Louder with Crowder - GUN WEEK w- Mrgunsngear | Ep 4. Gun Myths Debunked: Chapter 2

00:00:00.000 It's Gun Week! 0.75

00:00:02.000 Now, the Founding Fathers understood that only an armed people could truly be a free people.

00:00:08.000 So this week, I invite you to join me and Mug Club's resident gun aficionado, Mr. Guns N' Gears, as we tackle the subject of firearms from every angle possible.

00:00:20.000 In today's episode, let's examine and debunk some of the most egregious technical myths regarding firearms and how they've become so pervasive.

00:00:28.000 It's the 4th of July and firearms are as American as, I guess, the American flag.

00:00:33.000 You know what?

00:00:33.000 They're very American.

00:00:34.000 I think that's a good thing.

00:00:35.000 You can hit the like button if you like the fact that the United States fought off the world's greatest superpower of one century only to become the world's only superpower of the next century for all of its flaws.

00:00:45.000 And this is installment number two of most common gun myths that you hear.

00:00:50.000 We wanted to separate them into two categories because we have Mr. Guns and Gear here, I highly recommend that you go check out his channel, check out his content.

00:00:57.000 He's forgotten more about firearms than I'll ever know, I think is the expression.

00:01:01.000 It's been a long day.

00:01:02.000 And I'm distracted by his chromedomia.

00:01:02.000 I'm good with it.

00:01:05.000 Well, you know, we put on some powder.

00:01:05.000 The shine.

00:01:07.000 We did.

00:01:07.000 You don't wear sunscreen.

00:01:09.000 I don't.

00:01:09.000 You refuse to wear sunscreen.

00:01:11.000 I do.

00:01:11.000 When we were out at the range, if you went and watched the ballistics video, we were all delirious because we had lost probably about 10 pounds of water that day.

00:01:18.000 Yeah.

00:01:19.000 It was legit hot.

00:01:19.000 It was hot.

00:01:20.000 Well, you're surrounded by burning tires in a valley in Texas.

00:01:24.000 No wind.

00:01:26.000 So we wanted to specifically get into now more of the technical myths that you may hear about firearms as opposed to sort of constitutional myths that you might hear or lack therein as far as constitutional application.

00:01:36.000 This is more what you might hear about firearms that might scare you away from Guns in general.

00:01:42.000 And this bring- we'll do seven.

00:01:43.000 Maybe plus one in there.

00:01:45.000 Myth number seven, that you've probably heard quite a bit and run into, is the AR-15 is a weapon of war that was intended only for military use.

00:01:55.000 When they issued the following statement, they said, Our father, Eugene Stoner, designed the AR-15 and subsequent M-16 as a military weapon to give our soldiers an advantage over the AK-47.

00:02:07.000 He died long before any mass shootings occurred, but we do think he would have been horrified and sickened as anyone, if not more so by these events.

00:02:15.000 And they went on to tell me that he personally, although he was an avid shooter and an outdoorsman, never owned the AR-15, his key invention.

00:02:23.000 He never used it for personal defense.

00:02:25.000 I've held an AR-15 in my hand.

00:02:27.000 I wish I had it.

00:02:28.000 It is as heavy as ten boxes that you might be moving.

00:02:33.000 And the bullets that is utilized, a .50 caliber, these kinds of bullets, need to be licensed and do not need to be on the streets.

00:02:42.000 The AR-15 is a derivative of the AR-10 which was designed first.

00:02:50.000 Military contracts were awarded for that to Cuba, Sudan, as well as others.

00:02:55.000 But then the AR-15 was specifically was labeled commercially the Colt Sporter.

00:03:03.000 So that was available to civilians.

00:03:05.000 And then of course the M16, and there were some early variants as well, got into the

00:03:10.000 M16A1 that was adopted by the army.

00:03:12.000 Right.

00:03:13.000 Yeah.

00:03:14.000 It was marked, you know, the M16 was basically available for, it was being pushed for military

00:03:17.000 contract and the AR-15 was simultaneously being pushed as a civilian firearm for sporting

00:03:22.000 or hunting.

00:03:23.000 Right.

00:03:24.000 And so they had much, much more success with the civilian sales than they did the military.

00:03:28.000 The air force adopted what we would consider, excuse me, a M16 prior to the army, but very

00:03:36.000 small numbers.

00:03:37.000 So for years, the majority of AR-15s being made were going to the civilian market only.

00:03:41.000 Right.

00:03:42.000 Well, I think that one is, let me consider that myth cooked.

00:03:46.000 And by the way, a reason that they're so popular, we'll get into this more later on, is that AR-15s are, they're popular because they're versatile.

00:03:54.000 You can go back to Long Guns 101.

00:03:54.000 They're easy to handle.

00:03:56.000 There's a reason that they are popular, and it's not because they should be used only by Navy SEALs as a scary black rifle.

00:04:03.000 It's because it's very easy for people who are inexperienced shooters to handle.

00:04:07.000 And hey, that's important if people are trying to get a firearm that is controllable for them.

00:04:12.000 Especially when we're trying to bring new folks into the community, right?

00:04:15.000 Something that's lightweight, easy to shoot well, easy to hit what you're aiming at.

00:04:18.000 Right.

00:04:18.000 It's the perfect weapon for a lot of scenarios.

00:04:20.000 I've never had anyone shoot an AR-15 who was a new shooter and not find it one of the easiest firearms to shoot.

00:04:25.000 Once they get past the sound.

00:04:27.000 But that's any rifle like that that's firing around that quickly.

00:04:27.000 Agreed.

00:04:30.000 Especially when you compare it to a shotgun that Joe Biden's recommending.

00:04:32.000 Yes!

00:04:33.000 You don't need an AR-15.

00:04:35.000 It's harder to aim.

00:04:37.000 It's harder to use.

00:04:38.000 And in fact, you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself.

00:04:42.000 Buy a shotgun.

00:04:43.000 I mean, in all seriousness, for a new shooter to be able to proficiently handle a shotgun is difficult.

00:04:48.000 Right.

00:04:49.000 Not so with the AR-15.

00:04:50.000 Well, it's just a rule of kinetic energy that people understand.

00:04:53.000 I haven't fired many double-barreled shotguns, but I've fired pump shotguns, and that alone is far more recoiling than, for example, a semi-automatic shotgun, because part of that energy is used to cycle the next round.

00:05:03.000 Right, or even a pump-action shotgun, the biggest malfunction, or the most common malfunction people have is called short-shocking, where essentially they don't run the action hard enough.

00:05:12.000 You have to do that after every round.

00:05:13.000 AR-15, you don't.

00:05:15.000 Right.

00:05:15.000 It's one of those things.

00:05:15.000 Yeah.

00:05:16.000 Every single woman I've taken it goes, wow, that is surprisingly easy to shoot because they're thinking, uh, well, I guess I believe what they've been told that it's this unbelievable unwieldy rifle. 1.00

00:05:25.000 Um, and it couldn't be further from the truth, which brings us to another, this one's a fun myth.

00:05:29.000 You, you were laughing.

00:05:30.000 We're going over this myth number six.

00:05:33.000 I don't know how common it is, but I have run into people who believe it, and we certainly know that former Vice President Biden believes it.

00:05:40.000 The myth is that 9mm blows the lung out of the body.

00:05:45.000 A 9mm bullet blows the lung out of the body.

00:05:51.000 Okay, here's the truth.

00:05:52.000 Uh, no.

00:05:57.000 No, it's simply not true.

00:05:58.000 Yes, I mean, we'll get into it more, but, um, Incorrect.

00:06:03.000 Yes.

00:06:04.000 Completely.

00:06:05.000 But, uh, I mean, okay, I should clarify.

00:06:08.000 It would be possible for maybe a portion of one's lung to be carried.

00:06:14.000 I mean, if you're, if for, if it's like two babies get into a gunfight, that might be possible.

00:06:19.000 Right.

00:06:20.000 But a grown adult, the idea that a nine millimeter would blow a lung out of a body, this is someone, again, who It's either gross incompetence or it is absolute dishonesty.

00:06:29.000 I'll give you concrete evidence for that.

00:06:32.000 Tupac was shot in the lung and had to have it surgically removed afterwards.

00:06:37.000 And he was shot with a 9mm.

00:06:38.000 Really?

00:06:39.000 Yes.

00:06:39.000 So his lung was still in his body and had to be removed afterwards.

00:06:43.000 So there you go.

00:06:43.000 Wow.

00:06:44.000 If Joe Biden was right, they could have skipped a step.

00:06:46.000 Indeed.

00:06:47.000 It would have already been out.

00:06:47.000 Indeed.

00:06:48.000 And here's something else, too, that I think you should know about.

00:06:51.000 Look, the 9mm, as a matter of fact, so 9mm has become ubiquitous.

00:06:55.000 It's become far more popular.

00:06:56.000 Would we say that it sort of took the place of other calibers after the famous Miami shootout?

00:07:04.000 The 1986 Miami shootout, yeah.

00:07:05.000 1986 Miami shootout, where before that, police officers were often carrying either revolvers, often in .357, right?

00:07:11.000 Or they would carry often Colt 1911s, you know, variants therein, which would be .45.

00:07:16.000 Correct.

00:07:17.000 Now, to be clear, both a .357 Magnum and a .45 ACP are significantly more powerful rounds.

00:07:29.000 .357 for sure.

00:07:30.000 It's inarguable.

00:07:30.000 For sure.

00:07:31.000 And .45, obviously, people will say with modern ballistics, it's more comparable, but it's a much heavier bullet traveling.

00:07:36.000 Historically, .45, .357, these are seen as more powerful rounds.

00:07:40.000 9mm sort of became the round of choice because it is effective enough while still being controllable and can be in a package that could include a capacity like, for example, a Glock, a Walther, some of the modern firearms.

00:07:55.000 SIG just got a military contract.

00:07:57.000 My preference is Walther.

00:07:58.000 Thanks to them for sponsoring the studio.

00:08:00.000 Where you have something that's controllable, Effective enough kind of minimum effective dose right and it also has minimal recoil as well So you can get your follow-up shots faster.

00:08:09.000 So with handguns we talked about incapacitation in the previous video and With handguns, you don't want to count on a one-shot stop because it's highly unlikely You want to put as many rounds on target as quickly as possible until the threat stops essentially so nine millimeter allows you to do that easier than the other cartridges simply because they have more recoil and Right.

00:08:28.000 And I think, this seems like remedial, I know we'll have people in the, and believe me, I understand where you're coming from and I appreciate you, if you're a firearm enthusiast, and everyone knows that 9mm doesn't blow, but not everybody knows that.

00:08:38.000 They don't.

00:08:38.000 A lot of people have only heard 9mm referred to in, you know, hip-hop songs about violence.

00:08:44.000 And they hear 9mm and they think that it's this show style.

00:08:47.000 I mean, when I played Goldeneye as a kid, I thought that the golden gun, which I think was just a Luger, if I'm not mistaken.

00:08:53.000 I'm not sure.

00:08:53.000 I don't know, but I thought that was the most powerful, the most powerful gun in existence.

00:08:57.000 Unfortunately, in a lot of other countries as well, 9mm is banned because it's a quote-unquote military cartridge.

00:09:03.000 So a lot of people have that perception as well.

00:09:05.000 Like there's a lot of countries that 380 is very popular for civilian use because 9mm is banned.

00:09:10.000 And I'll get them in my comments saying, oh, 9mm is so much more powerful than other rounds.

00:09:14.000 And I'm like, what are you talking about?

00:09:16.000 But that's where it comes from.

00:09:17.000 You'll run into people like that.

00:09:18.000 They'll say, no one needs an AR-15.

00:09:21.000 Or they'll say, I've heard people say, no one needs a 9mm.

00:09:24.000 Just get a shot.

00:09:24.000 Right.

00:09:25.000 Do you have any idea how much more lethal buckshot is from a 12-gauge and a 9-millimeter?

00:09:31.000 It's not even close.

00:09:32.000 I mean, it's essentially 8, 9, 9 millimeters at once, almost.

00:09:36.000 They're slightly smaller, but it's pretty darn close.

00:09:38.000 Right.

00:09:39.000 And so people say, well, it's round.

00:09:40.000 We get it.

00:09:41.000 The point is, it's like...

00:09:44.000 At least a handful of 9mm coming out.

00:09:46.000 This idea that a shotgun is controllable?

00:09:49.000 The idea that it's not as lethal?

00:09:49.000 No.

00:09:51.000 At close range, it could very easily be argued it's the most lethal.

00:09:55.000 Of common firearms, within 25 yards, no doubt, 12 gauge is the most lethal.

00:10:01.000 It's just that you're most familiar with it.

00:10:03.000 And so they want to keep you disconnected.

00:10:05.000 They want to keep you unfamiliar with it.

00:10:07.000 They want 9mm to be something that's scary off in the distance.

00:10:11.000 Your double barrel or pump shotgun, 12 gauge shotgun, is far more deadly, far more difficult to control, and certainly more scary to a home intruder.

00:10:20.000 So that's why there's nothing wrong with it.

00:10:22.000 If you like your pump shotgun, go ahead and keep it.

00:10:24.000 I don't recommend shooting it into the air.

00:10:26.000 Yeah.

00:10:27.000 I think you have to do it off your porch, if I remember correctly.

00:10:30.000 Yes.

00:10:31.000 That is the recommended technique.

00:10:32.000 Yes.

00:10:33.000 It's like, hey, hold on a second.

00:10:33.000 Isn't it funny?

00:10:35.000 When we talk about, you know, these surreptitious recordings, it's like, well, former Vice President Biden advocated a crime.

00:10:41.000 Literally.

00:10:42.000 On camera.

00:10:44.000 as advice. It could be multiple crimes too, depending on where you live, not just firing

00:10:48.000 the gun, but firing it in a residential area. Yeah, in the air. Right. It has to come down.

00:10:52.000 Yes. It's not the Middle East. No. And this brings us to another myth, and we did the

00:10:57.000 ballistics video, which you can click the link and go watch that. You hear this a lot. I don't,

00:11:02.000 I don't want to throw them under the bus, but even Pops Crowder believed this when I was young and I

00:11:09.000 He said, well, you know what?

00:11:10.000 Actually that the 22 will bounce around the skull like a ping pong ball because it's so small.

00:11:16.000 And here's the truth.

00:11:18.000 No.

00:11:19.000 Now, it wouldn't really matter if you didn't have some people.

00:11:24.000 I've had people in follow up with, that's why I carry a 22.

00:11:27.000 Right.

00:11:27.000 Because I pointed at their face and it's going to be like a pinball machine.

00:11:31.000 Right.

00:11:32.000 Now, I don't know where it comes from.

00:11:34.000 Whether or not it was because the mob like to use silence 22s for certain hits or something like that

00:11:40.000 I have no idea, but it's absolutely not true the 22 performs like every other bullet just smaller and lighter

00:11:44.000 But yeah, there's no bouncing around they can curve they can yaw

00:11:49.000 But bounce no yeah, or bouncing or sometimes what people will refer to is if they can tumble which means you know if

00:11:55.000 it goes In it might do a little bit of do a little bit of this

00:11:58.000 action I don't know how much you can, I don't have a monitor, see on camera, where it does a little bit of this, but any, any, any bullet can do that.

00:12:04.000 Correct, and they'll do it more, in fact.

00:12:05.000 Right.

00:12:06.000 Larger calibers.

00:12:07.000 But a lot of people believe, let me ask you, comment below, did you believe that one?

00:12:11.000 A lot of people did, and then, did you ever just go through the basic The basic noggin test, where you go, hold on a second, okay, basically there's brain, think of a bunch of jello in your head, right, and some solid, depending, in my case it's mostly jello, and it's bouncing off a skull, which would be moist, so it's not that much of sort of a ricochet, you know, ricocheting surface, and it would bounce back through jello and, you know, relatively hard matter,

00:12:39.000 Back again, of course it makes no sense and it defies physics, but you have a lot of people who believe it and that's because of, sometimes, such an irrational fear of firearms that people choose to believe myths because they don't want to be bothered to do research.

00:12:52.000 Right.

00:12:53.000 It's also a funny one.

00:12:55.000 It is.

00:12:56.000 But it's, yes, completely debunked.

00:12:59.000 And something else, I guess, that we could probably touch on at this kind of same point in time, the myth that, well, actually, the .22 is the most deadly round.

00:13:06.000 Because at some point in time, there were more deaths from the .22 than other calibers, and that's just because it was the caliber that most people had.

00:13:14.000 Right.

00:13:15.000 .22 is still extremely popular and probably I don't have the data on this.

00:13:20.000 I'm making it up.

00:13:21.000 But up until two or three decades ago, it was probably the most common caliber in America in terms of firearms owned.

00:13:26.000 Yeah.

00:13:27.000 I mean, because everyone gets a 22 to either do like critter maintenance.

00:13:32.000 You know, you have critters around the house that you don't want or you want to train your kid or you want to cheaply hunt.

00:13:38.000 And there's a lot of small game that can be hunted effectively with 22.

00:13:41.000 So I know a lot of people I know grew up Yeah.

00:13:44.000 Like, literally walking the woods with a .22.

00:13:46.000 Yeah.

00:13:47.000 I mean, today, I don't know if it would be enough, considering that, you know, you have people, uh... I mean, they're drag shows for kids.

00:13:47.000 So.

00:13:47.000 Yeah.

00:13:54.000 My point is, you have no idea what's lurking around the woods at this point.

00:13:58.000 I'm not so much worried about four-legged animals.

00:14:00.000 I'm worried about, you know, if you see a paneled van, I would say, you know, 9mm or higher.

00:14:05.000 Yeah, I agree with that.

00:14:07.000 Don't take it that seriously, YouTube.

00:14:09.000 All right, something else.

00:14:11.000 This came from actually Nancy, and she's a very, very smart woman, but we just sort of compiled these from what people here actually believe, and she had heard, this is myth number four, that the .22 caliber has a lot or a disproportionate number of spontaneous firings that it's more likely to accidentally discharge.

00:14:26.000 Have you run into this?

00:14:27.000 A lot of people believe in that?

00:14:28.000 I've heard it.

00:14:30.000 I don't think there's any truth to it at all.

00:14:32.000 The only way that I could think it might have proliferated is that there just was more 22s. 0.91

00:14:38.000 Right.

00:14:38.000 But other than that, no.

00:14:40.000 22, for folks that don't know, is a rimfire cartridge.

00:14:43.000 So most of the cartridges that we're talking about are center fired, meaning they have to be struck in the center of the back of the cartridge, whereas 22 doesn't.

00:14:50.000 But I can't see how being a rimfire cartridge would cause a discharge.

00:14:55.000 Yeah, well, what is true is typically because it's rimfire, right, it's easier to mass produce, and so you end up with significantly lower quality ammo.

00:15:01.000 That is absolutely true.

00:15:02.000 This could maybe be true if in a fit of frustration from having another non-discharging at all .22, which is very common, you smack your piece of crap gun saying fire, and it accidentally discharges. 0.97

00:15:14.000 Yeah, maybe, but that is true. 0.77

00:15:15.000 With rimfires, a lot of Well, there's a lot of reasons I don't recommend rimfires for self-defense, but that is one of them.

00:15:22.000 They're definitely less reliable in terms of ignition of the powder.

00:15:25.000 We were pretty surprised with the ballistics results with that.

00:15:27.000 We had a .22 that penetrated 16 inches out of a pistol.

00:15:31.000 And tumbled a little bit.

00:15:33.000 Yes.

00:15:33.000 Kind of a surprising wound channel.

00:15:35.000 Very surprising.

00:15:35.000 So Federal makes a round called Punch .22, which is designed for that very use.

00:15:40.000 And they charge a ton of money for it.

00:15:42.000 It's super expensive and it performs just like that.

00:15:45.000 So to see that with just common ammo.

00:15:47.000 Did we ever find out what that Is that right?

00:15:48.000 I feel like it was very old, like from the 80s or something.

00:15:51.000 Winchester Super X. Winchester Super X, we're being told, is what it was.

00:15:55.000 We cannot confirm, nor deny, just to be clear, but all of us... I think we were like, was that 22 Magnum?

00:16:01.000 Is that just a basic?

00:16:02.000 I think we said, are these the Mini Mags or something?

00:16:02.000 Really?

00:16:05.000 And then we were like, no, it's just an old... Someone went, let me check!

00:16:09.000 Like the never ending story blew off the dust.

00:16:10.000 I was like, oh no, it's just these.

00:16:12.000 Yeah.

00:16:13.000 I don't want to disparage it, but not too impressive, I guess, to people in the know.

00:16:18.000 There you go.

00:16:19.000 There you go.

00:16:20.000 Here's a myth.

00:16:20.000 Um, okay.

00:16:23.000 That you really wanted.

00:16:24.000 And you'd think it would be done with the ballistics test that we did.

00:16:27.000 I'd recommend go click that video.

00:16:29.000 And I'm sorry, I love him.

00:16:30.000 He's a great, but Brian Callen believed this one.

00:16:32.000 Right.

00:16:33.000 And it's because, and you know this, someone said, someone told him who was former Special Forces, that part is true.

00:16:37.000 Said all you need, and this is myth number three, all you need for home defense is birdshot.

00:16:37.000 Of course.

00:16:43.000 But I didn't know that if you're defending your hold with a shotgun, the formula dictates that you're supposed to buy both boxes.

00:16:49.000 This was not a formula that I was familiar with.

00:16:51.000 It goes like this.

00:16:52.000 There's six shots in a 12-gauge shotgun, so when you load the gun, you load it like this.

00:16:57.000 First shot, bird shot.

00:16:58.000 Next shot, buck shot. 0.77

00:17:00.000 Bird shot, and then after that, gun's Jamaican. 0.98

00:17:03.000 Buck shot, buck shot, buck shot.

00:17:05.000 How often do you hear people say that? All the time and I'll just go out there on a limb and say

00:17:10.000 special operators rarely using birdshot. Right. It's just not a thing. Yeah. But yeah, people do

00:17:16.000 say it all the time and one of the things that they recommend it for is a lack of quote-unquote

00:17:20.000 over penetration for a home defense type scenario like i.e.

00:17:23.000 you don't want your bullets to go through the walls into your neighbor's house or something

00:17:27.000 like that. Right. And to be fair.

00:17:28.000 I don't want that either. It's not going to over penetrate because it's not even going to penetrate.

00:17:32.000 Yes!

00:17:34.000 So I think the gel test we did, the pellets were between three and six inches total.

00:17:41.000 Like six was max and that wasn't a lot of them.

00:17:44.000 And that's gel test, you know, you're not, I mean, keeping in mind like someone's wearing a jacket.

00:17:48.000 It looked like a sesame seed bagel.

00:17:50.000 Literally.

00:17:51.000 Literally.

00:17:51.000 So yeah, the FBI recommends anywhere between 12 to 18 inches of penetration for reliable quote-unquote stops.

00:17:51.000 Yeah.

00:18:00.000 And yeah, it's obviously nowhere near that, not even close.

00:18:03.000 And I argue often that if you're talking about penetration and what you actually want for most shooting scenarios, particularly civilian shooting scenarios, i.e.

00:18:12.000 law enforcement are not military.

00:18:14.000 You want to err on the side of a little bit more penetration

00:18:18.000 than a little bit less.

00:18:19.000 Reasons for that, people are getting fatter, number one.

00:18:22.000 There's that, it's very real.

00:18:23.000 You have to penetrate further to hit the vitals.

00:18:25.000 And then- Oh my gosh, if you look at,

00:18:27.000 just now I'm gonna say figuratively, but like half the Victoria's Secret models,

00:18:30.000 they probably wouldn't even feel birdshot.

00:18:31.000 Right, literally, it wouldn't reach any of their organs at all.

00:18:35.000 And it's sad, but it's true.

00:18:35.000 No.

00:18:36.000 Yeah.

00:18:37.000 I mean, think about what?

00:18:38.000 Have you guys actually seen fat when they actually show you fat?

00:18:41.000 We did that in high school.

00:18:42.000 And if they do that, this is what five pounds of fat looks like.

00:18:44.000 This is what five pounds of muscle looks like.

00:18:45.000 It's very similar to the ballistics gelatin.

00:18:47.000 The birdshot would very easily get caught in six inches of fat.

00:18:50.000 Yep, for sure.

00:18:52.000 Yeah.

00:18:53.000 So there's just I highly.

00:18:55.000 And clothes too.

00:18:56.000 Right.

00:18:56.000 I was about to say jackets.

00:18:57.000 Winter clothes.

00:18:58.000 Heavy jackets, depending on where you live.

00:19:00.000 Right.

00:19:00.000 I mean, there's stories of confirmed stories from uh the korean war where the chinese

00:19:06.000 jackets stopped some of the 30 caliber bullets that were being shot by american soldiers yeah um

00:19:11.000 so that's a 30 caliber bullet we're not talking about birdshot you know i mean what's birdshot

00:19:16.000 gonna do it's not gonna get close clear i hate to do this no one here is saying that their

00:19:21.000 jackets were bulletproof No.

00:19:24.000 What we are saying is that it added complications if they had winter coats, they had those jackets which were very, you know, tightly woven.

00:19:30.000 Correct.

00:19:31.000 And most of those were M1 carbines to be clear, which is a not very powerful round for a rifle.

00:19:37.000 And there was distance involved so the bullets weren't going fast.

00:19:40.000 There's factors there.

00:19:41.000 We're not saying it.

00:19:43.000 What we're saying is it didn't penetrate deep enough to cause the kind of wound that you would need.

00:19:47.000 To cause the soldier to stop.

00:19:48.000 Cause a soldier to stop.

00:19:49.000 Just because you know people are going to try.

00:19:51.000 I do, I know.

00:19:51.000 I shouldn't have brought that up.

00:19:52.000 No, but I understand exactly what you're talking about.

00:19:55.000 And this is one of those things too.

00:19:57.000 The birdshot.

00:19:57.000 So we have these numbers.

00:19:58.000 We had several portions of the birdshot only going three inches.

00:20:01.000 The majority of it.

00:20:02.000 Yeah, the majority of it.

00:20:03.000 It's from the ballistics video, which I think we're playing for you now.

00:20:07.000 The average is six inches.

00:20:08.000 And then with 12 gauge, when you're talking about buckshot, 21 inches and that's a significant difference and that's

00:20:16.000 double a buckshot to be clear.

00:20:17.000 So for folks that don't don't know double up buckshot is relatively large projectiles

00:20:21.000 for shotguns.

00:20:22.000 Uh, they make other buckshot loads like they make a number one buckshot and then number

00:20:26.000 four buckshot as well, which are smaller but still have that buckshot effect of penetration.

00:20:31.000 So um, if somebody is looking at that number of average of 21 inches, let's say, and they're

00:20:36.000 like, oh, that's a lot of penetration.

00:20:37.000 I'm not comfortable with it.

00:20:39.000 I recommend going down to either number one buckshot.

00:20:41.000 You're going to take, on average, two to three inches of penetration off.

00:20:46.000 Number four will take about another two to three inches of penetration off and still give you good lethality and not risk what we saw with birdshot.

00:20:54.000 Why do you think this is so good?

00:20:55.000 This is one that is very common.

00:20:56.000 I can't tell you how many people have said, you know, I just keep birdshot in my shotgun.

00:20:59.000 It's extremely common.

00:21:00.000 That's fantastic for home defense.

00:21:02.000 Why do you think it's so common?

00:21:06.000 I think it's people, number one, not understanding ballistics.

00:21:10.000 There's that.

00:21:11.000 Um, and then people use it to hunt birds and the birds die and they're like, Oh, that must work well on people.

00:21:16.000 And that's just not the case.

00:21:18.000 I remember when I first heard that, I thought, and I didn't know much about firearms back then, and I've never been bird hunting.

00:21:23.000 I thought, Oh, well, I guess that guy's gone.

00:21:25.000 And it's, it was really more of a nuisance.

00:21:27.000 Right?

00:21:27.000 He was fine.

00:21:28.000 He apologized for Dick Cheney.

00:21:29.000 He apologized to Dick Cheney!

00:21:31.000 Correct.

00:21:31.000 Which, I don't know how that happened, but when we were talking about this, we were saying, yeah, this myth, we were going, and Ginger Snap, who works with us in research, he said, wait, people say Birdshot is, he's from Kansas, he said, my friend was shot with Birdshot and he can still mostly see out of that eye.

00:21:45.000 Oh yeah, there's a video online of a guy, breaks into a house, and it's like,

00:21:50.000 unfortunately it's a woman, shoots him with birdshot. 0.99

00:21:53.000 He, at the time, is maybe five yards away. 0.97

00:21:56.000 He runs towards her, grabs a gun, and hits her in the head with it.

00:22:00.000 So he was completely not impacted by it at all.

00:22:03.000 And I know what some people say, well yeah, I bet you don't wanna be standing in front of my,

00:22:07.000 no one's saying that we wanna be shot with birdshot, but add PCP to the mix, right?

00:22:11.000 Add some kind of a thick coat.

00:22:14.000 And by the way, I do think that with birdshot, a few layers and a thick coat.

00:22:17.000 Oh, it'll stop it. Yeah.

00:22:18.000 It will. Which would stop it.

00:22:20.000 I mean, I used to cheat in paintball, where we would put on more so that it wouldn't hurt

00:22:22.000 so you'd feel invincible.

00:22:23.000 Obviously, paintball's not as severe as birdshot.

00:22:25.000 But it's not even close, just to be clear.

00:22:28.000 This is a very pervasive myth.

00:22:29.000 Birdshot is not an adequate choice for home defense.

00:22:33.000 If you disagree, please comment below.

00:22:36.000 And hit like if you don't like that people disagree.

00:22:39.000 Yeah, I was gonna say, if you disagree, Yes, you're wrong.

00:22:42.000 To be clear, there's room.

00:22:45.000 For example, we were talking about .380.

00:22:47.000 Now some people argue, and I understand why they're both sides of this, with modern ammunition that you can get a .380 in a hollow point that can penetrate deeply enough to effectively expand.

00:22:57.000 But, historically, there was a strong case to be made, and some still can make it, with .380, that using ball ammo, meaning basic ammo that is not a hollow point, is a better idea because you run the risk of underpenetration.

00:23:08.000 There are discussions like that, that I think both sides have valid points.

00:23:12.000 There is nothing valid about birdshot for home defense.

00:23:15.000 I agree.

00:23:16.000 I agree.

00:23:17.000 Unless you're being attacked by Canadian geese, and that does happen.

00:23:20.000 It actually happens where I live a lot.

00:23:22.000 One of my neighbor's kids was actually mauled by a Canadian goose.

00:23:25.000 That's a horrible way to go.

00:23:26.000 He's alive, but he had a bunch of plastic surgery on his face.

00:23:30.000 It was sad.

00:23:31.000 Yeah, because they grab and they shake.

00:23:34.000 That's the thing.

00:23:35.000 People think they don't have teeth, but it's like a vice grip and then they shake.

00:23:39.000 Yeah, his son was about two.

00:23:40.000 It was not good.

00:23:41.000 You know what's horrible with it?

00:23:43.000 Joe Louis is even afraid of them.

00:23:44.000 My dog, one time he was running, we were at a lake in Oklahoma, and he was running, there were three Canadian geese, and he just kind of ran up, and then they all just spread their wings, and he was like, I don't even want to anyway, and he ran off.

00:23:54.000 But he saved his face.

00:23:55.000 I'm good.

00:23:56.000 Yeah.

00:23:56.000 So, keep one rifle for the Canadian geese.

00:23:59.000 They're not endangered.

00:24:00.000 I don't care.

00:24:00.000 I don't think so.

00:24:01.000 Shoot the Canadian geese. 0.98

00:24:03.000 But it's something else for non-geese related miscreants. 1.00

00:24:08.000 Peter's gonna love that.

00:24:08.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:24:09.000 I don't care.

00:24:11.000 And don't get me started on the burrowing owl.

00:24:13.000 Oh gosh, you spend time in Florida, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

00:24:16.000 Yes, I do.

00:24:16.000 Alright, this brings us to myth number two while we're on shotguns.

00:24:20.000 Um, that you don't need to aim them.

00:24:22.000 So, Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, or walk out, put that double-barrel shotgun, and fire two blasts outside the house.

00:24:33.000 I promise you, whoever's coming in is not gonna... You don't need an AR-15.

00:24:37.000 It's harder to aim, it's harder to use, and in fact, you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself.

00:24:45.000 Buy a shotgun.

00:24:47.000 Buy a shotgun. There you go. Just, I mean, first off, that doesn't even really necessarily apply

00:24:52.000 the Biden clip applying here. It's just funny. We want to roll again. But, you know, because

00:24:56.000 if you're firing in the air, you wouldn't be aiming at anything. Right. Maybe the voice is in your head.

00:25:01.000 But, but if you are actually dealing with an attacker, we'll say aim it in the general

00:25:07.000 vicinity. And I've heard this a lot. And it's it's fine.

00:25:09.000 Do it from the hip, right here, like the old lady in Bugs Bunny. 0.94

00:25:11.000 Or just point it down the hallway.

00:25:13.000 Right, yes, exactly.

00:25:16.000 The truth... The truth is, it really depends on the load you're using and the type of shotgun, but as a general rule, sort of a baseline to go off of a buckshot is going to

00:25:27.000 expand in terms of the group pattern at about one inch for every yard.

00:25:31.000 Now you can change that with different chokes, you can change it with different ammunition

00:25:35.000 that's designed to spread less or spread more, but with a, it's called a cylinder bore, which

00:25:41.000 is like your standard Remington 870 home defense gun has.

00:25:45.000 With that, you can expect a spread of about an inch at every yard, which means at 10 yards, which is pretty far for a home defense shooting.

00:25:52.000 For a home defense, it'd be pretty far.

00:25:53.000 I mean, if you live in the house in the shining.

00:25:54.000 Right, exactly.

00:25:56.000 I mean, that's this much on your chest, right?

00:25:58.000 And that's at 10 yards.

00:25:59.000 So you definitely have to aim.

00:26:01.000 Yeah.

00:26:01.000 Not only would you have to aim, but again, if you're talking about the risk of, you know, walls, obviously.

00:26:05.000 Some could argue you'd want to be more accurate to make sure that you're not off-center.

00:26:08.000 But this idea that it's going to be... Remember when, in the old Bugs Bunny, I don't know how many times I've referenced Bugs Bunny, the old cartoons was like the bees would turn into one big giant bee and they'd think that that's what a shotgun is.

00:26:20.000 Like, at five yards, it's a stop sign.

00:26:22.000 No.

00:26:22.000 Of death, and it's not even close.

00:26:25.000 And honestly, you don't want it to be.

00:26:26.000 No!

00:26:26.000 So, for lethality, you want them to be closer together, for sure.

00:26:29.000 That's why, as I mentioned, a lot of people will add chokes, and a choke basically is just a screw-in device that screws into the end of your barrel, and it forces the rounds to come together as they exit, so that way they stay in a tighter pattern.

00:26:43.000 Right.

00:26:43.000 So, a lot of people use that for that very reason, to keep them tighter, because a lot of cases, that's what you want.

00:26:49.000 Home defense, I would argue, that's what you want.

00:26:51.000 Now to be fair, going back to the birdshot, which we hate, aside from Canadian geese, that's a much wider spread.

00:26:57.000 It is.

00:26:57.000 Because there's so many projectiles.

00:26:58.000 Correct.

00:26:59.000 But again, it also depends on the joke as well.

00:27:01.000 Right, but a typical birdshot, let's say at 10 yards, compared to... Will spread more.

00:27:05.000 That would be, I mean, if buckshot, let's say, would this be about fair for buckshot, like you were saying, something like that?

00:27:10.000 Maybe a little bit more.

00:27:11.000 At 10 yards, what would birdshot Yeah, you're gonna add about... Might be a stop sign.

00:27:17.000 About a third, I'd say.

00:27:18.000 33% at least.

00:27:20.000 Yeah.

00:27:20.000 But again, it varies a lot by the round you're using, but it definitely... All things being equal, which they never are, birdshot will spread more.

00:27:27.000 It doesn't matter though, because it's still just birdshot.

00:27:28.000 Correct.

00:27:30.000 Who cares about that?

00:27:32.000 Oh, you know what?

00:27:33.000 I guess... Oh, okay.

00:27:34.000 We do have a plus one in here.

00:27:36.000 All right.

00:27:36.000 But first, before that, the number one, and this is one Look, thanks to everyone who served their country, to be clear, okay?

00:27:45.000 We appreciate it.

00:27:47.000 You are more of a man or woman than myself.

00:27:49.000 I mean, I was raised in Canada, so I couldn't really serve here, but thank you.

00:27:52.000 However, This myth that we hear quite a bit is that oh mil spec means it's the best or mil spec means it's superior where sometimes it's just used it's used as a marketing term correct it's used as a marketing term but it's also a baseline standard exactly that's really what it is for military weapons and a lot of folks

00:28:11.000 like competitive shooters, for example, that have these $3,000 race guns,

00:28:14.000 they're always like, don't call my gun Mil-Spec, that's trash, they get offended.

00:28:19.000 So, but yeah, Mil-Spec is literally what it says, it's the military specification for a given item.

00:28:26.000 So on the AR-15, it's the specification for the barrel, it's the specification for the receiver,

00:28:30.000 it's the specification for the stock, et cetera.

00:28:33.000 So that's what Mil-Spec means.

00:28:34.000 Now, it can be a good baseline, if you don't know anything,

00:28:38.000 and you buy something that's Mil-Spec, quote unquote, you know, at least it's been tested

00:28:44.000 to a certain standard, right?

00:28:45.000 So I'm not saying Mil-Spec's bad, but it doesn't mean that it's better than anything for sure.

00:28:50.000 Well, you will get some people, you know, again, thank you to everyone who served, but then you'll get the sometimes people who are referred to as vet bros, like, no, no, I only use this mil spec and they'll make fun of someone else.

00:28:58.000 Well, hold on a second, actually, like you're saying, that's the minimum baseline of quality.

00:29:02.000 But even by the way, some things that are mil spec, soldiers in some cases, especially special forces, they will level up and get something that's better than basic.

00:29:09.000 I was just about to say that.

00:29:10.000 So a lot of like, take the AR-15, for example.

00:29:14.000 A lot of the current changes that are happening with the air pattern guns in the military are coming from the three-gun world and the competitive world.

00:29:22.000 So like, for example, now they're adding longer handguards, free-float handguards to enable shooters to basically shoot them better, more proficiently.

00:29:32.000 Those are not mil spec, but because they're being adopted by units and being tested by units now

00:29:37.000 For example, the latest one has been the URGI, which is the upper receiver

00:29:43.000 Improvement I believe that's what it stands for But I had a UTI. Yeah. Yeah, just drink some cranberry.

00:29:51.000 That's about say yeah, so but the URGI I think it's another big ploy just just by big ocean spray

00:29:56.000 Is that a thing? Yeah, it's big big cranberry big cranberry But the URGI

00:30:02.000 Basically, it's been adopted by lots of military units now and all of the influence on it has come from competitive

00:30:10.000 shooting Just to make it faster. So the mil spec is

00:30:13.000 Number one, evolving.

00:30:15.000 And it's evolving because sometimes, not always, there's better than mil-spec, so why not make that the new mil-spec, right?

00:30:23.000 And I don't necessarily know how standardized it is, where sometimes people will slap it in a magazine ad or sometimes online.

00:30:30.000 The point is, don't just look for that term and think that you have your bases covered, right?

00:30:36.000 Great firearms out there that wouldn't probably just list mil-spec, and there's some not-so-great firearms that have been marketing themselves and using the term mil-spec.

00:30:42.000 So that's why we wanted to address that, because you will have some people say, hey, I know mil-spec.

00:30:47.000 I also know birdshot.

00:30:49.000 We have a plus one here, but you know, the plus one is you should never dry fire your weapon, and I don't know that's not Not true, unless you have an older school revolver where it's a firing pin.

00:30:58.000 Right, or rimfire guns.

00:30:59.000 Right, or rimfire guns. 0.99

00:31:00.000 But the plus one that I wanted to address is kind of continuing on, but it wasn't really like a myth that's that pervasive, but you hear it a lot and it's stupid and it bothers me.

00:31:11.000 This is just sort of, I guess, let's call it the amalgamate of a lot of these other myths that then people become married to, where you'll hear, for example, and this is with the military culture a little bit, say, I carry my gun Israeli style. 0.80

00:31:22.000 Oh, God.

00:31:22.000 Here we go.

00:31:22.000 Because if it's good enough for the IDF, it's good enough for me.

00:31:27.000 Now, to be clear, Israeli style means carrying a handgun, right? 0.92

00:31:31.000 With empty chamber.

00:31:33.000 Empty chamber.

00:31:33.000 And a full magazine.

00:31:34.000 And a full magazine.

00:31:35.000 Meaning, before you get into some kind of an active shooting scenario, you would have to rack that slide.

00:31:43.000 Now, it is technically true that many members of the Israeli military carry this way.

00:31:52.000 And many do not, just to be clear.

00:31:53.000 Right, and many do not.

00:31:55.000 But the reason that it's even permissible in that scenario, just to be clear, is because a lot of people hear IDF.

00:32:00.000 And again, Thank you, Jews, for all that you do.

00:32:04.000 And IDF, like, I get it.

00:32:05.000 Somebody's gonna cut that clip.

00:32:07.000 Thank you, Jews, for all that you do.

00:32:08.000 Thank you, IDF. 0.76

00:32:09.000 Badass Jews, we get it. 1.00

00:32:11.000 And by the way, the intel that they have is unbelievable, okay? 0.99

00:32:14.000 It is.

00:32:15.000 But you also have to understand, like we said with MilSpec, meaning a baseline of quality, you know, you do have people, it's mandatory, right, to go into the Israeli military.

00:32:23.000 The reason that they have to have someone carried Israeli-style with an empty chamber is because it's going to be carried literally by Gal Gadot.

00:32:31.000 Not because it's the most effective way to be ready for an armed conflict, but because you want to make sure that people who have no business being in the military, and I don't know if she could have been a great soldier, I have no idea.

00:32:41.000 I don't either.

00:32:42.000 But there are plenty of people who have no business being in the military who do find themselves in the Israeli military, so it's, look, Just carry it with an empty chamber and the safety on. 0.57

00:32:50.000 You're probably never going to use it anyway.

00:32:52.000 And, you know, don't brush your hair with it.

00:32:53.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:32:55.000 And I obviously carrying it that way is better than not carrying anything.

00:33:00.000 But to assume that you're going to have two hands available in a self-defense situation is an assumption I don't want to make.

00:33:06.000 Right.

00:33:07.000 Because it's very possible that you won't.

00:33:09.000 Right.

00:33:10.000 So, yeah, not a big fan of IDF style.

00:33:13.000 And to your point, it's not recommended because it's good.

00:33:17.000 Right.

00:33:17.000 It's kind of recommended because it's just super safe.

00:33:21.000 Right.

00:33:21.000 And everyone's afraid of the guy with the gun.

00:33:23.000 This happens a lot for people with liability, right?

00:33:25.000 For example, these are other myths that you can make, like, oh, having your firearm, and this depends too, if you get, you get the wrong judge in this country.

00:33:31.000 Was your firearm in a biometric safe?

00:33:34.000 Here's the truth.

00:33:35.000 Biometrics, right, fingerprint safes, some of them are far easier to hack and Jimmy open than, uh, than other forms of, of, Well, other safes, and by the way, there's some, I don't know what you call those where it's different, like a speed, like you kind of have to hit certain things at the same time.

00:33:47.000 It's not biometric, but... Oh, I know what you're talking about, though.

00:33:53.000 Anyway, it's not a combination safe, but there are all kinds of different safes out there that can be more effective than a biometric safe.

00:33:59.000 For sure.

00:33:59.000 But if you get a judge, they'll say, well, you have kids in the house?

00:34:02.000 Or do you have a biometric safe?

00:34:03.000 It doesn't mean it's the most effective.

00:34:05.000 You have a lot of these myths that are just pervasive that we unfortunately sometimes use as the foundation for law.

00:34:11.000 And people sometimes writing these laws have no idea.

00:34:13.000 In some states do.

00:34:14.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:34:15.000 Past laws like that.

00:34:16.000 Unfortunately, California has Safe Storage Act.

00:34:18.000 There's other There's other states that do as well.

00:34:20.000 And I'm not saying you shouldn't keep your firearms in your safe.

00:34:24.000 By all means, everyone's situation is different.

00:34:27.000 Everyone's children are different, etc.

00:34:28.000 But if you have a gun for home defense, you have to be able to access it.

00:34:33.000 Right. To defend your home. Yes. Right.

00:34:36.000 So, and the quicker you can do it, the better.

00:34:38.000 Somebody kicks your door in, how long do you have to access that gun, right?

00:34:41.000 So, just keep that in mind, I suppose.

00:34:44.000 Well, yeah, so I do have one of the biometric... I have several different safes, but one of them is a biometric safe.

00:34:50.000 And I found, and this is, I actually showed it, it would be considered one of the higher end biometric safes.

00:34:56.000 It works maybe 60% of the time, and here's the problem, it works almost no percent of the time if my finger is sweaty.

00:35:04.000 Which is very likely if someone is at the foot of my bed with a balaclava at 3 in the morning.

00:35:08.000 Yes.

00:35:08.000 I would imagine there'd be some perspiration.

00:35:09.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:35:10.000 Yeah.

00:35:12.000 Biometric safes are sketchy in terms of reliability at this point, maybe one day.

00:35:17.000 And I'm not sure if you've seen it, but they just recently, I mean, like this month.

00:35:22.000 Yeah.

00:35:22.000 First commercially available quote unquote smart gun.

00:35:25.000 Yeah.

00:35:25.000 We'll see how that works out.

00:35:27.000 Yeah.

00:35:27.000 I have my reservations.

00:35:29.000 You're saying it's more of a perhaps a dumb gun. 0.99

00:35:32.000 Yes. 0.99

00:35:34.000 And that's a horrible place, as horrible of a place to end as any.

00:35:37.000 So let's do it.

00:35:38.000 Yes!

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00:36:16.000 I don't really even know.

00:36:17.000 The thing is, this could be running two or three years from now, where the like button doesn't even exist.

00:36:21.000 It's entirely possible.

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GUN WEEK w- Mrgunsngear | Ep 4. Gun Myths Debunked: Chapter 2

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