Louder with Crowder - January 29, 2015


Famous Imam Praises ISIS, Condemns Christians! || Louder With Crowder


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Imam Anjem Chaudhary joins us to talk about his views on Islam and the Paris attacks, and why we should not be so quick to judge others based on what they say about Islam. We also talk about the role of the state and its relationship with religion.

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00:00:00.000 Everyone does love to dance to a happy song.
00:00:09.000 I know I do.
00:00:10.000 I know Fundip does.
00:00:11.000 And hopefully our next guest, who's been kind enough to come on the show, Imam Anjim Chaudhary, thank you for being on the show, sir.
00:00:20.000 Yes, sir.
00:00:21.000 Thank you for having me on.
00:00:23.000 No, we're glad to have you.
00:00:24.000 So, you were very quick, actually, in your response to do the show, which I was kind of surprised, considering I'm sure you know that I've been critical of Islam in the past.
00:00:34.000 What was your reasoning to just want to come on and discuss right away?
00:00:38.000 Are you just open to doing every program you can and getting the word out?
00:00:43.000 Actually, I hadn't heard of your show before I was contacted.
00:00:46.000 That may come as a surprise to you, but in general, I believe that...
00:00:50.000 It comes as no surprise to me.
00:00:55.000 I believe through debate and discussion we can reach the truth.
00:00:58.000 I mean, you know, there are many people who didn't agree with the prophets of God, you know, over the generations, and yet they changed their own lives.
00:01:07.000 Okay.
00:01:07.000 So, do you consider yourself a prophet of God?
00:01:11.000 Not at all, but I'm a follower of the prophets, but they are obviously our best examples.
00:01:16.000 So let me ask you this.
00:01:16.000 Okay.
00:01:17.000 I want to be fair.
00:01:20.000 Imam, Anjim, what do you prefer?
00:01:23.000 Amjim is good enough for me. 0.67
00:01:25.000 Amjim, okay, great.
00:01:26.000 So, of the over, you know, one billion Muslims in the world, how representative do you think your view of Islam is to be?
00:01:33.000 Would you consider it in line, relatively, with the mainstream thought in Arab Muslim countries?
00:01:41.000 Well, the problem that we face is that in the kind of one and a half billion Muslims that we have nowadays, they are divided into about 55 nations, and none of those nations Implement the whole of the Sharia. 0.94
00:01:53.000 Now, what that entails is that there is no education system of Islam nowadays in Muslim countries, and therefore the vast majority of the people are very secular, and they don't really practice, I suppose, quite similar to Christianity.
00:02:05.000 Right, so would you...
00:02:06.000 What I essentially say, I'm sorry, what I essentially say is don't judge me according to what the people say, judge the statements according to the Iran revelation, because that is surely the arbiter.
00:02:17.000 Sure.
00:02:18.000 So you would say, I don't want to misrepresent you, for example, I would say that there are a lot of people out there who claim to be Christian, but they're out doing drugs, partying, they're checking the Christian default box. 0.99
00:02:28.000 You would say that of many Muslims who don't really believe the teachings that you follow.
00:02:32.000 You would say they're secular Muslims, more or less.
00:02:35.000 Well, absolutely, yeah.
00:02:36.000 I mean, this is a problem that it's very easy to claim something, and Islam is a great religion, but not every single person doesn't understand it or practices it.
00:02:45.000 Well, let me ask you this.
00:02:46.000 Since you've got it up, who carries out Sharia in the world most closely to your beliefs?
00:02:53.000 What resembles your view, ideally, most closely right now?
00:02:56.000 Which country?
00:02:58.000 Well, I don't think any of them do, quite frankly, but I believe that what is the project In Syria and Iraq and places in Mali, Somalia, Afghanistan, etc., are doing quite well.
00:03:10.000 But of course, human beings make mistakes, and the best among them are those who ask forgiveness and change.
00:03:14.000 So Syria, Iraq, so ISIS, you think, is doing a bang-up job?
00:03:20.000 Well, I think that ISIS don't exist anymore in France.
00:03:23.000 I mean, to be fair, they dissolved in June 2014.
00:03:26.000 What you have today is a collection of different organizations and individuals and scholars who make up the administration.
00:03:33.000 And suddenly, you know, they've made mistakes.
00:03:35.000 But I think that internally, they're implementing the Sharia.
00:03:38.000 They're providing the basic needs for the people.
00:03:40.000 Yeah, many would consider genocide a mistake.
00:03:44.000 Let me get to the Paris attacks here.
00:03:46.000 You, I don't want to misrepresent you, didn't quite defend the Paris attacks, or maybe did you?
00:03:53.000 You justified them.
00:03:54.000 Why?
00:03:57.000 Actually, no, I didn't justify them.
00:03:58.000 What I did, I explained the mindset of people who would carry this out.
00:04:03.000 Okay, so can you condemn them then, giving you the chance to?
00:04:07.000 Well, I mean, if you just allow me to explain one thing, that insulting the honor of any prophet of God, whether that be Jesus or Moses or indeed Muhammad, carries capital punishment in Islam.
00:04:19.000 And what I was basically saying is that this is the job of the state.
00:04:23.000 Do you see that as a problem?
00:04:25.000 Let me ask you an actual question.
00:04:27.000 Do you see a problem with that?
00:04:29.000 Because let me tell you, do you notice there's no other religion in the world?
00:04:32.000 You can make fun of Jesus all you want.
00:04:35.000 I don't care.
00:04:37.000 Go live your life.
00:04:38.000 Fun dip, my producer here, is an agnostic atheist. 1.00
00:04:41.000 The only religion in the world is your version of Islam, which you claim to be the true version, that would bring death to someone simply for not accepting. 1.00
00:04:51.000 The prophet. 0.80
00:04:51.000 What kind of a god would treat people that way, not give them that choice, and face this religion, accept it, or death? 0.80
00:05:01.000 Well, I would make two points there.
00:05:03.000 First of all, that there are values which you will fight for and even die for.
00:05:07.000 I mean, obviously there is capital punishment in America.
00:05:10.000 You have the gas chamber, etc.
00:05:12.000 So there are things...
00:05:13.000 Not for drawing a picture.
00:05:15.000 Not for drawing a picture.
00:05:17.000 I'm coming on...
00:05:18.000 I'm coming on to that.
00:05:19.000 But what I would say to you is obviously there are different values which people consider a matter of life and death.
00:05:25.000 And for us, the sanctity of any prophet of God and the Quran is that.
00:05:29.000 And what I would say to you is that if you don't accept the inimitability of the Quran and the messengership of Muhammad, obviously you're not going to understand that. 0.95
00:05:36.000 But as a Muslim, we do understand that.
00:05:38.000 Well, and just like, obviously, you know, you don't understand freedom.
00:05:43.000 I guess you don't believe in freedom.
00:05:44.000 You'd be surprised.
00:05:45.000 I mean, I do understand.
00:05:47.000 Okay, so...
00:05:48.000 I do understand freedom, actually, because I was born in Britain.
00:05:52.000 I just turned 48 years old.
00:05:54.000 I'm a lawyer by profession, actually, and I teach comparative law, English and Sharia law.
00:05:58.000 So I think I understand freedom pretty well.
00:06:00.000 Do you believe in freedom of speech?
00:06:01.000 I believe there's no such thing as freedom of speech.
00:06:07.000 What we have is that Allah created for us.
00:06:10.000 There you go.
00:06:11.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.
00:06:15.000 It's not fair for you to say that, say I'm a lawyer, but you're a lawyer who doesn't believe in the freedom of speech, so we have a fundamental difference.
00:06:20.000 Let me ask you this.
00:06:21.000 How weak is your God that he can't handle an insult from someone like me?
00:06:27.000 Why would your God be offended by someone as minuscule as me drawing a picture of Muhammad? 0.97
00:06:33.000 You can see why the people who aren't Muslim, they go, wow, that's a pretty weak God. 1.00
00:06:39.000 Well, let me just come on to that in just one moment.
00:06:41.000 I was just about to say that obviously your speech is curtailed.
00:06:46.000 Now, either it's curtailed by divine law or it's curtailed by man-made law.
00:06:49.000 You obviously have incitement and hatred laws and sedition laws and anti-Semitism laws.
00:06:53.000 So we both agree that you can speak, but there are restrictions.
00:06:56.000 We both agree.
00:06:58.000 I don't believe in hate speech laws.
00:07:00.000 I don't believe in hate speech laws, period.
00:07:03.000 Yes, but I mean you agree that there should be some restriction to people speaking.
00:07:07.000 For example, I'm sure you would say that you can't shout fire in a crowded theater.
00:07:13.000 Well, you mean the kind of thing that you do where you call for the death of...
00:07:16.000 Yes, so the point is that we agree that there should be some restrictions on speech.
00:07:21.000 The question is to whom this property belongs.
00:07:23.000 It's a threat.
00:07:24.000 That's not free speech.
00:07:25.000 See, well, we'll fundamentally disagree on that.
00:07:27.000 There's no way we can come to terms because I don't even believe in hate speech laws.
00:07:30.000 You're talking to someone who...
00:07:31.000 At the very least, and by the way, I appreciate this about you.
00:07:34.000 You're honest and you're consistent.
00:07:36.000 I have to be honest and I have to be consistent.
00:07:38.000 There's one thing I would like to talk about since we haven't outright condemned the Paris attacks.
00:07:43.000 Let me do this.
00:07:44.000 Let me close that topic on this.
00:07:46.000 I've been very outspoken against Muhammad. 1.00
00:07:50.000 I have talked about why I believe...
00:07:52.000 Listen, I'm a Christian.
00:07:53.000 I believe him to be a false prophet, personally.
00:07:55.000 And I have spoken about him in a way that many Muslims would consider mocking or dishonoring. 0.99
00:08:00.000 Do I deserve to die?
00:08:03.000 Well, actually, I don't think there's any problem with someone disagreeing. 0.81
00:08:06.000 And indeed, the Christians in the time of the Prophet... 0.87
00:08:08.000 No, no, I've drawn pictures of Muhammad.
00:08:10.000 Many of them did not accept that.
00:08:11.000 that.
00:08:11.000 But there's a difference, if you just allow me to finish, there's a difference between disagreeing with something, not believing that he's the prophet of God, and deliberately insulting him or making caricatures which are, you know, in some ways.
00:08:22.000 I've done that. 0.97
00:08:26.000 Do I deserve to be killed? 0.93
00:08:28.000 Well, I don't know about your history, and I don't know about what you've done.
00:08:31.000 I've only heard about your show when I was invited onto it, so I'm afraid I can't really answer that question.
00:08:36.000 I dressed up as Muhammad and performed a Three Stooges routine with my two young wives, one of whom was actually nine, to mimic Aisha. 0.98
00:08:43.000 Do I deserve to die?
00:08:46.000 Well, you know, you would need to be counted in a sharia court. 0.94
00:08:49.000 The evidence would need to be presented.
00:08:51.000 I can't pass the verdict here on your show, but definitely in general, it does carry capital punishment.
00:08:58.000 Okay, so there's capital punishment.
00:08:58.000 Any pictures?
00:09:00.000 Drawing any pictures of Muhammad capital punishment.
00:09:02.000 There we go.
00:09:02.000 That was the answer.
00:09:03.000 Not necessarily, because the thing is there's a difference between...
00:09:07.000 Right.
00:09:08.000 Drawing something and assuming by the individual that he's doing something noteworthy or something respectable and not understanding that he cannot draw.
00:09:16.000 And obviously what this Charlie Hebdo did, I don't know if you saw any of the drawings, but they were extremely nasty and very hateful.
00:09:23.000 And I think that anyone would be offended if you're a Muslim, even a non-Muslim. 0.60
00:09:28.000 I would agree with you that they were nasty.
00:09:30.000 I wouldn't agree that everyone would be offended.
00:09:32.000 Someone, I mean, they did that, you know, what we call the P-Christ was a famous piece of art, and you know what Christians did? 1.00
00:09:39.000 Ah, we kind of don't like this, and they turned away from it.
00:09:43.000 Can I just make one other small point?
00:09:46.000 I mean, there is often this argument that, you know, because they're doing it to everyone...
00:09:51.000 And I don't think that is the case.
00:09:51.000 It's justifiable.
00:09:53.000 I mean, if someone's committed a crime with one person, it doesn't mean that because he's doing it with everyone, it becomes justifiable.
00:09:58.000 I think that we need to control our tongue.
00:10:00.000 We need to have respect for each other.
00:10:02.000 And ultimately, I think the good world will be a much more safer place if that were the case.
00:10:07.000 Oh, see, but see, there's that veiled threat at the end.
00:10:10.000 The world will be a much safer place.
00:10:11.000 I think we should be honest of each other.
00:10:15.000 Civil, sure, but I don't think that should have any effect on safety, whether someone makes fun of a prophet or not.
00:10:20.000 That's where I disagree.
00:10:21.000 Yeah, but if you know that other people have the sanctity of the prophet as a matter of life and death in their own beliefs, then obviously that is something that we must take into consideration.
00:10:32.000 Now, you may differ with that, but that is the situation with Muslims. 0.52
00:10:35.000 No, I agree. 0.84
00:10:36.000 The situation, as you've spoken before, is convert, convert, or die.
00:10:40.000 No, it's not.
00:10:41.000 You can become, you can become, look, I mean, you know, you may know in the heart of Europe for 800 years, the Jews, Muslims, and Christians went side by side.
00:10:50.000 It was never the case of forcing the Christians or Jews to become Muslim.
00:10:53.000 They were quite happy.
00:10:54.000 And in fact, it was the Christian hegemony under Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand that led the Jews to run to the Islamic State in Africa for protection. 0.50
00:11:00.000 Yeah.
00:11:01.000 Actually, it's funny enough, in the Middle East, there's one place where Muslims live freely and open to practice religion as they choose, and that's Israel, and that's a big irony of our time. 0.96
00:11:08.000 time.
00:11:08.000 Let me ask you this.
00:11:10.000 Because your houses are being bulldozed down and you're being tough out of your home.
00:11:14.000 There are millions of refugees because of the herge of the occupying Jews. 1.00
00:11:18.000 Let me ask you this.
00:11:19.000 You talk about them living in peace.
00:11:21.000 So, okay, let's take that premise.
00:11:24.000 If you talk about living in peace, me as a Christian living under Sharia, I wouldn't have to pay any kind of a tax or anything like that.
00:11:32.000 We would have the exact same rights as citizens.
00:11:34.000 We would be traded zero differently, just like in America, right?
00:11:38.000 Actually, you know, the difference is that Islam treats you according to belief.
00:11:41.000 So you would not have to pay zakat.
00:11:43.000 You would not have to pray five times.
00:11:45.000 You would not have to make a pilgrimage to Makkah.
00:11:47.000 And, you know, many of the things which are incumbent upon Muslims would not be incumbent upon Muslims. 0.95
00:11:51.000 You would never be asked to join the army to protect the citizens.
00:11:54.000 But I wouldn't have to pay the jizya tax.
00:11:56.000 You would have to pay the jizya.
00:11:59.000 The jizya, incidentally, is much less than the Muslims pay in terms of zakat.
00:12:02.000 You would be able to practice your religion in your church, in your homes.
00:12:05.000 And, you know, nobody's going to be spying in your own private places, but definitely the law of the land in the public arena would be Sharia. 0.85
00:12:12.000 Right. 0.94
00:12:13.000 And that law of the land would result in the killing of a lot of Christians or Jews who weren't willing to be... 1.00
00:12:18.000 No, no, it wouldn't.
00:12:18.000 I don't believe so, because, you know, if you look at the statements of the Prophet, even on his deathbed...
00:12:24.000 He said whoever harms a dhimmi, i.e.
00:12:26.000 a non-Muslim citizen, he said he harms me and I will be a plaintiff against him on the judgment.
00:12:30.000 He said whoever kills one, you know, without any justification, he will never smell the paradise.
00:12:35.000 So, you know, these are protected people under the sharia.
00:12:38.000 Now what poor people may do...
00:12:40.000 It's not a reflection necessarily of what the Divine Law says.
00:12:43.000 Okay, I have two questions for you.
00:12:45.000 Because I want to give you the chance to speak, but I know you're also rushed for time to prepare for your Friday prayers.
00:12:50.000 And I want to be respectful of that.
00:12:52.000 What about ISIS and the crucifixion of Christians?
00:12:54.000 Where does that fall?
00:12:56.000 There's nothing called crucifixion of Christians.
00:12:59.000 But what we do have, if you look in the Quran in chapter 5, verse 33...
00:13:03.000 What Allah said in the Quran, and I'm paraphrasing, is that those people who violate the public sanctity, in other words, for example, going around in gangs, raping, pillaging, etc., they have capital punishment.
00:13:14.000 And their punishment could be crucifixion, or it could be cutting their hand and leg from opposite directions.
00:13:19.000 This is what it says in the Quran.
00:13:20.000 You can read that for yourself.
00:13:21.000 Okay.
00:13:22.000 Now listen, I also want to actually defend something that you said.
00:13:22.000 That's fair.
00:13:26.000 You were on a talk show, and someone asked you about suicide bombing, which you said is not a term you really use, but using your body for Allah is the way that you view it, which I understand, according to your beliefs, is fair.
00:13:36.000 And they asked you about the 72 virgins, and you made the point that 72 is often misquoted, right?
00:13:42.000 It's taken out of context.
00:13:43.000 It really can mean countless virgins, and to not limit your mind to 72, that Allah could provide as many virgins as one wanted, right?
00:13:52.000 Actually, I believe that, forget about the virgins.
00:13:55.000 Allah can provide you eternal bliss in any shape, form or way that He pleases.
00:14:00.000 And the hereafter is very different to this life.
00:14:02.000 The women of paradise are not the same as the women in this life.
00:14:05.000 So I don't think we can meet that as similitude.
00:14:08.000 Well, okay.
00:14:09.000 People, obviously, you were discussing the context of virgins, and your words were countless virgins.
00:14:13.000 Those were your words.
00:14:14.000 What I meant to say is that, yes, there are narrations which talk about partners in heaven, but ultimately, what I say, as a Muslim, we believe that God can show you with ultimate blessings and things in the hereafter.
00:14:27.000 Is virgins being included there?
00:14:29.000 Well, everything is included.
00:14:31.000 Whatever you want in paradise, you can have.
00:14:33.000 You know, this is the beauty of obeying Allah in this life.
00:14:36.000 Well, let me ask you this, though. 0.84
00:14:37.000 Culturally, what is it that's so attractive about deflowering innocent young virgins? 0.95
00:14:44.000 Well, there's nothing at all.
00:14:45.000 That's why I say to you, it's important for you not to make this multitude or the analogy with this life.
00:14:49.000 Because it's been accepted.
00:14:51.000 Well, if you just allow me to finish, the wine of paradise is not the same as the wine in this life.
00:14:57.000 Even the people and the partners are not the same.
00:15:00.000 You will not be the same.
00:15:01.000 So, you know, I don't think that this is a really valid comparison.
00:15:04.000 Even the Prophet said, whatever you think about, it's different than hereafter. 0.52
00:15:09.000 So you would say that's just completely been taken out of context?
00:15:13.000 No virgins at all?
00:15:14.000 So there's no concept of virgins for people?
00:15:18.000 Well, there is a mention in the narrations of the Prophet that you will be granted many partners in the hereafter.
00:15:25.000 What I'm saying is don't make the comparison with this life.
00:15:28.000 And there are many other versions and hadith in the narrations of the Prophet which follow up many other things in paradise.
00:15:33.000 What about those women? 1.00
00:15:34.000 Do they have a say in it?
00:15:35.000 Or do they just show up crap Well, I don't think, as I say, if you're talking about paradise, you cannot make the comparison.
00:15:43.000 You know, and I could quote to you from your own Bible and Torah about things in paradise, but ultimately we don't make the comparison because, you know, this is a little bit...
00:15:50.000 Well, go ahead.
00:15:51.000 I would love to hear those quotes.
00:15:53.000 Where in the Bible is it promised virgins?
00:15:54.000 I don't have the Bible in front of me, but obviously there are promises of many things in the hereafter in the Torah and the Injil.
00:16:03.000 And we can go into that.
00:16:04.000 I can prepare that for you if you wish.
00:16:04.000 I don't know.
00:16:08.000 I understand where you're coming from, but nowhere in the Bible is the promised virgins.
00:16:08.000 Okay.
00:16:11.000 That's the big difference between Islam and the Bible, and that's why I would like you to point me toward those. 1.00
00:16:15.000 But I do understand the point that it's difficult to compare our physical world as three-dimensional beings to the hereafter.
00:16:21.000 I think that's a valid point.
00:16:22.000 Before we go, I've heard you speak about this.
00:16:25.000 What about...
00:16:26.000 Under Sharia law, beatings.
00:16:28.000 What about hitting one's wife? 0.81
00:16:30.000 What about the lashings against Christians?
00:16:33.000 Again, you've kind of wiggled around where you said Iraq and Syria are doing a good job, so obviously we see that kind of thing there.
00:16:39.000 Where do you line up on that?
00:16:41.000 Can you just condemn any kind of striking women at all and any kind of beating of Christians as unnecessary and uncivil?
00:16:48.000 Yes, I mean, there's nothing called beating Christians.
00:16:50.000 There's nothing even called beating your wife. 1.00
00:16:52.000 You know, the Prophet is the best example. 0.99
00:16:54.000 He never laid a finger on any of his wives.
00:16:57.000 He didn't beat his wife?
00:16:58.000 Having said that, he never beat any of his wives at all.
00:17:00.000 But having said that, you know, the Qur'an in chapter 4 of the Qur'an talks about a situation where if your wife is disobeying you, continuously not fulfilling your rights, then it says, first of all, separate the beds.
00:17:13.000 So that could be, obviously, one night.
00:17:15.000 It could be a week or even up to a year.
00:17:17.000 I mean, even that could be up to a year.
00:17:20.000 It could be a long time.
00:17:21.000 And then after that, it says discipline.
00:17:23.000 But the Prophet said, whoever you discipline, he said, avoid the face, the private area.
00:17:27.000 Do not leave any marks on the body.
00:17:28.000 There'll be nothing more than pushing or something like that.
00:17:31.000 But, you know, Islam avoids... 1.00
00:17:32.000 Hold on a second.
00:17:34.000 Listen, I do want to let you finish, but I have a problem with that.
00:17:38.000 I don't care whether you hit the face or not.
00:17:40.000 I've read the Quran, Hadith, and am I mistaken where it says he struck her causing her great pain?
00:17:46.000 Let's say that's pushing Aisha. 0.54
00:17:49.000 Let's just say it's pushing.
00:17:50.000 He never laid a finger on any of his wives.
00:17:50.000 No, no, no.
00:17:52.000 I'm reading from your hadith.
00:17:53.000 And the thing is, you see, Allah said in the Quran that he's the best example, but he never laid a finger on any of his wise.
00:17:59.000 And, you know, he's the best example for us.
00:18:01.000 In the Quran, so you don't use the hadith?
00:18:03.000 Because it does talk about it.
00:18:04.000 There's nothing we mention in the Quran or hadith.
00:18:07.000 I've been teaching sharia for 20 years.
00:18:08.000 Yes, there is.
00:18:09.000 I've never come across any narration like this.
00:18:10.000 Well, we've got the quote right up here on screen and verse, and the viewers can make their decision.
00:18:15.000 It's only those people who are enemies of the wise, probably like the Shia, who quote something like this, but it's not authentic.
00:18:21.000 It's not authentic, so you would have to throw out that entire part of the Hadith.
00:18:25.000 It's not in the Quran, and the Hadith, many of them have been fabricated, and there's nothing like that at all, authentically narrated here.
00:18:32.000 Okay, so it is there, but it's just something that you wouldn't use, and that's fair.
00:18:36.000 We could make up a lot of things, but the point is, I'm saying to you, it's not authentic.
00:18:39.000 I'm not making up anything.
00:18:40.000 We've got it up on the screen.
00:18:42.000 Well, no, I mean, as I say, I mean, you know, if you want to find something, you will always find some people who are enemies of the rise of the prophet, like the Shia, who will say things like this. 0.83
00:18:50.000 What about Quran 434?
00:18:53.000 Yes, this talks about what I was talking about earlier, about if your wife is disobedient, then first separate the beds. 0.99
00:19:00.000 What I'm trying to get at is Islam tries everything to avoid any confrontation. 1.00
00:19:05.000 You know, in this country, two women are killed by their husbands every week because of domestic violence.
00:19:10.000 If Sam does everything to avoid that, meaning first of all, separate the beds.
00:19:13.000 Cool down after one night.
00:19:15.000 Then after that, advise.
00:19:16.000 That could be a long time.
00:19:17.000 Then after that, even if there is discipline, then avoid as much as you can.
00:19:20.000 Don't leave any marks.
00:19:21.000 So, you know, this is avoiding domestic violence at all costs.
00:19:25.000 You know, the man is stronger than the woman. 1.00
00:19:26.000 We all know that.
00:19:27.000 So we need to avoid him doing something in anger.
00:19:29.000 And if Sam deals with that kind of natural disposition in a way which agrees with our nature.
00:19:34.000 Okay.
00:19:35.000 Listen, I can respect that that is your view, and I hope that you feel I've let you speak more than I think some of my conservative brethren talk show hosts, because I am interested in what you have to say.
00:19:45.000 And you know what?
00:19:45.000 Listen, I think it's enlightening.
00:19:47.000 I believe everyone should have a voice at the table.
00:19:49.000 And Imam Anjim, we hope to have you back.
00:19:52.000 I would sincerely love to have you back and continue these discussions.
00:19:55.000 Well, thank you for being very respectful, and I look forward to coming back onto your show.
00:19:59.000 Thank you very much, sir, and we hope to see you soon.
00:20:04.000 And listen, I will tell you this, just like you hope I got into Islam, I hope to see you come to the cross one day, but that's because I love all my human brethren.
00:20:10.000 I hope you can respect that.
00:20:11.000 Well, I invite you.
00:20:14.000 Oh, we lost him.
00:20:16.000 We lost him.