Louder with Crowder - June 19, 2024


EXCLUSIVE: Murderer Groomed High School Girl into Sex in Jail; Massive Cover-Up

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Steven Crowder
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John Doe Willie James Attaway Larkin McGowan Aaron Fitzgerald Willie Attaway Jr. Anthony Dwyer Deputy Dwyer Courtney Francisco Principal Zari Richard Jones Melissa Duffy Aaron Fischel Lacey Holman Mug Club Louder Baby
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22

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In this episode, we speak with the Director of Juvenile Justice in Butler County, Ohio, about an alleged sexual assault involving a minor high school student and a convicted criminal. We also speak with a member of the Butler County Sheriff's Office and the Public Relations Coordinator of the DA's Office.

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00:00:00.000 I don't know what you people are doing, but you are, you're really part of the country.
00:00:04.000 We're asking, we're asking questions, man.
00:00:05.000 Sir, sir, I have nothing to say to you.
00:00:07.000 A student in your program got taken advantage of.
00:00:09.000 Sir, you got about five seconds to get off my phone.
00:00:11.000 If you're asking us to leave, we're leaving.
00:00:12.000 I'm definitely telling you to leave.
00:00:13.000 Not a problem.
00:00:14.000 This is private property.
00:00:15.000 We are asking questions as journalists.
00:00:16.000 We are not doing anything more than that.
00:00:18.000 We are simply asking questions as journalists.
00:00:20.000 We called you on the phone.
00:00:21.000 You are on private property.
00:00:22.000 You hung up the phone on us.
00:00:23.000 She would never be alone with a convicted criminal.
00:00:26.000 I know I chase you know where I am in my right here. This is my property. You don't care about a young girl 1.00
00:00:32.000 I don't care about your story. Who you were responsible for She was under your care, correct? No
00:00:38.000 She would never be alone with a convicted criminal Oh no, you just don't show her in that work I take care of
00:00:45.000 Just to be clear like we're talking like minor high school students will be alone with criminals in jail
00:00:50.000 Yeah, I mean they hire me and the reason why we do it is because they hired a 18 1.00
00:00:56.000 So they're getting experience before they become an adult?
00:01:00.000 I'm aware that if you're intent on doing something, it's almost impossible to stop.
00:01:05.000 As long as I've been here, I've had correctional officers engaged in sexual activity within a facility and been prosecuted.
00:01:11.000 We've sent people to prison for that.
00:01:12.000 And one thing I know is that if somebody is intent on doing something, it's very hard to stop it completely because you can move around, and while an officer is doing his rounds, you can step inside a cell for a very short period of time, engaged in some nefarious activity, like brain.
00:01:28.000 Something like that.
00:01:28.000 I believe the person is now 18.
00:01:31.000 There was, at all times in this particular incident, there was another officer in that pod.
00:01:37.000 I'm happy to answer any questions.
00:01:38.000 I'm AJ.
00:01:39.000 I'm the public relations coordinator here.
00:01:41.000 Public relations, okay.
00:01:42.000 Are you not available to speak?
00:01:42.000 Do you want to go?
00:01:44.000 Um, I would prefer to speak on behalf of the district.
00:01:47.000 So, as of last year, then, how did the program just end?
00:01:50.000 Is it the sheriff's office that stopped it?
00:01:51.000 Because from my understanding, the sheriff's office told me that after they learned of the incident, that they were the ones that stopped the program.
00:01:56.000 No, that's not something that I'm aware of.
00:01:57.000 That would be a question for the Sheriff's Office, if that's something that... I mean, are you aware that the Sheriff's Office is no longer... Well, I believe that we temporarily suspended it.
00:02:10.000 Hey, I can connect you down to his office.
00:02:13.000 However, we are on summer break, so... We really have a skeleton crew here right now.
00:02:21.000 We'll try...
00:02:24.000 I'm gonna try one more person.
00:02:29.000 Hold on.
00:02:30.000 The person at extension 4-1-1-7 is unavailable.
00:02:37.000 So no students- I can tell her that.
00:02:39.000 No students been assaulted through Butler Tech at the jail.
00:02:43.000 Correct.
00:02:43.000 Okay, well thank goodness, man.
00:02:44.000 So what happened with- Excuse me?
00:02:52.000 I can't speak on students.
00:02:55.000 I'll give you my email address, and you can send me an email with the particulars that you know.
00:03:02.000 I will go through the proper channels with Marshall Service Headquarters to see, you know, what information we can relay to you, but I also believe with very respectfully that you need to do a FOIA request asking information if there was an investigation done by the Marshall Service, you know, if, you know, something to that effect, what information I don't know if this jogs your memory at all.
00:03:25.000 Willie Attaway and Larkin McGowan are the federal inmates involved.
00:03:28.000 So there's a record of this.
00:03:30.000 Are those people you'd be familiar with?
00:03:33.000 Hardened criminals?
00:03:35.000 I have no comment, sir.
00:03:38.000 If you did follow me, you'll get received an email, and we are opening an investigation into this matter,
00:03:44.000 and we will coordinate you to approach and complete the investigation.
00:03:49.000 Are you able to confirm that you are not aware of this prior
00:03:52.000 to us inviting you down here?
00:03:54.000 We were not aware.
00:03:55.000 Well, what I can say is, based on what you guys advised us of on Friday, we are formalizing a written response that once it gets approval from Marshall Service Headquarters, I will forward to you.
00:04:09.000 Okay.
00:04:10.000 But outside of the official response, I want to say thank you for bringing this to our attention.
00:04:16.000 Thank you.
00:04:30.000 Marshals have opened an investigation into a massive cover-up within the Butler County, Ohio, jail.
00:04:37.000 And I know that exclusively because of our undercover unit and you, the supporting members of Mug Club. 0.98
00:04:43.000 Second, I'm going to let you know how this seemingly local story actually directly affects and impacts you and your community.
00:04:54.000 To start with, a 17-year-old girl was taking part in a school vocational program.
00:05:00.000 In which she spent time with violent federal inmates who proceeded to coerce and manipulate her into sexual acts and trafficking contraband.
00:05:10.000 Now how did this happen?
00:05:12.000 And who, if anybody, could have stopped it?
00:05:15.000 According to all of the information available, the incident was buried by both those in charge at the Butler Tech Justice Program, that's the vocational school, and the Butler County Sheriff's Department itself.
00:05:26.000 Why?
00:05:28.000 A wild guess would suggest that Butler County's not wanting to lose their multi-million dollar federal contract with the U.S.
00:05:36.000 Marshals could be a reason. 0.53
00:05:39.000 And I'm sure that 17-year-old girls being exposed to and left with violent federal inmates might reflect poorly on the publicly funded Butler Tech vocational program.
00:05:50.000 Key terms here being contracts and publicly funded.
00:05:56.000 Starting to see how this could happen in your community?
00:06:00.000 In any community?
00:06:02.000 I'll let you be the judge.
00:06:04.000 Starts with an internship involving the county jail.
00:06:09.000 With a minor.
00:06:11.000 Who was seemingly allowed free reign and was repeatedly left unattended with hardened criminals, including a convicted murderer.
00:06:20.000 As a result, a relationship developed between this minor female and two dangerous federal inmates. 1.00
00:06:28.000 Larkin McGowan, who committed every crime from drug abuse to aggravated robbery, and Willie Attaway Jr., a convicted murderer.
00:06:36.000 Subsequently, these two were able to effectively groom this girl into illegal acts and, of course, major violations. 1.00
00:06:46.000 of jail policy.
00:06:47.000 Mug Club only became aware of this incident because one brave whistleblower contacted us with leaked documents and details of the case.
00:06:55.000 Now, that would seem shocking enough.
00:07:01.000 We understand, though, that mistakes are often made, even harmful ones, unintentionally.
00:07:06.000 The inexcusable part is that once we began investigating, we were repeatedly stonewalled and outright lied to.
00:07:16.000 By both the Tech School and the Sheriff's Department.
00:07:19.000 These people knew about the incident.
00:07:22.000 They just didn't want anyone else to know.
00:07:24.000 You know who else didn't know?
00:07:26.000 The U.S.
00:07:26.000 Marshals.
00:07:28.000 Do you know how I know?
00:07:29.000 Because the local Chief Deputy directed us to them, claiming that the Marshals had been made aware.
00:07:35.000 And so, we made some phone calls.
00:07:38.000 It's a good thing we did.
00:07:40.000 The story you're about to hear is definitely disturbing for some viewers, but It's an important one.
00:07:51.000 March 1st, 2024.
00:07:52.000 Jane Doe, a female high school student, was interning as a correctional officer through this criminal justice program at Butler Tech, an alternative learning institution based in Hamilton, Ohio. 0.99
00:08:06.000 Now, we, of course, are not going to reveal the name of this person because she's a minor and she's a victim of the incompetency of her program's leadership and the jail's correctional staff within the Butler County Sheriff's Department.
00:08:22.000 According to Butler Tech's website, students on the criminal justice track will put on a uniform and uphold the law of the land with a future in criminal justice and explore all angles of law enforcement from police training to court proceedings, forensics and investigations to crisis response.
00:08:40.000 As part of the internship program, this Jane Doe was placed In the Butler County Jail. 0.55
00:08:47.000 Now, it should be noted until 2021, Butler County worked with ICE to house immigrants while their asylum cases were pending.
00:08:54.000 For the first time in about 17 years, Butler County Sheriff's Office will no longer work with ICE to jail immigrants.
00:09:00.000 The sheriff terminated the contract with the Department of Homeland Security this week.
00:09:05.000 WCPO 9 News reporter Courtney Francisco found out what this means for people held prisoner under the old contract.
00:09:12.000 Life inside Butler County Jail's immigrant quarters will change over the next 60 days, attorneys say.
00:09:18.000 Immigrants will get released. 1.00
00:09:19.000 Butler County received a hefty sum to do so.
00:09:23.000 In 2017, the marshals made a deal with the jail for $8.2 million over five years to house ICE detainees.
00:09:31.000 In 2017, WCPO's investigative team told you the federal government used taxpayer dollars to pay the jail about $8.2 million over five years to house ICE detainees.
00:09:41.000 After somewhere around 17 years, Butler County Jail ended their contract with the Department of Homeland Security, citing that federal officials continue to add unreasonable and cost-prohibitive mandates.
00:09:52.000 Now, our source indicated that the Butler County Jail now receives $10 million in federal funding to house federal inmates on behalf of the U.S.
00:10:00.000 Marshals.
00:10:01.000 We did find a 2014 contract agreement between the United States Marshals Service and the Butler County Jail signed by current Sheriff Richard Jones, which showed a deal totaling $8.4 million.
00:10:14.000 That means that when Jane Doe started her program, it was known She would be working in proximity with federal inmates, including, again, hardened criminals guilty of everything up to and including murder.
00:10:27.000 Now, while that may seem questionable, it could figuratively all have been done above board if all the proper procedures had been followed.
00:10:36.000 They were not followed.
00:10:39.000 And what happened as a result cannot be considered anything close to above board.
00:10:45.000 So according to our source, Jane Doe, a high school student, a minor at the time, was routinely left unsupervised in the facility with, again, hardened inmates.
00:10:56.000 For reference, here's a photo of where Jane Doe might have worked.
00:11:00.000 During her time in the program.
00:11:02.000 Now, this minor female, a girl, was then coerced over the course of her internship into smuggling contraband, including drugs, cell phones, and cigarettes. 1.00
00:11:13.000 However, that pales in comparison to what happened between Jane Doe, this minor female, and two inmates, Willie Attaway and Larkin McGowan.
00:11:25.000 Attaway is being held at Butler County for murdering the owner of a store during armed robbery.
00:11:30.000 A man pleads guilty to murdering a convenience store owner and five other armed robberies in all.
00:11:35.000 The robberies happening in Hamilton, Lebanon, Deerfield Township, Blue Ash and Madeira.
00:11:39.000 32-year-old Willie James Attaway now admitting To murdering the owner of the Madeira Beverage.
00:11:45.000 This was back in February of 2021.
00:11:47.000 And again, he pleaded guilty today.
00:11:49.000 It was one of the five places he robbed over a two-day period after Attaway killed this owner.
00:11:55.000 He then went on to rob two more convenience stores that very night.
00:11:58.000 He faces up to 45 years behind bars.
00:12:01.000 That's just the cherry on top of a long history.
00:12:05.000 Containing criminal drug charges, domestic abuse, you can read up on it.
00:12:09.000 Now, McGowan has a criminal history of violent crimes, including burglary, aggravated robbery, you know, the run-of-the-mill stuff.
00:12:17.000 According to our source, these inmates actively manipulated, groomed, and coerced Jane Doe into sexual acts, including not limited to sodomy. 0.83
00:12:30.000 These claims are supported by letters.
00:12:35.000 That we have obtained between Jane Doe.
00:12:38.000 And the inmates.
00:12:39.000 Now, the letters which we are about to show you were shared exclusively with the Mug Club Undercover Unit by one of our viewers.
00:12:45.000 And when I told you that Mug Club Undercover was going to be a huge part of the future here of Mug Club, that's exactly what I meant.
00:12:52.000 None of this is possible without you, Mug Club, our members.
00:12:56.000 If you want to help to continue and grow this movement, do consider joining Mug Club at louderwithcrowder.com slash Mug Club right now.
00:13:04.000 Use the promo code COVERUP for $20 off.
00:13:07.000 None of this happens Without you.
00:13:09.000 Let's take a look at some examples of the correspondence between the hardened federal inmates and young girl.
00:13:20.000 This one here reads as a masterclass in manipulation written by Larkin McGowan to Jane Doe.
00:13:26.000 It says, Baby, I apologize about earlier. 0.99
00:13:30.000 I just don't want you to f*** up what you got going on for one of these clowns. 0.99
00:13:36.000 Like I said before, talk too much. He already told everybody he got your 0.99
00:13:42.000 Instagram. It's cool to talk, but don't be too friendly, because n****s start thinking other 1.00
00:13:49.000 sh**. They think you talking to them means that you like them, and you my b****, so I 0.98
00:13:55.000 can't have that. And about what I asked you last week about the Newports, it's really
00:13:59.000 simple, babe. You won't get in trouble if you listen to me and do it the right way. You
00:14:04.000 can literally just put them in your bra until you get in. Here's another one. To Jane 0.65
00:14:09.000 Doe from Willie Attaway, aka Bear, a.k.a.
00:14:13.000 convicted murderer.
00:14:15.000 Bay, my name Bear.
00:14:18.000 I'm 32 years old.
00:14:20.000 I have no kids.
00:14:21.000 I'm from Cincinnati.
00:14:23.000 I grew up downtown.
00:14:24.000 I'm looking for someone I can build with, get to know, and start a future.
00:14:29.000 Someone that's for me, like I'm for them.
00:14:31.000 Someone I can call my person.
00:14:34.000 And Attaway writes like this for pages and pages, including, I just want to be as safe as possible and I really want to
00:14:41.000 build with you.
00:14:42.000 I'm not in this relationship to use you or hurt you.
00:14:45.000 Only time I'll hurt you is when we make love.
00:14:49.000 But it will be more pleasure than pain.
00:14:51.000 And if that weren't romantic enough, write down an address I can get at you at, 0.99
00:14:58.000 and that cash app so I can keep them nails and sexy ass feet done. 1.00
00:15:03.000 Let's turn up. 0.99
00:15:05.000 I'm not playing with you at all.
00:15:06.000 I'm locking you down.
00:15:08.000 You mine. 0.82
00:15:09.000 You my baby.
00:15:10.000 I'm your dude.
00:15:11.000 Write me back ASAP.
00:15:14.000 To my queen, from your king.
00:15:17.000 In one particularly graphic letter to Jane Doe, he writes, Make sure you write your phone number down on a small piece of paper, ball it up real small, and when you do your rounds, flick it in my cell.
00:15:32.000 My cellie is my homie from the streets, so we good, and you ain't gotta have no worries dealing with us at all.
00:15:38.000 It's the others you gotta be careful about.
00:15:41.000 So is you trying to be wifey or what? 1.00
00:15:43.000 Do you want to ride my f**ks and big d**k? 1.00
00:15:46.000 Can you handle 11 inches? 1.00
00:15:49.000 Another jam a list of get to know you questions from who we presume based on the Less than stellar handwriting is Larkin McGowan, reads...
00:15:58.000 2. How many dudes do you talk to?
00:16:01.000 3. Can you see yourself being with me when I get out?
00:16:04.000 4. Why you be entertaining these dumbass n****s in here? 1.00
00:16:09.000 5. What do you like most about me? 1.00
00:16:12.000 6. Do you s*** or c***? 0.99
00:16:15.000 7. Have you ever been in a relationship? 0.99
00:16:16.000 Have you ever been to Columbus?
00:16:19.000 What's your favorite position?
00:16:21.000 P.S.
00:16:22.000 I was excited to see you today, and I'm a call tonight between 9 and 9.30. 0.67
00:16:26.000 And please stop accepting notes from these n****s. And the s*** I be doing in my cell and in the shower, you can't do that with other people, because you minds only. 1.00
00:16:37.000 Remember, Jane Doe is a minor. 0.99
00:16:40.000 A girl.
00:16:40.000 Of course, these acts couldn't go unpunished.
00:16:43.000 She was charged with multiple crimes, including a Class 3 felony.
00:16:47.000 Attaway Jr.
00:16:48.000 and McGowan?
00:16:50.000 They haven't faced any punishment yet, but there is an ongoing C-10 investigation, according to Chief Deputy Dwyer, and according to Ohio.gov, a C-10 violation in this case means that even if found guilty, the inmates could really face nothing more than a restriction of certain privileges for a designated period of time.
00:17:09.000 Justice is served.
00:17:15.000 So, in order to corroborate what the source had given us, we FOIA'd the incident report, as well as any communications between Jane Doe and the inmates.
00:17:24.000 We were successful with the incident report confirming a relationship between this girl, Jane Doe, and the inmates, but were denied the letters or any other forms of communication.
00:17:36.000 So, naturally, we had more than a few questions.
00:17:39.000 Namely, what kind of a program What kind of a publicly funded program would leave minors unattended with murderers?
00:17:54.000 We reached out to Butler Tech for answers, and what we got included a slew of contradicting answers across 24 separate phone calls.
00:18:04.000 First spoke with Butler Tech Secretary Lacey Holman, who assured us that under no circumstances would a minor ever be left alone in this kind of a situation.
00:18:16.000 So wait, so you said they do a tour, but they're not, she would never be alone with a convicted criminal.
00:18:22.000 Oh, thank God.
00:18:24.000 So, so I can promise her that there is never going to be a situation where she would be alone with some like hardened criminal.
00:18:33.000 Incorrect.
00:18:34.000 So what kind of safety measures you guys have in place?
00:18:42.000 Like, I think that's cool.
00:18:43.000 They get to see the jail and all, but like, obviously they would be like supervised by
00:18:46.000 is that someone from Butler Tech that goes with them on the jail tour?
00:18:49.000 Yeah, their criminal justice instructor goes and then normally there's one or two other
00:18:53.000 chaperones.
00:18:54.000 Incorrect.
00:18:55.000 We agree, these are children.
00:18:58.000 This is not what we would call taken care of.
00:19:03.000 So next, we reached out to the head of the program, Aaron Fitzgerald, who told us that while interns may, from time to time, be left alone, nothing bad has ever happened as a result.
00:19:17.000 Would a student ever be alone with a criminal in the jail?
00:19:22.000 Um... Yes.
00:19:27.000 If they're interning.
00:19:28.000 Yeah, I know.
00:19:29.000 Yeah, I mean, I select those students who are going to do the internships their senior year.
00:19:40.000 But, I mean, yes, they will be, I mean, those students who do the internship at a jail, they will be working in a full-fledged jail facility.
00:19:51.000 I appreciate it.
00:19:52.000 They'll be there with officers, but I mean, will there be times where you might be,
00:19:58.000 you know, alone with the inmate? I mean, that possibility exists.
00:20:02.000 Okay.
00:20:02.000 I mean, so I mean, I, you know, I mean, I'm just being real with you. I, you know.
00:20:06.000 I appreciate it. I mean, that's what I'm trying to, I'm just trying to put out the fire.
00:20:10.000 I mean, there's all going to be all kinds of paperwork, you know, before we do the
00:20:14.000 internships that they would have to sign. I mean.
00:20:16.000 Just to be clear, like, we're talking like minor high school students
00:20:20.000 will be alone with criminals in jail. Yeah. I mean, they have been the reason
00:20:25.000 why we do it because they hired 18.
00:20:28.000 So they're getting experience before they become an adult?
00:20:32.000 Why wouldn't you guys just... I mean and you know here's the thing I can kind of like I mean there's probably there's probably never been like an incident right?
00:20:46.000 Um, I mean... I mean, we... I mean, but... I can tell you that, but I mean, it's a jail facility, so things, you know... Things can happen, right?
00:20:57.000 But... Things happen, that's what happened in jail.
00:20:59.000 But no students ever died?
00:21:00.000 Can I tell her that?
00:21:02.000 Yeah, that's correct.
00:21:03.000 Anything, like, been assaulted?
00:21:05.000 Anything like that?
00:21:06.000 No.
00:21:07.000 Okay, good.
00:21:08.000 So no students... I can tell her that.
00:21:10.000 No students been assaulted through Butler Tech at the jail.
00:21:14.000 Finally, we spoke with Butler County Chief Deputy Anthony Dwyer, who told us that not only were the interns left alone, but something bad actually did happen.
00:21:25.000 What was incorrect about what I had stated in my voicemail?
00:21:31.000 Once again, it's a pending criminal case.
00:21:33.000 The person in this case, the juvenile, has been charged.
00:21:37.000 Do you, did you know that?
00:21:39.000 Yeah, the juvenile was charged with, it was conveyance of a, you know, contraband essentially.
00:21:44.000 Yeah, that was the original charge.
00:21:47.000 And then there's an underlying discussion about the other physical things that went on in the facility with
00:21:52.000 this juvenile.
00:21:53.000 We then tried to get some answers, some help, from Hamilton High School, who shares a campus with...
00:21:59.000 with Butler Tech. Unfortunately, we got the runaround from HHS as well, until we were
00:22:05.000 finally called back by Principal Zari, who outright denied any affiliation.
00:22:11.000 Were you made aware of this situation?
00:22:19.000 The Butler Tech criminal justice program is not a satellite program here at our campus.
00:22:25.000 Seems cut and dry.
00:22:27.000 Except it was promptly contradicted by the Hamilton School Board.
00:22:34.000 Hey there.
00:22:35.000 I was just calling to see if y'all were affiliated with Butler Tech Vocational School.
00:22:39.000 Yes, there's like a program that the high school should take. Awesome. 0.66
00:22:48.000 There's one.
00:22:49.000 So my kid wants to do criminal justice.
00:22:52.000 I heard they got a great program there at Butler Tech.
00:22:56.000 Yes.
00:23:01.000 So now we have a harrowing hair-raising incident involving a girl, violent federal inmates, including a murderer, and the high school can't help.
00:23:13.000 Guess they're not responsible.
00:23:15.000 The tech school can't help.
00:23:16.000 Guess they're not responsible.
00:23:17.000 The local sheriff's department can't help.
00:23:21.000 I guess they're not responsible.
00:23:22.000 Maybe you could argue that since this involves federal prisoners under the supervision of U.S.
00:23:28.000 Marshals, they should be the ones to deal with it.
00:23:33.000 The big question that we had as we continued down this path is, did they even know?
00:23:39.000 When Chief Deputy Dwyer contacted my team on Monday, June 17th, he told us that he was almost positive the Marshals They knew.
00:23:48.000 Unfortunately, when we spoke with the very helpful, by the way, Assistant Chief Deputy U.S.
00:23:57.000 So the marshals, the kid, the kid's family?
00:24:01.000 You know, I can't confirm.
00:24:02.000 I'm almost positive that they spoke to the marshals and notified them of the incident.
00:24:07.000 Unfortunately, when we spoke with the very helpful, by the way, Assistant Chief Deputy
00:24:13.000 U.S. Marshal Melissa Duffy, who our source indicated was responsible for the inmates
00:24:20.000 she indicated that the marshals in fact did not know and as a result of now
00:24:28.000 knowing they were launching an investigation Two days later, June 17th, Duffy informed us that the U.S.
00:24:51.000 Marshals would be providing a written statement and assured us that they were taking the matter very seriously.
00:24:58.000 I just wanted to confirm that **** said that you weren't aware of this before we called or brought it to your attention, right?
00:25:06.000 Well, what I can say is, based on what you guys advised us of on Friday, we are formalizing a written response that once it gets approval from Marshall Service Headquarters, I will forward to you.
00:25:20.000 Okay.
00:25:21.000 But outside of the official response, I want to say thank you for bringing this to our attention.
00:25:28.000 And I mean, we are concerned, I can say that.
00:25:32.000 Yes.
00:25:33.000 And we understand the sensitivity of the matter, but, and hence why we are doing a written statement that is going, it's coming out between the Marshall Service here, Southern Ohio and Marshall Service headquarters.
00:25:47.000 Okay, great.
00:25:49.000 And as soon as I receive that as, you know, from my senior management here locally, which I am a part of obviously, we will forward it on and I will personally make sure that you receive it.
00:26:01.000 As of this recording, We are still waiting to receive the letter.
00:26:09.000 Now, during that same call, Dwyer also downplayed Jane Doe's status as a minor, and altogether the seriousness of the situation.
00:26:20.000 I don't know who you've talked to, but generally with a pending criminal case, we don't talk much about those.
00:26:24.000 I also want to make sure that things are accurate, that you're getting the right information and not, I'm assuming as a journalist, you're, you know, you want to have accurate information that you can report.
00:26:35.000 Yes sir, 100%.
00:26:35.000 Sir, 100%.
00:26:36.000 Right, and like I said, when I listen to the message, that's not accurate.
00:26:41.000 Can we talk off the record?
00:26:42.000 Are you truly, I don't really know you, so are you a journalist?
00:26:45.000 Everyone that's involved in this is aware.
00:26:47.000 Obviously the juvenile...
00:26:48.000 So the marshals, the kid, the kid's family...
00:26:51.000 You know, I can't confirm.
00:26:53.000 I'm almost positive that they spoke to the marshals and notified them of the incident.
00:26:56.000 I've been involved in this for quite a while in the jail, and I'm aware that if you're intent on doing something, it's almost impossible to stop.
00:27:05.000 As long as I've been here, I've had correctional officers engaged in sexual activity within
00:27:09.000 the facility and been prosecuted.
00:27:10.000 We've sent people to prison for that.
00:27:13.000 And one thing I know is that if somebody is intent on doing something, it's very hard
00:27:17.000 to stop it completely because you can move around and while an officer is doing his round,
00:27:22.000 you can step inside a cell for a very short period of time, engage in some nefarious activity
00:27:26.000 like bringing contraband in or something like that.
00:27:29.000 So it is difficult to stop that 100%.
00:27:32.000 This was a particularly alarming situation to us because of the age of the student in
00:27:36.000 question.
00:27:37.000 I believe the person is now 18.
00:27:41.000 Well, and that's what I mentioned to you earlier.
00:27:42.000 When somebody decides to go down that path, it's virtually impossible to stop it completely.
00:27:44.000 that that's not the case, but we can double check that.
00:27:47.000 Has there been any change to the policy?
00:27:50.000 Is there anything that's changed as far as supervisory roles inside the facility that
00:27:54.000 could prevent this sort of thing from happening again?
00:27:57.000 Well, and that's what I mentioned to you earlier.
00:28:00.000 When somebody decides to go down that path, it's virtually impossible to stop it completely.
00:28:05.000 The only information we have during the interview was a consensual encounter with an inmate.
00:28:12.000 We have the letters written between these two federal inmates, Larkin McGowan and Willie Attaway.
00:28:18.000 We know what went on, sir.
00:28:19.000 And if you have those, we would appreciate you sharing those with us because it might lead to the criminal case.
00:28:24.000 You have them too.
00:28:27.000 Letters between two inmates?
00:28:28.000 Yes, and the phone calls.
00:28:30.000 We understand there's video of her being sodomized by these men on her cell phone.
00:28:35.000 So you're telling me there was a guard in earshot of this?
00:28:39.000 There was at all times from my understanding of the investigation another officer inside I think there was another cell phone involved, and I don't believe that they authenticated any video of the actual incident occurring.
00:28:52.000 That's two separate issues.
00:28:54.000 There is a taped interview with her that is in court as we speak, where you have the whole interview of them talking to her.
00:29:00.000 At first she denies the allegation, and then she continues on to make other admissions.
00:29:05.000 And there is a full... that is taped.
00:29:08.000 And that is actually currently in the court system now.
00:29:11.000 There's a motion to suppress her statement, and it's...
00:29:13.000 They've had a first hearing and there's another hearing pending.
00:29:16.000 Who filed the motion to suppress her statement? 0.53
00:29:19.000 Excuse me?
00:29:20.000 Who filed the motion to suppress her statement? 0.53
00:29:22.000 Her attorney.
00:29:23.000 If somebody wants to come here so we can exchange that information or receive it, yes, we would take any information if it's relevant to the case.
00:29:30.000 Obviously we want to get to the truth of the matter and I believe at the time they did have her phone and they scanned her phone.
00:29:39.000 We have all that, so if there's something else, and I was aware of another video that I believe is unrelated, but yes, anybody, if somebody wants to bring information here and share it, I'd appreciate that.
00:29:50.000 Now, while we were in Butler County, my team also visited Butler Tech.
00:29:55.000 Unfortunately, the place was largely a ghost town with only a secretary who knew very little, but still looking for answers.
00:30:02.000 The Mug Club undercover unit visited the home of Butler Tech program lead Aaron Fitzgerald, And that is when the following exchange took place.
00:30:12.000 Yeah.
00:30:17.000 Hello.
00:30:17.000 Hi.
00:30:20.000 I was looking for Aaron Fischel.
00:30:22.000 Who are you with, sir?
00:30:22.000 Yes.
00:30:24.000 Louder with Crowder.
00:30:25.000 You're Louder with Crowder.
00:30:26.000 What's your name? 0.99
00:30:27.000 You're ******. 0.99
00:30:27.000 My name is ******. 0.99
00:30:28.000 What's your name? 0.93
00:30:29.000 I'm not going to give you a last name right now.
00:30:30.000 Again, Aaron, you're the one we're asking questions to.
00:30:32.000 Do not contact my cell phone again.
00:30:34.000 Okay.
00:30:36.000 Definitely do not come to my property again.
00:30:38.000 Okay.
00:30:38.000 Okay.
00:30:39.000 I don't know what you people are doing, but you are, you're really parking up the wrong tree.
00:30:44.000 We're asking questions, man.
00:30:45.000 Sir, I have nothing to say to you.
00:30:47.000 A student in your program got taken advantage of.
00:30:49.000 Sir, you got about five seconds to get off my property.
00:30:51.000 If you're asking us to leave, we'll leave, sir.
00:30:52.000 I'm definitely telling you to leave and not ever come back.
00:30:54.000 Not a problem.
00:30:55.000 Understood.
00:30:55.000 The nerve.
00:31:03.000 Is a private neighborhood.
00:31:08.000 It sounds out front.
00:31:09.000 I have no business being here.
00:31:11.000 Do not come back.
00:31:12.000 We will trespass.
00:31:13.000 You've already told me.
00:31:14.000 100% understanding.
00:31:15.000 You're the one who came off your property.
00:31:16.000 This right here.
00:31:17.000 No, I asked you a question.
00:31:18.000 Is private for your program?
00:31:20.000 This is private.
00:31:21.000 Asking questions is journalists.
00:31:22.000 We are not doing anything more than that.
00:31:24.000 We are simply asking questions as journalists.
00:31:26.000 We called you on the phone.
00:31:27.000 You are on private property.
00:31:28.000 You hung up the phone on us.
00:31:30.000 We're leaving.
00:31:31.000 You are on... I know.
00:31:31.000 You then chased us.
00:31:33.000 I didn't chase you nowhere.
00:31:34.000 I am in my right here.
00:31:36.000 This is my property.
00:31:37.000 Are you still running the program?
00:31:39.000 This is my property.
00:31:41.000 This is my property.
00:31:43.000 This neighborhood is completely private.
00:31:45.000 You have no business here.
00:31:46.000 My business was to come talk to you.
00:31:48.000 You asked me to leave and now we're leaving.
00:31:50.000 Your business is not to come talk to me.
00:31:52.000 Please do not contact me on my personal cell phone.
00:31:55.000 Do not ever come back to my house. 0.87
00:31:57.000 The story is coming out next week.
00:31:59.000 I don't care.
00:32:00.000 And that will take you from there.
00:32:01.000 Run the story.
00:32:02.000 I don't have anything to do with your story.
00:32:03.000 You don't care about a young girl in your program.
00:32:04.000 I don't care about your story.
00:32:05.000 You don't care about a young girl who you were responsible for.
00:32:10.000 She was under your care, correct?
00:32:13.000 No.
00:32:14.000 Do not ever come to my home again. 0.54
00:32:18.000 Understood.
00:32:20.000 So with all that, a lot of questions still remain.
00:32:26.000 Namely, all of them?
00:32:30.000 Including the ones that I'm sure are bothering you.
00:32:34.000 Is this program still ongoing?
00:32:37.000 And if it is, have any changes been made to ensure the safety of the students, people involved?
00:32:45.000 Who's in charge of the safety?
00:32:47.000 What changes have been made?
00:32:49.000 What accountability has taken place?
00:32:52.000 Who is actually in charge of running an investigation once an incident like this has already taken place and ensuring that it doesn't take place again?
00:33:01.000 Are you seeing how this could happen in any community across the United States?
00:33:06.000 Not just with this type of a program, but any publicly funded, taxpayer funded program.
00:33:14.000 It seems that anytime public funding or grants are involved, people have a vested interest in ensuring that that continues.
00:33:24.000 But where do you go as a taxpaying citizen for accountability, for answers, when your public servants aren't actually serving you?
00:33:37.000 Where do you go when your public servants are actually serving you up?
00:33:42.000 To predators.
00:33:43.000 And I don't use that term.
00:33:46.000 There's not a hint of hyperbole.
00:33:49.000 In this case, we're actually talking about minors with hardened, violent criminals.
00:33:58.000 We caught one.
00:34:01.000 How many more are there?
00:34:04.000 How could you possibly catch them?
00:34:06.000 Let me ask you this.
00:34:07.000 Who would have a vested interest in possibly catching these incidents?
00:34:14.000 And how can you be assured that that person has enough of a conscience to risk going upstream against the grain with everybody else who wants to ensure that it never sees the light of day?
00:34:28.000 Where do you go?
00:34:31.000 They're your tax dollars.
00:34:34.000 They're your daughters.
00:34:35.000 Sons. 0.88
00:34:38.000 Community members?
00:34:41.000 Who steps up?
00:34:43.000 Who do you go to?
00:34:44.000 That can happen anywhere.
00:34:46.000 And it still is.