Louder with Crowder - October 04, 2024


Is Steven Crowder’s Build the Wall Billboard Hate Speech? | Whistleblower 52 Investigates!

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Cuban immigration politics
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Steven Crowder
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Sam Harris Donald Trump Maduro Castro Bezos Lucy Marx
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On this episode of Whistleblower 52, we talk about hate in the city of San Antonio, TX, and why it should be taken down. We also talk about immigration and the upcoming election, and how we can all work together to fix it.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, this is Whistleblower 52 for Open Minds of America, talking with marginalized communities on why hate
00:00:07.000 has no place in Texas, or America, or on Earth.
00:00:13.000 Have you seen that billboard up there?
00:00:30.000 Have you seen it? Can you believe this?
00:00:31.000 You don't think it should be taken down from the city?
00:00:34.000 They shouldn't allow this kind of hate?
00:00:36.000 We're from Newfoundland or from Canada, but we're Polish, too.
00:00:39.000 Like, they came over because of the Holocaust. 0.97
00:00:41.000 So what was worse for them? Was it the Holocaust or Newfoundland?
00:00:44.000 I think there should be a point of compromise from both sides.
00:00:47.000 No, I want the city to take it down.
00:00:49.000 Yeah, it's been there for a while, too.
00:00:52.000 It's changed my mind, so I kind of like it because it gets people talking.
00:00:56.000 Do you work here? Have you noticed that while you're here?
00:01:02.000 We're asked because a lot of people in the city are upset about it.
00:01:04.000 We're trying to get the city to take it down.
00:01:07.000 I haven't seen it. Do you think that has any place in the city here?
00:01:12.000 That kind of hate? Which one are you talking about?
00:01:16.000 No, not the Amazon.
00:01:18.000 They're great. Okay, I'm sorry. Hell yes.
00:01:23.000 Yeah, no, it's Bezos. He does a lot of good.
00:01:25.000 So, is that talking about the, like, Donald Trump type of wall?
00:01:28.000 Yeah, the border wall. He said, we should build a wall, you know, change my mind, like, have a conversation about it, but, like, I mean, people coming to the city, they're going to think it's a city of hate.
00:01:39.000 But if you ask me, I don't agree with that position, but I think that they are in the right to express their opinion.
00:01:47.000 But yeah, I find it repulsive, yes.
00:01:50.000 But you think it should be allowed to stay up?
00:01:53.000 Yes, yes, I think so.
00:01:54.000 Even though I find it repulsive.
00:01:56.000 But if it's repulsive, why do you think it should be able to stay up?
00:02:01.000 I mean, it's hate speech.
00:02:04.000 Yeah, but they're expressing their opinion.
00:02:07.000 I hope that if I express my opinion and someone else finds my opinion repulsive that I will still be able to express it.
00:02:16.000 Okay. Okay, so you're old school with that.
00:02:18.000 What do you think about, because right now, both candidates, too, like, when at first we were protesting, you know, Donald Trump always said build the wall, but now Kamala Harris says she's going to build one, too.
00:02:26.000 So what do, I mean, how do you, like, how is that allowed, you know?
00:02:31.000 Only four years ago, if you said that, people would say it was, like, hateful and it was ridiculous, but now everyone is saying it.
00:02:36.000 Yeah, no, and it's clear that immigration is now a hotter topic.
00:02:41.000 Right.
00:02:42.000 And of course, you know, given that we are about to have to go into the presidential
00:02:49.000 elections, I'm sure that they have moved to the center, that position, like the Democrats
00:02:55.000 have moved to the center just to attract some of those like independent voters.
00:02:59.000 So you think Kamala Harris is saying build the wall to move to the center?
00:03:03.000 Yes. Yes, to attract some of those voters that are not like the traditional democratic base.
00:03:10.000 Okay. That's my perception.
00:03:12.000 Okay. I didn't think of it that way.
00:03:14.000 Yeah, I guess that's kind of a...
00:03:16.000 Because now a majority of Americans support some kind of...
00:03:19.000 Like, it's changed. The numbers support some kind of...
00:03:21.000 Yeah, it's changed. It's definitely changed.
00:03:23.000 What do you think about the immigration thing with the election, then, as far as this?
00:03:27.000 Like, I'm assuming that you're...
00:03:29.000 Mexican? Lucy, you know I don't speak Mexican.
00:03:32.000 I'm not a Mexican! 0.98
00:03:34.000 I'm Colombian, but I'm a U.S. citizen.
00:03:37.000 It's close, though. Yeah, yeah. What do you think about the immigration right now in the country?
00:03:41.000 Do you think it's just something they're using to, like, they're using to turn people against each other?
00:03:46.000 No, so I think there is a problem.
00:03:48.000 I think, for example, that asylum, the asylum figure has been abused.
00:03:54.000 That's my perception.
00:03:56.000 I think that regardless of who is in the White House starting, you know, January, you know, the current asylum structure will definitely change regardless.
00:04:07.000 You mean we need to take more asylum?
00:04:09.000 We need to take more? No, I think we need to regulate it.
00:04:13.000 By bringing in more of them, like pay to bring in more?
00:04:18.000 I think there has to be ways for people to immigrate into the United States legally, but definitely not just getting to the border and saying, hey, I'm here on a political asylum let me in.
00:04:32.000 I think that figure like that is not sustainable.
00:04:35.000 Well, if we could just say, well, just make it legal for everyone to come here, then I wouldn't have a problem with it being illegal.
00:04:42.000 Well, you know, the same way when people go into your house, like you...
00:04:47.000 Hey, have you seen this billboard?
00:04:49.000 Have you seen this billboard? Have you seen that?
00:04:51.000 You think that should be allowed here in the city?
00:04:53.000 Yeah, why not? Because it's hateful.
00:04:57.000 I mean, it's saying, like, build a wall. 0.99
00:04:59.000 I think you guys need to go talk to the black people in the neighborhood.
00:05:01.000 I don't think it's hateful. They're Mexicans. What? 0.98
00:05:03.000 I think it's hateful. We should build a wall.
00:05:05.000 Should build a wall? Yeah, f*** yeah. 0.99
00:05:06.000 Well, you said it. Yeah, I'm full of the wall. 0.99
00:05:08.000 Yeah, I find the message repulsive, but I think they should be able to say it.
00:05:13.000 Freedom of speech. Yeah, freedom of speech.
00:05:14.000 That's why people want to come here. Yeah, but that's a white guy.
00:05:17.000 He's a white guy. That's racist. 0.98
00:05:19.000 Your soul. That's racist. 0.99
00:05:21.000 Your eyes. That's gay. 1.00
00:05:22.000 That's homophobic. That's black. 1.00
00:05:24.000 That's racist. That's why I'm trying to talk, like, take it to the streets with, you know, Honduran. 1.00
00:05:30.000 Colombia. Okay, so...
00:05:32.000 But if we just make every...
00:05:33.000 Like, the problem is the reason...
00:05:35.000 It's only the reason that people...
00:05:36.000 First off, people can't be illegal. 0.92
00:05:37.000 I think that's ridiculous.
00:05:39.000 But the only reason they're illegal is because we say they're illegal. 0.83
00:05:43.000 So why don't we... I mean, just everyone should be able to come.
00:05:45.000 Just let anyone in. Yeah, my point is that, you know, from a purely pragmatic perspective, that's just not going to work, right?
00:05:54.000 Because, you know, there will always be people like that guy...
00:05:56.000 That won't agree with it.
00:05:58.000 So there has to be something that most people can agree with.
00:06:03.000 That's why I don't believe that any of the extreme positions where no immigration or full immigration is going to work.
00:06:12.000 That's just not pragmatic.
00:06:14.000 You don't have votes in Congress for anything like that to pass.
00:06:17.000 So there has to be some type of compromise.
00:06:20.000 I'm just approaching this from a purely pragmatic perspective.
00:06:24.000 But I do think that it has to be, you know, I came here as an immigrant.
00:06:29.000 So you came in like at night across the...
00:06:33.000 No, that was not my case.
00:06:34.000 No, I came here as a student.
00:06:37.000 You can do it that way? Yeah.
00:06:39.000 You can come here as a student, which is what I did.
00:06:44.000 And I went through all the different processes, so I was never here illegally.
00:06:48.000 There are many people that have come into the United States illegally.
00:06:52.000 In the U.S., when you graduate from a U.S. educational institution, you get a temporary visa called an OPT, which is a temporary work permit.
00:07:02.000 Okay. And then from then on, you can go through different stages and different layers.
00:07:08.000 And then, yeah, in my case, through multiple stages.
00:07:12.000 It took me 15 years, but I became a U.S. citizen.
00:07:18.000 Oh, but some people can't do that.
00:07:21.000 So you didn't come here with a coyote?
00:07:23.000 No, no, no. That was not my case.
00:07:25.000 I never wanted to do that.
00:07:28.000 I know several people who have done it.
00:07:30.000 I don't believe that that should be the way.
00:07:32.000 Because my perception of this is, if I'm going to your house, and you invite me to your house, you're going to set the rules.
00:07:39.000 You're going to say, you can come here at 2 p.m., and you're going to go through the door.
00:07:43.000 Like, if I show up at, you know, 5 a.m.
00:07:45.000 and I'm trying to make it into your house through the window, you're going to be like, what the heck, man?
00:07:50.000 Yeah, but that's also, like, I mean, that's the problem with capitalists.
00:07:52.000 Like, I don't believe in private property.
00:07:56.000 I mean, it's an illusion.
00:07:59.000 I don't know if you've read Marx where we talk about that, where it's actually collectively...
00:08:04.000 So that's why the analogy doesn't really work for me.
00:08:07.000 I understand what you're saying, but I'm big squatter's rights.
00:08:12.000 I think everyone should be able to share everything.
00:08:14.000 What is a border, right?
00:08:16.000 I'm sure that Colombia is the same thing as America, and the wall is just... 0.95
00:08:21.000 That's like an idea. Yeah, of course.
00:08:24.000 And I'm not sure you're familiar with the situation in South America, but for example, right now, they have a dictator in Venezuela, Maduro.
00:08:34.000 He's been pretty harsh on people.
00:08:37.000 You're playing music too loud? Right to jail.
00:08:39.000 Right away. Journalists, we have a special jail for journalists.
00:08:42.000 9 million Venezuelans have actually left the country.
00:08:45.000 And many of them have ended up in Colombia.
00:08:47.000 Colombia has accepted...
00:08:49.000 But that could just be what the media wants you to believe, right?
00:08:52.000 That's just what they're showing you. You also have a big chunk of Venezuelans that have come into the United States.
00:08:56.000 That's why, like, when I moved to Texas, like, 10 years ago, like, I only, like, very occasionally found a Venezuelan.
00:09:04.000 But now you're running to Venezuelans all the time because they are coming here... 1.00
00:09:08.000 Because of all the pressure of people leaving Venezuela to come here, running away from what's happening right now in Venezuela.
00:09:17.000 Now, as fate would have it, if you believe that kind of thing, about half an hour later, the universe blessed us with some actual Venezuelans who were enriching America, their beautiful culture, and contributing to our diverse fabric.
00:09:33.000 No, I don't speak, but that's the problem, right?
00:09:34.000 It says build the wall up there.
00:09:37.000 It's racist against Espanol.
00:09:40.000 Build the wall? You think that should be allowed in the city?
00:09:42.000 Oh. Yeah, definitely. That's why I'm voting for Kamala Harris. 0.99
00:09:47.000 It's build the wall.
00:09:48.000 Mexico, it says build the wall.
00:09:51.000 That's what that poster says.
00:09:53.000 No, we want to remove El Poster.
00:10:00.000 Where are you from?
00:10:02.000 Venezuela.
00:10:04.000 Venezuela, okay.
00:10:06.000 How many years have you been in Mexico?
00:10:08.000 What did you say?
00:10:10.000 Hola, senor. I know a little bit.
00:10:15.000 One? One?
00:10:19.000 One? And do you think that everyone from Venezuela should be able to come? 0.78
00:10:25.000 No, speak English?
00:10:28.000 No. Good. You should keep it that way.
00:10:31.000 Yeah, no English.
00:10:34.000 No habla, never habla.
00:10:39.000 So Venezuelans are going to Colombia now?
00:10:41.000 What are they doing? They probably let them all in. 0.93
00:10:43.000 So at the beginning, they did.
00:10:45.000 That's what I'm saying. Yeah, see?
00:10:47.000 But then, you know, once we reached, like, two million Venezuelans, then the capacity of the country to absorb so many people, like, reached a limit.
00:10:58.000 Right? So you had, like, Venezuelans, like, sleeping on, like... 1.00
00:11:03.000 There were many Venezuelans that turned into criminal gangs just because they couldn't find a legal way to make it.
00:11:12.000 So you see that there has to be an organized way of doing things.
00:11:19.000 You know, I'm sure that you have driven around the United States.
00:11:22.000 I don't have a car.
00:11:24.000 I want to loot. Lots of empty spaces.
00:11:26.000 You know, I've always imagined that a good way to develop, like, all these, like, empty, like, rural areas, some of them, you know, run down, would be by just creating immigration in a smarter way.
00:11:42.000 For example, you can say, okay, you know, we want to develop, like, these...
00:11:48.000 More information tonight surrounding a white supremacist group and its ties to a former Montana State Army trainee.
00:11:55.000 Alleging racial discrimination against the Montana Highway Patrol.
00:11:59.000 The University of Montana professor was reported to the Title IX office for racist remarks and text conversations.
00:12:06.000 The University of Montana's African American Studies program is offering three anti-racism classes this summer.
00:12:11.000 We're going to need, you know, three pharmacists.
00:12:14.000 We're going to need, you know, ten teachers.
00:12:16.000 We're going to need, you know, two lawyers, you know, whatever.
00:12:18.000 You get the idea. And you start recruiting, let's say recruiting from, like, all the different countries, people with the specific characteristics, and you tell them, okay...
00:12:27.000 You're allowed into the country, but you're to establish a community in this area.
00:12:33.000 So they can still come to the States. 1.00
00:12:35.000 They can come and live here in a safe way.
00:12:38.000 But it sounds like you're saying they need to have certain skills or abilities to be able to...
00:12:42.000 I mean, a lot of people don't have that.
00:12:44.000 Right, but you also need, you know, bakers, you also need janitors. 0.99
00:12:50.000 So as long as you have some type of ability and you can document that this is what you do, you know, whatever that is, even if it's, you know, humble, you can still come into the States, you know, legally or into a specific region and you can just live there.
00:13:05.000 But so... That's why, you know, I always look for, like, pragmatic ways of doing things.
00:13:10.000 Okay. Because just, like, allowing, like, saying, okay, there will be no immigration rules, like, everyone can come here. 0.68
00:13:17.000 That's just going to be, like, you're going to find people like that.
00:13:20.000 It's going to be like, what the heck.
00:13:22.000 Or, you know, the other way around, saying, like, no one will come into the States.
00:13:26.000 Only, like, it is only for U.S. citizens.
00:13:28.000 that's also not going to work because we all know that this is a nation of immigrants and people need to be coming. 1.00
00:13:33.000 Even like recently, you know right now, we've seen that over the last couple
00:13:38.000 years, you know, part of the strength of the US economy has come
00:13:42.000 from the fact that you've had like these, you know, very you know, big new labor force available that are taking
00:13:50.000 many of these jobs that became kind of displaced during COVID.
00:13:55.000 They took our jobs!
00:13:57.000 They took our jobs!
00:13:59.000 They took your jobs! 0.72
00:14:00.000 They took your jobs! They took your jobs! So I do feel that there is a value and a big benefit in immigration, but it has to be done in an orderly manner, in ways in which The host, which is like, you know, the citizens of this country, will feel comfortable. And that requires some agreement, some negotiation, some compromise, but that's how I think about it.
00:14:24.000 Oh, okay. Because you're Colombian, you're talking about this one. 1.00
00:14:26.000 Why are Cubans so racist? 1.00
00:14:29.000 All my people, we love this country in June 2020!
00:14:33.000 The super Republican, you know, I have a friend who's that way.
00:14:36.000 He's like, hey, I'm not South American.
00:14:38.000 Like, I, you know...
00:14:40.000 Yes, so I would say Cubans are different because they The Cubans that you meet here, they are fleeing from the communist regime in Cuba, like the Castro regime that has been going on now for like 60 years or so.
00:15:03.000 So that's why when they come into the States, many of them, they actually hate the left because they're fleeing from that.
00:15:11.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But that's typically not what you find in other Latin American countries.
00:15:17.000 They're not fleeing like a communist dictatorship, which is what you have in Cuba.
00:15:22.000 So that's why when those Cubans come into the States, they tend to align with the Republican Party, which is kind of like the anti-left party. 0.97
00:15:31.000 Which is racist.
00:15:33.000 I wouldn't characterize it like that, but yeah, let's say they're more on the right of the political spectrum.
00:15:42.000 But definitely, people coming from other countries, they don't have the same experience.
00:15:47.000 So that's why, from a purely political perspective, you see that, say, Mexicans that come here, or any other...
00:15:56.000 You know, Latin American country, they will be more, like, they will typically tend to be more on the democratic side, but Cubans are definitely different from that perspective. 0.69
00:16:05.000 Yeah, definitely. They seem, like, really hardcore.
00:16:08.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I absolutely get it.
00:16:09.000 Oh, man. Well, I know you got work to do.
00:16:11.000 We were just asking people, what was your name?
00:16:12.000 I'm John. John? All right, thanks, John.
00:16:14.000 What's your name? My name is Skylar.
00:16:16.000 Skylar, thank you. Yeah, we were just, like, a lot of people are upset about this.
00:16:19.000 And why are you doing this? Because I think it needs to be taken down.
00:16:22.000 I don't think that, you know, we have a place for hate in the city and it upsets a lot of people.
00:16:26.000 Are you getting any traction? Honestly, like, I'm surprised how many people are okay with it who say, like, what you say.
00:16:33.000 Like, I mean, because remember, that was, that was like a big, I mean, I just feel like we've changed, we've gone so far right so quickly.
00:16:39.000 Like, when Donald Trump was first running, he said, build a wall, you know, a lot of people said that it was, you know, obviously, like, rightfully so, like, racist, but now Kamala's saying she's going to build a wall, and this is up here, and, like, not enough people seem to have a problem with it.
00:16:50.000 Do not come. Do not come.
00:16:54.000 I mean, I'm just, you know, I come from, like you said, I'm being super left, but, like, anywhere else in the world, I'd be considered normal.
00:17:00.000 You know, it's the states. We're like a right-wing here.
00:17:03.000 It's like a right-wing fascist country.
00:17:04.000 And this is just, this wouldn't be allowed in Europe.
00:17:06.000 It wouldn't be allowed. I spoke with someone from Canada because, you know, like, free speech doesn't protect hate speech.
00:17:11.000 There's no guarantee to free speech on misinformation or hate speech, and especially around our democracy.
00:17:17.000 I thought more people would be more upset about it.
00:17:19.000 I mean, I respect what you're saying because, like, I don't want to...
00:17:22.000 I don't want to white-splain to you, so I'll listen to your perspective, but when I hear white people say it, like, oh yeah, it's fine, I'm like, you know, it's upsetting, and we're trying to get it to take it down.
00:17:33.000 Yeah, and I do think it's upsetting.
00:17:36.000 I agree with you.
00:17:37.000 I find it despicable, but at the same time, I believe that people should be able to express their opinions.
00:17:43.000 Oh, I appreciate it.