Louder with Crowder - Johnny Depp’s Uphill Battle EXPLAINED by Half-Asian Lawyer Bill Richmond | Louder with Crowder

00:00:00.000 Welcome to the latest installment of Ash Wednesday Now, by popular request, my half-Asian lawyer, Bill Richman, is here in studio.

00:00:24.000 Yeah, he still works with us, but he's been working behind the scenes on legal matters.

00:00:28.000 I want to let you know this was pre-taped on Friday on the legal matters that, of course, are taking place with Elon Musk and Twitter and Johnny Depp and Amber Heard.

00:00:37.000 We thought it'd be great to have a world-class lawyer in.

00:00:41.000 If some of this doesn't fully make sense because, well, this has changed, I want you to actually watch this through the lens of, we spoke about this on Friday, and not only is he a brilliant lawyer, but apparently an oracle, because some predictions are made that, in context now, are frighteningly spot-on.

00:01:01.000 I'm on the road, while you're watching this, taping some super videos that are going to be coming up here in the future that I think you'll be excited about, but for right now, enjoy It's been a while since we've done one of these.

00:01:12.000 is half-Asian Bill Richmond, this Ash Wednesday.

00:01:31.000 He never really went anywhere, but we get so many complaints.

00:01:34.000 We hear you.

00:01:36.000 We read you in the comments.

00:01:38.000 He's still working with us, but he's doing all the lawyering.

00:01:41.000 But we thought now with Elon Musk and Johnny Depp, a lot of legal issues in the news.

00:01:45.000 It would be a perfect time to bring back on the half-Asian lawyer, Bill Richman. 0.97

00:01:50.000 How are you, sir?

00:01:50.000 I'm wonderful.

00:01:51.000 Glad to be here.

00:01:52.000 Can you tell people that you're still here?

00:01:56.000 I mean, I get a lot of messages.

00:01:58.000 I see people and they're always like, what happened?

00:02:00.000 And I'm like, yo, I'm working.

00:02:02.000 Like, the half-Asian might be the first part of the name, but the lawyering is the first thing. 0.79

00:02:06.000 And then you trademarked it.

00:02:07.000 Right, right.

00:02:07.000 And then I was like, alright, now I'm doing DMCA claims against other fake half-Asians.

00:02:12.000 Keanu Reeves, get out of here.

00:02:13.000 Tiger?

00:02:14.000 Bro, stick with golf.

00:02:15.000 I don't think he's half-Asian.

00:02:16.000 He's like Irish and Mexican or something.

00:02:18.000 Ask all of his girlfriends.

00:02:20.000 They'd say parts of him.

00:02:21.000 How much time do you have?

00:02:23.000 So, HR Tim's always been like, hey, get out here, you know, Tokunawa was like, get out here, and I was like, I got the laws, but hey, we're going to talk about some fun topics today.

00:02:31.000 No, yeah, I'm really glad to have you here, and it's one of those things where you were, a lot of people don't know, you were pinch-hitting, right?

00:02:38.000 Because we were like, there was a point where we were kind of rotating third chair before Dave was here, and we were just sort of trying out, and then it was just, we were, you know, short-staffed, and so like, hey, Bill, can you come in, and then you just, you happened to be good at it, and so then I kept asking you, where you were like, I'm going to have to go back to being a lawyer, and I'm like, okay, but for I mean, it helped when I chained myself into the third chair and they were like, well, okay, I guess we'll make this work.

00:02:58.000 It was half-Asian snake moan.

00:02:59.000 Yes, and I was glad to.

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00:03:28.000 So, let's start first, before we get to the salacious stuff with Johnny Depp.

00:03:32.000 Elon Musk.

00:03:34.000 Uh, with Twitter.

00:03:35.000 Yeah.

00:03:36.000 I'm not a lawyer, and you do, obviously you do a lot of business, uh, law, if I'm correct.

00:03:42.000 That is correct.

00:03:43.000 So, seems to me like he really has the board's pecker in a twist.

00:03:48.000 Yes.

00:03:49.000 It's been super fun to follow.

00:03:51.000 Watch.

00:03:52.000 LawTwitter's been blowing up about it, which is ironic given that Twitter's at the heart of all this, but in the long run, it's a lot of bluff calling.

00:04:01.000 Elon essentially saying, I'm going to openly try and change the face of something that I don't like, and now the board is stuck between exercising their poison pill, trying to do shareholder rights plans, the fiduciary duties.

00:04:14.000 Can you explain to people, because the term poison pill is thrown around quite a bit.

00:04:17.000 I mean, here's the layman's interpretation of it.

00:04:19.000 Elon Musk basically said, hey, I will buy out Twitter.

00:04:23.000 I will gladly buy it, and at something like a 20% higher than the market valuation at that point, if I'm not mistaken.

00:04:28.000 Significantly higher.

00:04:29.000 He said, I'll buy it outright to own 100%.

00:04:31.000 And then he said, and if the board doesn't accept my offer, I may have to reconsider my stake in Twitter, which we know would probably cause their stock to take a nosedive, right?

00:04:41.000 So, those are kind of the options, but then people have talked about how the board instituted a poison pill, and even Jack Dorsey said this is their dysfunction.

00:04:48.000 What does that even mean?

00:04:50.000 Most people don't know what the poison pill means.

00:04:51.000 Sure, so, I mean, a poison pill is a general topic, it's a general concept of something that's going to make the acquirer not excited about acquiring the company, or make it harder to do.

00:05:02.000 Generally what that means is you've got shareholder rights plans, you've got preferred pricing, the ability for other shareholders to buy at a discounted price, or a cap on what powers you can exercise once you reach a certain threshold.

00:05:16.000 So normally in these kind of takeovers, you'll get someone who acquires a position, 9.2 in this case, but then they'll go to 10, they'll go to 15, they'll go even higher than that.

00:05:26.000 And your corporate raters, which is in the 80s and 90s terms when this first came around, The boards had to figure out a way to stop them.

00:05:33.000 So they would say, well, we'll put together this thing that's going to maybe hurt the company, but maybe not.

00:05:39.000 We're just trying to slow the process to make sure that everyone ostensibly gets a voice.

00:05:44.000 So that's what the poison pill is.

00:05:45.000 It makes it harder for Elon to do what he needs to do.

00:05:48.000 He's going to have to get more people on his side than just him by himself, which is how you could do it without the poison pill.

00:05:54.000 So it's like a legal turd in the punch bowl.

00:05:56.000 It's a turd in the punchbowl.

00:05:58.000 And it's basically one that says you can't even lift the turd out of the punchbowl by yourself.

00:06:03.000 You've got to get other people to come and help you to do it.

00:06:06.000 But that's where you see the interesting part about how Elon's been very public.

00:06:10.000 The polls on Twitter about the features, about what he should do, how he should do it.

00:06:16.000 He had to disclose of course through the SEC all of the offers that he made, but notice the language that he's

00:06:22.000 using, right? He's not just playing towards the board, he's playing towards all of the

00:06:27.000 shareholders of Twitter across the globe to say, who do you want running these things? A couple of folks, a

00:06:33.000 couple of men and women who have very small interests. But here's the question.

00:06:37.000 Why would they do it?

00:06:38.000 Because you're saying they need to take everyone's sort of voice into account.

00:06:41.000 It seems like the primary voice should be the shareholders.

00:06:43.000 And I would imagine the shareholders would be very happy to make that much money and to get something that high above market valuation.

00:06:50.000 So when we say everyone gets a voice, are we talking about people on the board or the shareholders?

00:06:54.000 So they're claiming that this is on behalf of the shareholders, but you're right.

00:06:58.000 So they're lying.

00:07:01.000 I would suspect that they don't actually know that this is in the best interest of the shareholders.

00:07:05.000 So the way they couch it is, well, we're trying to understand whether this is in the best interest of the shareholders.

00:07:11.000 Right.

00:07:11.000 Because you had one of the Saudi princes came out and said, well, I think the intrinsic value of Twitter is much higher than the offer.

00:07:18.000 And that's ultimately what it comes down to.

00:07:19.000 He doesn't know how to handle money.

00:07:20.000 He's a prince.

00:07:21.000 He was born with money and carpets.

00:07:23.000 He's got oil everywhere.

00:07:25.000 Yeah.

00:07:25.000 There's, you know, oil Derek in his bedroom.

00:07:28.000 I'm joking.

00:07:28.000 I hate when you have these people who are basically born into royalty or ill-gotten gain or gain that they just didn't earn by themselves and they try and tell everyone else, I know business.

00:07:36.000 No, you don't.

00:07:37.000 You were born into it.

00:07:38.000 What do you know about it?

00:07:39.000 I don't know if he was the one who came out and said it was actually worth significantly more at one point.

00:07:42.000 Yeah, three years ago.

00:07:44.000 Twitter's been consistently doing this.

00:07:47.000 This is another sort of how I see it, and I think how the public sees it.

00:07:51.000 It sounds to me, from what you're saying, they're almost using legal maneuvers that kind of reflect the exact suspicions that we've had.

00:07:57.000 It's the elites in power, the board, those people, versus the people who actually want to see real change at Twitter, namely in the direction of free speech, and that's even a lot of the shareholders.

00:08:07.000 It's in the interest of everyone, except for the corporate board who want to maintain control.

00:08:11.000 So what you haven't seen the board say yet, but what you've seen other people say, particularly on the left, is, oh, he wants more free speech?

00:08:19.000 That's dangerous.

00:08:20.000 Yes.

00:08:20.000 Right?

00:08:21.000 And that is, while the board isn't saying it, that's what everyone sees they're trying to put forward.

00:08:27.000 They're trying to say, well, if Elon is going to do what he actually says and make this platform more open, we really want to pump the brakes on that.

00:08:35.000 And they're using the legal maneuver to say, well, we're investigating it, we're evaluating it, we're trying to understand.

00:08:40.000 Well, the one part that they do have a leg on is there's not a competing offer, right?

00:08:44.000 So right now, it's not like someone else has come in and said, other than just the market value of the shares, right?

00:08:49.000 No one's come in and said, this is what we're willing to offer, or is this ownership group good?

00:08:54.000 Anyone who's done any investing knows that, you know, you can buy a great horse, but you put a bad jockey on it, no good, right?

00:08:59.000 Right, they have to be at least four foot five or below.

00:09:02.000 Yes, exactly.

00:09:03.000 That's all I know about jockeys.

00:09:04.000 Tall, you lose. 0.96

00:09:05.000 You're not Oompa Loompa, you're just a small, skinny human being. 0.90

00:09:08.000 Yes, like Danny DeVito would be gargantuan for a jockey. 0.72

00:09:10.000 Right, right.

00:09:10.000 No good, no good.

00:09:11.000 That horse is going nowhere.

00:09:13.000 But here you are going to a person who has successfully built multiple companies and multiple industries, who has successfully leveraged the very company itself through his platform, become one of the biggest voices, and of the top ten, the most active of all of the top ten with follower counts on Twitter, and they're saying, well we're just not sure whether or not He really knows what he's doing and it's in the best interest of the company.

00:09:40.000 So what we're going to see now, or shortly, is you're going to start seeing shareholders take action.

00:09:45.000 They're going to start sending demand letters.

00:09:47.000 Those will become public.

00:09:48.000 They're going to start sending disclosure requirements if you have a big enough stakeholder, depending on the rights that Twitter has under their stock plan.

00:09:55.000 You know, hey, what is the evaluation that you're doing?

00:09:58.000 Why are you doing it this way?

00:10:00.000 And ultimately people will start suing.

00:10:01.000 You will find shareholders who will say, Nope, we're going to take the board and try and hold them accountable and really bring a lot of this to light.

00:10:09.000 It's going to be interesting.

00:10:12.000 First off, if you have to bet, do you think Elon Musk pulls it off?

00:10:14.000 Do you think he buys Twitter?

00:10:15.000 I think he gets it.

00:10:16.000 You do?

00:10:17.000 I think one way or the other he's going to get it, but I don't think he's going to get it by himself.

00:10:21.000 They've already done the poison pill, but what I think Twitter's board is miscalculating, and I think what I would call left Twitter is miscalculating when they get out there and they scream, I don't want free speech, Elon Musk's free speech is dangerous, it's fascist, it's totalitarian, that the average American and the average shareholder is looking at that going, So, if the Twitter board has on its side a Saudi Prince, pretty much everyone else should agree that this is the right thing. 0.79

00:10:51.000 Yeah, tell you what, Saudi Prince, when your women can drive by themselves, we'll start talking about free speech. 1.00

00:10:56.000 Okay, what do you give the over-under if Jack Dorsey gets, sorry, Jack Dorsey, if Elon Musk gets Twitter, how quickly before Donald Trump is reinstated?

00:11:06.000 Uh, I think it's pretty quick.

00:11:07.000 Yeah.

00:11:08.000 I think it's pretty quick.

00:11:08.000 And then he says, true social, I never loved you anyway.

00:11:12.000 Well, I mean, we've seen this across the variety of tech platforms, companies, even, you know, kind of behind the scenes.

00:11:20.000 Amazon, you know, and what they did with Parler, etc.

00:11:23.000 is the question of who's allowed to use these services or not, and what is unquestionably Downright devious applications of their rules.

00:11:34.000 You've got an interim Afghani government who are allowed to be on Twitter.

00:11:44.000 You have literal terrorists all over Twitter and we can't have a president of the United States. We couldn't have him

00:11:51.000 while he was the sitting president of the United States. Right, exactly. Because they want, they

00:11:54.000 imply that, and of course the most free, fair election ever, just have to be clear because this part

00:11:58.000 is on YouTube of course, no, there's never been any problem with any type of mail-in

00:12:01.000 voting whatsoever at any point. Okay, all the caveats. Just for him saying, hey you know what,

00:12:07.000 let's look into some of these, uh, what he believed to be discrepancies.

00:12:11.000 That's it.

00:12:12.000 That's considered a threat to our institutions and he's gone.

00:12:15.000 The Ayatollah Khomeini is still there.

00:12:17.000 Like you said, interim governments of Afghanistan, still there.

00:12:21.000 It's, um, you know, Dinesh D'Souza talked about this with me and I think we've gone over this.

00:12:24.000 You don't have a country of laws just because you have laws.

00:12:27.000 You really only have law and order if the law is applied equally.

00:12:30.000 And I think, especially with this explosion of big tech, it's not really something that we were prepared for.

00:12:37.000 It's always funny to me when you hear leftists say, like, oh, well, the Second Amendment was back when there were only muskets, which we know is untrue.

00:12:42.000 There were cannons, there were puckle guns, Girandoni air rifles, there were high-capacity guns.

00:12:48.000 But this is one of those things where it's very hard to imagine a handful of companies that were more powerful than any national or world government and don't have the kind of regulatory oversight that just Ford Motors does.

00:13:00.000 Right.

00:13:01.000 And that's a tough pill to swallow, I think, for people who used to be libertarians.

00:13:06.000 Like, well, it's a business.

00:13:07.000 They can do whatever they want.

00:13:08.000 Yeah, but not when it affects elections and it's a de facto public square.

00:13:12.000 Right, or just the common concern of, you say you have a policy, you're not applying it equally, you know, this is deceptive, right?

00:13:20.000 You know, you are telling folks that this is an open platform when it's really not.

00:13:24.000 And all of the real credible, I mean, some people are, you know, they'll say, well, I don't understand, and I get these all the time.

00:13:30.000 People will reach out and they'll say, well, I've been, you know, the platforms are messing with me, and I'm like, well, but what you did is very obviously a problem, and these were the rules.

00:13:39.000 This is highly illegal.

00:13:41.000 I don't know how to tell you this, but you're going to waste your money giving it to me on this particular instance.

00:13:46.000 And so I tell them that, and they go, well, I think it's unfair.

00:13:48.000 And I go, well, that's not the way it works.

00:13:51.000 They can set out what the rules are.

00:13:52.000 They just have to apply it fairly.

00:13:53.000 And what Elon's most credible complaint has been is, how are you deciding who's banned?

00:13:58.000 How are you deciding the tweets to get on?

00:13:59.000 Look at Libs with TikTok.

00:14:00.000 What's going on right there?

00:14:03.000 Countless accounts that have been manipulated, have been shadow banned, have been dealt with in unfair ways.

00:14:10.000 And when Elon comes in and says, let's just stop doing that, and the board goes crazy, they start saying, well, I don't like that.

00:14:17.000 It makes more clear the agenda.

00:14:19.000 Look, even if he doesn't get it, right?

00:14:20.000 Maybe I'm wrong.

00:14:21.000 Maybe he doesn't pull it off.

00:14:23.000 The light that has been shed here His offer, his tactics have put a spotlight on what the board is.

00:14:30.000 And that, of anything, is they can't hide from pushing this agenda.

00:14:34.000 Yeah, it's often why people, when people ask me, like, why don't you think about running for office?

00:14:39.000 Because look at what Elon, someone like Elon Musk, and I'm not comparing myself at all to Elon Musk, but look what he was able to do in the private sector versus the politicians who we know, many of whom we've spoken with, have been just having hearing after hearing after hearing and accomplishing nothing.

00:14:52.000 Right.

00:14:53.000 He's already accomplished more just in making the offer.

00:14:55.000 Like you said, that's changed the dynamics.

00:14:57.000 And if he actually gets Twitter and he starts applying rules fairly, it will force.

00:15:05.000 And even YouTube, I know people don't think of YouTube as a social platform.

00:15:08.000 It's more of a media consumption platform.

00:15:10.000 But even YouTube and certainly Facebook, Instagram, it'll force them to have to follow suit.

00:15:15.000 Because too many people will feel, they'll feel restrained.

00:15:18.000 Right.

00:15:19.000 So it's again, it's the free market is more effective than someone with an R next to their name.

00:15:23.000 All right.

00:15:24.000 So I think, and we can talk more about when we go to Mug Club, uh, you know, YouTube and how you, how we met, how a half Asian lawyer, Bill Richman and I met, you can hear the origin story and, um, kind of the changes just that we've seen in, I mean, dramatic changes, uh, that have happened on the platform.

00:15:40.000 I was just talking about this last week, but we can move.

00:15:42.000 Okay.

00:15:42.000 To Johnny Depp.

00:15:43.000 This is something everyone is talking about.

00:15:45.000 Law and crime, I think, YouTube channel is one thing that's actually doing really well as far as streaming right now on YouTube, because they've changed that too.

00:15:54.000 This is a scenario that has people really riled up.

00:15:57.000 Again, what I see is almost everybody with whom I speak goes, I just can't believe Amber Heard is such a monster because they've listened to the audio with her admitting to hitting Johnny Depp and mocking him and pooping in his bed.

00:16:09.000 But there was still an article from Variety talking about how this shows the privilege of rich white men.

00:16:14.000 And again, there's that disconnect.

00:16:17.000 How do you see this case playing out, and what do you make of some of the lead?

00:16:22.000 Because this is a defamation case.

00:16:23.000 Yes.

00:16:24.000 Right?

00:16:24.000 So, to be clear, for people who don't know, I don't want to waste, I don't want to, since you're by the hour, I don't want you to have to explain the beginning part.

00:16:30.000 So, she left Johnny Depp, filed for divorce, claimed that he had assaulted her, okay, then instead settled, right, they settled out of court, she got seven million dollars, and then wrote a veiled article in Washington Post about how she's a survivor of

00:16:45.000 abuse and of course the direct inference was that it was Johnny Depp.

00:16:50.000 And then that caused him to lose at least $50 million.

00:16:52.000 I mean it's Pirates of the Caribbean job.

00:16:55.000 So he is suing her for defamation because he's saying he never physically assaulted

00:17:00.000 her.

00:17:01.000 And as a matter of fact she did to him and committed mental abuse.

00:17:04.000 Is there anything else that people need to know in there before we kind of get into the sort of details of what a horrible person she is? 0.94

00:17:09.000 Well, I mean, those are long and in-depth and we're going to get into those.

00:17:13.000 What's important is folks have already kind of forgotten the original, where this originally came from in the legal realm, which was his lawsuit against The Sun.

00:17:23.000 So under, you know, under British law... They called him a wife-beater.

00:17:27.000 Right the wife beater and you know they're ultimately in a British law they had to prove it and in what Johnny Depp's lawyers described of the trial result there that it was a perverse and bewildering ignorance of the evidence, right? I mean, they literally,

00:17:42.000 the judge in there, the way that they described it was just ignored

00:17:44.000 testimony, evidence, written evidence, oral testimony, recordings, etc. about what Amber Heard was doing and her

00:17:51.000 litany of wrongful acts. I mean, the

00:17:55.000 demonstrating that she was neither afraid of being abused, had not been abused, was more clearly the person who was

00:18:02.000 engaging in the abuse. You think when you say that, I didn't, I have been looking high and low. I

00:18:07.000 I haven't seen any evidence that she's presented of abuse.

00:18:11.000 Beyond her claiming so, and at one point claiming that this mark came from him.

00:18:14.000 I mean, she's got a lot of circumstantial, inferential, right?

00:18:19.000 Well, this is, you know, the marks, the conversations, taking certain contexts, you know, what she's done is to go out there in this instance and say, look at all of the crazy things that he's done, which anyone who's lived a life has done crazy things where, in a photo, taken out of context, a snippet, you know, you always say, Take a snippet, look at the first 30 seconds before, look at the 30 seconds afterwards, and then you'll more likely know what is the truth.

00:18:45.000 Yeah, like last week I said, I want more women who are raped to come forward and, you know, bring their accuser to justice or to carry a firearm so they're not a victim of rape. 0.72

00:18:56.000 And some people just took, I want more women to be raped. 1.00

00:19:01.000 Cutting the sentence off. 0.99

00:19:03.000 You know, I mean, you see this example all the time, right?

00:19:05.000 The lion who's holding the cub by the neck, and you're like, yeah, no, no, no, that's the cub of that mother lion, and she's dragging him to come with the other cubs because there's an alligator over here, right?

00:19:18.000 And so the context is what matters.

00:19:20.000 And so in that son lawsuit, he lost.

00:19:22.000 And they were able to prove in the opinion of that judge and the judgment that abuse

00:19:26.000 did occur, though that judge did say that there were a number of instances that she

00:19:31.000 alleged abuse occurred and they were like, nope, didn't happen.

00:19:34.000 So already in that original lawsuit, her claims were found to not be entirely credible.

00:19:40.000 Now he went and tried to appeal that to the British court to the next level.

00:19:44.000 And they said, no, it's not enough.

00:19:45.000 And I got to tell you, some of that is, you know, I haven't read all the pleadings and

00:19:49.000 all the evidence, but it seemed strange that they weren't able to, even under that other

00:19:53.000 legal system, to be able to challenge it.

00:19:55.000 But now let's fast forward to this lawsuit.

00:19:56.000 Right.

00:19:57.000 You know, we're not all the way through.

00:19:59.000 We've got, you know, different evidence is still going to come out in testimony.

00:20:02.000 But you're right.

00:20:03.000 There's a paucity of evidence on her side. 0.86

00:20:06.000 There's a lot of evidence on his side to say that what she was talking about, I mean, first of all, the fact that she's even trying to say, well, it could have been about anyone.

00:20:13.000 I'm sorry, what?

00:20:14.000 Yeah, the article.

00:20:15.000 Right, not specific enough.

00:20:17.000 During that time when she was married to Johnny Depp, and in subsequent interviews, she's given commentary that again makes the inference.

00:20:24.000 Oh, you had a guy on the side and he was abusing?

00:20:26.000 Is that the guessing game?

00:20:29.000 Could have been Elon Musk, that's also one of the things that Johnny Depp said.

00:20:32.000 Not one month into her marriage, she was stooping Elon Musk.

00:20:37.000 That wasn't the exact words, but something like that. 0.97

00:20:39.000 I mean, I think right next to the shit on his side of the bed that he found was a Cybertruck key. 0.77

00:20:43.000 So, you know, it was very... Although he was very happy to be the first person to get one. 0.94

00:20:48.000 Yeah, it was a welcome gift.

00:20:49.000 I haven't seen any evidence from her side, and I want to get to... Okay, it's a defamation case here in the United States.

00:20:55.000 Um, correct me if I'm wrong, and then I want to get into sort of, um, the importance, you know, we talked about this last week, marriage and marriage laws in the country, and how it now is discouraging people from getting married because it's just a risk that men don't want to take, and it's one of the only contracts that I can think of in the United States where if one person makes significantly more money, uh, one side is financially incentivized to break it in certain no-fault divorce states.

00:21:20.000 Sure.

00:21:21.000 In other words, there are women, let's say a woman is not wealthy, a woman has never worked a day in her life. 1.00

00:21:26.000 Her best bet to get rich in certain states is just to marry a rich guy. 1.00

00:21:31.000 That does exist.

00:21:31.000 There is.

00:21:32.000 I know it's cynical, but the truth is... But I would say that that's, you know, this might cut against it a little bit.

00:21:37.000 It's kind of a tale as old as time, right?

00:21:38.000 It's not quite as old as the world's oldest profession.

00:21:41.000 But, you know, the MRS hasn't been a joke for, you know, a hundred years because... It's not all that different from the world's oldest profession.

00:21:41.000 Right.

00:21:47.000 Well, at times, and that would be part of the question, right?

00:21:50.000 Like, what was the purpose here?

00:21:51.000 Look at Anna Nicole Smith and her situation, right?

00:21:52.000 Yeah.

00:21:53.000 Ended up, you know, with a big goose egg.

00:21:55.000 No, she just liked 90-year-old wrinkly turtle look-alikes.

00:21:59.000 I mean, don't tell my wife, but, oh yeah.

00:22:01.000 No, I'm kidding.

00:22:03.000 So, when it comes to that situation, there's a couple different aspects, right?

00:22:06.000 There's the marital aspect.

00:22:09.000 People have also asked a lot of questions.

00:22:10.000 I've got messages from folks who are asking about the criminal side, right?

00:22:13.000 Like, where are the police?

00:22:16.000 To do the investigations on both sides, right?

00:22:20.000 Who's done what, what's happening there, and that appears to be a very little part of what's going on here.

00:22:26.000 I think it's a little part because she admitted to her physician. She admitted that she punched him,

00:22:29.000 right? And he admitted to his physician when he was cut and beat, you know, he cut his finger

00:22:34.000 that she threw a bottle at him. Right. And people said, why did you lie? Well,

00:22:37.000 he lied to people who weren't the doctor because he was embarrassed. And he told the doctor what

00:22:41.000 she told her physician. So in other words, everything that will be on the record,

00:22:44.000 would there be consequences? It's pretty consistent. But before we get to the marriage

00:22:48.000 thing, let's start with the defamation issue, because I think a lot of people may not fully

00:22:51.000 understand this. And they just go, I like Johnny Depp. I like Amber Heard. Defamation is one of

00:22:55.000 of those things.

00:22:59.000 A third party, let's say a newspaper, and it kind of needs to be where they need to reserve the right to be incorrect.

00:23:05.000 Not be malicious, you know, and knowingly lie, but people get things wrong all the time.

00:23:10.000 Sure.

00:23:11.000 It's a little different when you're a public figure and this is the person in relationship with you.

00:23:15.000 From what I understand with defamation, it's a pretty high bar to clear.

00:23:18.000 And if you're not a public figure, right, you need to prove that you lied, That you lied negligently, when it's a public figure, that you lied with malice of forethought, so even more, that you lied to a third party, which in this case obviously had taken place, and then that there are significant reputational damages that you need to prove.

00:23:35.000 Is there something else that I'm missing, or is that kind of the bar?

00:23:37.000 I mean, that's, in broad strokes, yes.

00:23:38.000 I mean, there's, you know, for example, there's a limited purpose public figure, which is between a private citizen and a true public figure.

00:23:45.000 Then there's, I mean, there's endless case law about how someone crosses in that threshold of being a general public figure, and whether or not They have to get to this malice standard, you know, that you knew what you were saying was wrong, right?

00:23:57.000 Yeah.

00:23:57.000 And this has always been the tension of the First Amendment.

00:24:00.000 We did that, you know, changed my mind down in front of Google in Austin, where Mr. Jones... They couldn't not answer us fast enough.

00:24:09.000 Right, right.

00:24:10.000 The security guards loved us, but yeah, I don't think the employees were super thrilled.

00:24:15.000 That's the untold story. 0.99

00:24:17.000 No one knows that the security guards usually could have been dicks. 0.99

00:24:19.000 I'm like, get the hell out of here. 0.99

00:24:20.000 But they were like, I like what you're doing.

00:24:21.000 You know what's so funny?

00:24:22.000 It's like Shades of Fight Club, right?

00:24:24.000 Where they're like, we're everywhere, right?

00:24:25.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:24:26.000 We cook your food.

00:24:27.000 We guard your homes, right?

00:24:28.000 And it's like, yeah, no, there are real Americans everywhere. 1.00

00:24:31.000 And so in your ivory towers, you know, just realize you're talking shit about Americans. 0.97

00:24:37.000 Yeah, for people who haven't seen it, by the way, you can go and we'll have a link in the description. 0.98

00:24:40.000 Half-Asian Bill did come with us to Austin. 1.00

00:24:42.000 We did a Change My Mind out in front of the Google headquarters in Austin.

00:24:47.000 This was the one where you almost got shaked.

00:24:50.000 Oh yeah, they tried to throw a milkshake.

00:24:51.000 There was something else in that milkshake that I won't tell, but yeah.

00:24:53.000 It was a Kiefer Sutherland lookalike from Lost Boys, right?

00:24:56.000 Yeah, I remember that.

00:24:56.000 Yes.

00:24:57.000 That was a good one.

00:24:58.000 But we talk about this tension, right, which is people to be able to say things, to be able to say them, and in certain instances, you know, whether through comedy or news or otherwise, you know, for the public good, there's a lot of kind of exceptions to it.

00:25:09.000 Of course.

00:25:09.000 You can make statements that you may not know are 100% true, but you have a good faith reason to believe they're true, or you're doing it for the public good and there are exceptions there.

00:25:18.000 Here, this is not the case, right?

00:25:19.000 This is someone who is in the relationship with the guy.

00:25:21.000 Right, not only is she in the relationship, not only did they have a resolution, not only did she do the op-ed, not only did she try and skirt around what her agreement had been, but then it's very clearly intended to be wrong.

00:25:32.000 Like, there's no way to be like, well, you know, I heard from Amber that's what happened, and I interpreted her words, and so I said something about it.

00:25:39.000 This is her saying, first person, I was there, these horrible, horrible things happened to me consistently, and You know, don't listen to my phone calls, don't look at anything I've written, don't look at any of the facts.

00:25:52.000 My admission of pooping out of bed.

00:25:54.000 Right.

00:25:54.000 And none of those things are relevant.

00:25:56.000 I just was horribly, horribly abused by Johnny Depp, right?

00:25:59.000 And so we have to allow, and what I think really makes people frustrated on the left is that they have this ideal

00:26:09.000 that we can just solve all these problems. That there can be no offensiveness, no

00:26:13.000 uncomfortableness, no...

00:26:14.000 you know, that we can shut down speech that we don't like and here... Just start by hashtag believe all women. It's 1.00

00:26:20.000 like, well that's the end of that.

00:26:22.000 Right!

00:26:22.000 It's like, we're just gonna believe no matter what.

00:26:24.000 Whatever's gonna happen, we're not gonna take any thought to evaluate it.

00:26:28.000 And here, the argument is the same, right?

00:26:30.000 It's the other side of the coin of saying, we're just gonna go say what it is and it needs to be believed and, you know, we're just gonna let it happen.

00:26:36.000 But what are we doing about false accusations?

00:26:38.000 Yeah.

00:26:39.000 False accusations in a marriage, false accusations in the workplace, false accusations in public, right?

00:26:44.000 I mean, you've got Terrence Howard, right?

00:26:46.000 Did a thing, caught on video, it is what it is, right?

00:26:49.000 You've got other folks who have been wrongly accused and everyone just remembers the accusation, they don't remember the back end.

00:26:57.000 Brett Kavanaugh.

00:26:58.000 Yeah, I mean we've got a ton of situations like that.

00:27:00.000 And people still run with it.

00:27:02.000 People still run with things that after the investigation, which was conducted, was proven to be false.

00:27:06.000 For example, that party didn't happen on that night, and it couldn't have happened in that house because it didn't exist, and those people couldn't have possibly been there.

00:27:13.000 And people still run with that.

00:27:14.000 And they just remember that accusation, and those in the media, unfortunately, because there's such a lack of fear of any retribution or even accountability, they just go with it.

00:27:24.000 And that's also what I see with Amber Heard in this. 1.00

00:27:26.000 This is someone, if you listen to the calls, the taunting, the, you're not a man, you're a pussy, you know, these kind of things. 1.00

00:27:31.000 See who they believe. 1.00

00:27:32.000 This is not a woman who is afraid of being abused.

00:27:36.000 And this is a woman who also admits on the call to abusing him.

00:27:40.000 And it doesn't seem like it's a woman who fears any accountability in a legal system. 0.99

00:27:43.000 And I will say I get a lot of messages from young men, as someone who has been, you know, an open advocate for the institution of marriage.

00:27:51.000 But I am conflicted, because there's the biblical view of marriage in a holy institution, and then the government really has screwed it up in a lot of ways with divorce laws, where it is kind of, no fault is not no fault.

00:28:03.000 So what is that?

00:28:04.000 What are the consequences, for example?

00:28:06.000 All I keep hearing about defamation is it's such an incredible hurdle to clear.

00:28:09.000 It is.

00:28:10.000 Yep.

00:28:11.000 I mean, shouldn't it be, we're talking about civil, but if she actually lied about something, it's provable.

00:28:17.000 Shouldn't there be criminal penalties for perjury?

00:28:19.000 Well, so, there are.

00:28:21.000 It's the question of whether they're enforced.

00:28:24.000 It's that prosecutorial discretion.

00:28:26.000 I mean, people were, you know, our juicy small-a situation, right?

00:28:30.000 People were frankly shocked that it got even as far as a trial, much less a conviction,

00:28:35.000 you know, because it just rarely happens.

00:28:38.000 Now, it doesn't not ever happen.

00:28:39.000 It happens...

00:28:41.000 It is very rare, and it comes in very extreme public situations, or it comes in situations where it's a slam dunk and they're willing to just do it.

00:28:50.000 But a lot of the times, you know, the way our criminal system is set up, overworked prosecutors who have long, long, long, long dockets, longer than you can imagine.

00:29:01.000 You go into any DA's office around the country, they've got long lists of products, and when they have to choose between murders, Embezzlers, you know, those types of things.

00:29:10.000 And then going and prosecuting someone for making a false claim, it tends to fall to the bottom, regardless of the harm of the true victim, which is the person who was falsely accused.

00:29:20.000 Right.

00:29:20.000 So then it's incumbent upon people to go out and prove, you know, through the civil system what's going on.

00:29:27.000 But then that puts the full burden on that individual.

00:29:29.000 How many people would be able to mount a lawsuit like Johnny Depp without his resources?

00:29:34.000 You know, which her accusations are actively hurting. 1.00

00:29:37.000 Right?

00:29:38.000 And it makes the average person very concerned.

00:29:40.000 I get the same messages, right?

00:29:41.000 I mean, about folks who say, well, what can I do in this situation?

00:29:45.000 How can I have an open conversation?

00:29:48.000 You know, whether in the employment context, whether in the school context.

00:29:51.000 Hey, I want to have an open discussion in a classroom.

00:29:54.000 Well, now you've got to start.

00:29:56.000 Biting your tongue more.

00:29:58.000 You've got to start... Unless you're teaching second graders about fisting.

00:30:02.000 Correct.

00:30:03.000 If you are doing some of those public library conversations... Yes.

00:30:08.000 You know, where we have... Drag queen story hour.

00:30:10.000 Right, right.

00:30:10.000 Yes, exactly.

00:30:12.000 Also school assemblies.

00:30:13.000 We showed that last week.

00:30:14.000 A drag queen school assembly. 0.96

00:30:15.000 I'm like, if this were just a woman effectively stripping at an assembly, it would be pornography. 1.00

00:30:20.000 But because it's a drag queen, it's like... I wasn't stripping. 0.89

00:30:24.000 But that's the question.

00:30:27.000 Are we going to enforce these laws?

00:30:29.000 The end all be all is if you do not take action against false accusations, you create an environment where people don't feel like they have any protection from the system.

00:30:41.000 I'll tell you what it feels like for a lot of people watching.

00:30:44.000 A lot of people watching think, this woman was, and your cigar went out, if you need to relight it, that's fine, I can take the torch for a little, I can take the mantle for a little bit.

00:30:50.000 Do you have your lighter?

00:30:51.000 I do.

00:30:51.000 Okay.

00:30:53.000 You know, I showed you how to do the purge fireball trick, right?

00:30:55.000 No.

00:30:55.000 That's where you toast it, you light it, and then you blow out, and it'll create a fireball, and that'll purge that sort of ashy taste that happens when a cigar goes out.

00:31:03.000 No, I like, I like, I like ashy melons.

00:31:05.000 Okay, alright, well that's fine.

00:31:05.000 A little Zoolander.

00:31:07.000 You like your cigars like you like your women, old and ashy. 1.00

00:31:10.000 Oh my gosh, my wife is gonna fight you. 1.00

00:31:12.000 Yeah, no, your wife is far from it. 0.59

00:31:15.000 As a matter of fact, I don't think I've ever seen a woman with more porcelain-like skin than your wife.

00:31:19.000 That was the first thing I noticed.

00:31:21.000 It's that whole, I gotta tell you, it's that whole mix.

00:31:23.000 It's an old mixed race thing. 1.00

00:31:24.000 Mm-hmm.

00:31:25.000 It's like, you know, you mix the colors.

00:31:26.000 Mutts are taking over the world. 1.00

00:31:27.000 Look, when the Chinese armies, you know, breach the California border, I will designate you as one of the... Thank you. 0.99

00:31:34.000 I'm going to have to say you're an indentured servant.

00:31:36.000 Yes.

00:31:36.000 Yeah.

00:31:36.000 Yeah, well, they'll kill me last.

00:31:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.76

00:31:38.000 I'll be like, no, no, no, I need that guy. 0.76

00:31:40.000 She digs the ditches.

00:31:41.000 All right, you need one more puff on that.

00:31:42.000 It's going to drive me nuts if you don't do it.

00:31:43.000 So I will tell you what it looks like and what I think and what I think most Americans think.

00:31:47.000 As they look at this Johnny Depp scenario, they go, all right, seems pretty damn clear that she at least abused him.

00:31:53.000 Doesn't seem clear that he physically assaulted her.

00:31:56.000 It's pretty undeniable that she physically assaulted him because she admitted it to him on a phone call.

00:31:59.000 She admitted it to third parties.

00:32:01.000 There's evidence of it.

00:32:03.000 She doesn't even really deny it.

00:32:05.000 Now it's the question of did he physically assault her?

00:32:07.000 I haven't seen any evidence.

00:32:08.000 So most people are watching this going, okay, at best this was a tumultuous relationship between two parties.

00:32:15.000 At most likely, this was an abusive relationship from a woman to a man, which we talked about last week.

00:32:20.000 It's actually far more common than male-to-female, the domestic abuse incidents.

00:32:23.000 Same thing with single mothers versus single fathers. 0.94

00:32:25.000 It's like 200-something thousand, 230-something thousand mothers abuse their children physically versus only 130-something thousand fathers per year.

00:32:33.000 A lot of people don't know this because the story doesn't get told, and that ultimately harms children.

00:32:36.000 But most people watching are saying, this is a woman who was abusive.

00:32:39.000 Emotionally, physically to Johnny Depp and did undoubtedly cause him to lose his job through what she said.

00:32:48.000 But I don't think anything's going to happen anyway because the hurdle is too high to clear.

00:32:52.000 That's how most people watch this.

00:32:54.000 They go, this is a guy, and I don't even like Johnny Depp.

00:32:56.000 I'm not a fan at all.

00:32:57.000 I always thought he was kind of an affected prick, but my heart goes out to him.

00:33:00.000 I feel like most people who are watching this, this is when people lose faith in their institutions where they go, this seems really clear, but we have no hope.

00:33:07.000 I'm with you.

00:33:07.000 I don't like Pirates.

00:33:08.000 I don't like Caribbean. 1.00

00:33:09.000 I didn't like the movies either.

00:33:10.000 I don't like Black Pearls.

00:33:11.000 Mr. Sparrow, no.

00:33:12.000 Not my favorite.

00:33:13.000 I hate birds.

00:33:15.000 Ultimately, you've got to envision yourself being one of the parties here and feeling like, is justice going to happen?

00:33:24.000 Do I have the ability to believe that it won't be motivated by politics or because of a personal animus?

00:33:29.000 Is the system going to work?

00:33:31.000 And look, the system is going to play itself out and we're going to find out.

00:33:33.000 And people are always going to say, you know, I hear this from clients, I hear this from folks who are just commenting on the system, they go, Well, you know, the trial court got it wrong.

00:33:41.000 And I was like, guys, we've had appellate courts to review trial courts since the beginning of courts.

00:33:46.000 So we've already known that there are going to be times when your trial courts are going to get things wrong, and that's why you have the appeal system.

00:33:53.000 Right.

00:33:53.000 But that being said, it doesn't remove the frustration of knowing that to get there is going to be a problem.

00:33:58.000 I tell people all the time, they come in and they say, oh, I want justice.

00:34:02.000 And I say, well, let me just let me just stop you right there.

00:34:04.000 If it was justice, you wouldn't even have to be talking to a lawyer.

00:34:07.000 Someone would just, you know, Just decide, and the decision would be done correctly, and you wouldn't have to go spend money, or relive the pain, or have to deal with the accusations.

00:34:16.000 Right.

00:34:17.000 But that's where our system is, and you're right.

00:34:19.000 People are losing the faith to believe that we're going to look and apply the law fairly.

00:34:24.000 Whether it's policies at a big tech company, whether it's the laws on defamation, whether it's, what I would say is, really a Hypocritical application of the idea of equality.

00:34:38.000 So many folks on the left will say, well, you have to believe all women. 0.79

00:34:41.000 I'm sorry, I thought all people were equal.

00:34:43.000 Shouldn't we believe men and women?

00:34:45.000 Have you met many women?

00:34:47.000 Or men?

00:34:48.000 Or Zs? 1.00

00:34:49.000 Like, generally speaking, I don't believe all of anything.

00:34:52.000 I believe less than the plurality.

00:34:55.000 Right.

00:34:55.000 Because most people lie.

00:34:57.000 And when you have folks who come in and go, well, you know, it's a guy versus a woman, so I'm just going to believe the woman. 0.99

00:35:04.000 Or folks go, well, you know, look, that guy made some really bad movies, he must be a liar.

00:35:08.000 That's a little more facetious, but folks would say, look, this guy, he drinks. 0.54

00:35:14.000 He sometimes gets a little wild.

00:35:16.000 Sometimes he does things that are deplorable or immoral.

00:35:19.000 That doesn't mean he did the things she's accusing him of.

00:35:22.000 And you have to let You have to let the system play out, and then on top... Here, take this one.

00:35:27.000 Yeah, this thing just went out.

00:35:29.000 And then you gotta get people to back up and enforce it!

00:35:32.000 Because someone like Amber Heard, who, again, like you've been saying, like we've been seeing, lack of evidence on her side, lots of evidence on his side.

00:35:42.000 How do you do that?

00:35:42.000 I can't even get that to do that right.

00:35:44.000 It tastes good now. 0.99

00:35:51.000 Dammit. 0.99

00:35:52.000 Alright. 1.00

00:35:52.000 No, I think you're right. 1.00

00:35:53.000 And I think the problem is, and I think that a lot of people are frustrated with, is the believe all women is a hashtag.

00:36:02.000 Right?

00:36:04.000 Most people say that's unreasonable.

00:36:05.000 Believe women.

00:36:08.000 Hear all women, for sure. 0.53

00:36:10.000 Hear all women, and then innocent until proven guilty. 0.96

00:36:12.000 That's most people, right? 1.00

00:36:15.000 Again, with the subtext that many men are scumbags. 1.00

00:36:17.000 We kind of all know that. 0.98

00:36:20.000 I think the problem is, that's a hashtag, but it's also sort of a foundational stone of our current legal system as it relates to a lot of marital law.

00:36:30.000 Oh, there's no question.

00:36:30.000 As it relates to custody, as it relates to... There's no question.

00:36:34.000 Yeah, and that's...

00:36:36.000 That's what is unfortunately eroding, far more than this idea of same-sex marriage.

00:36:40.000 It's eroding marriage because states are basically saying, well, if you're a man and you're a provider, you really have, ultimately it's what the woman says goes. 0.84

00:36:48.000 And that's, and you have to prove that it's not true.

00:36:50.000 And like you said, if someone doesn't have the resources of Johnny Depp, well, they lose their kids or they lose their shirt.

00:36:53.000 Right.

00:36:54.000 Well, there's like a big distinction, right?

00:36:56.000 Like, you know, your mom, for example, stand-up woman, honest, hard, Great.

00:37:02.000 Has her opinions.

00:37:03.000 Hilarious accent.

00:37:04.000 Everything about her is great.

00:37:07.000 My mom and I have had a lot of disagreements.

00:37:09.000 I've talked about it before on other Ask Wednesdays.

00:37:11.000 We had times where we disagreed.

00:37:13.000 I felt like her upbringing made it hard for her to raise.

00:37:16.000 kids in a different country than the one she grew up with and other things like that.

00:37:20.000 And those prejudices and insecurities came into her relationship and then I had my own

00:37:24.000 as we came into our relationship.

00:37:25.000 But the idea of saying, well, you know what, my mother was great, my sister was great,

00:37:30.000 my grandmother's great, so I'm going to believe all women because there's an idea that the 0.96

00:37:37.000 majority of women are oppressed or assaulted or harmed is going against the grain of what 0.96

00:37:43.000 our legal system is founded on is that we are going to take these accusers with these

00:37:47.000 accusations and judge them on their behalf.

00:37:49.000 Well, I mean, even just so in the divorce side of that.

00:37:52.000 Okay, maternally, that means they're better off.

00:37:55.000 Statistically, it is undeniable that single mothers commit abuse against children more than men.

00:38:00.000 That's undeniable by a large margin.

00:38:02.000 But the legal system says, well, they should automatically go to the mother because a mother automatically loves them more than a father.

00:38:08.000 And there are so many dads out there who, when I get emails, I say, I don't care about alimony.

00:38:13.000 They go, what I don't want to lose is my shirt on child support because I know it's not going to go to the kids.

00:38:18.000 I'd rather put it in a trust fund.

00:38:20.000 I'd rather give it directly to the kids.

00:38:21.000 We have a court system that says, basically, you give this money to the mom, and the mom's going to look out for the best interest of the kids. 1.00

00:38:27.000 I think that's where a lot of people see themselves, even though they didn't parent children together.

00:38:30.000 Johnny Depp and Amber Heard were so many voiceless men, or women who were the daughters of men treated that way, or sisters, go, this is the problem with our court system.

00:38:42.000 been seen in numerous cases where you know one parent says you know let's say for example oh i'm a i'm a doctor so i can take care of my kids better this this woman doesn't know anything you should give them to me well are you a good father that's the question flip it to the other side well i'm the mother i i'm definitely going to take care of them okay but you We're going to apply all the good things that these other women did to this situation, and we're going to institutionalize that bias when we need to evaluate the situation.

00:39:21.000 And the number of dads that go into these situations, into divorces, into disputes, or even after they're divorced, right?

00:39:27.000 The alimony situation, the child support situation.

00:39:30.000 The system is built in, in almost every single state and every court, that the dad comes in one or five steps behind.

00:39:39.000 And it's unfortunate.

00:39:40.000 Or the husband, even if there aren't kids.

00:39:42.000 And that's kind of what we're seeing with Johnny Depp.

00:39:44.000 I guess, how do you see this going, and then we'll go to Muggler, how do you see this going with Johnny Depp and Amber Heard?

00:39:49.000 Because the evidence seems overwhelming with recorded phone calls, with the testimony of people whose testimony would actually matter.

00:39:55.000 I don't just mean James Franco, but I mean doctors, physicians were like, actually this night, this is what she told me.

00:40:00.000 Actually this night, this is what he told me.

00:40:02.000 And then the recordings of her saying, yes I hit you.

00:40:05.000 There's no recording of him saying, yes I hit you.

00:40:08.000 There are medical records of him dealing with the injuries from her throwing a bottle at him.

00:40:13.000 Um, how do you see this playing out?

00:40:15.000 Because again, it's not, it's not a case, it's not a criminal case regarding battery.

00:40:19.000 It's a case regarding defamation.

00:40:22.000 Is it too high of a bar to clear?

00:40:23.000 And if that is the case, is there any kind of hope for reform to a legal system that, you know, puts people on an equal footing?

00:40:31.000 Well, the first thing I'm going to say is this, and this is not for you because you get the terms right, but for all you people out there saying, is he, is he going to go to, is she going to go to jail, or is he going to go to jail at the end of this civil lawsuit?

00:40:42.000 Y'all, that's not what this is about.

00:40:43.000 This is monetary damages.

00:40:45.000 Get it right before you start tweeting about it.

00:40:49.000 We still got more evidence to go.

00:40:51.000 We still got things to go in the trial.

00:40:52.000 We still got rulings for the court, even after the evidence is in, to determine whether certain things are still in, whether they can be considered, what weight they're going to give.

00:41:00.000 But, you know, it's looking as though the evidence that really needs to matter gets in.

00:41:05.000 So many people will go to a court and they'll say, well, I heard everything.

00:41:09.000 I watched every minute of the trial.

00:41:11.000 I heard every bit of evidence that came in.

00:41:13.000 I heard everything the jury heard, you know, if there's a jury in the case, right?

00:41:17.000 And I came to a conclusion.

00:41:18.000 But what you forget is that the judge can make decisions about what evidence come in, right?

00:41:23.000 In the criminal case, motions to suppress.

00:41:26.000 Evidence that never comes in or evidence that's never given by the prosecution to help the person in the defense.

00:41:31.000 Similarly, in a civil case, evidentiary rulings that were made in the beginning that will impact what evidence is even shown in the first place.

00:41:37.000 But here, you're getting to see so much more of the evidence that, in my mind, it's painting more of the real story than what happened in the Sun case before.

00:41:47.000 Right.

00:41:47.000 But then it comes down to... And that's good.

00:41:49.000 That is going to bear more in Johnny Depp's favor to be able to clear that high hurdle.

00:41:54.000 It seems to me like maybe the likelihood is they say, okay, sure, this was, you know, defamation, but we're not going to give you the money.

00:42:01.000 They could.

00:42:01.000 They could go and say, this was a false statement, it was never true, but, you know, everyone thought you were a bad actor anyways, or you weren't going to get those movies, that Fantastic Beasts spinoff, you know, nobody wanted, you were a has-been anyway, so he's going to have hurdles there too, right?

00:42:16.000 He's still going to have to jump over all those hurdles because someone decided to make false accusations against him, and he's going to fight every part of that.

00:42:25.000 As the plaintiff, he's going to fight every part of that.

00:42:29.000 How can people hope to see change?

00:42:30.000 Like you just mentioned, this is civil.

00:42:33.000 How can people be hopeful that the system is reformed so that there are criminal charges brought against people who make false accusations that destroy people's lives?

00:42:40.000 Because destroying someone's livelihood is a much bigger deal than people give it credit for.

00:42:45.000 Like, oh, well, you know what?

00:42:46.000 You're still free to do it.

00:42:47.000 It's like, yeah, but the person can't make a living.

00:42:49.000 The least sexy thing is the most effective thing.

00:42:53.000 Get active.

00:42:54.000 If you're in a state that has elected judges, look at the judges.

00:42:57.000 Look at what their backgrounds are.

00:42:59.000 The number of judges who are being elected into positions at the trial courts, the appellate courts, with not only no experience, but actually maybe even worse is folks who have detrimental experience who don't know what they're doing.

00:43:13.000 They're the ones that are hamstringing the parties from really being able to get any semblance of justice or even being heard to tell the real story and let the chips fall where they may with the true story.

00:43:23.000 You've got to get active in those elections.

00:43:24.000 But even talking about your political positions, your appointed positions, the people who are appointing the folks who decide what the rules are, your legislature who decides what are the rules of evidence.

00:43:35.000 Oh, you can go ahead and bring these kinds of claims.

00:43:37.000 There's no way to just deal with it early on like an anti-SLAPP lawsuit right at the beginning.

00:43:42.000 It's very unsexy.

00:43:43.000 I know people are already shooting out over it.

00:43:45.000 With legal issues, it's very local.

00:43:47.000 I mean, you can have one county over, and it's an entirely different legal protocol.

00:43:52.000 I mean, that's why some people were saying it was a big deal that this is in Virginia, as opposed to California, because that's where, I think it was the Washington Post, where the article was posted.

00:44:02.000 And the laws are different, where you may have a better chance.

00:44:04.000 That's how big of a difference it can make.

00:44:07.000 And that is also how much of a difference you can make being involved locally.

00:44:11.000 More so than I know it's tough with politicians when you're thinking about presidents and

00:44:15.000 senators like well how much can they really do they have one vote.

00:44:17.000 A judge can make a huge difference and your local legislature can make a huge difference

00:44:22.000 as it relates to what is allowed in your courts.

00:44:26.000 And maybe an unpopular opinion but I'm going to say it anyways.

00:44:29.000 There are you've got to look past the R or the D or the L or the I next to the name on

00:44:36.000 If you're in a state that votes, or if you're in a state that does retention voting or that kind of thing.

00:44:41.000 Because there are judges who are dedicated to following the laws in both parties.

00:44:46.000 You've got to look past it.

00:44:47.000 Just like you're going to look past the fact that a mom happens to be a mom, and that they're going to be good for the kids.

00:44:53.000 You've got to look to the substance of these candidates, these judges, these elected officials, and really dig in.

00:45:01.000 Tweeting's one thing.

00:45:01.000 You gotta get the words out.

00:45:02.000 People gotta do that.

00:45:03.000 I'm encouraging you to still tweet.

00:45:04.000 That's important.

00:45:05.000 But you've gotta take other action if you're gonna see change.

00:45:08.000 Otherwise, we're gonna go the way of people who don't trust their government and believe that anything the government is doing is probably wrong.

00:45:15.000 And that's not what America is.

00:45:16.000 We gotta fight for the core of America, which is a legal system that actually works.

00:45:19.000 Right.

00:45:20.000 I don't think it's entirely misguided to think that there's a lot wrong with America's institutions right now, but you've got to do more than just bitch about it.

00:45:26.000 Okay, speaking of which, you guys let me know who else you would like to see in the next Ash Wednesday.

00:45:30.000 I know we kind of do these intermittently because a lot of people, it's not like Tim Pool, by the way Tim, hello, love you buddy, where everyone has to come out in studio, but when we do the Ash Wednesdays, we do, since it's a sit-down, a long sit-down, we want them to come in studio, let us, let me know, comment below who you'd like to see.

00:45:44.000 Should we, should we stop swatting Tim?

00:45:46.000 Is that, is that, no.

00:45:47.000 It's, well, Yeah, it's not... I mean, it's still funny.

00:45:50.000 Poor guy!

00:45:50.000 It's still funny.

00:45:51.000 It is funny, but poor guy!

00:45:52.000 Sorry, Tim.

00:45:54.000 Next time we'll just send pizzas.

00:45:57.000 Swat pizzas.

00:45:58.000 Yeah.

00:45:59.000 We'll send jets.

00:46:00.000 Fighter jets.

00:46:02.000 So, also, Cigars Daily.

00:46:03.000 You guys can go get the Crowder 7 Plus 1 Sampler.

00:46:06.000 Again, they're not an official sponsor of the show, but Tim over there is a great guy, and he has a great YouTube channel if you want to learn about cigars.

00:46:12.000 We are going to actually discuss some of the origin stories and what's been going on with Big Tech on Mug Club YouTube.

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