Rachel Wilson is a stand-up comic and writer. She was on Joe Rogan's show "Rogan's Run" in which she talked about the history of feminism, rage for patriarchy, and her new book, "The Secret History of Feminism." She also talks about being a tomboy growing up in the country on a dairy farm, and what it's like to be a woman in the big city.
00:00:57.000See, to a man, I looked at the right camera.
00:01:00.000So, Ash, this is one time where we change the set, and I don't have the microphone, though, where we change the set, and I always want to, that's usually my camera, but I'm looking at this camera, but this is not the camera you need to worry about.
00:01:16.000She was on Joe Rogan, and a lot of people watched, a lot of people tune in, learned a lot about the history of feminism, rage for patriarchy on X, and her book.
00:01:25.000You have their occult feminism, The Secret History.
00:02:59.000And when you grow up in the creek, you know, trying to catch crawfish with boys or they throw you in the shit pits on the farm on the dairy farm or whatever.
00:03:08.000You try to go hunting with them and stuff like that.
00:03:11.000You actually find out that you're very different from the boys and that you cannot do the same things the boys can do in the same way that the boys can do it.
00:03:20.000Whereas I think if you're like a city girl and you grow up really insulated from that, you really think that you can like, you know, fight a six-foot-two ice agent in the streets of Minneapolis.
00:03:28.000You watch the ballerina and you're like, it does make just as much sense as John Wick.
00:03:41.000On dairy farms, there's troughs that run behind all the cows and all of the waste, liquid and solid, just runs down and it goes into a huge pit and then they suck it up and spray it on the cornfields for fertilizer.
00:04:44.000Let me get the generic stuff out of the way as far as, but I do think this is something, it sounds generic, but for people who are tuning in, like I'm sure you run into this.
00:04:53.000It's kind of old hat for you because you've been doing this for so long.
00:04:56.000But you must pretty often still run into someone who's just shocked when you deliver the first bits of information like on women's suffrage, the 19th.
00:05:05.000So for people who may be new, and I can't recommend the book enough.
00:06:07.000Actually, a lot of the suffrage movement kind of overlapped with and piggybacked off of like a lot of the blacks' rights, civil rights stuff post-Civil War, which a lot of those people did not appreciate.
00:06:20.000They were like, why are these rich white, like urban women trying to like throw their plight in with us and act like they're oppressed?
00:07:09.000It was deeply unpopular with all of America, but especially with women.
00:07:13.000In fact, in the history of women's suffrage, Susan B. Anthony said, and Elizabeth Stady Canton as well said, they said, we'd never get this passed if it was up to women.
00:07:23.000If it was just women voting on it, we would never get it passed.
00:07:26.000In fact, they had a lot of early referendums in certain states, like in Massachusetts, they had a big one where it was like only 4% of eligible women who could vote in the referendum on whether they wanted the vote on the ballot at all, even bothered to show up.
00:07:42.000And the ones that did show up voted for it, but it was like a tiny minority.
00:07:47.000And every time they would poll or, you know, let women vote in referendums, they would say no.
00:07:54.000I mean, it was like deeply, deeply unpopular.
00:07:56.000There was more women who were groups of members of anti-suffrage groups than pro-suffrage groups until like right before the passage of the 19th.
00:08:41.000Yeah, and that's because we look back at history through a presentist lens.
00:08:45.000We're looking at things that happened 100, 150 years ago through our 2026 eyes with all of our preconceptions about what rights are and about what America is and what democracy looks like and all that sort of thing.
00:08:58.000But we're talking the mid to late 1800s.
00:09:01.000Women in the United States already felt that they had kind of a privileged position over men because a lot of states had laws in place.
00:09:09.000For example, like New York, if you were a wealthy woman and you entered into marriage, you had a lot of protections for whatever your inheritance was, whatever things you already owned.
00:09:41.000So if you don't like it or you think I'm wrong, you'll have to take it up with, you know, Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton and all of the other prominent suffragists who were writing at the time and saying, we cannot get women on board with this because they already have everything they want, pretty much.
00:11:28.000But you had, and this is what feminists will do.
00:11:31.000So like the whole history, the reason it's presented a certain way, the reason we've all heard the same story about it, is because of all the PR problems.
00:11:40.000So the real support for early suffrages came from socialists.
00:11:47.000It came from people who wanted to legalize prostitution.
00:11:52.000It came from a lot of, you know, Sources that, especially back then, were seen as like kind of beneath most people, like down in the mud kind of thing.
00:12:02.000And so, yeah, I guess there were some things that maybe some women weren't allowed to do, but it's always, but nobody ever talks about it as though, yeah, that was the case for everyone.
00:12:13.000Most men couldn't get into those programs.
00:12:37.000That was almost never the case historically and wasn't the case in the United States.
00:12:40.000Can you kind of fill people in on some of the expectations or responsibilities that needed to be met even by men in order to vote?
00:12:48.000Well, it depended on the place because especially at this time period, states' rights were more important.
00:12:54.000And so it depended the state or territory that you were in, like Wyoming gave women the right to vote early in order to be able to become a state.
00:13:02.000So it wasn't so much that they were like, oh, we just really care about these broads opinions.
00:13:08.000So same thing with Utah, with the Mormons.
00:13:10.000They wanted to keep polygamy legal, so they granted early women's voting rights and things like that.
00:13:15.000But most men in most states, there were restrictions.
00:13:19.000It could be anything from a poll tax, which if you couldn't afford, you couldn't vote, too bad for you.
00:13:24.000A literacy test, a civics test, religious requirements in some states.
00:13:29.000You had to at least proclaim some kind of Christian faith or maybe even a specific denomination, depending on where you were.
00:13:37.000age restrictions racial restrictions uh there were a lot of obviously the draft And even I think some states had mandatory bucket duty volunteer firefighter service.
00:14:07.000And there was even a period of time where some women were able to vote in certain states where they didn't have to meet requirements while men in said location couldn't vote.
00:14:39.000There's a big barrier to breaking down all these myths and lies and trying to correct the historical record because I think if most people knew these things, they would just have a different opinion.
00:14:49.000Not saying they would say, oh, put all the women back in the kitchen and take away their right to vote.
00:14:53.000I'm saying they would at least have a more accurate perception of how things unfolded, why they unfolded that way.
00:15:00.000And like you said, let's play devil's advocate and why did women say they didn't want the right to vote?
00:15:04.000Well, there's a couple of really good reasons.
00:15:19.000You're not just another voting block that politicians are going to campaign and pander to and tell you whatever you want to hear so you'll vote.
00:15:26.000And then when they get in, they do whatever they want, which is what we always get, right?
00:15:30.000So back then, like women got prohibition passed.
00:15:53.000So, they did have a voice, this idea that women couldn't speak in public.
00:15:58.000My other favorite one is: well, Rachel, you're benefiting from feminism by being on Stevens' show right now.
00:16:03.000You couldn't have done that back then.
00:16:04.000I don't think anyone's saying that, but continue with the thought.
00:16:07.000I get told this all the time that I wouldn't be able to be here.
00:16:12.000I wouldn't be able to be on a podcast or write a book.
00:16:16.000Well, then explain to me how Mary Wollstonecraft was gallivanting around Europe in the 1700s, having children out of wedlock, having threesomes with her employers, having all kinds of sordid activities that the whole public knew about.
00:16:58.000And they'll take things like the fact that education was not co-ed yet.
00:17:03.000So like they had women's universities.
00:17:05.000Some of the first colleges in this country were women's seminaries and women's universities.
00:17:11.000A lot of women had access to higher education before men did in America.
00:17:15.000But because they separated it and they had like men's institutions and women's institutions, feminists will say we didn't have equal access.
00:17:23.000So they use sneaky tactics and they twist the language to make it sound a certain way when that's not.
00:17:30.000And then you end up with a period of time where the men's universities are co-ed and they're still women's only universities.
00:17:36.000Well, it's like Curves for universities.
00:17:38.000You have your completely own university and we've got to share ours.
00:17:42.000Which, by the way, how long do you think before like an all-men's gym like Curves turns into a gay bar?
00:18:05.000Well, you know, it takes away a lot of the incentive to go to an all-female gym because who are you going to do your Romanian deadlifts in your booty shorts in front of?
00:19:13.000And so if you do have problems bracing your core, you can really mess yourself up.
00:19:18.000I say this because it's important because you are sort of an anomaly because you'll listen to all these catty bitches on like the whatever podcast.
00:19:27.000Like, well, maybe some women are stronger than men.
00:19:35.000Well, I do think it's changed my perspective because I know that my untrained husband who doesn't work out religiously within a couple months of just learning some basic technique would blow past me, you know, after years and years of meeting.
00:20:00.000You know, as Christians, we're always called the science deniers, but we're the ones that understand that gender doesn't mean anything unless it references sex.
00:20:49.000But there were women writing in the 1840s.
00:20:53.000Like Margaret Fuller was the first like widely published feminist writer in America.
00:20:58.000And in the 1840s, she was writing about gender as a spectrum and it being the final frontier that we have to conquer in order to transcend our human limitations.
00:21:09.000And because she was like this monist, it was like prototypical new age stuff.
00:21:36.000You will not find a study that exists that says a male body can be born with a female brain or vice versa.
00:21:43.000Matter of fact, every time I conduct them, the more thorough the study, the more rigorous, people go like, ah, the changes only occur after cross-sex hormone replacement therapy.
00:22:58.000But as far as like women wanting the vote, eventually they did, but it took, again, a lot of Of propaganda of being pushed in that direction and being told repeatedly that, like, you're, this is the core of what we've done with women, how we've swayed them towards feminism is to tell them, if you're not on board with this, you are stupid.
00:23:32.000You're not going to go and make your voice be heard.
00:23:34.000You're not going to, you know, so it was a lot of propaganda to push women to this because one of the things they argued why they didn't want the vote was that politics is dirty business, which is true.
00:23:46.000They were like, we don't want to be down in the mud rolling around with socialists and arguing all the time.
00:23:53.000They felt like it was kind of beneath women.
00:23:55.000And women are mostly, this is another thing where I'm kind of weird.
00:23:58.000They're usually very conflict avoidant.
00:24:09.000And they were like, are you really going to make us go out and like debate all this stuff?
00:24:14.000And also, let's just be honest, most women don't want to learn all the ins and outs of economics and foreign policy and geopolitics and all that stuff.
00:24:24.000They're more interested in their immediate family circle, what's going on with the kids, how's grandma doing, what's going on at the church and the community center.
00:24:32.000And they felt like they were very busy with those things.
00:24:34.000They were like, we've got plenty going on.
00:24:36.000Because at the time, you know, you've got five kids on average.
00:25:20.000Well, where does that, where do they invest that mothering, nurturing instinct?
00:25:24.000And now that's why you have women out voting men because they go, well, I don't have that sort of protective, that vulnerable child to protect and to serve as a mother.
00:25:33.000Let me pick the marginalized class of the day.
00:25:35.000And that's how you see the completely illogical women supporting both Palestine along with LGBTQAIP.
00:25:56.000And we know there's something there because the same people who really shoved the 19th through and really got it across the finish line are the same guys that met in secret at the Jekyll Island Club to create the income tax, the Federal Reserve Act, and to institute the compulsory public education system.
00:26:16.000And this was a big push to, remember, we're like just post-big time industrialization.
00:26:24.000We've got all these big factories and we need lots of workers and we need cheap labor.
00:26:28.000And at the time, it was tough to get enough immigrants in.
00:27:32.000It was a lot of those who were captains of industry and an unholy alliance with further left-leaning political groups, like you mentioned, socialists, to get more people into the workforce, right?
00:27:43.000So like they, so like the Carnegie family, big industrialists, they used Victoria Woodhull and her sister to, they gave them money and let them set up one of the first like really leftist feminist magazines in the country.
00:27:59.000And it was the first press in the United States to widely publish and distribute the Communist Manifesto.
00:28:07.000So take from that what you will, but then also start pumping out this feminist propaganda, things that, I mean, Woodhull called marriage just prostitution by another name.
00:28:17.000It was this first push to convince women that like marriage is a trap.
00:28:21.000Your husband is the real threat to you.
00:28:23.000He's the guy that you have to watch out for.
00:28:25.000He's the one that's going to be the danger.
00:28:27.000And we've done a really good job of convincing women of that to the point that if people are watching these ICE protests and these insane women, it's all women going up to ICE and calling them names, threatening them, saying they're going to kick their ass, telling them they have a little dick, all this.
00:29:02.000The reason you see that is because we're now 100 years into women repeatedly hearing all the time through movies, media, all the universities are just Marxist feminist propaganda machines now.
00:29:16.000They're thoroughly convinced, and I know this in my own life too.
00:29:19.000My mother was this way, that your husband is the bad guy.
00:29:23.000He's the avatar of the evil white controlling man who wants to dominate you and wants you to be subservient.
00:29:30.000Think about the 1970s and we had movies like the Stepford Wives, which they did a remake of with Nicole Kidman just to bring it back and circle it back around.
00:30:32.000And like you said, we still have this mothering instinct.
00:30:35.000We still have, you can't escape your nature.
00:30:37.000It's part of, it's a logical contradiction to escape your nature.
00:30:41.000The law of identity says if your identity is not consistent across time, then it's not your identity.
00:30:47.000So you can't take that mothering instinct that women are born with and tell them not to have kids and then think that that's going to go well.
00:31:00.000My second book's coming out later this year, and it goes over all of the Marxist side more in depth because the first one is more about the kind of liberal capitalist side in America and England and Australia.
00:31:12.000And to be, I also want to make sure, I want to, but you also point out too, and I do appreciate that you differentiate because a lot of people, now everything is demonic.
00:31:19.000You point out that a lot of these were also fake spiritualists with seances.
00:31:22.000They were just, they were snake oil sales ladies.
00:31:25.000And there's, you know, they just, it's kind of like, you know, founders of religions who we find out were scam artists long before where they go from scam to scam.
00:31:32.000They went from the scam of the table is rising.
00:31:34.000I can speak with the dead for, you know, whatever this five bucks to, oh yeah, feminism.
00:31:39.000So they use that as a vehicle to push the propaganda.
00:31:42.000I'm not, people will take a look at the book cover and either think that I'm saying witchcraft and feminism is good, or they'll think that I'm saying I'm doing the typical like 1980s tipper gore, everything's demonic, satanic panic thing.
00:31:58.000I'm telling you that some of them firmly believed this and were like actual high priestesses in occult organizations, but a lot of them claimed to be automatic writers or spiritualists or fortune tellers as a way to get in and get in with business guys and get funding for things and have influence and get people to listen to what they were saying.
00:32:18.000So I mean, the same thing you just take it, replace it with Helen Keller.
00:32:21.000I don't feel like that's a complete scam.
00:33:01.000And she's like, she's like, oh, she's saying the plight of the bourgeois, the proletariat.
00:33:06.000That's what some of these women would do.
00:33:07.000They would give speeches on behalf of women's suffrage and say that they were channeling the ghost of like an ancient Roman guy or something like that in order to get people in and create sensation and get it in the headlines and all that sort of thing.
00:33:20.000And spiritualism was a big trend in America at the time.
00:33:24.000So it just got a lot of eyeballs on it and things like that.
00:33:27.000But the reason we have crazy women in the streets trying to run over ice is because you all K through 12, they're told that boys are inherently violent.
00:33:38.000Girls are inherently good natured and angelic.
00:34:05.000In my section, I take all the care in the world to debunk that sort of thing and show you how they fudge the statistics, how they use surveys and self-ID and all this stuff to kind of twist things and make it sound like just every man around a corner is waiting to rape.
00:34:19.000Well, it's the same thing they do where they go, you know, immigrants are more law-abiding than native-born citizens.
00:34:24.000No, what they're doing is they're taking legal immigrants who, by the way, have an incentive to abide by the law because they're looking to get, you know, their green card, and they lump it all in.
00:34:31.000So when you get to the really sort of quantifiable statistic, okay, someone who's here illegally, well, it's tough to track.
00:34:37.000So because they typically actually don't answer your questions and they're, they're not on the books.
00:34:41.000So what we do have is the incarceration rate.
00:34:43.000And you look at, they're about one and a half to four times as likely to be incarcerated.
00:34:47.000So it's a talking point that they use.
00:34:49.000They do the same thing with this, like you're talking about with women.
00:34:52.000Well, when you get to the rape kits, when you get to the actual reports, it's not even close.
00:34:57.000Yeah, stuff like, that guy rubbed my shoulders and I didn't ask him to is counted as sexual assault, which think of it if we did the statistics the same way for men.
00:35:08.000How many times does a woman touch a man's chest or smack him on the butt or make an off-color sexual comment to the guy?
00:35:16.000It's never going to get reported as sexual assault.
00:35:19.000There's never going to be a complaint made to HR when a woman does that to a man.
00:35:23.000But if we did, I think it would not only be like equal, but I think women might be the greater offenders if you quantified everything that way and you made it equal across the board.
00:35:33.000Because women feel very comfortable doing that.
00:35:35.000How many times do we see like famous actresses and stuff with like look how Justin Bieber was treated by older women in Hollywood?
00:35:43.000They would make sexual comments about him.
00:35:46.000And everybody thinks that's fine and normal and nobody says anything about it.
00:35:50.000But if it's a woman, it's like, oh my God, it's a predator.
00:35:52.000So it's, there's always, there's always a lot involved in how they present things and they present it and it's all due to framing.
00:36:00.000If you ever just broke down the feminist framing on how we have these conversations and you debunked it and you said, well, wait a minute, is that true for men?
00:36:09.000So like when we're looking historically at women's oppression, is that also true for men?
00:36:15.000So like women had this literacy rate in 1850.
00:36:20.000Okay, let's look at men's literacy rate.
00:36:22.000Oh, it was worse in some places and maybe even in others, you know, things like that.
00:36:28.000Like look at, you know, white liberal women in New York in 1890 versus any man in the South.
00:36:35.000They had way higher literacy rates than Southern men did.
00:36:39.000So you can't just say like historically men had all the rights and women had none.
00:36:43.000It's just a false way of looking at things.
00:36:46.000But they'll use that framing to convince women that you're a victim, you're oppressed, and the people you need to worry about is your dad, your husband, the policeman, and the ICE agent and any man with authority.
00:37:01.000Any man with authority is going to abuse you.
00:37:03.000And so that's why you see crazy women in the streets trying to save the illegal migrant guy who molested three kids from the big, bad, mean ICE agent because they see a man with authority, especially if he's white, and they're like, that's the enemy.
00:40:03.000So we went back to talking about who were the politicians and the powerful people that wanted the 19th past and wanted women voting.
00:40:10.000It wasn't just because you get cheap labor from women when you convince mothers and married women to join the workforce.
00:40:17.000It wasn't just because you get to tax two people in the household instead of one.
00:40:21.000It wasn't just because you have compulsory education now while mommy's at work, the children go to the state-run schools and get indoctrinated with whatever the state wants them to believe about things.
00:40:33.000It was also this idea that like if you can get women out of the home and kind of separate the family, you'll have women voting against their husbands' interests, which is one of the reasons the anti-suffragists said they did not want the vote.
00:40:49.000They could see, they were like, this is going to break up families.
00:40:52.000It's going to drive husband and wife against each other.
00:40:55.000Because if you wanted a big welfare state, which is what they were trying to achieve at this time, women are going to vote for that.
00:41:15.000If they think there's a reward and they can, you know, create a legacy for their family, they're willing to risk it.
00:41:21.000Women are moms and they're thinking about babies and the vulnerable and the starving and all the people who can't take care of themselves and they want this big welfare state.
00:41:39.000Remember that I pissed myself laughing when she faked like she had handcuffs and she took, I was like, oh my gosh, this is just exactly what you would expect.
00:41:47.000Well, women, the thing about women is we're easier to propagandize when it comes to tugging on our heartstrings.
00:41:53.000And that's why, ever since women started to be the bigger voting block, every political campaign of my lifetime and yours, it's the Republicans want to take away children's lunch.
00:42:05.000They want to take away grandma's Medicaid.
00:42:07.000You know, they would show a Republican pushing grandma off the cliff in her wheelchair and stuff like that.
00:42:40.000And I didn't get a chance to answer before the other ones chimed in and they were like, aren't the Democrats the ones that care about like poor people and old people and Republicans are like the mean business guys that just want money?
00:42:51.000Yeah, yeah, I'm voting for a Democrat.
00:42:56.000Okay, so when you let 22-year-old women vote, all they know is Democrats care about old people and children, and Republicans are mean businessmen.
00:43:05.000They don't know anything other than most of them.
00:43:08.000And the ones who do know more than that are generally in university being taught by Marxist professors and being told basically that same thing, just in more complicated terms.
00:43:17.000Yeah, they don't really understand what it is they're voting for 99% of the time.
00:43:22.000I hate to say that, but I think it's true.
00:43:24.000I mean, I would say this, I would say the same thing of leftist men in general, just people who vote left across the board, but women overwhelmingly vote.
00:43:34.000It's the white middle-class women, it's the only demographic big enough to elect Democrat presidents.
00:44:01.000So some of you aren't really necessarily telling the truth.
00:44:04.000Remember that commercial of the woman going into the voting booth and the husband like, oh, I'm going to kill you if you don't vote my thing.
00:44:09.000And then you sit there, like, well, that seems terrible.
00:44:38.000And I think we both would acknowledge that women tend to have a more difficult time facing accountability because they've been raised in a way where they haven't had to face it than men have.
00:45:29.000Chelsea Handler trying to convince us all that she loves waking up alone, smoking a joint or eating an edible and going back to bed until noon and then ordering Thai food by herself and skiing in a bikini and you know, all this, you know, there's a lot of that cope going on.
00:46:17.000The second most common one I get is older women, usually in their 60s.
00:46:21.000It's like across the board, especially since the Joe Rogan thing, the amount of emails and DMs I've gotten from women who are 60, 62, 65, anywhere in there saying, they got me.
00:46:57.000I just retired from my corporate job that I never really liked.
00:47:01.000But I kind of got stuck and here I am.
00:47:03.000Yeah, but you're such an outlier is a thing.
00:47:06.000Like I have, this is one thing, like men who I know, you know, when you go through it, even whether it's divorce attorneys, they'll say it's terrible.
00:47:35.000To women out there, young women, if you were to try and tell them, like, don't believe X-Lie or feel free to do, like, what message would you give to them if you had to try and cut off at the past them putting themselves on a path to perpetual unhappiness?
00:47:51.000Because that's what needs, and there need to be enough women doing that.
00:47:53.000Well, it's not the men trying to convince you of a certain thing because they want to control you, because they want a mindless sex puppet or whatever.
00:48:02.000It's women like Simone de Beauvoir, who in a 1970s interview with Betty Friedan said, I don't think we should give women the option to stay home and have children, precisely because if there is such an option, too many women will choose that.
00:48:18.000She said, I think society should be run completely differently.
00:48:21.000And we should use pressure, social pressure, to convince women that doing that makes you unfulfilled.
00:48:39.000And it was on the part of women like Simone de Beauvoir, who, although she was considered one of the feminist intellectuals of the 20th century, was also a creeper who was convicted of grooming children with her partner.
00:48:52.000She was a teacher who was grooming her female students in France and lost her teaching license and got in a lot of trouble for that.
00:49:37.000They were into all kinds of creepy stuff, whether it be kids or polyamory or actual like socialist communes where everybody's sleeping with each other.
00:49:48.000These are the women who were so against the status quo of like man and woman, you know, God, husband, wife, nuclear family, extended family.
00:49:58.000They were so against it because they wanted to be off cooming.
00:50:03.000They wanted to be off doing this degenerate, disgusting stuff and didn't want to have to deal with any social stigma for it.
00:50:09.000So these are the women you're listening to.
00:50:11.000And I don't think most of you want to be her.
00:50:14.000I don't think most of you want to be Simone de Beauvoir trying to seduce your 16-year-old students so your boyfriend can get in on the action.
00:50:21.000You'd probably rather be like Mima, who had the table set for the whole family, where think about it, when you look back and you think of hearth and home and warmth and where you felt safe and people were happy, they're usually, and that's where I talk about like there's a woman at the center.
00:50:35.000I don't want to use the term matriarch, but I.
00:51:12.000You know, someone else is mostly raising her kids so she can be off doing her boss girl, look, everybody look at my ass thing.
00:51:18.000And it's like, you could do that, but my grandma, bless her, is turning 100 years old on April 1st.
00:51:25.000And when I look back over my life, I see her as like the pillar in my life of somebody who was sane and stable and normal and my safe place for me in my life.
00:51:35.000Because I had a crazy Marxist feminist mom.
00:54:13.000And if you ever want to talk to me again, you better think about why you just did that and why you thought that that was okay to do because I will not put up with that.
00:55:19.000But if you do want to ever see me again, like that's never going to happen.
00:55:22.000And that was like really clear right from the beginning.
00:55:25.000And it just that one moment completely shifted my thinking because of all the stuff that I had seen growing up.
00:55:32.000You know, like both my parents were like, throw things, break stuff, slam doors.
00:55:36.000It was like very normal in my household.
00:55:38.000And I didn't even realize how much I'd kind of been programmed with that.
00:55:42.000And then you take, think of all the pop star girls.
00:55:45.000Think of all the popular females in the culture.
00:55:48.000And I think this is why most women go this way.
00:55:50.000Because Mima, who everybody has warm memories of going to grandma's house for Thanksgiving or Christmas and maybe you got sick and grandma came over and took care of you and you always felt so safe and wonderful and you love her.
00:56:05.000She's not getting millions of dollars in magazine covers, but Taylor Swift is and Beyonce is and Katy Perry is and all of these famous actresses who give Oscar speeches about how great their abortion was.
00:57:23.000I mean, the guy bought the fucking computer.
00:57:25.000He's like, yeah, by the way, can we someone just solve breast cancer so I don't have to have an awareness month where my favorite NFL team looks like I Dream of Jeannie?
00:57:40.000That's why we have him on the show quite a bit.
00:57:42.000The other thing I would say is what you just said is really important because, I mean, ultimately, right, we should, I think, we kneel before the same cross.
00:57:50.000I'm not Orthodox, but I've gone to an Orthodox church, but we do.
00:58:12.000If you were to say there is hope, like people can change because you did.
00:58:18.000What should women, if that's what they want, look for in a man?
00:58:21.000And what should, I know you don't like giving relationship advice because circumstances are different, but like what should a man look for in a woman if that's what he wants?
00:58:28.000And what should a young woman look for in a man?
00:58:33.000So the first thing is you need to realize you're not going to find this perfect package where he or she comes with all the things you want.
00:58:44.000They might come with kids from previous relationships.
00:58:48.000But the number one thing to look for in a woman is if she will say she's sorry, because women have this very deeply ingrained, you're perfect the way you are.
01:00:43.000That's another really tough uphill battle that a lot of us are just ingrained with this knee-jerk reaction that anytime a man is displaying leadership skills, we need to pipe up and say something.
01:00:52.000We need to, well, but what about this?
01:02:09.000Think this through and we're going to figure out a plan.
01:02:13.000What you don't want, and I promise you this, you think you want the guy who's going to take out the trash and do whatever you say and do all the chores and bend to your will all the time.
01:02:21.000If you get that guy, you will be drier than the Sahara for the rest of your life and you'll be looking at the six foot tall chads who don't give a shit what you say.
01:02:30.000I'm just telling you, like that's the truth.
01:02:32.000Your ovaries will retreat, especially after the first baby.
01:03:49.000And like, it was a group that I'm like, Rachel, get out here because, you know, we want to continue this momentum with everyone just can't get enough of you on Rogan.
01:03:56.000He is not infantilizing you because I guarantee you, when he's trying to protect you from people who are taking, it's uncomfortable because sometimes they might be, you know, they might be shining your ass.
01:04:22.000They asked you to do this and you went into capitulate mode because, you know, because you've been said, it's been said that you're a f ⁇ ing monster and you want to make everyone happy.
01:04:36.000I don't want to shit on you, but it's kind of annoying to watch someone who's in the position that you are in this movement bend over backwards for people who are f ⁇ ing you.
01:04:44.000I'm just telling you, like, we don't want to see our general get shot.
01:08:48.000Like in other words, but he does have those baby blues where even every now and then like, you know, he'll like that look where you're like, oh, he just got pissed about something.
01:08:55.000I'm like, I know exactly what's happening.
01:08:57.000And then I go, well, see, it was actually like love at first sight for me.
01:11:27.000But before that, too, for people out there who are already kind of in your camp, who want to be able to sort of be ambassadors, Debate University.
01:11:38.000You know, we actually took, mine wasn't really teaching so much, not like you and Andrew.
01:12:02.000We're going to go to Rumble Premium, but here's a trailer for that.
01:12:05.000If you want to be, I mean, airtight, locked down, capable of arguing or convincing people on these topics, namely feminism, watch this and then we'll continue spilling the tea.
01:12:20.000You don't have to be the next Julius Caesar in order to change the world.
01:12:24.000I would say that my approach is probably more suitable if you find yourself at a dinner table because that's not always in Andrew's wheelhouse.
01:12:32.000I've heard the horror stories of how feminism has ruined the lives of men, women, and children right in my backyard.
01:12:38.000Most of what the public believes about the history of women's rights is historically inaccurate at best and blatant lies and propaganda at worst.
01:12:45.000Most people have no idea how to defend what it is that they believe.