Louder with Crowder - March 03, 2015


How to Be a Man With Art of Manliness || Louder With Crowder


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The Art of Manliness is a website dedicated to helping men become better men. In this episode, we talk to the founder of the site, Stephen Kacz, about what it means to be a man in modern society.

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00:00:02.000 You run this website.
00:00:03.000 It's one of the largest.
00:00:05.000 Now, what's the claim?
00:00:06.000 It's the largest men's interest magazine, independent?
00:00:09.000 We say independent.
00:00:10.000 We're not owned by a corporation, so it's just me and my wife who run the show.
00:00:16.000 So yeah, largest independent men's website.
00:00:18.000 Because, you know, those corporations.
00:00:20.000 We've got to keep them in shape.
00:00:21.000 Those corporations.
00:00:21.000 You've got to watch out.
00:00:22.000 Corporations.
00:00:23.000 And, by the way, just to make sure, this is not at all an endorsement of any of my views or political standings that Brett is on.
00:00:31.000 He just happens to be a nice gentleman.
00:00:32.000 But then again, we've also had actual terrorists on the show, Brett.
00:00:35.000 So, it doesn't mean we endorse actual terrorism.
00:00:37.000 Now...
00:00:38.000 Art of Manliness, what's funny about it is that it seems to be an actual site where men actually want to hang out there and read it.
00:00:46.000 I'm sure you know about the big scam with a lot of the men's interest magazines where they just buy up subscriptions and not many people actually read it, but you guys actually have a significant readership and return readership.
00:00:56.000 Yeah, we've developed a really passionate following because our goal from the get-go has just been to help men become better men in all aspects of their life.
00:01:06.000 And as a result of that, a lot of our content is just problem-driven.
00:01:11.000 Think about the problems that guys have and try to write content that will help them.
00:01:16.000 And it's amazing, Stephen, the letters that I've gotten over the years.
00:01:19.000 I get actual handwritten letters in the mailbox.
00:01:23.000 That's something we advocate on the site, bringing back the art of the handwritten letter.
00:01:29.000 People telling us how the site has changed their life, it's helped their marriage.
00:01:33.000 I've had one guy tell us the story about how the art of manliness led to him finding his wife.
00:01:41.000 It's a really cool story.
00:01:43.000 He basically read a post and And there's this girl that he was very, you know, he was interested in and ended up marrying her, and that's, yeah, The Art of Manliness brought them together.
00:01:54.000 That takes me to an important question I have for you.
00:01:56.000 Sure.
00:01:57.000 And it's kind of a social question, so it could be a long answer, but I definitely do...
00:02:02.000 In speaking with a lot of young men out there, there is more confusion and a lot of young men feel more conflicted about what it is to be a man in today's society than ever.
00:02:15.000 And you get some pushback obviously from feminism and from just the way society is sort of, you know, now the big message is your male privilege is showing.
00:02:22.000 So sometimes men feel inherently guilty.
00:02:24.000 Have you noticed when you get these handwritten letters back that some men just feel a little conflicted about who they should really be in modern America?
00:02:31.000 Well, the thing we get is that the site has helped them feel good about being a man.
00:02:36.000 And the truth is, yeah, there is a lot of confusion about what it means to be a man in today's society.
00:02:42.000 And that's a complex reason why that is.
00:02:45.000 A lot of people want to find simple answers that, oh, it's feminism or it's this. 1.00
00:02:49.000 But this is something that we've been dealing with.
00:02:52.000 In America, since its founding, masculinity has always been debated what it means to be a man.
00:02:59.000 And, you know, in recent years, there's been an uptick in this sort of like what this, you know, this conversation, right, with all the big media outlets about...
00:03:08.000 What does it mean to be a man today?
00:03:10.000 And what's interesting, because of the site, I've had the opportunity to do a lot of research about the history of masculinity in America.
00:03:17.000 This conversation that we're having is pretty much similar to a conversation that happened in America at the turn of the 20th century.
00:03:26.000 Because right now the conversation is, well, masculinity is obsolete because, hey, nice mug.
00:03:32.000 It is a nice mug.
00:03:33.000 For those listening to us, really, it's the Art of Manliness mug.
00:03:35.000 The Art of Manliness mug.
00:03:36.000 No, yeah, so the conversation now is that masculinity is obsolete because we're moving into an information economy, so we don't need men to be big and strong, and we don't need a manual blue-collar workforce.
00:03:50.000 They need to be more soft and sensitive, etc.
00:03:54.000 There's some truth to that.
00:03:56.000 That's where the economy's going.
00:03:58.000 But what's interesting is that At the turn of the 20th century, like late 19th century, there was a similar conversation, except that instead of moving to an information economy, the argument was that men are becoming obsolete because we are an industrialized nation, and machines are replacing men.
00:04:18.000 And a lot of our American folktales that we have, like Paul Bunyan, John Henry, if you think about it, it's about man versus machine.
00:04:27.000 I was going to say it's about cool hats and gear.
00:04:31.000 But I don't know if you know this.
00:04:32.000 It's also funny that you talk about this.
00:04:34.000 We've had a guest on before, Bill Whittle, who talks about how actually the economic conversation mirrors that.
00:04:39.000 Because as we transition from agricultural to industrial, right?
00:04:43.000 Now all of a sudden you have everyone who had their own plot of land in an agricultural society.
00:04:49.000 Agrarian, I believe the term is.
00:04:51.000 Agrarian, there you go.
00:04:53.000 And then all of a sudden you've moved to – there are a few wealthy people, the people who own these industries and factories and you create a working class.
00:05:00.000 Whereas now with the internet, economically we're returning to that same conversation where people can have their own plot of digital land and wealth effectively can be more distributed.
00:05:09.000 The kind of theory is you're going to have fewer billionaires but far more people making good six-figure incomes online independently.
00:05:17.000 So it's maybe kind of the same thing except where we're talking about man parts.
00:05:20.000 Yeah.
00:05:20.000 We're going back to that.
00:05:21.000 Yeah.
00:05:22.000 And what's interesting too is that in recent years there's been sort of like this menescence, I guess you'd call it, where the whole, you know, men, guys are growing beards again, they're wearing flannel, they're going camping, and there's all these lifestyle sites dedicated to men, right?
00:05:38.000 So being a man is awesome, right?
00:05:40.000 There are all these businesses that have popped up around that time.
00:05:42.000 What's funny is that around the late 19th century, when they were having this sort of conversation about what it means to be a man, there really was like this, I don't know, renaissance in masculinity at the time too.
00:05:54.000 You know, a lot of the ideas and, I guess, archetypes of masculinity we have in America today began in the 19th century.
00:06:01.000 Boxing became huge in America at this time.
00:06:03.000 And John L. Sullivan, the guy who's sort of the boxer guy that's on the top of the art of manliness, handlebar mustache, like he was just a star.
00:06:11.000 Like everyone just obsessed about him.
00:06:13.000 Baseball became huge.
00:06:14.000 Football became huge because these were seen as outlets where men could show off their strength, their physical strength in a world that no longer really needed men because of machines.
00:06:26.000 So it was an opportunity for men to display that.
00:06:28.000 So, yeah, I mean, it's really interesting that we're the same sort of thing.
00:06:32.000 You're seeing the same sort of thing happen today as well.
00:06:34.000 MMA is becoming really popular amongst, you know, entrepreneurs and Silicon Valley types.
00:06:40.000 CrossFit is huge.
00:06:43.000 Yeah.
00:06:43.000 We're the same sort of thing.
00:06:51.000 you know, We're good to go.
00:07:17.000 Sort of to tap into that primal masculinity that we have.
00:07:20.000 The strenuous life.
00:07:21.000 The strenuous, yeah.
00:07:22.000 Well, there's another example, yeah, of 19th century, Teddy Roosevelt and his strenuous life.
00:07:26.000 You know, you have to be the doer of deeds.
00:07:29.000 Well, that's a great example if you read a story, too.
00:07:32.000 A lot of people, they don't know enough about the man.
00:07:35.000 You know, he was sickly.
00:07:36.000 He was this kid who really wasn't, you know, the star athlete.
00:07:39.000 Probably would have been picked last for gym class.
00:07:41.000 But it's that principle.
00:07:42.000 What's so funny, too, you bring me to this point I was talking about with my wife.
00:07:46.000 Nowadays, we create sort of these false male archetypes, right? 1.00
00:07:49.000 Like, well, you're the dumb jock. 0.99
00:07:50.000 You're the sensitive one. 0.98
00:07:51.000 But the fact is, if you look at great leaders who are great intellectuals, right, they were fantastic thinkers or spiritualists, all of them believed that there was a physical manifestation of that discipline.
00:08:05.000 They believed in the strenuous life.
00:08:07.000 Hey, go out and do something hard physically every day because mentally that disciplines you.
00:08:11.000 It wasn't one or the other, if you read Roosevelt.
00:08:14.000 It was a very creative thinker. 0.98
00:08:15.000 He'd be the little goth kid today writing poems everyone would make fun of, and then he'd kick the crap out of you. 0.98
00:08:22.000 They combined brains and bronze. 0.96
00:08:24.000 That's something we talk about a lot on the site.
00:08:28.000 Lots of great thinkers, like you go back to the ancient Greeks, they thought the same way.
00:08:32.000 What it meant to be a man was combining the physical attributes also with these sort of contemplative thinking.
00:08:37.000 And they believed, like you said, that doing hard things physically, working hard physically, Showing physical courage transferred itself over to the political or moral or spiritual life.
00:08:50.000 They also did some pretty weird stuff, the Greeks. 1.00
00:08:52.000 They did some weird stuff.
00:08:53.000 They did some weird stuff.
00:08:55.000 But they'd probably say the same thing about us.
00:08:58.000 You know what, though?
00:08:59.000 YouTube cats and some of that Japanese stuff.
00:09:02.000 I don't know.
00:09:02.000 They would say, hey, that cat playing the piano is weird.
00:09:05.000 I'd be like...
00:09:05.000 That's weird.
00:09:06.000 Having an 11-year-old boy on the side is kind of weird.
00:09:08.000 So, no, you're right, and it's funny.
00:09:10.000 So now there's sort of this, I guess...
00:09:14.000 I'm trying to think of a polite way to put it because I don't want to bring feminism into the picture. 1.00
00:09:18.000 Sort of a neo-androgynous view.
00:09:20.000 Let's put it that way.
00:09:21.000 Where there's this idea that, well, you know, this false sense of machismo is what men are.
00:09:26.000 And so a lot of people have condemned men for something that's a pretty recent...
00:09:30.000 Sort of a picture of a man.
00:09:32.000 That wasn't it for a long time.
00:09:34.000 Like you're talking about, the Greeks, the Romans, our founding fathers, creative thinkers, intellectuals, who also, you know, were wielding axes and stomping heads.
00:09:43.000 Yeah, they were the warrior philosophers.
00:09:45.000 Yeah, you're right.
00:09:46.000 A lot of the arguments against masculinity, they often use sort of a straw man.
00:09:51.000 And yeah, they create like they go for the most extreme version of masculinity or what some people would call hyper masculinity.
00:09:59.000 Right.
00:10:00.000 And to their point, like, yeah, that's that type of masculinity is not that great.
00:10:04.000 It's not conducive to good society.
00:10:07.000 It doesn't help us become a better people.
00:10:10.000 But I think for the most part, most men, I think, inherently get what it means to be a good man because they they they have men in their lives that they can look to, whether it be their father or a grandfather or even mentors they had in high school.
00:10:25.000 So yeah, I mean, I don't...
00:10:26.000 I mean, that's a funny thing.
00:10:27.000 Even though we're called the art of manliness, we don't get into a lot of debates.
00:10:31.000 People don't want to go there.
00:10:32.000 It is an incredibly positive atmosphere.
00:10:34.000 I will say that because anywhere else on the internet, we've talked about this with guest after guest.
00:10:39.000 You have about the first five posts, the grace posts, and then it just devolves into the worst that humanity has to offer.
00:10:46.000 It could be like the Olive Garden.
00:10:47.000 I love Olive Garden salad and breadsticks.
00:10:50.000 They are good.
00:10:50.000 And then some guy is talking about how he's going to have a gang knock off your mother because you wouldn't know a good breadstick if it bit you in the posterior.
00:10:58.000 And I'm just like, it happens so quickly.
00:11:00.000 Your site is one of the few exceptions, almost to the point that it's like Pleasantville, where people are too nice.
00:11:06.000 Where I'm like, someone just, you know, yell something anti-Semitic or something that's going to hurt somebody's feelings.
00:11:12.000 This isn't the internet anymore.
00:11:14.000 No, I mean, we've worked really hard to develop that culture, I guess, on the site through our content.
00:11:20.000 And we moderate the comments because, you know, the site is my home.
00:11:26.000 I treat it like that.
00:11:27.000 And I wouldn't let some yahoo come into my house and just say, do whatever they want to. 1.00
00:11:31.000 I'd kick them out or even do worse things.
00:11:33.000 So I treat my website the same way.
00:11:36.000 So yeah, you're invited to come in, but here are the rules.
00:11:39.000 And if you don't play by the rules, well...
00:11:41.000 There's other places you can hang out on the internet.
00:11:44.000 But yeah, we try to keep it positive.
00:11:46.000 What's funny, you know your audience with that, I think.
00:11:49.000 And I think that, like we've talked about, in the same sort of sense, there are these sort of false male archetypes that were pushed onto people.
00:11:56.000 There's this false idea of men's interests.
00:12:00.000 You know, my friend Greg Gutfeld, who actually hosts there on Fox News, he was the editor at Men's Health and FHM. He was fired, actually, from Men's Health because he wrote an article on the positive attributes of tobacco.
00:12:11.000 And now we know it to be true that it can fight Alzheimer's.
00:12:14.000 Now, he wasn't saying go light up, but this was just very controversial, right?
00:12:17.000 You can never write that in a Men's Health magazine.
00:12:18.000 Yeah, nicotine does that.
00:12:19.000 Yeah.
00:12:20.000 I've seen those studies.
00:12:21.000 Yeah.
00:12:21.000 I don't advise that anyone smokes, by the way.
00:12:24.000 No.
00:12:25.000 He let us in on the secret, you know, and he's talked about this openly.
00:12:28.000 He says a lot of people don't really read these magazines.
00:12:30.000 They buy up subscriptions so they can sell ad space.
00:12:33.000 And he worked there.
00:12:33.000 He said the readership is incredibly low.
00:12:35.000 And I thought, you know what?
00:12:36.000 That's funny.
00:12:37.000 That's probably pretty true because you're talking about a magazine.
00:12:40.000 If you open it up, let's say you just open up one of the top male magazines right now, right?
00:12:43.000 It'll be one page, yachting attire, what to wear to your yacht party.
00:12:48.000 Then next page, Evil, rich people.
00:12:51.000 But you were just appealing to yachting attire, and the next page is basically something that would make penthouse letters from the 70s blush, just incredibly graphic.
00:13:00.000 I'm going, a lot of people wouldn't want to read this mix of material.
00:13:04.000 It turns out they don't, and I get the sense that from your sight, a lot of men are filling this void of, oh, it's a place I can go where there are pragmatic pieces that help me become a better man.
00:13:16.000 Yeah, it's funny you mention the men's magazines and the men's health.
00:13:20.000 I mean, that's actually what inspired the art of manliness.
00:13:23.000 Here's the story of the genesis of the art of manliness.
00:13:25.000 I was in a bookstore one night during law school, killing time, went to the men's interest section, the magazine section, and I was looking at the headlines, something I do all the time, and I remember just sitting there looking at the headlines on these magazines and just realizing that My gosh, every month it's the same thing.
00:13:41.000 It's like how to get six-pack abs.
00:13:45.000 Cosmo-esque sex tips.
00:13:47.000 Positions you need to try.
00:13:48.000 The $10,000 suit you need to wear.
00:13:52.000 And you need a six-pack abs to try those sex positions.
00:13:55.000 I think one time I saw eight-pack abs and I was like, Wow.
00:13:59.000 There's eight-pack abs?
00:14:00.000 Okay.
00:14:00.000 Yeah, it's called the famine victim look.
00:14:02.000 The famine victim look.
00:14:04.000 And I just realized, you know what?
00:14:05.000 This stuff doesn't resonate with me.
00:14:09.000 To me, this doesn't say masculinity.
00:14:14.000 It doesn't say manhood.
00:14:15.000 No.
00:14:15.000 It says D-back.
00:14:18.000 Yeah.
00:14:19.000 It is a really tough time.
00:14:21.000 I know people say, you have no idea what it is.
00:14:23.000 You're a man.
00:14:24.000 Women's rights get mad at you and say men's rights aren't a thing. 1.00
00:14:26.000 I'm not talking about men's rights, but I am talking about young men.
00:14:29.000 I have a pretty young demo for a more sort of right-leaning political website.
00:14:33.000 We don't do quite as well as you, but we do well.
00:14:35.000 And I get a lot of emails. 0.93
00:14:37.000 We just had Gary Wilson, for example, on where we talked about, you know, your brain on porn.
00:14:40.000 And actually, I think I'd come across him on your site, or Rob Wolf was a friend of mine who covered his stuff too.
00:14:45.000 And we just get emails from young men saying, I just fell into this.
00:14:50.000 No one told me about these pitfalls.
00:14:53.000 I mean, I'm so conflicted now.
00:14:55.000 I don't know who to talk to about this.
00:14:57.000 And that's just a microcosm pornography. 0.94
00:14:59.000 But I can imagine now, when you have people telling men, I mean, this is what they're being taught on campus, that you are guilty by birth.
00:15:08.000 And a lot of these men are feminists, or a lot of these men certainly wouldn't want to have privilege thrust upon them. 1.00
00:15:14.000 It creates a sense of needless guilt because they haven't done anything wrong.
00:15:20.000 And that's got to be tough to deal with today as a young teenager.
00:15:23.000 Yeah, I can imagine.
00:15:25.000 And you're right.
00:15:26.000 We don't really do a good job in our country or our culture of helping young men feel good about themselves.
00:15:33.000 And the result is, you can look at the statistics on how young men are doing.
00:15:39.000 Suicide is high amongst young men.
00:15:41.000 Unemployment high.
00:15:42.000 College attendance is lower.
00:15:45.000 The pornography thing is part of it.
00:15:47.000 I mean, it's really dismal.
00:15:50.000 And It's funny.
00:15:51.000 I was actually talking to a gal yesterday on my podcast.
00:15:55.000 She's a PhD in psychology.
00:15:57.000 She's a self-described feminist, but she even said, we make young men feel horrible about themselves.
00:16:05.000 We're bearing the fruits of that now.
00:16:08.000 And there was a time in our country where there was a little bit more mentoring than what took place in a young man's life.
00:16:17.000 Either through their father or their uncle was there, their grandfather.
00:16:20.000 They were there to teach them how to be a man.
00:16:23.000 And you have a lot of young men today who are growing up either in single mother homes.
00:16:29.000 There's not a father in the picture.
00:16:31.000 Or even if dad is around, he might be really busy with work.
00:16:36.000 Sure.
00:16:39.000 Sure.
00:16:39.000 order to provide the lifestyle that he wants to give to his family.
00:16:45.000 And so he never has the time to teach his kid how to shave.
00:16:47.000 And people think, oh, how to shave, teaching your kid, what's that going to do to help your son?
00:16:51.000 Yeah, they're going to learn how to shave, but there's more that goes on in that process.
00:16:56.000 Because it shows the kid knows my dad cares about me, and he wants the best for me.
00:17:04.000 And then just spending time with your kids, conversations come up spontaneously where you can talk to your son or talk to your grandson or talk to a nephew about what it means to be a good man.
00:17:15.000 And that's not happening for a while.
00:17:17.000 And that's why you have all this confusion where you have guys who are going to the internet To find out answers.
00:17:23.000 Oh, good Lord.
00:17:23.000 You just said something that was like a trigger word for me, trigger phrase.
00:17:26.000 Trigger warning.
00:17:27.000 Yeah.
00:17:27.000 I know.
00:17:28.000 They just said, you said young men are trying to go to the internet to learn.
00:17:31.000 Yeah, well, yeah.
00:17:32.000 You have young men who don't have a father, don't have a grant, don't have a male mentor.
00:17:37.000 Right.
00:17:38.000 On showing them how, I mean, what it means to be a man, what you need to do to be a good man.
00:17:41.000 So they go to the internet.
00:17:43.000 And, you know, there's not, I mean, you're basically, you know, who knows what they're learning there.
00:17:49.000 And so they, you know, they might pick up by this sort of like a lot of really popular things like the pickup artist community is really popular online.
00:17:56.000 And it's just all about, you know, To be a man, you've got to get all these notches on your belt.
00:18:02.000 And that's how they define masculinity. 0.99
00:18:04.000 And so you get these guys in this trap where they fork over a lot of money to learn how to pick up women, and then they're not successful, and then they just feel like crap because, man, being a man means you have to have sex with as many women as possible. 1.00
00:18:18.000 I'm a failure as a man, so I suck as a man. 0.99
00:18:21.000 So you get these very one-dimensional ideas of masculinity. 0.99
00:18:24.000 And it's unfortunate.
00:18:25.000 And that's a minority, though.
00:18:28.000 It's important for people to note because you'll have people, let's say, you know, feminists right now will hear art of manliness, right? 1.00
00:18:33.000 A neo-feminist, let's say, like Lear Keith, who we had on. 1.00
00:18:36.000 Right away will be upset because they'll attribute that minority male culture, that minority, sorry, of male culture.
00:18:42.000 I'm not saying male minorities.
00:18:43.000 Let me clarify that.
00:18:44.000 A small contingency of male culture who are just saying what it means to be a man is not just on my belt.
00:18:48.000 And what you offer young men is antithetical to that.
00:18:52.000 but it gets lumped into the same category as the essence of man.
00:18:56.000 Sure.
00:18:57.000 And that's a terrible mischaracterization to make.
00:18:59.000 Well, I understand.
00:19:00.000 I mean, it's just, it's easy thinking, right.
00:19:02.000 To make generalizations like that.
00:19:03.000 So I understand why it, why it happens.
00:19:05.000 But yeah, I mean, our, our goal is to help become, help men become a better man in all aspects of their life because that carries over to other areas of the life.
00:19:14.000 You know, if you're, if you, you know, for example, if your goal in life is to find a girlfriend, for example, right.
00:19:21.000 If that's what you want to do, well, you shouldn't really make your focus in life just like going to bars and like trying these lines and like doing these little techniques.
00:19:29.000 What you should be doing is just developing yourself as a man physically, you know, working on your social skills in general that are applicable not just to women but also to men.
00:19:38.000 And that women will find you attractive once you kind of develop the whole man.
00:19:43.000 And so, yeah, that's sort of our philosophy is just develop the whole man and good things will happen as a consequence of that.
00:19:50.000 In a nutshell, if you have to leave people right with this, the Brett McKay, the soundbite that Oprah would love.
00:19:56.000 I love that with Oprah.
00:19:57.000 It doesn't matter what you say.
00:19:58.000 We've just done a 40-minute interview.
00:19:59.000 Can I have a soundbite?
00:20:01.000 That's going to work good for the break.
00:20:03.000 What is it?
00:20:04.000 What would you say it is to be a man?
00:20:06.000 And how does art of manliness help with that?
00:20:09.000 To be a man means being virtuous, and by that I mean the Roman-Greek ideal of being excellent in all aspects of your life.
00:20:19.000 And the art of manliness, all our content is geared towards that, and helping men strive for excellence in their life in all aspects.
00:20:26.000 So there's your soundbite.
00:20:28.000 There you have it.
00:20:30.000 Brett McKay's Excellent Adventure, Art of Manliness.
00:20:34.000 Hey, Brett, we appreciate you, brother.
00:20:35.000 And hopefully you come back on and you can educate.
00:20:38.000 Hopefully we have Fun Dip on next time.
00:20:40.000 He's not on right now.
00:20:42.000 Fun Dip.
00:20:42.000 Fun Dip is a producer.
00:20:44.000 Okay.
00:20:45.000 You'll see him if you peruse the channel.
00:20:47.000 He's a character and he needs a good kick in the pants to become a better man sometimes.
00:20:52.000 He'll just complain about it.
00:20:54.000 Ah!
00:20:54.000 I don't have time for this.
00:20:55.000 I've got to eat my Hebrew national hot dog breakfast.
00:20:59.000 He's a character.
00:21:00.000 That sounds good.
00:21:01.000 It is delicious, actually.
00:21:03.000 If you think about it, he justifies it superbly.
00:21:06.000 If you're eating bacon, you're basically eating processed meat.
00:21:09.000 He's just replacing it for a different form with a Hebrew national hot dog.
00:21:13.000 I like his style.
00:21:14.000 I think I like this guy.
00:21:16.000 Well, we'll hook you in fun dip up.
00:21:17.000 Thank you so much, Brett, for coming on, brother.
00:21:19.000 Thanks, Dean.
00:21:20.000 It's been a pleasure.
00:21:21.000 If you like this video, be sure to subscribe or see my latest videos.
00:21:24.000 And if you don't, I'll be upset.