Louder with Crowder - Let’s Talk About It: Miranda Devine

00:00:00.000 I think the cover-up is frightening because those same people who covered up for the Biden family and gave the green light to the corruption, allowed Joe Biden to effectively sell out the country for a few million dollars for his family, they're the same people who are today propping up Kamala Harris.

00:00:21.000 Miranda Devine is one of America's most prominent journalists, and as a columnist at the New York Post, she has been integral in some of the most important reporting of the last decade.

00:00:33.000 Most famously, Devine broke the Hunter Biden laptop story.

00:00:36.000 Are you in agreement with what Twitter and Facebook are doing?

00:00:39.000 The same story that was promptly labeled misinformation and removed from Twitter and Facebook at the behest of US intelligence agencies.

00:00:46.000 Of course, we all know now that the story wasn't disinformation, and those responsible for its censoring were doing everything in their power to stop the re-election of Donald Trump.

00:00:56.000 But rather than just shut up and go away, Divine continued to dig and has since become the foremost expert on the corruption that surrounds Joe Biden and his family's ties with hostile foreign governments, as well as the embedded deep state that facilitates it all.

00:01:09.000 Now, getting into kind of the reason that you, for lack of a better term, blew up on the national stage was your first book on Joe Biden and the Biden crime family, for lack of a better phrase.

00:01:25.000 And now you've kind of written a follow-up to that.

00:01:28.000 But I am curious, what is it, or was there a defining moment that you decided, I'm going to be the Biden crime family expert, or did it just kind of fall into your lap?

00:01:39.000 What was the story there?

00:01:40.000 Well, the way it happened was that in September of 2020, if you remember, Senators Chuck Grasley and Ron Johnson put out this report on Hunter Biden corruption and Burisma, Burisma being the Ukrainian energy company that had been paying the vice president's son at the time, a million dollars a year.

00:01:58.000 This was, to me, a big scandal.

00:02:01.000 You know, I'd pretty much just arrived a year earlier and I couldn't understand why The New York Times and the Washington Post that no one was really, nobody was really treating this story seriously.

00:02:15.000 I read the report, I thought it was incredible, spoke to Ron Johnson.

00:02:19.000 You know, they had all the evidence there, it was all clean.

00:02:23.000 The only One sort of spot on the story was the fact that Nancy Pelosi and her Democrat friends had decided to introduce Ron Johnson and Chuck Grassley as Russian agents and say that they had unwittingly or wittingly allowed Russian disinformation To creep into their inquiry, I didn't see any evidence of it.

00:02:44.000 Johnson and Grasley denied it vehemently.

00:02:47.000 And in fact, Ron Johnson told me at the time that he'd been set up with a bogus FBI briefing.

00:02:55.000 And he was sort of ambushed and was told, you need to do this defensive briefing with the FBI. Halfway through the meeting, he said, this is bogus.

00:03:05.000 And if I see this leaked, I will know that you've just set me up.

00:03:08.000 Sure enough, next day, it's in The Washington Post.

00:03:11.000 So it was a total setup just to besmirch their Hunter Biden investigation, which was completely legitimate.

00:03:18.000 So I thought, well, obviously there's a big story here.

00:03:22.000 And so I went ahead and wrote about it in just a straightforward manner as I would with any other big story.

00:03:28.000 And I pretty much had the field to myself.

00:03:30.000 And then within, and I think that may have been why Rudy Giuliani In one way told his lawyer, Bob Costello, try Miranda with the laptop from hell, the hard drive.

00:03:43.000 I was not the first cab off the rank at all.

00:03:46.000 They tried several other journalists.

00:03:48.000 I was pretty much the last person.

00:03:51.000 They told me that they were going to go to the Daily Mail after they tried me.

00:03:56.000 But again, I bit.

00:03:57.000 I guess I didn't know what I didn't know.

00:04:00.000 You know, people were warning me off Rudy Giuliani, but I just took him as I saw him, and he seemed legit.

00:04:07.000 And certainly, Bob Costello, who was his younger off-sider back in his days in the Southern District of New York, is a really sharp lawyer.

00:04:16.000 And he gave me the breakdown on the laptop from hell.

00:04:21.000 He told me all the important, what he'd found, crimes.

00:04:25.000 I mean, he was the number two criminal investigations in the Southern District of New York.

00:04:31.000 He knows a crime when he sees one.

00:04:33.000 So that was pretty legitimate.

00:04:35.000 So I took that to my editor, Cole Allen, the Australian I told you about, who brought me over.

00:04:41.000 And he immediately just, he's always been a fantastic editor that just knows a good story and will go after it.

00:04:50.000 So he just immediately switched the entire newsroom onto it, sent teams down to Delaware to interview the laptop repair shop guy.

00:04:59.000 So the whole New York Post, you know, crack team was on it.

00:05:04.000 And I had just, you know, from...

00:05:08.000 It's an enormous...

00:05:09.000 I mean, the hard drive, when you look at it, is just an enormous amount of information.

00:05:13.000 I mean, I think 30,000 photographs.

00:05:16.000 It's just so many emails, so much text message, so much homemade porn, Hunter Bidens, that I think actually distracted a lot of people who went to it because... 0.58

00:05:26.000 You know, I mean, my colleague at The Post, Emma Jo Morris, and I often laugh and we say, you've got to be pretty grounded to go through that laptop and not get totally distracted and spooked because there's so much garbage on it. 0.62

00:05:40.000 He recorded every aspect of his life, his sex life, his drug life, everything.

00:05:46.000 So it is pretty distracting, but I had this roadmap that was given to me by Bob Costello for the crime.

00:05:53.000 So we were just looking at the emails and we didn't want to, you know, at the New York Post, it was very important to us not to do the gratuitous sex and drugs and rock and roll stuff.

00:06:04.000 Even though we're a tabloid, that's what people would expect.

00:06:07.000 We were interested in the The story and the evidence that showed that Joe Biden had lied to the American people.

00:06:15.000 Remember, this is three weeks before the 2020 election.

00:06:17.000 He'd lied when he said he knew nothing about his son Hunter's overseas business dealings.

00:06:22.000 We had here ample evidence that not only did he know about the business dealings, the influence peddling with China and Russia, Ukraine, Romania, Kazakhstan, but Joe Biden, when he was vice president, was intimately involved in this business.

00:06:37.000 He was meeting Hunter's overseas business partners.

00:06:41.000 He was arranging meetings.

00:06:43.000 He was on the speakerphone.

00:06:44.000 You know, he was involved.

00:06:47.000 And there was also some evidence, certainly in Hunter's words, that Joe was getting quote, 10% for the big guy.

00:06:54.000 Joe Biden.

00:06:55.000 He's pretty straightforward.

00:06:57.000 Yeah.

00:06:58.000 So as you described it as sort of the roadmap, the laptop was the roadmap that sort of unearthed a lot of stuff that would have, without the absolute disregard for common sense that Hunter Biden displayed, this might still all be completely unknown to the American public.

00:07:15.000 So with that roadmap you were able to write the first book, which was to me about the crimes themselves, sort of.

00:07:21.000 The corruption.

00:07:22.000 The corruption.

00:07:23.000 But the follow-up, the big guy that is recently released, seems to be more about the cover-up.

00:07:29.000 And that's what I glean from it.

00:07:31.000 When you are describing this book to readers and kind of the differences from the first book, what do you hope they take from the new evidence that you're bringing to the table?

00:07:40.000 What lessons do you want the audience to learn from this book that maybe they wouldn't have gotten from the first book?

00:07:46.000 Well, I think, you know, the first book is the story of corruption, the influence peddling of the Biden family, which I think is well known.

00:07:53.000 But this second story, I think, is more important because it's the story of the cover-up.

00:07:59.000 And like Watergate, the cover-up is more egregious.

00:08:02.000 It involved the CIA, the FBI, the State Department, the Department of Justice, the IRS. What I guess...

00:08:12.000 What Donald Trump called the deep state, what the Obama people called the blob, specifically the blob is more the CIA, the State Department and the Pentagon.

00:08:22.000 And they have their own agenda and their agenda is at odds with what the American people understand that their security and intelligence institutions that they spend a lot of money on are meant to do.

00:08:38.000 The American people would think that these institutions, these agencies Are there to keep us safe.

00:08:44.000 In fact, they seem to have their own rogue agenda.

00:08:47.000 And you can see while they are shadowy figures, we don't know exactly who they are.

00:08:54.000 We can see them from their sort of their fingerprints and we can see them from the foreign policy that was followed under Barack Obama and then again under Joe Biden.

00:09:05.000 And we can see that during the Trump presidency, there were no new wars, that Donald Trump treated foreign policy the way he treated everything that he did as president, just like he did when he was a property developer in Queens, just on first principles, logical, using common sense.

00:09:26.000 He saw a problem.

00:09:27.000 How do I fix it in the most efficient, you know, cheapest way?

00:09:32.000 And so...

00:09:34.000 When he first became president, for instance, Barack Obama said to him, the biggest problem is Kim Jong-un is North Korea.

00:09:42.000 They keep on letting off all these nuclear tests.

00:09:45.000 And so, Donald Trump just went around solving that problem.

00:09:48.000 He was mocked mercilessly for his bromance with Kim Jong-un, Little Rocket Man, all of that.

00:09:53.000 But it worked.

00:09:54.000 He put Kim Jong-un in his box.

00:09:57.000 Same thing with Vladimir Putin, you know.

00:09:59.000 Trump made these sort of grandiose threats like, you know, I like those golden domes you have in Moscow.

00:10:06.000 Shame if something happened to them.

00:10:08.000 But, you know, Putin took him seriously or half seriously, wasn't sure whether to believe him or not, enough anyway that Putin never invaded any countries under Donald Trump, like he did when Obama was president, like he did again immediately.

00:10:24.000 When Biden was president, he invaded Ukraine.

00:10:28.000 And the Middle East, Donald Trump at least had the beginning of some sort of a peace deal in the Middle East with the Abraham Accords.

00:10:37.000 Iran was on its knees.

00:10:39.000 It was broke.

00:10:40.000 It didn't have the resources to fund proxies to go and attack Israel.

00:10:45.000 Like they did last October 7.

00:10:47.000 ISIS was a huge problem. 1.00

00:10:49.000 People have forgotten about it. 0.91

00:10:50.000 But if you remember, leading up to the 2016 election, ISIS was burning people alive, raping Yazidi women.

00:10:58.000 I mean, it was terrifying.

00:10:59.000 There were ISIS terrorists blowing up bombs all over the world.

00:11:03.000 You know, London and Australia, there were ISIS attacks.

00:11:06.000 So that was a problem, and Donald Trump dealt with it.

00:11:10.000 You know, he vanquished ISIS. So just by marching to his own tune, he actually had a more effective foreign policy than Joe Biden, who is a puppet of the blob.

00:11:22.000 Same with Obama, same with, I mean, a lot of presidents that we can look back, George W. Bush, et cetera.

00:11:31.000 And that was why this cabal in the deep state, CIA, FBI, etc., they were implacably opposed to Donald Trump.

00:11:40.000 They crippled his presidency, or tried to, with the Russia hoax.

00:11:46.000 And then they played this, which is where I come into it, They played this trick, which was they got our story censored three weeks before the election, which was derogatory to, obviously, Joe Biden, one of the two candidates for president.

00:12:03.000 We now know that when Twitter and Facebook censored our first stories and Twitter locked the New York Post account for two weeks, right up until a few days before the election, we thought at the time, oh, this is just...

00:12:19.000 Big tech being woke.

00:12:21.000 They don't like Donald Trump.

00:12:22.000 They want Joe Biden to win.

00:12:24.000 What we didn't know at the time was that the FBI had been coercing big tech to censor our story.

00:12:31.000 They had been meeting with Twitter and Facebook weekly before the election.

00:12:35.000 They had warned them.

00:12:36.000 They'd sort of pre-bunked our story, warned them to look out for a story likely in October.

00:12:42.000 It would be a hack and dump operation, probably from the Russians. 1.00

00:12:46.000 Likely about Hunter Biden.

00:12:48.000 And so, of course, when Twitter and Facebook on October 14, 2020, saw our story, they recognised it as the hack and leak operation from Russia that the FBI had warned them about.

00:13:02.000 So they censored it and felt that they were within their rights to do so and that they had no choice.

00:13:07.000 And in fact, Mark Zuckerberg has said Since then, that he felt, what could he do?

00:13:12.000 The FBI is telling him that this is dangerous, a threat to national security.

00:13:17.000 What choice did they have?

00:13:19.000 So that was scary.

00:13:21.000 And then you had the, a couple of days later, you had what I call the dirty 51 letter. 0.74

00:13:27.000 And this was 51 former intelligence officials.

00:13:30.000 Most of them were CIA. I think about 42 were ex-CIA. And five of them were either CIA director or acting CIA former director.

00:13:40.000 People like John Brennan, Leon Panetta, Michael Hayden.

00:13:45.000 A real list of the who's who.

00:13:46.000 James Clapper, yeah.

00:13:48.000 You know, MSNBC. Total never-Trumpers.

00:13:51.000 Anyway, they signed this letter saying that the laptop and therefore our reporting was Russian disinformation.

00:13:58.000 Now, it wasn't.

00:13:59.000 That was a complete lie.

00:14:01.000 But what we've subsequently found is that that letter was actually given the green light by the then CIA director Gina Haspel at the time.

00:14:10.000 And not only that, there were several of those so-called former CIA officials who were active CIA contractors at the time.

00:14:20.000 So this was really a CIA domestic election interference operation to prevent Donald Trump from becoming president again.

00:14:30.000 Is it just because they were so afraid that they couldn't control him?

00:14:33.000 Because it seems to me like what made him effective on the international stage was a little bit of his unpredictability.

00:14:37.000 Yeah.

00:14:37.000 He would make threats.

00:14:39.000 Would he make good on them?

00:14:40.000 You couldn't say for sure, but he might.

00:14:43.000 So that really deterred a lot of action from our enemies.

00:14:46.000 It seems like the same principle might be at play when it comes to his, you know, role vis-a-vis the deep state.

00:14:53.000 And we use the term deep state.

00:14:54.000 It's not some conspiracy theory.

00:14:55.000 It is just the bureaucracy.

00:14:57.000 It's not some wild, deep in the...

00:14:59.000 The permanent bureaucracy in Washington.

00:15:02.000 You're not finding this on the dark web.

00:15:03.000 It's in front of our eyes.

00:15:04.000 They've tried to spin the phrase.

00:15:06.000 But it seems like the same reason he might be threatening to or at least intimidate other world leaders might be the same reason that he would intimidate our three-letter agencies here in the United States.

00:15:16.000 Yeah, I mean, when you say unpredictability, that's a good word for it.

00:15:20.000 I have called him uncontrollable.

00:15:24.000 He's really been uncontrollable since he was a child.

00:15:28.000 His parents had described him, or he describes himself, his parents used to call him rambunctious.

00:15:35.000 They sent him off to military college because he was uncontrollable.

00:15:39.000 And that's part of his...

00:15:43.000 I guess the beauty of Donald Trump and also the horror of Donald Trump.

00:15:48.000 That he's just, you can't control him.

00:15:50.000 And therefore, this cabal, the deep state, the blob, whatever you call them, the CIA, they couldn't control him.

00:15:58.000 He was not going to abide by their agenda.

00:16:01.000 I mean, these are unelected people.

00:16:04.000 They're permanently in control.

00:16:06.000 They are used to having presidents that they can control that will follow their prescriptions for You know, whether it be, I don't know if they're colour revolutions, regime change, whatever the little tricks are that they come up with, they expect that their president will go along with them and that they know better.

00:16:27.000 And for the most part, presidents have done so.

00:16:31.000 Barack Obama certainly was happy to do it.

00:16:33.000 He had Joe Biden, really, he outsourced his foreign policy to Joe Biden, which was why Joe Biden's family was able to grift off him so easily because Joe Biden was in charge of these parts of the world, like Russia and China, Ukraine, that were so corrupt and that so much money could be extracted from.

00:16:55.000 Because in those countries, when the son of the most powerful man in America, really, which Joe Biden was overseas, arrives on Air Force Two with his dad, As happened in December 2013 in China, all the Chinese understand what that means because they know what it means in their own country.

00:17:17.000 That's the way they operate.

00:17:18.000 That's the way they operate.

00:17:19.000 He's a princeling, is how they call the sort of sons and daughters of the CCP, high-ranking officials.

00:17:26.000 Hunter Biden was a princeling, and when he arrived on Air Force Two with his dad in December 2013 in Beijing, they knew that this was American power come to do private business.

00:17:38.000 And while Joe Biden pretended that he's just a good family man and likes to bring his son and his grandkids along on these trips, Not all of his grandkids.

00:17:46.000 We're going to leave one of them behind.

00:17:47.000 That's right, yes.

00:17:48.000 Well, I don't think that one was born yet.

00:17:50.000 The baby mama from Arkansas, the love child there.

00:17:54.000 But yeah, so Hunter Biden, a couple of days after that Beijing trip in 2013, got a lovely gift of a 10% in this company, Chinese company called BHR. I don't know how much that's worth.

00:18:10.000 We've tried to figure it out.

00:18:12.000 There have been some bad investments.

00:18:13.000 It's probably, you know, it's worth several million dollars.

00:18:16.000 And Joe Biden met with Hunter's business partner on that deal while he was in Beijing there.

00:18:23.000 So that's all proven.

00:18:25.000 It's all been delivered in sworn testimony.

00:18:28.000 Under oath.

00:18:29.000 And so we only had the bare bones of it in that first book.

00:18:35.000 I decided to write the second book because I think the cover-up is frightening because those same people who covered up for the Biden family and gave the green light to the corruption, allowed Joe Biden to effectively sell out the country for a few million dollars For his family, they're the same people who are today propping up Kamala Harris.

00:18:59.000 Yeah, that leads me right into my next question.

00:19:01.000 As your book lays out very clearly and ample evidence elsewhere suggests Biden was very easily controlled by pick your three-letter agency and pick their goal.

00:19:11.000 So my question for you then is since he was pushed to the side because he became either too senile or whatever it may be, whatever reason they decided to push him out, is Kamala Harris just going to be a continuation of that same corruption and same control or is there any sort of divergence that she would take or if she were to become president?

00:19:29.000 She is an absolutely compliant puppet because she knows that the only reason she's in this incredible position where she could be the next President of the United States has nothing to do with her great qualities, her brilliance, anything.

00:19:47.000 She's just Lucky and has been chosen.

00:19:51.000 And if you notice her speech that she gave at the DNC accepting the nomination, she talked, and was sort of out of character for her, but she made a real point of talking about having a lethal military.

00:20:07.000 Right.

00:20:07.000 She said it again the other day.

00:20:09.000 It's part of her armory and it's really a signal to those deep state controllers that she will not change a thing, that having a lethal military, that continuing on with Ukraine and sort of ignoring the greater threat, greater threat than Russia, being China, will continue. 0.60

00:20:31.000 I think, you know, I can only...

00:20:36.000 Because this is such shadowy figures, all I've done in these books is lay out the evidence.

00:20:44.000 And it points in a certain direction.

00:20:46.000 So I certainly have theories on where it points.

00:20:49.000 But I've tried not to.

00:20:51.000 I've just tried to be a reporter.

00:20:53.000 I think it's more powerful if I don't draw the conclusions.

00:20:56.000 I allow the readers to draw their own conclusions.

00:20:59.000 But I think the breadcrumbs lead in particular directions.

00:21:02.000 And one of those is, I think, That the reason that the blob, the deep state, has wanted to demonise Russia and create a much greater threat in the public mind about Russia, which is a country with its small GDP. It's not really a threat to the United States.

00:21:23.000 There are two reasons.

00:21:24.000 But one, I think, is that they want eyes off China.

00:21:30.000 Because I guess Wall Street is so intertwined with China.

00:21:35.000 Donald Trump tried to unhook the links between the Chinese economy and American economy because Because China was eating our lunch, as Joe Biden so famously said they were not.

00:21:51.000 China is an imperialist power.

00:21:54.000 And President Xi Jinping, his baby is the Belt and Road Initiative, which the Biden family was promoting.

00:22:02.000 That was what they were being paid to do, to use the Biden, then the prestigious Biden, Joe Biden name and Joe Biden's power as vice president to open doors around the world.

00:22:16.000 By that stage, you know, there were countries that had been ensnared in debt traps by China, small broken down countries.

00:22:23.000 And they were a little bit wary of China coming in with lots of money to build infrastructure and so on because they knew that at the end it meant that China would own them, China bribed their top officials.

00:22:38.000 And so what teaming up with the Biden family name did was give them some credibility and allow those doors that were shut to be opened again and to Allow the Belt and Road Initiative to make inroads in a way that was detrimental to America's best interests.

00:22:58.000 And so that's why the American, the Chinese military was involved in that company, that energy company, CEFC, that paid Hunter Biden and his uncle, Jim Biden, who's Joe Biden's younger brother, you know, tens of millions of dollars.

00:23:15.000 And that was, I mean, Hunter Biden was a crackhead.

00:23:19.000 He didn't provide any benefit himself.

00:23:23.000 It was because he was the son of the vice president that he was useful.

00:23:27.000 So that's what was going on.

00:23:29.000 And the American people are not really aware of the threat that China poses.

00:23:35.000 We're told that, and we've been told for a long time, that they'll just grow into a more democratic sort of form of government.

00:23:44.000 Well, the modernization theory has proved to be terribly false in this case.

00:23:48.000 And I think so many of these people that are supposedly the brilliant decision makers in our country, you know, in the 80s and 90s and the reform and opening up, they're like, this is a great chance for our market, you know, for our companies to sell to this giant marketplace in China.

00:24:03.000 And, you know, they'll become more like us the more that we interact with them.

00:24:06.000 And we've seen that not to be true, but it seems like these Brilliant decision makers are so invested in their sunk costs.

00:24:12.000 Like, you look at Apple, for goodness sakes, Tim Cook is still over there saying how great of a market opportunity that China offers.

00:24:17.000 When we know the second something hot breaks out, they'll just nationalize anything that Apple owns, take control of it, and that will be that.

00:24:24.000 But they're fine.

00:24:26.000 They're fine, at least from what I can see and from what you're saying, is throwing American interest to the wayside as long as they can make a quick buck right now for themselves.

00:24:34.000 And it seems like...

00:24:34.000 And CEFC, as you mentioned, was not this random Chinese company.

00:24:38.000 They were the sort of front and center company for the BRI. And Joe Biden was more than happy to sell his political clout so his family could make a few bucks.

00:24:50.000 At the end of the day, what's it all worth?

00:24:52.000 I don't know.

00:24:53.000 It's very disheartening as an American citizen to know our leaders and unelected officials, even that, would be so happy to sell us out for a few dollars.

00:25:00.000 Yeah.

00:25:01.000 And, you know, as you say, CEFC, the Chinese energy company, was the capitalist arm of the Belt and Road Initiative.

00:25:09.000 And, you know, people have said to me, well, you know, Biden just got a few million dollars, you know, yeah, it's corrupt, but so what?

00:25:18.000 I can just point to Joe Biden's actions as president and say some of it is inexplicable.

00:25:26.000 He did unwind and go soft with some of the Trump era get tough on China policies and You can sort of explain away some of them, but the one that can't be explained away is,

00:25:42.000 I can't remember the exact name of it, but it was this initiative and it was to go into the universities and to find Chinese spies and the academics that they had compromised because China was spying on and stealing our intellectual property.

00:26:02.000 And it was quite a successful program.

00:26:05.000 They did manage to wrap up some spies.

00:26:08.000 They did manage to charge some academics who'd taken bribes.

00:26:11.000 To sell out their country. 0.51

00:26:14.000 And Christopher Wray, the FBI director, no pal of Donald Trump, he was apoplectic when Joe Biden closed this down.

00:26:26.000 And in fact, he made public statements criticizing that decision.

00:26:30.000 Joe Biden never explained why he would shut that down.

00:26:33.000 Seemed to be in America's worst interest to shut it down.

00:26:36.000 And allow the Chinese free reign to spy at our top research institutions. 1.00

00:26:43.000 The only explanation I could ever find was that it was racist to target Chinese, which is so ridiculous. 0.95

00:26:50.000 But, you know, it's the sort of excuse that shuts down further inquiry.

00:26:54.000 Well, that's the entire excuse that shut down any inquiry to the origins of COVID, which would have saved millions upon millions of lives and economies the world over.

00:27:01.000 Exactly.

00:27:02.000 And remember when Donald Trump was president and COVID first started breaking out and he immediately went to shut down flights from China and was called racist.

00:27:14.000 And who was front and center calling him racist?

00:27:16.000 Joe Biden.

00:27:17.000 Well, Nancy Pelosi was saying we needed to go to Chinatown and hug people.

00:27:20.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:27:21.000 That was just a very strange PR stunt.

00:27:22.000 But the last question I want to ask on China before we move on is, Obviously, Biden's out.

00:27:28.000 Kamala's in.

00:27:29.000 Do you think that China...

00:27:31.000 How do you think they view that transition?

00:27:34.000 Or do they care one way or the other?

00:27:37.000 And to that degree, as you've sort of touched on, what influence does China have in our domestic institutions, like our three-letter agencies, like our universities?

00:27:46.000 You said they don't want the American people to know.

00:27:49.000 Is it because...

00:27:50.000 It's actually extremely scary if the American people were to know what kind of influence our biggest adversary had in our domestic politics.

00:27:57.000 Yes, but also it's very hard to extricate the American economy from China. 0.95

00:28:05.000 You know, the stock market would take a big hit.

00:28:08.000 No president wants that.

00:28:10.000 Donald Trump was putting big tariffs on China, really mainly as a threat.

00:28:15.000 And he would make them do things they didn't want to do in America's interests in order not to have those tariffs put on their goods.

00:28:24.000 That seemed to be a pretty good blunt instrument.

00:28:28.000 And I think, you know, to be fair, I think Biden's continued on with some of that tariff regime.

00:28:38.000 In terms of Kamala Harris and Tim Walz, Tim Walz very much mirrors Joe Biden in terms of his relationship with China.

00:28:49.000 Like Joe Biden, at an early stage, he was captured and captivated by the Chinese. 0.98

00:28:56.000 Tim Walz has had something like 30 of these strange trips to China, supposedly taking students there.

00:29:05.000 We know from some reporting that's been done from his former students that he, like Joe Biden, just is enamoured of Chinese and Chinese communism, talks about how clean it is, how law and order is so tight there under an authoritarian regime.

00:29:26.000 You know, he loves communism or Maoism, according to some of his former students.

00:29:31.000 He's come back and said how wonderful it is.

00:29:33.000 He's passing out little red books.

00:29:35.000 Exactly.

00:29:36.000 That's insane.

00:29:36.000 And look, sorry, Joe Biden, when he was a young senator, remember he came into the Senate, he won his election by a fluke, by a few thousand votes in Delaware at the age of 29.

00:29:49.000 So he was a very young senator, the youngest senator At the time, at the age of 30.

00:29:56.000 So very malleable.

00:29:57.000 He didn't really have a good education.

00:30:00.000 He didn't have much knowledge of foreign relations and foreign policy.

00:30:06.000 So he was very quickly taken up and captured.

00:30:11.000 Even with such a paltry background, he became one of the most powerful senators.

00:30:17.000 He was on arguably the most powerful committee, the Foreign Relations Committee, for a decade as either the chairman or the ranking member.

00:30:26.000 This is a guy, really, you would not choose him to do that job.

00:30:30.000 He was chosen.

00:30:32.000 By people that obviously thought that he would be useful.

00:30:35.000 And like Tim Waltz, he was one of the first senators to go on this trip to China.

00:30:42.000 He went to the equivalent of Martha's Vineyard to meet all the top CCP officials and came back waxing lyrical, just like Tim Waltz, in such an embarrassing, gushing way that the Weekly Standard at the time, I think this was in like the early 70s, Just mocked him mercilessly, put him on the cover and said what a joke he was, you know, the Manchurian candidate.

00:31:05.000 So like Tim Waltz, a sort of a Manchurian candidate, certainly someone who feels that he has a good pipeline to The CCP officialdom and feels, as Joe Biden always boasted, he had many hours of speaking to President Xi.

00:31:24.000 And what President Xi, who has a degree in chemical engineering, pretty intelligent man, what he made of Joe Biden's Constant self-aggrandizing and, you know, bignoting himself.

00:31:36.000 Nobody knows.

00:31:37.000 But I don't think it's helpful for America to have a man like Joe Biden and a man like Tim Walts representing, you know, our highest level of politics to China, because it would lead China to underestimate and think poorly of the intelligence of the average American.

00:32:00.000 Absolutely.

00:32:01.000 And we all know that China's working on a very finite timeline right now with Xi's age and kind of the closing window with demographics.

00:32:06.000 The last thing we need is leadership in our country that is not stalwart in opposition to the CCP's ambitions.

00:32:13.000 And I just can't imagine that the CCP looks at a potential Harris-Walls regime with, you know, a lot of fear in their hearts.

00:32:20.000 Not at all.

00:32:22.000 If that, and I think we all agree, I think if you read anybody that is at all knowledgeable on foreign affairs, or even somebody that has traveled the slightest bit, they would say, okay, Russia's, they're maybe not the greatest actor. 0.86

00:32:34.000 Maybe they have some...

00:32:36.000 Ambitions that don't necessarily align with Western values, sure, but they're not really an existential threat to the United States.

00:32:42.000 China is.

00:32:43.000 They have the potential to be.

00:32:44.000 They have the economy.

00:32:44.000 They have every supply chain, everything important that we use from pharmaceuticals to our own weapons runs through a supply chain sourced in China.

00:32:52.000 Every single rare earth that we use in our missiles has to come from China because we didn't want to kill a desert tortoise in the 1990s.

00:33:02.000 Yet Russia preoccupies and Ukraine preoccupies the minds of the State Department.

00:33:07.000 Please explain this to me.

00:33:10.000 Well, I just have two theories.

00:33:13.000 The one is it's to take eyes off China and the other is You know, there's this fantasy that somehow they can supplant Russia as the supplier of most of Europe's energy with Ukraine.

00:33:32.000 And that does not make sense.

00:33:35.000 I mean, I've heard people say it in these Washington think tanks, but Ukraine has 3% of the shale gas deposits that Russia has.

00:33:48.000 So it's just not going to be able to fulfill the needs of Europe.

00:33:53.000 It's sort of a dream of the blob to sever Russia because that's where Russia really gets its wealth from its And Putin has failed his people by not weaning them off, just using their mineral wealth, their gas under the ground.

00:34:14.000 High value-added economy.

00:34:15.000 No.

00:34:16.000 So they're still dependent on money from their sales of their oil to Europe.

00:34:23.000 And Europe is still dependent.

00:34:26.000 On Russia.

00:34:28.000 And even though when the Ukraine war broke out, there have been efforts to try and wean Europe off Russian energy, it's just very difficult. 0.95

00:34:39.000 And especially when, you know, American What is it?

00:34:45.000 LPG exports were curtailed.

00:34:50.000 I think the Biden administration realized that that's something that they've got to do, even though it goes against their climate activists in their own party who are trying to just stop all fossil fuels.

00:35:03.000 So it's that friction, I think, for the Democrats between that necessity to maybe try and be an alternate supplier of energy and keeping their climate crazies in their party happy.

00:35:19.000 Ukraine also, I mean, there's the issue, I think, with Russia.

00:35:23.000 There's a hatred in the State Department for the fact that Russia is an orthodox Christian country.

00:35:28.000 It's the same sort of hatred that is aimed against Viktor Orban in Hungary.

00:35:35.000 And this sort of new imperialism of the State Department.

00:35:40.000 And I think that's being done without the American people's knowledge or approval, which is that they're exporting this sort of what used to be truth, justice and the American way, but now that includes the rainbow agenda. 0.94

00:35:56.000 And that's, you know, all the, you know, trans ideology, which You know, I know the State Department had some sort of a program where they gave money to, I can't remember the country, but I think it was like, maybe it was Indonesia or it was, you know, it was a very conservative Southeast Asian country, I think.

00:36:20.000 And they had a drag queen storytime project.

00:36:25.000 And, you know, when they were in Afghanistan before the fall, the brand new expensive embassy in Kabul had a pride flag hanging over it.

00:36:34.000 Taliban's a huge fan of that.

00:36:36.000 Yeah.

00:36:36.000 I mean, why would you deliberately go out and antagonize the very people that your diplomacy and the American people's billions of dollars is being spent rebuilding roads and schools and so on, and export this divisive ideology that these conservative Right.

00:37:11.000 In Russia, Vladimir Putin has allied himself with the Orthodox Church.

00:37:15.000 And I don't think that's necessarily because he is particularly a religious man. 0.98

00:37:20.000 I mean, he's former KGB, he's a killer. 0.53

00:37:22.000 I have no illusions about Vladimir Putin being a good... 0.62

00:37:26.000 It's a pragmatic alliance.

00:37:28.000 100%, because it's given him the power that he has.

00:37:31.000 And so the Orthodox Church is against LBGT, Trans stuff in particular.

00:37:39.000 And so that, I think, has set the State Department on a really antagonistic pathway against Putin.

00:37:52.000 Regime change is something that's not said aloud unless you're Joe Biden and you've lost your filter.

00:37:59.000 He actually did talk about regime change with Putin.

00:38:02.000 But I have no doubt there are people in the US State Department who would like nothing better than to topple And for those reasons, they see him as anti-gay.

00:38:14.000 And it's when they say gay, it's not really gay, it's anti-trans, which I think is the last bastion of toppling those traditional values.

00:38:26.000 And I mean, I think Putin and the Orthodox Church there is anti-gay in the way that Ron DeSantis has been accused of being, simply because he doesn't want children At the age of 12 being put on the path of having cross-sex hormones and changing their sex and going through social transitioning which most of them end up means that they do have surgery and hormones to change their sex and at a time

00:38:56.000 time when they haven't really figured out what they want.

00:38:59.000 And so all Rhonda Sanders and all, I think, all of these so-called anti-gay measures are the opposite.

00:39:06.000 They're actually about not forcing kids that might be gay into changing sex when they might just find out at the age of 18 that they're just gay.

00:39:18.000 Yeah. 0.64

00:39:19.000 But so this is a really rancid ideology that has somehow crept into American sort of cultural imperialism.

00:39:27.000 And that's rejected by Americans themselves, most of them, and certainly is rejected by these very conservative countries like Russia, like Hungary, like these Islamic countries like Afghanistan.

00:39:41.000 And all that happens is that it damages America's interests and makes the people in these countries hate America.

00:39:49.000 Yeah, I mean, it's a far cry from blue jeans and Coca-Cola.

00:39:51.000 100%.

00:39:52.000 And I don't think Americans, the average American, I certainly didn't realise it.

00:39:56.000 I was just flabbergasted at how this ideology, which is so foreign to most societies, would have crept in and...

00:40:08.000 And become an agenda at the State Department and especially under Obama.

00:40:14.000 And I think it remained there during the Trump era.

00:40:17.000 He didn't really have a lot of control over the bureaucracy.

00:40:21.000 I don't know if it's possible to have that.

00:40:23.000 I don't know if he does win if in four years he's going to be able to get a hold of the State Department, the CIA, the FBI. I'm not sure that he can.

00:40:33.000 Yeah, I mean, I hope so.

00:40:34.000 I think the last thing we need is Rahm Emanuel telling the Japanese they need to be more progressive with their LGBTQ values.

00:40:39.000 No, I'm sympathetic to the Polish and the Estonians and the Finnish that say, okay, maybe we want to work something out because we think that Russia wants to, you know, do a little bit of imperialism in our backyards because they have hinted at that.

00:40:51.000 Fine, but I'm not good with the United States using all of its political, social, and military capital in a theater that isn't really existential to our well-being.

00:41:02.000 And also to deliberately antagonise Russia by enlarging NATO, which was something that Joe Biden has had as one of his...

00:41:14.000 I presume he's got this idea from the people who control him.

00:41:20.000 But enlarging NATO, people like Victoria Nuland, all these neocon walks...

00:41:26.000 That's been their primary purpose.

00:41:28.000 Even though Russia and Putin have said, don't do it, don't come up to my border with Ukraine and Georgia, in particular, as being part of NATO, because that means that, you know, it would be as if, in America, as if Russia put its missiles right on the border with Mexico.

00:41:50.000 It's a provocative action and unnecessary.

00:41:55.000 Yeah, clearly Bucharest in 2008 was a red line for Putin.

00:41:58.000 Georgia was a red line and Ukraine is an extreme red line. 0.92

00:42:01.000 And even if our intentions were ambivalent, if it was we just, we think enlarging the Western group of nations is a good thing, fine, but you have to look at it from the Russian perspective.

00:42:12.000 They're obviously going to see that as a threat.

00:42:16.000 The Polish and the Finnish and the Estonians that pushed for NATO. It wasn't just the United States pushing them to join.

00:42:24.000 They also wanted it.

00:42:25.000 I get it.

00:42:26.000 There is a conversation to be had there.

00:42:28.000 But you have to look from Russia's perspective how they're going to perceive things and then undertake appropriate diplomacy going forward.

00:42:37.000 Not totally disregard them as a sovereign nation.

00:42:39.000 So I don't disagree with you there.

00:42:41.000 I do think that America owes something to Ukraine because, and again, Joe Biden was involved in this, but as a senator then on the Foreign Relations Committee and vocal, in getting Ukraine to give up its nuclear arsenal.

00:42:58.000 Right.

00:42:58.000 Which was very reluctant to do because it felt that was its only bulwark against Russia.

00:43:04.000 So I do feel Ukraine is a little different and that we do owe... 1.00

00:43:10.000 Something to it.

00:43:11.000 But I agree with Donald Trump when he says that Putin never would have aggressed into Ukraine if he had been president because there would have been competence and a threat.

00:43:24.000 And I think when you put an incompetent president like Joe Biden or like Kamala Harris would be into office and disasters naturally will happen and very early on In Joe Biden's term came the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan, which told all the bad actors in the world, like Vladimir Putin, that it was open season, make hay while the sun shines.

00:43:48.000 Absolute disaster showed utter incompetence.

00:43:51.000 And I think we showed a similar thing when And Biden decided he wanted a talking point during the State of the Union, the last one he did, and he decided to have that pier built in Gaza, which was a disaster.

00:44:07.000 Like, how much did it cost?

00:44:09.000 Billions of dollars to float away into the ocean.

00:44:09.000 Billions of dollars.

00:44:11.000 Float away for a few days it was out there.

00:44:12.000 And that just showcased a terrible thing, which was the mighty American military, which, second to none in the world, logistical feats beyond, showed that it was actually...

00:44:26.000 Had feet of clay, that it wasn't actually as competent as everyone thought.

00:44:30.000 That's another disaster that's, I guess, been underestimated.

00:44:34.000 But the signal that that sends to the world, having our astronauts stuck in space, that Elon Musk has to come to the rescue, there's another sign of incompetence.

00:44:46.000 So I think that the signals that the Biden administration The feckless incompetence of Joe Biden and the people he's amassed around him, I think that the results of that will have ramifications into the future that we can't even tell yet.

00:45:07.000 But what we do know is that one of them was that Russia felt emboldened, like it did under Obama, to invade its neighbour.

00:45:15.000 And I think a strong United States is needed, a strong...

00:45:21.000 And that's why Donald Trump, for all his faults, he acts like a gangster, you know?

00:45:29.000 And, you know, you're in a world of gangsters. 0.96

00:45:32.000 You're in a world of wolves.

00:45:33.000 You have to be like that.

00:45:34.000 You can't be some fae, you know, Parisian, brought-up Antony Blinken.

00:45:40.000 I mean, Antony Blinken.

00:45:41.000 Yeah.

00:45:41.000 He was basically conducting foreign policy while Biden was sort of AWOL, and he's just not cut out for it.

00:45:50.000 His very first meeting with the Chinese, the sort of wolf leaders of China, they were shouting at him across the desk and he put up with it. 1.00

00:45:59.000 It's fine for Antony Blinken You know, went to school in Paris, speaks a million languages, is, you know, this Europhile guy.

00:46:09.000 It's fine for him to think, oh, well, I'm a man enough.

00:46:13.000 I don't feel aggrieved by having the Chinese shout at me.

00:46:17.000 You know, I don't care about those sorts of things.

00:46:19.000 It's America they're shouting at.

00:46:21.000 It's American weakness he's projecting. 0.90

00:46:24.000 And when Donald Trump muscles his way into the front of a photograph with the G20... You know, people like Antony Blinken back home in Washington are saying, oh, he's such a brute, he's so embarrassing.

00:46:36.000 Yes, good.

00:46:37.000 He's being a gangster on the international stage where it's dog eat dog, it's a jungle, and you need a tough...

00:46:47.000 Gangster guy like Trump who understands how gangsters operate because he was operating in, you know, the property development world in New York.

00:46:58.000 He knows how it works. 0.97

00:47:00.000 He survived that shark tank.

00:47:02.000 And so that's why Putin and Xi and people like that, Kim Jong-un, were all back in their boxes under Donald Trump.

00:47:12.000 They have no fear and no respect for Joe Biden, Antony Blinken, Kamala Harris or Tim Walz.

00:47:20.000 In a world of gangsters, you want your gangster to be the best.

00:47:20.000 Yeah.

00:47:23.000 That's right.

00:47:24.000 Like you mentioned, though, and the last thing I wanted to touch on, kind of bring it back a little bit, is the corruption.

00:47:29.000 But corruption is what breeds the incompetence.

00:47:32.000 And we know there's corruption at the federal level.

00:47:34.000 We've talked about that.

00:47:35.000 But it permeates throughout.

00:47:37.000 It's at your state.

00:47:38.000 It's at your local levels.

00:47:39.000 And that's sort of where our institutions crossed was with the reporting that we did recently in New York with the Department of Justice, with Nicholas Biazzi talking about how the Manhattan DA's office in Alvin Bragg was essentially conducting lawfare to enhance his profile, or Jay Varma, possibly the most cartoonishly corrupt official that I've ever laid eyes on, the COVID czar.

00:48:03.000 He was in charge of New York City's COVID response, and he worked with de Blasio.

00:48:07.000 I guess my question is, since we kind of crossed paths in that and you get to have an ear to the ground in New York City, does the kind of reporting that we like to think that we're doing here and that you're at the New York Post are doing as well, did that make a difference in New York?

00:48:23.000 Do those stories change the way New Yorkers perceive the world around them?

00:48:28.000 Like, what's gone on since those stories have actually broken?

00:48:31.000 Absolutely.

00:48:31.000 I mean, they're crucial.

00:48:33.000 I think those sort of stories that you were doing Grassroot stories on the ground with local officials are more important than any national story because the corruption doesn't just begin in Washington.

00:48:47.000 Washington's, you know, been corrupt as long as Washington's been there.

00:48:51.000 It's equal opportunity corruption.

00:48:53.000 But in these cities and states like New York that are now...

00:48:59.000 Basically one party states and one party cities.

00:49:04.000 Corruption's out of control.

00:49:06.000 There's no opposition research really to speak of.

00:49:10.000 The Republicans have pretty much given up.

00:49:14.000 And so it's just this...

00:49:17.000 Swamp this morass.

00:49:18.000 And if you don't have journalists who really are willing to speak truth to power and kind of mavericks like you guys who are willing to go and do that undercover work that's so frowned upon by establishment journalism.

00:49:36.000 You know, those stories would never have come out.

00:49:39.000 And I think the fact that you had the spokesman for the Southern District of New York for their prosecution team and New York has been the basis of a lot of the lawfare against Donald Trump.

00:49:57.000 The fact that he was actually saying that some of these cases against Donald Trump were ridiculous and were regarded as not real law, not good law, by a lot of the prosecutors, that was news.

00:50:10.000 And it sort of accorded with our gut feeling that this was completely unfair and unjust lawfare done for political purposes by Democrat-aligned, corrupted prosecutors for purely the purpose of making sure that Donald Trump didn't win the election.

00:50:31.000 That seemed like, on a gut level, what it was, but you could never prove it.

00:50:36.000 And you guys went some way to giving us evidence to prove it.

00:50:41.000 And then, oh, with the repellent COVID czar, you know, again, this is something that New Yorkers in their guts knew who lived through the pandemic in New York, knew that there was so much hypocrisy going on, knew that there were speakeasies where people were, you know, making merry while...

00:51:03.000 While we were supposed to be, you know, shut down, that the virus really wasn't as lethal as we were being told, that the vaccine really didn't stop the virus.

00:51:14.000 We were still getting, you know, this mild cold for most people.

00:51:18.000 I mean, not downplaying it.

00:51:19.000 There were people who died, of course, but they were, for the most part, elderly or had comorbidities, right?

00:51:28.000 And that was something that in Florida, Ron DeSantis quickly ascertained from the right Medical people that he had around him, people like Jay Bhattacharya, Marty McCary, and so on, who were trying to sound the alarm to the American people early on.

00:51:42.000 But in cities like New York, where it seemed like everyone was taking, the Democrats were taking Jane Fonda's adage, which was, What she said early on in the pandemic, that COVID is God's gift to the left, that it was an instrument of control.

00:51:59.000 And so you have this COVID czar who is there setting policy for the mayor, de Blasio, which is one of the most stringent lockdowns in the country.

00:52:11.000 And New Yorkers, you know, were forced to take the vaccine that they didn't need and didn't really want just to be able to have a life.

00:52:19.000 That was so wrong.

00:52:21.000 And businesses went out of business.

00:52:23.000 There was a lot of suffering and heartache in New York.

00:52:27.000 New York has not recovered.

00:52:28.000 You know, there are whole areas of Ninth Avenue and so on that are still empty shops, restaurants that have gone bust.

00:52:37.000 A lot of people moved out of New York because it was just very difficult to live there.

00:52:42.000 Therefore, The city's tax revenues gone down.

00:52:47.000 And all of this was because they didn't do the right sensible thing and take advice from proper impartial doctors like Ron DeSantis did in Florida, which became a mecca for a lot of New Yorkers.

00:53:01.000 And has grown in its economy enormously as a result.

00:53:05.000 It's thriving.

00:53:07.000 New York is failing.

00:53:08.000 And it's all because we had a terrible mayor who was taking advice from this dishonest COVID czar who you now busted, you know, in his own words, allegedly having these sex parties during COVID because he knew himself that it wasn't as lethal as he was making out to the rest of the city.

00:53:28.000 It's Yeah, and I think this, I hesitate to use the term special and I'll end with this, but when we selected that story and we have to look at all the factors if it's something we want to cover, there's a lot of risk involved with something like that, where obviously with the Hunter Biden laptop there's enormous amounts of risk.

00:53:46.000 But I think where these kind of stories resonate with audiences is that they truly are bipartisan and interest.

00:53:52.000 This doesn't affect Republicans more, it doesn't affect Democrats more, it affects Americans and their ability to live freely in their communities.

00:53:59.000 And that's only known because of quality journalism.

00:54:02.000 I'm definitely not taking credit for it.

00:54:04.000 The team here behind me.

00:54:05.000 And then obviously your entire team at the New York Post.

00:54:05.000 Absolutely.

00:54:09.000 Is there hope for the future of journalism that these kind of stories will become more commonplace and there will be less political interest in what is given the light of day and what is being decided to be covered?

00:54:21.000 I do think so.

00:54:22.000 And I think you can see that, again, not in a direct way, but an indirect way by the efforts that are being made by those in power, by the establishment, by the controllers, the deep state, the people I've been talking about in this book, in trying to bring down the dark veil of censorship in America, which is antithetical to American DNA and also to the Constitution, to the First Amendment.

00:54:51.000 This is why America alone, I think, in the world has managed to withstand what Michael Schellenberger calls the censorship industrial complex.

00:55:02.000 In Europe, in Australia, in New Zealand, in the UK, you have seen censorship just So dramatically increased since COVID to the point where people are being thrown in jail for making statements on social media that the establishment doesn't agree with.

00:55:23.000 We suffered that here, that we saw that when the New York Post stories on the laptop were censored.

00:55:30.000 But at that same time, there were other stories being censored about COVID, about The origins of COVID, about the efficacy of the vaccine, about the efficacy of masks and so on.

00:55:43.000 All of that was censored.

00:55:45.000 And even to the point of memes that were mocking Jill Biden were also censored.

00:55:52.000 There was a situation where you had Politicians and bureaucrats were sending messages to Facebook and Twitter telling them to shut down this story.

00:56:05.000 You had FBI and CIA operatives were embedded in those, and still probably are, in those social media companies.

00:56:13.000 There were so many, at one point, CIA and FBI people embedded at Twitter that they had, we know this from the Twitter files, that they had their own kind of Slack channel or their own kind of You know, group anyway, that they had their own email group.

00:56:31.000 And we saw at Twitter the FBI's former chief legal counsel, a guy by the name of James Baker, he was parachuted into Twitter eight months before the election to make sure Well, it certainly appeared that way, I'll say allegedly, to make sure that stories that were going to be detrimental to Joe Biden and the Biden campaign didn't see the light of day.

00:57:01.000 That seemed to be certainly his role.

00:57:04.000 And whatever other stories that the FBI or the powers that be didn't want to be aired or to get a lot of traction.

00:57:12.000 That's what they managed to do and we only know about this because Elon Musk bought Twitter and opened up the files that became the Twitter files that Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger and Barry Weiss and so on Managed to put out a whole lot of good stories exposing that kind of censorship.

00:57:33.000 And then we've had some really good court cases.

00:57:36.000 There was Missouri v Biden, which has a new name now.

00:57:41.000 That went all the way to the Supreme Court and did put...

00:57:43.000 It's still being litigated, but it did put a crimp in the censorship process.

00:57:50.000 And then, you know, reporting of our own whistleblowers that have come forward from the FBI, not from the CIA, as far as I know.

00:57:50.000 Regime.

00:58:01.000 And so that sort of environment where whistleblowers feel comfortable to come forward, where there is reporting being done, that encourages more reporting of that kind.

00:58:15.000 As young journalists come forward and they see the power of that kind of reporting and their ability to do it almost alone in small groups like yours, citizen journalists, I guess, because of the way that technology has gone, they don't have to go and get a job at the New York Times where those stories are not being reported, where it's controlled information, controlled journalism.

00:58:41.000 I think young journalists don't want to be part of that.

00:58:43.000 Right.

00:58:44.000 Well, it's also nice to have some legacy media on our side.

00:58:47.000 Please continue.

00:58:49.000 Very few and far between.

00:58:51.000 The New York Post, Fox News, really, we're the last of that legacy media.

00:58:59.000 And then there's a whole constellation of fantastic publications that have come up.

00:59:03.000 Yeah.

00:59:04.000 Well, no, I mean, like the Washington Examiner, like, you know, the Free Beacon, you know, Daily Wire and so on.

00:59:12.000 Like, they're all these smaller media organisations that are growing up and coming out of the internet and doing good work as well.

00:59:22.000 So, but we're just, we're old school.

00:59:24.000 We've the oldest newspaper in the country, continuously published.

00:59:28.000 And I think we're the fourth biggest by circulation.

00:59:32.000 So we're up there with the big guys and still managing to hang in there and do the right thing.

00:59:38.000 But there's a huge amount of pressure and very powerful people that are arrayed against Fox News and the New York Post and demonise what we do.

00:59:50.000 I mean, New York Post is fairly middle of the road.

00:59:53.000 I mean, you know, right of centre, but not extreme right.

00:59:57.000 And yet we're downgraded in these sort of new organisations that have grown up, like they're called NewsGuard, they're fact-checking organisations.

01:00:07.000 They relegate the New York Post to sort of some sort of fringe outfit and they elevate New York Times and Washington Post, which are responsible for the most disinformation we've seen on COVID, Wuhan, and particularly on the Russiagate, all the Donald Trump demonisation stories, which, you know, have turned out not to be true.

01:00:30.000 Under Biden Laptop, they refused to report it.

01:00:33.000 They reported that it was Russian disinformation.

01:00:35.000 They're very gullible when it comes to accepting the lies that are told by the cabal, the deep state cabal, told by the Biden White House.

01:00:45.000 They're very happy to accept that as the God's honest truth.

01:00:50.000 Which is weird.

01:00:51.000 It's not what journalism used to be.

01:00:52.000 No, it's not.

01:00:53.000 And hopefully it's not what it is in the future.

01:00:55.000 And hopefully we can continue making dents in that facade anyway.

01:00:58.000 But before we end up, where can people find your book?

01:01:01.000 Where's the best place to get it?

01:01:02.000 Because it is fascinating.

01:01:05.000 Well, The Big Guy, it's available at all good bookstores and obviously on Amazon.

01:01:05.000 Thank you.

01:01:11.000 It's done very well.

01:01:12.000 It hasn't done quite as well as Laptop from Hell, but it was number eight on Amazon.

01:01:16.000 Number eight?

01:01:17.000 I think.

01:01:18.000 Anyway, my editor told me it was number eight, should have been number eight in the New York Times bestseller list in its first week.

01:01:25.000 Of course, it didn't appear anywhere there.

01:01:27.000 No.

01:01:28.000 No.

01:01:28.000 It's shocking.

01:01:29.000 Same with Laptop from Hell, which was number one on Amazon of all books.

01:01:29.000 Funny about it.

01:01:34.000 And this book was number eight.

01:01:36.000 But anyway, there we go.

01:01:37.000 Well, thank you so much.

01:01:38.000 I appreciate everything.

01:01:39.000 I had a great time talking with you.

01:01:41.000 Thank you.

Louder with Crowder - October 25, 2024

Let’s Talk About It: Miranda Devine

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