Louder with Crowder - May 18, 2025


Flashback: Busting the Jeffrey Epstein Suicide Myth


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Stephen Knieven Crowder will attempt to recreate the suicide of Jeffrey Epstein, a feat like nothing the world has ever seen before, and one that could only be attempted by the undisputed superstar of daredevils.

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00:00:01.000 All right, and we have the go-ahead, everyone.
00:00:03.000 It is go time.
00:00:05.000 Oh, okay.
00:00:06.000 Oh, and Mr. Craven appears to have collapsed.
00:00:08.000 How about that?
00:00:09.000 He is simulating having been choked up.
00:00:12.000 Well, this is it, folks.
00:00:16.000 The big event.
00:00:17.000 This evening, one man will attempt to recreate the suicide of noted pedophile Jeffrey Edward Epstein.
00:00:24.000 It will certainly be a feat like nothing the world has ever seen and could only be attempted by the undisputed superstar of Daredevils, Stephen Knieven Crowder.
00:00:33.000 Stephen, tell the folks at home what they can expect to see tonight.
00:00:37.000 Yeah, thanks, AudioWade.
00:00:38.000 I appreciate you doing a bang-up job.
00:00:40.000 First...
00:00:40.000 Let me be clear.
00:00:41.000 There are about one in a million details that we cannot go over or account for in this experiment.
00:00:47.000 But let me be the first to say, or let me say this first on the outset.
00:00:51.000 The number that we are trying to hit on that, was it, nutometer scale?
00:00:55.000 My engineer's not here with me right now.
00:00:56.000 It's 55 kilograms.
00:00:58.000 121 pounds of force.
00:01:00.000 55 kilograms, 121 pounds of force is what we're looking to hit to recreate a scenario in which Jeffrey Epstein's suicide is even plausible.
00:01:08.000 It's even remotely possible, and that's the low end.
00:01:11.000 Keep in mind the story that we've been told from the New York Times, Washington Post, is that Jeffrey Epstein knelt toward the floor with enough force that he broke several bones in his neck on a rope that he fashioned himself from orange bedsheets.
00:01:25.000 Some people thought the bedsheets were paper.
00:01:26.000 That's not true.
00:01:27.000 Apparently they were actually real bedsheets.
00:01:30.000 Keep in mind, too, Something that a lot of people may not know, that when administering death by hanging, the number to ensure death that has always been used historically is 1,000 to 1,250 foot-pounds of force.
00:01:44.000 Now, why aren't you using that number, Stephen?
00:01:47.000 I'm going to get to that in just a second.
00:01:49.000 And isn't there something about the hyoid bone?
00:01:53.000 Yeah, I'm glad that you brought that up.
00:01:55.000 Many in the media, they've tried to paint people who are even remotely skeptical of the Epstein suicide as conspiracy theorists, and they often point to the hyoid bone, claiming that Jeffrey Epstein fractured that bone.
00:02:06.000 It only requires 35 pounds of force to fracture, and of course that makes it seem as though it's very easy, very plausible, the most likely scenario that Jeffrey Epstein hung and killed himself.
00:02:17.000 I believe it's a red herring for several reasons.
00:02:19.000 Couldn't be less relevant to this, for one.
00:02:22.000 The measurement being cited that people are often using, this was in a laboratory.
00:02:27.000 Where they took a hyoid from a cadaver and put it into a vice, right?
00:02:30.000 That's not the same as a real-world scenario where you've got cartilage and tissue and neck fat, as I well know.
00:02:35.000 Then, number two, most importantly, Jeffrey Epstein had three fractures in his neck.
00:02:39.000 And you will see us trying to recreate that here in a second.
00:02:42.000 Three fractures, including thyroid cartilage, which is much more difficult to fracture than the hyoid bone.
00:02:47.000 So let me kind of paint a scenario.
00:02:48.000 If you get into a car wreck, right?
00:02:50.000 You get jostled around and you break your pinky, you break your wrist, but you also break your femur.
00:02:55.000 I can't just recreate a scenario where I break a pinky and say, well, that's good enough for me, call it a day.
00:02:59.000 We need to recreate a scenario in which the most severe fracture is accounted for.
00:03:03.000 And that is what we are trying to do this evening, mimicking the force that will be required to create all three fractures that were found in the suicide.
00:03:11.000 It's also important to note, only 8% Of victims, by the way.
00:03:15.000 Victims of hanging suicide are found with broken hyoid bones.
00:03:20.000 Keep in mind that these are suicides by hanging.
00:03:21.000 They typically aren't kneeling, right?
00:03:23.000 It's usually they're brooksing themselves like in Shawshank, knocking the stool out and hanging from a bean in the ceiling.
00:03:27.000 It's a dead hang.
00:03:27.000 I'm familiar.
00:03:28.000 It's a great film.
00:03:29.000 And by the way, very similar tonight.
00:03:31.000 We're going to be crawling through miles of s*** just to make this happen for you.
00:03:34.000 So please use the promo code and get your $20 off Mug Club so this will all be worth it.
00:03:38.000 Earn this.
00:03:39.000 Something else that we need to keep in mind as well.
00:03:42.000 8% have a fractured hyoid bone.
00:03:44.000 When you go to the statistics of people who have three fractures that we saw in Jeffrey Epstein's suicide, that number drops to 1 in 20. Only 1 in 20 from dead hang suicides result in these three fractures.
00:03:56.000 And how often is that kind of fracture found in homicides?
00:03:59.000 34%, yeah.
00:04:01.000 So one could argue that these kind of fractures are more likely to occur in a homicide than in a suicide.
00:04:06.000 Is that correct?
00:04:08.000 Yeah.
00:04:10.000 Yeah.
00:04:11.000 However, though, when we discussed this stunt with an engineer, as you well know, we've had engineers here helping with this project, wanting to be as fair-minded as possible, after reviewing multiple studies, he came to the conclusion that a real-world scenario...
00:04:22.000 Like we've created right here.
00:04:24.000 In that scenario, about 121 pounds or 55 kilograms are what would be required at minimum to result in the three fractures sustained by Mr. Epstein.
00:04:32.000 So we're aiming to achieve a far lower number than even necessary to ensure death by hanging because we want to be as fair-minded as possible and take the lowest number, the lowest barrier to entry, because we don't know how any of this is going to turn out.
00:04:44.000 So now before the big stunt, let's go to the tale of the tape.
00:04:50.000 Stephen Knieven has a distinct advantage in both height and weight, meaning that if Epstein wasn't able to produce the kind of force necessary to kill himself, Stephen may, in fact, be able to.
00:04:59.000 We will certainly see how this affects the outcome of tonight's event.
00:05:03.000 I do want to say, too, that the number on there is wrong in the tail of the tape.
00:05:06.000 It's 219 now.
00:05:07.000 I've put on some LBs, but it happens to the best of us.
00:05:11.000 Duly noted.
00:05:11.000 Please.
00:05:13.000 All right, so Mr. Knieven is approaching the set.
00:05:18.000 We do have trained paramedics standing by.
00:05:21.000 And again, that number, folks, that we are shooting for is 55 kilograms.
00:05:25.000 We will be measuring at the neck as well as the tension of the rope.
00:05:29.000 And it looks like he is being fitted with a heart monitor, getting that all set to go.
00:05:35.000 We have the replica, again, of the orange bed sheets that will be wrapped around Mr. Knieven's neck.
00:05:40.000 This, again, in line with exactly what the...
00:05:45.000 exactly what...
00:05:47.000 Mr. Epstein would have experienced.
00:05:49.000 We have the cell here, and the sheet is about to be placed around Mr. Knievin's neck.
00:05:55.000 But first, his pupils are being checked there.
00:05:58.000 All right.
00:05:59.000 And again, we'll be measuring for 55 kilograms.
00:06:03.000 55 kilograms.
00:06:04.000 We'll be testing at the neck and on the tension of the rope.
00:06:09.000 All right.
00:06:10.000 Waiting for the go-ahead from Mr. Knievin himself.
00:06:13.000 All set?
00:06:14.000 All right.
00:06:17.000 All right, and we have the go-ahead.
00:06:19.000 Everyone, it is go time.
00:06:21.000 Again, 55 kilograms is what we will be looking for on the rope and at the neck.
00:06:26.000 He is leaning.
00:06:27.000 We have 22 at the rope.
00:06:29.000 We have 28 on the neck.
00:06:32.000 22 on the rope.
00:06:35.000 A steady 22. We're getting the signal to stop.
00:06:40.000 We're getting the signal to stop.
00:06:43.000 Sorry, something went wrong.
00:06:44.000 What do we have on the rope?
00:06:46.000 22 on the rope.
00:06:47.000 Kilograms achieved. 0.80
00:06:48.000 We're good.
00:06:49.000 Are we able to achieve?
00:06:50.000 Okay.
00:06:51.000 So one thing I want to note, this is the most important measurement audio weight, but this is probably the least accurate device that we have.
00:07:01.000 So this is designed because the compression at the neck is going to be dispersed around the neck.
00:07:05.000 The number is going to be lower than this monitor right here directly on the cord.
00:07:10.000 So you'll notice that the number is significantly lower at the neck, significantly higher at the cord.
00:07:14.000 The real life number is probably between those two.
00:07:16.000 But even then, leaning, what, we got to 22 kilograms?
00:07:20.000 22 kilograms.
00:07:21.000 Okay.
00:07:21.000 I'm going to try this again.
00:07:24.000 And I think that I can actually, hold on one second, I think I can actually get this pretty close.
00:07:30.000 In the spirit of being fair-minded, I think I can get this pretty close.
00:07:34.000 I think I can do.
00:07:34.000 Okay.
00:07:35.000 All right, Mr. Evans appears to be ready.
00:07:37.000 Waiting for the signal from...
00:07:40.000 All right, and we have the signal all set to go.
00:07:42.000 We have Mr. Knieven leaning again.
00:07:44.000 Again, this is go time, putting his foot against the bed.
00:07:48.000 He's pushing.
00:07:49.000 We have 16.1 at the neck, 37 at the neck, 38 on the rope, 38 on the rope, 23 as a high on the neck.
00:07:58.000 We have, again, we are shooting for 55 kilograms.
00:08:00.000 We are not even close.
00:08:02.000 41 is the peak on the rope.
00:08:06.000 Again, the signal is a stop.
00:08:08.000 41 on the rope, what do we have on the neck?
00:08:10.000 23 was the high on the neck.
00:08:12.000 Okay, see the high?
00:08:14.000 It's 23 kilograms on the neck, 43 on the rope, which is the best that we've had.
00:08:19.000 I don't know if you guys could see, I was pressing up against the bed.
00:08:22.000 Of course, I probably have more friction on a plywood panel here than he would have in a prison.
00:08:29.000 We got pretty close.
00:08:32.000 I want to explore every option here.
00:08:34.000 And do everything I can to see if we can actually hit this number.
00:08:37.000 And I actually, I do think that I could probably hit this number if I really push it.
00:08:42.000 I just need a little bit of time to catch my breath.
00:08:46.000 That was 44?
00:08:48.000 44 and 22 on the rope.
00:08:49.000 Okay.
00:08:50.000 22 on the neck.
00:08:51.000 22 on the neck.
00:08:52.000 All right.
00:08:52.000 So on the neck, that's not even close.
00:08:54.000 No, not even close.
00:08:54.000 But the rope was close.
00:08:55.000 The rope was close.
00:08:56.000 So the real number is probably somewhere in the 30s.
00:08:58.000 Yes.
00:08:59.000 Okay.
00:08:59.000 Which means you're still alive.
00:09:01.000 All right.
00:09:02.000 We have everything, the safety mechanisms that we need.
00:09:05.000 Yes, we do.
00:09:06.000 O2?
00:09:07.000 Perfect.
00:09:07.000 Okay.
00:09:07.000 Good.
00:09:08.000 All right.
00:09:09.000 All right.
00:09:09.000 Let's get the meter set.
00:09:12.000 Let me know when we're good.
00:09:13.000 I'm going to go for one last try.
00:09:14.000 All clear.
00:09:15.000 All set.
00:09:15.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Knieven is going for one last try.
00:09:19.000 We are all set to go, and we have the signal.
00:09:23.000 As Mr. Knieven leans, we can, again, we are looking for 55 kilograms.
00:09:27.000 We have 20, 25 on the rope.
00:09:32.000 Okay.
00:09:32.000 Oh, and Mr. Creven appears to have collapsed.
00:09:35.000 How about that?
00:09:35.000 He is simulating having been choked out.
00:09:37.000 What if I hang here?
00:09:39.000 20, 25. What if I go?
00:09:43.000 Hold on.
00:09:43.000 You're going to look at this.
00:09:46.000 Nope, nope.
00:09:47.000 Okay, Gerald, Gerald, you have to wheelbarrow me.
00:09:50.000 Okay, okay.
00:09:50.000 You have to wheelbarrow me.
00:09:51.000 Mr. Creven has to be requesting a wheelbarrow move.
00:09:56.000 55!
00:09:59.000 56!
00:10:00.000 56!
00:10:01.000 We achieved 56 on the neck and 58 on the road.
00:10:04.000 You're out!
00:10:07.000 Mr. Crowder is rolling.
00:10:08.000 Mr. Crowder is being addressed by the men.
00:10:17.000 Again, the high on that was 62, which is far beyond what is necessary to fracture the neck cartilage.
00:10:29.000 58 on the neck.
00:10:33.000 Mr. Crowder again has collapsed.
00:10:38.000 He appears to be okay.
00:10:40.000 Mr. Crowder appears to be okay.
00:10:43.000 He is requesting to be checked in the pupils.
00:10:47.000 62.9 on the rope.
00:10:50.000 My goodness, we are testing the limits here.
00:10:54.000 Mr. Kinneman is approaching now.
00:10:55.000 Okay, hold on.
00:10:56.000 Audio wait.
00:11:01.000 I don't think I've ever felt so alive.
00:11:06.000 I have felt more alive, but this, uh, I mean, it's painful.
00:11:10.000 Uh, painful, but I don't think I was suicided.
00:11:13.000 Mr. Kinneman, there appears to have been a lot of commotion over there.
00:11:16.000 What do you think went wrong?
00:11:17.000 Hold on, let me fix my cape.
00:11:17.000 Please, please.
00:11:19.000 Okay.
00:11:19.000 What were you asking?
00:11:20.000 Hold on, let me get this off.
00:11:22.000 Someone take my helmet. 0.75
00:11:23.000 Thank you.
00:11:24.000 Yes, there appears to have been a lot of commotion.
00:11:26.000 What do you think went wrong?
00:11:30.000 Good question.
00:11:30.000 I'm still a little fuzzy.
00:11:33.000 I think a better question is what went right.
00:11:35.000 It seemed like everything kind of went wrong there.
00:11:38.000 The meter was maladjusted to pounds initially, and that's what we were getting.
00:11:42.000 I thought there was too much of a discrepancy.
00:11:44.000 We were kind of expecting it to be not as heavy on the neck because, of course, there wouldn't be as much in the compression heavier on the cord.
00:11:51.000 I heard those first numbers.
00:11:52.000 Out there, I panicked.
00:11:53.000 I thought maybe we had a calibration wrong.
00:11:54.000 It just turns out that one of them reset to pounds.
00:11:57.000 So that went wrong.
00:12:00.000 And I've had to question some life decisions that have led me to this point.
00:12:03.000 Audio, Wade.
00:12:04.000 Well, Mr. Keneven, the viewers have to know, do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein could have killed himself?
00:12:11.000 Oh, boy, that's a loaded question.
00:12:18.000 Well, I'll say this.
00:12:20.000 For everyone watching, what we really set out to achieve tonight was to hopefully show you a real-world scenario where what we've been told about the Jeffrey Epstein death doesn't seem to have been entirely accurate.
00:12:32.000 We didn't even talk about the hyoid bone, but we passed that really easily.
00:12:35.000 Could have done that without the neck brace.
00:12:37.000 That's not the number that people should be concerned about.
00:12:39.000 What we set out to prove was that people who are skeptical at all doesn't mean that you're a crazy conspiracy theorist.
00:12:46.000 I think your criticisms are valid.
00:12:47.000 And we wanted to...
00:12:49.000 Put on a show, hopefully give you the ability to draw your own conclusions and give you one hell of a discount, which we have offered tonight with the promo code Epstein at ladderwithcredit.com slash mugclub.
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00:13:06.000 I'm really just buying time because I've had to think it through.
00:13:09.000 I will say this.
00:13:10.000 I will say this.
00:13:10.000 In the spirit of trying to be fair and as objective as possible, if Jeffrey Epstein Had been able to fashion a rope from bedsheets, which takes approximately 9 to 15 minutes going completely unnoticed in his cell.
00:13:30.000 And if he were able to achieve the exact right angle and have somebody wheelbarrow him in his cell, potentially a cellmate.
00:13:41.000 And if he were able to do that and snap his neck before he passes out, as that only takes about three to five seconds, as we know, considering the tension, and all the guards fell asleep, I think it could be possible.
00:13:55.000 It could be possible.
00:13:56.000 If all of those conditions are met, and those conditions would need to be met, I was trying with everything I had by myself.
00:14:03.000 I wasn't able to hit that number.
00:14:04.000 I do think that, in being objective, it is a...
00:14:09.000 It is a possibility as to whether it's the most likely scenario people will have to decide for themselves.
00:14:19.000 Well, there you have it, folks.
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