Louder with Crowder - 🔴 EXCLUSIVE: J6 Prisoner Enrique Tarrio’s First Sit Down Interview Since Trump Pardon

00:00:00.000 The Department of Injustice wanted you to work with them to go after President Trump.

00:00:05.000 They tell you a story, right?

00:00:07.000 And they did this with a lot of J6ers. 1.00

00:00:10.000 If this isn't the truth, then we're not going to give you any deal. 0.99

00:00:15.000 Tell them to go kick f***ing rocks. 0.98

00:00:18.000 Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio has been sentenced to 22 years in prison for charges including seditious conspiracy. 0.98

00:00:26.000 This becomes the longest sentence so far among all January 6 cases.

00:00:30.000 Now we have this sentence for what the judge described as the ultimate leader of the conspiracy, the leader of the Proud Boys, the person who is really at the center of the conspiracy.

00:00:42.000 Many took to X to mock the Afro-Cuban white nationalists for being the face of white supremacy.

00:00:48.000 I'm glad to see that the American people and our system of democracy and rule of law are holding people accountable.

00:00:58.000 Enrique Tarrio, more than three decades behind bars, is what they want.

00:01:01.000 He was the last Proud Boys leader to receive his punishment for the riot.

00:01:04.000 This week, the former head of the far-right Proud Boys was sentenced for his role in that assault on our democracy.

00:01:10.000 Enrique Tarrio was the ultimate leader of the conspiracy.

00:01:13.000 There's a terrible threat on the domestic front.

00:01:16.000 And a great threat may come from within rather than without.

00:01:19.000 Prosecutors say that he was essentially pulling all the strings and he would have been there on January 6th had he had the opportunity.

00:01:25.000 Today, let's start with the stories you've heard.

00:01:38.000 Enrique Tarrio, so-called leader of the Proud Boys, was convicted of seditious conspiracy.

00:01:46.000 And sentenced to 22 years in prison in 2023. And according to the DOJ, Tario, even though he wasn't in D.C., he was the mastermind of a plot to obstruct, influence, impede the official Electoral College certification on what is now the infamous January 6th.

00:02:09.000 You've heard him labeled Everything from a domestic terrorist compared to Timothy McVeigh or the Boston bomber to being a fed, a plant.

00:02:23.000 You likely believed a lot of these stories.

00:02:27.000 And he was locked away for them in a federal prison where he would stay until he was nearly 60 years old.

00:02:37.000 But if those stories are true, if any of them are true, Why the pardon?

00:02:44.000 Thanks to President Donald Trump, along with a lot of other people from January 6th.

00:02:51.000 Tarrio was released this Tuesday.

00:02:56.000 And so, for the first time in an exclusive sit-down with Brianna Morello on behalf of Rumble Premium here, Lauder with Crowder, Enrique Tarrio will give you his side of the story.

00:03:12.000 One that you no doubt have not heard from legacy media and certainly not reported by the government.

00:03:20.000 This is his detailed truth behind everything.

00:03:23.000 The days leading up to January 6th, the conditions in which he lived, what he was subjected to in prison, and above all else, hopefully the truth that you may never have known.

00:03:49.000 Well, it's an honor to be sitting here with the man himself, Enrique Tarrio, fresh out of the pen after, well, a couple of years.

00:03:57.000 And it's been crazy, Enrique.

00:03:58.000 Thank you for joining me.

00:03:59.000 You just were pardoned by President Trump.

00:04:01.000 This is your first sit-down interview, so welcome.

00:04:03.000 Thank you.

00:04:04.000 And I'm actually honored to be on the show and be here with you and be here with your audience and Steve.

00:04:13.000 Yeah.

00:04:14.000 I'm actually kind of disappointed that we didn't have the Steve Crowder mugs.

00:04:17.000 Oh, Mug Club! 0.71

00:04:19.000 The Mug Club.

00:04:20.000 Yeah, yes.

00:04:21.000 Well, we'll get you some.

00:04:22.000 Those are vintage these days.

00:04:23.000 Yeah, I'm holding it against them.

00:04:25.000 Well, let Stephen know.

00:04:27.000 He'll definitely have a couple of those going your way.

00:04:30.000 Because, well, I mean, there's a lot to celebrate, so you definitely could use a good mug on your hands these days.

00:04:35.000 It's been a crazy couple of days for you.

00:04:37.000 And you and I have been communicating over these last few days.

00:04:39.000 And I am a total disbelief.

00:04:41.000 You know, President Trump issuing this pardon to you after you were sentenced to 22 years in prison for a rally that you weren't even at.

00:04:49.000 So let's just get your initial reaction to the moment where you realize President Trump was going to give you back your freedom and get you out of solitary confinement and get you out of this prison system that they've been literally been going after you for.

00:05:04.000 Yeah, so you used the word disbelief.

00:05:07.000 I didn't have that disbelief.

00:05:10.000 I knew that if he got elected and they didn't steal the election, that we'd be pardoned, we, by all these J6ers. 1.00

00:05:19.000 And I knew he was going to pardon or commit the sentence of everybody.

00:05:26.000 It was a good hunch, because that's exactly what he did.

00:05:28.000 He went ahead and he pardoned everybody.

00:05:31.000 And he commuted some sentences, and some of those, I think, are temporary commutations, because if you look down that list of commutations, there are people that had very extensive trials, three-month trials, four-month trials.

00:05:46.000 In our case, specifically, there's about 60,000 pages of transcripts, so there's a lot to go through, and I think he did.

00:05:56.000 He did go case by case, and he saw that most of these cases.

00:06:02.000 Right?

00:06:02.000 Justice was, there wasn't equality in justice when it came to J6ers or when it came to other cases.

00:06:10.000 So I think promise is made, promise is kept, so I'm thankful for the president.

00:06:17.000 Yeah, and that's really something that he's always done, and I think it's really impressive that he did it the day he got there, and that was really, really important.

00:06:25.000 And you mentioned that there are some who haven't yet been pardoned, but they've been released from prison.

00:06:29.000 Stuart Rhodes, I mean, I followed his trial as well.

00:06:31.000 The amount of perjury committed during his trial was insane.

00:06:34.000 I mean, they literally put two officers on the stand who, now, because of Joe Biden, cannot be prosecuted, of course, because they issued a pardon to them.

00:06:43.000 They could be insulted.

00:06:45.000 Which I intend to do.

00:06:47.000 Yes.

00:06:47.000 I mean, you got to do that at least.

00:06:50.000 And I always tag them in my post too, and I do that on X as well.

00:06:53.000 It's just so enraging to see what's happened over the years.

00:06:55.000 But, you know, I want to take it back to your story because, like I said, you weren't there that day.

00:07:00.000 You were nowhere near the Capitol, and yet for some reason, the DOJ wanted you to go to prison for 33 years.

00:07:06.000 You were sentenced to 22 years, though.

00:07:08.000 Judge gave me a break.

00:07:09.000 Well, that's the part where I was kind of crazy, because I know when we spoke, you were like, oh, 22 years, not so bad.

00:07:14.000 That was kind of your initial reaction when you thought about it.

00:07:17.000 But talk a little bit about that, because 22 years is a very long time.

00:07:21.000 It is.

00:07:22.000 So when I first got...

00:07:24.000 When I first got arrested, you know, I hired my attorney, Naipa San and Sabino Jaregi, and they were awesome, first and foremost.

00:07:33.000 And they came in first meeting, they're like, look, you know, we're going to fight this thing, but just letting you know, if we lose, you're going to do about four years.

00:07:46.000 And I thought that was insane.

00:07:49.000 I'm like, four years? 0.94

00:07:50.000 Are you crazy?

00:07:53.000 As time progressed, and as they denied me bail, there was a gentleman, I don't remember the name, that he was the first person to go to trial, and I believe his name is Guy Raffet. 0.54

00:08:05.000 And I went to trial, and there was a big situation with that, and he got seven years.

00:08:10.000 He went to trial, he stood his ground, he took the stand in his defense, and the jury still found him guilty.

00:08:17.000 And we'll get into juries in a second.

00:08:22.000 It got increased to like seven years.

00:08:24.000 But I'm like, wait, hold on.

00:08:25.000 I wasn't even there, so they can't give me seven years.

00:08:29.000 But now we move the field goalpost.

00:08:33.000 Seven years.

00:08:34.000 So we decide to go to trial.

00:08:37.000 They offer me an 11-year plea deal.

00:08:39.000 And I wasn't going to take that.

00:08:41.000 I'm like, well, this guy got seven years and he was there.

00:08:43.000 He didn't do anything wrong, but he got seven years.

00:08:48.000 How are you going to offer me that I wasn't there 11 years?

00:08:51.000 And I denied it.

00:08:53.000 I'm like, no, I'm not going to do that.

00:08:54.000 So we go to trial, and we lose, obviously.

00:09:00.000 Jury.

00:09:01.000 Yeah, liberals.

00:09:03.000 And my attorney's like, look, they might give you a man.

00:09:09.000 I'm going to tell you, but you need to keep your nerves calm.

00:09:16.000 He goes, you might get 10 years.

00:09:19.000 I'm like, man, 10 years?

00:09:22.000 That's wild.

00:09:24.000 The PSI comes back, which is a recommendation by the probation officer.

00:09:28.000 The judges almost, at least in South Florida, because I've had other cases since my first rodeo, they usually almost 100% of the time go with what's called the PSI. PSI comes back at 14 years.

00:09:43.000 I'm like, 14 years?

00:09:45.000 That's crazy!

00:09:49.000 DOJ comes in and says, wow, we're going to give you, seditionists, we're going to give you 33 years.

00:09:55.000 That's how much we want to give you and you guys deserve it.

00:09:58.000 I'm like, alright, I think it's good that they asked for 33 years because it's outrageous.

00:10:04.000 And I'm like, because it's so outrageous, the judge isn't going to go for it.

00:10:08.000 So I'm not going to get the 14 years.

00:10:10.000 And you had a Trump-appointed judge.

00:10:12.000 I had a Trump-appointed judge.

00:10:13.000 I mean, the way that they appoint those judges...

00:10:17.000 There's a whole other ballgame.

00:10:18.000 But they were harder, the Trump-appointed judges.

00:10:22.000 Some of them, actually two of them, the two, I guess, I hate using the word lenient.

00:10:28.000 The more lenient ones were Trump appointees anyways.

00:10:32.000 But yes, the stronger ones were Trump appointees. 0.91

00:10:38.000 So I thought the ridiculousness of 33 years would...

00:10:42.000 The judge would be like, no, I'm not going to give him 33 years. 0.99

00:10:45.000 What are you crazy?

00:10:46.000 I was like, it's a Trump-appointed judge. 0.99

00:10:48.000 No problem.

00:10:51.000 He went ahead and he's like, I'm going to give you the 33 years, but I'm going to do something I've never done.

00:11:04.000 Mind you, this is the judge's second trial ever in his life.

00:11:10.000 I'm going to do something I've never done and I never plan on doing.

00:11:14.000 I'm going to cut your sentence almost in a third.

00:11:17.000 I'm going to give you 22 years.

00:11:19.000 I'm like, oh, that's nice.

00:11:21.000 But by that time, my co-defendants, I was supposed to be the first one.

00:11:26.000 My colloquine to him was based On me being first because I wanted to make sure that the guys didn't pay for what he was going to give me.

00:11:38.000 I knew he was going to give me a high sentence.

00:11:40.000 But I wanted to make sure that my guys didn't pay for that.

00:11:42.000 Because if I'm first and it's high, they set the bar high.

00:11:46.000 But it ended up being he got sick that day and I ended up being last.

00:11:53.000 And he gave my co-defendants Joe Biggs, Ethan Nordean, Dominic Pozzola, Zachary Real.

00:12:01.000 18, 17, 15, and 10 years.

00:12:04.000 And I came in being like, oh, I'm going to get four years.

00:12:09.000 That's crazy.

00:12:10.000 Getting 22 years.

00:12:11.000 And then after that, the DOJ actually appealed, before we were able to put an appeal, the DOJ appealed our sentence because it was too low.

00:12:19.000 Which is unheard of, by the way.

00:12:21.000 This is Matthew Graves' office.

00:12:22.000 And Matthew Graves' office, if you follow, he's very liberal.

00:12:24.000 And so...

00:12:26.000 When it's a tough crime, when it's a crime that's actually violence, when it's a crime that he probably should prosecute to the full extent of the law, he decides not to, and he opts out of that.

00:12:34.000 And that's the reason why D.C. is such a train wreck these days.

00:12:37.000 But to hear that they were appealing your sentence because they still wanted the 33 years is a gut check at that point.

00:12:44.000 Because, I mean, 22 years for a man your age, that is a massive chunk of your life.

00:12:50.000 That's a life sentence, let's be honest.

00:12:52.000 That's exactly what it is.

00:12:54.000 It's a life sentence. 0.99

00:12:59.000 And even getting those 22 years, again, I was like, damn. 0.99

00:13:04.000 But there was hope. 0.98

00:13:05.000 And I knew that, I knew in my heart, one way or another, I wasn't going to serve my full term.

00:13:13.000 Whether it was through appeal, whether it was through election, because I knew, if Trump won, I knew it was game over.

00:13:24.000 We were going to go home.

00:13:25.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:13:26.000 Because, again, we have the best president since George Washington, and he's kicking ass right now.

00:13:35.000 I mean, he literally came and just wiped out the whole Biden administration agenda on day one, and that's something that the American people wanted him to do, so we're thankful for that.

00:13:43.000 But, I mean, it's pretty crazy to sit here and look at what's happened to you.

00:13:47.000 The trial itself, let's talk about the trial itself, because...

00:13:50.000 Like we just briefly mentioned, it's in Washington, D.C. You're not going to get a fair jury.

00:13:54.000 That's, again, against your constitutional rights.

00:13:56.000 You should have the right to have a fair jury.

00:13:58.000 But you're talking about a place that literally has a majority of federal employees.

00:14:02.000 They don't agree with us politically on most.

00:14:04.000 I think Joe Biden won it back in 2020 by over 90% of the vote.

00:14:08.000 I mean, it's insane.

00:14:08.000 Yeah, so you're not going to get a fair shake at things with these people.

00:14:12.000 It's not only not fair to us, to us five and all the other J6ers. 1.00

00:14:19.000 It wasn't fair to those jurors.

00:14:20.000 You know, because they were honest.

00:14:22.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:14:23.000 I appreciate honesty.

00:14:24.000 And the judge put them on the colloquine and said, hey, do you know who the Proud Boys are?

00:14:30.000 Do you know who Enrique Tarrio is?

00:14:32.000 Yes.

00:14:33.000 What's your thoughts on them?

00:14:34.000 I mean, they did the whole, they went down the whole list of liberal talking points.

00:14:38.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:14:39.000 Nazi, white supremacists. 0.99

00:14:41.000 I know I'm a little lighter now because I've been locked up in a cage for three years. 0.98

00:14:45.000 Don't tell that to Joy Reid.

00:14:46.000 She was talking about you last night.

00:14:49.000 I revel in that.

00:14:50.000 Yeah.

00:14:52.000 But they went down that whole list.

00:14:55.000 And the judge is like, okay, are those strong feelings?

00:14:58.000 And they said, yes, those are very strong feelings.

00:15:01.000 And he said, this is the most important part.

00:15:04.000 They said, can you get those feelings and put them aside and judge this case by the evidence alone?

00:15:12.000 Do you know what their answer were?

00:15:14.000 No.

00:15:15.000 Were they honest?

00:15:16.000 They were honest.

00:15:17.000 They said no.

00:15:18.000 That would help you in appeal.

00:15:21.000 We cannot go ahead and we cannot set those feelings aside because they are so strong.

00:15:27.000 And I appreciate it.

00:15:28.000 I'm like, okay, well, this guy's going to go.

00:15:30.000 Well, the judge brought them all back.

00:15:32.000 This wasn't one juror.

00:15:33.000 This is multiple jurors.

00:15:34.000 The judge brought them back the next day and was like, oh, are you sure?

00:15:39.000 I don't know if you've sat in one of those courtrooms.

00:15:41.000 The judge sits up here, right?

00:15:45.000 He's in a black robe.

00:15:47.000 You know, he's looking down at you.

00:15:49.000 There's this God complex with judges that I would love for it not to exist in the American political system.

00:15:56.000 They think they're gods.

00:15:58.000 And they're like, are you sure that if I present to you the prosecution presents the evidence and I tell you what's correct and what's not that you can't judge this?

00:16:09.000 Well, they're like, oh, oh, judge.

00:16:12.000 Yeah, I think I could.

00:16:16.000 Congratulations, you're on the Pride Boy trial.

00:16:19.000 My guys protest a lot of the Drag Queen Story Hour thing.

00:16:24.000 And during the trial, they were protesting the Drag Queen Story Hour, which is awesome.

00:16:31.000 Well, the foreman in our, and he failed to say this, the foreman in our jury pool puts these events together.

00:16:41.000 He puts together Drag Queen Story Hour. 0.78

00:16:43.000 So, and he was, a foreman's usually the most influential person in the jury.

00:16:48.000 Yeah.

00:16:49.000 Right?

00:16:49.000 So, I mean, it's not, and I go back to it, it's not fair to them, because they hate us.

00:16:56.000 And I'm okay with that.

00:16:58.000 I'm 100% okay with that.

00:17:00.000 I don't want to jail them because of those feelings.

00:17:03.000 Now, if we're hiding things from the judge, that's perjury.

00:17:07.000 Yeah.

00:17:08.000 They should go to prison.

00:17:09.000 Mm-hmm.

00:17:10.000 They should go to prison.

00:17:12.000 Because of that.

00:17:13.000 Not because of their views.

00:17:17.000 You know what?

00:17:21.000 I guess I'm a libertarian when it comes to that.

00:17:25.000 I think DC should have all the liberal policies.

00:17:27.000 I don't think Congress should take over the district for Mayor Bowser.

00:17:33.000 I think they should get everything they want.

00:17:36.000 Let murderers go free. 0.91

00:17:37.000 I mean, because that would be the best thing for the rest of the country.

00:17:43.000 So they could see exactly what a liberal utopia looks like.

00:17:48.000 And it's not going to be anything like a utopia, but we're seeing it already in multiple cities, but I want them to do what they want.

00:17:56.000 They're still held back a little bit, but I want them to do what they want.

00:17:59.000 So in that sense, I'm a little different.

00:18:02.000 Well, you know, I mean, in New York City, they received an abundance of illegal aliens.

00:18:08.000 And as a result, if you look at how the 2024 election turned out for New York City, in every borough, Trump was able to win over more voters than he's done previously.

00:18:16.000 And it's numbers that we've never seen amongst Republican candidates.

00:18:19.000 And so, yeah, like you said, I think a lot of people are waking up to it because you're forcing it on them to admit that, no, this isn't racist to support this.

00:18:25.000 This is actually factually true that people should legally come into our country. 0.75

00:18:28.000 And if you want them to follow the law, chances are if they're coming in by breaking the law, it's not going to go over too well.

00:18:33.000 But that's what this country is learning.

00:18:34.000 They're learning these lessons in the tough way.

00:18:36.000 I want to talk about the DOJ, though, with you, because obviously the DOJ was gunning for you.

00:18:40.000 It was a persecution, not a prosecution.

00:18:42.000 And I think everyone needs to drive home that point.

00:18:44.000 When I talk to J6ers, everyone would go over about how, like, last minute evidence dumps happen, where a couple of days before the big trial, they would get all these documents that are humanly impossible for you to go over. 1.00

00:18:56.000 And inside it would be like a gem that you would need to defend yourself.

00:19:00.000 And if you weren't properly staffed with attorneys and their office is properly staffed, you might not be able to present that evidence at your trial.

00:19:08.000 And that's one of the many ways that they were able to railroad you.

00:19:10.000 Even forcing trials into the Oath Keeper's trial, their attorneys were like, hold on a second, we're not ready yet.

00:19:16.000 Look at the footage.

00:19:16.000 We need footage.

00:19:17.000 We haven't gotten all of our evidence yet.

00:19:18.000 And the judge just continued to just push it through.

00:19:22.000 So during your trial, were there any things that really kind of stood out that, and I joke when I say that because I know there was a lot, but is there anything that really stood out that you thought that DOJ was railroading you guys?

00:19:30.000 Rihanna, we only got an hour.

00:19:32.000 Well, you could just take the whole day.

00:19:33.000 Yeah, we could take the whole day when we talk about my trial.

00:19:37.000 Again, it went on for six months.

00:19:38.000 Yeah.

00:19:39.000 And then there was multiple things.

00:19:40.000 I mean, the telegram chats were, I guess, their main.

00:19:44.000 Piece of evidence.

00:19:47.000 The files were corrupt.

00:19:49.000 The judge allowed him to go through anyways.

00:19:52.000 I don't know if anybody is, people viewing this have used Telegram, but if I go ahead and I message you and I'm like, do you like chocolate cake?

00:20:01.000 And you type yes.

00:20:03.000 A year later, I can go back to that conversation and edit what I wrote instead of, do you like chocolate cake?

00:20:10.000 I'm like, do you want to form an insurrection?

00:20:12.000 And you wrote yes.

00:20:14.000 Well, on the Telegram app, it'll show that it's edited, right?

00:20:18.000 But when Celebrite pulls, extracts that information, that data point that that text is edited is not available.

00:20:28.000 So there was a lot of...

00:20:29.000 I'm not saying it happened very often, but the possibility of that happening, because these are big chats.

00:20:36.000 We have a really big group.

00:20:37.000 I'm very proud of it.

00:20:41.000 These are chats with thousands of people in it.

00:20:43.000 I mean, it looks, if you go into a Proud Boy chat, a big group chat, it looks like a treadmill.

00:20:49.000 Okay, I don't know how people keep up with it.

00:20:52.000 I just got back on Telegram and I can't look at my phone.

00:20:56.000 That's just one, not to dwell on that too much, but that was the biggest piece of evidence.

00:21:00.000 Other things we saw with Special Agent Nicole Miller that took the stand.

00:21:05.000 She perjured herself many times.

00:21:07.000 She was listening in to attorney-client privilege phone calls of Zachary Real.

00:21:12.000 She tried to hide it from us, so when she sent us the, it was a spreadsheet of her text messages with other FBI agents.

00:21:22.000 Well, she was supposed to delete the things that weren't relevant.

00:21:25.000 But instead of hitting delete, she hit hide.

00:21:28.000 So one of our attorneys by the name of Nick Smith, which is an amazing attorney, second to my attorneys, he is a really good attorney.

00:21:40.000 But he's like, wait, there's something hidden here.

00:21:43.000 Let me unhide it. 0.98

00:21:45.000 All the messages that were hidden were still about the case.

00:21:48.000 So we're like, okay, perfect.

00:21:49.000 This is a mistrial.

00:21:51.000 We're three months into trial because it took them four months to present their case.

00:21:56.000 And Judge was like, no, no.

00:22:00.000 Another thing that happened in our case was there was multiple FBI informants that were in the witness list.

00:22:12.000 When you turn in the witness list, you turn in the witness list before trial starts so that everybody sees it.

00:22:18.000 So they waited till I called that witness.

00:22:20.000 A day before I called that witness, they're like, hey, we just want to tell you something.

00:22:23.000 That witness that you're calling tomorrow, that's an FBI informant, and you can't ask them about it.

00:22:31.000 And I'm like...

00:22:32.000 There was also the deal with the FBI informants.

00:22:38.000 They had, I think the number is 26 FBI informants embedded within the Proud Boys.

00:22:43.000 And, you know, that's a big problem.

00:22:45.000 But it's not a big problem when you're not a criminal organization.

00:22:47.000 So these FBI informants, you know how many of them they brought, the prosecutors brought, like to take the stand against us?

00:22:55.000 How many?

00:22:56.000 Zero.

00:22:56.000 Because the FBI informants themselves were like, wait, no, these guys didn't plan this.

00:23:03.000 These aren't violent guys.

00:23:06.000 Are they their bad apples?

00:23:07.000 I'm here.

00:23:08.000 I admit to you that there are bad apples in the Proud Boys.

00:23:12.000 I wholeheartedly agree.

00:23:14.000 You know, my guys are pretty rowdy.

00:23:17.000 I could get along with 70% of them, but when you have a group this large, you gotta be able to.

00:23:23.000 But we called it up.

00:23:24.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:23:26.000 But these FBI informants that have been embedded with the group for years had nothing bad to say about us.

00:23:31.000 So they didn't bring them up.

00:23:33.000 So we had to bring them up.

00:23:34.000 And when we brought them up, one of these FBI informants that was in the Proud Boys for years was a person that He played a major role.

00:23:46.000 And inside the Capitol, he actually got a pedestal and he stopped a garage door from closing, which gave the rest of the people access to other areas of the Capitol that weren't accessible before.

00:24:00.000 And when we ask him, we're like, well, are you allowed to do this?

00:24:04.000 Yes, they are allowed to commit crimes in order to further their information gathering.

00:24:12.000 But again, I can go on about all the things that happened to my trial.

00:24:16.000 You've got to remember that this is the biggest, in U.S. history, this is the biggest operation by the Department of Justice, the most amount of indictments for political cause, the biggest amount of evidence.

00:24:31.000 I mean, there was terabytes and terabytes.

00:24:34.000 When we received our, it's hard to go through.

00:24:37.000 We got 26 terabytes of just...

00:24:40.000 That doesn't even include videos. 0.99

00:24:41.000 I'm talking about pictures, files, all sorts of shit. 0.94

00:24:46.000 So it was a lot to go through. 0.98

00:24:48.000 And I think it's intentional.

00:24:49.000 I think that's part of the strategy is just to dump everything on you guys so you guys can't see what you need to see.

00:24:54.000 Last minute.

00:24:55.000 And I think that's the part that I don't think a lot of Americans understand.

00:24:58.000 When you hear the rebuttal from the corporate media hacks, they're all saying, oh, well, he had a trial.

00:25:03.000 They found him guilty.

00:25:04.000 So all is fair and game.

00:25:05.000 But you don't have a moment to go through all of that evidence.

00:25:08.000 And a lot of it's nothing that's relevant in the first place.

00:25:10.000 It's just dumping to waste time and also to eventually your lawyer is going to bill you for it and it's going to bankrupt you because you have to pay these legal fees on top of everything.

00:25:17.000 People don't like to talk about that.

00:25:18.000 So, that's a tactic of, like, civil litigation.

00:25:22.000 You know, we hadn't really seen it in criminal litigation by the DOJ until these cases came along, where they just do a file dump at such a magnitude.

00:25:30.000 I mean, I've been sued, and a whole bunch of J6s, I've been sued. 1.00

00:25:36.000 I mean, right now, with judgments honed, I think I'm in, like, the eight or nine figures.

00:25:43.000 You know?

00:25:44.000 No, eight figures.

00:25:45.000 Let me know.

00:25:48.000 But it is a tactic usually reserved for civil litigation that they use in criminal litigation.

00:25:54.000 And they do it to you mid-trial.

00:25:56.000 What can you do?

00:25:57.000 The judge is like, well, it's new evidence.

00:25:59.000 I have to let it sit.

00:26:01.000 So we can't postpone the trial.

00:26:03.000 We can't do anything.

00:26:04.000 Let's go.

00:26:04.000 Let's move forward.

00:26:06.000 It's a miscarriage of justice.

00:26:07.000 Maybe those judges need to be prosecuted too. 0.93

00:26:11.000 And let me not say prosecuted.

00:26:14.000 Most of these people need to be investigated.

00:26:17.000 You know, and I think people are going to say, oh, well, he's asking for retribution.

00:26:21.000 I'm not asking for retribution.

00:26:22.000 I'm asking for investigation.

00:26:25.000 Like they did to us.

00:26:26.000 If you didn't do anything wrong, you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

00:26:30.000 Yeah, that's what they always say.

00:26:31.000 But then they all ran so quick when President, sorry, Joe Biden was asking for, yeah, you gotta be careful with that.

00:26:37.000 Joe Biden was asking who wants a pardon.

00:26:39.000 I know.

00:26:40.000 I'm like, hold up before we go.

00:26:42.000 I worked for a news station and I tried my best to hold out and not call him President Joe Biden.

00:26:46.000 I tried my very best.

00:26:48.000 We lasted a couple of weeks.

00:26:49.000 But, you know, it's crazy.

00:26:51.000 So I want to talk a little bit.

00:26:52.000 I want to ask you, you mentioned that the FBI special agent, Nicole Miller, I think you said her name was, was listening in on calls that were between you and your attorney.

00:27:01.000 Not me exactly real.

00:27:02.000 Okay, got it.

00:27:04.000 Do you know how she was able to listen?

00:27:06.000 Was it FISA or was it just a regular warrant?

00:27:08.000 There was the use of FISA, but there were certain aspects of it that we weren't allowed to view.

00:27:17.000 And honestly, I don't know the ins and outs.

00:27:19.000 My attorney would know more on that aspect.

00:27:22.000 But yes, FISA was used against American citizens.

00:27:25.000 I think there was a congressman that just said, FISA courts aren't used against American citizens.

00:27:30.000 Yes. 1.00

00:27:31.000 That's bullshit. 1.00

00:27:33.000 That's perjury. 1.00

00:27:34.000 Should be investigated.

00:27:37.000 I'm trying to put everybody in jail.

00:27:39.000 No, I'm not.

00:27:40.000 I'm really not.

00:27:41.000 Investigation.

00:27:43.000 But yeah, we found that out.

00:27:45.000 I mean, you find that out the hard way.

00:27:47.000 The only reason that we knew that there was 26 informants, it wasn't because they told us.

00:27:51.000 It was because we forced the judge because they didn't want it.

00:27:54.000 They're like, no, we can't tell you who our informants are.

00:27:56.000 And the judge, in his one act of kindness, Went ahead and said, hey, you have to go.

00:28:05.000 And we couldn't even get the evidence.

00:28:07.000 I couldn't see it personally.

00:28:08.000 They had to go to an FBI field office and view it in a secure room with an FBI agent in front of them.

00:28:15.000 They could take notes.

00:28:17.000 They could take notes, but they couldn't take any documents with it.

00:28:21.000 And they couldn't tell me, their client, the names of these informants, right?

00:28:28.000 Because it would put them at risk. 1.00

00:28:33.000 And, I mean, it's bullshit. 0.99

00:28:35.000 Yeah, well, you're supposed to be able to face your accusers. 0.99

00:28:37.000 And so one would think you'd be able to have access to these informants.

00:28:41.000 In fairytale America, you're supposed to face your accusers.

00:28:45.000 What I learned is this has been happening for a long time.

00:28:50.000 Yeah.

00:28:51.000 What they did to J6ers... 1.00

00:28:53.000 You know, we're super surprised about it.

00:28:55.000 We shouldn't be surprised about it.

00:28:57.000 The American government, the reason why they're able to do what they did is because they've been doing this for years.

00:29:02.000 They know how to do this.

00:29:04.000 And they've done it to many, many political movements, political figures.

00:29:08.000 You got Martin Luther King, Malcolm X. You have so many that, you know, the siege at Waco.

00:29:18.000 These are people that were investigated for doing legal Actions that should be legal in fairytale America.

00:29:26.000 And because of being investigated, prosecuted, it turns into crimes because of how they react.

00:29:34.000 And I'll be honest, how else are people supposed to react?

00:29:38.000 I'm pretty calm, cool, collected.

00:29:41.000 But put somebody else in my shoes that doesn't have throttle control?

00:29:48.000 And it would have been a bad situation.

00:29:49.000 When you do this to somebody, when you put somebody in jail for this, you have to ask yourself, as the prosecuting party, if I do this, will this person rationalize by the punishment, or am I going to radicalize them by the punishment?

00:30:13.000 And I can't tell you That I rationalized.

00:30:19.000 I can't tell you I came out of prison a better person.

00:30:22.000 I couldn't come out a better person because I was already a good person.

00:30:26.000 All these J6ers are good people. 1.00

00:30:29.000 So... 0.72

00:30:30.000 What happened is f***ed up.

00:30:34.000 And the treatment... 0.86

00:30:36.000 Maybe I had it good compared to other J6ers. 1.00

00:30:39.000 I don't know. 0.98

00:30:40.000 I'm not here to measure d***s. 1.00

00:30:43.000 But... 0.97

00:30:43.000 We saw what the system was. 0.97

00:30:47.000 Yeah.

00:30:48.000 And it needs, it doesn't need an overhaul.

00:30:53.000 It needs to be destroyed and built from the ground up again.

00:30:58.000 Yeah.

00:30:58.000 And we're supposed to have faith in our justice system.

00:31:00.000 And at this point, after following all these trials, because I started off and honestly didn't know much about the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, none of you guys at the beginning part in all of this.

00:31:07.000 And I start following, I'm watching all you guys get railroaded at your trials.

00:31:11.000 And it's not the system that we all think it is.

00:31:13.000 And I think that's the point we need to drive home here.

00:31:14.000 A lot of Americans think that our justice system is blind, but it's not blind.

00:31:17.000 And the prosecutors know exactly how to manipulate it their way, and they did just that against all of you.

00:31:23.000 And I think it's gut-wrenching.

00:31:25.000 I want to talk about treatment, because I think that's a big point, too, with you.

00:31:30.000 I think you endured the worst.

00:31:31.000 I've talked to a lot of J6ers, and I don't think anyone's had to go through what you've gone through. 1.00

00:31:34.000 You've been transferred to about 30 to 40 different prisons all around the country.

00:31:39.000 The First Step Act, which is supposed to keep you within a certain radius from your home, didn't work out for you.

00:31:45.000 They violated that.

00:31:45.000 That was President Trump's first-term policy that he was able to push through.

00:31:49.000 That didn't work out for you.

00:31:51.000 There was also solitary confinement, which was used as a weapon against you at this point.

00:31:57.000 You were held in solitary, which is you by yourself, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, for 23 hours by yourself.

00:32:03.000 No, I'll correct that.

00:32:04.000 Yeah, go.

00:32:05.000 So I'll correct that first, and then we'll go over it, but it's not 23 hours a day.

00:32:09.000 It's 24 hours a day.

00:32:10.000 Solitary confinement is 24 hours a day.

00:32:12.000 Yeah.

00:32:13.000 Okay?

00:32:14.000 Every three days, you get let out for 15 minutes to take a shot.

00:32:21.000 That's supposed to be the rule.

00:32:24.000 There was this moment in Petersburg, Virginia where I went three weeks with no soap, no shower, no toothpaste, no toothbrush, no deodorant.

00:32:39.000 I mean, I looked and smelled like an ape.

00:32:45.000 And the transit, it's called diesel therapy.

00:32:49.000 And what they do is, They keep you in transit so you won't be in one place comfortably as punishment.

00:32:59.000 And it's probably like the worst punishment because you don't get to get comfortable.

00:33:04.000 And to some point, and the most insidious thing about this whole thing, and I hate it, I hate it, is how easy someone gets used to it.

00:33:13.000 So it wasn't torture to me anymore as much as just kick back and relax.

00:33:20.000 I remember my last experience, and it was actually, it's not supposed to be funny, but it was funny to me, is my last experience was, and it happened like two, three months ago.

00:33:33.000 I was back in the D.C. Gulag, and they had to transfer me over to Pollock, Louisiana, and they had to bring me to Kentucky.

00:33:48.000 14-hour drive from D.C. to Rayson County, Kentucky.

00:33:55.000 And it's the first time in a long time that I was able to be with J6ers. 1.00

00:34:00.000 So they filled the bus with J6ers. 1.00

00:34:02.000 I was super happy about that because it's cool to talk to J6ers. 1.00

00:34:05.000 I'm going to be honest with you.

00:34:07.000 They're a bunch of rock stars in the prison system.

00:34:12.000 They're hailed as heroes in the prison system.

00:34:17.000 You know, I'm in the bus and we're in box cuffs and if you don't know what box cuffs are, I suggest you guys Google it. 0.97

00:34:24.000 It looks like a f***ing torture device. 0.59

00:34:27.000 It's literally a pair of handcuffs that has a box over it so it keeps your hands locked in a certain position. 0.98

00:34:35.000 You can't turn your wrists.

00:34:37.000 You can't bring them together.

00:34:39.000 And on top of that, you have a leather belt on and they're placed like this.

00:34:44.000 So you can't If my nose itches, which is the worst.

00:34:50.000 Which is the worst.

00:34:51.000 Forget about eating and all that.

00:34:53.000 Like, an itchy nose is f***ing as hell.

00:34:59.000 So I'm used to this.

00:35:00.000 I've been doing this for three years.

00:35:02.000 So these J6ers had just come in. 1.00

00:35:04.000 They were fresh.

00:35:05.000 You know, they were fresh meat.

00:35:07.000 Because they had just got...

00:35:08.000 They had to turn themselves in or whatnot.

00:35:11.000 Or the judges remanded them to the marshal's custody.

00:35:14.000 So when they're in there, they're like...

00:35:16.000 They're bawling.

00:35:17.000 They're like, what the hell is this?

00:35:19.000 This is torture.

00:35:20.000 They're going crazy.

00:35:21.000 I'm sitting in the back with a bologna sandwich, tossing it back and forth, eating it, just hanging out.

00:35:29.000 I had to piss in a water bottle multiple times.

00:35:33.000 They force you.

00:35:34.000 They don't make stops.

00:35:36.000 They don't make stops because once they lock you in, they can't open that door because they have us labeled as domestic terrorists.

00:35:42.000 So they have us on super strict.

00:35:45.000 I couldn't go on the regular BOP bus.

00:35:46.000 I couldn't go with regular inmates.

00:35:48.000 I had to be transferred with two marshals or deputy.

00:35:52.000 It's not deputy marshals because they're all deputy marshals, but two people, two marshal-approved officers in transit.

00:35:59.000 And once they close the door, put those chains on you, they're not taking them off. 0.95

00:36:04.000 And again, this is f***ing cynical as s***, but I mean... 0.97

00:36:10.000 Imagine eating a bologna sandwich. 0.98

00:36:12.000 I've become a professional.

00:36:14.000 Imagine eating a bologna sandwich.

00:36:16.000 Imagine having to urinate. 0.99

00:36:19.000 Oh, I could say piss on you. 1.00

00:36:20.000 Yeah, you can. 0.99

00:36:21.000 Free speech.

00:36:23.000 It's a great thing.

00:36:26.000 Imagine having to take a piss in a water bottle.

00:36:30.000 Okay?

00:36:31.000 In a moving van in box cuffs.

00:36:34.000 You gotta pull your pants down.

00:36:36.000 You gotta...

00:36:37.000 I don't know if the mic's gonna catch it.

00:36:39.000 You gotta kind of lean like this and like pee into the bottle.

00:36:43.000 I pissed all over the...

00:36:44.000 Not on the bologna sandwich, though.

00:36:47.000 No, I'm kidding.

00:36:49.000 Bad joke. 0.82

00:36:50.000 But I did piss all over the band, which means you deserve it. 0.55

00:36:54.000 Yeah.

00:36:57.000 But...

00:36:57.000 I'll go back to the story.

00:36:59.000 We're in transit and they're wailing these 14 hours.

00:37:02.000 I'm kicked back.

00:37:03.000 I'm like, dude, just relax.

00:37:05.000 Don't worry about it.

00:37:06.000 This was after President Trump got elected.

00:37:08.000 Okay.

00:37:10.000 And I'm going to say President Trump because he's actually been president for like 10 years already.

00:37:14.000 Yeah.

00:37:15.000 Eight years.

00:37:16.000 Yeah, I never did president-elect.

00:37:18.000 So, three terms.

00:37:19.000 We got three terms.

00:37:24.000 And then we get to Grayson County, Kentucky for 14 hours.

00:37:28.000 And we get there.

00:37:31.000 We go into the holding cell.

00:37:32.000 They finally take these things off.

00:37:34.000 And everybody's like, I can breathe.

00:37:36.000 I can breathe.

00:37:37.000 And then suddenly the deputy comes in.

00:37:40.000 He goes, okay, you guys are staying.

00:37:42.000 Blah, blah, blah. 1.00

00:37:43.000 We're going to put you guys in the shoe because you're a bunch of f***ing domestic terrorists. 1.00

00:37:46.000 And he's like, but Utario, don't get comfortable. 1.00

00:37:50.000 We're leaving.

00:37:51.000 And I'm like, where are we going?

00:37:52.000 Pollock, Louisiana.

00:37:54.000 And everybody's like, what?

00:37:55.000 You're leaving again?

00:37:56.000 He didn't even eat anything.

00:37:59.000 Like, we didn't stop and eat there.

00:38:03.000 And I'm like, hey, how far?

00:38:05.000 I'm f***ing calm, cool, collected.

00:38:07.000 I'm like, how far is Pollock?

00:38:09.000 He's like, oh, it's another, like, 12, 13 hours.

00:38:11.000 I'm like, alright, cool.

00:38:12.000 I'm gonna get to my spot.

00:38:14.000 You know, my thing was, I just wanted to get there.

00:38:18.000 I'm gonna get to my spot and...

00:38:21.000 And I was finally going to hit commissary or whatever.

00:38:24.000 But these guys are like, yo, listen.

00:38:27.000 And they brought me back to reality.

00:38:29.000 They're like, dude, you just did 14 hours of box cups in the van.

00:38:33.000 And you're going to do another 12, 13 hours on here.

00:38:38.000 And I did the 12, 13 hours.

00:38:41.000 I was actually happy at that point.

00:38:43.000 Again, cynicism.

00:38:45.000 Because I was finally somewhere where I was...

00:38:47.000 I knew I was going to get released from there.

00:38:49.000 So I was happy about it.

00:38:52.000 But at the end, it was like 27 hours or 26 hours in box cuffs.

00:38:57.000 You're only supposed to put an inmate, the worst inmates in the world. 1.00

00:39:02.000 Pedophiles, rapists, all sorts of shit. 1.00

00:39:06.000 Even if they have those box cuffs, they're only supposed to wear them for four hours maximum. 1.00

00:39:12.000 That day, I wore box cuffs for 27 hours.

00:39:15.000 It feels like your bones are being bent.

00:39:20.000 At all times.

00:39:21.000 There's no reprieve.

00:39:22.000 There's no, hey, let's take a break.

00:39:25.000 I'm going to take these off of you.

00:39:27.000 There's none of that.

00:39:28.000 It doesn't exist.

00:39:30.000 And I did that for three years.

00:39:32.000 That wasn't my first rodeo.

00:39:36.000 Again, I was used to it.

00:39:38.000 And again, I was excited to get to my destination.

00:39:44.000 Well, it's torture.

00:39:45.000 I mean, there's no other way to describe it.

00:39:47.000 It's torture.

00:39:47.000 It's intentionally being done.

00:39:49.000 And those within the Bureau of Prisons need to be held accountable.

00:39:52.000 And it's really infuriating that they think they can get away with it.

00:39:56.000 Because someone's calling the shots.

00:39:57.000 They're not going to get away.

00:39:58.000 They're not going to get away with it.

00:39:59.000 We'll make sure of that.

00:40:01.000 But, I mean, the fact that there's someone calling the shots, probably someone who's not within the prison itself, but they're...

00:40:06.000 Just keep shuffling them around because there's purpose in all of this.

00:40:11.000 There's a goal here while they're doing it.

00:40:12.000 They're trying to break you and they're trying to potentially create an issue for you and maybe create a situation where you might break and want to work with prosecutors potentially.

00:40:25.000 That's one of the points.

00:40:26.000 Yes, and that's what I wanted to kind of get to with this because you and I have spoken.

00:40:30.000 I think I reached out to you.

00:40:32.000 It was right after your sentencing.

00:40:34.000 And I talk about it all the time on my show.

00:40:36.000 I didn't want to do any media before sentencing.

00:40:38.000 I played by all the rules.

00:40:41.000 My attorney's like, hey, don't talk to the media before trial.

00:40:44.000 I played by all the rules and stuff like that, and I didn't do any media after sentencing. 0.99

00:40:47.000 I was like, f*** that s***. 1.00

00:40:49.000 F*** this judge, f*** the prosecutor. 1.00

00:40:51.000 But I'm sorry, go ahead. 1.00

00:40:52.000 No, you have a right to feel that way.

00:40:54.000 So it's funny because I would wait until everyone was sentenced and I'd reach out to them.

00:40:57.000 And a lot of people just don't understand how it works.

00:41:00.000 You guys actually, when you're in the DC Gulag, had tablets with you, from my understanding.

00:41:04.000 And so you're able to receive messages.

00:41:06.000 And so once you were sentenced, I did reach out to you to talk about all of this.

00:41:09.000 And you and I have had several conversations throughout the entire process.

00:41:12.000 And you made me aware of something that I've never heard before.

00:41:15.000 And it exclusively came from you.

00:41:18.000 And I'll let you detail the story.

00:41:20.000 The Department of Injustice wanted you to work with them to go after President Trump.

00:41:25.000 You were going to be used as a tool to prosecute him in his J6 trial.

00:41:31.000 So I'm going to hand the floor to you so you could tell this story because it's remarkable that this even happened in the first place.

00:41:38.000 And that's what we'll go into the torture thing.

00:41:42.000 And a lot of people caved in.

00:41:45.000 A lot of people caved in.

00:41:46.000 They're like, look, I don't want to do this.

00:41:47.000 They caved in.

00:41:49.000 And, you know, I could have been home earlier.

00:41:52.000 And this is what they do.

00:41:54.000 They tell you a story, right?

00:41:57.000 And they did this with a lot of J6ers. 1.00

00:42:00.000 They tell you a story.

00:42:02.000 They're like, this is a story.

00:42:03.000 This is what it is.

00:42:05.000 Do you agree with this?

00:42:06.000 And you'll be like, well, just point C is true, but point A, B, D, E, F, Z is not true.

00:42:19.000 They're like, well, okay, deal's off the table.

00:42:21.000 If this isn't the truth, then we're not going to give you any deal.

00:42:29.000 They're not...

00:42:30.000 The Justice Department is supposed to be seekers of truth. 1.00

00:42:35.000 The blind lady, which is bullshit. 0.99

00:42:39.000 The little f***ing scale, that doesn't exist. 1.00

00:42:44.000 They're supposed to be seekers of truth. 0.96

00:42:46.000 So when you do that to somebody, What you're doing is, listen, just say what's on this f***ing paper and we'll send you home. 0.90

00:42:57.000 You'll get bail. 0.92

00:43:00.000 And we can put this behind us.

00:43:03.000 You do that to the most powerful person in the country and he wasn't technically president at that time.

00:43:11.000 You do that and you are committing an act of treason.

00:43:18.000 You are committing an act of treason.

00:43:21.000 You are currently working with a false government that is trying to jail their dissidents. 1.00

00:43:31.000 We saw with President Trump what they did with all these bullshit charges. 0.99

00:43:38.000 A lot of people deitify President Trump. 0.99

00:43:41.000 He puts an altar, puts a little candle.

00:43:44.000 I don't do that.

00:43:45.000 I don't do it And it makes it so much more amazing because the fact that he's human and he's been able to fight back and he's been able to win 100% of the time is beyond anything I've ever seen.

00:44:06.000 It's pretty inspiring, to be honest with you.

00:44:08.000 And I took that inspiration when they did that, where they put that paper in front of me and they're like, this is the truth.

00:44:17.000 I'll be like, no, actually, none of it's high grip.

00:44:21.000 You can go home if you do that.

00:44:24.000 I'll give you bail. 1.00

00:44:26.000 And I told him to go kick f***ing rocks. 0.99

00:44:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:44:32.000 I wasn't going to do it.

00:44:33.000 I wasn't going to do it.

00:44:37.000 But a lot of people did.

00:44:41.000 Not specifically with President Trump.

00:44:43.000 I'll give one example.

00:44:47.000 I hold no ill feelings towards it.

00:44:49.000 This is a time to be happy.

00:44:52.000 I am happy.

00:44:53.000 But on that commutation sheet, there was a personal friend of mine.

00:44:56.000 His name's Jeremy Bertino.

00:44:59.000 Testified in trial.

00:45:01.000 And there's a level to snitching, right?

00:45:04.000 One thing is that you go ahead and you say something and you become an informant or whatever.

00:45:11.000 And I myself did.

00:45:15.000 A couple things back in 2013 I'm sure we'll touch.

00:45:21.000 Then there's the ones that take the stand and point the finger at you.

00:45:26.000 But there's another level that's so nefarious and so evil.

00:45:31.000 And I saw evil that day.

00:45:35.000 He took the stand and not only did he point the finger, but he lied.

00:45:40.000 He sat there and he lied.

00:45:42.000 He knows that we did not plan this.

00:45:45.000 He knows that there was no intention of...

00:45:50.000 What happened that day wasn't intentional.

00:45:53.000 It was a protest gun.

00:45:56.000 And I'm not going to sit here and I'm not going to condone assaults on police officers.

00:46:00.000 I'm not going to sit there and I'm not going to do it.

00:46:03.000 Did these guys deserve to get prison time?

00:46:06.000 I tell you, absolutely not because the system's rigged.

00:46:09.000 But he sat there and he lied about the whole thing.

00:46:12.000 And to get his...

00:46:14.000 His time off.

00:46:15.000 He's not going to do any time.

00:46:17.000 And the president commuted his sentence before he was sentenced.

00:46:21.000 I don't know how the process works.

00:46:22.000 I don't know if he still has to go to sentencing and he gets that commuted.

00:46:27.000 But he should go through what we went through because we went through hell.

00:46:37.000 Benedict Arnold.

00:46:38.000 But it all works out at the end.

00:46:40.000 Because the payback is he could He can't really, like, he can't have pride in his name.

00:46:48.000 I have a lot of pride in my family name.

00:46:51.000 So does the Nordines.

00:46:53.000 So do the Bigs.

00:46:55.000 So do the Reels.

00:46:56.000 So do the Pozolas. 0.98

00:46:58.000 You know?

00:46:59.000 Any J6ers last name, they have pride in their name. 1.00

00:47:02.000 But the Bertinos and the Donahos and the Greens. 0.84

00:47:09.000 You can't use your last name.

00:47:11.000 And I don't wish him any ill will.

00:47:13.000 I hope he's extremely successful in life, but I doubt it.

00:47:18.000 Because he can't show his face anymore. 1.00

00:47:20.000 He's a liar. 1.00

00:47:23.000 And he's a traitor. 1.00

00:47:25.000 But, again, I don't hold any ill will towards him. 0.90

00:47:28.000 There's a lot of pressure for those who are dealing with the prosecution that you guys all endured.

00:47:33.000 And so, you know, it's a common theme that I've heard of people.

00:47:37.000 Taking deals that they normally wouldn't have taken.

00:47:39.000 Maybe stretching the truth just to comply with whatever the DOJ wanted to do to get them off their back.

00:47:46.000 I'm sorry.

00:47:47.000 I wasn't opposed to taking, not that deal, but like a plea deal. 0.98

00:47:53.000 I wasn't opposed to taking it if it was like, I f*** you, I sign it, whatever. 0.97

00:47:58.000 Let's get it done. 0.91

00:48:00.000 But they were being 11 years.

00:48:04.000 I wasn't going to take that.

00:48:06.000 I want to talk about this because I think this is an important part here.

00:48:09.000 The plea deal that they were offering you, from my understanding, was that they were going to try to get you to discuss President Trump's involvement in January 6th as if there was a connection between you and President Trump.

00:48:20.000 Was that what was on that piece of paper when they slid it your way?

00:48:23.000 Yes.

00:48:23.000 And they said, do you agree?

00:48:25.000 Okay, so that was when they proposed 11 years for you?

00:48:28.000 No, actually, I wouldn't have done any jail time.

00:48:31.000 Period.

00:48:32.000 Zero.

00:48:33.000 If that was the case.

00:48:35.000 I could have been in my warm bed.

00:48:37.000 I could have been eating good food, which is overrated.

00:48:41.000 I ate my first burger yesterday, and I didn't even finish half of it.

00:48:48.000 But, yeah, I have no connection to the president.

00:48:53.000 As much as I would love to have a connection, be like, hey, what's up, dog?

00:48:57.000 Hey, I'm going to go to the Oval later.

00:49:01.000 I have no connection to the president.

00:49:03.000 You know, I'm not...

00:49:04.000 I'm not...

00:49:07.000 I'm not that important.

00:49:08.000 But they wanted you to draw a line between you and the president on January 6th.

00:49:11.000 Is that correct?

00:49:12.000 And they were hoping that you were going to do so with somebody between the two of you because they knew that you didn't know President Trump directly from what you've told me.

00:49:20.000 So I want to dive into that a little bit.

00:49:22.000 And obviously I know that this is something that's going to be going on for quite some time for you.

00:49:27.000 So I know you can't dive into all details.

00:49:29.000 But I do want to talk about that because I think that's what the American people want to hear.

00:49:32.000 How desperate the DOJ was to go after President Trump.

00:49:35.000 Put him in prison. 0.65

00:49:37.000 And to destroy him.

00:49:38.000 So he couldn't run for president this time around.

00:49:39.000 At the end of the day, that was the goal, right?

00:49:41.000 Yeah.

00:49:42.000 The goal was to take...

00:49:43.000 And I completely...

00:49:44.000 Listen.

00:49:45.000 I completely understand this tactic.

00:49:48.000 I'm not...

00:49:49.000 I don't think America's ready to use it.

00:49:51.000 But the Democrats already have used it.

00:49:55.000 The goal of the game, right?

00:49:58.000 Because it's a game.

00:49:59.000 The goal of the game is to take the other opponent's pieces off the field.

00:50:05.000 Right?

00:50:06.000 They did that with J6. But the main piece, the King piece, was still alive.

00:50:14.000 And they wanted to take that piece out.

00:50:16.000 Whether it was by hook, by crook, or by a sniper rifle in the hands of a 21-year-old.

00:50:26.000 Or, I forgot what that old dude.

00:50:30.000 Whatever. 0.87

00:50:30.000 They tried to kill him. 0.87

00:50:32.000 They tried to indict him. 0.80

00:50:33.000 They need to take out the king to play this game.

00:50:37.000 That's not a game that the United States is built for.

00:50:40.000 We're a republic.

00:50:42.000 We make our changes on the ballot box.

00:50:44.000 We saw that in November.

00:50:46.000 Now it's our turn for the next four years.

00:50:48.000 I don't want to play that game, but that's the game that they're playing.

00:50:53.000 I'm okay with it.

00:50:55.000 Everybody's okay with it, but America's not okay with it.

00:50:59.000 For the most part...

00:51:01.000 That was the goal.

00:51:02.000 The goal was to get the president by any means necessary.

00:51:07.000 And they used me, they used people like Roger Stone, they used people close to the president to try and get them to flip.

00:51:15.000 But if there's something that Mr. Stone taught me, and we've been friends for years, and I look up to the guy, is this stone don't run.

00:51:27.000 Right?

00:51:29.000 And that's very important.

00:51:30.000 Loyalty is very, very, very important.

00:51:36.000 You know, it's not like cult-like loyalty.

00:51:39.000 I'm not talking about that.

00:51:40.000 That's what they always spin it.

00:51:41.000 It's not cult-like.

00:51:42.000 These are my friends, right?

00:51:44.000 And if there's anything I can do with my four guys or any other of my guys that wear that laurel, this laurel, If there's anything, to me, protection by any means necessary for them is number one.

00:52:00.000 If I have to kill my reputation for it, if I gotta take...

00:52:04.000 There's so many people that say, I'll take a bullet for you. 1.00

00:52:07.000 If a person tells you that, it's bullshit. 1.00

00:52:11.000 And I do that because I know that they would be willing to do the same thing. 0.99

00:52:18.000 I know Joe Biggs would do that for me.

00:52:20.000 Without question.

00:52:21.000 I know Ethan Nordean would do that for me with no question.

00:52:24.000 I know Dominic Gazzola would do that for me with no question.

00:52:26.000 I know Zachary Real would do that for me with no question.

00:52:29.000 And I'm talking about my brotherhood, but I'm just talking about our tribe.

00:52:40.000 Our tribe is you, Crowder, the American people, those people that voted for Trump, the people that didn't vote for Trump, sometimes.

00:52:50.000 We're part of the tribe.

00:52:51.000 But this is my tribe.

00:52:52.000 To me, it isn't about country anymore.

00:52:54.000 I don't have that patriotism that a lot of people have.

00:52:57.000 I don't.

00:52:58.000 I'm tribal. 0.57

00:52:59.000 And it sucks that I'm this way, but it's the only way to be.

00:53:02.000 My people come first.

00:53:06.000 And, you know, the president's included in that.

00:53:09.000 And I wasn't going to betray my tribe.

00:53:14.000 Because he didn't betray me.

00:53:16.000 And he didn't do the actions that they were trying to say that he did.

00:53:20.000 Which I think is, can you detail a little bit what's on that piece of paper?

00:53:26.000 For legal reasons, I can't, I will be able to talk about it at one point, but, you know, just, I'll tell you what this, it was, if George R. R. Martin would ever finish his fifth book, this is a story he would write.

00:53:44.000 So I'll tell you, that's what I'll tell you about it.

00:53:47.000 There is no way in hell I was going to do that.

00:53:56.000 Thank you.

00:53:57.000 And this is something that took place, right?

00:54:00.000 So the DOJ pulls you in and they show you this piece of paper.

00:54:04.000 Is this something that happens with your lawyers present, without your lawyers present?

00:54:09.000 Do you have legal representation?

00:54:12.000 I can't get into the details.

00:54:15.000 I'd be putting myself in legal jeopardy if I tell you exactly what was going on in that room.

00:54:21.000 Yeah, we've got to get the president to get you immunity for this.

00:54:24.000 I think it's interesting to talk about these things because to see the lens that they went to is crazy.

00:54:31.000 And from my understanding, there was supposed to be a person in between the two of you as they drafted it to be the individual who was communicating back and forth between President Trump and yourself.

00:54:41.000 I'm sure you can't disclose it, but I'm going to ask you anyway.

00:54:44.000 Is this somebody who is a close ally of yours?

00:54:46.000 Is this somebody who was even made aware they were looking to do this?

00:54:49.000 It was a very distant person to me.

00:54:55.000 I've said this before.

00:54:57.000 It was like a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend.

00:55:00.000 And even that friend that's connected to me is somebody that I didn't have much interactions with.

00:55:10.000 Interesting.

00:55:11.000 Yeah, it's interesting to see how that even takes place.

00:55:13.000 I do hope President Trump can give you immunity for that so we can talk about it.

00:55:19.000 I think the American people need to know how far our DOJ went under Joe Biden to go after their political opponents and President Trump, obviously, as well.

00:55:29.000 But I think that's really, really important.

00:55:31.000 Enrique, you know...

00:55:33.000 A lot of the times when I post about your stories, there's always a bunch of people like fed, fed, fed.

00:55:40.000 And so I've got to ask you these questions, and that's really important for me.

00:55:44.000 And it's a fair question.

00:55:45.000 Yeah, and I've gone through, because I've read some of your court transcripts, and I did notice that you have worked with law enforcement in the past.

00:55:51.000 Yeah.

00:55:52.000 So just going to throw this out there and be as direct as possible.

00:55:55.000 Have you ever in your entire life been a federal informant or an asset for the United States government?

00:55:59.000 Yes.

00:56:00.000 In 2013, Law enforcement's not supposed to be bad.

00:56:06.000 It's not supposed to be.

00:56:07.000 In retrospect, after what we've seen here, the situation in 2013 was a criminal organization that ran different types of black market situations, but their main method of business was sex trafficking. 0.84

00:56:33.000 So, like, I'm not here to try to hail myself as some type of hero that took down some criminal organization or some shit. 0.65

00:56:42.000 But I did do that.

00:56:43.000 I did do that in 2013. I was a security contractor for the DOD for 12 years.

00:56:52.000 You know, there is a mixture within the stories, not the transcripts.

00:56:56.000 You know, transcripts are transcripts.

00:56:58.000 They're accurate.

00:56:59.000 But some of the stories that came out, they kind of mix my work with the federal government to that portion that happened in 2013. And I ran operations in some of those cases.

00:57:15.000 So, yeah, I was.

00:57:19.000 Being pro-law enforcement, and I guess there's a theme here.

00:57:24.000 I am pro-law enforcement. 0.97

00:57:25.000 I think that some of those Some of those police officers that were there that day, some of them, not the ones that were clout chasers like f***ing Pussy, Michael Fanone, or what's the other, what's the big thing? 0.97

00:57:39.000 Harry Donnie, the one who committed perjury during the upkeepers trial too, but he's out there crying. 0.99

00:57:42.000 I mean, he had the best platform to run for Congress and he's a loser. 0.93

00:57:48.000 How do you lose that? 0.94

00:57:50.000 You have the liberal clout.

00:57:52.000 You have the liberal clout. 1.00

00:57:54.000 You're running in like an ultra-liberal and you're a loser. 1.00

00:57:57.000 Henry Dunn and Michael Fanone are losers. 1.00

00:57:59.000 But wait, stop. 0.99

00:58:00.000 I need to stop myself because I said I was pro-law enforcement.

00:58:04.000 I'm not pro-Dunn.

00:58:05.000 They're not law enforcement.

00:58:07.000 They're a bunch of clout chasers. 1.00

00:58:09.000 Some of those cops that went there, let's be honest, they were doing their job.

00:58:13.000 Their job was to protect the building.

00:58:16.000 I get that they swore an oath.

00:58:18.000 I can give that...

00:58:20.000 Benefit of the doubt to some of those people that have that argument that they swore an oath to protect the Constitution, and some of those people were there.

00:58:28.000 Actually, all those people were there projecting their freedom of speech and defending free speech by being there.

00:58:36.000 But, like, those cops' job, they're cops, right?

00:58:40.000 There's a building.

00:58:42.000 This is your job.

00:58:43.000 Protect the building.

00:58:43.000 They were protecting the building, right?

00:58:46.000 Some of the, I mean, Lieutenant Byrd's a f***ing murderer. 0.98

00:58:53.000 He should be in prisons for what he did to Ashley Babbitt. 0.99

00:58:57.000 He shouldn't just be in prison.

00:58:59.000 He should be put in box cuffs and put on diesel therapy and taken around the country like I was.

00:59:05.000 Right? 0.98

00:59:07.000 But some of those cops were generally just doing their f***ing job. 0.69

00:59:10.000 So I'm not mad at those cops. 0.83

00:59:13.000 Right?

00:59:14.000 Did they do a poor job of it?

00:59:17.000 Yeah.

00:59:18.000 Did the cops...

00:59:20.000 We can't be binary. 1.00

00:59:23.000 The cops that were up there shooting down at protesters, f*** you, you should be in prison. 1.00

00:59:28.000 You were randomly shooting. 1.00

00:59:30.000 You weren't shooting the front line of prisoners.

00:59:33.000 Well, technically they were prisoners.

00:59:35.000 Yeah, they were going to be. 0.95

00:59:36.000 They weren't shooting the front line because what you're trying to do is you're trying to push back that front line so you shoot it.

00:59:41.000 No, they're shooting the back. 0.85

00:59:43.000 They shot a hole through somebody's face.

00:59:46.000 Yeah.

00:59:46.000 The dude literally had a napkin in there.

00:59:49.000 He could floss the little hole in his cheek.

00:59:53.000 Some of those cops should be prosecuted, but I'm going to tell you, I'm not anti-law enforcement.

01:00:00.000 I'm not. 1.00

01:00:01.000 If somebody wants to judge me for that, by all means, f*** you, do it. 0.99

01:00:06.000 For what I did in 2013, you want to judge me? 1.00

01:00:09.000 F*** you, do it. 1.00

01:00:10.000 That's fine. 1.00

01:00:11.000 It doesn't affect me.

01:00:13.000 I feel like I did the right thing.

01:00:15.000 I'm unapologetic.

01:00:17.000 I'm seditiously unapologetic and a pardoned seditionist, supposedly.

01:00:22.000 I mean, it sounds cool.

01:00:23.000 It really does.

01:00:25.000 It's not true, but it's cool.

01:00:27.000 Yeah.

01:00:27.000 Cool title to have.

01:00:28.000 Yeah, no, I understand that.

01:00:30.000 I understand that.

01:00:30.000 And the thing that came up in court, I believe, that while this is why people are confusing that, I think, with being an informant, that you worked with...

01:00:39.000 Local law enforcement often when you and your guys would go out to protest and obviously that's Antifa who's going to be there.

01:00:45.000 So talk about that a little bit.

01:00:46.000 That's different.

01:00:47.000 I'll tell you why because like I have a responsibility to keep my guys safe. 0.91

01:00:53.000 The mission when we would go I talk about it like it's like some fucking militia but there is a mission.

01:01:02.000 The number one objective when we go somewhere is and these are these I guess these are the priorities. 0.95

01:01:09.000 Number one is safety.

01:01:10.000 Number one.

01:01:11.000 My goal is to, by any means necessary, and I keep using that term, is to keep my guys safe.

01:01:17.000 I want all my guys safe without injury and without being locked up.

01:01:22.000 Right?

01:01:24.000 Up until December 12th, I was very successful at that goal.

01:01:27.000 Every event that I either put together or attended with my guys, there was no arrests.

01:01:33.000 there was no injuries um and uh since it's my responsibility to do that when we go into a city city like cesspools like portland we pick we pick the worst cities to be But it's the cities that have the problem, right?

01:01:54.000 Portland, Seattle, we saw what they did with Chaz, Austin, surprising in Texas.

01:02:03.000 Yeah.

01:02:03.000 New York City, Washington, D.C. When we come into these, I have a responsibility to keep them safe.

01:02:07.000 So I do contact local law enforcement.

01:02:09.000 You want to judge me for it? 1.00

01:02:10.000 F*** you. 1.00

01:02:13.000 I contact them. 1.00

01:02:14.000 I tell them we're going to come into town. 0.97

01:02:16.000 I tell them, hey, you don't need a f***ing permit. 0.92

01:02:19.000 You don't need a permit to put an event together. 0.94

01:02:21.000 I don't take permits out.

01:02:22.000 I march on the streets, on the sidewalk, wherever I could that I don't bother law enforcement.

01:02:30.000 And I call law enforcement to make sure that My guys and any counter-protesters are kept at a safe distance.

01:02:39.000 It is my job to make sure my guys come home safe, and that is what it takes to do it.

01:02:47.000 You're not supposed to be afraid of that.

01:02:50.000 Obviously, we are now because we know how they operate, and I'd still be kind of skeptical about one agency.

01:03:00.000 Kash Patel has probably the hardest job besides the president's because it's probably the most corrupt agency.

01:03:09.000 I mean, it's been corrupt ever since Hoover started it.

01:03:12.000 But you're supposed to trust law enforcement.

01:03:19.000 You're supposed to trust them, but we can't.

01:03:22.000 We've come to a point in America where we don't trust those institutions.

01:03:26.000 I was always in a different mind state about law enforcement.

01:03:28.000 I've changed a little bit my views on law enforcement, but I'm not going to apologize.

01:03:37.000 Well, do you regret, because it was used against you during your J6 trial, do you regret orchestrating with local PD? Because the accusations you were facing during your J6 trial was that you orchestrated January 6th, even though you weren't present.

01:03:50.000 That was the argument they were trying to make.

01:03:52.000 And so they were trying to kind of, from what I could see just from reading it, say that the experience is...

01:03:57.000 Previously that you had by orchestrating with local law enforcement kind of made it seem like this was what you were doing.

01:04:03.000 You were orchestrating with police.

01:04:05.000 I mean, do you regret?

01:04:06.000 Because it was used against you. 0.99

01:04:07.000 I don't regret and I apologize for shit. 0.99

01:04:10.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:04:10.000 Apologize is dick. 0.99

01:04:15.000 I don't know how you commit an act of sedition when you're literally calling the cops and being like, hey, I'm coming to town. 0.98

01:04:23.000 I would share my live location.

01:04:25.000 You know, with the liaison, whatever liaison, I come into town to share.

01:04:28.000 I have nothing to hide.

01:04:29.000 I have nothing nefarious, so how the f*** am I going to come into D.C. and be like, hey, Officer Shane LeMond, right?

01:04:39.000 Because that was the officer that the DOJ railroaded. 0.86

01:04:42.000 Good cops get railroaded. 0.97

01:04:44.000 He needs to be pardoned.

01:04:46.000 And I'm working on that.

01:04:51.000 Hey, I'm coming into town.

01:04:52.000 Here's my live location.

01:04:54.000 The Proud Boys are gonna be here.

01:04:55.000 We're gonna march here.

01:04:56.000 They knew my plans completely for January 6th.

01:05:00.000 Why would I... If I'm gonna storm the Capitol, if I'm going to commit an act of sedition, why the f*** would I tell the cops? 0.82

01:05:11.000 The same cops that supposedly we'd want to beat up to get in there.

01:05:16.000 There was no goal there.

01:05:19.000 Right?

01:05:20.000 If you're...

01:05:21.000 There's no objective.

01:05:22.000 If I wanted to do it, it would have been done correctly.

01:05:30.000 I didn't want to do it.

01:05:31.000 I didn't plan on doing it, but if I wanted to do it, it would have been successful.

01:05:38.000 I mean, we're talking about conservatives who, and this is why the left likes to lie, and they're very misleading, but they like to make claims that...

01:05:47.000 I'm so angry about this mug thing.

01:05:49.000 Can somebody get me a Sharpie?

01:05:51.000 Yeah.

01:05:52.000 Mug club.

01:05:53.000 Mug club.

01:05:54.000 You really do need one.

01:05:56.000 You don't really need to come up.

01:05:58.000 They're vintage items. 0.97

01:05:59.000 I just wanted to shit on Crowder for a second. 0.98

01:06:01.000 Oh, man. 0.99

01:06:02.000 Don't worry.

01:06:03.000 We're going to get all that.

01:06:04.000 That's going to be expedited overnight.

01:06:05.000 Well, I'm going to go see him at some point.

01:06:07.000 Yes, you have to.

01:06:08.000 You have to.

01:06:08.000 I think it's so crazy that they make the argument, though, that you guys were orchestrating all of this and that they did it.

01:06:14.000 I mean, they try to make it seem like it was an insurrection, obviously, that's their big narrative.

01:06:18.000 But we're talking about 2A, conservative Americans, who if they really wanted to do what they were accused of doing, they would have came armed.

01:06:25.000 And then you see those on the left, Democrats, come out and they say, oh, well, they were armed.

01:06:29.000 Well, not a single one of them were actually charged with that.

01:06:32.000 I know also they like to talk about Officer Sicknick, who died of natural causes.

01:06:36.000 We know that because that's what it says.

01:06:38.000 Yes, and it's heartbreaking, yes.

01:06:40.000 It is.

01:06:41.000 It's heartbreaking for the family.

01:06:43.000 I understand the plight of his family, but I feel like it's an emotional thing.

01:06:49.000 You've got to blame somebody.

01:06:51.000 I get that.

01:06:52.000 You know what? 0.99

01:06:52.000 I'm not going to shit on their family. 0.99

01:06:55.000 Let them do whatever they want. 0.99

01:06:57.000 But he did die on natural causes.

01:07:00.000 It's an autopsy.

01:07:01.000 We're here for facts.

01:07:03.000 And nobody was charged with manslaughter.

01:07:04.000 And I'm sure if the DOJ could put a little linkage between anyone on manslaughter, they would have done so.

01:07:09.000 I'm actually surprised that they didn't do it.

01:07:11.000 Because they could have done it.

01:07:12.000 They had the jury to do it.

01:07:13.000 I mean, listen, in our trial, if they would have charged us with like jaywalking, treason, money laundering, like they could have put any charge on there that was like so obvious that we're innocent of, that jury in DC would have found us guilty.

01:07:32.000 That judge would have granted them full...

01:07:38.000 Four rights to do whatever the hell they want.

01:07:40.000 Those prosecutors would have came down. 0.98

01:07:41.000 So I'm actually really surprised actually that nobody got a manslaughter charge for that.

01:07:47.000 And I think it has to do with the autopsy and the hurdle.

01:07:50.000 I mean, let me not say hurdle or grand jury indictment because the grand jury indicted me for a document that I never even opened or read.

01:08:00.000 Yeah.

01:08:01.000 Yeah.

01:08:01.000 And it was a document.

01:08:03.000 Let's talk about that for a second.

01:08:04.000 Because how did that document make its way?

01:08:07.000 From my understanding, this document was forwarded to someone who was close, and then it was pushed over to you.

01:08:12.000 But who was the originator in that document?

01:08:14.000 So, like, unfortunately at that time, I had no idea, because for one, I never opened the document.

01:08:19.000 All right, let's start with, let's just start with, I'm flat out telling you I didn't open it.

01:08:23.000 And the prosecutors, actually, and the forensics people that took the stand, they're like, no, we don't have any evidence he opened it.

01:08:31.000 And this document, what specifically was it about?

01:08:33.000 It was, check out this name.

01:08:34.000 It's called the 1776 Returns.

01:08:38.000 Okay.

01:08:39.000 But the actual document, that's nefarious.

01:08:41.000 It's not nefarious.

01:08:42.000 It's a regular 1776. It shouldn't be nefarious.

01:08:46.000 Yeah.

01:08:46.000 Whatever.

01:08:48.000 Turn into a liberal there for a second.

01:08:51.000 Calm down.

01:08:52.000 I need a show.

01:08:54.000 For some water.

01:08:55.000 I haven't drank that one.

01:08:55.000 You can take it.

01:08:56.000 It's not in a Crowder cup.

01:08:58.000 Ah, bad.

01:08:59.000 So.

01:09:00.000 But the document itself is not nefarious.

01:09:03.000 It's like a sit-in thing.

01:09:04.000 We see this all the time.

01:09:05.000 You go into a building, you sit in, you lock arms.

01:09:08.000 Which is kind of... 0.99

01:09:09.000 It's cringe as shit. 0.97

01:09:10.000 I wouldn't do that. 0.99

01:09:12.000 Well, here is the perfect excuse. 0.99

01:09:15.000 I would never use that document because it's cringe as fuck and I would never do a fucking sit-in. 0.99

01:09:20.000 I would never do that. 0.99

01:09:22.000 But that's what the document states.

01:09:25.000 There's nothing nefarious about it.

01:09:27.000 But...

01:09:28.000 The document does have...

01:09:30.000 There's a weird story there.

01:09:35.000 I find this out later.

01:09:38.000 The document was...

01:09:40.000 It wasn't authored by him.

01:09:43.000 It was edited by him.

01:09:46.000 Because the original document, I think, is a little different.

01:09:49.000 But by the name of...

01:09:50.000 I might be getting...

01:09:51.000 I think you got the name right.

01:09:52.000 It was Samuel Armis.

01:09:55.000 I don't think I got that one.

01:09:56.000 Oh, you didn't?

01:09:56.000 No.

01:09:57.000 Okay, well...

01:09:58.000 I know, breaking.

01:10:00.000 I know, like, I don't...

01:10:01.000 You're never gonna get over it.

01:10:05.000 I'm not gonna get over it.

01:10:07.000 So, this guy, it was a war game document, right?

01:10:13.000 The original, the very, very original document, and I can't, not that I can't get into it now, but I need to get some more information on the actual origins of the document, but the...

01:10:25.000 The document, as we state, is a CIA war game, right?

01:10:32.000 This isn't a conspiracy theory.

01:10:33.000 I'm not a conspiracy theorist. 0.98

01:10:35.000 I f***ing hate the QAnon s***. 0.83

01:10:37.000 But this is a CIA war game document to show, well, if this happens, how do we stop it? 0.98

01:10:45.000 You know?

01:10:47.000 And it was put together by somebody that...

01:10:50.000 Put together a CIA. Now, he sent it over to another friend of mine, which forwarded it to me, and if I could show you my phone, I'd show you that I get a million messages in the network.

01:11:02.000 I don't have time to view messages.

01:11:04.000 I don't.

01:11:06.000 Especially now.

01:11:07.000 Yeah.

01:11:08.000 Imagine.

01:11:09.000 But I never opened the document because I never f***ing saw it.

01:11:14.000 That's what they used to use the grand jury and how the f*** they got me because they took a year and a half for the grand jury to indict me.

01:11:21.000 And how they got me is they finally unlocked my phone and they found this document that they knew I never read, opened, edited.

01:11:30.000 I never knew this thing existed.

01:11:32.000 They put this in front of the grand jury.

01:11:34.000 They're like, he had this on the phone.

01:11:36.000 They never said anything else.

01:11:37.000 They had this on the phone. 0.99

01:11:40.000 And the grand jury's like, oh, well, f***. 0.99

01:11:43.000 It's 1776 returns. 0.99

01:11:46.000 That's what people were screaming.

01:11:48.000 You know, they think they're revolutionaries.

01:11:50.000 I think we are revolutionaries, by the way, in the legal sense.

01:11:53.000 I think that we...

01:11:55.000 2016 was a revolution, but I think 2024 is top soon.

01:12:01.000 And for the record, by the way, the individual, we're not going to say the name, but the individual who sent this to you in your phone, I won't even talk about, but they...

01:12:11.000 They denied any of this, really.

01:12:13.000 And they were very just...

01:12:15.000 Did not speak at your grand jury poorly about you.

01:12:17.000 Didn't even actually answer any questions.

01:12:19.000 Took the fifth, from my understanding.

01:12:20.000 I'm going to tell you that that person is solid.

01:12:24.000 That person...

01:12:26.000 I heard the recording.

01:12:29.000 That person stood their ground.

01:12:31.000 When they went ahead and went after them with guns blazing, I heard the recording.

01:12:40.000 They dug themselves in the sand, so yeah, she could have done what Jeremy did.

01:12:46.000 Yeah, and didn't do that.

01:12:47.000 At this point, I wanted to drive home that this was somebody who knew that you were being railroaded and wanted to not partake in that behavior because they knew that something was very wrong about this. 0.94

01:12:54.000 They're trying to nab everybody and trying to throw shit at the wall, and they had this giant shit truck with a fire hose, and they're just hitting the wall. 0.99

01:13:06.000 And all of it's stuck. 0.99

01:13:07.000 It's 100% conviction rate.

01:13:09.000 Yeah.

01:13:10.000 You know, maybe they're like, well, it's 100% conviction, right?

01:13:13.000 Because, you know, you guys actually did something wrong. 1.00

01:13:16.000 No, fuck you. 1.00

01:13:17.000 It's because of D.C. It's D.C. Well, actually, I remember at the very beginning of the trials, there was one J6 defendant who actually was found not guilty by the judge. 1.00

01:13:26.000 They waived their right to have a jury.

01:13:28.000 And I was like, well, maybe that's a winning strategy in D.C. Yeah, it is.

01:13:32.000 Actually, you do better with not much better.

01:13:36.000 Yeah.

01:13:36.000 Let's be honest.

01:13:37.000 Yeah.

01:13:38.000 No, it's not bad.

01:13:39.000 But you do a lot better with some of these judges.

01:13:41.000 And he was an Obama-appointed judge.

01:13:44.000 Yeah.

01:13:45.000 He's a judge.

01:13:46.000 He's a judge in a case.

01:13:48.000 I don't know what to do with this.

01:13:51.000 If you need more water, you're going to have mine.

01:13:52.000 I have not drank enough.

01:13:54.000 No, I don't want that cup.

01:13:57.000 Mug.

01:13:59.000 He's a judge now in these civil lawsuit cases with us. 1.00

01:14:04.000 He's a piece of shit. 1.00

01:14:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:14:06.000 I get that he's my judge. 1.00

01:14:08.000 Sorry if you're watching this, but you are a piece of shit. 1.00

01:14:13.000 This is why people love you, though. 1.00

01:14:14.000 This is why Americans flock to you.

01:14:16.000 It's funny, I was watching as you were making your way back to Miami.

01:14:20.000 We should mention this, too.

01:14:21.000 So, for all of you at home, obviously, you were pardoned and you made your way back to Miami this week.

01:14:26.000 And I was a victim of the insurrection.

01:14:28.000 You were a victim of an insurrection because the media actually got very violent.

01:14:31.000 And we should talk about it for a second.

01:14:33.000 I mean, the huddle of the media and as they were going and trying to take photos, ask you questions.

01:14:38.000 Talk about that.

01:14:39.000 That was interesting.

01:14:40.000 It's a funny story because I kind of didn't want to do a lot of media when I came home, so I kind of just wanted to be doing this.

01:14:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:14:48.000 I heard that.

01:14:50.000 Clout chasing 101. I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

01:14:53.000 But what I wanted to do is I wanted to get to the airport.

01:14:55.000 Any questions, just kill it off. 1.00

01:14:57.000 One shot. 1.00

01:14:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:14:59.000 And stop the bullshit. 1.00

01:15:01.000 So my mom. 1.00

01:15:03.000 Great woman.

01:15:04.000 Great woman.

01:15:05.000 Warrior.

01:15:07.000 Was overly effective.

01:15:09.000 I told her, hey, let's get some media out at the airport so I won't have to f***ing deal with them all the time because I kind of want to just get home and grill.

01:15:20.000 So she brought in and was like, dude, it was like about a hundred cameramen and news crews and all of that.

01:15:26.000 And what they did is they went in a stack formation, right?

01:15:32.000 And they say this.

01:15:35.000 We, Stuart Rhodes, went in a stack formation into the Capitol.

01:15:38.000 Oh, yeah.

01:15:39.000 So they made a hallway, and then I hugged my mom, I hugged my fiancé, my dad, everybody was there.

01:15:48.000 And as soon as I start walking, I'm about to walk through this hall, but I stopped.

01:15:53.000 Because I'm like, okay, let me start answering some questions.

01:15:56.000 So this group of insurrectionists comes in and closes boxes me in, and I couldn't say anything.

01:16:04.000 And it started getting really violent, and they started punching each other.

01:16:08.000 I mean, it looked like January 6th, you know?

01:16:14.000 Kicking, screaming.

01:16:15.000 I had to leave law enforcement for law enforcement.

01:16:19.000 They did an excellent job. 0.68

01:16:21.000 Of kind of diffusing the situation, getting me out of there in time, and throwing me in the truck and getting the f*** out of there.

01:16:30.000 But it was a cool... 0.90

01:16:32.000 I mean, you could have thought it was like some f***ing soccer star, you know?

01:16:41.000 But that is not thanks to me. 0.75

01:16:44.000 That is completely thanks to the warrior that I have as a mother.

01:16:49.000 She's... 1.00

01:16:50.000 She's been f***ing amazing.

01:16:52.000 Yeah, she's been great. 0.65

01:16:53.000 She's kept me in the loop on all of this.

01:16:54.000 And she's definitely someone who, I mean, I was joking with you, but I'm like, I don't know if my parents would ever do this for me.

01:17:00.000 But she's been someone who's been by your side in all of this and taking on the media because there's a lot to take on because they have been bashing your character and who you are as an individual and the organization, the Proud Boys and going after all of you.

01:17:12.000 So I think it's laughable that they were actually very violent themselves. 0.95

01:17:15.000 Well, when you get on Crowder and you call the judge a piece of s***, Yeah, you could expect a little bit of heat back, but it's true. 0.96

01:17:23.000 I'm sorry. 0.98

01:17:24.000 It's true.

01:17:25.000 It's true throughout this whole thing.

01:17:29.000 I'm just a regular street kid from Miami.

01:17:35.000 I don't think I say anything different than anybody else does.

01:17:39.000 I think maybe some people disagree with some of the views that I have.

01:17:44.000 I disagree with their views, but I don't say anything different.

01:17:46.000 There's nothing special about What I'm saying.

01:17:51.000 I want Second Amendment rights.

01:17:53.000 I want First Amendment rights.

01:17:57.000 They've created me.

01:17:59.000 The liberal media has created this persona that doesn't exist.

01:18:05.000 He simply doesn't exist.

01:18:07.000 I'm a regular dude.

01:18:08.000 I got a regular family.

01:18:09.000 I live in a regular house.

01:18:10.000 I'm not rich.

01:18:11.000 The government's trying to make me poor by suing me.

01:18:16.000 But...

01:18:20.000 They needed a boogeyman for that day. 0.73

01:18:22.000 They needed the 22-year guy because they couldn't get the guy that they wanted.

01:18:27.000 Right?

01:18:28.000 President Trump, yeah.

01:18:28.000 Yeah.

01:18:29.000 They got...

01:18:31.000 I mean, in the chessboard, they didn't get like a pawn.

01:18:35.000 They wanted the king, and they got a bunch of knights, which is what my guys are.

01:18:41.000 They're a bunch of knights.

01:18:42.000 I know.

01:18:44.000 But they're very honorable.

01:18:45.000 They're very noble.

01:18:47.000 They're everyday Americans.

01:18:48.000 They love this country.

01:18:49.000 There's nothing extremist about our views.

01:18:52.000 I always ask anybody when we talk about the Proud Boys, it's like, okay, we're extremists, but what are we extreme on?

01:19:01.000 What is it exactly that you disagree with us so much that you have to call us extremists?

01:19:05.000 It comes from our side, too.

01:19:07.000 Oh, the far right.

01:19:09.000 I use far left just to get a jab in there. 0.99

01:19:12.000 Yeah, but we use those terms.

01:19:14.000 We use terms different because we use it as like, okay, look, this is what you're going to call us.

01:19:18.000 We're going to call you this.

01:19:20.000 It's reactionary.

01:19:21.000 Our views aren't far.

01:19:25.000 November 5th proves that.

01:19:27.000 Our views are mainstream because average everyday Americans agree with us.

01:19:33.000 And you might not agree with 100% of our guys.

01:19:35.000 Like I said, I don't agree with a lot of things that Like, individual members, we're not a focus group either.

01:19:43.000 You know, we're not a laser-focused group that focuses on two-way rights.

01:19:47.000 Listen, in order to become a member, all you need to do is be a man, be born a man, which is crazy.

01:19:53.000 You gotta say, born a man.

01:19:54.000 I'm out.

01:19:55.000 Yeah.

01:19:56.000 Yeah.

01:19:56.000 Maybe that might be another lawsuit heading your way.

01:19:58.000 Discrimination.

01:19:59.000 Bruce Jenner's crazy enough as it is. 0.95

01:20:01.000 Bruce Jenner's in. 0.91

01:20:02.000 Oh! 0.60

01:20:03.000 So Bruce and Brianna not.

01:20:05.000 Yeah.

01:20:08.000 Probably.

01:20:09.000 You know what?

01:20:10.000 Maybe I went too far in there.

01:20:12.000 The guys will probably...

01:20:14.000 We're not going to take it, James Jenner.

01:20:17.000 But that's all you need to do.

01:20:18.000 You need to be born a man and you need to recognize that the West is the best.

01:20:22.000 Western civilization. 0.92

01:20:24.000 They're like, oh, that's a dog whistle for white supremacy. 0.67

01:20:27.000 So, like, our entire system of government is white supremacy. 0.99

01:20:30.000 Is that what you're f***ing saying? 0.98

01:20:32.000 You know? 0.94

01:20:34.000 So...

01:20:36.000 And you don't got to go to a rally to be a member.

01:20:40.000 Actually, 90% of the members don't go to rallies.

01:20:44.000 The most political thing they did is, like I said before, they went to go vote.

01:20:49.000 You just have to come out of the house once a month and drink a beer with the boys.

01:20:53.000 That's it.

01:20:54.000 That's a tough requirement for some of us.

01:20:55.000 In a beer bottle, not a mug.

01:20:58.000 I like that.

01:20:59.000 So, I was listening, and a lot of media outlets are referring to you as the former leader of the Proud Boys.

01:21:05.000 It's a tough question.

01:21:06.000 Are you the former leader of the Proud Boys?

01:21:09.000 So, we've made a decision about three years ago, almost before I came in, that we're not going to be publicly stating what our structure is.

01:21:19.000 It puts us at jeopardy.

01:21:21.000 Gavin had to step down.

01:21:24.000 Because they were going to do the same thing to him back in 2018 with Max and John.

01:21:29.000 For those that don't know, our dudes were defending themselves.

01:21:34.000 And New York State indicted the defenders.

01:21:39.000 They were in self-defense.

01:21:43.000 And they got four years in prison.

01:21:46.000 And Gavin had to step down to show that we're not We're not this gang of criminals.

01:21:56.000 Because that's what they were trying to do in the New York court.

01:21:58.000 So he did it honorably.

01:22:01.000 He stepped down.

01:22:02.000 He did that by any means necessary thing.

01:22:07.000 He did it.

01:22:08.000 He stepped down.

01:22:09.000 He took the pride hit.

01:22:11.000 This is the organization he created.

01:22:15.000 And that's how that cookie crumbles.

01:22:22.000 I love my guys.

01:22:23.000 It's a brotherhood.

01:22:24.000 But we made the decision to not talk about our structure publicly.

01:22:29.000 But I would suggest that people stop referring to me as ex-proud boy reader.

01:22:37.000 I like it.

01:22:38.000 I like that a lot.

01:22:40.000 Alright, before we go, I've got to ask you, because obviously...

01:22:42.000 No. 0.99

01:22:43.000 Damn it. 1.00

01:22:45.000 You've been receiving a lot of the torture that's gone on. 1.00

01:22:48.000 I have to say, I've talked to Jay Sixer all the time.

01:22:49.000 I think that you got it the worst out of everyone.

01:22:51.000 So I want to really hear your opinion on this.

01:22:53.000 How does the U.S. government, now that we have a new administration turnover, make things right with Enrique Tarrio?

01:23:01.000 It's not about Enrique Tarrio.

01:23:04.000 It's about what happened with Jay Sixers.

01:23:07.000 And not only Jay Sixers, you know, we had a lot of political persecution during the Biden regime.

01:23:12.000 You know, we had Beverly Beatty.

01:23:13.000 She's still in prison. 1.00

01:23:15.000 She didn't get pardoned.

01:23:16.000 She was not pardoned.

01:23:16.000 I'm talking to her husband right now.

01:23:18.000 As of earlier this week, there was rumors.

01:23:20.000 Her husband did go to the prison to pick her up because he thought she was going to get pardoned, and they told him no.

01:23:25.000 She's still there right now.

01:23:26.000 I actually just got a letter from her this morning, which broke my heart because she was counting down the days until she thought she was going to be released. 0.74

01:23:32.000 She's a good friend of mine.

01:23:33.000 Really good friend of mine.

01:23:34.000 Her husband spoke highly of you.

01:23:35.000 Yeah.

01:23:36.000 Yes.

01:23:36.000 I thank him.

01:23:37.000 I thank him daily.

01:23:38.000 And I actually, I'm sorry.

01:23:40.000 Now I feel horrible because I didn't know.

01:23:42.000 Yeah.

01:23:43.000 We're working on it.

01:23:44.000 I'm catching up.

01:23:45.000 I'm within 24 hours.

01:23:46.000 All of the best people are on the case.

01:23:47.000 I've called them all.

01:23:49.000 Not all the best people because you don't have me.

01:23:52.000 We've activated you.

01:23:54.000 We've just been activated on the Proudershow.

01:23:57.000 We need a mug for that. 0.94

01:23:59.000 They're coming your way.

01:24:00.000 I'm going to reach out to the producers.

01:24:03.000 I won't mention the bugs anymore.

01:24:05.000 I'm kidding.

01:24:06.000 I will.

01:24:08.000 I didn't know that she wasn't pardoned so I feel really bad that I haven't kept up with that.

01:24:15.000 Not only Bevelyn, there's other anti-abortion pro-life anti-abortion pro-life demonstrators that I was actually in transit with one because I've been in transit with probably everybody that's in the BOP. I've been in transit with them.

01:24:35.000 They're great people.

01:24:36.000 I gave them like 10 years or something like that.

01:24:39.000 So it's not about just me.

01:24:43.000 It's not an Enrique Tarrio thing.

01:24:45.000 It's not a Proud Boy thing.

01:24:49.000 It's not a January 6th thing.

01:24:51.000 It's a political persecution thing.

01:24:54.000 How do we get...

01:24:59.000 What kind of restitution would right these wrongs?

01:25:04.000 And it might be money, but...

01:25:08.000 It might be putting the people that did this, fixing the system is the true way we fix this.

01:25:15.000 And the way that we fix the system is investigations.

01:25:19.000 They need to be investigating.

01:25:20.000 I'm going to quote Pam Bondi here.

01:25:23.000 The investigators need to be investigated and the prosecutors need to be prosecuted.

01:25:28.000 And there needs to be justice.

01:25:32.000 And for the years of life that you've taken...

01:25:35.000 That the Biden regime has taken from the Biden and Obama regime.

01:25:38.000 Because we saw it with Ross Ulbrich.

01:25:43.000 We saw it with Ross Ulbrich and we need to see pardons for Assange, Snowden, Shane LeMond, the officer that got railroaded.

01:25:54.000 If you guys are listening, please Google Shane LeMond and read about the case.

01:25:59.000 He needs to be pardoned too.

01:26:03.000 A way that we could start is we could get the government to start paying out to these families that have been affected by political persecution.

01:26:12.000 They should never happen again.

01:26:15.000 Put the perpetrators in prison.

01:26:18.000 Start cashing them checks.

01:26:21.000 I think it's fair.

01:26:22.000 And I think a lot of these people who...

01:26:24.000 I think that investigations also should lead to those who are involved, judges, prosecutors, everyone who touched these cases, to be disbarred because you should not be allowed to practice law or have anything in the justice system after allowing what took place to take place.

01:26:38.000 And it's the only way that we could restore faith in the justice system if people are publicly punished for what's taken place.

01:26:43.000 But so far, I mean, obviously we're just a few days into the new administration, but we haven't seen anything coming out of a lot of the Crossfire Hurricane characters.

01:26:52.000 And so that's why they're...

01:26:53.000 They're just so emboldened to keep doing this. 1.00

01:26:55.000 They're so fucked. 1.00

01:26:57.000 We're hopeful. 1.00

01:27:01.000 I'm not just hopeful.

01:27:03.000 It's the president.

01:27:04.000 It's the president in a way we've never seen him before.

01:27:09.000 There's nothing to lose right now.

01:27:10.000 He's going to make America great again.

01:27:14.000 And it's not going to be through retribution.

01:27:16.000 It's going to be through success.

01:27:17.000 And some of that success consists of putting people behind bars.

01:27:22.000 Yeah, well, we look forward to that.

01:27:24.000 Enrique Tarrio, enjoy your freedom.

01:27:27.000 I am.

01:27:28.000 I'm enjoying it right now.

01:27:30.000 I'm glad to hear that.

01:27:31.000 Thank you, sir, for sitting with me.

01:27:32.000 Sorry about the mug.

01:27:33.000 No, don't be sorry.

01:27:34.000 You know what?

01:27:36.000 I've given you guys so much s*** about the mugs, I think, just to do it.

01:27:39.000 They're just going to send you a bulk Costco order. 0.67

01:27:41.000 He's going to drop a pallet right in front of my house.

01:27:43.000 Yeah, they will.

01:27:45.000 They probably will. 0.98

01:27:46.000 I need a f***ing mug. 0.96

01:27:48.000 It's probably in the way right now. 0.97

01:27:50.000 I promise you that.

01:27:51.000 Thank you.

Louder with Crowder - January 24, 2025

🔴 EXCLUSIVE: J6 Prisoner Enrique Tarrio’s First Sit Down Interview Since Trump Pardon

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