On today's show, we discuss the latest in the Epstein scandal and the reaction from the FBI Director, Director Bongino and the Justice Department. We also have a special guest on the show to talk about the new charges against Pam Bondi and her possible role in the scandal.
00:00:14.000I hope she knew and took advantage of that.
00:00:16.000But at this point, I guess it does come down to, okay, what sort of carrot do you think is okay to dangle if it puts people away and if it prevents this ring, if it still exists from continuing?
00:00:30.000Yeah, because they're still out there.
00:00:32.000Probably still molesting children if that's what all the names were doing that she was talking about.
00:00:36.000So in my book, I'm like, listen, I know it's an evil.
00:00:39.000I would rather break up the ring than just have this one person off the streets because those other people out there that are buying it, the demand is still there and we know it's going to happen again.
00:00:46.000It's just going to be somebody else doing their bidding.
00:01:14.000You know, Dan Bongino, of course, who was a longtime friend to Rumble there at the FBI, he said on X, during my tenure here as a deputy director of the FBI, I have repeatedly relayed to you the things that are happening.
00:01:26.000Or sorry, relayed to you that things are happening.
00:01:32.000That might not be immediately visible, but they are happening.
00:01:34.000What I have learned in the course of our properly predicated and necessary investigations into these aforementioned matters has shocked me down to my core.
00:02:18.000Or I think that with this administration, probably the most disappointing aspect as far as what we expected or maybe promises that have not been delivered upon would be the intelligence community.
00:02:31.000Yeah, I think, I mean, I hold Cash a little bit.
00:02:35.000I hold him to account a little bit more because he went out there and really went after it before and all the podcasts and you got to release it.
00:02:41.000It's got to be one of the first things you do.
00:02:42.000You got to turn this place into a museum.
00:03:02.000I would prefer not to hear from those guys at all until it's somebody getting put in jail or some system being revealed that there's some kind of plan or scheme that's going on being revealed and stopped.
00:03:12.000Like that's what I want to hear from the FBI on results.
00:04:03.000Well, these are also people who don't, you know, they didn't spend any time, for example, with Andrew Breitbart.
00:04:08.000If they were just journalists, which they're not, if they were just talking heads, which they're not at this point, they still aren't good at it.
00:04:14.000They don't understand how to tease, how to put some information out there so that people refute it and then immediately follow up.
00:04:21.000We know how to release something where they go, oh, whether it's Nashville, whether it's the DOJ story, JV Armor, they go, oh, actually, well, this can, and they try and discount it.
00:04:30.000Instead, they go out, they overpromise, and they have nothing because they haven't even read their own folders.
00:04:35.000It just seems like playing house a little bit.
00:04:37.000And I know I'm not putting this all on Dan Bongino at all because he's deputy director, but Cash Patel, a lot more stark than Dan Bongino as far as what he said before versus what he said after.
00:04:48.000Pam Bondi, you guys know where I line up on Pam Bondi, and you can go back to her confirmation to see where I line up on Pam Bondi.
00:05:19.000Like, they would have had it in 2016-ish.
00:05:21.000They would have had it in 2020 when he was running again.
00:05:23.000Like, if they would have had it in 2024 to be able to get that information out, like, if it was existing and somebody had it, they could have released it at any time.
00:05:32.000With Pan Bondi, you never go full Candace Owens.
00:07:59.000What people have lamented is the fact that you're supposed to be in pursuit of criminals.
00:08:04.000However, we're seeing folks that, according to the elected officials, Karen Bass, the mayor of Los Angeles and others, you have an abundance of citizens in the city that are employed, that pay their taxes, that are law-abiding citizens are not bothering anybody.
00:08:22.000Yet they're the ones being detained per se.
00:08:44.000The facts, which much of the media isn't covering, you know, I talked to the press yesterday in front of the White House, and this came up, because I said I'm sick and tired of reading the stories that ICE is arresting.
00:08:54.000They're not arresting mostly criminals, they're arresting mostly non-criminals, and that we're detaining our detention is mostly non-criminals.
00:09:00.000I read one story that says, you know, how dare ICE?
00:09:03.000The facts are that less than 1% of illegal aliens are deported from this country.
00:09:25.000I bet you what he's going to say, and I was going to say, I guess I can do it at this point while they find the real one, is these people are here illegally, which he already did say.
00:09:32.000They're saying, okay, less than 1%, which is inaccurate.
00:09:35.000But they're also not taking into account the fact that these people are here as a result of open borders and this apology.
00:09:41.000This policy, sorry, encourages, and the apologists for this policy encourages the criminal enterprises.
00:09:48.000That's where he talked about on this show, that he saw a boy who was baked alive in the back of a trailer, of a truck, the rape trees with panties that are put up there as trophies from these cartels and these coyotes.
00:09:59.000That as long as this goes on and people think they can come here and stay here consequence-free, they will take that risk.
00:10:05.000And that risk that they take, it drives them into the arms of a criminal underworld that is violent and pervasive.
00:10:13.000And there's nothing compassionate or empathetic about that.
00:10:17.000I would imagine that's probably where he's going to take it.
00:10:20.000But he may also talk about how they cost taxpayer dollars, how they've been given the opportunity to self-deport and come through legally, even with $1,000 as far as a stipend or a voucher for them to travel back.
00:10:34.000And if they don't, they are now here of their own volition.
00:10:37.000They are breaking the law and they are staying here and it is time for them to go.
00:10:40.000I mean, there's a multitude of answers that he can give.
00:10:43.000But Stephen A. Smith is so dumb that he's just like, you know what I see as popular now is politics.
00:10:48.000So I'm going to get into that even though I do not know a whole...
00:10:56.000And I don't know about that, but I'm going to do a real retarded podcast.
00:11:01.000I've got some Stephen A. Smith fatigue.
00:11:24.000The facts, which much of the media isn't covering.
00:11:27.000You know, I talked to the press yesterday in front of the White House, and this came up because I said I'm sick and tired of reading the stories that ICE is arresting.
00:11:35.000They're not arresting mostly criminals, they're arresting mostly non-criminals, and that we're detaining, our detention is mostly non-criminals.
00:14:33.000But I've said from day one, Stephen, I said, we'll prioritize public safety threats and national security threats.
00:14:40.000But if you're in the country illegally, you're not off the table.
00:14:42.000If we find you, especially in sanctuary cities where they force us, as we just discussed, to go into the neighborhood and find somebody they've released, when we find that person, many times they're with others, either at a work site or in the community.
00:14:56.000If they're in the country legally, we're not going to tell ICE, ignore the oath you took, ignore the law you're required to enforce, walk away from them.
00:15:06.000And that's why I don't think you hear your name when people are denigrating what's prop, what, what, what's transpiring in this nation in terms of you, This is the thing.
00:15:17.000He always kisses the ass like, I don't think people are complaining about Tom Holman.
00:15:21.000That's exactly who they're complaining about.
00:15:24.000You're just not good and you're not honest as a host.
00:15:26.000So now he's like, I'll give you a pass, but I'm going to talk about some person, nameless, faceless, nebulous victim who people do not like.
00:15:35.000He's just not capable of having an intelligent conversation because he's Stephen A. Smith.
00:15:43.000I wish you would have expanded on it, but the fact that they have to go into the neighborhoods, into workplaces, it's not because they want to go there.
00:16:43.000Of course, you're more likely to be apprehended if you're in a sanctuary city that has become a haven for criminal gangs, which, by the way, hurts legal immigrants in those areas because they can't reach out to the authorities due to blowback, due to threats to their family.
00:16:55.000Let's continue and hear what Stephen A. Smith says because he's an idiot.
00:16:59.000What's transpiring in this nation in terms of deportation issues and what have you because however, when you look at folks on the campaign, whether it was the left or the right, you heard folks on the right as Trump was pursuing or regaining the presidency, where they were talking about how the criminals have got to go.
00:17:18.000We're going to target them and we're going to go after them.
00:17:22.000He can't steel man even his opponent's arguments because he doesn't know them.
00:17:26.000People on the Trump side were not saying only criminals.
00:17:31.00015 to 20 million, let's start with them.
00:17:33.000We got to the point where we were going, I want every single person who is not here legally to be deported and to have to go through the process.
00:17:39.000Let's, of course, prioritize national security threats and criminals.
00:17:43.000But he's going, people, the Trump supporters, did not want to deport the abuela.
00:18:06.000But let's hear Stephen A. Smith try and present himself as though he has any intellectual capacity, as he, I wouldn't even say straw man, because he's not doing it knowingly.
00:18:21.000You say that I get where you're coming from.
00:18:22.000The difference is, is that the impression was given, everything was in an effort to get the worst of the worst out of the country.
00:18:29.000And what folks on the left and folks that are just average American citizens are pointing out is that they don't see that enough of that is happening that quote-unquote innocent civilians in the world.
00:18:41.000Hold your wrong NBC didn't talk about those kids that were rescued in Florida.
00:19:28.000There is some benefit where he is saying the question That the left, he is expressing the concern that the left has and giving Tom Holman his platform to dispel that, to argue it.
00:20:17.000You see them kind of trying to pull back.
00:20:19.000And Stephen A. Smith is aware where the ball is going and that he's losing.
00:20:22.000It's like, oh, we got to jump on this.
00:20:24.000But, you know, everyone has blind spots.
00:20:26.000However, these people are coming in from that corporate media background, or frankly, just a liberal background, a left-leaning background, where they've never actually learned their opponent's position or arguments.
00:20:35.000And it's really easy to do that when you just say, oh, opponent's fascist Hitler.
00:20:38.000I bet you they wear American Eagle jeans, right?
00:26:24.000You also notice when you go to these places, like, the women are all, you know, like, pretty, dressed up as a queen, and the guys are just like, it's like a guy who they saw in a mall with a Pantera t-shirt.
00:31:06.000I've definitely not been finding my words today.
00:31:09.000You know, like you're in the middle of a sentence and I know that I'm trying to describe something and then I get to it and I'm like, he doesn't support.
00:31:17.000It's the best that I could do, you know, in most of those situations.
00:31:19.000I'm like, ah, he's like the biggest supporter.
00:31:43.000But when something is absolutely good, like verifiably good for the United States, so much so that the EU and other commentators and people over there are like, ah, it was kind of a tough deal.
00:31:55.000And the EU doesn't really get anything out of it.
00:31:58.000You have to understand that it's time to kind of go, hey, good job.
00:32:03.000Good job getting a deal that we all said you couldn't get.
00:32:05.000And that if you got it, it was going to end up causing inflation.
00:32:07.000None of these other deals have caused inflation.
00:33:09.000Obviously, wars don't always because we've got Vietnam, which ultimately divides a lot of people.
00:33:14.0009-11, the moon landing, big events in our country, both good and bad, bring us together, make us very proud to be American, or it makes us link arms and kind of really lean into our identity as Americans, not Texans and Californians and New Yorkers or Italians and Irish and Anglo-Saxons or anything else, but Americans.
00:33:33.000And getting good trade deals, having a good economy, making sure that the world is respecting trade with the United States, that's a good thing.
00:33:40.000Now, maybe it's not to the level of some of those other things, but shouldn't it be good enough to say, hey, you know what?
00:33:45.000Donald Trump got a pretty good deal from people who said they didn't want to give him a deal.
00:33:48.000People that he actually went and talked a lot of crap about initially.
00:33:51.000Europe and Canada, those were the two places that I think he spent the most time dogging.
00:35:23.000Average family of four would have in the week, you know, just...
00:35:30.000Have to understand, and maybe the only way to do it is just, you know, just fucking destroy your brain with vodka.
00:35:36.000Just stuff that the average family of four would have.
00:35:38.000After coming out of that store and just, you know, buying 30 bottles of vodka, just stuff that the average family of four would have over the course of a week and the price, the cheap price, I really think to myself, Crimea should be returned to Ukraine.
00:35:54.000Ukraine should even get some extra territory, maybe the Rostov region, maybe Kursk region.
00:35:58.000So really, I think anybody with a right mind would think, okay, Ukraine should be able to take half of Russia because very good supermarkets here, very good supermarkets in the heart of Kiev.
00:36:26.000And I understand that you're, you know, you're in Russia doing this interview, and there are certain things maybe you don't want to ask so that you don't end up never leaving Russia again.
00:36:35.000There's some difficulties that potentially you could have.
00:36:37.000But then to go into do these propaganda videos afterwards about the train station and how it, and literally he's referenced that in several other interviews about how it's nicer in Russia than it is in Washington, D.C. And I think we even talked about it for a second on the show.
00:36:52.000And it's like, well, yeah, typically when you have a propaganda city, when you have propaganda zones for people, the travelers internationally to come in, and yeah, you're going to see a lot of nice stuff.
00:37:00.000Pyongyang has some pretty nice places too, I hear, right?
00:37:06.000That's what people had a huge problem with.
00:37:08.000He fell for the propaganda and did, it's almost like to get the interview, they said you have to do these propaganda pieces to put out to make Russia look good.
00:37:19.000Have we been making the argument that Russians can't get bread?
00:37:22.000That they don't have supermarkets, that they don't have access to food, that they don't have train stations, that some may be good, some may be bad?
00:37:31.000We're not making that argument about them now.
00:37:33.000Why is that the thing that he chose to do?
00:37:35.000And so he lost a lot of credibility, rightfully so.
00:37:37.000Also on the claims of, I know it's a fact on so many things, like that certain things are happening and certain people are connected to certain agencies around the world.
00:37:46.000When he doesn't have any facts that he presents, there's no link in the description.
00:37:49.000Like, you know, it seems possible to do.
00:37:51.000I don't know if anybody's actually done it, but link in the description for all your sources would be a great first step for most other people.
00:37:56.000Anyway, sorry, that just kind of irritates me.
00:38:45.000I mean, I feel like if, you know, an asteroid missed the Earth, but like came close enough to make people think about it, he'd put a post out.
00:39:03.000I don't know if you saw, but the New York Post reported that some scientists believe that an asteroid headed towards us, towards Earth, could have signs of intelligent life.
00:41:25.000They would attack down from the angle of the sun.
00:41:28.000So if the pilot looked up, he would be looking into the sun.
00:41:30.000And so they would develop techniques early on just to put their thumb up so they could see if typically it was Japanese fighters that would be doing it.
00:42:13.000Crickets will kill the economy eventually because they'll just eat all of our food.
00:42:16.000But nonetheless, yeah, the egg thing went away because so quickly, this is what Stephen was pointing out with the left is that there are these blips.
00:42:23.000And if you catch a blip at the right moment, right?
00:42:26.000So like a shock to the market or something happens and you just put the price increase out there, you can make it seem like the economic policies of an administration are having an impact that they're not having.
00:42:39.000You could do it the other way too, right?
00:42:40.000Stuff could naturally go down or something completely unrelated to your policies happens in the world and all of a sudden the price of gas goes down.
00:42:47.000You could say, well, see, this is me doing a great job.
00:42:50.000But you get to kind of take the wins as a president and say, hey, look, I've done things that you said would actually harm the economy.
00:45:38.000And they're now going, Well, this guy shouldn't be this rich, he could have ended world hunger, he could have done this, he could have solved homelessness.
00:46:24.000But I guarantee you, he would, tomorrow, I think, based on his statements, I shouldn't say guarantee, but based on his statements, it seems like he was genuinely considering it, like if it would really solve the problem.
00:46:34.000Now, if it's just going to give people a meal for a year, and that's a good thing, that's a noble thing, but it isn't going to solve the problem.
00:46:39.000Guys like that tend to think on the lines of, hey, I'm not just trying to alleviate suffering today.
00:46:43.000I'm trying to rid the world of that suffering.
00:46:46.000And there are plenty of things that these guys do to help the problems of today, but that wasn't the claim that was being made.
00:46:52.000The claim was it's going to end world hunger, period.
00:46:55.000What's the judge who survived abortion blocks Trump's Planned Parenthood?
00:47:19.000So I don't think there's enough revenue from tariffs and taxes.
00:47:22.000It's one of those things where if you, let's say that we shifted tomorrow to a tariffs and value-added tax or something like that, you know, an income tax would come in later.
00:47:29.000Oh, we're just going to do 2% for rich people.
00:47:31.000Oh, we're going to do 10% for this because we need to do that.
00:47:33.000They're always going to find a way to spend your money.
00:47:35.000They're always going to want to tax you for it.
00:47:36.000I don't know how to solve that problem.
00:47:38.000And I don't think that we raise enough revenue from tariffs or the consistent revenue either because a lot of things can change and that money can fluctuate greatly.
00:47:46.000I'm sure taxes can too to some degree, but still, I don't know.
00:48:30.000And as I was walking in, I saw some of our employees and one of them, Nick, I saw coming kind of out of the arcade for kids, which makes sense.
00:52:26.000So it wasn't like a terrible job, but my dad was foundations expert, you know, like foundations for houses.
00:52:31.000And he would actually be an expert witness, but he would have to dig under the house and actually measure the foundation and take photos because there's supposed to be a certain width and a certain depth.
00:52:41.000And most of the time they skimp on that stuff and everybody knows it.
00:52:49.000But I worked with my dad all growing up.
00:52:51.000I like roofed houses in the summertime.
00:52:53.000And like, I've done just about everything you can do to a house.
00:52:56.000And they all had no air conditioning and no power typically because they were HUD homes that were in the middle of being redone and covering pools.
00:53:01.000Like it's just hard, hard labor to do that.
00:53:51.000Cash seems a little bit more of a wild card for me.
00:53:54.000But maybe, maybe he does have hope that he can get some stuff done that is really impactful.
00:53:58.000And look, sometimes I will admit, this whole Epstein thing has really looked bad.
00:54:03.000It's been something that is not necessarily Dan's fault, though his comments about Epstein killing himself probably didn't do him any favors, especially when he expressed a lot of concern about how accurate those reports were prior to going in and being the deputy director.
00:54:18.000And I just don't think that there was any benefit for those guys going out and doing the Fox interview.
00:54:22.000They got to get off that kind of idea of reaching out to the masses.
00:54:26.000It may convince some people that they're really telling the truth, but most people, it's going to be like, hey, you said something otherwise.
00:54:59.000They've got to make some big, big moves in changing the structure of the FBI so that the American people start trusting in some of their institutions just a little bit.
00:55:08.000We don't have to fully trust in them, but we need to be able to trust just a little bit.
00:55:11.000And I think that's one of the reasons that you're seeing the Epstein case really stay top of mind with some people.
00:55:31.000And I hope at least some of those people out of the hundred that Ghillain Maxwell told the Justice Department about actually get put in jail because that's what we need to see to make sure that nobody else is getting harmed by these assholes on the streets.