In this episode, I sit down with the Mayor of Cincinnati, Ohio, Pete Buttigieg, to discuss diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) and climate change in the 21st century. We talk about what it means to be "inclusive" and "equitable" and why we need to stop using the words inclusive and equality.
00:00:00.000Put an end to some ridiculous DEI initiatives, powerful city leaders across the globe are doubling down, pushing this agenda harder than ever, all the way from Texas to Ohio to the UK.
00:00:27.000Inclusivity is a part of our charter or our city.
00:00:31.000And now I'm being told that if we don't get rid of the words like inclusive and equality, that we're not going to get any money from the federal government.
00:00:40.000We're not going to get any money from the state government.
00:00:43.000We're not going to do anything like that.
00:00:45.000We believe that immigrants and diversity are part of the one reason we have the fastest growing economy in the Midwest.
00:00:52.000We believe that our diversity is a strength.
00:00:55.000And we're going to continue to be a safe and welcoming place to people from all walks of life.
00:00:59.000Because we think that's a huge competitive.
00:01:01.000The same initiatives can be found in mayor's offices in cities like London, Munich, Paris, Gothenburg, Sweden, and maybe...
00:01:12.000Most egregious of all, Belfast, Ireland, which is headed up by Mayor Mickey Murray.
00:01:18.000As the first citizen of Belfast, and the very first openly gay Lord Mayor of Belfast, I'm extremely excited to be leading this year's parade.
00:01:25.000The theme of this year's festival is Love Your Mind, a message that is so incredibly important to our LGBTQIA plus community.
00:01:31.000You're disproportionately affected by mental health issues.
00:01:45.000at least according to Arlington Mayor Jim Ross.
00:01:47.000Why can't you have excellence with equity?
00:01:49.000Why can't the Asian American get into school because there are too many Asians in the school?
00:01:53.000Why can't an Asian American get into school because there's too many Asians in the school?
00:01:58.000Yes, there's a quota at your Ivy Leagues, and the Supreme Court literally struck it down because Asians were not being admitted based on their race.
00:02:06.000So am I going to convince you of anything one way or the other on DEI?
00:03:44.000We continue to educate those who are coming after us.
00:03:49.000We are, number one, working to educate our citizens really around, you know, what is climate change.
00:03:57.000Being as resilient as we can in our built environment.
00:04:00.000And it's also looking to the future and understanding how climate change is going to affect migration and business investment.
00:04:06.000So on the protection side, Cincinnati is proud to have the largest city-led solar farm in the country.
00:04:13.000In fact, our city is actually net carbon neutral because we create from that solar farm and put into the grid as much, if not more, energy than our city buildings actually are used to consume.
00:04:28.000We are one of seven cities in the world that got investments from Bloomberg Philanthropies to operationalized biochar, which is an entirely renewable resource that not only helps with stormwater mitigation, but also fertilizer,
00:04:43.000and it's a carbon capture tool as well.
00:04:46.000I can go on and on about biochar, but I see the eyes blazing over.
00:04:50.000We also did the very hard work of rezoning our city in advance of Bus Rapid Transit, which will be coming to Cincinnati, which we're very excited about.
00:04:57.000And so along our transit routes and in our neighborhood business districts, we have increased density and height and legalized multi-families in an extraordinary way, which we are hopeful will not just create more housing stability, but also over time,
00:05:13.000particularly for a Midwest city, this is hard.
00:05:21.000We have a Green Cincinnati plan with very ambitious goals and we're on par to hit that.
00:05:27.000Cities can do a profound amount of work.
00:05:30.000The other thing we did was reformed our residential tax payment program to prioritize LEED certification because we know that 40% of the carbon emissions are coming from buildings.
00:05:42.000A majority of people in the United States live in cities.
00:05:45.000And so if cities are on the cutting edge of mitigating these climate impacts, we can make a profound change.
00:05:52.000But on the flip side of that, you know, Ohio and Cincinnati in particular really benefit from our geographic location.
00:05:58.000We're not seeing the wildfires and the droughts and the earthquakes and the hurricanes that a lot of other parts of our community are seeing.
00:06:05.000But the Ohio River, we have a huge amount of fresh water that is accessible to us.
00:06:10.000We believe that in the future, those two things are going to be competitive advantages, distinguishing us from other communities, which will make us a destination for climate migrants and other natural migrants, which we hope will continue to build our growth.
00:06:24.000And so we're seeding investments right now to make sure that happens.
00:06:27.000And you already see, you know, the insurance industry is basically upside down in the Gulf states.
00:06:32.000It's going to get much more expensive to live in those communities.
00:06:35.000And so we want to be a destination for folks who are looking to make a move.
00:06:39.000Really quickly, I want you to focus on that last man, Cincinnati Mayor Aftab Pirival.
00:06:45.000His accomplishments include a failed run for the U.S. House of Representatives in 2018.
00:06:51.000He was elected as Cincinnati mayor in 2021 with 65% of the vote and spoke at the 2024 DNC in support of Kamala Harris and is generally seen as a rising star within the party with all of the hallmarks of a young Obama type.
00:07:10.000Now, we really know that initiatives like DEI and Climate Change Action, we know what they're actually about, right?
00:07:19.000Ensuring predetermined outcomes and controlling what you can say, who you can criticize, what you can drive, where you can drive, and how often or when you can drive, even what you can eat for dinner.
00:07:31.000What we're actually here to say is that you'll soon be eating crickets because, well, you have no choice.
00:07:37.000But now we have the irrefutable proof that these mayors and city leaders around the world are pushing these agendas.
00:12:33.000And so I didn't really take that passion that seriously until, you know, President Obama.
00:12:38.000And without question, a historic figure, our first black president.
00:12:41.000But I really identified with him because he was our first president with an ethnic name.
00:12:45.000And kind of inspire me that no matter what you look like or where you're from.
00:12:49.000I get what it's like to be a black man dating a white woman, holding hands with somebody walking down the street and seeing the looks that I get.
00:12:59.000I don't get it because it's never happened to me.
00:13:16.000And we're going to continue to be a safe and welcoming place to people from all walks of life because we think that's a huge competitive advantage.
00:13:24.000We think unlocking units, getting more units in the pipeline is the best way to fight homelessness.
00:13:31.000It's the best way to address affordability.
00:13:34.000And we think that's due to land use and incentives, not demonizing certain groups of people who are blaming our problems.
00:13:44.000What you're thinking and you should be ashamed.
00:13:48.000Hasn't the diversity shtick kind of ruined some cities?
00:14:17.000Over the course of 24 hours, around 6,800 migrants disembarked from 120 boats.
00:14:24.000That's a few hundred people more than Lampedusa's full-time population.
00:14:29.000It wasn't students in classes, but migrants in the gym today at James Madison High School in Midwood.
00:14:35.000And that did not sit well with parents who felt the administration put the shelter needs of asylum seekers ahead of the educational needs of kids.
00:14:43.000It's been two days since they've been in the hospital with their children, who sleep outside.
00:14:55.000So yes, it could be argued that cosmopolitanism has been a mixed bag.
00:15:01.000If that bag is mixed of flaming s**t, which is exactly why you've seen a sharp rise of staunch nationalist movements, like some would argue President Trump's MAGA, Germany's AFD, France's national rally,
00:15:17.000Britain's reform, and especially Giorgio Maloney's pro-West brothers of Italy party.
00:15:41.000Yeah, you can see why the cosmopolitans wouldn't be too fond of her.
00:15:48.000This shows that nationalist movements Can win, right?
00:15:55.000The globalist regime is in retreat in capitals from DC to Berlin, Paris to Rome.
00:16:01.000The scary part is that globalism has really just morphed into a strategy controlled by metropolitan centers, like the aforementioned Berlin's, Paris's, other Western metropolises,
00:16:20.000All of that influence and power to the country and the globe at large.
00:16:26.000And surprisingly, the poster child for the whole thing might just be Manchester, UK, as described quite aptly by Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham.
00:16:37.000And I think this is a new, to the UK, this is a new way of doing politics.
00:16:42.000And I think it is an antidote to the turbulence and the division and the...
00:16:46.000Kind of hate we see spewed out at a national level in countries around the world.
00:16:51.000And I go very much with what Mayor Watson said at the end.
00:16:55.000You know, if the 20th century was about the United Nations, the 21st should be about United Cities.
00:17:00.000A network of cities who think place first before politics, who think how do we make progress together, dealing with the same challenges.
00:17:08.000The network of cities, I think, needs to be a counterpoint to dysfunctional national politics that's overly tribal, overly divided.
00:17:17.000And I absolutely believe, to answer your question, this is the right future of politics going forward.
00:17:38.000A group of interconnected cities run by elites with nothing in common with the average citizen and no allegiance to the state or its people will control the future of the world.
00:17:52.000And what will that future look like if cities like Manchester have their say?
00:17:58.000And in this world we're in right now, this becomes massively important.
00:18:04.000Cities as places of equality, of progress, but progress with unity, with people together.
00:18:12.000And sticking with that kind of notion of a place that is all about standing up for people, never walking on by on the other side.
00:18:21.000And I think that's why this Austin-Manchester partnership...
00:18:25.000Absolutely. It works economically, socially, politically.
00:18:29.000And we are going to make it more than a piece of paper, aren't we?
00:18:33.000But I think also, though, they want to live in a city that doesn't attack diversity policies, doesn't attack net zero, as we're hearing in the political space.
00:18:43.000We won't be ever going in that direction.
00:18:46.000In fact, we lean more into that in this moment because we think that that's important.
00:19:26.000Don't worry, Mr. Burnham assured us his city is growing super fast and super equitably.
00:19:34.000We're very proud of that fact, growing in 3% a year last decade.
00:19:41.000I think though, the challenge ahead of Austin and the Manchester...
00:19:47.000Is to keep growing and bringing more prosperity to our residents without selling our soul, without becoming soulless.
00:19:55.000The next chapter for me, I think what we've done, and maybe Austin has done this as well, Kurt, what we've done is bring a lot of people into our city who weren't investing there before.
00:20:06.000The BBC, the Bank of New York, Booking.com, Cloud Imperium we were talking to just the other day.
00:20:16.000I think we've largely, not completely, but largely relocated people to kind of live in Manchester.
00:20:24.000The next chapter for me is doing exactly what you are doing with Austin Beauty College.
00:20:29.000So, where are all these new investments and transplants coming from?
00:20:35.000Mostly the Gulf states and Saudi Arabia.
00:20:39.000Also, Gulf royalty is buying up a lot of Manchester sports scene.
00:20:45.000So in 2008, Man City was purchased by an Abu Dhabi-based investment firm owned by Sheikh Mansour.
00:20:51.000And now, Qatar's Sheikh Yassim is actively trying to buy Manchester United.
00:20:57.000It even, by the way, extends to residential properties, which are becoming increasingly expensive and unaffordable for Manchester natives.
00:21:06.000Gentrification. It's fine when the Saudis and Qatari do it.
00:21:10.000In 2019, a BBC investigation identified the ownership Of a new 77-unit complex in Manchester City Center.
00:22:13.000So really, this development is just courting rich foreigners, mostly from the Middle East, and is of no benefit to the Manchester public pretty much whatsoever.
00:22:25.000At the same time, unsurprisingly, the city's demographics have changed.
00:22:34.000The Christian population in 2011 was around 48.7%.
00:23:09.000Now, you would think, or one could argue, that after years of evidence, it seems Islamic culture and Western culture may be irreconcilable.
00:23:24.000Maybe British leaders should reconsider their stance.
00:23:28.000Lucky for us, we were able to pose this exact question to Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham.
00:23:37.000I wasn't actually planning to ask any questions, but I do political coverage all over the world, and I just got back from Germany covering their elections.
00:23:45.000And what I noticed in Germany, like with the AFD's rise, it's all driven off of immigration policy.
00:23:51.000And actually, when I landed there, there was a stabbing at the Holocaust Memorial, and that has really driven Germany far to the right.
00:23:58.000Or at least that's how people might describe it.
00:24:01.000So I was hearing the population growth in your city.
00:24:04.000I was wondering if you thought, like, because so much of that seems to mirror, like, an Islamic growth or Muslim growth is contributing to a lot of that.
00:24:12.000Do you think there's going to be a point where there's like a compatibility issue with that population and the native British population, like we've seen in Germany and Italy and Hungary?
00:24:21.000Well, it's obviously a kind of divisive climate that's out there in national politics around the world.
00:24:34.000Are where the harm comes if politicians are making those kind of statements where, you know, they are, I don't know, creating hate between different people.
00:24:48.000You know, hate crime is rising in cities.
00:24:50.000But so are the terror attacks, right, from those groups exponentially.
00:27:11.000I'd like if you could clarify something or reaffirm some things for me.
00:27:17.000The Columbus Dispatch yesterday reported apartment construction plummeted in 2024 in your city, and despite this ongoing housing crisis.
00:27:27.000I know you say you're not a sanctuary city, but just in January you affirmed that all are welcome in Columbus, and I'd like to know, especially if we're talking about disruptions, what would you say to your citizens with this housing
00:27:42.000crisis? Is this not a way that you can sort of prioritize them and their housing needs, especially since it's mostly minorities and young people that are disproportionately affected by the housing crisis?
00:27:55.000Yeah, Columbus is America's opportunity city.
00:27:58.000We believe that our diversity is in strength.
00:28:01.000And if you talk to major employers, whether they're public like the Ohio State University or health systems or private companies, immigrants have helped make America great.
00:28:13.000They helped make Columbus special and unique.
00:28:17.000And we're going to continue to be a safe and welcoming place to people from all walks of life because we think that's a huge competitive advantage.
00:28:27.000Units, getting more units in the pipeline is the best way to fight homelessness.
00:28:32.000It's the best way to address affordability.
00:28:35.000And we think that's through land use and incentives, not demonizing certain groups of people who are laying in our problems.
00:28:43.000These issues existed before folks came to the United States and before they came to Columbus.
00:28:49.000As I mentioned, there are systemic issues.
00:28:51.000lot of our zoning codes and land use policies were based on the second iteration of redlining based on race and keeping certain people out so as we talk about all these issues I think it's important to make sure there's being accurate
00:29:07.000complete and thorough and calling things what they are but Columbus is going to continue to thrive and succeed because we welcome the best and the brightest from all over
00:29:17.000I understand, and I certainly appreciate that, especially when we're talking about immigrants.
00:29:24.000Specifically, though, I'm honing in on the undocumented issue, and I just want clarity on this specific point.
00:29:30.000You've been married since 2016, good for growing the city, but you're still falling at almost half the rate of the apartments you need to grow.
00:29:37.000Housing prices for single-family homes are up 52% since 2020 alone.
00:29:42.000Is this not one area where your citizens can more quickly be prioritized?
00:29:47.000If you do even, I know you say you're not single-family homes, but even assist with that, in the deep end of the book, here's a smart, ready answer.
00:29:54.000We prioritize people and families, and we don't pick and choose winners and losers.
00:30:00.000Columbus's future is big enough and bright enough for everybody.
00:30:06.000So what does this all mean and what can we do about it?
00:30:12.000Okay, what you have is a group of elites controlled by interests outside of the state instituting anti-nationalist globalist policies.
00:30:22.000These elites and those doing their bidding are in direct competition, opposition to citizens of the Western world who have said time and time again, through their votes,
00:30:38.000through their voices on public platforms, that enough is enough and that you don't want globalism, that you don't want unfettered immigration, and you don't want these elites consistently pushing their version of cultural What they have failed to do at the national level,
00:30:58.000they're repackaging and planning for the city level.
00:31:03.000And when you consider the disproportionate power that these cities have, it's actually not an insane plan.
00:31:15.000These people, and I want to clearly define them, those on the left in positions of power, Internationally or locally, as we now understand, they view you as nothing more than an economic unit.
00:31:32.000Who you are, your culture, your nation's history, your values, your ideals, the way you see the world, the way you see your country, the way you see other countries, the way you see all of these countries in relation to each other.
00:31:54.000Country. Could not interest them less.
00:31:58.000In fact, those qualities, those attributes that make you who you are, and maybe at one point have made up what your country is supposed to be, are in diametric opposition to achieving their end goal,
00:32:41.000And they certainly are going to exercise that knowledge that they have regardless.
00:32:50.000Of the votes, regardless of how your nation has spoken on, in fact, a national stage, they are going to find a way to exercise what is better for you.
00:33:36.000You just get notifications when we are live, 11 a.m. Eastern every day.
00:33:42.000There are no other notifications that get pushed out to you.
00:33:44.000It's not like YouTube crap with a penis or dildo.
00:33:50.000I thought I would clean it from the word they use.
00:33:52.000It's an actual game on YouTube, but instead I just use the medical nomenclature, which frankly almost sounds dirtier.
00:33:57.000So, hopefully, if you didn't learn anything new there, because you already knew it, it was a refresher course and it was entertaining.
00:34:04.000We know it's a pretty important topic with a lot of people.
00:34:08.000I mean, you know, you say globalism and you get, I mean, Alex Jones will find himself in ecstasy, pure glee, that everyone else is using it as a mainstream term right now.
00:34:18.000But it actually is something that I know a lot of you...
00:34:22.000Have encountered, and it's affected you directly.
00:34:24.000So, we actually asked you some questions earlier, I believe this week or last week, about how globalism has affected you.
00:34:31.000And here are a couple of the comments and questions that we actually want to share.
00:34:36.000And coming up after this, of course, will be the Poolmeister, Timmy Sun.
00:34:52.000You wrote, I will be unironically studying human rights law and freedom of expression at Oxford.
00:34:58.000And though I enthusiastically side with J.D. Vance on the issue of Europeistan's take on free speech slash thought, I like how you took Europe and added theistan to imply that it's sort of a theocratic oligarchy.
00:35:15.000Because we know it's not usually Europe.
00:35:17.000It's not usually Europeistan, it's Europe.
00:35:21.000Europa's take on free speech thought and would probably withhold any and all foreign money until the EU codified something like a free speech amendment into law.
00:35:28.000Should I stick to my guns on the issue if that's too extremist, in quotes, and might genuinely get me kicked out of the country almost immediately?
00:35:36.000Wouldn't it be worth it to learn as much as I could right now so as to be able to help in the fight for free speech in countries where it's currently just a facade?
00:35:45.000Is there any hope for any kind of transformation in Europe?
00:35:47.000Could withholding money from countries like Germany until they stop banning free speech work?
00:36:41.000I won't give the name, but it was basically like an Alcoholics Anonymous for people in Hollywood, conservatives in Hollywood, where we would meet, and you'd be surprised as to the folks who would show up.
00:36:49.000I mean, I'm talking A-listers, people who you would know who are conservative, you know, people like Gary Sinise, your James Woods, your Clint Eastwoods, I'm trying to think, John Voight, Kelsey Grammer, people like that.
00:37:01.000It's really kind of awkward sitting at a table with them and me.
00:37:09.000But there are a lot of people who would surprise you, and they had to keep their views under wraps.
00:37:13.000And I used to tell kids, if they were going to college, and they would ask me about this, and say, hey, if I'm planning on going into the entertainment industry, for example, this school, should I keep my views to myself?
00:37:23.000You don't need to be loud about your views.
00:37:26.000Kind of, yeah, keep your head down, get your work done, make it through, and then we'll see you on the other side where you can do some good.
00:38:24.000I weigh it against, okay, how much good can you do, right, if you make it through this institution, versus how much can you do if you don't?
00:38:35.000Do you really need to go to this specific institution?
00:38:38.000And do you really think you'll be able to live with yourself for whatever it is, let's say four years?
00:38:44.000Do you think it's more of a statement to simply not commit any kind of a cardinal sin, be yourself, and be kicked out?
00:38:54.000The other students start seeing this happen, and we saw in the United States, stateside, right, funds being withheld from higher education, some institutions.
00:39:02.000I don't have the full list in front of me.
00:39:05.000Then you actually end up affecting policy.
00:39:08.000And there's a cultural shift where people realize that the left has gone too far.
00:39:11.000You now see people who were formerly liberals, or they're still liberals, saying, yeah, but I can't be on board with this kind of totalitarian silencing of free speech.
00:39:20.000That was a very long uphill climb for many people who came before you.
00:39:25.000So if I were to give you advice, I'd say let your freak flag fly.
00:39:32.000There is nothing that you can do that will be enough.
00:39:35.000For these people, if I'm not familiar with your program or the professors, but I certainly know when I was in college, and I certainly know having relatives and my closest friends who've gone to, I mean, everywhere from UT, Brown, Harvard, it's never enough.
00:39:49.000And if you think you're tolerant enough today, and if you think you're amicable enough today, well, just wait until tomorrow.
00:39:56.000In other words, you have people who, gosh, maybe four or five years ago.
00:40:02.000Yeah, you can change your name and I'll call you whatever gender you want.
00:40:07.000If those people decided, well, hold on a second, I'm not going to cross this line with, you know, transitioning children.
00:40:23.000At some point, you're going to come up against that line.
00:40:27.000And I think it'll happen sooner than you think.
00:40:31.000And I hate to tell you this, but more often than not, I've seen people who kind of keep their head down, do their work, they go and work in entertainment, you know, production companies, or even in media.
00:40:42.000Even, by the way, when I was at Fox News for a long time, they live in New York, they live in LA, or they go to San Francisco, they work in big tech companies, and they just compromise.
00:40:52.000That seems to be, in my experience, the more likely outcome than you keeping your head down, coming out the other side.
00:40:59.000And having all of the gusto and the zeal for life to change the world.
00:41:04.000Usually, they chip away at your values, they chip away at your self-worth, and you just go, man, this is an unwinnable fight.
00:41:12.000I better just keep my head down through my first job.
00:41:17.000Let me just keep it down until I get that promotion.
00:43:08.000They're also the rate limit on lumber and timber.
00:43:11.000So my question is, do you guys think Americans will take their medicine short term to help American manufacturers grow and thrive?
00:43:18.000This is the same question that can be kind of applied across a lot of industries right now, as we're seeing.
00:43:24.000I do know that there's an additional wrinkle, I would imagine, when you're dealing with timber, when you're dealing with lumber, because of all the environmental regulations.
00:43:32.000I mean, I can remember when I was a kid, and there were PSAs regarding clear cutting.
00:43:36.000You know, there'd always be like some bird that would fly and it would go to land on a tree and it would stumble because the tree wasn't there.
00:43:43.000And then it would, you know, camera would just sort of like pan or zoom out and you would see it was a bunch of trees that weren't there.
00:43:50.000I never show you, of course, when the Native Americans just decide to debone that bird alive and pass it among the tribes while scalping women and children.
00:45:58.000So, the point is, American cars, not always that great, but a middle ground.
00:46:01.000You have Americans who are employed by Hyundai, Toyota, Nissan, I believe Honda, Toyota set up one of their new headquarters in Texas, where there are, actually I believe it's the Camry, or the Highlander, one of these Toyotas is one of the most American cars out there as far as percentage of American.
00:46:19.000Pieces being used and the amount of assembly being done in the United States.
00:46:23.000Outside of Tesla, I believe that's the most American car on the road.
00:46:28.000They make good livings in these states.
00:46:30.000And they're not beholden to the UAW in their Cadillac pension benefit packages.
00:46:34.000So that's a good middle ground between, okay, a piece of crap GM and never-ending American bailout dollars, or, you know, some kind of a Chinese EV that's a...
00:46:45.000Likely this sort of amalgamate of a gross violation of intellectual property rights and slave labor.
00:46:51.000Okay, you can get a car that's more American that's a Toyota manufactured in the United States with more American parts than most Fords.
00:46:59.000Great. If American car companies could do that and some of these special interests could maybe release or we'd force them to release their stranglehold, like special interests like unions, yeah, would it be more expensive than if we just imported cheap Chinese cars?
00:47:15.000Sure. That's what happens with a lot of Europe.
00:47:17.000They just flood the market with Chinese EVs.
00:47:19.000Yeah, but it doesn't have to be as expensive as we think it does.
00:47:25.000And there's the net benefit of us being reliant on our own industries here.
00:47:30.000If we can apply that to timber and lumber, and I've got to imagine, if anything, it might be easier because if you just stop some of these regulations with milling, I would imagine right away there would be people who see opportunities.
00:47:43.000The flip side is, I mean, it might be tough to compete with Canada because you have a country that's much larger than the United States, significantly larger as far as a landmass, with a tenth of the population, and what the hell else are you going to do with it?
00:47:57.000It's basically like, I mean, obviously I told you this, the technical term is Canada internationally is known as America's backdoor.
00:48:05.000But basically, it should be our treehouse.
00:48:09.000They should just be a timber and lumber reserve for the United States.
00:48:35.000So, could we do this here in the United States?
00:48:37.000Probably. Can we do it more effectively than we are currently doing it?
00:48:40.000Yes. And I'd like to see that across all industries.
00:48:42.000However, as it relates to lumber, Canada is largely a useless place filled with mostly, not all, useless people, but rich and natural resources.
00:48:53.000So I say we take the resources and, you know, the few good people left?
00:49:02.000We'll say a few prayers and hopefully you're not turned into a pillar of salt.