Louder with Crowder - "I Hate Big Government" | Ash Wednesday with Nigel Farage

00:00:00.000 I'm glad to be with you and glad to have our guest here.

00:00:11.000 We don't do Ash Wednesdays all the time, but I don't even know how to introduce this gentleman.

00:00:15.000 He's been on the show many times.

00:00:17.000 You probably know him as Mr. Brexit, largely known as the architect of Brexit, and he's been involved in politics for decades at this point.

00:00:26.000 He may have some plans here coming up in the The next couple of years, I don't want to, I don't know, I don't want to foreshadow and overstep my bounds, but Mr. Nigel Farage, where's the website?

00:00:26.000 He's still making the rounds.

00:00:38.000 nfarage.com is where you can find me and everything I do.

00:00:41.000 And you know, I'm busy broadcasting and traveling and speaking, but yeah, there's some talk I may get back into the front lines of politics.

00:00:49.000 Okay, so what does that mean, front lines?

00:00:51.000 Well, I can, you know, do what you do and we can have our followers and we can have our influence and we can change people's minds on things.

00:00:59.000 We can make them look in different ways.

00:01:01.000 I've managed to get the government to change policy on illegal immigration.

00:01:06.000 I've got government to change the law on how banks operate with people.

00:01:06.000 Right.

00:01:09.000 So I've been very effective.

00:01:11.000 As I am.

00:01:11.000 Right.

00:01:12.000 But standing up and going for election again, that's my big decision at the moment.

00:01:17.000 And that's being in the front lines.

00:01:18.000 Oh, so it's a whole will he, won't he type thing?

00:01:20.000 Yeah it's great fun.

00:01:21.000 You can't say it right now.

00:01:22.000 They're all speculating like crazy and writing column inches of absolute twaddle.

00:01:29.000 Oh I know.

00:01:30.000 But it's kind of, you know, we've got a conservative movement, a Conservative party in Britain that's just

00:01:35.000 collapsing. Right. Literally collapsing. Elected last time round with a whopping

00:01:40.000 majority and they've just blown it. Yeah. So there's a lot of speculation, they're

00:01:44.000 gonna lose the next election, we're gonna get a Labour government, you know,

00:01:48.000 will Nigel stand against the Conservatives and finish them off? Will Nigel

00:01:52.000 perhaps wait and try and become leader of the Conservatives a year or two down

00:01:56.000 the road?

00:01:56.000 Will he continue referring to himself in the third person?

00:02:00.000 Well, yeah.

00:02:01.000 So it's an interesting time.

00:02:05.000 You do have proper Conservatives in America.

00:02:07.000 Right.

00:02:09.000 In our country, there are few and far between.

00:02:10.000 Yeah, you know, that's one of those things where people say, oh, it's not left-right, because I understand conservative means something different in different countries.

00:02:15.000 I mean, I was raised in Quebec, where we don't have conservatives.

00:02:17.000 We have liberals and liberal separatists, basically.

00:02:20.000 Although the separatists are more conservative a little bit, if people kind of understand their reason for separating, it's just not logically sound.

00:02:26.000 But this is not new for you, right?

00:02:27.000 And one thing I wanted to kind of touch on before we get to today is you do have something that not a lot of people have, conservative-liberal.

00:02:35.000 You have a long-standing record that you've always been this guy.

00:02:39.000 That you've always been, you've been remarkably consistent.

00:02:41.000 I always say, like, well, there was no grifting because there was nothing to grift back then.

00:02:44.000 Well, quite the opposite, actually.

00:02:45.000 Yeah.

00:02:45.000 No, you took risks.

00:02:47.000 No, I mean, look, I was in business.

00:02:49.000 Right.

00:02:50.000 I spent 20 years working for American companies.

00:02:52.000 I was in the commodities business, which was a really exciting thing to be in with all the markets and the noise and the buzz and the fun.

00:03:00.000 But I had political views, obviously, and current affairs and politics move markets, move prices.

00:03:06.000 And I just looked at what was happening with this European project as, bit by bit, we gave the government of our country to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats based in Brussels.

00:03:17.000 And then they started talking about a single currency, getting rid of the pound, and I just thought, this is nonsense.

00:03:24.000 Right.

00:03:25.000 This is absolute nonsense.

00:03:27.000 What do people fight two wars for if it wasn't for us to live in our own country with democratic accountability?

00:03:34.000 And it was the Conservatives.

00:03:35.000 It was the British Conservative Party that led the way on all of this.

00:03:38.000 Was it the British Conservative Party who wouldn't officially let you join the party?

00:03:41.000 Oh yeah.

00:03:43.000 They still won't have me.

00:03:44.000 Really?

00:03:44.000 No.

00:03:46.000 So what would, for Americans who are uninitiated, what would you be considered?

00:03:50.000 I know you're a Conservative personally, but as far as the party...

00:03:52.000 Yeah, I would be considered conservative.

00:03:54.000 I would be considered... Well, some people say you're a nationalist.

00:03:58.000 I say, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:03:59.000 I'm a nationist.

00:04:00.000 Right.

00:04:01.000 I believe the nation-state is the building block that we should live under.

00:04:04.000 And people would put me on the centre-right, obviously, not the centre-left, clearly.

00:04:09.000 I mean, I hate big government.

00:04:09.000 I'm pretty libertarian.

00:04:11.000 I hate big government.

00:04:11.000 Right.

00:04:13.000 Do you know, I was distressed When they kept locking us down during Covid.

00:04:19.000 I can imagine.

00:04:20.000 How many of my fellow compatriots just accepted it?

00:04:22.000 I thought you were going to say you were distressed when they outlawed heroin being illegal.

00:04:26.000 I got that libertarian.

00:04:28.000 And I see in Oregon they're reversing all those crazies.

00:04:30.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:04:31.000 Which is really interesting actually.

00:04:32.000 It is interesting.

00:04:34.000 You're going to drive me nuts, there's the tip of that cigar is not lit.

00:04:36.000 Do you want to hit that with a torch?

00:04:37.000 It's going to, that one side of the wrapper.

00:04:39.000 I'm OCD with this and it's just such a, it's such a fine cigar.

00:04:42.000 Did I don't?

00:04:43.000 There you go.

00:04:44.000 It should be perfect.

00:04:45.000 Yeah, I was actually in Spokane, Washington, and I came out of a, I was either a Rite Aid or a CVS, and it looked like a guy had like a tire pressure gauge, and he was smoking crack.

00:04:56.000 And I looked at him, and there was a police officer right there.

00:04:58.000 I thought, well, I guess it's legal here.

00:05:00.000 The cop kind of gave me a shrug.

00:05:01.000 Yes.

00:05:01.000 And I walked back around that corner and he was just passed out on the sidewalk.

00:05:04.000 I said, well, I don't have a problem.

00:05:06.000 I do.

00:05:06.000 I don't smoke crack, kids.

00:05:08.000 But if someone's smoking crack, we're kind of told by libertarians, they'll just be doing it in their house.

00:05:12.000 No, the problem is the bodies in the street.

00:05:13.000 The problem is that when you're out there, it affects everybody.

00:05:16.000 They're screaming that they're Jesus, which is usually crackheads.

00:05:19.000 I've never met a non-crackhead who claimed he was Jesus. 1.00

00:05:22.000 Seems to be a constant.

00:05:23.000 So it is interesting, though, these experiments that are taking place.

00:05:26.000 So you're more libertarian.

00:05:28.000 I hate big government.

00:05:30.000 I believe in free markets.

00:05:31.000 I believe in enterprise.

00:05:32.000 And I basically think that the world, our world, has been completely taken over by big banks, big business, and big politics.

00:05:39.000 And the little guy, the little woman, who wants to set up their own business, have a go in life, the sort of people who in the 1980s made our countries, both of our countries, quite wealthy, and they did well themselves.

00:05:52.000 There's not much room for these people anymore.

00:05:54.000 And so I loathe corporatism.

00:05:55.000 I loathe big government.

00:05:58.000 Anyway, I became a campaigner.

00:06:00.000 I became a campaigner and I thought, right, the best way to campaign is to stand for office.

00:06:07.000 And I've been doing that for over 30 years.

00:06:09.000 I then got elected to the European Parliament, which was enormous fun because, I mean, this was, this place was, and still is, the temple of globalism. I mean this is it. This is why the Clintons

00:06:23.000 love it. This is why Biden's always loved it. This is the, if you like, the prototype for what

00:06:28.000 they want us to, the way they want us to live. Is that tough for you to basically be a member of a

00:06:33.000 club that you can't stand?

00:06:34.000 Well I mean it was extraordinary.

00:06:37.000 So, I was the heretic.

00:06:39.000 Right.

00:06:40.000 I mean, literally the heretic. 0.70

00:06:41.000 They'd never had anyone like me there in their history.

00:06:41.000 Yeah.

00:06:44.000 I can imagine.

00:06:44.000 They had people who were sceptical about the project, but, you know, I turned up and said, look guys, this is a load of bollocks.

00:06:52.000 I remember when you said Belgium is not a nation.

00:06:54.000 I said, Belgium's a non-country.

00:06:57.000 I got terrible telling off.

00:06:59.000 And I heard the collective, what?

00:07:01.000 And you doubled down and you're like, let me repeat.

00:07:02.000 It's not a real place.

00:07:04.000 But you explained it.

00:07:05.000 You said they don't even have, they have two different languages, two different areas of this country.

00:07:09.000 It's not a nation state.

00:07:10.000 They hate each other.

00:07:11.000 It's basically civil conflict without the war.

00:07:13.000 And a lot of Americans don't understand that because it's such a big country, you know, and we have all these states and there still is a sense of a union.

00:07:20.000 I think Americans may not realize that coming from the UK, you're so close to neighbors, just as close as we may be to Oklahoma, who may share nothing in common as far as interests.

00:07:30.000 I mean, look, you know, one of the joys of Europe is you drive a hundred miles, you'll find different languages, different customs, different cheese.

00:07:41.000 Actually, the joy of Europe is the different countries and the idea that you want to crush that and make them all the same is horrible.

00:07:51.000 So yeah, I spent 21 years in the European Parliament.

00:07:54.000 I had enormous fun doing it.

00:07:56.000 I mean, enormous fun doing it.

00:07:58.000 And normally If you're surrounded by people that scream and shout at you and hate you, you will normally tend to move in their direction a little bit, because being disliked is not a normal human condition.

00:08:14.000 They also tried to bribe me.

00:08:16.000 Sure.

00:08:17.000 Many times, you know, with Nigel, we can make your life so much easier.

00:08:20.000 But actually, I just loved it.

00:08:22.000 Getting up and 500 of them screaming at me.

00:08:24.000 I mean, I absolutely loved it.

00:08:26.000 And it was funny because In the early days, people thought I was a political joke.

00:08:33.000 Sure.

00:08:33.000 Like they thought with Donald Trump.

00:08:35.000 But then suddenly they go, oh my God, millions of people are going to vote for this bloke.

00:08:39.000 But at the end of it, it was incredible.

00:08:44.000 I was banned.

00:08:45.000 There was a coffee shop.

00:08:46.000 I'd gone in to buy a coffee and a bagel every morning for All 15 years.

00:08:51.000 This is in 2016.

00:08:53.000 This is when we get the twin shocks of Brexit and Trump.

00:08:57.000 And I went in one morning, no we're not serving you.

00:08:59.000 So I was barred from the coffee shop.

00:09:01.000 And then restaurants wouldn't allow me in.

00:09:03.000 And then the worst one was the pub!

00:09:06.000 This pub in Brussels that I had frequented and spent a considerable Some of cheers.

00:09:12.000 Cheers.

00:09:13.000 Is that drink, by the way, to your liking?

00:09:15.000 You're the only person who comes in here and drinks gin.

00:09:18.000 Most Americans don't appreciate it.

00:09:20.000 Gin is catching on in America, but when I first came here over 40 years ago, finding gin was very, very difficult.

00:09:26.000 You know why it's catching on?

00:09:27.000 The reason it's catching on is because there was, you know, craft brewing with beer, and people realized beer could be a lot better, so then they tried to do craft distilling.

00:09:33.000 But most craft whiskey, um, is god-awful.

00:09:37.000 It's dog s***, pardon my language, because people can't sit on product for four to eight years, right, but you can make really good gin pretty quickly.

00:09:37.000 Yeah.

00:09:44.000 Yeah, and it's easy.

00:09:45.000 Yeah.

00:09:45.000 And it's easy.

00:09:45.000 If you get the ratios right.

00:09:46.000 It's even the pub!

00:09:47.000 And one night he says, Nigel, I'm sorry, I can't serve you anymore in here.

00:09:50.000 Yeah.

00:09:51.000 You know, I've been told that if we continue to serve you, there'll be a boycott put on the pub.

00:09:55.000 So I've been cancelled.

00:09:57.000 I've been cancelled more than anyone you've ever met.

00:09:59.000 But you know what?

00:10:01.000 We won.

00:10:01.000 I did it.

00:10:02.000 Yeah.

00:10:03.000 We won.

00:10:03.000 Yeah.

00:10:04.000 I mean, everyone told me it was impossible.

00:10:07.000 Everyone told me it would never ever happen.

00:10:09.000 And for me, the moral of the story is if you have a dream in life, follow it.

00:10:13.000 Yeah.

00:10:14.000 Follow it.

00:10:15.000 I mean, unless the dream is like physiologically impossible.

00:10:17.000 Like when I was a kid, I wanted to actually physically fly or be invisible.

00:10:21.000 Yeah.

00:10:21.000 And that would have been a problem.

00:10:22.000 Yeah, well, I think that chap on the street, you'd better... Yes, exactly.

00:10:26.000 Hey, you know, maybe in Spokane, at least I'll think that that's the case.

00:10:29.000 And then they made that crappy film with Benedict Cumberbatch where they sort of, they just go, yeah, yeah, yeah, Nigel Farage. 0.95

00:10:34.000 That was absolute nonsense. 0.95

00:10:35.000 I know.

00:10:36.000 Because you're the guy.

00:10:36.000 Well, you know why?

00:10:37.000 This is one thing, when you're the real Yeah.

00:10:38.000 guy like there are people out there who want to hold themselves out as the guy.

00:10:40.000 And I say this with stand-up comedy, Nick DiPaolo is the guy. Like I see the best

00:10:45.000 people in the world call him and ask for help to write jokes. But he's so

00:10:48.000 controversial and he's always been consistent that no one really wants to

00:10:52.000 give him full credit. Because they don't want to build you up into

00:10:55.000 something more powerful than they can take on. But everyone who, you know, the

00:10:59.000 people who supported you, they know. Oh God, I mean if you ask the public, you

00:11:03.000 know, in an opinion poll who's responsible for Brexit, whether you agree

00:11:06.000 with it or disagree with it, my name's way higher than anybody else.

00:11:09.000 Of course it is.

00:11:10.000 No, of course it is.

00:11:11.000 And same thing when we've had you on the show.

00:11:12.000 People love you.

00:11:13.000 I think states said they also just love that you can have a sense of humour and seeing Donald Trump was kind of the first politician, or really since Reagan here in the States, who was able to do that, whereas it's more commonplace in the UK to some degree.

00:11:24.000 Let's be honest, a lot of American conservatives, and it is changing.

00:11:30.000 But a lot of American conservatives have been, over the decades, some of the most boring people in the world. 0.52

00:11:36.000 Yeah, they've been wieners.

00:11:37.000 I mean, really, really doer.

00:11:40.000 And I was talking at a conference this week in Tampa.

00:11:45.000 I said to them all at the end, I said, we're up against the most humorless, Right.

00:11:51.000 New liberal left politics.

00:11:53.000 It wants to ban everything.

00:11:56.000 It can't laugh at itself.

00:11:58.000 Ever.

00:11:58.000 Right.

00:12:00.000 I said we need to be the happy warriors.

00:12:02.000 We need to be the ones that are prepared to have a laugh, have a joke, smile.

00:12:02.000 Right.

00:12:06.000 And I think Trump does that.

00:12:07.000 Yeah.

00:12:08.000 Trump, on a good day, Trump makes people smile.

00:12:10.000 And makes people laugh.

00:12:10.000 Yes.

00:12:11.000 And there's a sense of humanity about him.

00:12:13.000 And I think I think that's what the Conservative movement needs to be.

00:12:17.000 The other point I'd make, and I don't forget I've spent 40 years involved with this country, I've commuted back and forth across the pond more than anybody, business, media, politics.

00:12:30.000 There's an election on, I've got the TV on in an American hotel room.

00:12:34.000 And it's constantly, this candidate's terrible, I'm not very good but this guy's even worse.

00:12:41.000 How's that exciting? 0.99

00:12:42.000 It's like, we suck less. 0.99

00:12:44.000 That's right! 0.99

00:12:45.000 Exactly what it is.

00:12:45.000 And huge sums of money spent on this negative campaigning.

00:12:49.000 And I don't believe in that.

00:12:50.000 I think white people need a vision.

00:12:52.000 You've got to say, guys, this is the journey we're on.

00:12:52.000 Right.

00:12:55.000 It's exciting, because if we get this to work, this is where we're going to be.

00:12:58.000 In five years' time, ten years' time, or whatever it is.

00:12:58.000 Yeah.

00:13:01.000 So I'd like to see, from the whole Conservative movement, more humour.

00:13:03.000 Well, you bring plenty of that.

00:13:04.000 Oh, thank you.

00:13:05.000 No, you do.

00:13:06.000 More humour, but also a bit more vision.

00:13:08.000 No, I think you're right.

00:13:08.000 Yeah.

00:13:09.000 And I think sometimes people will see, for example, like President, they'll see someone like a President Trump saying, look, we have a problem with immigration.

00:13:15.000 And they'll say, see, that's negative campaigning.

00:13:17.000 No, that's addressing an issue.

00:13:18.000 And then he goes and calls Marco Rubio small hands, which is funny.

00:13:21.000 I mean, you need a little bit of both.

00:13:23.000 It's the duality of man, I think.

00:13:26.000 And you have been ahead of that.

00:13:27.000 And of course, you were accused of being racist, right?

00:13:29.000 Discussing immigration in the UK.

00:13:30.000 And I think it's, it's borne out now.

00:13:32.000 Were you affected?

00:13:33.000 But it was the humour that worked for me, because the reason those, so in about 2006, seven, Is when YouTube first appeared on my radar.

00:13:42.000 And then 2008, the financial crisis.

00:13:46.000 My brother at the time was working on a trading desk in the City of London.

00:13:51.000 I would give a speech in the European Parliament at 9 o'clock in the morning on the Euro crisis, the bailouts, etc.

00:14:00.000 An hour later, my brother would ring me to say, I saw what you had to say in the European Parliament.

00:14:06.000 How?

00:14:07.000 Because an American financial markets website, quite a well-known one, had picked out the video.

00:14:14.000 Clipped it.

00:14:15.000 Clipped it and sent it out to all their people. 0.67

00:14:17.000 And I started to realise, wow, this is quite exciting.

00:14:17.000 Yep.

00:14:20.000 Yes, yeah.

00:14:21.000 I don't need to, I don't need to rely on the BBC anymore.

00:14:24.000 And I, and I realised the videos that worked Weren't the ones when I was angry?

00:14:32.000 No.

00:14:33.000 They were the ones when I was really saying something that made people laugh, made people smile, taking the mickey out of very very pompous people, pointing out the absurdities, and so really it was YouTube that made me.

00:14:48.000 Yes, I was in the European Parliament, but you know, frankly, politically, very very small fry.

00:14:54.000 Right.

00:14:55.000 And suddenly in 2010, In 2010, they have the first President of Europe, because this was the job that Blair wanted, but didn't get.

00:15:05.000 And they picked a bloke called Herman Van Rompuy.

00:15:07.000 Well, I mean, I'll be honest with you, I'd barely ever heard of this bloke.

00:15:10.000 I don't like his name.

00:15:11.000 And poor chap, Belgium, you see, you've got to feel sorry for him.

00:15:14.000 What, he's from a nine country?

00:15:17.000 Absolutely!

00:15:18.000 Anyway, so, this was the big day.

00:15:22.000 This was going to be the big global leader that would represent at the G7, etc, you know.

00:15:27.000 And... It was an afternoon event.

00:15:33.000 I went to lunch.

00:15:35.000 Sat with some friends.

00:15:36.000 What am I going to do?

00:15:37.000 I knew it was a big moment.

00:15:37.000 What am I going to say?

00:15:39.000 You know, sort of trumpeters in the gallery.

00:15:41.000 It was almost like a sort of coronation.

00:15:44.000 What am I going to do?

00:15:44.000 Right.

00:15:45.000 And I thought, yeah, the theme, who are you?

00:15:49.000 I think that works.

00:15:49.000 I've never heard of you.

00:15:51.000 I think that'll resonate.

00:15:54.000 I never use notes.

00:15:56.000 In no speech do I ever use notes.

00:15:58.000 But I tend to spend the whole day thinking through and then writing it down on a piece of paper and rewriting it.

00:16:03.000 But I always try and stand up and look people in the eye and speak.

00:16:07.000 Because if you just read, it's like dirge-like, isn't it?

00:16:09.000 I mean, why bother?

00:16:10.000 You know, a robot can do that.

00:16:11.000 My notes are on the floor.

00:16:14.000 You don't need...

00:16:15.000 I started with them, and then I just toss them.

00:16:18.000 It's for the plugs.

00:16:19.000 Because sometimes I've had people come on and they go, thanks for plugging my book.

00:16:22.000 I'm like, well, I plugged your book.

00:16:23.000 Sometimes people come with 50 plugs, but you don't need it.

00:16:25.000 Everyone knows who you are.

00:16:27.000 I always tell people, because I get so many people write to me to say, oh my God, my daughter's getting married next week.

00:16:32.000 I've got to give a speech.

00:16:33.000 What the hell do I do?

00:16:34.000 Because people are very scared of getting up and speaking.

00:16:36.000 Sure.

00:16:36.000 I always say to people, have three things to say.

00:16:39.000 Have a one, two, three, because that's easy to remember.

00:16:42.000 Beginning, middle, end.

00:16:43.000 Very simple.

00:16:44.000 I said, and don't read from notes, look at the room, and remember, everybody in that room is on your side.

00:16:51.000 Everybody in that room wants you to do well.

00:16:53.000 Now I speak without notes, but when I get up to speak in the European Parliament, absolutely nobody in that room is on my side.

00:17:00.000 Oh, exactly.

00:17:01.000 And you never quite know what's going to come out.

00:17:03.000 So I had this plan of, who are you?

00:17:06.000 And then, I don't know what it was, watching him speak, I think, I said we were told there was going to be a great global leader, a man being paid more money than President Obama.

00:17:18.000 I said and what we got was you!

00:17:22.000 I said, and frankly, I don't know where this came from.

00:17:25.000 I don't know where this came from!

00:17:26.000 I said, you have the charisma of a dab rag... Nice! 1.00

00:17:30.000 ...and the appearance of a low-grade bank clerk.

00:17:33.000 And that was it.

00:17:34.000 I was warming to the theme by now.

00:17:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:17:37.000 Yeah, and the question I want to ask is, who are you?

00:17:39.000 Anyway, the whole thing went absolutely nutso.

00:17:39.000 I've never heard of you!

00:17:44.000 I can imagine.

00:17:44.000 You know, even the rap version got about five million views overnight, you know?

00:17:49.000 Is this back when auto-tuning the news was really big?

00:17:52.000 Yeah, I remember that.

00:17:54.000 Suddenly, overnight, I go from being a marginal political figure...

00:17:59.000 To being a household name.

00:18:00.000 Right.

00:18:01.000 I mean, literally that one speech did it.

00:18:03.000 Well, the reason, I think, you say, you know, it's not when you're angry, but when you make people, but here's the thing.

00:18:08.000 There is all, humor always has a target.

00:18:10.000 I mean, even go to the oldest joke in the book, right?

00:18:11.000 Why did the chicken cross the road? 1.00

00:18:13.000 You're the idiot to get to the other side, right? 1.00

00:18:15.000 And so you're accomplishing the same thing. 1.00

00:18:16.000 It's important to make people feel something before they listen.

00:18:19.000 Now, the left only plays on feelings, but if you make someone laugh, it makes someone else just as angry.

00:18:26.000 As you would by insulting them.

00:18:27.000 Because they feel insulted.

00:18:28.000 And so it accomplishes the same goal where people who may be in the middle are willing to listen because they're likely at least half laughing.

00:18:33.000 But what it also does, it gives you a volunteer army.

00:18:37.000 You know, how have you brought your stuff to where you've built it?

00:18:37.000 Right.

00:18:39.000 Well, you've built it because people see your stuff, like it, and they send it to their mates.

00:18:43.000 Right.

00:18:44.000 That's the best advertising of a lot, isn't it?

00:18:45.000 Yeah.

00:18:46.000 The best advertising of a lot.

00:18:46.000 Yeah.

00:18:48.000 That was what really, really pushed my career into a very different place.

00:18:48.000 So that was it.

00:18:52.000 And you know what?

00:18:53.000 Through all the ups and downs of it, Some of it's been pretty nasty.

00:18:57.000 Some of the abuse I've taken has been pretty bloomin' nasty.

00:19:00.000 You know, physical violence, threat, all that stuff.

00:19:02.000 It's been horrible.

00:19:05.000 But actually, for most of it, I had the most enormous fun doing it.

00:19:08.000 Yeah.

00:19:09.000 You know, and I've used that notoriety to go into broadcasting in the UK.

00:19:13.000 We've got this upstart news channel, GB News.

00:19:16.000 We're taking on the BBC.

00:19:18.000 We're taking on the ultra-woke Sky.

00:19:20.000 Yeah.

00:19:21.000 Well, I used to do Sky News quite a bit.

00:19:23.000 You know, and it's just gone now, completely.

00:19:27.000 Climate-obsessed.

00:19:28.000 So, you know, I've been doing broadcasting now, really, for the last few years, but still campaigning on issues.

00:19:33.000 And also the issue, big issue, was immigration.

00:19:35.000 And this is something where I know the media, they will always try and target you as racist.

00:19:38.000 It's even bigger now.

00:19:39.000 Yes, even bigger now.

00:19:40.000 And I want to ask you if you see the parallels, because you did a documentary, I want to say two years ago, on immigration in the United States.

00:19:46.000 I went back and watched it, where you were talking about the border crisis under Biden, 750,000 or so at that point in time crossings.

00:19:53.000 Today it's 7.6 million.

00:19:55.000 Did you see it accelerating that rapidly?

00:19:59.000 Oh, I think if you are not prepared to defend your borders, and if you allow people to come into your country illegally, And if you provide accommodation for them, and food for them, and the chance to work in the illegal industries of drugs or whatever it is, that message says to the world, please come. 0.99

00:20:22.000 Please come.

00:20:23.000 There's no deterrent of any kind at all.

00:20:26.000 I didn't see it being as big as this, obviously.

00:20:28.000 Yeah, 7.6 million.

00:20:29.000 But it's huge.

00:20:33.000 In our case, it was the English Channel.

00:20:35.000 It was the illegal immigration over the channel.

00:20:37.000 And mainstream media were not covering the story.

00:20:40.000 So I hired a boat, and I repeatedly went out into the English Channel and filmed.

00:20:46.000 Yeah.

00:20:46.000 These dinghies of young men, put it on the internet, and suddenly, you know, I forced the media into making this a story, and it's now the dominant issue in British politics.

00:20:55.000 It's the issue that will literally finish Sunak's career.

00:21:00.000 Because we're allowing in, it was 700 yesterday, 700 yesterday across the English Channel, they are 90% young males.

00:21:07.000 They have no documentation.

00:21:09.000 I've even filmed them throwing their iPhones into the sea, throwing their passports into the sea, so we can't trace who they are, so we can't deport them anywhere.

00:21:17.000 That's why they do it.

00:21:19.000 But it's okay, because they're given a new iPhone as soon as they land.

00:21:21.000 Right, yeah, exactly.

00:21:22.000 As opposed to one of the native citizens.

00:21:24.000 I remember back when the scariest thing you had on the English Channel was just Jack LaLanne pulling a tugboat with his teeth.

00:21:30.000 Watch this! 0.91

00:21:30.000 This is how I'm fit! 0.91

00:21:31.000 You're like, what are you doing?

00:21:32.000 This is insane!

00:21:34.000 Yeah, 701 day.

00:21:35.000 Yeah, you know, and so these are the issues that I've campaigned on and yet been called all the names under the sun, but here's the point.

00:21:42.000 These are young men of fighting age whose attitudes towards women Whose tolerance of people who are gay, whose support for terrorist organisations like Hamas, is at a level that effectively what we're doing, and you're doing it now in this country, I've warned people in America for years, do not allow big Muslim enclaves to build up. 0.98

00:22:11.000 And that is not, in any way, being insulting.

00:22:13.000 I've got lots of Muslim friends who are perfectly integrated and do well in their lives.

00:22:17.000 But if you build up these big enclaves, or effectively ghettos, you know, what happens is, that is the environment in which extremism flourishes.

00:22:27.000 Sure.

00:22:28.000 That's where it happens.

00:22:29.000 And I always thought America would steer clear of this, but you've got this coming across your borders here.

00:22:33.000 And we're allowing a fifth column, a potential fifth column, to build up in our countries.

00:22:38.000 You know, great civilizations through history, Don't fall from without.

00:22:43.000 They're not invaded.

00:22:45.000 They fall because they become corrupt.

00:22:47.000 They fall because they lose a sense of purpose of what they are.

00:22:50.000 And you can go back thousands of years and see the rise of these great civilizations and then the fall.

00:22:55.000 And we are at a point, the Western world is at a point where I genuinely believe these battles are civilizational.

00:23:02.000 No, I completely agree with you, and I always say the big difference between, you know, when people talk about this being a nation of immigrants, the United States, which is different from obviously a lot of countries in Europe, because, sorry, your number one draft pick got away, and we fled the crown.

00:23:14.000 Well, you were the first Brexit! 0.99

00:23:15.000 Effectively!

00:23:17.000 And it was all about taxes on a breakfast beverage, and, I mean, it wasn't even that caffeinated when you put it in context, so imagine what they would have done.

00:23:24.000 But, yeah, when you think about it, okay, fine, sure, nation of immigrants.

00:23:28.000 But people came here at one point, whether it's the Irish, you know, Jews from Europe at one point in time, Italians, right?

00:23:34.000 They came here with a promise of nothing.

00:23:36.000 It was a risk that they were taking to try and build a life that's very different from a country that has a welfare state, where people are coming to benefit from that social safety net.

00:23:44.000 So, Milton Friedman, you know, the high priest of free markets.

00:23:50.000 And people say, Nigel, how can you want to limit immigration if you believe in free markets?

00:23:55.000 Even Milton Friedman said, you cannot have the free movement of peoples around the world all the while you have a social security system.

00:24:01.000 Right.

00:24:02.000 That's exactly right.

00:24:03.000 Exactly right.

00:24:03.000 Well, that's why when you say you're a libertarian, I remember spending quite a bit of time in DC and had a lot of friends who worked, for example, at Reason Magazine.

00:24:10.000 And they believe in open borders.

00:24:11.000 They believe that borders are just kind of a, it's sort of an antiquated idea, and many of them ended up voting for Obama, which surprised me, where I said, oh, okay, so if libertarian in the states means it can include at one point in time, you know, Glenn Beck, Greg Gutfeld, and Bill Maher, I was like, this doesn't really mean anything.

00:24:25.000 So I would tend to be considered more libertarian, but I just say conservative.

00:24:29.000 Yeah, I mean, look, I'm libertarian in a sense.

00:24:31.000 I do not want the government telling me whether I can smoke a cigarette in my local pub.

00:24:36.000 I don't want government telling me whether I can hunt foxes at weekends, if that's what I want to do, if that's my thing.

00:24:41.000 I should be allowed to do it.

00:24:42.000 And I think, you know, during the pandemic we reached the level of government control we'd never seen even in wartime.

00:24:48.000 It's true.

00:24:49.000 It's unbelievable.

00:24:50.000 Yeah, it really was.

00:24:51.000 You know, not even in World War Two did government limit people's lives like that.

00:24:54.000 Have you seen the awakening in the UK and Europe that we've seen in the United States?

00:24:58.000 Because I will tell you, I've not seen more people have the veil lifted who are apolitical or who are liberal than COVID.

00:25:04.000 I mean, moms with children in schools.

00:25:07.000 But I come from Canada.

00:25:09.000 I was raised where a lot of my friends back home, they still don't get it.

00:25:12.000 In America, people get it.

00:25:13.000 Is it the same thing in the UK where a lot of people get it?

00:25:15.000 I think something very, as I say, I was, the first lockdown I could live with, you know, I saw the scenes in Milan and I thought, wow, is this the 1919 flu?

00:25:26.000 I think we all did.

00:25:27.000 We all did.

00:25:27.000 I didn't mind locking down for a couple of weeks.

00:25:29.000 I think I was the only one who didn't.

00:25:30.000 No, I was okay with that.

00:25:32.000 Let's find out what it is, alright?

00:25:33.000 Let's find out what it is.

00:25:36.000 But after that, the second lockdown I thought was... I mean, quite frankly, by second and third lockdowns, I just ignored it completely.

00:25:42.000 It was great.

00:25:43.000 I could drive down the motorway fast, there were no cars on the road.

00:25:43.000 Oh yeah?

00:25:46.000 Right, yeah.

00:25:48.000 Well, when that happened, that's where we did the Mug Club Quarantine Month. 0.54

00:25:50.000 It was our biggest month of growth.

00:25:52.000 The very first lockdown, everyone was in there, including conservatives, in their basement.

00:25:55.000 We said, we're doing two-a-days.

00:25:56.000 We did two shows a day because I knew people were locked at home.

00:25:59.000 And I can't tell you how many Conservatives, whose names I won't provide right now, calling me saying, you know, this is really irresponsible, you shouldn't be bringing in the crew.

00:26:05.000 I'm like, well, guess what?

00:26:06.000 They all decided they want to work.

00:26:08.000 They saw the ride, they bought a ticket anyway.

00:26:10.000 But do you think that in the UK there has been that foundational shift where people realize that they were lied to?

00:26:16.000 We've woken up.

00:26:17.000 We've woken up on the fact we were lied to.

00:26:19.000 The other thing, and I'm not going to go down a rabbit hole on this, as some people have done, but There can be little doubt that some of the vaccines that were produced just weren't vaccines.

00:26:31.000 And I remember, and I had the first two.

00:26:34.000 I had the first two.

00:26:36.000 You know why?

00:26:37.000 I wanted to come to America. 0.96

00:26:37.000 You know why? 0.96

00:26:39.000 All right?

00:26:40.000 You know, I mean, this is my fourth trip here this year already.

00:26:43.000 So I'm, you know, I'm in America, you know, seven, eight, nine, ten times a year.

00:26:48.000 I guess being in America with a third nipple is better than not being able to come. 0.98

00:26:51.000 So I had the first two.

00:26:53.000 Then it came to the booster.

00:26:56.000 And I did it on my TV show.

00:26:59.000 I said, right, I'm going to debate over the next week whether I should have the booster.

00:27:03.000 And I was being texted.

00:27:05.000 I was being emailed.

00:27:07.000 I had letters sent to my house.

00:27:08.000 They were just telling me, you've got to go and have the booster.

00:27:10.000 Yeah.

00:27:11.000 So I debated this with medical experts.

00:27:14.000 Medical experts who thought I should have the boost, I asked them all the same three questions.

00:27:20.000 Number one, would this stop me catching Covid?

00:27:22.000 Okay, thank you.

00:27:22.000 No.

00:27:24.000 Number two, would it stop me passing it on to my elderly parents?

00:27:27.000 A genuine concern?

00:27:28.000 Sure, of course.

00:27:29.000 No.

00:27:30.000 So why should I take it?

00:27:31.000 Because if you get Covid you'll be less ill.

00:27:33.000 Isn't that my choice?

00:27:34.000 Right.

00:27:35.000 And I think the vaccine harm thing, I think the level of lies Sure.

00:27:40.000 And I just asked myself the question, will anybody ever be properly held to account over this?

00:27:49.000 I don't think so.

00:27:49.000 I don't think so either.

00:27:50.000 I don't think so either.

00:27:51.000 And the big reason is not because of those in DC, but because of those in Hollywood and those in New York, those in media and big tech are in bed with media right now.

00:28:00.000 And that's why, like you talked about running for office again, sure, but you can have Just as much, if not more, of an impact sometimes in taking on the media.

00:28:07.000 Not playing ball with the big tech platforms, unfortunately.

00:28:07.000 Oh yes!

00:28:09.000 We're past that point now.

00:28:11.000 We've crossed the Rubicon.

00:28:12.000 YouTube, those places.

00:28:13.000 If you even, at one point in time, discussed this.

00:28:16.000 For example, Gerald, you've met him, the nicest guy alive.

00:28:19.000 We cited the CDC.

00:28:20.000 We actually included their chart that, hey, there have been more flu deaths in infants and toddlers this season, this year, than all of COVID ever combined.

00:28:29.000 I think it was like a five time, multiple of five.

00:28:33.000 And YouTube said, well, even though it's correct, it may cause people to not take COVID seriously enough.

00:28:38.000 So we're going to remove it.

00:28:39.000 We said, we quoted the CDC.

00:28:40.000 You say they are an authority.

00:28:42.000 And that, to me, was a point when I would see people on the right playing ball with Big Tech. 0.99

00:28:46.000 Please, please kill me last. 0.94

00:28:47.000 I'm like, we can't. 0.99

00:28:48.000 I think people are waking up to it in quite a big way.

00:28:50.000 And they need to.

00:28:51.000 We're almost back to where we started the conversation.

00:28:53.000 Big business.

00:28:53.000 Right.

00:28:54.000 Global corporates who virtually own governments.

00:28:57.000 Yeah, well you were, you said, debanked.

00:28:59.000 Now explain to me what that means.

00:29:00.000 They just not, they allowed you to transfer your money somewhere else, right?

00:29:03.000 They didn't take your money from you, dear God.

00:29:05.000 I'd been with a bank called National Westminster Bank.

00:29:08.000 It's Britain's biggest bank.

00:29:09.000 They've got 19 million customers.

00:29:12.000 I've been with them since 1980.

00:29:15.000 I ran all my city businesses through them when I had a proper job.

00:29:20.000 I've never had one, so I don't know.

00:29:22.000 Well, actually, do you know what?

00:29:25.000 In those days, going to work was fun.

00:29:27.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:29:27.000 Because there was no woke rubbish. 0.97

00:29:29.000 Right. 0.63

00:29:29.000 Offices were a huge fun. 0.63

00:29:32.000 Trading floors were fun.

00:29:35.000 Everyone took the mickey out of everybody.

00:29:37.000 Sure.

00:29:38.000 There were laughs and jokes.

00:29:40.000 Yeah.

00:29:40.000 We'd go out for drinks after work that would go on.

00:29:45.000 And kind of it's where people met it's where people met their partners and got married it was going to work was fun Anyway, so I've been with this bank since 1980.

00:29:53.000 The last 10 years I've been with Coutts, a wholly owned subsidiary, the posh bit, if you like, of the bank, private banking.

00:30:00.000 The Queen was a client, all the rest of it. 0.61

00:30:02.000 My account was always in credit, never any problems at all with it.

00:30:07.000 I ran my personal accounts through it, I ran my company accounts through it with media income and stuff like that.

00:30:14.000 And I get a phone call one day, we're closing your accounts.

00:30:16.000 I get a letter confirming, you know, you've got ten weeks to leave this bank.

00:30:23.000 I tell you, it really hit me.

00:30:24.000 Oh yeah?

00:30:25.000 Wow!

00:30:28.000 So I thought, what do I do?

00:30:31.000 I know what I'll do.

00:30:33.000 I'm not going to go public on this.

00:30:35.000 But I'll go and find alternatives.

00:30:39.000 I was refused by ten banks.

00:30:41.000 Really?

00:30:42.000 Ten banks.

00:30:45.000 Small private banks, big global banks, an American bank, and ten banks refused my business because I'm Nigel Farage.

00:30:53.000 Right.

00:30:54.000 I'm a reputational risk to the bank.

00:30:56.000 Now luckily for us, and you haven't got this in America, Under our Freedom of Information Act, we are able to go to any private company that we've done business with and ask for the file of all the documents and comments about us.

00:31:09.000 Okay.

00:31:10.000 So 40 pages of gold.

00:31:12.000 Came back.

00:31:12.000 Oh, really?

00:31:14.000 Russia was mentioned 144 times.

00:31:15.000 Oh, it would have to be.

00:31:17.000 Suspicions that I'm in the pay of Putin.

00:31:18.000 Of course.

00:31:19.000 Brexit was mentioned 87 times as if this global catastrophe has overcome us and this bad dude's in charge.

00:31:26.000 Net zero.

00:31:28.000 That I wasn't a supporter of net zero.

00:31:30.000 That my comments on immigration were inconsistent with their diversity and inclusion agenda.

00:31:38.000 And that my views did not align with those of the bank.

00:31:44.000 And when I got this document, I thought, I like this.

00:31:47.000 Yeah, I can imagine.

00:31:49.000 The last sentence said, we view the risk of him going public to be very low.

00:31:56.000 Because he'll find it too embarrassing.

00:31:58.000 Well, you know what?

00:31:59.000 They picked up the wrong bloke, didn't they?

00:32:02.000 So I stood up and said I'd been debanked.

00:32:04.000 The media went absolutely crackers.

00:32:08.000 I had 38 front pages of British national newspapers over the course of the next three weeks.

00:32:14.000 Um, every TV news program was covering it.

00:32:18.000 And the funny thing was, it was rather like coming out, really.

00:32:21.000 You know, I've been deep.

00:32:22.000 And suddenly, lots of other people popped their heads up over the parapet and said the same things happened to me.

00:32:27.000 So I kind of give them cover for people to understand what was really going on.

00:32:27.000 Right.

00:32:31.000 Sure.

00:32:32.000 And this is why Woke is not a joke.

00:32:34.000 No, it's not.

00:32:35.000 It's not a joke at all.

00:32:36.000 And if you haven't got a bank account, you literally can't function or live in the modern world.

00:32:41.000 It's as essential as water coming into your house.

00:32:45.000 So that was my really big campaign last year.

00:32:46.000 And you have so many Americans here saying, well, what, you're afraid, what, that you're going to be debanked, like a conspiracy?

00:32:50.000 They will tell you, though, it's absurd.

00:32:52.000 Come on, Saturday Night Live said Trump had gone mad by using the phrase debanking.

00:32:56.000 I mean, what is this?

00:32:57.000 It doesn't even exist.

00:32:58.000 I know.

00:32:58.000 Yeah.

00:32:59.000 Tell that to Kanye West.

00:33:01.000 Who, by the way, said some nutty things.

00:33:02.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:33:03.000 Goes on Alex Jones with a net and a bottle of Yoohoo.

00:33:05.000 I don't even get the joke.

00:33:07.000 I guess it sounds like Net and Yahoo, but you know, he shouldn't be debanked for that.

00:33:12.000 That is one of those issues.

00:33:14.000 I mean, we were removed from, let's see, Shopify.

00:33:17.000 We had several service providers from merchandise companies.

00:33:21.000 YouTube made us remove shirts from our private merch store off of YouTube if we were to be allowed to upload Yeah, I was.

00:33:26.000 Yeah, so this is how and people say well, you know what then just don't do business with them

00:33:26.000 I was debanked.

00:33:30.000 But if there's collusion where they all get together and say no, no, we're all going to agree here

00:33:34.000 I mean, it's not a conspiracy for example to whether you agree with him or not

00:33:37.000 Say Alex Jones was removed from every single platform within five hours of each other

00:33:41.000 Yeah, that's one conference call and it happens all the time

00:33:43.000 And I'm sure there were other things that were happening while you were debanked. That was just the most severe

00:33:48.000 Yeah, the cigars. Oh, yeah, I was I was debanked. I've had problems getting insurance

00:33:53.000 I had a pension provider refuse to continue doing business with me.

00:33:57.000 I mean, I joked with you earlier.

00:34:00.000 I'm the most cancelled person you know.

00:34:02.000 I mean, what do I stand for?

00:34:05.000 Views that 25 years ago would have been considered perfectly normal.

00:34:09.000 Right.

00:34:09.000 Almost quite middle of the road.

00:34:10.000 Well, we had this, you know, I mean, yeah, I would challenge that with myself, this entire company.

00:34:16.000 But I'm a comedian, you know, it's different, right?

00:34:18.000 We host, we provide a reference for every single claim we make on air.

00:34:21.000 But we even had, you know, we had hit pieces come out at one point, New York Post, everywhere. 0.98

00:34:24.000 And it got to the point where some employees claimed they saw Steven Crowder's balls. 0.98

00:34:29.000 And my answer was, which time? 0.98

00:34:30.000 I mean, you've seen the wardrobe we have.

00:34:33.000 I mean, of course, they went, no, no, but you just lean into it.

00:34:36.000 You go, well, if you're talking about doing a parody sketch of Terminator, but he's a crackhead in an alley and he lands naked, like, are you talking about nudity?

00:34:42.000 Are you talking about?

00:34:43.000 And then what happened is because we were making some big business moves, and we have NDAs here.

00:34:49.000 Same thing, anyone who comes in here, because we address the privacy.

00:34:52.000 And then there was a hit piece about the fact that there was an NDA at the company.

00:34:55.000 And then Gerald had a meeting with employees saying, like, guys, look, you guys know we're bringing on these sponsors that we can't talk about.

00:35:01.000 That's why we have the NDA.

00:35:02.000 Then there was a hit piece that Gerald had a conversation about the NDA at the company.

00:35:07.000 Whatever happens, whether it's true or not, if you try, it's whack-a-mole, they'll just try and get more egregious with the lies, so just move on.

00:35:14.000 None of it matters.

00:35:15.000 No, it doesn't!

00:35:16.000 It's funny, I was at, um, a few months ago, I was invited to speak at Eaton, the famous British private school that has produced, I think, 24 Prime Ministers.

00:35:16.000 None of it matters.

00:35:26.000 So this is the elite of the elite.

00:35:28.000 Right.

00:35:28.000 I get an invitation to speak at Eaton, which is hugely controversial, because, you know, most of the staff didn't want me to go, but I accepted.

00:35:36.000 They were virtually fighting to get into the theatre.

00:35:39.000 Because it was the biggest turnout they've ever had for any speaker.

00:35:39.000 Yeah.

00:35:42.000 Oh, I can imagine.

00:35:43.000 And I was asked this question.

00:35:44.000 First question, boy gets up and says, Mr. Farage, would you recommend a career in public affairs and politics?

00:35:52.000 And I said, oh no.

00:35:53.000 I said, the things they write about you.

00:35:53.000 No, no, terrible.

00:35:57.000 I said, for years, they've written that I'm a big drinker.

00:36:01.000 They've written that I'm a big smoker.

00:36:03.000 They've written that I'm a big womaniser. 0.50

00:36:05.000 They've written that I'm a big gambler.

00:36:07.000 And the trouble is, lads, it was all true!

00:36:09.000 Yes, I knew it!

00:36:11.000 And of course, it brought... they were all cheering!

00:36:14.000 And I could see the headmaster thinking, we really shouldn't have invited him.

00:36:16.000 No, no, no.

00:36:17.000 No, I think, I mean, the truth of it is, the next headpiece will be Nigel Farage sober!

00:36:24.000 Oh, that would destroy me.

00:36:25.000 No, you know, we've just got to accept.

00:36:28.000 I mean, the point is, we don't mind the rough and tumble of debate, right?

00:36:32.000 You know, I couldn't give a damn what the Guardian write about me.

00:36:35.000 It doesn't matter.

00:36:36.000 You know, it doesn't, provided I'm not criminal, or haven't physically hurt anybody, it doesn't matter.

00:36:43.000 What does matter is the more sinister side, like the debanking.

00:36:47.000 The more sinister side of people being closed out.

00:36:50.000 And worse still, they'll do this to your family as well.

00:36:53.000 Yes.

00:36:53.000 Yeah, they will.

00:36:54.000 And that's the really nasty side of this.

00:36:56.000 And my worry is this.

00:36:59.000 Every single year, our universities are pumping out a new cohort of people who have been completely

00:37:08.000 indoctrinated and not educated properly.

00:37:11.000 Education is about critical thinking.

00:37:13.000 It's at the heart of what being educated is.

00:37:17.000 That you say, well, here are two solutions to a problem.

00:37:20.000 They're both equally viable.

00:37:22.000 You decide yourself which side of the line you go on those.

00:37:25.000 And that's certainly how I was taught.

00:37:28.000 Now they're being told, this solution is virtuous and this solution is evil.

00:37:33.000 Right.

00:37:34.000 And what's happening is, you take the sort of 25 to 35 year old cohort working in all of our corporate companies, working in our public sector, and they're all of the same mind.

00:37:45.000 And if we don't get education right, we will lose the freedoms and values that you and I enjoy and share.

00:37:50.000 Well, you're absolutely right.

00:37:51.000 I mean, my education came from my father, because when you say you were taught how to think or how to think critically, my dad really instilled in me the Socratic method.

00:37:59.000 It was one thing that I knew before I even went into junior high, but I will tell you that in high school in Canada, and in college in Canada, That never came up.

00:38:07.000 It never came up.

00:38:08.000 They were telling me exactly how to think.

00:38:10.000 So for me, I had to juxtapose that with what I learned at home.

00:38:13.000 Yeah.

00:38:14.000 And that's where that critical thought came from.

00:38:15.000 That's where Change My Mind came from.

00:38:17.000 And I can tell you that generationally, yeah, it is scary.

00:38:19.000 They don't see virtue in simply having a discussion with the other side.

00:38:23.000 Or frankly, even if it's an angry debate, I don't care.

00:38:25.000 At least the conversation is taking place.

00:38:26.000 It's terrifying.

00:38:27.000 I mean, you know, in a few weeks' time, I'll be going to Normandy.

00:38:32.000 It'll be the 80th anniversary of D-Day.

00:38:34.000 Right.

00:38:34.000 Right?

00:38:35.000 Two American beaches, two British beaches, one Canadian beach.

00:38:40.000 I don't know how familiar you are with Juno Beach, but you guys had Sword and Gold?

00:38:44.000 Yeah, we had Juno Beach, so I watched Saving Private Ryan, and then in Canada, we watched in history class, they showed us actual footage from the boats in Juno Beach, and I watched it, you know, there's a bunch of fog, and the Canadians walk all the way up the beach, into the fog, and not a round is fired.

00:38:44.000 Yeah, we did.

00:38:58.000 I'm like, this isn't like the film at all!

00:39:00.000 Turns out Juno wasn't as chaotic.

00:39:01.000 No, they, well, Omaha, they were unlucky.

00:39:04.000 The Americans, the 29th Division in particular, were very unlucky because that particular group Had been on the Eastern Front.

00:39:10.000 These were very, very battle-hardened German soldiers.

00:39:13.000 Right.

00:39:14.000 And that's what the Americans came up against on Omaha.

00:39:16.000 And they fought to the last round.

00:39:18.000 So it depended where you were.

00:39:20.000 But the point I was going to make was, you know, I'm going to be there for that because it'll be the last ever gathering.

00:39:26.000 Significant gathering of veterans.

00:39:28.000 You know, 80 years on, the numbers are thinning out a little bit, to put it mildly.

00:39:33.000 But we did all those things so that we could disagree with each other.

00:39:39.000 We did all these things to live in freedom, which means I may not agree with you, but I absolutely support your right to hold your opinion.

00:39:48.000 That's what's under threat.

00:39:49.000 I would ask you to do me a favor, actually, when you go, if you could film this or have a conversation, because I would love to do this with these veterans from World War II, and see what's going on right now, especially people from Europe who are closer to it, see what's going on on campuses with Hamas and Palestine, and when they use the term othering, but actual othering from the river to the sea, and I'd love to ask them, hey, is this what it was like at the start when you talk about Nazi Germany and vilifying a group of people?

00:40:13.000 Because it's the last time, we may be able to ask them, are we veering into that again?

00:40:17.000 Well I think, I mean I have to say, I think the scenes at Columbia, over the last few days, looks like 1936 Germany.

00:40:24.000 Yeah.

00:40:24.000 I mean what else can it be?

00:40:27.000 Yeah.

00:40:28.000 It's like a madness.

00:40:29.000 Right.

00:40:31.000 And it's mostly middle class white kids.

00:40:33.000 Yes.

00:40:34.000 Called Jocasta and They've all got rich daddies.

00:40:37.000 I mean, it's quite extraordinary. 0.98

00:40:39.000 Angry lesbians, but we repeat ourselves. 1.00

00:40:42.000 Well, don't even start me on gender. 0.96

00:40:46.000 It's just extraordinary.

00:40:47.000 It really is, but I would love to, I mean, pick the brain of those veterans and say, is this something, do you feel like you've been here before?

00:40:54.000 If they're lucid enough, because a lot of them would give us... Yeah, that would be very interesting.

00:40:57.000 That'd be very interesting.

00:40:59.000 It is a scary time in history, but like you say, you want to be a happy warrior still.

00:41:02.000 We've got to be.

00:41:03.000 If you're not optimistic...

00:41:06.000 What's the point of any of it?

00:41:07.000 I mean, you think about it.

00:41:09.000 I mean, you know, during the Blitz, when London gets bombed 60 nights in a row, what does Churchill talk about?

00:41:09.000 We talk about the war.

00:41:15.000 Right.

00:41:16.000 He says, we'll get through this.

00:41:17.000 Right.

00:41:18.000 And move on to the sunlit uplands.

00:41:20.000 Yeah.

00:41:21.000 Even at the most dangerous moment, you know, the country's being pulverised.

00:41:27.000 Nazi Germany's got control of the whole of Europe.

00:41:29.000 Yeah.

00:41:30.000 America's not yet in the war.

00:41:31.000 You know, it looks like we're going to lose.

00:41:33.000 Yeah.

00:41:34.000 Even in that moment, he managed to find that optimistic vision.

00:41:38.000 So we have to be like that.

00:41:39.000 Churchill, to me, is everything great about Europe and everything awful about Europe to an American.

00:41:44.000 Because Churchill, you know, they reached out and they needed Churchill at that point.

00:41:46.000 He was sort of someone who was ostracized.

00:41:48.000 He was gone.

00:41:49.000 Oh, and he was old.

00:41:49.000 He was basically an exile.

00:41:51.000 Yes, and he was old.

00:41:52.000 But he really did, he brought a nation to its feet again, you know.

00:41:57.000 And then two years later, he's out because the Europeans couldn't help themselves but say, yeah, he's not for socialized healthcare.

00:42:02.000 And Americans don't know that part.

00:42:03.000 No, no.

00:42:04.000 Two years later, let's put him back on the shelf.

00:42:06.000 Yeah, the fact that he was voted out.

00:42:09.000 But in a sense, that shows that democracy works.

00:42:12.000 Nah, I don't know.

00:42:12.000 That's not what I'm getting.

00:42:15.000 I think it shows a lack of gratitude.

00:42:16.000 Oh, no gratitude at all.

00:42:18.000 Americans never know that.

00:42:19.000 I say, hey, how long do you think Churchill was in office after World War II?

00:42:23.000 I go, why do you think he was booed?

00:42:23.000 I don't know.

00:42:25.000 Because he did come back.

00:42:27.000 He did come back in the 50s.

00:42:28.000 He did a spell.

00:42:29.000 In fact, his 80th birthday, he was still Prime Minister.

00:42:33.000 Now, he probably shouldn't have been.

00:42:34.000 Although he was still more competent than Joe Biden is today, I have to say.

00:42:37.000 Well, that's good.

00:42:38.000 Not hard.

00:42:39.000 Doesn't have a tough act to follow.

00:42:40.000 Not hard.

00:42:41.000 But no, that basic, you know, we fought for the right to live in democratic societies.

00:42:47.000 And in democratic societies, you listen to the other person's point of view.

00:42:50.000 You respect the other person as a human being having that point of view.

00:42:54.000 And I push that line a lot.

00:42:56.000 Yeah.

00:42:57.000 I might tease my opponents.

00:42:59.000 Right.

00:43:00.000 Rightfully so.

00:43:00.000 And I do.

00:43:01.000 But I don't want them cancelled.

00:43:04.000 No, no, absolutely not.

00:43:05.000 Just to me, it's like with Churchill voting him out so soon, it's like reading an Aesop fable and just skipping the last page.

00:43:12.000 It's like, you guys didn't learn the lesson.

00:43:13.000 You need him in case this happens again.

00:43:15.000 Thank God it didn't.

00:43:17.000 And a lot of Americans just don't really know.

00:43:19.000 They've seen The Finest Hour.

00:43:20.000 Or was it The Finest Hour?

00:43:21.000 Yeah, The Finest Hour.

00:43:22.000 Yes, Finest Hour, that's right.

00:43:23.000 The other one was, I don't know, The Boats.

00:43:26.000 Darkest Hour was the other one with Chris Pine.

00:43:27.000 But they've seen that film, they don't really know the full story of Churchill and really what he went through.

00:43:31.000 And boy, everyone wants a Churchill when push comes to shove.

00:43:35.000 And then in peacetime, you're like a broken toy.

00:43:37.000 And what a career.

00:43:38.000 When you look at it, what a career.

00:43:40.000 I mean, you know, First World War, First Lord of the Admiralty.

00:43:43.000 You know, the Dardanelles expedition, Gallipoli fails, he resigns, he goes and fights in the frontline trenches.

00:43:49.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:43:50.000 Almost wanting to be killed. 0.63

00:43:51.000 Yeah.

00:43:52.000 And funny stories, you know, his mom tried to get him quitting cigars, where she said, if you don't smoke cigars for two months, I'll give you, I don't remember how much money it was.

00:43:59.000 And he took it and then bought himself a case of cigars immediately.

00:44:03.000 And his lifestyle, I mean, his lifestyle is extraordinary.

00:44:06.000 He writes a letter.

00:44:08.000 To his wife, Clemmie, from the trenches.

00:44:10.000 He says, my darling, we must be very rich.

00:44:12.000 I'm drinking champagne all the time.

00:44:16.000 You know what?

00:44:17.000 He'd be cancelled today if people knew he's... Everyone's flawed.

00:44:19.000 A lot of these leaders, we look back and people don't realize, like, people... Deeply flawed.

00:44:22.000 Of course.

00:44:24.000 But how can you be a great leader if you're not?

00:44:25.000 You think a guy who's seen what he has seen?

00:44:27.000 And today, it's just funny to me for people who, the left, who claim to be so compassionate, there's no grace.

00:44:32.000 And as a Christian, that's so important to me, is there's no grace where, hey, you can't judge someone from one moment in time.

00:44:39.000 I'll give you an example.

00:44:40.000 And I won't say the name because I don't even want to draw attention to it, but there was a prominent conservative and someone tried to make it a scandal that he was sexting somebody, okay?

00:44:47.000 It was a consensual relationship with a woman who was sexting him as well.

00:44:51.000 As far as I'm concerned, it's just gross.

00:44:51.000 Alright?

00:44:52.000 I skip it.

00:44:53.000 But I saw comments saying, oh, men, do they ever ask women about their hopes and dreams in their favorite books?

00:44:53.000 I don't read it.

00:44:59.000 I'm going, so you think that two people can't have animalistic sex, who love each other, and then also afterwards go out on a nice date? 0.92

00:44:59.000 This is gross. 0.92

00:45:07.000 You're judging someone on that snippet in time?

00:45:09.000 I don't want to be that kind of a society.

00:45:11.000 And that was a scandal.

00:45:13.000 This is not Me Too.

00:45:14.000 This is a consensual relationship where someone stole private texts and everything is, let's

00:45:19.000 see where we can catch somebody.

00:45:20.000 Let's see where we can catch somebody.

00:45:21.000 And I got it.

00:45:22.000 And it does concern me, even though I know you're a happy warrior, they just get worse

00:45:25.000 and they get worse.

00:45:26.000 They are getting worse.

00:45:27.000 Now, that is true.

00:45:28.000 They are getting worse.

00:45:29.000 But, you know, also, I do believe the pendulum swing back and forth.

00:45:33.000 Yes.

00:45:34.000 And I think all through history we see that.

00:45:36.000 I mean, look at my country.

00:45:38.000 We had our civil war before everybody else.

00:45:41.000 You know, 1642 onwards we have the English Civil War, the King thinks he has a divine right to govern from God and doesn't need to take account of what Parliament says.

00:45:51.000 Parliament fights him, beat him in the war, cut his head off.

00:45:56.000 So we now become a republic, a new enlightened republic, under a man called Oliver Cromwell, who calls himself the Lord Protector.

00:46:02.000 Might as well have called himself King!

00:46:05.000 Right.

00:46:05.000 And he introduces a Puritan regime, and by 1658, You can be put in prison for having Christmas decorations

00:46:13.000 up in your house.

00:46:14.000 All public music is illegal. All dancing in public is illegal.

00:46:19.000 By 1680, we've had the restoration.

00:46:23.000 And we've got the artist Hogarth painting a picture of Gin Lane, where everyone's drunk.

00:46:31.000 We always refer to it as Gin Alley.

00:46:31.000 Gin Lane?

00:46:33.000 Gin Lane is the name of the piece.

00:46:36.000 So, there you are.

00:46:37.000 In 20 years, the social pendulum swung from one complete extreme to the other.

00:46:42.000 And I think a lot of this debate we're having today on trans issues, etc, the pendulum will swing back.

00:46:48.000 I do think with that one.

00:46:49.000 It will.

00:46:50.000 It will.

00:46:50.000 It's too far.

00:46:51.000 It started with like, hey, two guys want to get married and visit each other in the hospital and have a deed to their property, sure.

00:46:56.000 Now it's like, yeah, and six-year-old kids can transition and compete with women. 1.00

00:46:59.000 You're like, what?

00:47:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.98

00:47:01.000 And it's s***. 0.98

00:47:02.000 Yeah, it really is s***. 0.98

00:47:03.000 No, it's s***, it's wrong. 0.95

00:47:04.000 It's absolutely s***, and unfortunately, Big Tech, they want to assume the conversation is over, 0.97

00:47:08.000 whether it's YouTube, TikTok, they just say, no, no, you can't, you can't say that this is s***. 0.98

00:47:13.000 Literally, the word's s***.

00:47:14.000 I'm talking about- We're gonna have to hit the YouTube dump button right there.

00:47:16.000 ["Sweet Child O' Mine"]

00:47:19.000 Yeah, I mean, I had, there was one, there was a bloke who'd become a woman,

00:47:26.000 and I thought it was a perfectly reasonable human being, stood as a candidate for UKIP, got elected.

00:47:32.000 Let people be people, but don't tell kids that this is somehow a normal life.

00:47:37.000 Also provide context because I don't want people saying, Nigel Farage says I had **** Yeah.

00:47:44.000 You get a conversation with him.

00:47:45.000 They'll take anything.

00:47:46.000 They'll try and take it in.

00:47:47.000 Speaking of the pendulum swinging, you have a couple of people now, and this is why I

00:47:50.000 always want to, I know that you can't go out and toot your own horn.

00:47:54.000 You're one of the OGs.

00:47:55.000 You've always been this guy.

00:47:57.000 You've been remarkably consistent.

00:47:58.000 And not to say that people can't have their Damascus, Road to Damascus moment, but now

00:48:01.000 you have Piers Morgan and you have Russell Brand, people with whom I'm friendly, but

00:48:06.000 it's very different.

00:48:08.000 Russell Brand is different, seems to be a transition where he's actually taking a stand.

00:48:13.000 Piers Morgan, I'm not entirely sure.

00:48:16.000 I enjoy my time with him.

00:48:18.000 And you've had run-ins with both, right?

00:48:18.000 What do you see there?

00:48:20.000 Oh, gosh.

00:48:21.000 So, Russell Brand.

00:48:23.000 Russell Brand was so abusive about me.

00:48:28.000 Publicly.

00:48:29.000 Repeatedly.

00:48:31.000 And it led to a big head-to-head on BBC television.

00:48:35.000 And it was really interesting, actually.

00:48:38.000 I think I really upset him because I wrote an article about it shortly afterwards where I said, before going on set, Russell Brand's two personal make-up artists were busy combing his chest hair.

00:48:48.000 Which they were!

00:48:52.000 So, yeah, we had this sort of, almost like, hate.

00:48:56.000 And I was broadcasting, I was radio broadcasting one day, and he sort of came down the corridor trying to break into the studio, I mean, like, with crazed eyes.

00:49:05.000 Would you believe?

00:49:07.000 I know his dad, Ron.

00:49:08.000 I've met Ron many times over the years.

00:49:10.000 Very down-to-earth, straightforward bloke.

00:49:13.000 And Ron gets in touch with me about two months ago and says, would you have a chat with Russell?

00:49:19.000 I said, what do you want?

00:49:22.000 I mean, after all the things he said about me.

00:49:26.000 He said mushrooms, but that's not important.

00:49:29.000 I said, you know what?

00:49:30.000 If he wants to talk to me, of course I'll talk to him.

00:49:33.000 I had a 40-minute FaceTime conversation with Russell.

00:49:36.000 He looked me in the eye.

00:49:40.000 He said, I genuinely want to apologize for all the very personal comments I made about you.

00:49:45.000 They were completely unnecessary and wrong.

00:49:49.000 He said I might have disagreed with you at the time, but I'm viewing the world in a very different way now.

00:49:53.000 And I said, Russell, I 100% accept that, and I thank you for being a man.

00:49:57.000 Because one of the hardest things in life...

00:49:59.000 Is to actually admit you've been wrong.

00:50:01.000 Right.

00:50:01.000 Yeah.

00:50:02.000 It's one of the toughest... It'd be very difficult for me if it ever happened, but... Well, of course.

00:50:08.000 Of course.

00:50:09.000 I was wrong once, a long time ago.

00:50:10.000 Yeah, I know.

00:50:11.000 Just wipe it out.

00:50:11.000 1984, I think it was.

00:50:13.000 Yeah, and so, good for him.

00:50:16.000 He's made up.

00:50:17.000 Piers, different kettle of fish.

00:50:19.000 Different kettle of fish.

00:50:22.000 So, here's his TV show.

00:50:24.000 So, my TV show on GB News was going head-to-head with his TV show on Talk TV, the Murdoch funded.

00:50:32.000 And I'm very pleased to announce the television station closed down last Friday.

00:50:38.000 He's bombed.

00:50:40.000 And the point is, you can't do opinion TV.

00:50:43.000 You can't do what you do.

00:50:46.000 If you don't have an opinion.

00:50:47.000 And that opinion has to have a degree of consistency through it.

00:50:50.000 There have to be themes that you believe in.

00:50:53.000 Pierce doesn't believe in anything.

00:50:55.000 You don't think he's... He doesn't believe in anything.

00:50:57.000 He's all about sensation.

00:50:59.000 Yeah, he kept trying to bring me on on every... He asked me about Alex Jones.

00:51:03.000 He asked me about Alex Jones, and I said, look, I agree with Alex Jones less than most people, but he's a friend of mine.

00:51:10.000 So you're not going to get me to throw him under the bus, and if you want to ask Alex Jones, ask him about it.

00:51:15.000 Yeah.

00:51:15.000 And he's been very respectful with me, but I do get the sense that maybe he's still figuring it out, whereas I do get the sense that Russell Brand has had his quite literal come to Jesus moment.

00:51:23.000 No, no, no, and I, as I say, I've made up, I've kissed and made up with Russell, and that's fine.

00:51:28.000 Piers and I are on non-speakers.

00:51:31.000 Oh, really?

00:51:31.000 And likely to remain that way for some time.

00:51:34.000 You want me to facilitate that?

00:51:35.000 No, it's fine, I'm happy, I'm happy, thank you.

00:51:36.000 Well, you know, I'm gonna conference call you one time.

00:51:39.000 Nigel, it's Piers.

00:51:41.000 No, I don't, I get it.

00:51:44.000 What upset him was that the first show that he did on Talk TV was an interview at Mar-a-Lago with Donald Trump.

00:51:55.000 I had been to Mar-a-Lago the week before to have a chat with Donald, which I enjoy doing, and I think he enjoys me coming there because I never ever say a word.

00:52:06.000 No, I can't.

00:52:07.000 I never say a word.

00:52:08.000 You're a great listener.

00:52:09.000 Nigel, you're the best listener.

00:52:11.000 Everyone always says, I say, he listens.

00:52:13.000 I feel heard.

00:52:14.000 I don't need therapy.

00:52:17.000 I've never blabbed a word in public about what, you know, our private conversations are private conversations.

00:52:21.000 Of course.

00:52:22.000 And he's surrounded by people who always try to make a buck off the back of him.

00:52:25.000 Of course.

00:52:25.000 I've never asked for anything from Donald Trump, and I wouldn't.

00:52:27.000 I'd be a genuine friend and supporter.

00:52:29.000 Anyway, so I knew that Piers was coming to Mar-a-Lago to do the interview.

00:52:34.000 I just said to the Donald, I said, Are you aware of the things he's been saying about you recently?

00:52:41.000 He said, hey, we're friends, we're friends.

00:52:42.000 I said, OK.

00:52:43.000 So I just left two sides of A4 on his desk.

00:52:46.000 I said, it'll take you five minutes.

00:52:48.000 Yeah.

00:52:48.000 Apparently, when he read it, he blew his top.

00:52:51.000 I can imagine.

00:52:52.000 And it was Piers saying Trump's awful, Trump's dreadful, Trump's... And that's Piers all over.

00:52:57.000 Yeah. 0.63

00:52:57.000 That's Piers all... There's no sincerity there at all. 0.63

00:53:00.000 Yeah.

00:53:00.000 And so that was where the sort of blood feud began.

00:53:04.000 But all I've done is tell the truth.

00:53:06.000 Yeah.

00:53:06.000 Well it's funny because I remember him sort of seeming, veering towards populism, kind of supporting Trump and then I don't know necessarily what happened there.

00:53:13.000 And you've sometimes been labelled a populist.

00:53:16.000 Would you carry that mantle?

00:53:17.000 Would you say that?

00:53:19.000 I did say after the Brexit vote in the European Parliament when they were all scowling.

00:53:26.000 I did say it.

00:53:26.000 I said two things actually.

00:53:28.000 Number one, I said, when I came here 17 years ago, I said I would lead a campaign to take the United Kingdom out of the European Union.

00:53:36.000 And you all laughed at me.

00:53:37.000 Well, I said, you're not laughing now.

00:53:40.000 That was good.

00:53:42.000 But I also said, isn't it funny?

00:53:44.000 Populism is becoming very popular.

00:53:45.000 Yes.

00:53:46.000 I have got no problem with the term populism at all.

00:53:49.000 They try and use it as a pejorative term.

00:53:51.000 I've got no problem with it at all.

00:53:52.000 And what populism actually shows you Is the imbalance that exists between our capital cities and the rest of our countries.

00:54:00.000 And you see this phenomenon, you can go to Ireland and see the same thing.

00:54:04.000 You can go to the Beltway here and see the same thing.

00:54:08.000 So I've got no trouble with being called a populist at all.

00:54:11.000 It has to be principled populism.

00:54:12.000 Otherwise you end up with... I mean, historically things like the French Revolution, which has a lot of good and a lot of bad. 0.59

00:54:19.000 I think more bad than good overall.

00:54:21.000 Yes.

00:54:22.000 And how funny.

00:54:23.000 They get rid of a king and Napoleon then becomes the emperor.

00:54:26.000 I know.

00:54:27.000 It's all the same game.

00:54:28.000 We look at this with Europe too.

00:54:29.000 I always tell them, I say, you know what, the United States is still today the world's longest standing democratic republic.

00:54:34.000 So what do you mean?

00:54:34.000 I go, because you guys have so fundamentally shifted so many times across the pond.

00:54:39.000 Where we have, we kind of created one constitution, some amendments, but we've stuck with it.

00:54:42.000 I think that your founding fathers were visionaries.

00:54:45.000 They were.

00:54:45.000 Absolute visionaries.

00:54:47.000 They took Much of the best of the British system and improved upon it.

00:54:52.000 The only thing I would say is I don't think much of your judicial system anymore.

00:54:58.000 That makes sense.

00:54:59.000 It doesn't work.

00:55:00.000 Yeah, I get it.

00:55:01.000 It just doesn't work.

00:55:02.000 I mean, the whole innocent until proven guilty thing, that's good.

00:55:03.000 I like that.

00:55:05.000 We don't wear the funny outfits like you guys.

00:55:07.000 No, which is a shame.

00:55:10.000 We like dressing up.

00:55:12.000 English are very well known for it.

00:55:16.000 That's a joke too.

00:55:19.000 No, the politicization.

00:55:22.000 Yes.

00:55:23.000 Of the judiciary here is wrong, it's bad, it's not working, and a lot of what Trump's been put through at the moment is just monstrous.

00:55:31.000 Sure. 0.77

00:55:31.000 And I think the one, and I would never say it's a good thing that that's happened, but the one thing that has come of it is people realize that it's not just, people tried to see it through, oh, you don't get a fair shake if you're black in America. 0.77

00:55:42.000 It's not race, it's not necessarily even class or wealth, it really is about your political target.

00:55:48.000 And that can happen to anyone, rich, poor.

00:55:50.000 Yeah.

00:55:51.000 It's wrong.

00:55:51.000 And yet I don't hear anyone talking about reform.

00:55:53.000 You know, I talk to attorney generals, I talk to people like this and say, come on, isn't it time this system was shaken up and changed?

00:56:01.000 And it's so typical of human beings.

00:56:03.000 They just, they just accept where they are.

00:56:05.000 Right.

00:56:06.000 It needs to change.

00:56:07.000 Yeah, it doesn't need to change the way that former Vice President Joe Biden says, and just pack the court and add some seats, because then it just becomes an arms race of, I'm going to add seats, and I'm going to add seats, and I'm going to add seats.

00:56:14.000 Which hasn't happened.

00:56:15.000 No.

00:56:16.000 You know, it hasn't happened.

00:56:18.000 No, it hasn't happened.

00:56:19.000 Who's going to win the election?

00:56:21.000 Donald Trump.

00:56:22.000 You think so?

00:56:23.000 Are you confident that enough electoral reform has happened?

00:56:29.000 No, I'm not.

00:56:30.000 I'm not.

00:56:31.000 And I think it needs to be a walk-off.

00:56:33.000 I think it needs to be a landslide.

00:56:34.000 You know, we've been building infrastructure.

00:56:35.000 We did a telethon for it, so we will actually have boots on the ground in every major swing city, state.

00:56:40.000 We'll actually be able to collect real-time data along with the news wires where they call states with decision desks.

00:56:45.000 We're going to have an election integrity map where people can upload incidents and we'll be able to verify them so you can see it in real time.

00:56:52.000 Because we had, you know, these huge election streams.

00:56:54.000 I mean, the first in 2020, It was, I think, 17 million people.

00:57:00.000 And then we were suspended from YouTube for the midterm, surprise, the week of.

00:57:03.000 And so many people went and watched on Rumble, and it was still a few million people who tuned in.

00:57:06.000 And the one thing that we have that other people don't is, the left tries to gaslight you, that term is overused, but they say, no, no, no, no, a pipe didn't burst in Atlanta.

00:57:15.000 But people who watch with us can say, I remember when the news report came in and the entire Mug Club team said, well, the news we're getting is a pipe burst.

00:57:23.000 I remember what happened when they were bringing in red wagons of ballots of votes in Detroit and we were covering it live.

00:57:29.000 So YouTube couldn't remove us afterwards saying it was a conspiracy theory because we were covering it as it was happening.

00:57:35.000 The major issue, and I hope that everyone else does this, we do what we can, is for example, I remember Arizona being called with 1% of the vote in.

00:57:43.000 Unbelievable.

00:57:44.000 Yeah.

00:57:45.000 And we were the only people who said like, I said, no, no, we're not going to put that on the board.

00:57:48.000 But I couldn't verify why at that point.

00:57:51.000 And so now we've tried to put some fail safes in place where we'll be able to, where hopefully they'll, they'll be following our lead as far as accuracy, because we were still relying on traditional media because of their money.

00:58:00.000 I'm fascinated by that.

00:58:01.000 And I will come and join you and see, and see what you do.

00:58:04.000 I don't think there's been enough, but I think that there are more eyeballs on it, so it will be tougher to do.

00:58:11.000 Do you think it's still too insurmountable of a problem?

00:58:15.000 No, I don't think it's insurmountable.

00:58:18.000 But I don't think Trump, you know, if it's... If it's close.

00:58:22.000 If it's really close, I worry like crazy.

00:58:24.000 Yeah.

00:58:25.000 He's got to wing those twin states by three, four, five percent to be confident.

00:58:29.000 Yeah.

00:58:29.000 Is what I would say.

00:58:30.000 And I've seen this corruption of politics.

00:58:33.000 Sure.

00:58:33.000 Tony Blair introduced postal voting, you know, mass postal voting.

00:58:38.000 Guess which community are all signed up?

00:58:39.000 I can imagine.

00:58:40.000 The ones that don't speak English.

00:58:41.000 Right.

00:58:41.000 All signed up.

00:58:42.000 Of course.

00:58:43.000 It's all in the bag.

00:58:44.000 So I've seen that.

00:58:44.000 The people that have got it right And it's surprising I'm going to say this to you now, because generally the French get nothing right.

00:58:51.000 True.

00:58:51.000 But they get elections right.

00:58:53.000 Yeah.

00:58:53.000 So you want to have an early vote or a proxy, you've got to give a good written reason.

00:58:58.000 You know, I'm in the army, I'm working out of the country, or I'm 97 in a wheelchair.

00:59:03.000 And so about two and a half percent of the overall vote will come in before the day.

00:59:06.000 That's it.

00:59:08.000 It's about what it should be.

00:59:09.000 You have to turn up.

00:59:11.000 You have to show ID.

00:59:13.000 The ballot papers are emptied onto a table with observers standing round the table.

00:59:18.000 They're counted into bundles of 100 and elastic bands put round them.

00:59:22.000 They're stacked up.

00:59:24.000 They get the result a few hours after the polls close.

00:59:27.000 Right.

00:59:27.000 There's never any dispute whatsoever.

00:59:29.000 You don't need counting machines.

00:59:30.000 You don't need all of these things.

00:59:32.000 Yeah.

00:59:33.000 And I, again, I just, I sometimes despair a bit at the Republican Party.

00:59:37.000 That is my biggest problem, too.

00:59:39.000 So, for example, we, after the last election, we did find votes.

00:59:43.000 You can't prove everything.

00:59:44.000 Now, I will say, do I think the ghost of Chavez was rigging Dominion voting machines?

00:59:47.000 No.

00:59:48.000 But we could verify quite a few things, especially in districts like I knew in Michigan.

00:59:53.000 That doesn't make sense, this doesn't add up, going through voter rolls.

00:59:56.000 But we also found many, many addresses where votes came in, and we sent reporters there.

01:00:00.000 And they didn't exist.

01:00:01.000 For example, one was a manhole cover.

01:00:03.000 One was an empty park.

01:00:04.000 And then one was an address of someone where this person had never lived.

01:00:08.000 And we called the, uh, the county, uh, registrar and they said, oh, sorry, that was North Bellevue or whatever.

01:00:15.000 It was South Bellevue.

01:00:16.000 We said, well, it's interesting that you say that because we went to South Bellevue too.

01:00:18.000 They've never lived there either.

01:00:20.000 And this specific county in Nevada, they weren't allowed to change voter rolls any other time during the, it was supposed to be Wednesday at, I believe it was 5 PM or at midnight.

01:00:29.000 But when our story came out, we had someone right there saying, this is the place where this person voted that doesn't exist.

01:00:35.000 They changed it, I believe on a Monday or Tuesday at 2 AM.

01:00:38.000 And we went to them the second time, and I spoke with the county registrar, I believe was the term.

01:00:43.000 He said, yeah, well, even if all you're saying is true, I said, I will swear under oath it's true.

01:00:48.000 He said, there's nothing we can do now.

01:00:50.000 And we were suspended for that video on YouTube, right?

01:00:52.000 It was a heart strike.

01:00:53.000 And my problem was with Republicans and conservatives saying, well, look, what's it worth to us if you get removed from YouTube?

01:01:00.000 Then you can't reach anybody.

01:01:01.000 I said, yeah, but there's no value in reaching people if you can't speak the truth.

01:01:04.000 Like, we've done our due diligence here.

01:01:06.000 And I'm a comic.

01:01:08.000 So I have a much greater problem with people putting on our team jersey who don't actually go into the fray.

01:01:12.000 Yeah, and I warned them about this.

01:01:15.000 I warned them about this.

01:01:17.000 On the 4th of August 2020, I went on one of the regular daily podcast shows, with Bannon actually, and he said, come on Nigel, you predicted it all in 2016, you're the form horse, who's going to win the election?

01:01:32.000 I said, I can see what's happening here.

01:01:34.000 I said, on the day of the vote, Donald Trump will win.

01:01:36.000 By day four, he'll have lost.

01:01:37.000 I could see it.

01:01:38.000 I could see it!

01:01:40.000 But nobody in the Republican Party did anything about it.

01:01:44.000 No one fought it.

01:01:45.000 Yeah.

01:01:46.000 All under the cover of COVID, wasn't it?

01:01:48.000 Yeah.

01:01:48.000 Disgrace.

01:01:49.000 It really was.

01:01:50.000 And actually, I just realized we're going, but I want to go to Mug Club really quickly where we can actually talk a little bit more without worrying of the, well, YouTube censors us anyway, but the website is Enforage?

01:01:59.000 Enforage.com.

01:02:00.000 Dot com.

01:02:01.000 And I know you can't make your new major announcements here today, but people should be following you and stay tuned.

01:02:05.000 I'm hoping Well, I've got a big decision to make, you know.

01:02:09.000 I mean, life's pretty good for me at the moment.

01:02:10.000 I'm enjoying being a broadcaster.

01:02:12.000 I won broadcaster of the year last year in the UK, which is pretty amazing.

01:02:16.000 Good for you.

01:02:17.000 Because it was a public vote.

01:02:19.000 Oh, you'd have loved it.

01:02:21.000 Big grand dinner in the Grosvenor Hotel.

01:02:23.000 A couple of thousand people there.

01:02:26.000 And when it's read out that Nigel Farage has won news presenter of the year, booze in the room.

01:02:30.000 I can imagine.

01:02:31.000 Booze in the room! 1.00

01:02:32.000 So I thought, do you know what I'm going to do?

01:02:33.000 I'm going to ruin your evening.

01:02:37.000 I want to do that with the Emmys.

01:02:38.000 I had so much fun.

01:02:40.000 I can imagine.

01:02:40.000 I said, you're all going to lose your jobs.

01:02:42.000 I had enormous fun with it.

01:02:43.000 Yeah.

01:02:44.000 Life's good.

01:02:45.000 Alright.

01:02:46.000 You know, when you're in politics, and people laugh at this, but there's no money in politics.

01:02:54.000 No money.

01:02:55.000 If you're straight.

01:02:56.000 If you're corrupt, there's probably a lot of good money.

01:02:59.000 But there's no money in politics.

01:03:01.000 I've had four kids to bring up, dependents, etc.

01:03:04.000 So for the first time in 30 years, I'm earning good money, I'm enjoying life, I don't have quite the same level of vitriol.

01:03:13.000 But maybe there's an historic opportunity in British politics.

01:03:17.000 And maybe If anyone can re-galvanize the forces of conservatism into something that is coherent, consistent, bold, but ambitious in terms of the vision, then maybe I'm that soldier.

01:03:34.000 Well, so I've got a big decision to make.

01:03:36.000 I would add one more to that, is I think that in the post-Covid world, people are absolutely craving authenticity, and that's why hopefully I've driven home that people should look at your track record.

01:03:45.000 If they're looking for someone authentic, Win, lose, or draw.

01:03:48.000 Take it or leave it.

01:03:49.000 It's pretty hard to argue with someone like you, and I think that's an important quality because it is in rare supply.

01:03:55.000 So we're going to continue on Mug Club here a little bit more.

Louder with Crowder - June 05, 2024

"I Hate Big Government" | Ash Wednesday with Nigel Farage

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