Louder with Crowder - Hidden Origins of Feminism: Socialists, Polygamists & Con Artists | Ash Wednesday with Rachel Wilson

00:00:57.000 See, to a man, I looked at the right camera.

00:01:00.000 So, Ash, this is one time where we change the set, and I don't have the microphone, though, where we change the set, and I always want to, that's usually my camera, but I'm looking at this camera, but this is not the camera you need to worry about.

00:01:00.000 Yeah.

00:01:10.000 Our guest today is one half of the Wilsons brother-sister act.

00:01:15.000 It's a duo act.

00:01:16.000 She was on Joe Rogan, and a lot of people watched, a lot of people tune in, learned a lot about the history of feminism, rage for patriarchy on X, and her book.

00:01:25.000 You have their occult feminism, The Secret History. 0.99

00:01:28.000 Oh, it's oh, here.

00:01:29.000 I was saying, where's your book?

00:01:29.000 It's right there.

00:01:30.000 Rachel Wilson, how are you?

00:01:31.000 I'm good.

00:01:32.000 How are you?

00:01:33.000 Okay.

00:01:37.000 Am I doing it right?

00:01:38.000 No.

00:01:39.000 You're getting close.

00:01:40.000 All right.

00:01:41.000 Look, I'll learn as we go.

00:01:42.000 This is the first time, actually, we've had a woman on Ash. 0.71

00:01:45.000 You asked me, like, you usually have women?

00:01:47.000 I'm like, I just never really even thought of it.

00:01:48.000 This will make the feminists so mad. 1.00

00:01:51.000 Oh, she thinks she can just do stuff with the boys.

00:01:54.000 Yeah, like Demi Moore and the people.

00:01:55.000 What it picked me.

00:01:56.000 What a pick me.

00:01:57.000 Yeah, that's what they'll do.

00:01:58.000 But the truth is, that did happen.

00:01:59.000 There were a bunch of, remember, it was a big thing for models to smoke cigars? 1.00

00:02:02.000 And they were like, like Christy Brinkley and Demi Moore, like G.I. Jane.

00:02:06.000 And she's like, I just love nothing with the boys.

00:02:08.000 I remember reading in a magazine, like a cigar magazine.

00:02:11.000 I said, what's your favorite cigar?

00:02:12.000 She was like, I really like a torpedo. 1.00

00:02:17.000 That's a shape.

00:02:17.000 A torpedo is a shape of a cigar.

00:02:19.000 It's not an actual brand.

00:02:20.000 It's just like this is a, I don't know, this is like a Churchill.

00:02:24.000 That's a Robusto, just different sizes.

00:02:26.000 They were like, what kind of, what's your favorite gun to carry?

00:02:28.000 And she was like, I like a nine millimeter. 1.00

00:02:30.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:02:31.000 I like a nine millimeter.

00:02:32.000 I like one that I home in my hand.

00:02:35.000 You ever see G.I. Jane?

00:02:37.000 That's a perfect, that's a perfect way to start this off. 1.00

00:02:39.000 What a piece of shit that movie was. 1.00

00:02:40.000 That came out when I was in high school. 1.00

00:02:42.000 Oh.

00:02:43.000 So, yes.

00:02:43.000 Did you believe it?

00:02:44.000 Did you believe when you, when she's like, she puts down her gun?

00:02:47.000 I'm like, okay, with her own sergeant.

00:02:49.000 No, I didn't believe it at all.

00:02:50.000 And here's why.

00:02:51.000 And I think this, this was a big benefit to me growing up.

00:02:54.000 I grew up out in the country on farms with boys.

00:02:57.000 I was a tomboy myself. 0.96

00:02:59.000 And when you grow up in the creek, you know, trying to catch crawfish with boys or they throw you in the shit pits on the farm on the dairy farm or whatever. 0.84

00:03:08.000 You try to go hunting with them and stuff like that.

00:03:11.000 You actually find out that you're very different from the boys and that you cannot do the same things the boys can do in the same way that the boys can do it.

00:03:20.000 Whereas I think if you're like a city girl and you grow up really insulated from that, you really think that you can like, you know, fight a six-foot-two ice agent in the streets of Minneapolis.

00:03:28.000 You watch the ballerina and you're like, it does make just as much sense as John Wick.

00:03:32.000 Basically.

00:03:33.000 It's the same. 0.99

00:03:34.000 But to be fair, I do think you probably fare better in the shit pits than I would because I don't even know what that means. 1.00

00:03:39.000 Oh, is it oh shit? 1.00

00:03:41.000 On dairy farms, there's troughs that run behind all the cows and all of the waste, liquid and solid, just runs down and it goes into a huge pit and then they suck it up and spray it on the cornfields for fertilizer. 1.00

00:03:41.000 Yes. 1.00

00:03:53.000 So you have these huge pits of just cow, pee, and poop that are just sitting there fermenting.

00:03:59.000 And some of my friends thought it would be a really fun, funny thing to do to pick me up and throw me in it.

00:04:05.000 That was good times. 1.00

00:04:06.000 So it's like carry with shit. 1.00

00:04:08.000 Sit up pigs, button. 1.00

00:04:08.000 Yes. 1.00

00:04:09.000 And it's aptly named.

00:04:10.000 It's a little on the nose, but now you learn something new every time.

00:04:14.000 And speaking of learning something new, here we have your book.

00:04:17.000 And hopefully you've been selling a lot of copies since sitting down with Joe.

00:04:21.000 Been doing very well.

00:04:23.000 I think we cracked the top 50 in books overall on Amazon, which is kind of unheard of for a self-published book.

00:04:30.000 Yeah.

00:04:31.000 Isn't that kind of funny, too?

00:04:32.000 You would think it'd be all self-published, but there still are a few kind of major publishers that tend to dominate.

00:04:36.000 Yeah, most of the top 100 is all mainline published stuff, not self-published stuff on Amazon even.

00:04:42.000 So it's pretty crazy.

00:04:44.000 Let me get the generic stuff out of the way as far as, but I do think this is something, it sounds generic, but for people who are tuning in, like I'm sure you run into this.

00:04:53.000 It's kind of old hat for you because you've been doing this for so long.

00:04:56.000 But you must pretty often still run into someone who's just shocked when you deliver the first bits of information like on women's suffrage, the 19th.

00:05:05.000 So for people who may be new, and I can't recommend the book enough.

00:05:08.000 I mean, it's pretty meticulously researched.

00:05:10.000 I know it took you a long, a long time to do.

00:05:13.000 Let's start with this.

00:05:14.000 What do you think, what's the single biggest thing that people, and in particular, women, get wrong about? 1.00

00:05:22.000 Let's start with women's suffrage, the right to vote. 0.98

00:05:24.000 Yeah.

00:05:25.000 What do you think is the biggest misconception?

00:05:27.000 Well, everybody assumes that the reason there was a push to give women suffrage is because women demanded it. 0.65

00:05:34.000 That it was a grassroots thing that women looked around and went, oh my God, we're oppressed. 0.90

00:05:34.000 Right. 0.90

00:05:38.000 We need this good impression of the women, though. 0.73

00:05:38.000 This is terrible. 0.73

00:05:41.000 Yeah.

00:05:41.000 Oh, my God.

00:05:42.000 I know it may sound like lips that touch liquor will never touch ours.

00:05:46.000 Like, oh, your lips that touch wine, she'll never touch mine.

00:05:49.000 Sore-riddled, scurvy lips.

00:05:50.000 Whatever will I do. 0.95

00:05:52.000 Yeah, everybody looked at Susan B. Anthony and they were like, darn, I wish that she, I wish she would, you know, was more into guys. 0.91

00:06:00.000 Yeah, I'm sure everybody was. 1.00

00:06:01.000 I'm sure there was like a token black back then who was like, Susan B. Anthony got fat ass. 1.00

00:06:06.000 Probably. 0.98

00:06:07.000 Actually, a lot of the suffrage movement kind of overlapped with and piggybacked off of like a lot of the blacks' rights, civil rights stuff post-Civil War, which a lot of those people did not appreciate.

00:06:20.000 They were like, why are these rich white, like urban women trying to like throw their plight in with us and act like they're oppressed? 1.00

00:06:27.000 Oh, they always do that.

00:06:28.000 That was when I was at the crop hate with gay marriage. 1.00

00:06:31.000 They're like, it's just like civil rights.

00:06:33.000 And it's like, don't compare the plight, like, because slavery, obviously horrible, obviously wrong.

00:06:38.000 I don't mean that I support reparations, but yes, slavery is objectively bad.

00:06:42.000 Don't compare that to friction.

00:06:44.000 Yes.

00:06:45.000 So they always do that.

00:06:46.000 But let's go back to, because we just, because I got off with a pseudo-Tracy Morgan.

00:06:52.000 Most, so it wasn't coming from women.

00:06:54.000 Yeah.

00:06:54.000 No.

00:06:55.000 Explain to people, because everyone thinks, well, women wanted it and men were like, no.

00:06:59.000 No, so they had a big PR problem throughout the whole, you know, first wave suffrage movement through the 1800s.

00:07:08.000 It was not popular.

00:07:09.000 It was deeply unpopular with all of America, but especially with women.

00:07:13.000 In fact, in the history of women's suffrage, Susan B. Anthony said, and Elizabeth Stady Canton as well said, they said, we'd never get this passed if it was up to women. 0.59

00:07:23.000 If it was just women voting on it, we would never get it passed. 1.00

00:07:26.000 In fact, they had a lot of early referendums in certain states, like in Massachusetts, they had a big one where it was like only 4% of eligible women who could vote in the referendum on whether they wanted the vote on the ballot at all, even bothered to show up. 0.56

00:07:42.000 And the ones that did show up voted for it, but it was like a tiny minority.

00:07:47.000 And every time they would poll or, you know, let women vote in referendums, they would say no.

00:07:54.000 I mean, it was like deeply, deeply unpopular.

00:07:56.000 There was more women who were groups of members of anti-suffrage groups than pro-suffrage groups until like right before the passage of the 19th. 0.98

00:08:04.000 Right.

00:08:05.000 And so it took them like 75 years of non-stop propaganda to even get half of women on board with it.

00:08:13.000 And they had really good reasons.

00:08:14.000 So that was going to be my next question for people who don't know why.

00:08:18.000 Because I remember the first time I heard this, I know we referenced her.

00:08:21.000 Karen Strawn was around, she's Canadian a long time ago in a similar space to what you do. 0.97

00:08:27.000 But she, I mean, I would, and this is not at all slighter.

00:08:30.000 She's great.

00:08:30.000 I highly recommend people check her out, but not as thorough, I would say, in looking at your book.

00:08:35.000 Why?

00:08:36.000 Because it shocks a lot of people as to they go, well, why wouldn't women want the right to vote? 1.00

00:08:40.000 That makes no sense.

00:08:41.000 Yeah, and that's because we look back at history through a presentist lens.

00:08:45.000 We're looking at things that happened 100, 150 years ago through our 2026 eyes with all of our preconceptions about what rights are and about what America is and what democracy looks like and all that sort of thing.

00:08:58.000 But we're talking the mid to late 1800s.

00:09:01.000 Women in the United States already felt that they had kind of a privileged position over men because a lot of states had laws in place. 1.00

00:09:09.000 For example, like New York, if you were a wealthy woman and you entered into marriage, you had a lot of protections for whatever your inheritance was, whatever things you already owned.

00:09:18.000 Yes, women could own stuff. 1.00

00:09:20.000 You always hear this, like, oh, women couldn't own anything. 1.00

00:09:23.000 They weren't real people.

00:09:24.000 They were chained to the stove.

00:09:25.000 They couldn't leave the house.

00:09:27.000 None of them could read.

00:09:28.000 They were all uneducated. 1.00

00:09:29.000 Totally, totally bullshit lies. 1.00

00:09:31.000 None of that's true. 0.99

00:09:32.000 So I carefully debunk all of that in the book, and I use the actual writings of suffragists at the time to prove it.

00:09:39.000 So it's not my opinion.

00:09:41.000 So if you don't like it or you think I'm wrong, you'll have to take it up with, you know, Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton and all of the other prominent suffragists who were writing at the time and saying, we cannot get women on board with this because they already have everything they want, pretty much.

00:09:57.000 They can go to school.

00:09:58.000 There was never any prohibition on women being educated.

00:10:01.000 In fact, most women were more educated than most men in this time period because they were the ones who generally taught children.

00:10:08.000 We didn't have the compulsory public education system yet.

00:10:11.000 So it was usually mothers, ladies in your hometown who were teaching the kids how to read and things like that.

00:10:17.000 Whereas men, usually you're going out to work on the farm or in the coal fields or something like this.

00:10:23.000 The sh pits.

00:10:24.000 Or you're going off to war or something like that. 1.00

00:10:27.000 That's another form of shit pit, but yes. 0.99

00:10:27.000 So boys. 0.99

00:10:29.000 Boys would do like fifth grade.

00:10:31.000 Yeah.

00:10:31.000 Reading, writing, arithmetic.

00:10:32.000 If they can kind of sort of read signs, that's good enough.

00:10:35.000 I still have, I've told the story before.

00:10:37.000 I need to find it.

00:10:38.000 I still have my maternal grandfather's pool cue.

00:10:42.000 He, I think exactly what you just said, I think fifth grade, maybe fourth grade.

00:10:46.000 And he hustled pool halls during the Great Depression to support his family.

00:10:50.000 And I have it, it's one of those screwed together pool cues.

00:10:53.000 It's kind of bent.

00:10:54.000 That's what fed the family.

00:10:55.000 Yeah.

00:10:56.000 And there were women in the family. 1.00

00:10:57.000 They weren't hustling pool.

00:10:58.000 And sometimes, like you said, we're so removed.

00:11:00.000 It's that seventh-day presentist view.

00:11:04.000 Blame Ellen G. White looking back.

00:11:07.000 But yes, that's so they felt privileged.

00:11:12.000 Yes, they felt privileged.

00:11:13.000 They felt like they had a lot of people.

00:11:14.000 I'm kind of devil's advocate just so I know what people are going to say. 0.99

00:11:16.000 There were a couple of Ivy League schools that were like, it's only for those with fucks, right? 1.00

00:11:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:11:22.000 Yes. 1.00

00:11:23.000 But it wasn't a lot.

00:11:24.000 You couldn't go to Harvard and do like certain doctorate programs.

00:11:27.000 Right.

00:11:27.000 Sure.

00:11:28.000 Okay.

00:11:28.000 But you had, and this is what feminists will do.

00:11:31.000 So like the whole history, the reason it's presented a certain way, the reason we've all heard the same story about it, is because of all the PR problems.

00:11:40.000 So the real support for early suffrages came from socialists.

00:11:45.000 It came from polygamists. 0.95

00:11:47.000 It came from people who wanted to legalize prostitution.

00:11:52.000 It came from a lot of, you know, Sources that, especially back then, were seen as like kind of beneath most people, like down in the mud kind of thing.

00:12:02.000 And so, yeah, I guess there were some things that maybe some women weren't allowed to do, but it's always, but nobody ever talks about it as though, yeah, that was the case for everyone.

00:12:13.000 Most men couldn't get into those programs.

00:12:13.000 Right.

00:12:15.000 Most men couldn't vote until right before most women couldn't vote. 0.91

00:12:20.000 Can you explain that to people?

00:12:21.000 Because I've covered that in the show, but sort of, you know, in passing, that this is a very new concept.

00:12:28.000 The idea that voting, people just say like universal suffrage.

00:12:31.000 Let's just break that down.

00:12:32.000 Universal voting, meaning you live in said location, therefore you're entitled to a say.

00:12:36.000 Right.

00:12:37.000 That was almost never the case historically and wasn't the case in the United States.

00:12:40.000 Can you kind of fill people in on some of the expectations or responsibilities that needed to be met even by men in order to vote?

00:12:48.000 Well, it depended on the place because especially at this time period, states' rights were more important.

00:12:54.000 And so it depended the state or territory that you were in, like Wyoming gave women the right to vote early in order to be able to become a state. 1.00

00:13:02.000 So it wasn't so much that they were like, oh, we just really care about these broads opinions.

00:13:06.000 It was more like we need the numbers.

00:13:08.000 So same thing with Utah, with the Mormons. 0.91

00:13:10.000 They wanted to keep polygamy legal, so they granted early women's voting rights and things like that. 0.99

00:13:15.000 But most men in most states, there were restrictions.

00:13:19.000 It could be anything from a poll tax, which if you couldn't afford, you couldn't vote, too bad for you.

00:13:24.000 A literacy test, a civics test, religious requirements in some states.

00:13:29.000 You had to at least proclaim some kind of Christian faith or maybe even a specific denomination, depending on where you were.

00:13:37.000 age restrictions racial restrictions uh there were a lot of obviously the draft And even I think some states had mandatory bucket duty volunteer firefighter service.

00:13:48.000 That was another form of draft.

00:13:49.000 Yes.

00:13:50.000 What was the other?

00:13:51.000 Sometimes it was property ownership.

00:13:52.000 Yep, property ownership.

00:13:54.000 In other words, you couldn't just be a renter who didn't serve your country, who paid no taxes, who couldn't read. 0.99

00:14:00.000 And God forbid you were black. 1.00

00:14:02.000 I'm joking, but not really. 0.97

00:14:03.000 That's what they said.

00:14:05.000 That's a bang-on impression.

00:14:06.000 But no, yeah, that's a thing.

00:14:07.000 And there was even a period of time where some women were able to vote in certain states where they didn't have to meet requirements while men in said location couldn't vote. 1.00

00:14:16.000 Right?

00:14:16.000 Yeah.

00:14:17.000 Exactly.

00:14:18.000 So we have this perception.

00:14:20.000 And the reason we have this perception is because of gender studies departments and because of, you know, women's live propaganda. 1.00

00:14:28.000 The propaganda machine that we're fighting here is a century and billions and billions of dollars and help from the CIA on top of it.

00:14:36.000 So it's quite the mountain to climb.

00:14:39.000 There's a big barrier to breaking down all these myths and lies and trying to correct the historical record because I think if most people knew these things, they would just have a different opinion.

00:14:49.000 Not saying they would say, oh, put all the women back in the kitchen and take away their right to vote.

00:14:53.000 I'm saying they would at least have a more accurate perception of how things unfolded, why they unfolded that way.

00:15:00.000 And like you said, let's play devil's advocate and why did women say they didn't want the right to vote? 1.00

00:15:04.000 Well, there's a couple of really good reasons. 0.99

00:15:07.000 These women were not stupid. 1.00

00:15:09.000 They were quite prescient. 0.99

00:15:10.000 And they said the biggest reason is they felt they had a moral high ground because when you can't vote, you can't be bribed.

00:15:17.000 You can't be politicized.

00:15:19.000 You're not just another voting block that politicians are going to campaign and pander to and tell you whatever you want to hear so you'll vote.

00:15:26.000 And then when they get in, they do whatever they want, which is what we always get, right?

00:15:30.000 So back then, like women got prohibition passed. 0.98

00:15:34.000 Terrible idea.

00:15:35.000 But they were able to do it without voting rights because they went to their people in Congress and they said, we don't like this.

00:15:43.000 This is what we want.

00:15:44.000 You need to listen to us because we have this moral high ground.

00:15:47.000 As apolitical citizens, we want to be listened to.

00:15:52.000 We demand to be heard.

00:15:53.000 So, they did have a voice, this idea that women couldn't speak in public. 1.00

00:15:58.000 My other favorite one is: well, Rachel, you're benefiting from feminism by being on Stevens' show right now. 1.00

00:16:03.000 You couldn't have done that back then.

00:16:04.000 I don't think anyone's saying that, but continue with the thought.

00:16:07.000 I get told this all the time that I wouldn't be able to be here.

00:16:12.000 I wouldn't be able to be on a podcast or write a book.

00:16:16.000 Well, then explain to me how Mary Wollstonecraft was gallivanting around Europe in the 1700s, having children out of wedlock, having threesomes with her employers, having all kinds of sordid activities that the whole public knew about. 0.85

00:16:31.000 And was there some stigma?

00:16:32.000 Sure.

00:16:33.000 Did anybody throw her in jail? 0.87

00:16:35.000 Did anybody chain her to a stove or lock her in the kitchen? 0.62

00:16:37.000 No.

00:16:38.000 She was making money.

00:16:39.000 She had people supporting her and giving her money and buying her pamphlets and her tracts and paying her to do speeches in the 1700s.

00:16:48.000 So women were not like these helpless little pets that they've been made out to be. 1.00

00:16:54.000 They never were.

00:16:55.000 That's just a historical myth.

00:16:58.000 And they'll take things like the fact that education was not co-ed yet.

00:17:03.000 So like they had women's universities. 1.00

00:17:05.000 Some of the first colleges in this country were women's seminaries and women's universities.

00:17:11.000 A lot of women had access to higher education before men did in America. 0.93

00:17:15.000 But because they separated it and they had like men's institutions and women's institutions, feminists will say we didn't have equal access. 1.00

00:17:23.000 So they use sneaky tactics and they twist the language to make it sound a certain way when that's not.

00:17:30.000 And then you end up with a period of time where the men's universities are co-ed and they're still women's only universities.

00:17:36.000 Well, it's like Curves for universities.

00:17:38.000 You have your completely own university and we've got to share ours. 0.57

00:17:42.000 Which, by the way, how long do you think before like an all-men's gym like Curves turns into a gay bar? 0.92

00:17:47.000 That's why it can't be done.

00:17:48.000 Yeah, probably.

00:17:49.000 Probably right.

00:17:50.000 And Curves failed because.

00:17:52.000 Did it fail?

00:17:52.000 Yeah.

00:17:53.000 There are no more Curves?

00:17:54.000 Well, what have I been peeping through with my binoculars these last few months?

00:17:54.000 No.

00:17:59.000 I think it's Talbots.

00:18:02.000 Talbots.

00:18:03.000 Oh, Lord.

00:18:04.000 Yeah.

00:18:04.000 That's rough.

00:18:05.000 Well, you know, it takes away a lot of the incentive to go to an all-female gym because who are you going to do your Romanian deadlifts in your booty shorts in front of? 1.00

00:18:13.000 By the way, people don't know this.

00:18:15.000 I saw you try and throw it out there for a joe rogue and we'll get back. 1.00

00:18:18.000 But you've done for a while.

00:18:20.000 You did actual powerlifting for a while.

00:18:22.000 What were your some of your big lifts?

00:18:23.000 Are you just giving me the ones that are no, but still, I've heard them.

00:18:26.000 I don't remember them, but they're impressive for a lady. 1.00

00:18:28.000 My one rep max is that my top records for myself.

00:18:33.000 I think 155 bench press, 325 deadlift, and 225 squat.

00:18:40.000 That's pretty impressive.

00:18:41.000 I mean, that deadlift, that's two members of one direction.

00:18:46.000 You should pull them up off the floor and toss them out.

00:18:49.000 You could probably hex bar deadlift, put one on each side.

00:18:52.000 It's actually, I will tell you this.

00:18:52.000 That's actually bad.

00:18:53.000 I would say the hex bar deadlift is much less safe than a straight bar.

00:18:57.000 A lot of people don't realize they think it's easier because you don't end up with the same kind of torque on your spine.

00:19:01.000 The problem is with a straight bar, it actually braces.

00:19:03.000 There's a push-pull against your body.

00:19:05.000 I've seen so many people with a hex bar deadlift be careless, and at the top, there's that wobble.

00:19:10.000 Yeah.

00:19:10.000 And I'm like, oh, they don't take that.

00:19:12.000 It tends to get squattier too.

00:19:13.000 And so if you do have problems bracing your core, you can really mess yourself up. 0.95

00:19:18.000 I say this because it's important because you are sort of an anomaly because you'll listen to all these catty bitches on like the whatever podcast. 1.00

00:19:27.000 Like, well, maybe some women are stronger than men. 0.99

00:19:29.000 You're one of them.

00:19:31.000 And you're like, yeah, but we're not, though.

00:19:33.000 That's how I know that.

00:19:35.000 Well, I do think it's changed my perspective because I know that my untrained husband who doesn't work out religiously within a couple months of just learning some basic technique would blow past me, you know, after years and years of meeting.

00:19:49.000 It's just, it comes down to physics.

00:19:51.000 Yeah.

00:19:52.000 Men have more mass.

00:19:53.000 They have denser bones.

00:19:54.000 They have bigger muscles.

00:19:55.000 They have more testosterone.

00:19:57.000 It's literally science.

00:20:00.000 You know, as Christians, we're always called the science deniers, but we're the ones that understand that gender doesn't mean anything unless it references sex.

00:20:06.000 Yeah.

00:20:07.000 And that, you know, there's physiological differences between men and women that you're never going to overcome. 0.88

00:20:12.000 Well, isn't it funny how they used to say gender and sex were different, but now they want to change sex on official identifications.

00:20:17.000 Which, by the way, I mean, if you go back to the change my mind, like there are two genders.

00:20:22.000 It's funny you reference them.

00:20:23.000 For me, it really kind of goes like Simone de Beauvoir, Judith Butler, John Money, as that's what I think are sort of the touchstones.

00:20:29.000 And you can correct me where I'm wrong, but even then, it still existed within a binary.

00:20:34.000 Like men can become women and women can become men. 0.56

00:20:36.000 Gender is a social construct.

00:20:38.000 But if you were to go back and even tell Simone de Beauvoir, like there are 57 genders, Simone would be like, what the f ⁇ ?

00:20:42.000 What? 0.97

00:20:43.000 No, that's ridiculous. 0.97

00:20:44.000 They just keep moving the goalposts. 0.87

00:20:46.000 Well, the interesting thing about that is she would.

00:20:48.000 You're right about that.

00:20:49.000 But there were women writing in the 1840s. 0.81

00:20:53.000 Like Margaret Fuller was the first like widely published feminist writer in America. 0.93

00:20:58.000 And in the 1840s, she was writing about gender as a spectrum and it being the final frontier that we have to conquer in order to transcend our human limitations.

00:21:09.000 And because she was like this monist, it was like prototypical new age stuff.

00:21:12.000 We're all going to return to the one.

00:21:14.000 So we have to get rid of gender and race and all these things. 1.00

00:21:17.000 And so she was talking about gender as a spectrum in the 1840s. 1.00

00:21:20.000 Ain't that a bitch? 1.00

00:21:22.000 And it was only followed by them who were like, yes, I'm very spiritual. 1.00

00:21:25.000 That sounds good.

00:21:26.000 We all return to one.

00:21:27.000 What does it even mean?

00:21:27.000 What?

00:21:28.000 Sometimes you just, when you examine these things, like you say, science, you realize there's nothing there.

00:21:32.000 With the gender LGBTQ, it's this simple. 1.00

00:21:35.000 There is nothing there.

00:21:36.000 You will not find a study that exists that says a male body can be born with a female brain or vice versa.

00:21:43.000 Matter of fact, every time I conduct them, the more thorough the study, the more rigorous, people go like, ah, the changes only occur after cross-sex hormone replacement therapy.

00:21:51.000 And then it just gets thrown out.

00:21:52.000 Which still goes back to, I mean, feminism. 1.00

00:21:54.000 It defies reason where they just change the motivations or they change the outcome.

00:21:58.000 So I do want to get to this.

00:22:00.000 This is important because people will say, okay, yeah, but eventually women wanted the vote. 1.00

00:22:05.000 So, yeah, if we all accept, and you should, it's the truth, but I'm just for the sake of argument, you know, channeling Andrew.

00:22:05.000 Sure.

00:22:11.000 Okay, we accept that they didn't want it.

00:22:13.000 And then at a certain point, I said, okay, we want it.

00:22:17.000 What was the change?

00:22:18.000 Because that's still, those are still sort of the remnants that we're feeling today, right?

00:22:22.000 As people believing whatever that inflection point was.

00:22:25.000 Yes.

00:22:26.000 So first of all, even after the 19th Amendment was passed, the vast majority of women did not vote until like the 1960s.

00:22:34.000 We still were voting in much smaller numbers.

00:22:36.000 And now, sadly, since the 90s, women are out voting men.

00:22:40.000 It's only by a small margin, but it's enough.

00:22:42.000 Oh, the TRADCON women will let you hear it. 0.94

00:22:44.000 They're like, well, if you get out and vote it, if you get out and vote it, then you can maybe have an opinion.

00:22:49.000 I get lectured all the time on how I'm ruining things for Republicans because I'm scaring women away from voting for Republicans.

00:22:49.000 I know.

00:22:58.000 But as far as like women wanting the vote, eventually they did, but it took, again, a lot of Of propaganda of being pushed in that direction and being told repeatedly that, like, you're, this is the core of what we've done with women, how we've swayed them towards feminism is to tell them, if you're not on board with this, you are stupid. 1.00

00:23:20.000 You are not smart enough like us. 1.00

00:23:22.000 You are, um, you know, a traitor to your gender. 1.00

00:23:26.000 Um, you're a loser. 1.00

00:23:28.000 What are you going to just sit home and pop out babies? 1.00

00:23:31.000 You don't care about this nation.

00:23:32.000 You're not going to go and make your voice be heard.

00:23:34.000 You're not going to, you know, so it was a lot of propaganda to push women to this because one of the things they argued why they didn't want the vote was that politics is dirty business, which is true. 1.00

00:23:46.000 They were like, we don't want to be down in the mud rolling around with socialists and arguing all the time.

00:23:53.000 They felt like it was kind of beneath women. 1.00

00:23:55.000 And women are mostly, this is another thing where I'm kind of weird. 0.79

00:23:58.000 They're usually very conflict avoidant.

00:24:00.000 They don't want to debate.

00:24:01.000 They don't want to fight and argue.

00:24:03.000 They would nag, sure, but they don't want direct confrontation.

00:24:07.000 And politics is very confrontational.

00:24:09.000 And they were like, are you really going to make us go out and like debate all this stuff?

00:24:14.000 And also, let's just be honest, most women don't want to learn all the ins and outs of economics and foreign policy and geopolitics and all that stuff. 1.00

00:24:22.000 It's kind of boring to most of them.

00:24:24.000 They're more interested in their immediate family circle, what's going on with the kids, how's grandma doing, what's going on at the church and the community center.

00:24:32.000 And they felt like they were very busy with those things.

00:24:34.000 They were like, we've got plenty going on.

00:24:36.000 Because at the time, you know, you've got five kids on average.

00:24:39.000 Yeah.

00:24:39.000 And you're feeling very busy and you're like, now I got to learn about politics.

00:24:42.000 I got to sit here and learn each candidate's whole, you know, campaign and like their platform and all the, oh.

00:24:50.000 Well, I don't know that you've, you may have presented this argument.

00:24:53.000 This isn't in your book, but what you just touched on something that I'm convinced is kind of the sort of seismic shift.

00:25:00.000 Like you said, they were concerned with their immediate family.

00:25:02.000 Right.

00:25:03.000 I think we both agree that women have a mothering and nurturing instinct, right? 0.92

00:25:06.000 They kind of face kids in and dad's job is to face them out toward the world.

00:25:10.000 They had five kids on average.

00:25:11.000 Is that approximately?

00:25:12.000 Yeah, in the 1800s.

00:25:13.000 By the time we hit the 20th century, it was already down to like three.

00:25:16.000 Okay, so three.

00:25:17.000 Today it's down well below that.

00:25:19.000 Take that away.

00:25:20.000 Well, where does that, where do they invest that mothering, nurturing instinct? 1.00

00:25:24.000 And now that's why you have women out voting men because they go, well, I don't have that sort of protective, that vulnerable child to protect and to serve as a mother. 0.92

00:25:33.000 Let me pick the marginalized class of the day.

00:25:35.000 And that's how you see the completely illogical women supporting both Palestine along with LGBTQAIP. 1.00

00:25:42.000 It's whoever is the most there.

00:25:43.000 I think women are going to try and help the vulnerable because it's their instinct. 1.00

00:25:48.000 And you take away the healthy expression of that, a family and children, you end up with the unhealthy expression.

00:25:53.000 Yes.

00:25:53.000 Think there's something there?

00:25:54.000 Yes, there's absolutely something there.

00:25:56.000 And we know there's something there because the same people who really shoved the 19th through and really got it across the finish line are the same guys that met in secret at the Jekyll Island Club to create the income tax, the Federal Reserve Act, and to institute the compulsory public education system.

00:26:16.000 And this was a big push to, remember, we're like just post-big time industrialization.

00:26:24.000 We've got all these big factories and we need lots of workers and we need cheap labor.

00:26:28.000 And at the time, it was tough to get enough immigrants in.

00:26:30.000 We were trying to do that.

00:26:31.000 It was like the first big wave of immigration.

00:26:33.000 Plus you're bringing more Irish, but who wants that? 1.00

00:26:36.000 Well, you know, I'm half Irish.

00:26:37.000 I know, but it's okay.

00:26:38.000 I want to say that.

00:26:39.000 That's how my insistence is.

00:26:40.000 If you read how they wrote about the Irish, it's like subhuman.

00:26:43.000 They're like, ah, just throw a few Irishmen at it. 0.99

00:26:45.000 See what happens.

00:26:46.000 Well, my dad's family is Dutch and my mom's family is Irish and they hated each other. 0.99

00:26:50.000 Yeah, they did.

00:26:51.000 So like Dutch Protestants and like Irish Catholic. 0.63

00:26:54.000 And so it was so shocking that my parents divorced when I was nine.

00:26:57.000 Who could have seen it coming?

00:26:58.000 My Rush Limbaugh, Republican, Dutch, Protestant dad, and my Irish Catholic, you know, gender studies mom.

00:27:05.000 Yeah.

00:27:05.000 I will say what I appreciate about the Dutch Reformed, the best drivers in the country.

00:27:09.000 In Western Michigan, they use the left lane properly.

00:27:12.000 True.

00:27:13.000 It's like the speed limit doesn't exist.

00:27:15.000 It's kind of safe and sane.

00:27:17.000 But yes, going back to that.

00:27:19.000 And you were talking about how a big influence.

00:27:19.000 So we do see that.

00:27:21.000 And we see this today, by the way.

00:27:23.000 This isn't like an, for people who think this is conspiratorial, do you believe that there are lobbying groups today?

00:27:27.000 Do you believe, for example, did you see Coca-Cola with Snap?

00:27:30.000 That same thing happened back then.

00:27:32.000 It was a lot of those who were captains of industry and an unholy alliance with further left-leaning political groups, like you mentioned, socialists, to get more people into the workforce, right?

00:27:42.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:27:43.000 So like they, so like the Carnegie family, big industrialists, they used Victoria Woodhull and her sister to, they gave them money and let them set up one of the first like really leftist feminist magazines in the country.

00:27:59.000 And it was the first press in the United States to widely publish and distribute the Communist Manifesto.

00:28:07.000 So take from that what you will, but then also start pumping out this feminist propaganda, things that, I mean, Woodhull called marriage just prostitution by another name. 1.00

00:28:17.000 It was this first push to convince women that like marriage is a trap.

00:28:21.000 Your husband is the real threat to you.

00:28:23.000 He's the guy that you have to watch out for.

00:28:25.000 He's the one that's going to be the danger. 1.00

00:28:27.000 And we've done a really good job of convincing women of that to the point that if people are watching these ICE protests and these insane women, it's all women going up to ICE and calling them names, threatening them, saying they're going to kick their ass, telling them they have a little dick, all this. 0.99

00:28:45.000 And you're like, why? 1.00

00:28:46.000 I don't know why I get so much pleasure out of you saying little dick. 1.00

00:28:49.000 I've heard you say it so many times because I've heard that argument, but you have a slight Midwestern twang. 1.00

00:28:53.000 So it sounds like my aunt, like, it got a little dick on the roof. 1.00

00:28:56.000 Got a little dick, got a little pecker. 1.00

00:28:58.000 But that is true. 1.00

00:28:59.000 They do that all the time.

00:29:01.000 It's like, whatever.

00:29:02.000 The reason you see that is because we're now 100 years into women repeatedly hearing all the time through movies, media, all the universities are just Marxist feminist propaganda machines now. 0.99

00:29:16.000 They're thoroughly convinced, and I know this in my own life too.

00:29:19.000 My mother was this way, that your husband is the bad guy. 0.96

00:29:23.000 He's the avatar of the evil white controlling man who wants to dominate you and wants you to be subservient.

00:29:30.000 Think about the 1970s and we had movies like the Stepford Wives, which they did a remake of with Nicole Kidman just to bring it back and circle it back around. 0.57

00:29:37.000 Fet Midler too.

00:29:39.000 Fett Midler.

00:29:40.000 We had the Mary Tyler Moore show.

00:29:42.000 We had Bewitched, where the wife is a witch and her husband is always constantly trying to make her not use her awesome powers.

00:29:48.000 And she's, you know, there's this struggle.

00:29:49.000 There was a ton of propaganda in the 70s.

00:29:52.000 But I Dream of Genie was a little bit different. 1.00

00:29:54.000 He kept that bitch in a little bottle. 1.00

00:29:56.000 And he only summoned her when he was useful. 1.00

00:29:58.000 He's like, do the hip thing.

00:29:59.000 Get back in there.

00:30:00.000 Good for him.

00:30:00.000 Yeah.

00:30:04.000 I had a crush on her when I was a kid.

00:30:06.000 I dream of genie?

00:30:06.000 I think everybody did.

00:30:07.000 Yeah, I think everybody did.

00:30:10.000 We've really convinced most women that their husband is this like bad guy who's just trying to control them. 0.99

00:30:17.000 Narcissists.

00:30:18.000 You know, it's the Stepford wives. 1.00

00:30:19.000 He wants you to be a sex robot who makes casseroles. 0.98

00:30:22.000 And he doesn't see you as a real person. 0.99

00:30:24.000 He doesn't think you have your own mind.

00:30:25.000 And he doesn't want you to have any rights because if you do, you would never want him.

00:30:29.000 Right.

00:30:30.000 So we've convinced women of this. 0.98

00:30:30.000 Right. 0.98

00:30:32.000 And like you said, we still have this mothering instinct.

00:30:35.000 We still have, you can't escape your nature.

00:30:37.000 It's part of, it's a logical contradiction to escape your nature.

00:30:41.000 The law of identity says if your identity is not consistent across time, then it's not your identity.

00:30:47.000 So you can't take that mothering instinct that women are born with and tell them not to have kids and then think that that's going to go well. 0.99

00:30:47.000 Right. 0.99

00:30:56.000 So what happens is they get politicized.

00:30:58.000 And this is on purpose.

00:31:00.000 My second book's coming out later this year, and it goes over all of the Marxist side more in depth because the first one is more about the kind of liberal capitalist side in America and England and Australia.

00:31:11.000 And the occult side.

00:31:12.000 And to be, I also want to make sure, I want to, but you also point out too, and I do appreciate that you differentiate because a lot of people, now everything is demonic.

00:31:19.000 You point out that a lot of these were also fake spiritualists with seances.

00:31:22.000 They were just, they were snake oil sales ladies. 1.00

00:31:25.000 And there's, you know, they just, it's kind of like, you know, founders of religions who we find out were scam artists long before where they go from scam to scam. 0.94

00:31:32.000 They went from the scam of the table is rising.

00:31:34.000 I can speak with the dead for, you know, whatever this five bucks to, oh yeah, feminism. 1.00

00:31:39.000 Yes, exactly.

00:31:39.000 So they use that as a vehicle to push the propaganda.

00:31:42.000 I'm not, people will take a look at the book cover and either think that I'm saying witchcraft and feminism is good, or they'll think that I'm saying I'm doing the typical like 1980s tipper gore, everything's demonic, satanic panic thing.

00:31:57.000 And I'm not.

00:31:58.000 I'm telling you that some of them firmly believed this and were like actual high priestesses in occult organizations, but a lot of them claimed to be automatic writers or spiritualists or fortune tellers as a way to get in and get in with business guys and get funding for things and have influence and get people to listen to what they were saying.

00:32:18.000 So I mean, the same thing you just take it, replace it with Helen Keller.

00:32:21.000 I don't feel like that's a complete scam.

00:32:23.000 Yeah.

00:32:23.000 Helen Keller after, do you know how many children today in 2026, I think it's the crossover age is three.

00:32:30.000 I don't want to, it could be two and a half, who aren't able to see or hear at the age of three, blind and deaf.

00:32:37.000 Do you know how many of them have learned to communicate?

00:32:39.000 How many?

00:32:40.000 Zero.

00:32:41.000 Helen Keller was writing for socialist candidates, by the way, writing a college thesis on socialism.

00:32:41.000 Zero.

00:32:47.000 You're like, oh, same as her handler.

00:32:49.000 And it's a basic, I just forgot the name of the handler.

00:32:52.000 Someone can probably find it for me.

00:32:53.000 One of my daughters is super into the Helen Keller thing, and she could tell you everything about it.

00:32:57.000 She's just a total scam. 1.00

00:32:59.000 She's saying the same thing. 1.00

00:32:59.000 It's a complete scam. 1.00

00:33:00.000 Yeah.

00:33:01.000 And she's like, she's like, oh, she's saying the plight of the bourgeois, the proletariat.

00:33:06.000 That's what some of these women would do. 1.00

00:33:07.000 They would give speeches on behalf of women's suffrage and say that they were channeling the ghost of like an ancient Roman guy or something like that in order to get people in and create sensation and get it in the headlines and all that sort of thing.

00:33:20.000 And spiritualism was a big trend in America at the time.

00:33:24.000 So it just got a lot of eyeballs on it and things like that.

00:33:27.000 But the reason we have crazy women in the streets trying to run over ice is because you all K through 12, they're told that boys are inherently violent. 1.00

00:33:38.000 Girls are inherently good natured and angelic. 0.99

00:33:40.000 They're just born with little halos. 0.99

00:33:42.000 The boys are violent and rapey and bad. 0.98

00:33:45.000 And you have to watch out for them. 0.98

00:33:46.000 And, you know, like the fake statistics, like one in three women on college campuses will be a victim of sexual assault.

00:33:54.000 Completely untrue.

00:33:55.000 I totally debunked it in our course.

00:33:57.000 It was on my college campus.

00:34:01.000 The feminist debate course that we just finished.

00:34:04.000 Yes.

00:34:05.000 In my section, I take all the care in the world to debunk that sort of thing and show you how they fudge the statistics, how they use surveys and self-ID and all this stuff to kind of twist things and make it sound like just every man around a corner is waiting to rape.

00:34:19.000 Well, it's the same thing they do where they go, you know, immigrants are more law-abiding than native-born citizens.

00:34:24.000 No, what they're doing is they're taking legal immigrants who, by the way, have an incentive to abide by the law because they're looking to get, you know, their green card, and they lump it all in.

00:34:31.000 So when you get to the really sort of quantifiable statistic, okay, someone who's here illegally, well, it's tough to track.

00:34:37.000 So because they typically actually don't answer your questions and they're, they're not on the books.

00:34:41.000 So what we do have is the incarceration rate.

00:34:43.000 And you look at, they're about one and a half to four times as likely to be incarcerated.

00:34:47.000 So it's a talking point that they use.

00:34:49.000 They do the same thing with this, like you're talking about with women. 1.00

00:34:51.000 They go one in three.

00:34:52.000 Well, when you get to the rape kits, when you get to the actual reports, it's not even close.

00:34:57.000 Yeah, stuff like, that guy rubbed my shoulders and I didn't ask him to is counted as sexual assault, which think of it if we did the statistics the same way for men.

00:35:08.000 How many times does a woman touch a man's chest or smack him on the butt or make an off-color sexual comment to the guy? 1.00

00:35:16.000 It's never going to get reported as sexual assault. 0.72

00:35:19.000 There's never going to be a complaint made to HR when a woman does that to a man. 1.00

00:35:23.000 But if we did, I think it would not only be like equal, but I think women might be the greater offenders if you quantified everything that way and you made it equal across the board. 0.99

00:35:33.000 Because women feel very comfortable doing that. 1.00

00:35:35.000 How many times do we see like famous actresses and stuff with like look how Justin Bieber was treated by older women in Hollywood? 1.00

00:35:42.000 They would just grope him.

00:35:43.000 They would make sexual comments about him.

00:35:46.000 And everybody thinks that's fine and normal and nobody says anything about it. 0.70

00:35:50.000 But if it's a woman, it's like, oh my God, it's a predator. 1.00

00:35:52.000 So it's, there's always, there's always a lot involved in how they present things and they present it and it's all due to framing.

00:36:00.000 If you ever just broke down the feminist framing on how we have these conversations and you debunked it and you said, well, wait a minute, is that true for men?

00:36:09.000 So like when we're looking historically at women's oppression, is that also true for men?

00:36:15.000 So like women had this literacy rate in 1850. 1.00

00:36:20.000 Okay, let's look at men's literacy rate.

00:36:22.000 Oh, it was worse in some places and maybe even in others, you know, things like that.

00:36:28.000 Like look at, you know, white liberal women in New York in 1890 versus any man in the South. 0.99

00:36:35.000 They had way higher literacy rates than Southern men did.

00:36:39.000 So you can't just say like historically men had all the rights and women had none.

00:36:43.000 It's just a false way of looking at things.

00:36:46.000 But they'll use that framing to convince women that you're a victim, you're oppressed, and the people you need to worry about is your dad, your husband, the policeman, and the ICE agent and any man with authority.

00:37:01.000 Any man with authority is going to abuse you. 0.86

00:37:03.000 And so that's why you see crazy women in the streets trying to save the illegal migrant guy who molested three kids from the big, bad, mean ICE agent because they see a man with authority, especially if he's white, and they're like, that's the enemy. 0.95

00:37:17.000 Yeah. 0.89

00:37:18.000 And that's also why it's anti-God, anti-biblical, the men with authority who you are supposed to submit to. 0.93

00:37:24.000 By the way, men have to submit to plenty of authority as well. 0.96

00:37:27.000 But the Bible, that's one thing too, I think, with even like Tradcons. 1.00

00:37:30.000 You're like, well, just your husband.

00:37:31.000 No, actually, that's not it.

00:37:32.000 You are to submit to the authority of men who've been granted that authority in the same way that men are. 0.81

00:37:37.000 One of the most telling things to me was Renee Good.

00:37:40.000 I don't know if it was her or her friend.

00:37:42.000 And I remember the quote exactly, but it was like, you didn't have to have real bullets in there?

00:37:47.000 Do you remember that?

00:37:48.000 Yeah.

00:37:49.000 I think that was the girlfriend.

00:37:50.000 Yeah, the girlfriend.

00:37:50.000 That's right.

00:37:51.000 That was her girlfriend who was. 0.98

00:37:52.000 Yeah, the scissor sister. 0.99

00:37:54.000 And it was like, it was, I just remember hearing that like, oh, wait a second.

00:37:58.000 That's your coaster just sticked with her. 1.00

00:38:01.000 You would have known that.

00:38:01.000 You know what the key is with that?

00:38:02.000 Salt.

00:38:03.000 A Chili's waiter taught me that once.

00:38:05.000 You put a little salt on your coaster, your drink doesn't follow it.

00:38:07.000 But I tell you what, I've run into that so many times.

00:38:10.000 And I think, and then I want to get into the framing that matters.

00:38:14.000 For example, in Brazil, you did say they would have me train with the women and kids because they knew I wouldn't hurt them.

00:38:18.000 I was a good training partner.

00:38:19.000 There's a girl who was getting ready for Abu Dhabi as kind of like the Olympics.

00:38:23.000 And I trained with her.

00:38:23.000 She was really good.

00:38:24.000 I let her get me in an e-bar, grab a couple submissions.

00:38:26.000 She was making a mistake where she kept leaving her elbow out.

00:38:29.000 And so after rolling and stuff, I grabbed the same submission like three or four times in a row. 1.00

00:38:35.000 Now, if it was a man, I would have been like, are you an idiot? 1.00

00:38:39.000 You're going to get your arm torn off. 1.00

00:38:40.000 Like, you're literally going against a guy whose nickname is the arm collector dummy.

00:38:44.000 But I grabbed it and she started crying. 1.00

00:38:47.000 And I'm talking about really gentle, like, ah, careful, watch, right?

00:38:49.000 Close T-Rex arms, bring that elbow in.

00:38:52.000 Did you let me get that submission?

00:38:54.000 And I was like, oh, sweetheart, of course.

00:38:56.000 Did you really think you were actually moving me around at 130 pounds?

00:39:00.000 And I realized, wow, she actually believed this.

00:39:04.000 And that's part of it is rejecting an act of grace.

00:39:08.000 By the way, we receive acts of grace from women all the time, especially if you find a good wife, you find a good woman.

00:39:13.000 Part of it is simply being gracious and acknowledging the differences, right?

00:39:18.000 I do think that there is a feminine power, not to sound new agey, that is different from masculine.

00:39:22.000 It's largely in the home where a man can be at peace, a man can lead a household better, right? 0.77

00:39:27.000 And let's get to that, the framing, you talk, the framing that matters.

00:39:30.000 Here's to me the framing that matters.

00:39:32.000 What's best for the country?

00:39:34.000 What's best for children?

00:39:35.000 And by the way, the two were one and the same.

00:39:37.000 So let's take me out of it.

00:39:40.000 I would say that men have kind of effectively done that by dying for their families and in war for a long time.

00:39:45.000 Feminism. 1.00

00:39:47.000 Has it benefited the country?

00:39:49.000 Has it been a net positive or a net negative?

00:39:51.000 Feminism and everything there in sexual liberation, no fault divorce, all of this. 1.00

00:39:55.000 Yeah.

00:39:55.000 Has it been good for children or bad for children?

00:39:57.000 Let's start with the country.

00:39:58.000 Has feminism benefited the country? 1.00

00:40:01.000 No, not at all.

00:40:03.000 So we went back to talking about who were the politicians and the powerful people that wanted the 19th past and wanted women voting.

00:40:10.000 It wasn't just because you get cheap labor from women when you convince mothers and married women to join the workforce. 1.00

00:40:17.000 It wasn't just because you get to tax two people in the household instead of one.

00:40:21.000 It wasn't just because you have compulsory education now while mommy's at work, the children go to the state-run schools and get indoctrinated with whatever the state wants them to believe about things.

00:40:32.000 It wasn't just that.

00:40:33.000 It was also this idea that like if you can get women out of the home and kind of separate the family, you'll have women voting against their husbands' interests, which is one of the reasons the anti-suffragists said they did not want the vote.

00:40:49.000 They could see, they were like, this is going to break up families.

00:40:52.000 It's going to drive husband and wife against each other. 1.00

00:40:55.000 Because if you wanted a big welfare state, which is what they were trying to achieve at this time, women are going to vote for that. 1.00

00:41:02.000 And they still do today.

00:41:03.000 Like across the board, women support big welfare state way more than men. 0.99

00:41:09.000 And it's because women are more security oriented. 1.00

00:41:13.000 Men are more willing to take risk.

00:41:15.000 If they think there's a reward and they can, you know, create a legacy for their family, they're willing to risk it.

00:41:21.000 Women are moms and they're thinking about babies and the vulnerable and the starving and all the people who can't take care of themselves and they want this big welfare state. 1.00

00:41:28.000 Women vote for mass immigration. 1.00

00:41:30.000 They want more open borders.

00:41:32.000 They look at, think of AOC at the Chainlink fence crying, you know, that photo op she did.

00:41:37.000 Or with the non-handcuffs.

00:41:39.000 Remember that I pissed myself laughing when she faked like she had handcuffs and she took, I was like, oh my gosh, this is just exactly what you would expect.

00:41:47.000 Well, women, the thing about women is we're easier to propagandize when it comes to tugging on our heartstrings. 1.00

00:41:47.000 Yes. 1.00

00:41:53.000 And that's why, ever since women started to be the bigger voting block, every political campaign of my lifetime and yours, it's the Republicans want to take away children's lunch. 0.56

00:42:05.000 They want to take away grandma's Medicaid.

00:42:07.000 You know, they would show a Republican pushing grandma off the cliff in her wheelchair and stuff like that.

00:42:13.000 And they've convinced women of this. 0.63

00:42:14.000 And I, I mean, I never was leftist and I never was feminist.

00:42:18.000 But when I was really young, I was in my early 20s working at a makeup counter in the mall.

00:42:23.000 And it was an election day.

00:42:25.000 It was like a midterm election.

00:42:26.000 And we're all standing in the line to get coffee.

00:42:28.000 And I'm like, I'm going to take my lunch at this time so I can go run over and vote.

00:42:32.000 And all the girls around me that work at the makeup counter, they were like, oh, yeah, the election thing's today, right?

00:42:38.000 Yeah, yeah, okay.

00:42:39.000 Well, who are you voting for?

00:42:40.000 And I didn't get a chance to answer before the other ones chimed in and they were like, aren't the Democrats the ones that care about like poor people and old people and Republicans are like the mean business guys that just want money?

00:42:51.000 Yeah, yeah, I'm voting for a Democrat.

00:42:52.000 Me too.

00:42:53.000 I'm voting for Democrats too.

00:42:54.000 Yeah, that's all they know.

00:42:56.000 Okay, so when you let 22-year-old women vote, all they know is Democrats care about old people and children, and Republicans are mean businessmen. 1.00

00:43:05.000 They don't know anything other than most of them.

00:43:08.000 And the ones who do know more than that are generally in university being taught by Marxist professors and being told basically that same thing, just in more complicated terms.

00:43:17.000 Yeah, they don't really understand what it is they're voting for 99% of the time.

00:43:22.000 I hate to say that, but I think it's true.

00:43:24.000 I mean, I would say this, I would say the same thing of leftist men in general, just people who vote left across the board, but women overwhelmingly vote.

00:43:34.000 It's the white middle-class women, it's the only demographic big enough to elect Democrat presidents. 1.00

00:43:39.000 Right.

00:43:39.000 So we can't do that.

00:43:40.000 And you would, I mean, you've everybody's seen the data where if they remove that, there's never another Democrat presidency ever.

00:43:47.000 Yeah.

00:43:47.000 In many cases, Chris women, Chris, self-professed Christian women in the church will vote Democrat more than even atheist.

00:43:57.000 Yes.

00:43:58.000 And that's something that often startles women. 1.00

00:44:00.000 I'm like, well, a lot of you.

00:44:00.000 Like, well, not me.

00:44:01.000 So some of you aren't really necessarily telling the truth.

00:44:04.000 Remember that commercial of the woman going into the voting booth and the husband like, oh, I'm going to kill you if you don't vote my thing.

00:44:09.000 And then you sit there, like, well, that seems terrible.

00:44:11.000 And you go, but that makes sense.

00:44:12.000 You have one head of household, right? 0.62

00:44:15.000 And a house shouldn't be divided.

00:44:16.000 Again, going back to a biblical principle.

00:44:19.000 And women had a say, right? 1.00

00:44:20.000 If you have one vote in a household, the family has a say, and there's someone who has the final say.

00:44:25.000 And I think going back to this, so then I want to get to children.

00:44:25.000 Yeah.

00:44:28.000 Yeah.

00:44:29.000 I don't know if there's a way to fix it.

00:44:32.000 And I think you're doing your damnedest, to be clear.

00:44:34.000 I'm trying.

00:44:35.000 I know.

00:44:37.000 It's been a lie.

00:44:38.000 And I think we both would acknowledge that women tend to have a more difficult time facing accountability because they've been raised in a way where they haven't had to face it than men have.

00:44:47.000 And so let's look at all the stats.

00:44:49.000 All right.

00:44:49.000 Feminism, 1960s.

00:44:51.000 Today, women are fatter, sicker, lonelier, more antidepressants, unhappy. 1.00

00:44:57.000 Right.

00:44:57.000 And if you pull them toward the end of their life, huge regrets they didn't have more kids.

00:45:01.000 So objectively, if we use those parameters, it's made women unhappier. 1.00

00:45:01.000 Okay. 1.00

00:45:06.000 Yes.

00:45:07.000 Okay.

00:45:08.000 Women need to face that and say, so we've been kind of living a lie and we have to correct course here and they have to govern themselves. 1.00

00:45:17.000 I don't know that that's possible.

00:45:20.000 That's the issue.

00:45:21.000 I don't know that there are enough women who are willing to go, look, we were wrong. 1.00

00:45:24.000 This was a lie.

00:45:25.000 We are not empowered.

00:45:26.000 Because you have women going, I'm happier than ever.

00:45:28.000 I don't need a man. 0.99

00:45:29.000 Chelsea Handler trying to convince us all that she loves waking up alone, smoking a joint or eating an edible and going back to bed until noon and then ordering Thai food by herself and skiing in a bikini and you know, all this, you know, there's a lot of that cope going on.

00:45:29.000 Yeah.

00:45:46.000 But if it makes anybody feel better, I'd say the biggest, I get two really common emails and messages from women. 1.00

00:45:53.000 One is younger women going, I'm in college right now. 0.75

00:45:57.000 I'm in my last year of dental school.

00:45:59.000 My parents expect me to start a dental practice and pay back my loans before I even think about getting married and having kids.

00:46:06.000 And all I want to do is get married to my boyfriend and have kids.

00:46:08.000 I don't want to be a dentist.

00:46:10.000 I thought I did.

00:46:11.000 It's not what I want to do.

00:46:12.000 But everyone will think I'm crazy.

00:46:14.000 I already have sunk so much into this.

00:46:15.000 What do I do?

00:46:16.000 Right.

00:46:17.000 The second most common one I get is older women, usually in their 60s. 1.00

00:46:21.000 It's like across the board, especially since the Joe Rogan thing, the amount of emails and DMs I've gotten from women who are 60, 62, 65, anywhere in there saying, they got me.

00:46:31.000 They got me with this.

00:46:32.000 I believed this BS.

00:46:33.000 And now I'm alone and I can't go back and I can't change it.

00:46:38.000 But I'm glad you're saying something for the younger women who can so that they at least feel like they can pick a different path. 0.99

00:46:44.000 I get so many messages from women in their 60s and even in their 70s saying, I fell for this crap. 0.99

00:46:44.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:46:52.000 I fully believed it.

00:46:53.000 And I'm in my 60s.

00:46:55.000 I have no kids.

00:46:56.000 I have no husband.

00:46:57.000 I just retired from my corporate job that I never really liked.

00:47:01.000 But I kind of got stuck and here I am.

00:47:03.000 Yeah, but you're such an outlier is a thing.

00:47:06.000 Like I have, this is one thing, like men who I know, you know, when you go through it, even whether it's divorce attorneys, they'll say it's terrible.

00:47:12.000 Avoid it at all costs.

00:47:13.000 Try and make it work.

00:47:15.000 And then it's a contagion with women like, I'm happier than ever, even though you know they're not. 1.00

00:47:18.000 Yes.

00:47:19.000 And so even though you have these ladies emailing you now, they're 50 times more going, I'm great.

00:47:27.000 And like Chelsea Handler.

00:47:27.000 I love it.

00:47:29.000 She's lying to herself.

00:47:29.000 Yeah.

00:47:31.000 So before we go on then to the kids, let's say you have a, well, you do.

00:47:34.000 You have a camera right there.

00:47:35.000 To women out there, young women, if you were to try and tell them, like, don't believe X-Lie or feel free to do, like, what message would you give to them if you had to try and cut off at the past them putting themselves on a path to perpetual unhappiness? 0.69

00:47:51.000 Because that's what needs, and there need to be enough women doing that. 1.00

00:47:53.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:47:53.000 Well, it's not the men trying to convince you of a certain thing because they want to control you, because they want a mindless sex puppet or whatever. 0.97

00:48:02.000 It's women like Simone de Beauvoir, who in a 1970s interview with Betty Friedan said, I don't think we should give women the option to stay home and have children, precisely because if there is such an option, too many women will choose that. 0.72

00:48:18.000 She said, I think society should be run completely differently.

00:48:21.000 And we should use pressure, social pressure, to convince women that doing that makes you unfulfilled. 1.00

00:48:31.000 It means you can't hack it.

00:48:33.000 You can't hack it in the business world.

00:48:34.000 Oh, you can't handle a career.

00:48:35.000 You just want to stay home.

00:48:37.000 This was very intentional.

00:48:39.000 And it was on the part of women like Simone de Beauvoir, who, although she was considered one of the feminist intellectuals of the 20th century, was also a creeper who was convicted of grooming children with her partner. 0.96

00:48:52.000 She was a teacher who was grooming her female students in France and lost her teaching license and got in a lot of trouble for that. 1.00

00:49:00.000 So these are not nice women. 1.00

00:49:02.000 These are not women who are getting picked by great guys.

00:49:05.000 These are not women who are doing well. 1.00

00:49:08.000 These are bitter, creepy, awful women for the most part. 1.00

00:49:12.000 That's the truth of it.

00:49:13.000 I mean, I profiled all the most prominent ones from the 1700s to now in my book, and it took me two and a half years.

00:49:21.000 And the reason it ended up being about things like the occult is because I found almost every single time these women were divorced. 0.99

00:49:28.000 They abandoned their husbands.

00:49:29.000 They abandoned their children if they ever had children at all. 1.00

00:49:34.000 They were, you know, sex pests. 0.98

00:49:37.000 They were into all kinds of creepy stuff, whether it be kids or polyamory or actual like socialist communes where everybody's sleeping with each other. 0.98

00:49:47.000 Really bizarre stuff.

00:49:48.000 These are the women who were so against the status quo of like man and woman, you know, God, husband, wife, nuclear family, extended family. 1.00

00:49:58.000 They were so against it because they wanted to be off cooming. 0.65

00:50:03.000 They wanted to be off doing this degenerate, disgusting stuff and didn't want to have to deal with any social stigma for it.

00:50:09.000 So these are the women you're listening to. 0.88

00:50:11.000 And I don't think most of you want to be her.

00:50:14.000 I don't think most of you want to be Simone de Beauvoir trying to seduce your 16-year-old students so your boyfriend can get in on the action.

00:50:21.000 Right.

00:50:21.000 You'd probably rather be like Mima, who had the table set for the whole family, where think about it, when you look back and you think of hearth and home and warmth and where you felt safe and people were happy, they're usually, and that's where I talk about like there's a woman at the center.

00:50:35.000 I don't want to use the term matriarch, but I. 0.96

00:50:38.000 I love that term.

00:50:39.000 Okay.

00:50:39.000 Well, there was, though, and they would coach young women.

00:50:41.000 I'm entering my matriarch era right now, and I love it.

00:50:44.000 I think it's fantastic.

00:50:45.000 This, this is the other big lie that women have been sold. 1.00

00:50:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:50:48.000 You're going to be young and sexy forever.

00:50:50.000 You're going to be like Jane Fonda and be sexy at 70. 0.70

00:50:52.000 She's not sexy at 70.

00:50:53.000 I know.

00:50:54.000 You know, I know.

00:50:55.000 We all know.

00:50:55.000 But everybody goes, yes, girl, yes.

00:50:58.000 Oh, my God.

00:50:58.000 Slang.

00:50:59.000 Slang. 0.98

00:51:00.000 Same thing with Jennifer Lopez, approaching 60, still, you know, out there shaking it in a thong. 1.00

00:51:07.000 She's on what, her fourth, fifth divorce.

00:51:09.000 Are we even keeping track anymore? 1.00

00:51:12.000 You know, someone else is mostly raising her kids so she can be off doing her boss girl, look, everybody look at my ass thing. 1.00

00:51:18.000 And it's like, you could do that, but my grandma, bless her, is turning 100 years old on April 1st. 0.85

00:51:25.000 And when I look back over my life, I see her as like the pillar in my life of somebody who was sane and stable and normal and my safe place for me in my life. 0.82

00:51:35.000 Because I had a crazy Marxist feminist mom. 1.00

00:51:37.000 Yeah. 0.78

00:51:38.000 And my dad was kind of the typical American guy in the 80s and 90s who got absolutely crushed by the whole feminist machine.

00:51:46.000 Yeah.

00:51:47.000 Four divorces, just, and it's because he simped.

00:51:50.000 I'll just be honest.

00:51:51.000 It was because he simped because he was just told, you have to listen to women. 0.95

00:51:55.000 You have to make them happy.

00:51:55.000 You have to do what they want.

00:51:57.000 And he didn't find his spine until it was like way too late.

00:52:00.000 Yeah.

00:52:01.000 Well, I think, you know, women or feminists will say, like, what do you want to do? 1.00

00:52:05.000 You can do anything you want.

00:52:06.000 Yeah.

00:52:07.000 No, it's what kind of life do you want to actually live?

00:52:10.000 Who do you want to be?

00:52:12.000 Do you want to be Simone de Beauvoir?

00:52:13.000 Do you want to be, I mean, was it, well, not L and G. White, that's the Seventh-day Adventist.

00:52:18.000 I'm going back to that.

00:52:21.000 Who are we?

00:52:21.000 Just, you just mentioned.

00:52:23.000 Anyway, point is: do you want to be any of these cackling or do you want to be your grandma?

00:52:28.000 Do you want to be the lady who made you feel safe and warm?

00:52:32.000 Because you can do that.

00:52:32.000 Yeah.

00:52:33.000 Now let's, though, give the opposite side.

00:52:35.000 You know, you want to be the world's most powerful genie, everything that comes with it, the shackles.

00:52:39.000 Let's be real.

00:52:40.000 Tell young women if they want them. 1.00

00:52:41.000 Let's say a woman right now is like, yes, I want to be able to stay home because there are a lot of women who know that. 1.00

00:52:45.000 I want to stay home.

00:52:46.000 I want to be able to raise a family.

00:52:47.000 I don't want to have to be a corporate slave in nine to five.

00:52:51.000 And I want to be with a man who shares those values.

00:52:54.000 What does that mean those women need to expect and need to do to find that kind of a man? 1.00

00:53:01.000 Big part of it is probably don't talk so much.

00:53:05.000 Don't talk back so much.

00:53:06.000 It's the attitude.

00:53:09.000 I had to find this out too.

00:53:10.000 You know, like people will be like, where can I find a wife like yours, Andrew?

00:53:15.000 And I always tell them, I'm like, women aren't born great wives. 1.00

00:53:18.000 And men aren't born great husbands, by the way.

00:53:20.000 You learn these, they're learned skills.

00:53:23.000 And we don't have parents and grandparents that teach us these skills anymore.

00:53:27.000 Almost all of us have like divorced parents or dysfunctional homes that we come from.

00:53:31.000 It's so common now that most of us don't even know what that looks like.

00:53:36.000 I grew up with like the worst possible role models in the worst possible situation.

00:53:40.000 So I had to learn it too.

00:53:42.000 So lucky for me when I met Andrew, he kind of helped me with that like right off the bat.

00:53:48.000 One of our first dates, he came over to my house and I don't even remember what it was now, but I said something sassy to him.

00:53:56.000 So he said something sassy back.

00:53:58.000 He was like, oh, really?

00:53:59.000 Said something a little sassy back.

00:54:00.000 And I threw a remote control at him.

00:54:02.000 I remember you telling me the story.

00:54:03.000 And I love this story.

00:54:04.000 And he looked at me and he went, oh, really?

00:54:09.000 Well, if that's how you're going to act, I'm leaving now.

00:54:09.000 Okay.

00:54:13.000 And if you ever want to talk to me again, you better think about why you just did that and why you thought that that was okay to do because I will not put up with that.

00:54:22.000 And he left.

00:54:23.000 And I sat there and went, I can't believe this guy. 0.99

00:54:27.000 And then all of a sudden I went, oh, crap. 0.97

00:54:30.000 Am I the girl that throws stuff? 1.00

00:54:35.000 Am I the bitchy girl that throws stuff and has an attitude? 1.00

00:54:39.000 You know, I immediately thought of like all the archetypes of that woman.

00:54:43.000 And I was like, I don't want to be that person.

00:54:45.000 No.

00:54:46.000 I don't want to be her.

00:54:46.000 I don't.

00:54:48.000 And I called him and I was like, you know what?

00:54:50.000 You were completely right.

00:54:51.000 That was, I don't know why I thought I could do that.

00:54:53.000 It doesn't really matter, but I will never do that sort of thing to you again.

00:54:57.000 And he whipped a timber that year.

00:54:58.000 I'm sorry.

00:54:58.000 Well, here's the thing is, what got me was he didn't yell back.

00:55:03.000 He didn't match my energy and throw something back at me or anything like that.

00:55:07.000 He was just, he very calmly just asserted, I don't deal with that.

00:55:11.000 I don't deal with that kind of behavior from women. 1.00

00:55:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:55:14.000 So if that's what you want to do, good luck to you.

00:55:17.000 Right.

00:55:18.000 Have a nice life.

00:55:19.000 But if you do want to ever see me again, like that's never going to happen.

00:55:22.000 And that was like really clear right from the beginning.

00:55:25.000 And it just that one moment completely shifted my thinking because of all the stuff that I had seen growing up.

00:55:32.000 You know, like both my parents were like, throw things, break stuff, slam doors.

00:55:36.000 It was like very normal in my household.

00:55:38.000 And I didn't even realize how much I'd kind of been programmed with that.

00:55:42.000 And then you take, think of all the pop star girls.

00:55:45.000 Think of all the popular females in the culture.

00:55:48.000 And I think this is why most women go this way. 1.00

00:55:50.000 Because Mima, who everybody has warm memories of going to grandma's house for Thanksgiving or Christmas and maybe you got sick and grandma came over and took care of you and you always felt so safe and wonderful and you love her.

00:56:03.000 She's not famous.

00:56:05.000 She's not getting millions of dollars in magazine covers, but Taylor Swift is and Beyonce is and Katy Perry is and all of these famous actresses who give Oscar speeches about how great their abortion was. 1.00

00:56:05.000 No. 1.00

00:56:17.000 They're getting all the public praise and all the PR and everything.

00:56:21.000 And that's women are very PAC oriented. 1.00

00:56:25.000 They don't like going against the grain.

00:56:27.000 They don't like standing out and being different than all the other women. 0.97

00:56:30.000 You get penalized heavily for that.

00:56:33.000 Ask me how I know.

00:56:35.000 So they just kind of go with that because that's what we all see from the time we're so little.

00:56:40.000 Even little kids' cartoons now.

00:56:43.000 Little kids' cartoons now.

00:56:45.000 The girl is always the strong, tough one.

00:56:47.000 The girl is always the smart one with the superhero powers. 0.99

00:56:49.000 The boys are always like, oh, I don't know what I'm doing.

00:56:52.000 Good thing the girl's here to save me. 0.59

00:56:54.000 You know, it's how things have been presented for so long.

00:56:58.000 And it just took Andrew saying that one thing to me for my whole mind to kind of go, oh my God, have I been doing the thing?

00:57:04.000 Yeah.

00:57:05.000 Have I had the attitude?

00:57:06.000 And it took me a long time of learning to get that stuff out of me and catching myself when I was doing it.

00:57:12.000 Two things.

00:57:12.000 One, you need to listen to Nick DiPaolo's another senseless killing album and Raw Nerve.

00:57:16.000 He touches on all this back in the day.

00:57:18.000 He's like, you know, AOL, you see these commercials now as AOL.

00:57:21.000 So easy, my dad can do it. 1.00

00:57:23.000 I mean, the guy bought the fucking computer. 0.99

00:57:25.000 He's like, yeah, by the way, can we someone just solve breast cancer so I don't have to have an awareness month where my favorite NFL team looks like I Dream of Jeannie? 0.99

00:57:25.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:57:25.000 He's like, you mean that? 0.99

00:57:33.000 Can I have a month at just any just he's like, it's just lesbian, mustachioed feminists trying to fit their faces where they don't belong. 1.00

00:57:39.000 And he suffered for this. 0.98

00:57:40.000 That's why we have him on the show quite a bit.

00:57:42.000 The other thing I would say is what you just said is really important because, I mean, ultimately, right, we should, I think, we kneel before the same cross.

00:57:50.000 I'm not Orthodox, but I've gone to an Orthodox church, but we do.

00:57:50.000 I know.

00:57:55.000 We serve the same God.

00:57:57.000 And we would be serving a false God if we didn't believe that men and women can be redeemed.

00:58:03.000 Yeah.

00:58:03.000 People can be fixed.

00:58:04.000 And that's something, too, that I know that you and Andrew sometimes are kind of tossed into this lot of the black pill crowd. 0.91

00:58:11.000 You're not.

00:58:11.000 Yeah.

00:58:12.000 If you were to say there is hope, like people can change because you did.

00:58:18.000 What should women, if that's what they want, look for in a man? 1.00

00:58:21.000 And what should, I know you don't like giving relationship advice because circumstances are different, but like what should a man look for in a woman if that's what he wants?

00:58:28.000 And what should a young woman look for in a man? 0.99

00:58:31.000 Even just like two, three things.

00:58:33.000 So the first thing is you need to realize you're not going to find this perfect package where he or she comes with all the things you want.

00:58:33.000 Sure.

00:58:41.000 They might come throwing remotes.

00:58:42.000 They might come throwing remotes.

00:58:44.000 They might come with kids from previous relationships.

00:58:48.000 But the number one thing to look for in a woman is if she will say she's sorry, because women have this very deeply ingrained, you're perfect the way you are. 0.98

00:59:01.000 You are a goddess.

00:59:02.000 You never apologize for your behavior.

00:59:05.000 He needs to do this for you.

00:59:06.000 He needs to prove himself to you.

00:59:08.000 You are the prize.

00:59:09.000 You are the queen.

00:59:10.000 We tell them that from the time they're little, and then we also give them no accountability, no consequences for their actions ever.

00:59:19.000 Even if you just look at prison stuff, like crime sentencing, men and women doing the exact same crime.

00:59:25.000 Men get like two and a half times the sentence that women do, things like that. 0.99

00:59:29.000 So you need to understand women as a group.

00:59:32.000 We've removed all the accountability.

00:59:33.000 We've told them they're perfect goddesses that are amazing and wonderful.

00:59:37.000 The way they're.

00:59:39.000 Yes.

00:59:40.000 So if you find one that is willing to admit when she's wrong, that's a big green flag.

00:59:46.000 It's usually after she argues that she's not.

00:59:48.000 Yes.

00:59:49.000 And it escalates.

00:59:50.000 Yes.

00:59:50.000 And then, but then she calms down and thinks a little better of it.

00:59:53.000 I'll tell you a technique that I have that would be considered abusive.

00:59:56.000 Okay, great.

00:59:57.000 I called up the walrus until I found out that was a weird sex term, so I switched it to manatee.

01:00:01.000 Okay.

01:00:02.000 Yeah.

01:00:02.000 But yes, that is a big one.

01:00:03.000 Just being able to, because there used to be the thing, right?

01:00:05.000 They're like, oh, and men never apologize.

01:00:07.000 I'm like, no, otherwise, happy wife, happy life wouldn't be an expression.

01:00:09.000 I do firmly believe that women have a much tougher time apologizing. 1.00

01:00:12.000 You know why? 1.00

01:00:12.000 Because if men don't say I'm sorry, they're getting their ass kicked many, many times growing up. 1.00

01:00:16.000 We live under the perpetual threat of force. 1.00

01:00:19.000 Yes.

01:00:19.000 Okay.

01:00:19.000 Yes.

01:00:20.000 So that's one.

01:00:21.000 Is there another one?

01:00:22.000 And then I want to go, you know, dish it out to the guys too.

01:00:25.000 Because you're the only non-fem con who could say this is what matters in a guy without it being he needs to be all the things you want. 0.99

01:00:32.000 So, okay, finish the women, then we'll go. 0.98

01:00:34.000 So the women, the other thing is if she will not just constantly fight you anytime you try to be the leader. 1.00

01:00:42.000 Okay.

01:00:43.000 That's another really tough uphill battle that a lot of us are just ingrained with this knee-jerk reaction that anytime a man is displaying leadership skills, we need to pipe up and say something.

01:00:52.000 We need to, well, but what about this?

01:00:54.000 Did you do that early on?

01:00:55.000 Yeah.

01:00:56.000 Because that's one thing I'll say.

01:00:56.000 Yeah.

01:00:57.000 Like, and you know, I have a woman who I love, but she will do that. 1.00

01:01:01.000 And then afterwards, they'll be like, okay, you were right.

01:01:04.000 And that's a huge contrast to many.

01:01:07.000 No, in other words, no one's saying the black people are saying, unless they're perfect. 0.99

01:01:10.000 I see that a lot.

01:01:11.000 Like, she will do this.

01:01:12.000 She will do this.

01:01:13.000 She will do this.

01:01:13.000 Or he will do this.

01:01:14.000 He will do this.

01:01:15.000 He will do this.

01:01:16.000 Otherwise, no.

01:01:17.000 And look, we're all works in progress.

01:01:20.000 And I think that people don't know that you and Andrew, that's why you don't want to give relationship advice.

01:01:24.000 But I think you and him should do like a Dr. Laura show.

01:01:26.000 Because I think because you're an unwilling participant, I think you would be the best at it.

01:01:30.000 I really do.

01:01:31.000 We could do it right here.

01:01:32.000 I really think you should do it.

01:01:33.000 I think it could help people.

01:01:34.000 Okay.

01:01:35.000 So that.

01:01:35.000 Now do the men because then we have to go to Rumble Premium.

01:01:37.000 Okay.

01:01:38.000 Now for the men, it would be women looking for these qualities in a man. 0.95

01:01:41.000 Oh, okay.

01:01:42.000 If you're looking for qualities in a man, good dad material.

01:01:46.000 And good dad material does not mean he's willing to change diapers and do housework and split the chores with you.

01:01:51.000 Trust me, that is not important.

01:01:54.000 It really is not important when you get in the mix and you're married and you have kids with a man.

01:01:59.000 You want a man that when bad happens, he steps up and he goes, okay, this is what we're going to do.

01:02:07.000 Everybody calm down.

01:02:09.000 Think this through and we're going to figure out a plan.

01:02:13.000 What you don't want, and I promise you this, you think you want the guy who's going to take out the trash and do whatever you say and do all the chores and bend to your will all the time. 0.99

01:02:21.000 If you get that guy, you will be drier than the Sahara for the rest of your life and you'll be looking at the six foot tall chads who don't give a shit what you say. 0.98

01:02:30.000 I'm just telling you, like that's the truth. 0.99

01:02:32.000 Your ovaries will retreat, especially after the first baby. 0.93

01:02:35.000 I think this happens a lot.

01:02:37.000 They retract up into the body.

01:02:38.000 They do. 0.98

01:02:39.000 And they're just like, simultaneously with our testicles. 0.99

01:02:42.000 You want a guy, a virtuous man with warlord potential. 1.00

01:02:47.000 You want a monster who doesn't act on it.

01:02:49.000 Yes.

01:02:49.000 You want, yeah, you want a guy who could be, Jordan Peterson says this, and he's right about it.

01:02:53.000 You want a guy who could be very dangerous, but to other people who are a threat to you.

01:02:58.000 So I'm, I'm a very like easy to sway kind of person, even though I'm, I'm kind of tough for a girl.

01:03:06.000 I'm like, you are a tough girl.

01:03:08.000 I'm very maternal, though, and I want to make everyone happy and I want to make everything okay for everyone.

01:03:13.000 And one of the best things Andrew ever did for me is he can spot anyone who's going to take advantage of me from like 10 miles away.

01:03:19.000 And he's like, nope, get out of here.

01:03:21.000 Yeah.

01:03:22.000 You want a guy who's going to protect your peace like that.

01:03:24.000 And sometimes him protecting your peace might mean him going, okay, we need a nap.

01:03:29.000 You're going to go in here and you're going to take a nap because you are cranky and you're tired and you need a nap.

01:03:34.000 And you won't like it in the moment, but he's doing what's best for you.

01:03:38.000 Inside baseball, because obviously, and just to be clear, your family has been very good to me.

01:03:42.000 We've become friends.

01:03:43.000 And I very much, I think, I've always said that men and women can't be friends.

01:03:45.000 This is as close to, I think, as it gets because I know your husband.

01:03:49.000 Yeah.

01:03:49.000 And like, it was a group that I'm like, Rachel, get out here because, you know, we want to continue this momentum with everyone just can't get enough of you on Rogan.

01:03:56.000 He's done that. 0.98

01:03:56.000 He is not infantilizing you because I guarantee you, when he's trying to protect you from people who are taking, it's uncomfortable because sometimes they might be, you know, they might be shining your ass. 0.98

01:04:06.000 And he's like, no. 0.97

01:04:08.000 He's done that same thing with me where he's, he actually one point said, you know what Andrew said to me one time?

01:04:13.000 I won't get into names, but I think you know it was regarding somewhat of a controversy and a person in the space.

01:04:19.000 And he said, and you know what, man?

01:04:21.000 He said, like, let me guess. 0.97

01:04:22.000 They asked you to do this and you went into capitulate mode because, you know, because you've been said, it's been said that you're a f ⁇ ing monster and you want to make everyone happy. 0.92

01:04:31.000 He goes, and you bent over backwards. 0.91

01:04:34.000 He goes, you know what?

01:04:35.000 It's kind of, it's kind of annoying. 0.98

01:04:36.000 I don't want to shit on you, but it's kind of annoying to watch someone who's in the position that you are in this movement bend over backwards for people who are f ⁇ ing you. 0.97

01:04:44.000 I'm just telling you, like, we don't want to see our general get shot. 0.98

01:04:47.000 So it kind of bothers me.

01:04:49.000 And I was like, geez, I didn't know you felt that way, Andrew.

01:04:51.000 Yeah.

01:04:52.000 I was like, but it was tough.

01:04:53.000 And my lady, my woman, will tell you, like, I got off the phone with Andrew and I said, I've made my decision.

01:05:00.000 Yeah.

01:05:01.000 Because everyone else is like, be, you know, make, be diplomatic about it.

01:05:03.000 But it was one where it wouldn't have worked.

01:05:05.000 Right.

01:05:06.000 So he is treating you the same way that he does men because it's an uncomfortable truth.

01:05:09.000 And we do that with other men all the time.

01:05:11.000 Yeah.

01:05:12.000 But those, yeah, I think those are, those are good, good things to list or good things to look for.

01:05:17.000 I have other questions.

01:05:18.000 I have questions about you and Andrew.

01:05:19.000 I don't want to do it.

01:05:20.000 Spill the tea.

01:05:22.000 Spill the tea.

01:05:23.000 I don't know if that's the thing.

01:05:24.000 Is that what they say now?

01:05:25.000 I think so.

01:05:25.000 Spill the tea?

01:05:26.000 Dish.

01:05:27.000 Will dawn.

01:05:30.000 Are we going to go into call her daddy mode now?

01:05:33.000 No, we're going to, yeah.

01:05:34.000 Like, can you sh on your husband in front of the whole world?

01:05:37.000 Jorn tried to listen to one of those like all women podcasts. 0.99

01:05:41.000 I actually, I was, I ended up in the suicide.

01:05:43.000 And you're just like, I can't do it.

01:05:45.000 Yeah.

01:05:46.000 I can't do it.

01:05:46.000 I've tried.

01:05:47.000 I fed myself a Razorblade apple.

01:05:49.000 And by the way, that wasn't even a thing.

01:05:50.000 That was a myth.

01:05:51.000 I thought it would work.

01:05:52.000 It didn't because I was watching Call Me Daddy or Call Her Day.

01:05:55.000 And you're like, you ate your own Razorblade apple?

01:05:57.000 I was like, that wasn't even a trick.

01:05:59.000 I was like, I just did it because I felt like I wanted to.

01:06:00.000 That's what hell would be for me.

01:06:02.000 Call her daddy. 0.80

01:06:03.000 That's why I have to go to church and I have to take communion because it would just be non-stop.

01:06:08.000 Yes.

01:06:09.000 Oh, my God, girl.

01:06:10.000 Yes.

01:06:11.000 Oh, and I felt it in my soul.

01:06:13.000 And, you know, like all the.

01:06:15.000 You can feel that.

01:06:16.000 You can tell.

01:06:17.000 Yeah.

01:06:17.000 You can tell.

01:06:18.000 Trust your instinct.

01:06:19.000 Which is funny because men probably have instincts that are more on the ball because their instincts are a combination.

01:06:25.000 And they do this.

01:06:26.000 Okay.

01:06:26.000 So you're talking right.

01:06:27.000 And I'll be the girl podcaster and make a good point about something.

01:06:31.000 Now I'm uncomfortable.

01:06:32.000 You put me on the spot.

01:06:33.000 It's like asking me to do an impression.

01:06:34.000 But yeah, they'll be like, you know, men will combine their instincts with logic.

01:06:40.000 Stop it.

01:06:41.000 I can't do this.

01:06:43.000 I can't do this.

01:06:44.000 Andrew, your wife's doing ASMR on my show, and it's disrespectful. 1.00

01:06:48.000 That's all it is.

01:06:49.000 It's the one girl talking about how she feels and the other girl going, hmm.

01:06:53.000 Yes.

01:06:54.000 Oh.

01:06:55.000 Yeah, I know.

01:06:56.000 Oh, that resonates with me.

01:06:58.000 Well, sorry.

01:07:02.000 That's why we need you out there because I don't think you're meaner than Andrew.

01:07:07.000 I think that you can get away with things that Andrew can't say because you're a lady.

01:07:10.000 Yeah.

01:07:10.000 I think when they do the like a whatever podcast, like rate yourself from one to 10 and a girl is like a three.

01:07:15.000 And she's like, I'm like a 10.

01:07:16.000 Andrew said, do you really think so?

01:07:17.000 And you can be like, you're a four.

01:07:19.000 Yeah, pretty much.

01:07:20.000 You can do it.

01:07:21.000 And they'll just be like, well, I rated myself a five when I was on.

01:07:25.000 And women were like, I'm a guy, because Andrew rated me a six.

01:07:30.000 Listen, we're talking about just looks.

01:07:33.000 I'm 45 years old.

01:07:34.000 I've had five kids.

01:07:36.000 Okay.

01:07:36.000 And I'm just an average mom, which is fine.

01:07:40.000 There's nothing wrong with that.

01:07:41.000 I don't have to be a beauty queen or a supermodel.

01:07:43.000 Yeah, you're higher than a five.

01:07:45.000 Do you think that's a good thing?

01:07:45.000 I think I'm just, look, I walk down the street.

01:07:48.000 I look like any other lady. 0.98

01:07:50.000 I'm just average.

01:07:51.000 I'm just normal.

01:07:52.000 I'm just.

01:07:54.000 Some people might say a six.

01:07:56.000 Some people might say a four.

01:07:57.000 So I just split the difference.

01:07:59.000 I say, I'm a five.

01:08:00.000 Women lost their mind that I was willing to say that. 1.00

01:08:03.000 And you know why?

01:08:04.000 It's because I'm giving the game away.

01:08:06.000 They're like, don't you dare.

01:08:07.000 We all have to say we're a 10.

01:08:09.000 Right.

01:08:09.000 You're giving the game away by being honest.

01:08:12.000 Don't do that.

01:08:13.000 They got so mad at me.

01:08:14.000 Well, you know, my lady's lieutenant. 0.91

01:08:15.000 She got mad because we were watching that show.

01:08:17.000 I think you were on where women were rating themselves. 1.00

01:08:19.000 And they're just like, what would you rate yourself?

01:08:21.000 And she got mad at me because I said, I was like a seven.

01:08:24.000 She's like, no, I wouldn't be with a seven.

01:08:26.000 What is wrong with you?

01:08:27.000 I'm not going to go tell people that I'm with a seven.

01:08:29.000 She's like, I was like, okay.

01:08:30.000 So it's like, I think that too, though, because Andrew always gives himself like an absurdly low number.

01:08:35.000 And I'm like, sir, you are like an, look, I have a type and he's like 100%.

01:08:42.000 He could do more to help himself.

01:08:43.000 Like he's not Richard Lewis or Johnny Cash.

01:08:45.000 He doesn't always have to wear a black shirt.

01:08:47.000 Like he could, you know what I mean?

01:08:48.000 Like in other words, but he does have those baby blues where even every now and then like, you know, he'll like that look where you're like, oh, he just got pissed about something.

01:08:55.000 I'm like, I know exactly what's happening.

01:08:57.000 And then I go, well, see, it was actually like love at first sight for me.

01:09:02.000 Really?

01:09:02.000 Yes.

01:09:03.000 Will he be naked?

01:09:04.000 No, he wasn't naked, but he had just gotten out of basic training.

01:09:07.000 So he was like kind of buff and he was really tan.

01:09:09.000 And I was meeting him for the first time.

01:09:12.000 So that wasn't just the jaundice from chain smoking cigarettes?

01:09:14.000 I was like, what am I doing?

01:09:15.000 What am I doing?

01:09:16.000 I don't need to date anybody.

01:09:17.000 Why am I meeting somebody?

01:09:19.000 I've got to call this off.

01:09:19.000 I've got to cancel it.

01:09:20.000 And I couldn't get a hold of him to cancel it.

01:09:22.000 So I had a whole bailout plan with my neighbor.

01:09:24.000 I was like, I'm just going to get rid of this guy.

01:09:25.000 It's a terrible idea.

01:09:26.000 I don't know what I'm thinking.

01:09:28.000 And he shows up and I open my door and I saw him.

01:09:30.000 And it was like the scene from Wayne's World where he sees Cassandra and Dreamweaver starts playing.

01:09:35.000 And I was like, Tia Carrera.

01:09:36.000 Yeah.

01:09:36.000 I was just like, wow.

01:09:38.000 And I had frumped myself down on purpose.

01:09:40.000 No makeup.

01:09:41.000 We're Midwestern.

01:09:42.000 Ponytail, just mom jeans.

01:09:44.000 I was like, he won't be interested in all.

01:09:46.000 And I remember saying, like, under my breath, I hope he likes my personality.

01:09:52.000 Including remote throwing.

01:09:54.000 Yeah, well, I tell you what.

01:09:56.000 Luckily, he was willing to really hang in.

01:09:57.000 I franchise that.

01:09:58.000 You've seen the axe throwing.

01:10:00.000 We could call it the Wilsons remote control.

01:10:04.000 And we'll just have like TVs that are those Velcro dartboards where you just whip them.

01:10:07.000 Yeah.

01:10:08.000 All right.

01:10:08.000 Look, we're old parents now.

01:10:10.000 Okay.

01:10:10.000 So we consider ourselves average.

01:10:11.000 That's all I want to say about that.

01:10:13.000 And people get really bad for some reason.

01:10:14.000 I'm just like, look, nobody has me on their podcast because I'm, you know, a top model.

01:10:21.000 That's a smart girl.

01:10:22.000 That's fine.

01:10:23.000 I rarely, because I, Andrew, and I know this.

01:10:26.000 You can't give yourself a pat in the back.

01:10:28.000 It was my idea for you to go with Andrew to Joe Rogan.

01:10:31.000 I was like, get the book in front of him.

01:10:32.000 That's true.

01:10:32.000 I was like, get the book in front of him because I guarantee you that that, like, it's, he's the kind of guy who's a Maven.

01:10:36.000 It'll be super interesting.

01:10:38.000 And then we're saying, and she's going to have the floor more than you because she's a lady and still give them the floor. 1.00

01:10:43.000 Yeah.

01:10:43.000 And when I saw you there, I was like, me and my lady, we stayed up late watching Andrew and then watching yours.

01:10:50.000 And I turned to her and I said, she just became the preeminent voice on this subject in this space because there really aren't many.

01:10:58.000 So the book is occult feminine.

01:11:02.000 I don't want to get her.

01:11:03.000 Occult feminism, the secret history of women's liberation. 0.75

01:11:05.000 It's a long title.

01:11:06.000 I know.

01:11:07.000 I just say the occult, the old.

01:11:08.000 I didn't just say cult feminist.

01:11:09.000 I say the cult book.

01:11:10.000 Yeah.

01:11:11.000 That's what I say.

01:11:11.000 Okay, give me my cult book.

01:11:12.000 I have some notes.

01:11:14.000 And actually, before we go, we're going to go to Rumble Premium.

01:11:18.000 If you are not a member, you can click down there and join.

01:11:20.000 We'll continue and I will get her to spill the tea. 0.99

01:11:24.000 Yes.

01:11:26.000 I can't do it as well as you.

01:11:27.000 But before that, too, for people out there who are already kind of in your camp, who want to be able to sort of be ambassadors, Debate University.

01:11:38.000 You know, we actually took, mine wasn't really teaching so much, not like you and Andrew.

01:11:43.000 Andrew is, he's a student of this.

01:11:45.000 I kind of got tossed into it.

01:11:47.000 So Andrew said, just when you do yours, kind of talk about your experiences because I don't have formal training in it.

01:11:51.000 Andrew does, you do.

01:11:53.000 Debate University, you can buy the course for, I guess it's $150 if you previously purchased the Verbal Combat Course right now.

01:12:00.000 Verbaljudo, debateuniversity.com.

01:12:02.000 We're going to go to Rumble Premium, but here's a trailer for that.

01:12:05.000 If you want to be, I mean, airtight, locked down, capable of arguing or convincing people on these topics, namely feminism, watch this and then we'll continue spilling the tea. 0.98

01:12:20.000 You don't have to be the next Julius Caesar in order to change the world.

01:12:24.000 I would say that my approach is probably more suitable if you find yourself at a dinner table because that's not always in Andrew's wheelhouse.

01:12:31.000 God love him.

01:12:32.000 I've heard the horror stories of how feminism has ruined the lives of men, women, and children right in my backyard. 1.00

01:12:38.000 Most of what the public believes about the history of women's rights is historically inaccurate at best and blatant lies and propaganda at worst.

01:12:45.000 Most people have no idea how to defend what it is that they believe.

01:12:49.000 This course exists to change that.

01:12:51.000 Take that and add to it truth.

01:12:54.000 You got a wedding formula.

01:12:55.000 You just have to not be afraid.

Louder with Crowder - March 13, 2026

Hidden Origins of Feminism: Socialists, Polygamists & Con Artists | Ash Wednesday with Rachel Wilson

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