In this episode of RUMBLE: A Comedy Podcast, the crew is joined by comedian Jordan Peterson to talk about transparency and the truth. Jordan Peterson is a stand-up comic, writer, and podcaster. He has appeared on Comedy Central, The Daily Show with Trevor Noah, and The View with Rachel Maddow. In this episode, Jordan talks about his new book, "Woke: What's the Problem with the Woke Right?" and why he thinks we should all be woke.
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00:11:14.000In every socialized country where they have socialized health, they expect you to be within the parameters of health.
00:11:19.000It's not just free for everybody at any point.
00:11:22.000And by the way, all bodies are beautiful.
00:11:23.000That's one area where we have politicized this in the United States.
00:11:26.000It's also why we cannot have socialized everything, certainly not healthcare, when you have land whales like this roaming our pastures.
00:11:33.000Yes. By the way, I think we should get rid of seatbelt extenders on every single possible thing, and I think the problem will take care of itself.
00:14:58.000It's a little convoluted, because it's kind of like fake news.
00:15:02.000You have people who you may refer to as extreme right accusing one side of being woke right, you know, whether it's the Douglas Murray or Jordan Peterson because they say, oh, we have a whiff of censorship there where there's this appeal to authority fallacy and they want to get rid of people who they view as fringe extremists.
00:15:17.000Okay. Then you have people on one side saying, hey, this is the woke right because it's entirely identity politics, largely white, largely Gentile, and you're basically doing what the left has done.
00:15:27.000So they're throwing it out there and so sometimes it's hard if you search woke right to get an idea.
00:15:32.000As to what it is people are discussing.
00:16:24.000The solution that we will get to here, because Jordan Peterson points out some problems, for sure, with psychopaths, narcissists, grifters, maybe the term that you use, on the right, people capitalizing on an audience, on a market share, while maybe being disingenuous.
00:16:51.000Three key things to look for to at least have a litmus test and determine if someone is being authentic, if someone is at least being honest with you.
00:16:58.000It won't work all the time, but I understand in the era of clickbait, I understand in the era of anyone can put out any misinformation, that you also need tools to figure out what is true.
00:17:09.000I will say this, too, before we get to it.
00:17:15.000So, when I started doing content on YouTube, when I was doing stand-up, I had done some acting, and I'd been dropped by managers for points of view, or agents for points of view.
00:17:25.000It was an opportunity for people like Joe Rogan, or people who maybe, or people like Nick DiPaolo, people who were maybe edgy, but were hopefully talented, to bypass media gatekeepers.
00:17:36.000So people who had the talent, who had the ability, who rightfully would grow an audience but couldn't because of gatekeepers, they could go online and sort of circumvent that.
00:17:44.000It's now changed a little bit, unfortunately, where it now has, I should say, sort of platformed or it has helped talentless people with no dog in the fight to use AI and generate clickbait content in order to turn a profit.
00:19:21.000Four to five percent of the population, something like that, is cluster B, that's the DSM-5 terms, histrionic, narcissistic, antisocial, psychopathic, and they have dark tetrad traits,
00:19:56.000What he's talking about are opportunists.
00:19:57.000What he's talking about here are people.
00:19:59.000So we're not talking about points of view up to this point, points of view that are impermissible because they're offensive.
00:20:05.000We are talking about people who are presenting information, or they are presenting, for example, opinions loosely based on facts that they know to be untrue.
00:20:16.000That's not everyone who has an opinion that you may find offensive, but that is a problem.
00:20:24.000The Pharisees, they're the modern version of the Pharisees.
00:20:27.000They're the people who use God's name in vain, right?
00:20:29.000As they proclaim moral virtue, doesn't matter whether it's right or left or Christian or Jewish or Islam, they invade the idea space, and then they use those ideas as false weapons to advance their narcissistic advantage.
00:20:46.000How do you identify the psychopathic pretenders?
00:21:47.000Okay, I want to put aside here for a second the anti-Semitism thing, because I know that that's a loaded issue, and you're just going to have people make up their mind no matter what.
00:21:57.000I don't think there's anything wrong with saying Christ is king.
00:21:58.000I don't think there's anything wrong with, of course, being an unabashed Christian, but I also understand what people are pointing out if it's used as some kind of a cudgel.
00:22:08.000I do want to address the fundamental point because this can happen on the right or on the left, and it can happen on a multitude of issues, and I'll prove it.
00:22:17.000We're talking about the psychopaths, we're talking about the grifters, we're talking about the opportunists.
00:23:50.000Do they make all of their information, when they are presenting facts, do they make them referenceable so that you can consistently do your own research, and do they encourage it?
00:24:02.000If they don't, well, not only do you have questions, you have questions and you can't get answers.
00:24:31.000I was, there was a point where I went through a more libertarian phase where I thought, ah, you know what, okay, the drug war is a failure, and so you can even see me sort of entertaining the idea of legalizing everything.
00:25:00.000And how long have they been presenting this perspective with some level of consistency?
00:25:05.000Meaning, did they only change their perspective when there was something to gain?
00:25:10.000If someone has a consistent track record for a long enough period of time, you are going to go back in time and find them espousing these views and presenting this information when they were doing so at great cost to them.
00:25:33.000I used to be a Republican, but the SC Cups, the Anna Navaros of the world, people who were liberal up until, let's say, 2016, who were part of anti-Trump, anti-Republican, anti-conservative movements who all of a sudden, maga, maga, maga, those people exist.
00:26:21.000And if they presented an opposing point of view, Or if they split with the people who are controlling the purse strings, would the purse strings be snipped?
00:28:49.000And often, the right way to cover it, if you weren't having to compete with the fiction and the wrong way and the clickbait, it would be enough.
00:29:32.000Hey, you know, George Floyd not only had a lethal amount of fentanyl in his system, not only is there a video out there that's been publicly available for a long time, where for 12 minutes they turned on the air conditioning and they were very nice with him, not only does this guy have a lengthy track record of criminality, but he was violent.
00:29:44.000He was involved in an armed robbery, in a home invasion, where there was a woman who I believe was held hostage, or was held at gunpoint, and her toddler was in the house.
00:30:24.000There's a right way, and there's a fictional way.
00:30:28.000So, for example, AIPAC, valid argument would be, has undue influence in government, and AIPAC gives a huge amount to Democrats regardless of their political views or their level of moral fiber, so long as they support Israel.
00:30:54.000Hey! Maybe you guys have a problem with, and maybe AIPAC is an issue that needs to be dealt with, and not only them, but a lot of foreign lobbying groups.
00:31:04.000I think you would want to have that discussion.
00:31:06.000That discussion doesn't take place because someone who has a profit incentive to simply lie to you or embellish, saying, the Jews are the only foreign lobbying group in government, and it's because of tiny hats.
00:31:18.000Well, that's not true, and now you can't have an honest conversation as to the problems with AIPAC.
00:31:24.000Ukraine. Let's use this as an example.
00:31:27.000There's a right way and there's a fictional way.
00:31:29.000The right way would be, hey, the U.S. has provided enormous amounts of support to Ukraine, more than all of Europe combined, and they spend more on Russian energy than they do on supporting Ukraine.
00:31:42.000Okay, that's a legitimate conversation to have.
00:31:45.000The fictional way is Zelensky bought a bunch of luxurious yachts and mansions with your money.
00:31:50.000So let's put that side by side, right?
00:32:00.000But what do you think happens when you go out into the real world and you deal with some kind of a political opponent who is even moderately prepared?
00:32:09.000If you say, hey, Zelensky bought a bunch of yachts and bought a bunch of mansions, they're going to go, okay, fake news, it's not true.
00:32:21.000But if you said, you know what, the United States has provided more aid than any other country, than pretty much all of Europe combined, not to mention the NATO spending, they're not meeting their fair share, and they're buying Russian energy, I think that this whole thing is a giant racket.
00:33:22.000Are you tuning into shows or reading articles that still use that talking point that is verifiably false?
00:33:27.000We now know, for example, that the Metcalf, not Metcalf family, the Anthony family, they didn't buy a new Escalade with the Give, Send, Go.
00:33:36.000GoFundMe, I think it's Give, Send, Go.
00:33:50.000The people providing you this information consistently, they don't care that you're going to embarrass yourself out there in the real world because they've made their money off of you.
00:33:59.000And so the answer to me is certainly not censorship.
00:34:02.000When we're talking about guardrails, it's certainly not only scientists can have a perspective or only political experts because we saw how that turned out with COVID.
00:34:10.000We've seen how that's turned out with Ukraine, with most, by the way.
00:34:16.000We saw how it turned out with Donald Trump.
00:36:04.000The Department of Education, Socialized Healthcare, of course COVID happened.
00:36:08.000And then they said, so everything I knew must be false and now they believe not only did we not land on the moon, not only is space fake, not only is the earth flat, but there are no stars, dinosaurs have never existed, like everything.
00:36:23.000Everything because all of a sudden their truth came unglued.
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00:38:00.000Not just a thumbnail with breasts, which does work, it piques curiosity, but it's frustrating.
00:38:16.000It was people parroting points, parroting points that either weren't true or were just points when this was breaking that we found out were maybe less than accurate, and then no follow-up.
00:38:35.000We're discussing sort of the big lie, dishonesty, and why we are where we are as a society today.
00:38:41.000You guys are aware of the birth rate problem, right?
00:38:43.000I don't know if you remember this, but I've been around YouTube long enough where I went to the Cancun Climate Summit and saw Ted Turner propose the one-child policy from Communist China.
00:38:51.000I know, this sounds crazy to you if you're below the age of 25. At one point, people here believed that overpopulation was the problem.
00:38:58.000And it was a moral imperative for you to not have children.
00:39:01.000Yeah, that was literally the talking point up until 2014.
00:39:05.000How times have changed, because now we're below replacement numbers as far as birth rates.
00:39:09.000President Trump is trying to do something about it.
00:39:11.000Floated the idea of a baby bonus to encourage the ladies to have more kiddos.
00:39:18.000The New York Times reports the White House is now assessing ways to convince American women to have more children, including a $5,000 baby bonus and federally funded menstrual cycle classes.
00:39:31.000He even went one step further presenting his new mascot for this campaign, perpetually pregnant Penelope.
00:39:48.000So the birth rate has been steadily falling.
00:39:50.000I'm just going to talk about the United States because birth rates have been declining across the world in a lot of different areas.
00:39:56.000And you have some people who argue economics, but it's also hard to compare, for example, a place like China that had a one-child policy and the United States or a war-torn country like Uganda.
00:40:07.000So let's look at why we are facing this problem in the United States now, today, in the year 2025.
00:40:14.000Our birth rate has been going down for a while, consistently since the 1960s.
00:40:19.000So to give you an idea, it's about 1.6 right now.
00:40:33.000Meaning we won't be able to sustain a country or have a nation if we don't have enough people.
00:40:39.000It's also, you know, the left, it's a brilliant ploy, by the way.
00:40:42.000It's a brilliant ploy by the left to import a bunch of third world labor and immigrants who will have children while encouraging Americans to not have children.
00:40:52.000And I would say this covers 90 plus percent of why today in 2025, from 1960 to 2025, We have a replacement rate problem as far as birth rates.
00:41:04.000Two reasons are feminism and neo-environmentalism.
00:41:17.000This was the breakdown of gender roles.
00:41:19.000This was the breakdown of gender norms.
00:41:20.000It was, you can be just as good as men at what men do.
00:41:25.000And by the way, post-industrial revolution...
00:41:27.000Those corporate overlords were thrilled to now have double the workforce so that they could pay people lower wages because there was more supply.
00:41:36.000So, with feminism, encouraging women to go into the workplace.
00:41:40.000By the way, women always worked before that, but they would often work jobs that were flexible where they could also be raising their own children as opposed to a nanny, as opposed to daycare.
00:41:49.000Then, they were sort of thrust into or at least told to prioritize the corporate world.
00:41:59.000So now, you have two people working, keeping up with the Joneses.
00:42:03.000Women are empowered, and they're going through the life cycle of going to college, getting a job, and then thinking of settling down in their 30s, at which point the biological window begins to close.
00:42:15.000And this actually brings us to, I mean, for example, Megyn Kelly, we were discussing this the other day, where she said, you know, women need more, I think that people would like to have more Megyn Kelly's out there.
00:42:25.000Well, one second, if we want to fix the birth rate, do we need more, and this is not to say that she's not great at what she does, or that there aren't many women who are great at what they do in commentary.
00:42:34.000If we want to fix the fundamental problem in this country, the birth rate, do we want more female commentators?
00:42:42.000Do we want more people raising their own kids having more kids?
00:42:45.000Because the only way we get there is if we sort of recognize that there need to be roles of a primary provider and someone who takes care of children.
00:42:55.000Feminism has been a huge lie and saying that you can have it all.
00:42:59.000And then there's been, unfortunately, the reaction from conservative feminism saying, well, actually, you know, yeah, you can't have it all, but it's a choice.
00:43:40.000Okay. One hand, your option is family.
00:43:45.000Mama. Seeing your child, that miracle of life.
00:43:48.000Or, of course, if you've adopted, someone who will go forward, not only continue your lineage, but someone who you get to see learn, grow, you mold their mind, you help them become an upstanding citizen who also helps the next generation.
00:44:32.000And we've told each other this as men, and I'm sure women as well, when you get to the end of your life, men, you won't look back and wish that you spent more time at the office.
00:44:40.000There's a line to that, right, where you have to work hard to be able to kind of achieve whatever you're trying to go for.
00:44:44.000But at the end of the day, we all understand that family, that's the thing, man.
00:44:50.000Like, being able to raise your children at home and not send them to daycare from 8 o'clock until 5 o'clock?
00:44:56.000Being able to help shape their lives and spend some of the most amazing years with them possible.
00:45:01.000Yep. That's the biggest gift ever and you've traded it in for the daily grind?
00:48:34.000And we are at a point where your moral imperative if you are a Christian conservative in this country is to ditch the boss babe shit and to have kids.
00:48:49.000Because of the laws in this country, because of the expectations where they're going, I don't want to be working all day and then also have to be Mr. Mom.
00:50:28.000They're concerned about their future in almost a doomsday fear.
00:50:34.000They're concerned about whether they should have children, whether they should even try to buy a home, because what does the future hold for that prospect?
00:54:27.000There's a huge difference between encouraging the absence of babies and abortion, really, and just saying, you have a choice to go out and work and never have a family and never settle down.
00:54:56.000Okay, if we are below replacement rates with our birth rate, and you say we need role models for young men and young women, in what world would that role model be a barren boss babe?
00:55:25.000I was at a TED Talk, one of the remote locations where you could just watch it with a group of people, and they were talking and celebrating this chart where they're saying, like, we're getting people's birth rates down in these different regions of Africa and Asia and other places, and they were celebrating the family sizes shrinking.
00:55:41.000As though that was a very positive thing.
00:56:49.000It doesn't address the root cause of why we're heading that way as a society, and you need to fix that more than you need to just give out money for people.
00:56:56.000But it is kind of a bat signal where it's saying, hey, look, guys, we have a problem, because for the longest time, at least as I was growing up, and you guys can comment below, Generation Z, you know, I'm a millennial right there, kind of in the middle.
00:57:07.000If you grew up with, hey, peak oil, if you grew up with, oh, overpopulation, because when you grow up with that, it does, it's in your subconscious where you're going, well...
00:57:16.000I guess, yeah, kids are really expensive.
00:57:17.000I'll just let you know, kids are not that expensive.
00:58:44.000I don't hate Pam Bondi, but you know when we were covering the confirmations, I was like, I don't really want to cover it, because I'm not super enthusiastic.
00:58:56.000I'm prepared for the disappointing but hoping for the best.
00:59:00.000Pete Hegseth, they have been on like a dog on a bone.
00:59:04.000The left is really going in hard on Pete Hegseth.
00:59:08.000According to them, he's incompetent, he's a danger, a liability, and he, everything Pete Hegseth, must go, go, go.
00:59:15.000It didn't take an investigative mind like Bob Woodward's to know that Pete Hegseth as Secretary of Defense might be slightly problematic.
00:59:24.000Pete Hegseth finds himself under renewed scrutiny for his handling of sensitive information.
00:59:28.000Before running the U.S. military, he was a weekend morning show host on Fox News with a reputation for going years without washing his hands, which, by the way, is his admission, just to make it even weaker.
00:59:38.000And they now confirmed a second signal chat raising more than a few eyebrows in Washington about Hegseth's attitude and maturity.
01:00:31.000They got their ear to the ground there.
01:00:33.000All these experts, they always used to say, I think it was James Carville who used to say, people vote on who they would most, as far as president, who they would most like to have a beer with.
01:00:40.000So here, let me present to you the man you would clearly most like to have a beer with.
01:00:45.000They hate him because he's unapologetically Christian.
01:00:49.000Pro-Western civilization, pro-America, and above all else, the same reason they hate Donald Trump, Pete Hegseth, as he made some missteps, sure, but he's following through on his promises, which is more than you can say for a lot of people, unfortunately, in this administration.
01:01:17.000So let's go back to Hegseth then, where he laid out the problems before he was in his position.
01:01:23.000We had problems with recruiting, and he said, look, we have this problem that we have to identify, and we need to figure out a solution.
01:01:29.000This is him then, then we'll get to the solution and results.
01:01:31.000Whatever the combat standards were, say, in, I don't know, 1995, let's just make those standards.
01:01:36.000And as far as recruiting, to hire the guy that, you know, did Top Gun Maverick and create some real ads that motivate people to want to serve.
01:01:46.000There's lots of other ways in which you could identify who gets promoted and what, but there's an ethos change.
01:01:52.000There's a reason people don't want to serve, because they don't trust that their senior leaders are going to have their best interest in mind in combat.