Nick Sortor steps down from his role as VP of Public Policy at the Department of Justice, and we're here to talk about it. Plus, why the Trump administration is backing down on a gun control bill, and why it may not be as bad as you think it is.
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00:03:35.000And today on the show, we have Nick Sortor, who announced yesterday that Bovino might be stepping down.
00:03:42.000There's a little bit of confusion, but he actually does have some new exclusive information here today coming directly from the White House, as I understand it.
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00:03:53.000This guy's out there in the lion's den doing the Lord's work.
00:03:58.000Yeah, I think those all work together as analogies.
00:04:00.000Minnesota, I'm going to prove to you today how you can be misled.
00:04:04.000I'm going to prove to you today how easy it is to make people believe something that isn't so.
00:04:10.000And then that brings us to the conversation: is the Trump administration backing down?
00:04:15.000I will say this: there have been some missteps from the administration that doesn't change the fact that I support Ice on the Ground and Alex Prudy was not simply an innocent bystander.
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00:07:32.000weather is still awful and uh we know that many of you are probably watching live for the first time because you're this why does this button undo Guys, you saw it started off with that button done.
00:09:35.000Probably not you if you're watching because you're aware.
00:09:37.000We try and make you aware of the tricks, but it's very easy to deceive those average American right now out there in public consuming media.
00:09:45.000And by the way, that's not because anyone is stupid.
00:09:53.000There are tools of the trade that are used.
00:09:56.000And I'll just use one example to show you how clear it can be.
00:10:00.000You can be deceived to believe that an innocent party is guilty and a guilty party is innocent simply by the time codes, meaning simply by the start point of the clip and the end point of the clip, you can have an entirely inaccurate, well, just a misconception of what actually transpired.
00:10:21.000And that's what's been happening here with Renee Good, with Alex Predty.
00:12:28.000Because before you even get to the idea of AI, you'll see people go, AI, or, you know, they inserted something here, or they deliberately cut out an angle.
00:12:36.000All you need to mislead the public is that.
00:12:49.000Instead, they just show fight like hell.
00:12:51.000How about, I'm not talking about neo-Nazis or white supremacists who should be condemned totally, but outside of that, you had very fine people on both sides.
00:14:37.000And we'll go through the goalposts moving because now we're not having a discussion as to whether ICE or whether DHS, whether they have the right to deport people.
00:14:45.000It's simply, hey, wasn't this guy a bloodthirsty murderer?
00:15:59.000It certainly changes the narrative that you were fed that they were on the sidewalk and this ICE agent just assaulted a woman and he was protecting her.
00:16:06.000See, because we're not actually having the conversation about ICE and their job and what's going on in Minneapolis and Minnesota.
00:16:14.000Now we have some allegedly new footage.
00:16:16.000And you've seen the screen grab from this for a long time, which makes me wonder why wasn't this footage publicly available?
00:16:26.000So now we've gone from innocent people on the sidewalk who were assaulted by ICE.
00:16:30.000This was a knight in shining armor protecting a lady to, okay, well, maybe they were out there in the street, but you know, that's just, it's confusing.
00:17:29.000So what CNN right now, and they're showing the full one right now, they may have edited out a little bit of it there to kind of kind of loop it back through.
00:17:37.000But they are spinning this as the cop should have known better.
00:18:35.000I think it's a bad situation, but I certainly don't think it crosses the threshold of unreasonable for someone to think that their life was in danger.
00:18:43.000But the context now, what do we have that is a through line with Renee Goode and Alex Predi?
00:18:49.000Not just that they were disrespectful.
00:18:51.000Not just that they arguably committed assault against an officer.
00:18:54.000Not just that they were a clear and present danger.
00:18:57.000Not just that they were committing multiple crimes, including felonies leading up to it, but that they were doing this professionally all day.
00:19:08.000They were treating it like their job to disrupt, to disturb, to impede, to obstruct.
00:19:16.000We still don't have a single example of someone not doing that.
00:19:22.000Meaning, you don't even have an example of somebody who accidentally finds themselves in the middle of the street being accosted by us.
00:19:29.000The only people who have been shot have been people who actively, as though it's their profession, are committing crimes throughout the day.
00:19:40.000Does that help you understand a little bit?
00:20:01.000I just saw one on CNN, but this shows that the officers, one of the big things people have said is that, oh, they overreacted by shoving them.
00:20:09.000That was an overreaction by the officers.
00:21:43.000You can argue that you don't want someone to be shot, but in no world can you argue that I am anything other than the aggressor and crossing the street to blow a whistle in the ear of ICE.
00:21:56.000You do realize that members of ICE have experienced injuries as well, too.
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00:22:40.000So let's go into Minnesota before we have Nick Shorter on.
00:26:17.000Now, I don't know that this necessarily changes a story if he's sort of sickly and feeble and unattractive to semi-Chad, but it just shows that the left can't help themselves.
00:26:29.000And yes, the media and the left are one and the same.
00:26:30.000They can't help themselves when it comes to any opportunity to lie to you.
00:26:36.000Keep in mind, this is not the first time that they did this.
00:26:39.000And how often do they say, oh, it was an oversight?
00:26:41.000Or, oh, we were just polishing the picture.
00:26:56.000Hey, it's just an accident that he looks more sickly while we're saying that he's using horse paste as opposed to one of the most popular human prescriptions on earth, one of the most prescribed medications on earth.
00:27:08.000I mean, the accident in this case, we didn't do it with the ICE agent.
00:27:11.000We haven't done it with anyone on the right, but it just so happens that we have airbrushed and changed and put through a filter and potentially AI made the leftist look more attractive.
00:27:37.000This guest claimed that ICE is putting people in concentration camps and maybe eventually, I mean, you know, ovens.
00:27:47.000not going to i'm not here to defend ice but i i'm not a big fan of people using the term concentration camp to describe detention camps that's a that's a very specific meaning in terms I understand that, but they take people to Fort Snelling here, which literally was built as a concentration camp, and Alligator Alcatraz, which I think we can all agree is a concentration camp.
00:28:36.000What information do you have to substantiate that there's any risk whatsoever of the Trump administration putting people in human-sized ovens?
00:28:46.000Oh, you're just throwing it out there.
00:28:48.000And then you'll say that the right is irresponsible with their rhetoric.
00:28:51.000For example, using the legal term illegal alien.
00:30:20.000But they said, you know, Anne Frank was targeted and murdered solely because she was Jewish leaders making false equivalencies to her experience for political purposes is never acceptable, blah, blah, blah.
00:30:27.000But basically, hey, don't do that, you prick.
00:30:33.000Before we even get to the discussion that matters as to the legitimate purview of government, when the left will say, like, hey, we used to be able to have, you know, disagreements, things are so polarized.
00:30:43.000Well, sure, because we used to have disagreements over, for example, marginal tax rates or the rate at which we spend to build up our defense or maybe the most effective way to deport illegal aliens and what we do with perhaps the children who through no fault of their own find themselves in a sticky situation.
00:31:05.000The reason we can't have disagreements like the good old days is because you invoke the Holocaust and because you deliberately mislead the public with selective editing and you do it multiple times and you accuse hardworking Americans who are trying to do their job of being gestapo.
00:31:23.000Well, we can't have a discussion on immigration.
00:31:29.000We can't have a discussion as to where the line is or what's appropriate when you won't let us go into your prisons to deport illegal aliens currently in your custody who have committed additional violent crimes.
00:31:46.000I'm not going to try and find common ground with these people.
00:31:48.000I think Nick DiPaolo actually summarized it perfectly.
00:31:51.000The Democrat Party, I don't even know that they're a legitimate party at this point.
00:31:57.000It could be argued, certainly, when they are refusing to allow federal law to be enforced, that they have become an enemy of the state and they should be brought up on charges.
00:33:08.000So the folks at Amazon MGM Studio, they are giving away right now 50 free Rumble Premium subscriptions.
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00:33:26.000And I will tell you this: I'm a fan of President Trump.
00:34:34.000I mean, Christians were painting naked people for a very long time.
00:34:36.000I'm not saying that you should go out and do it, but what I'm saying is you go on Instagram, it's way worse than a professional model who is being paid for gifts that God gave them.
00:36:30.000But I will say this: we have millions of people who watch every single day.
00:36:34.000And so, what I've chosen to do is talk as though people in the administration are listening because I know quite a few are.
00:36:43.000And we are going to present what we would like to see done.
00:36:48.000So, is it backing down or is it part of the strategy?
00:36:51.000Yesterday, President Trump posted a couple of truths: one regarding Tim Walz: Governor Tim Walz called me with the request to work together with respect to Minnesota.
00:37:01.000It was a very good call, and we actually seem to be on the same wavelength.
00:37:05.000I told Governor Walls that I would have Tom Homan call him, and that we are looking for what we are looking for, sorry, our Eddie and all criminals that they have in their possession.
00:37:15.000The governor very respectfully understood that.
00:37:18.000I don't think that he did understand that because he's rejected that repeatedly.
00:37:23.000And then he ended with, He was happy that Tom Homan was going to Minnesota, and so am I.
00:37:28.000And as we hear it, they have some outdoorsy time planned.
00:38:24.000The next piece of information that trickled out yesterday, and we'll have Nick Shorter on to hopefully clarify, was that Border Patrol Chief Greg Bovino had been ousted.
00:38:37.000Gregory Bovino has been removed from his role as Border Patrol Commander at large and will return to his former job in El Centro, California, where he is expected to retire soon, according to a DHS official and two people with knowledge of the change.
00:38:51.000The communication hasn't been that great because then Press Secretary Carolyn Levitt gave kind of a lukewarm pushback saying, well, no, no, he's not really being relieved, but we still don't know what that actually is.
00:39:04.000With Homan now going to Minnesota, is Gregory Bovino also going to remain in Minnesota overseeing these ICE operations?
00:39:12.000Mr. Bovino is a wonderful man and he's a great professional.
00:39:16.000He is going to very much continue to lead customs and border patrol throughout and across the country.
00:39:21.000Mr. Holman will be the main point of contact on the ground in Minneapolis.
00:39:24.000To follow up, given what we've heard from several Trump administration officials, people like Stephen Miller, as people point out, calling him a domestic terrorist, but saying that Prenti was out to massacre law enforcement, why not require ICE agents to wear body cameras to clear up some of the disputes that we're hearing from witnesses and video footage versus what the administration has been saying.
00:39:50.000Here's what seems to be actually, and Nick Shorter is going to hopefully clarify that because he was the one who broke the story initially, as I understand it yesterday.
00:39:58.000What's happening, though, now in Minnesota?
00:40:01.000Well, you have the Democrats spinning this as a victory.
00:40:08.000There's no world in which someone says, send in Holman and I'm upset.
00:40:13.000I also understand that you cannot let the left smell blood in the water, where if they can spin it into a victory and they can make it seem like you're scared, well, then we end up with billions of dollars in damages and thousands of casualties in the summer of love and ICE agents being assaulted.
00:40:28.000So there's nothing wrong with Tom Holman.
00:40:29.000I think Tom Holman is probably best in any of these scenarios.
00:40:34.000But the Democrats spinning this, this is Walls less than two hours after the truth, where he actually, and can you guys, I believe this is from, is this from Walls or is this from the Wall Street Journal?
00:42:38.000Yeah, because that would be so out of character for the people of Minneapolis.
00:42:43.000Does this, by the way, sound like turning down the temperature?
00:42:47.000Donald Trump's modern-day Gescapo is scooping folks up off the streets.
00:42:52.000This federal occupation of Minnesota long ago stopped being a matter of immigration enforcement to stop brutality against the people of our state.
00:43:01.000They're in unmarked vans, wearing masks, being shipped off to foreign torture dungeons.
00:43:05.000The war that's being waged against Minnesota, you're seeing it.
00:43:08.000We have a ridiculous surge of apparently 2,000 people not coordinating with us that are for a show of the cameras.
00:43:15.000Help us create a database of the atrocities against Minnesotans, not just to establish a record for posterity, but to bank evidence for future prosecution.
00:43:25.000I don't think any governor in history has had to fight a war against the federal government.
00:43:29.000No chance to mount a defense, not even a chance to kiss a loved one goodbye, just grabbed up by masked agents, shoved into those vans, and disappeared.
00:43:37.000Quit referring to these people as law enforcement.
00:44:08.000Let's just assume that people believe non-law enforcement in unmarked vehicles acting as Gestapo, who are at war with Minnesota, are taking people to torture dungeons.
00:44:22.000If I believed that was taking place, I would be waging a civil war.
00:44:29.000I don't know how they can act as though their own constituents would do any different.
00:44:38.000He wrote, I spoke with President Trump today and appreciated the conversation.
00:44:42.000I expressed how much Minneapolis has benefited from our immigrant communities and was clear that my main ask is that Operation MetroSurge needs to end.
00:44:50.000The president agreed the present situation can't continue.
00:44:53.000Some federal agents will begin leaving the area tomorrow, and I will continue pushing for the rest involved in this operation to go.
00:45:00.000So you combine all that and you go, oh, okay, so the victory of Fry and Tim Walz against Gestapo in unmarked vehicles committing atrocities against Minnesotans who are waging war against the people of Minnesota, definitely not law enforcement, whisking them away to torture dungeons.
00:49:02.000You can hear the whistles, sirens, and the angry chants of protesters as a person was handcuffed on the ground outside of an ICE office in Orlando.
00:49:36.000Maybe if you do what Florida does, maybe if you do what Texas does, you could avoid the over $500 million in damages that the George Floyd riots alone inflicted upon your municipality.
00:49:48.000Or the COVID fraud, $650 million statewide.
00:49:51.000Or the Somali fraud, $9 billion statewide.
00:51:25.000But if anything, right now, I think it's Maple Grove, right?
00:51:30.000The footage that we're seeing of the police finally showing up and doing something about some of the rioters and protesters and arresting some people.
00:51:37.000And you see officers rushing and you're like, where was this?
00:52:06.000And so a lot of us on X were just like, finally, you sent in the police, man.
00:52:09.000If you had done this from the very beginning, do you think some people might still be alive?
00:52:13.000Do you think if maybe you had encouraged your citizens instead to go out and break the law and stand in the road and harass ICE officers and get in the way and physically accost them, maybe some people would be alive and officers wouldn't have had to defend their lives in these situations.
00:52:25.000How do they take no responsibility for that?
00:52:42.000Objectively, have you seen more assaults committed in Minneapolis over the last week than all of January 6th?
00:52:50.000Not even including the Summer of Love Riots, right?
00:52:52.000Objectively, you've seen far more, haven't you?
00:52:54.000You've seen far more acts of violence, and you've certainly seen far more acts of violence committed against fellow American citizens, for example, staff at the hotel.
00:53:22.000And I think the message needs to be so clear and so forceful that if you don't let us enforce the law, we're going to arrest you because that too is the law.
00:53:32.000And I would be championing this from the rooftops if I was in this administration.
00:53:37.000Find me one example, one example of people making their voices heard peacefully, not obstructing a roadway, traffic, ICE from doing their job, being physically accosted and abused.
00:53:57.000So really quickly, one of the reasons you can't back down is this statement that we just saw from, I believe, the city of Buffalo on whether they're going to cooperate with ICE.
00:54:05.000So it says, this is the caption from Breaking 911 on X. Mayor of Buffalo, New York, Sean Ryan, has signed an executive order restricting ICE operations and limiting local cooperation.
00:54:17.000Cities around the country doing the exact opposite of what you do if you want to protect your citizens, make people safe, and make sure you get rid of illegal criminals that are in your possession some way, somehow.
00:54:28.000That's the exact opposite of what you do.
00:54:30.000So I really hope the Trump administration is taking notes.
00:54:43.000If I was an advisor to Trump right now, I would say, look, okay, I get it.
00:54:45.000At this point, if people say taco, if you feel like the optics maybe look as though you've chickened out, now really, really drill down on, okay, we're giving them an opportunity to hand over all of the incarcerated, all of the detained criminals.
00:55:00.000And then the second they don't, you go, we're going back in and do so more aggressively.
00:55:03.000Say, well, this is why, because we acted in good faith.
00:55:06.000They said they would hand over the criminals.
00:55:42.000But you're going to see a whole lot more of that if the perception is that this administration is weak or that they will throw their own people under the bus.
00:56:41.000get out of the way and the thing with clips like that is what you don't see is just how easily it could have gone the other way How easily someone forgets to lock their windows or lock their door.
00:58:13.000Even the perception of weakness or the perception of backing down is not great.
00:58:17.000And as I understand it, you were the one who, by the way, people can follow you, of course, Nick Sortor on X. Is there another place where you want to direct people to support you?
00:58:26.000X is typically the place because every other platform will just ban me.
00:58:30.000Just I don't use it very much because it's like, you know, why bother if every time you post something that's remotely edgy, it gets community striped or whatever it is.
00:58:45.000Now, yesterday, as I understand it, you were the one to break this that Greg Bavino was, I don't want to, I don't want to misrepresent because there's quite a bit of confusion.
00:59:02.000So originally, what was going on is he was relieved of duty as commander op at large.
00:59:09.000So he's no longer the Border Patrol commander.
00:59:14.000If you notice in the statement that DHS released, you know, trying to rebut my story, they called him chief instead of commander because the story was true.
00:59:26.000He was actually taken out of the command structure and they started calling him chief again because he went back to his former role as chief of El Centro sector, which is just one section of the U.S.-Mexico border.
00:59:39.000And President Trump was not originally aware of this because it was a decision made by Rodney Scott, the Customs and Border Protection Commissioner.
00:59:51.000And then once President Trump found out about it, he was obviously a little bit upset.
01:00:00.000So is that the reason that the messaging was so incoherent?
01:00:03.000And does that seem to be a trend in your experience with those on the inside in this administration?
01:00:08.000Well, I mean, you kind of have to look at it from a standpoint of you have all of these millions of employees of the U.S. federal government that President Trump is managing.
01:00:18.000So, of course, there are going to be middle managers as well.
01:00:21.000That's what I'm going to call the CBP commissioner.
01:00:24.000That Christy Noam doesn't actually even have.
01:00:28.000He's technically within DHS, but he doesn't answer to Christy Noam either, which is odd.
01:00:34.000She can't go and fire him if she wanted to do so.
01:00:39.000And it seems like Rodney Scott's approach to deportations is very different than what I, you, and tens of millions of other people voted for.
01:00:54.000When somebody says worst of the worst, the problem with that is you are now essentially just granting amnesty to illegals that they erroneously call non-criminal, because if you're here illegally, you've committed a crime, you are a criminal.
01:01:14.000And that was one of the stories that I've unfortunately been hearing this morning is that Border Patrol agents have now been given new orders not to, for example, if they were to run a license plate and it comes back as that person is an illegal that Border Patrol was forced to let into the country under Joe Biden, they are no longer allowed to arrest that person.
01:03:25.000Well, I mean, I was saying earlier, and I know there was an empty chair, so you probably didn't hear me.
01:03:30.000What I was saying is there's still an opportunity here for the Trump administration to appear as if they've pulled back.
01:03:35.000and then immediately go back in even more aggressively and say, well, we were under, we did this under the guise we thought was good faith, that we would be handed over everyone who was a violent offender currently detained or in custody.
01:03:49.000So we decided to put a pause and everything else since they said that was their gripe.
01:04:27.000That's not something big and bold of them and noble.
01:04:32.000What they don't do is because they hardly imprison anybody besides Derek Chauvin in Minnesota, there aren't a lot of them that are serving sentences in state prisons.
01:04:43.000So when it comes from jails and such, all of the county jails, the city jails and such, they still don't honor those ICE detainers.
01:04:54.000So if an illegal is arrested, even for a violent crime, and then they no cash bail out and they have an ICE detainer put on them, they still don't get turned over.
01:05:07.000So I'm hoping Trump is working that deal out.
01:05:09.000I don't know the specifics of that, but I'm hoping that this is the best case scenario that I'm thinking about right now, is that maybe just today they're being a little softer out there so that Holman can get on the ground and hopefully negotiate some sort of deal out there.
01:05:33.000That's why I said like you'll have sick of fans who say like, this is 9D chess.
01:05:36.000And then you'll have people saying this is all lost.
01:05:37.000The truth is we don't really know yet.
01:05:39.000And so my approach today has been to speak as though those in the administration are watching because we know many do and to use our platform and influence to like, look, this is what should be done.
01:05:49.000I understand it if it's a play to say, okay, hand over all these criminals.
01:05:53.000And the second they don't, well, then it should be hellfire.
01:06:13.000If you can say, we actually have to go to Rumble Premium here.
01:06:16.000I didn't realize that we went beyond time.
01:06:17.000And I wanted to ask you a couple other questions about investigative journalism because I used to do that before people recognized me and then tried to kill me.
01:06:24.000But best place for people to find you, sir?
01:06:26.000On X at Nick Sortor, N-I-C-K-S-O-R-T-O-R.