Louder with Crowder - October 16, 2025


Facts Based "Racism" | Black & White on the Gray Issues Pt. 2 2025-10-16 18:05


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Length

9 minutes

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2,300

Sentence count

180

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Misogyny

4

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Toxicity

22

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Hate speech

7

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In this episode, we discuss the controversial topic of race and affirmative action in the workplace. We discuss the benefits and drawbacks of affirmative action and how it can be applied to black employees. We also discuss the role of words and how our words can have a negative impact on others.

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00:00:00.000 Where she said, I would never be uh at UT if not for affirmative action.
00:00:03.000 I said, affirmative, and I believe it.
00:00:05.000 Affirmative action is racist by its definition, my opinion.
00:00:07.000 It excludes on race.
00:00:09.000 That is a form of racism.
00:00:10.000 So anyway, she sat down, she said, and black girl.
00:00:13.000 She said, uh, but if it wasn't for affirmative action, she said, I wouldn't be here at UT.
00:00:16.000 I said, why do you say that?
00:00:18.000 She said, well, because I wouldn't be allowed.
00:00:19.000 I said, well, what were your SATs?
00:00:20.000 Remember the numbers that were very impressive.
00:00:22.000 I said, what was your GPA?
00:00:24.000 It was very impressive.
00:00:25.000 It was over a 4.0.
00:00:26.000 I said, that's really sad to me that you don't know, and you'll never know that you deserve to be here because I can tell you, based on if you're telling me the truth, you of course would get into UT.
00:00:37.000 And you didn't need a government program.
00:00:39.000 And you could see in her face, her teeth, tears welled up because she had been told that she needed someone else to give it to her.
00:00:45.000 And that removed her sense of pride in her accomplishment.
00:00:48.000 So I said the exact same thing as Charlie did, saying, you can never know if you earned it a meritocracy because of DEI.
00:00:54.000 And she changed her mind.
00:00:55.000 And she said, you know what?
00:00:56.000 I should be here, and I don't need DEI.
00:00:59.000 Affirmative action in that case in that nation in order to believe that.
00:01:02.000 And that yeah, in that particular and certainly not from a white guy.
00:01:05.000 In that particular instance, it might have been, it might have been completely accurate.
00:01:09.000 But there's also, if you if you want to acknowledge that there's a flip side to the coin, sure, right?
00:01:14.000 There's also a lot of people who had the qualifications who didn't get the access because once again, their name appeared wrong on the on the resume.
00:01:23.000 Your name was Katanji.
00:01:25.000 Well, we know who that is.
00:01:26.000 Let's go with Alice.
00:01:28.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:01:28.000 She is an idiot and she got the job because. 1.00
00:01:31.000 That's why affirmative action had to be in the instituted in the first place. 1.00
00:01:34.000 Now, did it operate correctly all the time?
00:01:38.000 No.
00:01:38.000 But that's what I'm saying.
00:01:39.000 Just because it didn't operate correctly all the time, you're gonna take the few instances where it didn't, and the majority is a very good thing.
00:01:45.000 What I'm saying is that Charlie Kirk, I agree.
00:01:47.000 What I'm saying is that Charlie Kirk was making a point.
00:01:49.000 And the point that he was making, I'm trying to say is the same point that I was making where this black girl agreed with it, where he was saying, if you say that I'm only here because of DEI, then I am going to believe you. 0.99
00:01:59.000 That's what he's saying.
00:01:59.000 Right.
00:02:01.000 And that's a valid point.
00:02:02.000 And it's not hateful. 1.00
00:02:03.000 In doing that, you have the responsibility in your words to not have to say the words moronic black woman. 0.99
00:02:07.000 You could have just said, if I'm on the like you said, you you just perfectly summed it up. 1.00
00:02:11.000 If I'm on the phone with a customer service agent and she's a moron, perfect. 1.00
00:02:16.000 Why does she have to be qualified as black? 1.00
00:02:18.000 Because he was addressing DEI.
00:02:20.000 That's the point.
00:02:21.000 But do you do you understand?
00:02:22.000 Do you understand how that's gonna affect somebody who hears it?
00:02:24.000 No, no, no.
00:02:25.000 My point is.
00:02:26.000 Okay, then I'm insensitive.
00:02:27.000 If someone is addressing DEI in a conversation and is asked about it, where race is relevant as per the policy, DEI, it exists based on race.
00:02:34.000 You can't blame someone for acknowledging the race in criticizing the policy.
00:02:38.000 But the policy was created because race was being used to exclude.
00:02:41.000 Fine.
00:02:42.000 Then don't say that it's wrong for him to acknowledge the race.
00:02:44.000 He was making the point about a race-based initiative.
00:02:47.000 You see, that's why he calls the race.
00:02:48.000 You see the choice in words he had to use.
00:02:50.000 And and and once again, our responsibility and our choice of words is what creates a response in other people.
00:02:57.000 I could say certain things to you, no, the way I say it can either imp it it can either give you a good vibe or a bad one.
00:03:04.000 And you go a certain way.
00:03:05.000 Yeah, but who cares?
00:03:06.000 It doesn't make someone a racist.
00:03:08.000 It doesn't, but I'm saying, when when when people when people do things knowing that we're in a heightened inflammatory time, and you do it and you do it on purpose and just bet stand behind, I'm whatever, it don't make me a racist, but I'm saying that y'all ain't sh whatever.
00:03:25.000 But he never said that.
00:03:26.000 Whatever.
00:03:28.000 No, but that matters because believing those lies is why someone killed women in a in a in a in a in a certain context, and then I'm not expecting nobody to get upset by that.
00:03:37.000 Let me uh do have to get, but let me just because Charlie Kirk is a big thing.
00:03:40.000 Let me just kind of maybe if you could just listen to this, because this is important, and I've been through it, and you're just seeing the the actual murder that got through.
00:03:47.000 I mean, I've had concrete milk chase, someone tried to bash group that with a rock, I've had people try to firebomb my car, slash my tires, I've had terrorists show up from Yemen by way of Sweden until the local PD showed up.
00:03:47.000 Right.
00:03:55.000 Like, actually, I'm on the ISIS kill list.
00:03:57.000 But it's a real thing, Charlie.
00:03:58.000 So all the stuff Dr. King and Malcolm S was dealing with.
00:04:01.000 Go ahead, finish it.
00:04:02.000 Sure, great.
00:04:02.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:04:03.000 And I think it was wrong that he was taking probably the CIA involvement too.
00:04:06.000 I think we probably all agree on that.
00:04:07.000 But MLK, right?
00:04:08.000 Yeah, it's wrong.
00:04:09.000 We can say it's all wrong.
00:04:11.000 But if you add it up, okay, where you believe the lie that he said something racist.
00:04:15.000 Let's just take that, okay?
00:04:16.000 There's some hate put out there against Charlie Kirk, that's not true.
00:04:19.000 If someone believes a lie that he wants to erase trans people, that's what the people were also told.
00:04:22.000 He wants to erase trans people, which is a lie, that person hates him too. 0.83
00:04:25.000 If someone believes that he's a fascist, or he's a Nazi, who doesn't believe we should hold democratic elections, which is a lie, and people believe that, hey, that adds another piece of hatred and justification too. 0.98
00:04:33.000 Someone believes that he's a massagist, a sexist who doesn't think that women should be allowed to vote or have the right to you know earn their place in the workplace, that's not and every single one of them is dishonest, just like no one here knew that Donald Trump said, I condemn white supremacists and neo-Nazis totally. 0.88
00:04:47.000 So I still don't know that he said it.
00:04:48.000 I hear you saying he said it, but I'd have to I'd have to go see it in order to do that.
00:04:51.000 Okay, so let's assume for a second that I'm not lying, and right after this, I make the references available always.
00:04:57.000 And you see that.
00:04:58.000 And let's assume that I'm not lying, and Charlotte Kirk wasn't racist.
00:05:02.000 And let's assume that he didn't want to commit genocide against trans people.
00:05:04.000 And let's assume for a second that I'm not lying, and there's a 12 times murder rate from black toward white people as opposed to white tour. 0.72
00:05:09.000 Let's assume that I'm not lying about any of this, because I'm kind of good at it, and I know these numbers, and it's what I do.
00:05:15.000 Wouldn't we acknowledge that, hey, why?
00:05:17.000 Why do so many people believe these lies?
00:05:19.000 I guarantee you, this right here, this conversation, you will read in the media that this was racist.
00:05:25.000 Because I sat down and discussed race issues.
00:05:27.000 Because I sat down and argued with black people.
00:05:29.000 I have been accused of being a Nazi because of sitting down and having conversations.
00:05:34.000 I said, Well, you should know that's offensive.
00:05:36.000 That's not my responsibility.
00:05:38.000 I'm actually having a conversation, and so did Charlie.
00:05:40.000 And he was shot for it and vilified for it.
00:05:43.000 And it wrongly.
00:05:44.000 And that's wrong, yeah.
00:05:44.000 That's wrong.
00:05:45.000 And nobody But it's because people believe the lie.
00:05:47.000 But that's that's my point.
00:05:48.000 It's because the the way the way information is propagate propagated and and given to people, yeah, once again, via social media, all these other platforms, and most of it is disinformation.
00:06:01.000 I agree.
00:06:02.000 So that's the root of the problem is giving people the wrong information, and then they respond into this wrong information by feeling a certain way about the people that that information is informing them about.
00:06:10.000 Yep.
00:06:11.000 So then you have crazy people responding to misinformation.
00:06:14.000 And that's what we at. 1.00
00:06:16.000 We're a bunch of crazy people, a bunch of shit-up soda cans waiting to pop over some bad information. 1.00
00:06:20.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:06:23.000 And this is the only part.
00:06:25.000 You know, as it relates to the Charlie Kirk situation, the only thing I think we kind of get the mixed messaging at is, as I said again, it was a young white man that killed Charlie Kirk for his personal issues, whatever those uh, whatever those ideologies that may have been the cause of fuel his violence, it wasn't a black man who said, I don't like what he said.
00:06:45.000 Nevertheless, he has said that, you know, uh, Katanji Brown Jackson, uh, what's that young lady that Michelle Obama, all these people, DI highs.
00:06:53.000 In other words, we respond differently because we have gotten so accustomed to it in terms of what our what's believed about us or perceived about us.
00:07:00.000 So we just know, hey, at tomorrow, it'll be another sound bite on some other sh.
00:07:04.000 You understand what I'm talking about?
00:07:05.000 So we're not gonna react the same way.
00:07:07.000 So I think we gotta acknowledge the fact that hey, you know what?
00:07:10.000 There may need to be a change in the conversation overall as it relates to what the really what's really the hell going on with white and black America. 0.94
00:07:17.000 That's why I see I just need you to kind of just, and Steve, when I say this, it's not a challenge, but I gotta ask you, you gotta tell me these sources where you're getting this 12 times more likely a black man killing a white person. 0.87
00:07:29.000 I gotta know that.
00:07:30.000 Not because it's contradictory, but because I like to have facts.
00:07:34.000 Give me the sauce.
00:07:35.000 I'll give them to you.
00:07:36.000 Yeah, when we do it, we always give a QR code where you can see all of them.
00:07:38.000 These are coming from either the FBI or the C. No, you say QR code C, and that's a blind. 0.98
00:07:42.000 I know that's what I'm saying.
00:07:43.000 I told you about that.
00:07:44.000 I'm just bringing her out in Braille and ship that.
00:07:47.000 By the way, you want to hear funny true hand of God.
00:07:50.000 I dated a girl in college whose dad was at uh he was at an airport and next to him was Stevie Wonder.
00:07:58.000 He was reading a Playboy in Braille.
00:08:00.000 I was like, I guess he had to do that one-handed. 0.97
00:08:02.000 I don't know how you use a plant playboy and braille, but hey man, black people, we love sex, that's our only connection to the rest of society. 0.95
00:08:08.000 Stevie Wonder, playboy and braille. 0.99
00:08:10.000 He's a thuff.
00:08:13.000 All right, it's been a pleasure.
00:08:15.000 Hey, Cedric, thanks.
00:08:16.000 I gotta get going too.
00:08:17.000 Thank you, man.
00:08:17.000 Now that I know you're blind, I'm gonna do that.
00:08:20.000 Thank you for everything, man.
00:08:21.000 Continue your discourse, man, because this is the only way we're gonna really get to the body.
00:08:24.000 Oh, we've got to talk about it first.
00:08:26.000 So let's create the dialogue.
00:08:27.000 Yeah, and I came in hot because you know my friends are getting killed.
00:08:30.000 Absolutely.
00:08:31.000 Absolutely, man.
00:08:31.000 But I appreciate it.
00:08:32.000 No, thank you guys.
00:08:33.000 And hopefully we can take it to do what you do, man.
00:08:36.000 When your life is on the line all the time.
00:08:37.000 I mean, come on, that's not something to scoff at me.
00:08:39.000 Just think about the possibility of losing children.
00:08:41.000 This might this might be the cure if we can if we can do it in a way that you know what I'm saying, like keep it in a way that that people don't get all up in arms about it.
00:08:49.000 That's why I'm doing it.
00:08:49.000 That's why I'm trying.
00:08:50.000 Yeah.
00:08:51.000 And I know, I know we're never gonna agree agree on everything.
00:08:53.000 We probably might not agree on anything.
00:08:54.000 That's all right.
00:08:54.000 Promise, but at least we had a conversation.
00:08:56.000 Yeah, we've had a conversation, man.
00:08:58.000 Yes, sir.
00:08:59.000 Yes, nobody walks away from the conversation.
00:09:02.000 Wrong about others.
00:09:03.000 Watch, I'm gonna walk out of here. 1.00
00:09:04.000 I have a white motherfucker. 1.00
00:09:07.000 Yeah, don't leave no mics behind. 1.00
00:09:09.000 I'm gonna tell you that.
00:09:11.000 Well, there you have it.
00:09:12.000 What do you make of what you just watched?
00:09:15.000 Assuming you watched both installments.
00:09:18.000 Do you think there's hope that we're in the path toward reconciliation?
00:09:22.000 Or are we completely cooked?
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