Louder with Crowder - June 24, 2015


#Gamergate's Sargon of Akkad Graces LwC | Louder With Crowder


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On this episode of Restorally Uncensored, we are joined by Sargon of akkad, host of the popular YouTube channel "Sargon of Akkad" where he discusses the rise of the social justice warrior movement known as "Gadgetgate" and its impact on the gaming community.

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00:00:00.000 Before you watch this video, there is an extended three-hour version over at Sargon of Akkad's channel.
00:00:07.000 You can click it and go there after watching this.
00:00:10.000 This was not aired terrestrially.
00:00:10.000 Uncensored.
00:00:12.000 You're welcome, America and UK. Jared comes and smacks me when I'm not looking, which is what guys do.
00:00:18.000 I smack him back.
00:00:19.000 If my wife does it, I never would. 1.00
00:00:21.000 That is sexism. 1.00
00:00:22.000 Now, there is negative sexism.
00:00:24.000 And if you were a good feminist, you'd – So glad to have this next guest. 1.00
00:00:31.000 For those of you listening to Restorally on Wham or any of our wonderful affiliates, we will have a bonus extended uncensored cut online exclusively at ladderwithcrowder.com.
00:00:40.000 This gentleman, he hails from the UK.
00:00:42.000 And I've noticed a really large contingency of people sort of not becoming more conservative but becoming more open to pro-freedom ideas.
00:00:51.000 Immensely popular.
00:00:52.000 You can find them on YouTube.
00:00:53.000 Sargon of Akkad.
00:00:55.000 Did I get that right, sir?
00:00:56.000 Pretty much, yeah.
00:00:57.000 Okay, what's the much, pretty much part that I got wrong?
00:00:57.000 Pretty much.
00:01:00.000 Well, I think it depends on where you come from and how you pronounce it.
00:01:05.000 I mean, it's the name of an ancient Mesopotamian emperor.
00:01:08.000 Right.
00:01:09.000 Transliterated into modern English.
00:01:11.000 I mean, the name is actually Sharukinu of...
00:01:14.000 A KDU or something.
00:01:16.000 So Sargon of Akkad is close enough.
00:01:18.000 Alright, there we go.
00:01:19.000 Well, I'm glad to have you on the program.
00:01:22.000 You came to us through Milo Yiannopoulos, who people really liked.
00:01:26.000 And, you know, it's funny, like you said, you didn't really expect, I guess, to be on sort of this terrestrially syndicated show, and I never really expected to be kind of I like the use of the word notoriety.
00:01:55.000 It is.
00:01:55.000 It is.
00:01:56.000 I was a little worried in calling you.
00:01:58.000 I mean, we've called Imam Shoudhury and I was more nervous about you. 0.80
00:02:02.000 Jesus, that's worrying.
00:02:04.000 Yeah, I've been doing my YouTube channel for about, probably about a year before GamerGate, and I had about 20,000 subscribers.
00:02:15.000 And since then, I'm now on about 130,000 or so.
00:02:19.000 And that's been about nine months.
00:02:21.000 So it's probably really helped me.
00:02:24.000 Yeah.
00:02:24.000 So that wasn't the reason I got into it.
00:02:26.000 No, I mean, it's pretty drastic.
00:02:28.000 Now, I will say this.
00:02:29.000 Obviously, if we go to your channel now, we've talked about Gamergate.
00:02:31.000 I don't want to get too far off into the weeds and the technicality.
00:02:35.000 A lot of people won't understand it.
00:02:36.000 But why do you think that has been such a big driver?
00:02:41.000 Why do you think that's become so important?
00:02:42.000 Because a huge portion of your content now is either centered around Gamergate or the social justice warrior sort of topic.
00:02:49.000 I think initially, I mean, I've always been...
00:02:53.000 The main reason that I got into doing my YouTube channel in the first place is because I've become very, very concerned with what I see as major violations of the principles of classical liberalism.
00:03:05.000 I find it very, very disturbing, some of the Some of the bizarre attitudes I've heard coming out of the press, coming out of the gaming press, the mainstream press.
00:03:16.000 The prevailing attitudes are worrying.
00:03:20.000 They really disturb me.
00:03:22.000 There seems to be this remarkable...
00:03:25.000 There are a remarkable amount of people who simply don't see bias as a bad thing. 0.61
00:03:30.000 They think objectivity is silly.
00:03:32.000 They think that collusion for the greater cause of extreme progressivism is just fine.
00:03:37.000 They think that the presumption of guilt is acceptable in certain conditions.
00:03:41.000 They think all kinds of, frankly, insane things that I can't countenance.
00:03:47.000 And Gamergate is kind of a result of all of these things.
00:03:52.000 These people don't seem to have any scruples.
00:03:53.000 So they seem to have no problem with colluding and attacking their audience to promote their agenda and being corrupt, openly corrupt.
00:04:04.000 These people left a massive paper trail across Twitter of all places because they thought that they were untouchable.
00:04:12.000 They didn't think that anything was going to happen.
00:04:14.000 Right.
00:04:14.000 And so when, you know.
00:04:16.000 Well, we talk about that on this program a lot.
00:04:18.000 Obviously not just the Gamergate thing.
00:04:19.000 But as a Yankee, Walter Cronkite, Tom Brokaw, Dan Rather, Brian Williams, Larry King, all people who at one time were thought of as, my God, actual journalists.
00:04:30.000 And all of them are just as guilty.
00:04:32.000 Now, to go to one thing you said, I wouldn't say it's a disagreement.
00:04:36.000 I think objectivity is a noble ideal.
00:04:39.000 I think more noble is truth.
00:04:41.000 And I think that pretty much any journalist, even if they try not to, has some sort of a bias.
00:04:47.000 And that's, I mean, I'm a comic, so I'm just always honest about it.
00:04:50.000 The issue is never really achieving objectivity, because obviously you can't, you know.
00:04:55.000 Sure.
00:04:56.000 You know, the only way you could do that is if we were robots.
00:04:58.000 But it's, the journey is very much...
00:05:04.000 And they can be very attractive, by the way.
00:05:06.000 I'm not the only one.
00:05:07.000 That could well be the future.
00:05:08.000 But the important thing is the journey rather than the destination.
00:05:13.000 It's attempting to become objective that is important because these people, instead of – they have done exactly what I consider to be the wrong thing to do.
00:05:23.000 They've looked at the situation and said, well, you can never really be objective.
00:05:26.000 So what's the point in trying?
00:05:28.000 Even though it's the attempts to be objective that's important.
00:05:31.000 Aristotle said that excellence isn't an act, it's a habit.
00:05:36.000 It's what you do repeatedly.
00:05:38.000 And these people are repeatedly biased, solipsistic.
00:05:43.000 They don't care about reporting the facts as relevance to the real world.
00:05:49.000 They care about something they call the narrative, which is a sequence of cherry-picked events that they use to...
00:06:00.000 Right.
00:06:05.000 Well, you're actually sounding a lot like Andrew Breitbart right now.
00:06:07.000 He talked about that for years and everyone made fun of him and said he was a – have you actually – I mean you're in the UK. I know he has Breitbart London now with Milo.
00:06:15.000 But have you followed Andrew's work at all?
00:06:18.000 No, not at all, actually.
00:06:19.000 Not at all.
00:06:20.000 Well, I watched one interview with him and he seemed like a nice enough chap.
00:06:25.000 Well, it's funny because everyone made him seem like this radical extremist.
00:06:28.000 You know, he was a guy pro drug, pro drug, pro legalization of drugs, totally couldn't care on the social issues.
00:06:35.000 He was pro life from a scientific standpoint.
00:06:37.000 And but he always talked about the media narrative.
00:06:40.000 And he was the one who I guess if you haven't followed him, he was the one who just demolished Anthony Weiner, found the Twitter pictures.
00:06:46.000 Not at all?
00:06:47.000 But what the story, a lot of people don't know about that.
00:06:50.000 I'll bring you back right after this break.
00:06:53.000 People accused Andrew Breitbart, before he released those pictures, of lying and hacking Anthony Weiner's Twitter.
00:06:59.000 The press knew that Anthony Weiner had done something, and they decided to go after Andrew again because it set the narrative.
00:07:05.000 So...
00:07:06.000 It forced his hand, literally, to release the Space Odyssey pecker shot that we then saw in the media.
00:07:12.000 We'll bring you right back after this, louder with Crowder, Sargon Al-Vacad, some name I can't pronounce.
00:07:17.000 Sargon, you are back, sir, and I will give you the floor.
00:07:20.000 But I think that you would probably find a lot of commonality with someone like Andrew Breitbart.
00:07:24.000 And I say that as a compliment.
00:07:25.000 I know some people would hear that and take it as an insult.
00:07:27.000 The guy really understood media bias and media narrative better than anyone I've ever heard.
00:07:34.000 I've watched a few interviews with Ben Shapiro, who says that he was a good friend of Andrew Breitbart's.
00:07:40.000 And the people who have known him, that I've seen speak about him, speak very, very highly of him.
00:07:47.000 So that's to his credit, obviously.
00:07:49.000 Yeah, I was a pretty good friend of Andrew, and I never worked for him on a professional level.
00:07:54.000 I was one of the first writers ever at his site when it was big Hollywood, but I was never on a pay scale, so we had a bit of a different relationship.
00:08:02.000 He loved my wife.
00:08:03.000 He would always talk about...
00:08:03.000 Loved my wife.
00:08:05.000 If you've seen my wife, she's way out of my league. 1.00
00:08:07.000 Sorry, we're getting off topic.
00:08:08.000 I haven't seen your wife.
00:08:10.000 The problem with the media is that they... 0.57
00:08:14.000 Honestly, there are many different problems that are all coalescing into one gigantic, hideous monster. 0.99
00:08:27.000 One that looks like a feminist. 1.00
00:08:28.000 Continue.
00:08:29.000 Yeah, but it's not...
00:08:31.000 Feminism is just one aspect of it. 1.00
00:08:33.000 The monster would physically resemble a feminist. 1.00
00:08:36.000 It was just a short jam. 0.95
00:08:37.000 Oh, sorry.
00:08:38.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:08:39.000 But feminism is definitely an aspect of it. 1.00
00:08:40.000 I mean, they would call it intersectionality.
00:08:43.000 So it's all manner of radical, progressive opinions that have become mainstream.
00:08:48.000 That's the problem.
00:08:49.000 They're not fringe anymore.
00:08:50.000 They've become mainstream.
00:08:52.000 But the initial, the main problem is that the right wing, and just for anyone listening, I'm not right wing.
00:09:01.000 I'm center left.
00:09:02.000 The right wing has been completely defeated.
00:09:04.000 You guys have lost the public debate.
00:09:05.000 And it's really disheartening to see, but you kind of brought it on yourselves.
00:09:10.000 I mean, not you personally, but they kind of brought it on. 0.98
00:09:11.000 I was going to say, it's a bit of a dick comment. 0.88
00:09:13.000 But I understand when it's general. 0.95
00:09:14.000 I was like, come on!
00:09:15.000 I'm having you on the show!
00:09:17.000 Don't blame me for the failures of the right wing, but I don't disagree.
00:09:20.000 I'm not saying you personally.
00:09:21.000 I'm joking.
00:09:21.000 No, I know.
00:09:22.000 I'm joking.
00:09:22.000 I know.
00:09:23.000 But the thing is, you guys have got to start being honest with yourselves.
00:09:26.000 And Ben Shapiro, I can't recommend him highly enough.
00:09:29.000 He understands where you guys have gone wrong.
00:09:31.000 And I recommend anyone who's curious, check him out.
00:09:34.000 But basically, you guys were a great counterweight to the extreme left.
00:09:38.000 And you failed, frankly.
00:09:40.000 It's not anything personal, obviously.
00:09:43.000 Well, I would say we've certainly failed politically, obviously, recently, and there are some issues where culturally we've failed.
00:09:50.000 But I think that this is a great example where you don't realize it as you say some of these things.
00:09:56.000 You are not center-left.
00:09:57.000 If you were to come to the United States, you would be considered a right-wing extremist just by what you're expressing right now.
00:10:02.000 Well, that's the problem.
00:10:03.000 That's the problem.
00:10:04.000 it doesn't matter what i would be considered right because if i was to take a political compass test which i have obviously done i'm center left the the issue is that the progressive left is so far to the left anyone who is even slightly more right than them is far right in their opinion right and this but basically a lot of the people who subscribe to my channel are people who are left-wing but not extreme progressives and And what we are effectively seeing is a civil war within the left.
00:10:33.000 And this was really...
00:10:34.000 I did a video of this because it really, really highlighted the issue.
00:10:37.000 There was a point where the radical feminists declared chivalry to be sexist. 1.00
00:10:42.000 Now, you can imagine that there were quite a few left-wing, you know, gentlemen who considered themselves to be rather feminist.
00:10:50.000 You know, they were concerned about women's rights and equal pay and all this sort of thing.
00:10:54.000 The kind of androgynous wimps who are cooking in sweatpants when they come home. 0.89
00:10:58.000 No, no, no, no.
00:10:58.000 No, I know.
00:10:58.000 I'm joking.
00:10:59.000 But listen, I mean, there are...
00:11:00.000 They're the sort of radical ones, but I'm talking about the more moderate ones who, you know...
00:11:05.000 Here's the one thing I would say before we get off that trail.
00:11:07.000 I would say there's nothing moderate about wanting equal pay.
00:11:11.000 There's nothing moderate about saying women should have the right to vote about equal rights. 1.00
00:11:14.000 There's nothing moderate about that, but we have it.
00:11:16.000 So what is considered extreme is for me to say it's not an issue anymore.
00:11:20.000 That needs to be discussed because you have those things.
00:11:23.000 So I understand what you're saying, but I think you relinquish a little bit of territory by even considering that moderate because the left already considers that extreme.
00:11:30.000 That's not what I was considering moderate.
00:11:32.000 I was really speaking to what they consider.
00:11:36.000 My own opinion is there is no gender pay gap.
00:11:40.000 What it is is an earnings gap.
00:11:42.000 Women choose careers that pay less and they work less and therefore, in total, they earn less. 1.00
00:11:47.000 It's...
00:11:49.000 common sense um but yeah so basically a large portion of the left i mean you could see this in the daily telegraph in the uk on literally in subsequent days in the same newspaper you had editorials from various different uh staff members either lionizing or castigating these radical feminists who declared chivalry to be sexist right and you you could see the contrast they were like no it's not sexist for me to you know want to hold a door open for a woman that's me being a gentleman you know but then you have the other side going yeah
00:12:18.000 but that in itself is just benevolent sexism it's it's still sexism and so this is where the sort of radical left are really starting to lose people and what basically And that's where language matters.
00:12:29.000 Because you know what?
00:12:30.000 Inherently, if you want to get down to the definition, it is sexism and that you are treating someone differently because of their sex.
00:12:37.000 But like I've always said, and I've said this on the show many times, I don't know how many people on your channel have seen it.
00:12:41.000 I told a friend of mine, and I told my wife, I said, listen, it is sexism that has me treating you so much better than I treat my video producer, Jared.
00:12:50.000 If Jared comes and smacks me when I'm not looking, which is what guys do, I smack him back.
00:12:55.000 If my wife does it, I never would. 1.00
00:12:56.000 That is sexism. 1.00
00:12:58.000 Now, there is negative sexism.
00:13:00.000 If you were a good feminist, you'd... 1.00
00:13:03.000 Well, exactly. 0.86
00:13:04.000 And I'm not, by the way, I'm not saying you should hit women.
00:13:07.000 But the point is, it is sexism that protects women. 1.00
00:13:11.000 I mean, if you Google YouTube right now...
00:13:13.000 They call it benevolent sexism.
00:13:14.000 They have a term for it.
00:13:16.000 I'm okay with that term.
00:13:18.000 All right.
00:13:19.000 Benevolent sexism.
00:13:20.000 At least it starts with benevolent.
00:13:22.000 This is the thing.
00:13:24.000 Ultimately, the path of reasoning they've gone down, it does lead to the point where you realize that any treatment of women for being even slightly different, which they obviously are different, is a form of sexism.
00:13:36.000 It's too extreme for almost everyone except the extreme progressives.
00:13:40.000 But the problem is...
00:13:41.000 This sort of extreme progressivism is what's being pumped out of universities now.
00:13:46.000 University students are being, frankly, I would say indoctrinated into this.
00:13:50.000 This is the thing.
00:13:51.000 You guys seem to have lost not only the media battle, but the academic battle.
00:13:55.000 And mainly, this comes because you guys don't have any communications courses.
00:13:59.000 In communications courses, what they are teaching students these days are the tricks of Edward Bernays and Saul Alinsky.
00:14:06.000 And you've probably got some viewers whose ears have perked up at those two names, if yours haven't already.
00:14:11.000 Well, Andrew Breitbart was the one who brought Saul Alinsky to the foreground and drew that sort of connection with him and radical leftists like President Obama.
00:14:18.000 And the thing is, what's interesting about Alinsky is he was a leftist, obviously, and he wasn't a full Marxist.
00:14:26.000 But his book, Rules for Radicals, isn't a partisan text.
00:14:32.000 No.
00:14:33.000 He describes it as the counterpoint to Machiavelli's The Prince.
00:14:37.000 When Machiavelli's The Prince is the book to help the haves keep what they have, Rules for Radicals is to help the have-nots take what they have. 0.97
00:14:47.000 So it's not a partisan book.
00:14:49.000 So people in the right wing can read it, but the thing is...
00:14:52.000 It's more of an instruction manual than anything.
00:14:55.000 It is.
00:14:55.000 But this goes back to – and this ties in with Edward Bernays.
00:15:00.000 These techniques are bad techniques.
00:15:03.000 I personally find them immoral.
00:15:05.000 I don't think that you should propagandize people.
00:15:08.000 I don't think that you should manipulate and lie and deliberately politicize issues that aren't political.
00:15:14.000 And like Alinsky said, accuse them of doing what you yourself are doing.
00:15:18.000 Exactly.
00:15:18.000 And hold them to their own standards because they're obviously unrealistic.
00:15:21.000 But you would never realistically expect someone to be able to maintain their highest standard.
00:15:26.000 Everyone's human.
00:15:27.000 Everyone has failures.
00:15:28.000 And yet to demand it, you can't really go against it without looking like a villain.
00:15:34.000 So it's...
00:15:35.000 And there's a pivotal issue there, and that's why the right has sort of lost culturally again, because they've conceded territory, not only media, entertainment, academia, and the narrative is set where basically it'd be like someone watching someone going for a high jump.
00:15:51.000 Leftists are sitting there watching from the stands going, you didn't hit the perfect Fosbury flop there, and they laugh, but they don't even attempt it.
00:15:58.000 Well, then you get zero.
00:15:59.000 Right.
00:15:59.000 You don't get a five, you get a zero.
00:16:01.000 You get a zero, and you get a beam in your back.
00:16:03.000 In fact, you may even get a negative saying that you're actually trying to damage the sport of high diving.
00:16:08.000 The problem is that...
00:16:12.000 The left have spent decades in academia solidifying their position with all sorts of complex rationales.
00:16:19.000 They have sociological definitions for things.
00:16:22.000 For example, racism is not merely being prejudiced against someone based on their skin colour or their race.
00:16:29.000 That's not what racism means to the extreme progressive sociological definition of the word.
00:16:35.000 what they use it to mean is a system of uh or interlocking sort of system of power structures so in their minds if you're not someone who is benefiting from a power hierarchy you can't be racist so in their minds white people are the only people who can be racist because if you look at say politicians in the u.s or in the uk any european country uh they're predominantly white and they're predominantly male because what else i don't like that
00:17:05.000 you lumped the u.s in with We are not of your ilk, sir.
00:17:09.000 Well, I'm joshing you.
00:17:12.000 Believe me, I know.
00:17:14.000 Well, you know I'm Canadian, right? 0.99
00:17:15.000 We still have your silly queen and our money. 1.00
00:17:17.000 Continue. 0.99
00:17:17.000 You know, I didn't hear. 0.99
00:17:19.000 I normally can tell very clearly from the action.
00:17:21.000 Oh, I had it beaten out of me.
00:17:22.000 I'm French-Canadian, so my mom is actually French, which if you want to talk racism, we've talked about this before.
00:17:28.000 Yeah, this interview's over, sorry.
00:17:29.000 Yeah, I know.
00:17:31.000 Well, French-Canadian, the French from Paris, French from France, there's no one left to hate.
00:17:35.000 Everyone hates the French.
00:17:36.000 And so once you get down to French, like, well, who's the other sect of French people?
00:17:40.000 And the people from Paris are like, we had the French-Canadian, and then the French-Canadian, we had the people from Paris, and there's no one left.
00:17:45.000 So I get it.
00:17:46.000 I get it.
00:17:46.000 Continue.
00:17:47.000 Sorry.
00:17:49.000 First of all, Yeah, so basically, in Western countries, the people who predominantly hold positions of power in, say, corporations and governments are white men.
00:17:59.000 And, you know, that's to be expected.
00:18:01.000 The majority of the working population are white men.
00:18:06.000 So you are going to end up with majority white men in positions of power.
00:18:10.000 And so...
00:18:12.000 The sociological definition of these things like racism and sexism, they have taken all of this into account and decided that what this is, and I'm going to quote directly, they call it a white supremacist capitalist patriarchy.
00:18:24.000 And so they think that if you aren't a white man, then you cannot be racist or sexist, which enables them to go and be as hateful as they like to white men.
00:18:34.000 In Being right-wing is a pejorative term in these circles.
00:18:41.000 They will call you right-wing as an insult. 0.94
00:18:44.000 This is how bad your names are.
00:18:46.000 I hate to be the bearer of bad news, and I get kind of annoyed by it because I'm not right-wing, but I'm...
00:18:56.000 I think you're reasonable.
00:18:58.000 And I think there was a point where people who were right wing and listen, I think I have a lot of family members and probably when I was a young teenager was guilty of this, where...
00:19:08.000 Because of the religious influence, and I am full disclosure, I still am a Christian, I think a lot of people didn't have to rationalize their arguments anytime you get into an echo chamber.
00:19:16.000 So I think one could have argued, yeah, the right wing seemed like they were fixated on certain points and weren't open to reason.
00:19:21.000 I think that's flopped.
00:19:23.000 Where now you've got the left, and like you said, they have their very important narrative that they will protect at all costs through Alinsky Tactics.
00:19:29.000 You were singing my song, babe, and now they're the ones who are closed off to reason.
00:19:34.000 All right, wrap this up real quick.
00:19:35.000 We'll have to go to a break and then bring you on for the online segment, but where can people best find you?
00:19:41.000 They can type in Sargon of a CAD into Google, and my name actually comes up first.
00:19:47.000 So my YouTube channel would be the first link you get.
00:19:50.000 Look at him being all coy.
00:19:51.000 He has SEO operators and is saying, I don't know, I just came up first.
00:19:54.000 Yes, you know.
00:19:56.000 I'm just awesome.
00:19:57.000 I just fell into it.
00:19:58.000 Sargon of a Cat, we will keep you for the online segment.
00:20:01.000 If you're listening to us, really louderwithcrader.com.
00:20:03.000 Stay tuned.
00:20:04.000 If you like this, be sure to subscribe by clicking my general face in this box or listen again to the extended version of the interview with Sargon over at his channel.
00:20:14.000 It's three whole hours right below that.