This week, the boys talk about the ICC, Gerald Ford, and the case for Jesus. Plus, we talk about a teacher who slept with a 13-year-old boy, and a man who got 13 years in prison for it.
00:04:05.000Before we get to anything else, what is it that has your goat?
00:04:10.000I made a very reasonable statement on Twitter.
00:04:13.000So there was a teacher, and I don't know any of the details, and I said that.
00:04:17.000I was like, look, this just sounds weird, but a 33-year-old teacher slept with a senior boy, which I'm assuming is a 17 or 18-year-old kid, right?
00:05:19.000But what I'm saying is, everybody else— Gerald McGregor over here, dude.
00:05:26.000I'm sorry, I'm just like, this is not the most insane viewpoint to have to go, ooh, 13 years of your life for something that this 17 year old boy who is effectively a man wanted.
00:05:39.000Unless of course, and I said this now, if she truly did rape him, then throw the book at her.
00:07:42.000There's a legitimate time to reverse roles, right, as an argument.
00:07:45.000In this case, for example, you don't hear me talk a lot or spend a lot of time on the fact that women commit domestic abuse at a higher rate, physical abuse, than men do.
00:07:54.000You'll hear me talk about the fact that they do that with children, single mother households, far more likely for the child to experience physical abuse than in single father households.
00:08:02.000But as far as a woman hitting a guy, the reason I don't spend as much time on it, even though, of course, it is illegal and it's just as wrong, let's be honest, that's not what you fear as a man in a relationship.
00:08:12.000It's kind of funny when it actually does happen.
00:08:15.000What you fear is the abuse of the courts.
00:08:17.000What you fear is the social shaming, is the manipulating, is turning... Guys aren't afraid of their wife swatting them, so I'd rather focus on the issue at hand that actually matters.
00:08:26.000Sure, the role's reversed, but in that case, it's not an apples-to-apples comparison.
00:10:30.000And we, just so you know, we've done a whole breakdown on Schwab a while ago, and the WEF, so if you want to learn about that a little bit more, actually, I don't know, do we have this clip?
00:10:42.000Okay, so we just wanted to use this opportunity to direct you to the WEF and how they affect your everyday life, and we'll put the link in the description down there.
00:10:51.000If you do want to take some time, peruse it, educate yourself, here's a brief clip.
00:10:54.000By the way, also, I think we should have a moratorium on any Germans in authority having global opinions on anything.
00:12:38.000This is Making the Rounds, and I just think it crystallizes entitlement, which is honestly perhaps the biggest problem we have in our country.
00:12:46.000If you think about it, what soils the country or what corrodes the country?
00:13:46.000This was a flight, I believe, out of North Carolina.
00:13:48.000It had to be entirely de-planed because there was a passenger who, and this is, the video starts after this, but according to passengers on the plane, many passengers, and quite a few began filming, the woman in question that you will see in the exit row refused to help when asked Hey, will you help in the situation of an emergency?
00:14:07.000She said, oh, I'm not going to save anybody.
00:14:10.000If something happens, I'm going to save myself.
00:14:12.000Now, I don't know if you know this, the FAA regulations actually demand that exit row passengers verbally answer yes.
00:15:11.000Remember, if any of you haven't read Meditations by Marcus Aurelius, and by the way, you can also find this in the Bible, worry about yourself.
00:16:58.000The thing is, you can't be done with it at that point.
00:17:00.000Because you have already said, no I won't, alright?
00:17:03.000She could have gone to another seat at that point.
00:17:05.000They can't allow you to sit in the exit row.
00:17:07.000By the way, this could also be solved by not allowing people in the exit row who clearly, no matter how they answer, could not perform the exit row functions.
00:17:16.000How'd you like to walk up to that wing in an emergency and see that broad there in charge of your safety?
00:18:25.000Yeah, and you refused to help, and so we're kindly asking you to switch seats, but instead we have to deboard this whole plane because you are an entitled wench.
00:20:02.000Speaking of something that is helpful, look, this is one of those, I just want to take a second because we don't do a lot of sponsors on this show.
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00:20:37.000If it gets really bad, but I used to have to take a daily allergy pill, just spraying my nose twice with this, the science there shows you that it does work.
00:20:48.000I always do take an allergy pill, but I still get a few big bouts of really, really bad allergies for at least a weekend or two or three days, but I haven't had that yet.
00:23:40.000Joe Biden, and I talked about this on stage, I want to say it's back in 2010 when he was actually vice president.
00:23:47.000Look, when you watch that, it's not just a misspeak.
00:23:50.000If he said, hey, I was vice president during COVID and then went on with some, you know, historically accurate facts like we had the mRNA injection rollout, you know, we got past lockdown, whatever it is, we had to deal with inflation.
00:24:03.000He'd sell you some BS, but you'd say, okay, he accidentally said vice president.
00:24:08.000The reason that he said, as Vice President, Barack sent me to Detroit, and we are now about three, four, five lies in, because this is a man, his entire life, you have to remember, in 1988, he had to drop out!
00:24:24.000Of the national election, running for president for plagiarism and claiming he was valedictorian when he was in bottom two of his class!
00:24:33.000He makes up stories that have never happened with people he's never met.
00:24:38.000In places that don't even exist, the only way you get that far down the compulsive lying trail is because your entire life suckling at the government teat.
00:25:58.000Not acceptable is saying, Joe Biden is 104 years old, and I know because I visited him at the old folks home, and he showed me his birth certificate, and me and the nurse had a really good laugh before I had sex with her.
00:26:11.000This sounds to me like you're telling tall tales.
00:26:17.000When he said, I walked a picket line, I thought he was going to go, oh yeah, I thought he was going to mention when he was against integration.
00:27:12.000None of this is a criticism here, but we've talked about the historical accounts of Jesus quite a bit on the show, and if you're not a Mug Club member, often Gerald Captain Morgan here will do Apologetics episodes.
00:27:24.000And DeStefano was on Joe Rogan, and he was discussing, clearly, a book that he had recently read, The Case for Christ, by Lee Strobel.
00:27:32.000I wouldn't say it's the strongest book out there in making the historical case for Christ, but it's not a bad place to start.
00:27:37.000Joe Rogan has evolved a little bit, it seems, in his views on Jesus Christ, and it's one of those things where we're not all going to agree.
00:27:50.000And so you need to start with a historical case, the historical accounts case.
00:27:54.000Is there some common ground truth on which we can agree?
00:27:58.000Historically, meaning up until I would say the 1980s or 90s, people agreed on the historical figure of Jesus Christ, just a lot of people didn't agree on the divinity.
00:28:07.000All right, this is discussed with Joe Rogan, and some points are made.
00:28:11.000We just wanted to spend a little bit more time on this.
00:28:13.000Let me know if you've seen this below, because a lot of people are sounding off in the comments, and unfortunately it then lends itself to fake news.
00:28:19.000Then there are jump cuts that are being uploaded to Instagram and TikTok.
00:28:23.000And they're addressing claims that weren't even made, so the references are available, link in the description, and we want to hopefully help clarify.
00:28:30.000It really gets my goat is the fake news out there now.
00:29:35.000But this is something, too, that you've talked about quite a bit, that a lot of people say, oh, I don't agree on the historical accounts that Jesus is a historical figure.
00:29:42.000Alexander the Great is a good comparison because there's no one refuting the idea that he existed, but there are far more historical accounts and closer to the time of Jesus than Alexander the Yeah, and so we've actually got a chart here.
00:29:54.000Just quickly, most people don't understand like what you're saying.
00:30:03.000So this is talking about when these things were written about Caesar, 144 BC, right?
00:30:09.000But the earliest actual copy that we have of those writings is from 900 AD.
00:30:13.000That's a thousand year gap between when these documents were written and the earliest copy that we even have.
00:30:20.000And we only have 10 of them to be able to look and cross-reference and go, is this person telling the story correctly?
00:30:27.000If you look at that chart and go down this list, you would just assume like, oh, Caesar, we have a bunch of stuff that's within like 10 years of when Caesar was around.
00:30:33.000No, we have something from 1000 years after it was written.
00:30:43.000People that were actually around at the time of Christ were writing those books and people were referenced in those books as saying, and some of you were around and saw Jesus as well.
00:30:58.000Between the earliest copies that we have and when the books were written, and we have over 24,000 copies so that you can make sure what you're reading is accurate.
00:31:07.000So if you're going to accept a thousand year gap and 10 copies to make sure that we know what Caesar was all about, you have to then go, well, that makes sense.
00:31:15.000Then I would accept that the New Testament that we have today is what was written.
00:31:21.000So that just makes the point very clearly that most people don't realize that those gaps exist for other historical figures they take for granted.
00:31:27.000Also, by the way, what ends up happening often is we find new artifacts, we find new historical documents.
00:31:33.000There's a lot of stuff that you can find to confirm archaeological evidence, to confirm a lot of this stuff as well.
00:31:37.000And I talked with Joe Rogan a long time ago, and I wasn't planning on it when I was on his show, I believe in 2015, he kind of decided to veer the conversation towards Jesus.
00:31:45.000And back then he was not, I would say, as receptive to the idea.
00:31:49.000I believe he referred to him as a fictional character or imaginary friend or something like that, which was fine.
00:32:54.000As a historical figure, now nobody denies that he existed.
00:32:58.000And the point that we're going to discuss is that, you know, an absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence at that point in time.
00:33:09.000In other words, you can't say, well, it could happen, but you can point to previous examples, as with David, and say, we thought this for a long time, and then the argument shifts.
00:33:19.000And they go, yeah, well, what about, and they'll insert a new argument here.
00:33:21.000That was kind of fundamental, For people who denied the historical accuracy or corroboration of the Bible because of how big of an impact someone like David would have had.
00:33:32.000I mean, you would think that there would be some evidence of his kingdom if it was that influential and it was that big and it was that, you know, impressive and all that stuff.
00:34:32.000And we want to get to the point here where they discuss something very common, where you often find yourself at this impasse, okay, if you accept Jesus Christ as a historical figure, okay, you accept these accounts, you acknowledge that there's stronger corroboration of the accounts, I should say, of Jesus Christ, but then you say, I don't believe in the resurrection.
00:34:48.000That's where we're going to get to here.
00:34:51.000But first, let's go through this point by point.
00:34:54.000DeStefano, I believe in the next clip, is talking about the Gospels and the timeline.
00:34:59.000He's close to there, but again, this is not someone who's a theologian.
00:35:02.000I really do appreciate him making the effort.
00:35:05.000Yes, the Gospels were 70 years later, but they were based off the accounts of people
00:35:10.000who were living at that time and up to like 25 years after it.
00:35:14.000And they say, oh, well, game of telephone.
00:35:17.000I can tell you something goes around the room.
00:35:26.000But what they said is, because of that ancient thing of, you know, kind of having to pass down these Old Testaments because they couldn't write, it would be like if you're playing a game of telephone, but every person, I check with the person before to make sure the word I'm saying is right.
00:35:43.000I agree with what he's saying, but I think he's saying it in a way that is unnecessary.
00:35:47.000Because you're saying, oh, the game of telephone, you can't know exactly what they were saying.
00:35:50.000And he's talking specifically about Jesus and the New Testament.
00:37:00.000That's a little bit of confirmation bias because the real problem is like who said it originally.
00:37:06.000And who decided what the words were originally?
00:37:10.000Okay, that, I get that, which is true, but just for Jesus, this book was saying that the reason why they believe the historical accuracy of it is because basically his haters and the disciples were both saying the same thing.
00:37:25.000Right, so that's called enemy attestation.
00:37:27.000Typically if you're, like, for example, if you wanted to act like I didn't exist, Stephen, like you killed me, and then you came on the show one day and was like, I'm just not here.
00:37:38.000You wouldn't say, Gerald's no longer with us.
00:37:41.000You would just act like nothing happened.
00:37:43.000And then when somebody's like, hey, where did Gerald go?
00:37:48.000So enemy attestation is basically saying like the Romans were the enemies of Jesus because he started things that messed up their kingdom, right?
00:37:56.000They were causing trouble specifically to Pilate and his rule there.
00:39:43.000They saw him over the next couple of weeks.
00:39:45.000500 independently sourced people, real corroborated, 500 people saw him.
00:39:51.000This one is frustrating to me because the theory that the tomb was empty because people stole the body, you don't understand what happened in Rome, right?
00:40:00.000So if you remember the Jews went to him and they put the sign on the cross and everything and it really pissed the Jews off, dig into why that pissed them off because basically it was Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh basically saying that it was God.
00:40:09.000It was basically like Pilate's way of digging at them.
00:40:11.000But the one thing that he did do was like, go and make this as secure as possible because the Jews expected his disciples to steal the body and claim a resurrection because Jesus said that he was going to rise again in three days, right?
00:40:47.000There's no record of them being killed, Josh, to answer your question.
00:40:49.000But if you are Rome, and your job right now is to go, this guy doesn't exist, here's what you do.
00:40:56.000You go in, you take the body under cover of night, and you move it somewhere else, and that's the story that you tell people, but you never tell them where you moved it.
00:41:04.000I moved this body because we knew you guys were gonna come and do some shenanigans and try to say that he's the messiah and risen from the dead and now he's your king and now Rome can go to hell, right?
00:41:31.000You know he got stabbed in the side and he got beaten to death basically but otherwise he was just fine and just needed a Well, that's a problem with ever saying 100%.
00:42:51.000So they're like, that's why they were taking his body.
00:42:55.000Then you see that, well, that's probably not what happened, and the Romans themselves acknowledge there's no body in that tomb that we put in there three days ago.
00:43:06.000So in order to save ourselves, we're going to say the apostles robbed it.
00:43:11.000But in reality, that's just a conspiracy, because the apostles would have no reason to rob it.
00:43:16.000Okay, so we kind of just addressed that point, but this brings us to the final point where I think there was a really I guess there was a misconnection and I've seen, I've perused the comments and you have some people who are sounding off and a lot of people are getting it wrong.
00:43:33.000I think it's this reflex sometimes that you'll see from Joe, and I appreciate that he's open-minded and he's being more receptive, I would say, now than he used to be.
00:43:41.000But the idea that, well, hold on a second, why are you saying that?
00:43:46.000And he uses that word, and I think it's important, just keep in mind, there's a huge difference between conspiracy, which, by the way, there can be a provable, verifiable conspiracy.
00:43:54.000Let me just give you the definition before I show the clip.
00:43:56.000The definition of conspiracy is an act of conspiring together, meaning two or more people.
00:44:02.000That's different from a conspiracy theory.
00:44:05.000Conspiracy theory is a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as a result of a secret plot by usually powerful co-conspirators, okay?
00:44:41.000The Romans said that back then, and then I guess conspiracy is the wrong word, because I'm not... I'm not... Like, it's one story, one explanation, I'll say.
00:44:50.000But if you looked at it, like, what's the most logical explanation?
00:44:54.000Is the most logical explanation that a dead guy came back to life, or the most logical explanation that someone took his body, because that's what the Romans said?
00:45:04.000I'm, just because I'm in, I'm saying that that is the one time... I'm not saying I'm crazy about it, I'm just saying, you know what?
00:46:54.000Because we also have documentation that they died.
00:46:57.000Or people knowingly lying, stealing a body, and then being subjected to torture, skinning
00:47:05.000alive, boiling, crucifixion, being thrown off a roof for what they know to be a lie.
00:47:12.000To me that's more outlandish that people would conspire because either way there's some kind of conspiring.
00:47:17.000Either the Romans conspired because they were dealing with some kind of revolt and they were trying to quell an uprising.
00:47:23.000They conspired to say, all right, They actually stole the body, because there's no disagreement from both camps here as far as Jesus being crucified and dying.
00:47:31.000So the Romans conspired to say they stole the body, or, when you're talking about the disciples, they conspired to create a fake messiah with no financial gain or incentive of their own and were willing to die horrible deaths, knowingly, For a lie.
00:47:51.000People will lie to get themselves out of torture and death.
00:47:57.000They don't typically lie to jump into a boiling pot.
00:48:20.000And it is all of the evidence related to Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection.
00:48:25.000And just pulling evidence, like, from outside, it's the medical part of it as well that's described in the Bible.
00:48:29.000One of the most In-depth medical kind of descriptions of a crucifixion or a public execution that we've ever had in history Which is very very interesting because you have a lot of details you confirm there But nobody dies for a lie that they know is a lie and you can't really argue your way out of that
00:49:11.000They would have known either A. He actually showed himself to us and he's the real deal so let's go do this thing and it doesn't matter if we get killed.
00:49:18.000Or B. He's still dead and we stole his body to make it look like we have something but it's still not playing in our favor because people hate us and persecute us.
00:49:24.000They would not have done the lie part.
00:49:26.000Eventually they would have fallen away and gone into nothing.
00:49:29.000And by the way, this is also not anything new.
00:49:31.000So, Joe was saying, well, you just say it's a conspiracy because of the Romans, and people will present the case, right?
00:49:36.000Christian apologists, they tend to be pretty good at this because they've gotten a lot of reps, not only currently, but historically.
00:50:17.000They've been very dismissive, and they say, that's absolutely not true.
00:50:19.000And they've also executed and persecuted Christians, and it still has always been spread by word of mouth.
00:50:24.000The spread of Christianity has required its advocates to say, okay, hold on a second.
00:50:30.000I understand that you're dismissing this saying, oh, some guy raised from the dead, or you're saying flying spaghetti monster, or you're going to kill me if I tell you that I believe this to be true.
00:50:40.000So allow me to explain to you why I know this to be true.
00:50:44.000So even though there were known persecutors of Christians throughout history, early Christianity was not spread by the sword.
00:50:56.000Very different from the early days of Islam, where there were no known actual oppressors.
00:51:02.000And it was exclusively spread through violence across that entire area of the world.
00:51:08.000So Christians have had to get pretty good at this, because it's the only religion that has faced direct persecution, execution, for centuries, without an actual standing army.
00:51:24.000And that is why, to me, it's a self-defeating premise, because these people did it, knowingly facing execution, and they were willing to use their words.
00:51:33.000If you want to know why freedom of speech is so important, just look to the initial spread of Christianity.
00:51:53.000Yeah, and I mean, look, you know, you might be like, talking about Jesus.
00:51:57.000Look, it's the most important decision you'll make.
00:51:58.000Either it's the biggest waste of time and you should absolutely never listen to anybody talk about Jesus again, or it's going to affect every single thing in your life.
00:52:06.000And making the case historically, and making the case from the books that we have available, like making just a purely historical case for Jesus, his existence and the potential claims.
00:52:17.000God didn't ask you to check your brain at the door.
00:52:19.000He basically said, go and search these things out and see if all of this stuff is true.
00:52:24.000And I think that's an important part of what we do.
00:52:25.000But it's also kind of fun to hear somebody do it on Joe Rogan.
00:53:20.000Apparently there's like, you know, three of them, not three of them, three different kinds of cicadas that are like all coming out at one time right now.
00:54:21.000You should be concerned with the possibility of a rogue administration giving unwarranted and unfettered power to an international criminal court that really has no business even existing.
00:54:33.000So if you thought that the UN was bad, and it is, it sucks.
00:54:37.000The International Criminal Court, the ICC for short, you'll be hearing me say that quite a bit, is even more useless.
00:54:44.000It's legit as those college courts they were yelling about two weeks ago.
00:54:51.000It's the perfect encapsulation of this joke that is liberal internationalism, which of course is on everyone's minds because Schwab just stepped down from the WF, or he announced he's going to step down.
00:55:04.000And the reason it was trending is because on Monday this international criminal court Issued, oh geez, arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu as well as a Hamas leader, I think it's Yaha Sinwar if I pronounce that incorrectly.
00:55:20.000Look, this is a useless person just like the ICC is a useless organization.
00:55:24.000On the basis of evidence collected and examined and analyzed by my office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that three senior leaders of Hamas He looks like a guy who would be an actor, who you see in a lot of movies, who you don't know, but you recognize and say, I've seen him in a lot of movies.
00:55:44.000He sounds like he's doing an Anthony Hopkins interview.
00:58:32.000Just cancel her and we'll be on our merry way.
00:58:34.000We're going to talk about this more obviously on Mug Club because we're going over time a little bit, but the International Crime Committee I believe a competing organization?
00:58:49.000Today, I'm announcing the filing of applications for warrants of arrest in the name of the International Crime Committee for several world leaders for their crimes against humanity.
00:58:59.000These applications are an outcome of independent investigations conducted by my office under the direction of these two miserable sacks of shit behind me.
00:59:09.000Without holding any trials, we have found several sovereign leaders to be absolutely guilty of the following crimes.
00:59:16.000First, King Charles III, guilty of coercing the entire kingdom into eating beans for breakfast, and for cheating on Princess Diana.
00:59:27.000I mean, she had a giant nose, we all know, but some people think she was a bait.
00:59:34.000Next, we have Emmanuel Macron of France.
00:59:37.000Guilty of marrying his teacher, who is 40 years his senior.
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