:28:35.000 That's almost kind of like what Ted Cruz is doing to Bernie Sanders right now.

01:28:38.000 It really is.

01:28:39.000 In a loving way.

01:28:40.000 It looks very affectionate.

01:28:41.000 It's like a very affectionate feeling right there. 0.98

01:28:43.000 I'm beating the crap out of you lovingly.

01:28:44.000 Can you get that out as a screenshot, Jared? 0.97

01:28:46.000 I'm going to get that as a screenshot.

01:28:46.000 Get it as a screenshot.

01:28:47.000 Screenshot.

01:28:49.000 Screenshot is got.

01:28:50.000 Who's using my iPhone?

01:28:51.000 It says Jennifer is using my iPhone.

01:28:54.000 Well, that's fun.

01:28:54.000 My iPhone's in the green room.

01:28:56.000 All right, we're back.

01:28:57.000 Yeah, boy.

01:29:00.000 Welcome back to the CNN debate on the future of Obamacare.

01:29:04.000 Let's turn now to the rise in prescription drug costs.

01:29:08.000 For that, I want to bring in Cole Gilrod.

01:29:10.000 He comes from Denver, Colorado.

01:29:11.000 He's a father of two, whose daughter Juniper requires medication that would cost $900 a month without Medicaid.

01:29:19.000 He came down from this town hall from an evening of moonshining.

01:29:24.000 R.E.P. Scott has taken off.

01:29:27.000 Bye, Scotty.

01:29:28.000 Unfortunately for us and families like ours, our employer providing insurance does not cover the most vital of my daughter's life-saving prescriptions.

01:29:37.000 This luckily hasn't been an unbearable financial burden for my family because of Obamacare and particularly the Medicaid expansion.

01:29:46.000 Senator Cruz, regardless of what happened to the healthcare firm, how do you plan to address rising cost prescription drugs?

01:29:54.000 Additionally, how would you like to address a healthcare system where insurance companies can choose to not cover drugs that people like my daughter need to live?

01:30:04.000 Well, thank you for the question and thank you for the care you give to your three-year-old daughter.

01:30:08.000 I know that that is not easy.

01:30:10.000 And the question you ask is one of the great challenges facing this country is we've seen the cost of drugs increasing dramatically.

01:30:17.000 One area Bernie and I talked about we agree on is allowing the importation of drugs into this country from other countries where they're cheaper.

01:30:24.000 There's no reason why we should be subsidizing other countries across the globe.

01:30:28.000 But another fundamental area is FDA reform, where the costs of getting a new drug approved are prohibitedly expensive.

01:30:36.000 I don't know if you've ever seen or folks have ever seen the movie Dallas Buyers Club.

01:30:39.000 It's a wonderful movie with Matthew McConaughey about a gentleman, a gentleman in Texas.

01:30:44.000 That's the one with Jared Leto.

01:30:45.000 And wanted to get drugs to care for it. 0.72

01:30:47.000 And the FDA wouldn't allow it here.

01:30:49.000 He traveled to Mexico.

01:30:50.000 He traveled to Japan.

01:30:51.000 He traveled all over the world trying to get life-saving drugs.

01:30:55.000 There is story after story after story of exactly that happening.

01:30:59.000 Life-saving drugs that are available, that are approved, that are used in Europe, that are used in Canada.

01:31:02.000 Do you think Ted Cruz has actually seen Dallas Buyers Club?

01:31:05.000 They show that at the church meeting.

01:31:08.000 It's so valuable that if we lift the barriers to let people try, give you a right to try, if it's your life, you have a right to choose, you have a right to choose.

01:31:18.000 Choose!

01:31:19.000 Listen, the big boys, the big players...

01:31:23.000 Like government regulation, Dodd-Frank benefited the big banks.

01:31:29.000 Tough FDA barriers to entry benefit the big pharmaceutical companies.

01:31:34.000 Massive complexity in tax laws benefits big corporations.

01:31:38.000 By reducing those barriers, we have competition and there's the opportunity.

01:31:42.000 I believe we can have innovative cures.

01:31:45.000 To give you a sense, The four most devastating diseases in terms of human life and dollars.

01:31:51.000 Heart disease, Alzheimer's, diabetes, and cancer.

01:31:52.000 Derek News says we missed a well.

01:31:54.000 Let's honor it.

01:31:55.000 We ought to be investing everything we can to cure those diseases.

01:31:59.000 Just curing cancer.

01:32:00.000 An incredible achievement.

01:32:02.000 Would save $50 trillion and countless lives across the globe.

01:32:08.000 Thank you, Sanders.

01:32:08.000 And the FDA is a barrier to doing that.

01:32:10.000 Dr.

01:32:10.000 Brzezinski in Houston, look it up.

01:32:11.000 You'll thank me later.

01:32:12.000 Here's the simple issue.

01:32:13.000 Brzezinski in Houston.

01:32:13.000 Dr.

01:32:14.000 We pay, just as the case with health care, we pay the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs.

01:32:22.000 Fifteen years ago, you know what I did?

01:32:23.000 I took a busload of women, working-class women, from Vermont. 1.00

01:32:27.000 Dealing with breast cancer across the Canadian border.

01:32:31.000 And they were able to purchase...

01:32:33.000 This is going to get funny real quick.

01:32:37.000 For one-tenth of the price they were paying in the United States of America.

01:32:41.000 Tears were coming out of these working-class women's eyes, fighting for their lives.

01:32:45.000 What's going on?

01:32:46.000 What's going on is the pharmaceutical industry owns the United States Congress.

01:32:51.000 And in all fairness...

01:32:52.000 That's actually true.

01:32:52.000 I will admit, it's not just Republicans.

01:32:55.000 They have a huge influence over the Democratic Party as well.

01:32:59.000 So right now, the reality is, uniquely in the whole world, you can walk in tomorrow to the pharmacy.

01:33:06.000 So this is a two-hour town hall.

01:33:08.000 Gosh, we really thought it would be over earlier.

01:33:11.000 And there's nothing that anybody can do about it.

01:33:12.000 This beer drinking thing was a bad idea.

01:33:15.000 We have to tell the pharmaceutical industry, which in 2015 made $50 billion in profit for the five major companies, Where the top 10 executives made over $300 million in compensation.

01:33:29.000 How much did they invest?

01:33:30.000 How little do they have hired?

01:33:31.000 How much risk did they take?

01:33:33.000 How much risk did they take?

01:33:34.000 Two things that we could do immediately.

01:33:36.000 I introduced and will introduce...

01:33:36.000 Ted is right.

01:33:38.000 He always takes credit for introducing the legislation.

01:33:41.000 Ted is right.

01:33:42.000 He signed on to my bill.

01:33:44.000 Pharmacists and distributors and the American people... 0.98

01:33:46.000 He's like the matchmaker for shitty legislation. 0.95

01:33:49.000 ...any place in the world. 0.98

01:33:50.000 That would drive down...

01:33:52.000 Let's play the dating game.

01:33:54.000 Here's the bill.

01:33:55.000 Who wants it?

01:33:57.000 They always pick each other.

01:33:58.000 They look for a good weekend together.

01:34:01.000 Terrible.

01:34:04.000 We should be negotiating drug prices through Medicare.

01:34:10.000 Oh, there it is, Medicare.

01:34:11.000 We're back to it.

01:34:13.000 Right now, Republicans put language in some years ago, which prevents them from negotiating prices.

01:34:18.000 I would hope Ted will join me in saying that Medicare should be able to do what the VA does.

01:34:24.000 We can lower prices as well.

01:34:26.000 Well, good.

01:34:26.000 Let's use the VA as a shiny example of how the system should work.

01:34:29.000 You've got 1,400 well-paid lobbyists right now.

01:34:32.000 Get the headstones right, guys.

01:34:33.000 They're working against you.

01:34:33.000 We'll start there.

01:34:34.000 They're working against your daughter.

01:34:36.000 The only thing they want is more and more profit.

01:34:39.000 This is like a parody.

01:34:39.000 Oh, God.

01:34:40.000 They could care less about the needs of the American people.

01:34:42.000 Well, but, Bernie, the barriers are also coming from government.

01:34:44.000 And I'll give an example.

01:34:46.000 A Texas constituent, Cassie Lay, has a seven-year-old daughter.

01:34:49.000 Hey, Cassie J. We have a show tomorrow, by the way.

01:34:51.000 That was put on a feeding tube when she was seven months old.

01:34:53.000 And there's a drug called Domperidone.

01:34:56.000 That is used all across the world to treat the condition she has called gastroparesis. 0.85

01:35:03.000 She was put on Domperidone, this seven-month-old girl.

01:35:05.000 She was off the feeding tube.

01:35:07.000 She was living well.

01:35:09.000 Domperidone is available in more than 100 countries, including Canada and throughout the European Union.

01:35:13.000 Did you say Domperidone?

01:35:14.000 I think it was champagne that's available everywhere.

01:35:18.000 And I'll tell you what Cassie's mother said.

01:35:22.000 I fear she will need to get a feeding tube again. 0.99

01:35:25.000 How do I tell her that?

01:35:26.000 She's a little girl who has worked extremely hard to overcome her fears of eating, and now her joy of just being a normal little girl will be taken away.

01:35:36.000 We shouldn't have the government putting barriers to people getting the drugs they need.

01:35:41.000 Okay, I think that's a fair.

01:35:42.000 You should see your Edward the sound guy.

01:35:44.000 I can't drink anymore.

01:35:46.000 Mine's 13%. 1.00

01:35:49.000 Damn, this is a pathetic. 1.00

01:35:51.000 It'd be a lot easier if we only had to drive home in Vermont. 1.00

01:35:56.000 You could drive for 80 square miles and not hit anything other than a lady giving a smear of power. 0.99

01:36:04.000 Will you join me?

01:36:05.000 I do appreciate you coming on board the re-importation.

01:36:07.000 I really do.

01:36:08.000 And we can win it if we get Republican support.

01:36:11.000 Will you stand with me in saying that Medicare, which spends a huge amount of money for prescription drugs, should be able to negotiate prices?

01:36:19.000 Listen, of course Medicare should negotiate, but you and I have a different view on how you control greed.

01:36:25.000 Hold on, let me finish what I'm saying.

01:36:29.000 Your view, you said before that, gosh, these executives make way too much money.

01:36:33.000 I don't think the government should be in the business of deciding what you get paid and you get paid and you get paid.

01:36:39.000 And there are socialist countries on Earth.

01:36:41.000 There are socialist countries that you encourage us to be like.

01:36:44.000 But those countries are not doing nearly as well as America.

01:36:49.000 You know, the per capita income in America is over five times the average per capita income in this world.

01:36:55.000 It's 50% more than the per capita income in Europe.

01:36:58.000 This is a land of opportunity because there's social mobility.

01:37:02.000 In socialist countries, if you're born poor, you usually stay poor.

01:37:07.000 He's been on the ropes this entire time.

01:37:15.000 Bernie's just in there at this point just to be there.

01:37:17.000 At the end of it, he's going to be like Robert De Niro on Raging Bull.

01:37:20.000 You never got me down!

01:37:22.000 You didn't get me down, Cruz!

01:37:25.000 You never got me down!

01:37:29.000 Yeah, that does concern me.

01:37:32.000 In terms of socialist countries, do you think Denmark and Sweden and Finland are terrible places?

01:37:40.000 He's also racist. 0.88

01:37:42.000 Those are all white countries. 0.99

01:37:44.000 To America and to the Affordable Care Act.

01:37:48.000 Throughout your campaign, you said the taxes should go up on the rich, not the middle class, and yet millions of Americans who chose not to get health care are forced to pay a tax penalty.

01:38:01.000 So families of four are paying up to $2,000 per year for failing to purchase coverage.

01:38:07.000 Many say that they can't afford the premium, so it's just cheaper for them to pay the penalty than get health care.

01:38:13.000 So is it fair to put this tax burden on families?

01:38:16.000 No.

01:38:17.000 It's not.

01:38:17.000 But on the other hand, is it fair to not raise the revenue that we need to provide the kinds of benefits that we have?

01:38:24.000 Oh, but we need it.

01:38:25.000 It's for a good cause.

01:38:26.000 No, it's not.

01:38:27.000 Let's fix this.

01:38:28.000 No, it's not.

01:38:28.000 Yeah.

01:38:29.000 But we need it.

01:38:30.000 But we're going to do it anyway. 0.98

01:38:35.000 Because I'm a prick. 0.94

01:38:37.000 ...to millionaires and billionaires. 0.92

01:38:40.000 This law owner's not a millionaire, billionaire.

01:38:42.000 You just took a steaming dump on her, Bernie.

01:38:45.000 He just took a Bernie.

01:38:46.000 He just took a Bernie.

01:38:48.000 I just squeezed out a corn-infested piping hot Bernie.

01:38:55.000 Anytime a liberal goes after a small business owner, they just Bernie'd on her. 1.00

01:38:59.000 Okay, that's got to be a new thing.

01:39:00.000 Hashtag Bernie.

01:39:01.000 I just took a warm, pungent, peanut filter.

01:39:06.000 Peanuts?

01:39:07.000 Why peanuts?

01:39:08.000 Bernie.

01:39:09.000 Well, Dana, let me point out that Bernie acknowledged that 6.5 million Americans are paying Obamacare tax fines because they can't afford insurance.

01:39:19.000 So they can't afford health insurance.

01:39:21.000 And then the IRS comes in and fines them.

01:39:23.000 And he says, gosh, I don't agree with that.

01:39:25.000 And yet throughout the Democratic debate, Bernie says he helped write Obamacare that imposes these fines on people.

01:39:31.000 I think it's wrong to be fining people.

01:39:33.000 But let me make a broader point on that. 0.67

01:39:36.000 Bernie's pooping himself.

01:39:37.000 He just did this.

01:39:38.000 Bernie has talked about providing health care for free from the government.

01:39:42.000 You know what?

01:39:43.000 The simplest principle in economics is tonstoffel.

01:39:45.000 There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

01:39:48.000 The liberal-leaning Urban Institute scored Bernie's health plan, concluded it would cost $2.5 trillion in the first year and $32 trillion over 10 years.

01:39:59.000 Now, how much is that?

01:40:00.000 Trillions is a big number.

01:40:01.000 It's not clear what that is.

01:40:02.000 Let me put it in perspective.

01:40:04.000 All of the federal income taxes we pay today Are about 1.5 trillion a year. 0.99

01:40:10.000 I feel like any minute Bernie will just say, fuck it, who wants to go to norms? 0.98

01:40:18.000 To get an additional 2.5 trillion. 1.00

01:40:21.000 Now Bernie, no doubt, is going to come back and say, no, no, no, no.

01:40:24.000 None of you are going to pay.

01:40:26.000 Just the rich.

01:40:28.000 Well, how about if we took every person that makes over a million dollars a year and confiscated 100% of their income, took every penny that they make.

01:40:36.000 Look at him.

01:40:36.000 He's smiling.

01:40:37.000 That would raise only enough money to fund Bernie's plan for five months.

01:40:41.000 You just orgasmed.

01:40:42.000 Here's another idea.

01:40:43.000 Oh, I thought this was going to work good.

01:40:47.000 Of Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, and ExxonMobil.

01:40:53.000 If it came in illegally, seized those companies and sold them, that would pay for one year of Bernie's plan.

01:40:59.000 That's right.

01:41:00.000 If you don't want to see your taxes triple, He will not address this in his response.

01:41:11.000 He absolutely will not address that it's absolutely impossible to pay for.

01:41:17.000 I'm going to say absolutely one more time.

01:41:17.000 Absolutely.

01:41:18.000 Ted Cruz just took a Bernie on Bernie.

01:41:21.000 He did out Bernie the Bernie.

01:41:23.000 You can't out Bernie the Bernie.

01:41:26.000 Ted Cruz's Wall Street Journal.

01:41:28.000 MTV Bernie!

01:41:30.000 We have to make him look young and hip.

01:41:34.000 The top 1% of U.S. households, adding about one-third to their after-tax income.

01:41:39.000 Here is the economic reality facing America.

01:41:42.000 He's not addressing it at all.

01:41:43.000 In the last 35 years...

01:41:45.000 There has been a massive transfer of wealth from the middle class and the working class to the top one-tenth of one percent.

01:41:51.000 We're talking about trillions of dollars.

01:41:54.000 Ted's response to that is he's gonna support the repeal of the estate tax, correct?

01:42:00.000 You're on record in doing that.

01:42:02.000 And Bernie's now going to say he wants to favor the rich.

01:42:08.000 Address those numbers, Bernie.

01:42:09.000 In a college debate club right now, you'd be called on it.

01:42:13.000 The teacher would call you.

01:42:15.000 I'd be like, I'm sorry, Bernie.

01:42:16.000 I'm sorry.

01:42:17.000 So this right-wing hyperbole about we can confiscate everybody, it's not going to do anything.

01:42:22.000 It's true.

01:42:24.000 If we pass the Sanders plan, 95% of people in this country would have more after-tax income than they have right now.

01:42:35.000 Senators, I'm sorry.

01:42:37.000 It's clear we have a lot more to debate, and we can do that at a later time.

01:42:40.000 Go grab an insure.

01:42:41.000 Fuel up.

01:42:42.000 Closing statements about health care.

01:42:44.000 He didn't address it at all.

01:42:47.000 He was asked a very serious question.

01:42:49.000 He was given numbers and statistics to deal with, and he took a Bernie.

01:42:53.000 You know what?

01:42:54.000 We should check in here.

01:42:55.000 We're getting late in the evening.

01:42:56.000 Is Jean-Guy, do we have Jean-Guy?

01:42:58.000 Jean-Guy Tremblay, are you still there, Mr. Journey for Bernie?

01:43:01.000 Are you there?

01:43:01.000 Jean-Guy.

01:43:03.000 Oh, my gosh.

01:43:05.000 Yeah, ma'am.

01:43:09.000 Yeah, man!

01:43:10.000 Hey! 0.99

01:43:11.000 Hey! 0.99

01:43:12.000 Hey, man!

01:43:13.000 Hey, can you hear me still, man?

01:43:15.000 Hey, I can hear you, Jean-D. Can you hear that?

01:43:18.000 What?

01:43:20.000 Your mother! 0.98

01:43:22.000 Is a box turtle. 0.98

01:43:24.000 Ooh.

01:43:25.000 A box turtle.

01:43:26.000 Box turtles, yeah.

01:43:26.000 You know, don't cut to me anymore, okay?

01:43:29.000 I don't...

01:43:29.000 I'm going to...

01:43:30.000 I'm going to go enjoy my beer in f***ing peace! 0.84

01:43:34.000 Oh, okay. 0.91

01:43:35.000 That's enough.

01:43:37.000 Let's get rid of Jean-Guy, probably.

01:43:38.000 I think he's had enough tonight.

01:43:41.000 Jean-Guy, I hope you find whatever it is you're looking for.

01:43:48.000 A box turtle, yes.

01:43:49.000 That's an insult.

01:43:51.000 Okay, tweet me at S. Crowder or at NotKJarrett or at G. Morgan Jr.

01:43:56.000 I try to look at things objectively.

01:43:58.000 You know, when I looked at the debates, remember we said Trump won one.

01:44:00.000 Hillary won one of them clearly. 0.58

01:44:03.000 I'm trying to remember the order.

01:44:04.000 And then one of them was a bit of a toss-up you might give to Hillary. 0.99

01:44:08.000 In this context, I think it's pretty clear-cut Ted Cruz has severely dominated Bernie Sanders.

01:44:16.000 I think he run-ruled him for all you minor league baseball, or I'm sorry, little league baseball fans.

01:44:21.000 This is when you call the game after the third inning because it's making the other team not want to compete and play the sport anymore.

01:44:26.000 Oh, the mercy rule.

01:44:27.000 Exactly.

01:44:27.000 The mercy rule is in full effect here.

01:44:29.000 Ted just mopped the floor with him, but I will say this.

01:44:31.000 He was in danger of doing too good of a job, and he was able to soften it up pretty well.

01:44:36.000 He made some really good connections, some jokes, said that he liked Bernie, and he agreed with him on something.

01:44:41.000 It looks tough if you keep going to the body on a 98-year-old.

01:44:44.000 Yeah, you start to be...

01:44:45.000 You gotta go to the body on a 98-year-old.

01:44:48.000 I'm surprised he's still standing. 0.95

01:44:50.000 By the way, there are a lot of pictures of Bernie fiddling with his balls tonight, in case you haven't seen this. 0.99

01:44:55.000 Him walking around with his hands, cupping his genitals. 1.00

01:44:59.000 Genitalia, yes. 1.00

01:45:00.000 Cupping his scrotum and testicles. 1.00

01:45:02.000 You know, they would fit perfectly in a Louder with Crowder mug. 1.00

01:45:07.000 As not gay Jared knows all too well. 0.62

01:45:09.000 Yes, indeed.

01:45:11.000 Enjoy your single origin coffee, Jared.

01:45:14.000 I believe they call that teabag.

01:45:16.000 I'm just saying...

01:45:16.000 I don't know.

01:45:18.000 Well, it's not really teabagging at that point.

01:45:21.000 Okay, so closing statements.

01:45:22.000 What do we expect to see in closing statements?

01:45:24.000 I expect Ted Cruz to close the statement that he agrees with Bernie on the idea that health care needs to be fixed, but that if you look at the facts and statistics, or to some degree thereof, you will see that government has not solved the problem and has made it worse, particularly under Obama.

01:45:39.000 I expect Bernie Sanders to say, we need more equality, and the rich are not paying their fair share, and it's time to get along with all the other countries in the world and mimic their healthcare plans.

01:45:51.000 Are those his notes, by the way, or is that the Denny's takeout menu?

01:45:55.000 I'm always curious.

01:45:56.000 No, no, for Bernie.

01:45:56.000 For Ted Cruz?

01:45:57.000 Way past my eating time.

01:45:59.000 The one white piece of paper he's had, the only notes set all night.

01:46:02.000 I want corned beef, no pastrami, no pastrami, no corned beef!

01:46:07.000 Yeah, what do you think, Gerald?

01:46:09.000 I think, yeah, that's definitely what's going to happen.

01:46:12.000 He doesn't have any kind of argument, and so he's just going to connect emotionally.

01:46:16.000 Ted Cruz, if he's smart, he's going to keep facts in there, but he's also going to connect a little bit emotionally at the end and make sure he makes the point.

01:46:22.000 We want health care, not health insurance.

01:46:25.000 We're talking about the outside observer.

01:46:26.000 A little smarmy sometimes, like he's too smart for you, but sometimes he comes off really well, and I think he's done that tonight.

01:46:33.000 So I think he's done a great job, and I think if he connects, we'll be fine.

01:46:36.000 Okay, that's a good point.

01:46:38.000 Well, you're saying what they need.

01:46:39.000 I said what I think they will do, and that's good insight from Gerald Morgan, what they need to do.

01:46:45.000 Of course, as usual, no insight from Not Gay. 1.00

01:46:47.000 Jared, we are back. 0.93

01:46:49.000 Other than he's not gay. 1.00

01:46:51.000 Not gay. 1.00

01:46:51.000 Now it's time for closing statements. 1.00

01:46:53.000 Each senator will get two minutes.

01:46:56.000 We're going to begin with Senator Bernie Sanders.

01:46:58.000 Senator.

01:46:59.000 Well, let me thank Ted for being here.

01:47:01.000 Let me thank CNN for sponsoring this debate, which I thought has been a very interesting discussion.

01:47:09.000 As I see it, the great political problem that we face right now is that we have a Congress that is more interested in representing their campaign contributors and the very wealthy than the needs of ordinary Americans.

01:47:24.000 Ted ran a very vigorous campaign for president.

01:47:27.000 Congratulate him.

01:47:28.000 But Ted also received $36 million in that campaign from three billionaires.

01:47:34.000 Three billionaires.

01:47:35.000 And as a result of Citizens United, we're now looking at the Koch brothers, the second wealthiest family in America, and other billionaires literally buying elections.

01:47:46.000 And that translates into health care.

01:47:49.000 The Koch brothers were against Donald Trump, by the way.

01:47:52.000 So they're not buying elections very well.

01:47:55.000 And the pharmaceutical industry and the medical equipment suppliers than they do about the needs of the American people. 0.99

01:48:03.000 Who provides the needs of the American people, dumbass? 0.96

01:48:06.000 If you listen closely to the very fine questions that people here ask tonight, and you take a step backward, you say, whoa, what kind of craziness is this? 0.98

01:48:15.000 We are the wealthiest country in the history of the world.

01:48:19.000 And yet we have tens and tens and tens of millions of people struggling with prescription drugs, struggling with basic health care.

01:48:28.000 Yes, we can do better than that.

01:48:31.000 And then on top of all of that, we end up spending almost twice as much per capita on health care as do the people of any other country.

01:48:40.000 They don't have to protect the rest of the world, nor create the drugs that all the other countries enjoy, Bernie.

01:48:48.000 We have got to go further.

01:48:49.000 But what Ted wants to do is do away with many of the patient protection bills, provisions that were passed, pre-existing conditions.

01:48:58.000 What's the word?

01:49:00.000 Prozac! 0.99

01:49:02.000 Making sure that women are not discriminated against.

01:49:05.000 Making sure that young people can stay on their parents' insurance programs. 0.73

01:49:10.000 Under Ted's idea, all of that is gone.

01:49:13.000 You are on your own.

01:49:15.000 I think that is a very bad idea.

01:49:18.000 Thank you, Senator.

01:49:19.000 Senator Kerr?

01:49:19.000 Wow, that was nothing.

01:49:20.000 I want to thank Bernie for being here and for being a vigorous and honest debater.

01:49:25.000 He believes what he believes and he represents it well.

01:49:28.000 And I want to thank each of you for spending so much time addressing this critically important issue.

01:49:34.000 You know, I'd like to take a minute and actually ask the people here if the cameras could turn for a moment to the folks in the audience.

01:49:40.000 I want to ask you, how many of you here in the last six years have seen your health insurance premiums or your deductibles go up?

01:49:51.000 Let me ask another question.

01:49:53.000 How many of you here know somebody, including yourself, who's had your insurance policy cancelled in the last six years?

01:50:02.000 Oh, that's me too.

01:50:03.000 Really?

01:50:04.000 If you look at these hands across the room, this is why people are so unhappy with Obamacare.

01:50:08.000 Because it isn't working.

01:50:10.000 Because it was built on an edifice of lies.

01:50:14.000 When politicians promise the American people, if you like your plan, you can keep your plan.

01:50:19.000 If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

01:50:21.000 And six million people get their plans canceled against their wishes.

01:50:26.000 Those are broken promises.

01:50:29.000 When the President of the United States promises your premiums will drop $2,500 and instead the average premium rises $5,000 and deductibles go up $5,000, people are hurting because of Obamacare.

01:50:41.000 And Bernie's solution...

01:50:42.000 Almost nobody, even on the left, questions the facts that Ted Cruz brings to the table.

01:50:47.000 Their criticism is he's too mechanical, not that he's wrong.

01:50:50.000 And every time they record it, his solution is more cowbell, more cowbell.

01:50:54.000 More cowbell.

01:50:55.000 There's government control that messed this all up.

01:50:58.000 And Bernie and the Democrats' solution is more cowbell, more cowbell.

01:51:03.000 Yeah, it didn't work when we said you wouldn't get your plan canceled.

01:51:06.000 Yeah, it didn't work when we said your premiums would be cut.

01:51:08.000 But give government even more power.

01:51:11.000 We can do better.

01:51:12.000 I believe we're going to honor the promises we made to the American people, and we're going to repeal what Bill Clinton called Obamacare the craziest law in the world.

01:51:21.000 Instead, we're going to give you choice, let you buy insurance across state lines, expand health savings account, make insurance portable.

01:51:30.000 Block Grant, Medicaid to the state so you can have experimentation, health savings accounts, so we can meet your needs.

01:51:37.000 Put you in charge of your health care with your doctor, not government.

01:51:43.000 That's what this election was about, and now it is incumbent on all of us, Republicans and Democrats, to deliver on the promises made to the American people.

01:51:52.000 Our thanks to Senators Cruz and Senator Sanders for joining us here tonight.

01:51:57.000 And we also want to thank our audience here, our host at my alma mater.

01:52:02.000 We're looking up whispering in my ear.

01:52:04.000 By the way, we want to thank our audience who we pulled from the intensive care ward at the Cleveland Clinic.

01:52:12.000 Okay, so let's wrap this up.

01:52:13.000 You know what's funny is we pretty much predicted the final statements to a T. We did, yes.

01:52:17.000 Between us, we're brilliant.

01:52:18.000 This is why they make Ted Cruz out to be evil.

01:52:20.000 Because Ted Ted Cruz is better than his opposition.

01:52:23.000 Ted Cruz is smarter.

01:52:24.000 He's able to provide this information.

01:52:25.000 It's very rare that you hear people...

01:52:26.000 If they fact-check Ted Cruz on one thing, it's national news because it's pretty rare.

01:52:31.000 If they fact-check Ted...

01:52:32.000 They'll probably say...

01:52:33.000 Ted Cruz will probably become a meme where he said, congratulations on your struggle with whatever it was.

01:52:38.000 Right, yeah.

01:52:59.000 Honestly, the drinking game sounds trivial, it sounds silly, but it was remarkably predictable.

01:53:05.000 And that's why we do this by design, because it is so easy to see where the left is going to come from on these.

01:53:11.000 Now, if you're going to debate a leftist, you have to assume that they know everything.

01:53:15.000 You have to assume that they know what they're talking about.

01:53:18.000 Ted Cruz here came prepared and Bernie Sanders didn't.

01:53:21.000 This is the example of where we talk about mainstream leftism.

01:53:23.000 They are so much in a bubble.

01:53:25.000 They are so much in an echo chamber.

01:53:27.000 The pussy hat economics and the women's march and the Black Lives Matter and the banning people on college campus, if you look at it, they create an environment where they can only hear from like-minded people. 0.98

01:53:37.000 They're not used to getting in the other team's title.

01:53:40.000 They're not used to actually getting out on the field and playing a single down.

01:53:44.000 And we saw that tonight.

01:53:46.000 Bernie never got to make it to a primary.

01:53:49.000 And we saw what happens.

01:53:51.000 It's the difference between kung fu, fake martial arts, and really getting to the mat, really getting in the cage.

01:53:57.000 And I think that's what we saw with Bernie Sanders.

01:53:58.000 I don't think he was equipped.

01:53:59.000 No.

01:53:59.000 No, he wasn't at all.

01:54:00.000 And it's funny that you say that they want to surround themselves with the same ideas, and they actually react violently to people who oppose those ideas.

01:54:08.000 There's a religion that kind of does that, too, and I can't remember if it's...

01:54:11.000 Oh! 0.60

01:54:11.000 Oh, Islam. 0.60

01:54:12.000 Yes, that's right.

01:54:12.000 Oh, I was going to say Mormons.

01:54:15.000 That's true.

01:54:16.000 Special underwear and everything.

01:54:17.000 But these guys don't want to hear truth.

01:54:20.000 But yet, they are the people that are teaching across this country on college campuses, the next generation.

01:54:27.000 So you've got to win the hearts and minds of the people that are about to leave college, and they cannot...

01:54:33.000 Cannot, cannot be Bernie supporters.

01:54:36.000 That's changing though.

01:54:37.000 It should.

01:54:38.000 You know why?

01:54:38.000 Because the Bernie supporters on campus and the rest have reached so far that just anyone with any common sense left is going, alright, they're calling everyone Nazis, they're burning stuff down, they're punching people in Berkeley.

01:54:51.000 This is not what I'm about.

01:54:52.000 And I think Bernie will be less and less relevant because of the extremism that is now mainstream leftism.

01:54:59.000 Yeah, they're actually protesting free speech by banning free speech.

01:55:03.000 So I don't understand how this goes.

01:55:05.000 But I think if the economy does well under Trump, you're going to see a lot fewer protests.

01:55:09.000 You're going to see a lot fewer socialists come about.

01:55:11.000 I mean, can you imagine 50 years ago somebody like Bernie Sanders?

01:55:16.000 Out there parading around and saying socialism is not a bad word.

01:55:19.000 We need to get comfortable with socialism and what that means and understand it.

01:55:22.000 Can you imagine that that's even a possibility after what we saw socialism did to the world?

01:55:27.000 I can imagine in 70-something years ago.

01:55:28.000 It's called Stalin.

01:55:29.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:55:30.000 We've been down this road before.

01:55:32.000 Do people not read history books?

01:55:34.000 Not good, Jared.

01:55:34.000 Your read.

01:55:36.000 You just didn't want me to go here.

01:55:37.000 I concur with all of the above.

01:55:38.000 Alright, so there we go.

01:55:39.000 I think it was an overall successful live stream evening.

01:55:42.000 Not Gay Jared will be driven home by G. Morgan Jr. 0.95

01:55:45.000 So, at G. Morgan Jr., at Not Gay Jared, me, at Ask Credit.

01:55:48.000 Let us know what you think.

01:55:49.000 Tomorrow we'll be uploading some clips.

01:55:51.000 I think it was a success.

01:55:52.000 I think Ted Cruz did well.

01:55:54.000 I think Bernie Sanders came ill-equipped.

01:55:56.000 This was exactly what we always predicted.

01:55:58.000 We said, I want to see Bernie versus Ted.

01:56:01.000 Socialism versus conservatism.

01:56:02.000 It was the appeal to emotion versus facts, statistics, logic.

01:56:09.000 Also, no boogers were eaten.

01:56:11.000 So I would consider tonight a success.

01:56:14.000 Go home, drive safely, enjoy your smear of pap.

Louder with Crowder - February 08, 2017

EPIC BERNIE VS. TED CRUZ LIVESTREAM! (With Crowder and Friends)

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