Alex Jones joins Jemele to talk about conspiracy theories and why conspiracy theories are really just truth. Plus, a new mug and much, much more. Guests: Comedian Josh Feierstein ( ) and radio host Alex Jones ( ), co-hosted by Jemele and Alex respectively. Thanks to caller Tim.
00:00:48.000You see, his parents suffered from crippling debt and skyrocketing inflation, and they were never able to buy that nice new house on the east side.
00:00:55.000Their debt led to marital stress culminating in a messy divorce, leaving Timmy to raise himself while mom was working three jobs.
00:01:02.000Let's see how the reunion actually went down.
00:01:09.000Give me your phone and your wallet, old man.
00:02:58.000So top five, in my opinion, and I would love for you to comment below, which conspiracy theory turned out to be true that had the biggest impact on you.
00:03:07.000And by that I mean, did you start being more mistrustful of government?
00:03:11.000Did you start giving more credence to quote unquote conspiracy theories?
00:03:15.000And believe me, I'm not saying that because some conspiracies have proven to be true, that it means the earth is flat, we didn't land on the moon.
00:07:53.000They may regroup, but I don't know if they recover from this, and I also don't know what CNN expects when they're creating content like this.
00:08:01.000I might be deported because I'm a naturalized citizen.
00:08:04.000And Stephen Miller, who is Donald Trump's deputy chief of staff, has said that they're going to embark on a denaturalization program.
00:08:11.000So I could be deported, my citizenship could be taken away, and my children could be deported.
00:08:17.000Because they have birthright citizenship.
00:08:19.000So this is not what the country voted for.
00:08:30.000What this country did not vote for is to deport the 11 million undocumented immigrants who do critical work for our economy, who have injected $7 trillion into our economy.
00:08:42.000And what Americans want is a solution to immigration.
00:08:46.000I'm sorry, did that walking pair of MC Hammer pants just say that Donald Trump never talked about immigration and deporting people?
00:08:57.000I'm pretty sure that was a main tenant.
00:08:59.000It was almost like it was an issue that he's been talking about since before he ran in 2016 and you called him racist and now he has overwhelming public support, including from Hispanic Americans to deport people.
00:09:11.000And by the way, there's a huge difference between birthright citizenship where people go, oh, touchdown, baby.
00:09:17.000And going through the naturalization process where many of those people know more about the United States than people born here in this country.
00:09:24.000I know quite a few Cuban Americans who came in, they are more proud to be American and they know more about civics than people here in this country.
00:09:31.000So they try and expand this threat to something that's not real.
00:09:35.000I don't think anyone's buying what they're selling.
00:09:36.000It's not just that they're liberal, it's that they're dishonest.
00:09:39.000What do you think even a liberal tunes in and thinks?
00:09:42.000They go, okay, well, I agree with you, but wait, you just said Donald Trump didn't talk about deporting people.
00:09:56.000The Daily Wire, actually, maybe up for sale, maybe not, was reported that Fox Corp was looking at acquiring some conservative or right-leaning podcasts like All In, Megyn Kelly, The Daily Wire.
00:10:13.000A statement that said, you know, Daily Wire is probably not up for sale, but it would be a billion to buy it.
00:10:18.000So it said we're not closed off to an offer.
00:10:20.000Jeremy Boring there, CEO, said it's easy to imagine a strategic partnership with Fox or someone like Fox that could be mutually beneficial.
00:10:28.000I think that we complement Fox and don't compete with Fox.
00:11:10.000So there was a judge who blocked The Onion, right?
00:11:13.000The Onion wanted a purchase who has become increasingly left, The Onion.
00:11:16.000As they have been split and sold and purchased, they went from a satire news site to becoming a parody of themselves, which allowed the Babylon Bee, the more reasonable version, to emerge.
00:11:28.000That's how irrelevant The Onion has become.
00:11:29.000Once upon a time, they were very funny.
00:11:30.000They wanted to buy Alex Jones' Infowars.
00:11:34.000Really, just as kind of a troll job, and a judge blocked it, which I believe we have a clip of Alex Jones.
00:11:41.000Rolls out the same barrel his father used.
00:11:45.000Sorry, it's easy to make that mistake.
00:11:49.000A U.S. judge on Tuesday stopped the paradigm to cite The Onion from buying conspiracy theorist Alex Jones' Infowars website...
00:11:57.000At the end of a two-day hearing in Houston, bankruptcy judge Christopher Lopez rejected Jones' claim that the auction was plagued by collusion.
00:12:04.000However, he ruled that a November bankruptcy auction did not result in the best possible bids because the trustee running the auction failed to encourage back-and-forth bidding between The Onion and a Jones-affiliated company, which was the runner-up.
00:12:18.000So Alex actually addressed this on X this morning.
00:12:36.000I want to thank everyone who has stood with myself and the InfoWars crew as we weathered the total deep state assault in the last nine years.
00:12:42.000I could not have done it without any of you.
00:14:02.000So, look, and I want to be clear about this here.
00:14:06.000We talked about this last week, and many of you tuned in and many of you sounded off.
00:14:09.000Lily Phillips, right, she's the woman who is planning to sleep with a thousand guys in 24 hours.
00:14:15.000Now, I know that it may seem like I was harsh on her, and I think it's deserved.
00:14:20.000Because I think a lot of damage is done with this, certainly to young women.
00:14:24.000I think the porn culture is damaging to young men, too, and we'll get to that.
00:14:30.000If you look at a lot of the comments here, there was a recent documentary released when she, previously, she slept with 100 guys in 24 hours.
00:14:38.000I think it's important as Christians for us to remember that, look, if we don't believe that people can be redeemed, and that doesn't mean that your past is erased, doesn't mean that it's not an indicator of future behavior, but if we don't believe that people can be redeemed, then we serve a useless God, right?
00:14:58.000Is confession, is redemption, and, you know, the fruits of the tree.
00:15:04.000So, it does rub me, I would say, all of us here are the wrong women.
00:15:08.000People, I get, you want to dunk on someone.
00:15:09.000And yes, you need to showcase evil for what it is.
00:15:12.000Especially when someone is promoting it to other people.
00:15:15.000But to act as though this person cannot make better decisions moving forward, I don't necessarily think is helpful because then you close the door to what it is that hopefully we're all fighting for and striving toward in the first place.
00:15:26.000So this week there was this documentary.
00:15:49.000And in the media, we give the attention, or I should say the media does tend to give the attention to people in the middle of their biggest mistakes, because that gets the clicks.
00:16:00.000And you don't tend to hear about either the redemption or the fallout.
00:16:06.000The fractures that have taken place after through choosing that kind of a life.
00:16:10.000So this is a portion of this documentary where Lily Phillips is talking about the first time she slept with 100 guys in 24 hours.
00:16:20.000And my heart breaks for anyone who would follow her lead.
00:16:26.000I think somehow I was like feeling so like robotic like by the I think like the 30th you know like when we're getting on a bit I've got like a routine of like how we're gonna do this and like it just sometimes you'd like disassociate and be like you know like it's not like normal like when they'd kind of be like oh like we've only had two minutes or three minutes and you said five on the message.
00:17:15.000I don't think she's being disingenuous there.
00:17:17.000There is a pathology for some people who have to actually be pleasers and really just crave acceptance often because they weren't given the kind of attention or usually healthy masculine love growing up where she feels bad for not allowing men who will never see her again or care about her.
00:17:38.000They're mad because they don't get to penetrate her for all of five minutes.
00:17:42.000Because she has to move on to the next man-whore.
00:17:46.000So I want to be really clear here, too.
00:17:48.000These men who take part are awful as well.
00:19:12.000This shows how sick, and I agree, this shows how sick our society has become, but someone posting Lily Phillips will probably end up killing herself, if we're being honest.
00:19:20.000Look, and I'm not one to ever, I'm not outraged, I'm not offended.
00:19:26.000You do see some of these people now who don't include the pursuit of spreading the good news, the pursuit of people being redeemed and just want to dunk.
00:19:41.000Because sometimes it's not about the person you're dealing with, it's about the people watching.
00:19:44.000And if she's going out and she's saying this is my choice and it's a valid choice for everyone out there, yeah, yeah, that needs to be shut down.
00:19:51.000But it also needs to be met with an alternative.
00:19:54.000Yep, the first thing Jesus did was point out people's sin, and it was go and sin no more.
00:19:59.000He didn't just hang out with sinners his whole life.
00:20:01.000He said, you think if they were still prostitutes, if they were still tax collectors, and I love that tax collectors were put in the same class as prostitutes in the Bible, you think you would have been hanging out with them?
00:22:46.000Then there's a scene where he's opening the Red Ryder BB gun and Darren, I think Darren McGavin was the name of the actor, is watching his son and he has this joy because he wants to make his son happy, that moment of happiness, but he also washes his mouth out with soap when he swears.
00:23:46.000You have people who no longer are able to find sexual satisfaction in real relationships.
00:23:50.000I'm not saying that thinking naked people Our beautiful is the same.
00:23:55.000I'm talking about tab in a tab in a tab in a tab of a hardcore pornography.
00:23:58.000And the people who advocate for pornography, they talk about this commercialized capitalist society and Instagram and the shortening attention span and how damaging it is.
00:24:06.000For some reason, that all disappears when it comes to the world's greatest natural dopamine hit that we know of, which is sexual arousal.
00:24:50.000And I don't mean necessarily just physically, though that could be a possibility because of depression and all kinds of things that can come from this, regret, inability to find happiness in the future.
00:25:02.000But what I want to encourage people to do is, and we do this the wrong way most of the time, and I don't mean we just like us on this show, I mean just in general.
00:26:53.000It is relevant to her future relationships.
00:26:55.000And this man, and yep, then you run into feminism, where this woman, who clearly didn't have a father, is going to need to, I'm going to get people mad at this, is going to need a man to train her.
00:27:05.000And by that, meaning a man, if there is a man out there, it's unlikely, who actually loves her and is willing to do the work, she's going to have to trust him and follow him and submit to him because she doesn't know what she is doing.
00:27:16.000But we can't do that anymore either because that's sexist.
00:30:42.000Look, this is an athlete, like if you're looking at it within her sport, having an impact on it, being kind of a cultural phenomenon, like there's all kinds of reason for that.
00:30:50.000But look, instead of just kind of like taking this moment and enjoying this moment, Caitlin Clark did something that we tell people never to do.
00:30:57.000Never try to appease the woke mob because they I came after her very hard.
00:31:00.000And we've got a quote from what she said.
00:31:02.000They were coming after her because she was a white woman.
00:35:55.000So you're saying in 2024 you signed the largest baseball contract in history and then bridged Japanese and American cultures by creating the most popular World Series broadcast, most watched of all time, and you hit 50 home runs, stole 50 bases, and won a World Series?
00:38:23.000Let's go to this, because this is something that is big in our culture at large right now.
00:38:26.000A lot of people feel as though, hold on a second, what else is not true?
00:38:32.000Because what is yesterday's conspiracy theory is today's accepted historical fact, and we're going to have Alex Jones on in just a little bit.
00:40:01.000Look, I've told you guys that I used to be more of a libertarian, and I certainly thought, ah, that sounds a little bit outlandish.
00:40:06.000I tried to approach everything as skeptically as possible, and as logically as possible, and sometimes you kind of trap yourself with that, where you sort of look at the odds, and you go, that just seems like there's no way it could be true, So, let's go through this, actually.
00:40:24.000Top five conspiracy theories, in my opinion, that turned out to be real in curious coincidences.
00:41:24.000Well, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, right?
00:41:26.000The claim was that August 4th, 1964, that the Vietnamese attacked a U.S. naval destroyer, right, the USS Maddox, in international waters, and that led to the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which involved the United States getting heavily involved in Vietnam, escalation, right?
00:41:55.000So the conspiracy was, that was effectively a false flag, and now the left tries to gaslight you and say, oh, the term false flag, or you're using that, you don't believe that shootings happen?
00:42:04.000This was a false flag in that it was orchestrated, or the claim, by the United States government.
00:42:09.000There was collusion, and there was skepticism right away from naval officers, even President Johnson, who stated, hell, those damn stupid sailors were just shooting at flying fish.
00:43:18.000It was small, and it may not have been where they said it was, maybe not in international waters, which makes a difference, I guess, to some degree.
00:43:23.000But I had no idea the second one was just like basically, it almost seems like, hey, deep state, let's go to war.
00:45:15.000Wouldn't you agree we need some more adults?
00:45:18.000So WikiLeaks, Alex Jones, and the subreddit subgeniuses, and I mean this in the nicest way possible, grow the f*** up.
00:45:35.000You know who needed some adults would probably be those underage sex slaves at Epstein Island.
00:45:40.000And not only was no one reporting on it, but it was actually being buried when reporters tried to shine a light on it.
00:45:46.000I bet you they really would have liked some adults, Mr. White Knight.
00:45:49.000Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
00:45:50.000You don't like the fact that people on subreddits may have some theories that are incorrect.
00:45:55.000But to simply dismiss all of it while people are being sex trafficked, I don't know if you get to shout from your ivory tower, get up on your high horse.
00:46:37.000So for guys that you can see, I have here, I don't really have prompter, I just have an iPad with notes when I read these quotes, and when we just mentioned Epstein, I'm not joking.
00:48:55.000And by the way, this is the same media who buried the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal.
00:48:59.000Remember, that's how Drudge came to be, because every single major media outlet passed on it, because they were doing the bidding of Bill Clinton.
00:50:07.000We were removed from social media platforms because we stated it.
00:50:11.000If you were an expert, even more of these to say, well, are you an epidemiologist?
00:50:16.000Well, no, I'm not, but there are plenty of epidemiologists who actually say there's no way that this virus occurs in nature, but they were removed.
00:50:22.000Because your government's looking out for you.
00:50:37.000Does that change how we handle COVID if we know that it could have been bioengineered?
00:50:39.000Does it change the fact that the media said Donald Trump was a racist when he called it the China virus?
00:50:46.000In other words, at that point in time, would you be less concerned with him pointing the finger at China, which I don't even know how that's racist, and more concerned with the nation, an adversarial nation, who potentially engineered it and released it?
00:50:59.000Do you think it changes not only perception, but the next step we take moving forward?
00:51:05.000That's why the press, when they do the bidding of the government, is the enemy of a free and informed people.
00:51:12.000Another claim as it relates to COVID, right?
00:51:15.000They just insisted at this point in time that lockdowns We're needed to stop the spread of COVID. And so many people believe this.
00:51:22.000Even conservatives were calling me when we did two-a-days during the lockdown saying, you can't do that.
00:51:54.000Pickleball became popular because literally they would keep pickleball courts open in Nevada because you could clean the ball and you couldn't clean a tennis ball.
00:52:01.000That's a big reason that pickleball became very popular.
00:52:03.000That's how crazy we were at that point in time.
00:52:08.000Then trust the science went to, and of course we have to lock down, of course we have to shut down businesses, and we have to shut down local markets, but keep Walmarts and keep Costco's open.
00:52:16.000We have to shut down plant nurseries, but keep weed shops open in Michigan.
00:52:19.000This was all trust the science, the lockdowns.
00:52:25.000You know when I really knew it was BS? Was when Fauci said, don't try and make hand sanitizer at home because it doesn't work with liquor at home.
00:52:35.000And I said it on the show, I said, no, no, what he means to say is it doesn't work if it's vodka, if it's 40% alcohol.
00:56:35.000Yes, indeed, the goose is getting fat.
00:56:37.000We have a big bill here because we have big needs for our country.
00:56:41.000For the well-being of our troops, for the preservation of our national security, for the tens of millions of Americans who look to the federal government for a wide range of basic services, Democrats and Republicans must work together to fully fund The federal government.
00:56:58.000For our country, Madam Speaker, and our communities in the long term, Congress must enact an omnibus funding package.
00:57:25.000The only portion that's in debate is how bad it is in any given year.
00:57:31.000But at the bare minimum, in any given year, the amount of fraud, meaning money that we have no idea where it is, how it's been used, or where to track it.
00:57:40.000$233 billion to $500 billion a year just from 2018 to 2023 alone.
00:59:42.000There really isn't a claim because this was just buried.
00:59:46.000And this is a fact that has actually been apologized for on behalf of our government.
00:59:50.000But when I heard this, I was kind of embarrassed that I didn't know about this.
00:59:55.000And I'd love for you to comment when you see this, if you did.
00:59:57.000You probably do if you watch this program.
01:00:00.000But I didn't for a long time, until the mid-2000s.
01:00:03.000Let's just go with the truth, I guess, at this point.
01:00:06.000The United States government conducted experiments on Guatemalans by knowingly allowing 5,000 Guatemalans To contract STDs and withholding treatment.
01:00:20.000They did this in 1946. And part of the way they spread this was by putting prostitutes into the prison system in Guatemala.
01:00:30.000Put prostitutes in there, ensured that STDs would spread across Guatemala and withheld treatment.
01:00:38.000A White House Bioethics Commission has revealed gruesome new details about American-run venereal disease experiments on unsuspecting Guatemalans from 1946 to 48. The testing focused on sexually transmitted diseases and involved U.S. medical officials intentionally infecting Guatemalan sex workers, prisoners, soldiers, mental patients without their permission in order to study the effects of penicillin.
01:01:06.000The New York Times reports, quote, when some of the men failed to become infected through sex, the bacteria were poured into scrapes made on the penises or faces or even injected by spinal puncture.
01:03:15.000It almost gives credence to the other dictators or fascists or totalitarians across the globe who go, oh, you think your government's so good?
01:03:30.000And that doesn't mean that every single person in government is bad, but for this to have taken place, and then for you to be blamed for being mistrusting of them, I think you should be as mistrusting of every institution as humanly possible.
01:03:45.000Because it's 2024. And any other position would be illogical.
01:03:50.000A bonus conspiracy, and this is one that just dawned on me last night and has been eating at me, which brings me to double secret coincidences.
01:04:16.000And he was going to be on the show here today, Mr. Alex Jones, a friend of the show.
01:04:20.000But I wonder if he couldn't be on the show today because of a legal call, an emergency legal call that he had to get on, or because he was too busy acting in the American classic A Christmas Story?
01:06:31.000And then when it comes to media, the press, when it comes to government making claims, we don't do that anymore.
01:06:39.000We do it to find out how the little bug went kachoo when I'm in the second grade, but not when we're just supposed to trust you on the single biggest violation of fundamental human rights in the United States in the form of lockdowns and vaccine mandates.
01:06:52.000Wait, you're not going to provide me with anything?
01:06:55.000And you're going to remove the voices of people who are?
01:07:00.000Yeah, I certainly think that when we're at that point and someone says, trust me, the answer is, why?