On this episode of Ash Wednesday, the boys are joined by YouTuber Jeremy the Quartering to talk about cigars, homeopathic medicine, and more. Plus, a special guest joins the show to discuss his recent trip to Las Vegas.
00:00:47.000You can watch him on Rumble at 5.30 Eastern.
00:00:50.000Jeremy the Courting has been a fan, sorry, a friend of the show, and we've been a fan of his for a while.
00:00:54.000I know I kind of pre-lit that for you, but if now... You sell me out immediately?
00:00:58.000Well, no, because a lot of people who want to look like they smoke cigars, they don't realize that if you light it unevenly, you're actually not getting the blend that they intended.
00:01:07.000But now they're going to know I didn't know that.
00:01:44.000And then you have some people—well, you were saying when you were staying here at the hotel, before we get into some of these topics, there are some crazy people who've been trying to offer you—once they found out you were a YouTuber, right?
00:03:47.000So, I try to stay aware of, you know, what's the next thing.
00:03:52.000There are a handful of supplements that actually are kind of proven.
00:03:55.000You know, one is creatine that people sort of know about.
00:03:57.000I mean, if you need a multivitamin, turmeric or cumin is one, and fish oil, and some people even argue about that.
00:04:03.000Then there are others for specific issues that maybe make sense, but when they sell something as, like you said, a panacea, a cure-all, no single substance can do all those things.
00:04:40.000Like, here's the thing, no one says, you know, wake up and drink, you have a problem, but wake and bake and you can get at the gas station, like, 250 milligram gummies where you're on the moon.
00:05:36.000This is interesting, too, because, and I want to get into why you kind of got into this space, you know, with my background, you know, started acting when I was a teenager and doing stand-up that are my later teens, how someone kind of gets into the space from your, you know, walk in life.
00:06:04.000And they'll approach you and they'll often offer a lot of money because they've just run some numbers, they've looked at the algorithms, and the product is trash.
00:06:11.000Or, well, these are also usually the companies that say, you have to tell everyone you take it, and tell everyone that you, I have a hard line in the sand, like, I will promote a product, but I won't say I take it if I don't take it.
00:06:26.000Or they'll say, I've had people say like, oh, well, what you really gotta do is say, oh, I just stumbled across this crazy thing, and they'll say, I don't do that.
00:06:34.000Because, first of all, when it's like health supplements, I'm like, my viewers are like, come on, player.
00:06:39.000But then like, In general, I would imagine if it's covered in cheese.
00:06:45.000If it's cheese or fried, they're going to say, okay, yeah, I believe this guy.
00:06:49.000I believe that he consumes this or some sort of liquor or beer, but usually it's the health space that's very, I'm very cautious about.
00:07:09.000Early on, I just didn't want to be beholden to it.
00:07:11.000So every sponsor that we've used is either someone who I reached out to, was a product that I happened to use, or something that I thought was useful.
00:07:46.000For example, I have the drug test to prove it.
00:07:49.000I use CB Distillery after my surgery because they can only write seven days of pain prescriptions, and when you do whole life insurance tests and you have to do blood work, they're like, oh yeah, what's this?
00:07:58.000Because there's THC when it's even 0.3% and add the QR code or the lab certificate.
00:08:03.000And I go, oh, OK, well that makes sense.
00:08:05.000So I have literally the drug test to prove that I use it, or Walther.
00:08:25.000I shouldn't say this, but... And they were like, the person who sells the most Decker clothing this month gets, I don't know, some kind of a prize.
00:08:34.000And I saw that there was this guy who came in with his mom, who obviously didn't know how to dress, and I sold him this god-awful Euro trash clothing, and I did it one time.
00:09:27.000Everyone's just like, whatever, I'll take the money, I'll take the ad money.
00:09:29.000It's the same reason I don't do gambling ads.
00:09:31.000No disrespect to people that do, I just, I have an addictive personality, so I don't want to like people, I don't want to do gambling ads, that kind of stuff.
00:12:43.000Well, some UFC fighters have used those to cut weight, you know, because they don't necessarily... Yeah, it's a real thing.
00:12:49.000Saunas, but then you sweat a little more sometimes with the infrared, so there's one time a fighter who... And you don't, yeah, you lose more, but it's not as obvious.
00:13:18.000Well, our crew, there's a guy out there who does a podcast, and he said that an infrared sauna, so I don't even know if we need this paper, we're just going, it's a little inside baseball here, again, the quartering, you can, best place is X or rumble.
00:13:31.000And I want to go back to that, but there was a guy who said, you know, the sauna has actually proven to increase your growth hormone and testosterone by 400 or 600 percent, and my friend Shale Sun, and he was a fighter, and you've seen, he has a relatively popular podcast, he said, look, look, If this was true, he said, you can't, through steroids, get your testosterone to 600%.
00:13:50.000And I know because I was trying and I got caught.
00:13:53.000But if you were looking for a job with the New York Yankees and you said, I can increase your players' testosterone by 600%, they would fire the other coaches, they wouldn't even need to practice, and they would give you a million dollars.
00:14:14.000Because I think you and I both benefited from circumventing gatekeepers, right?
00:14:19.000But there also is a challenge with, I don't know if you see some people where the truth doesn't matter at all, and it's just collecting cash.
00:14:28.000So how do you think that gets balanced going forward?
00:14:31.000Well, I think you can only burn people's trust so many times.
00:14:34.000I mean, early on, even, you know, I would do a lot of ads on my channel, and then I would start to see the people in the comments like, oh, it's too many ads.
00:14:44.000He did too many ads, this, that, and the other thing.
00:14:48.000And then if you get caught up, obviously, the very real part of it is, you know, you get caught up selling something and then your viewers don't blame the company, they blame you.
00:15:00.000And so people were pretty pissed off at me that they didn't actually own land in Scotland.
00:15:06.000I mean, I immediately came out, I was like, hey, I thought it was just like a meme gift.
00:15:10.000I thought it was a novelty gift, honestly.
00:15:13.000What I basically said was, it became a thing, someone did an exposed video,
00:15:18.000and then everyone's emailing me, calling me a scammer.
00:15:19.000I'm like, nobody in my audience actually thinks they're a lord.
00:15:24.000It's like a goofball gift that you buy for whatever dollars, you know?
00:15:29.000But had that not have been, had I sold it dishonestly, I sold it as a gift, as a meme.
00:15:36.000If, had I sold it dishonestly, you lose your credibility, and people will call you sellout, and they'll just stop watching.
00:15:42.000I think it takes, it kind of fixes itself.
00:15:45.000Well, I think, I agree with you most, but I disagree in one way, in the sense that you, you're one of the few people who will get into this idea of preparation, where you actually do, like, a show, and you prepare, right, and you have segments, and you have assets that you have ready.
00:15:58.000So for that, for some of the people tune into a scheduled viewing, you know, yes, you lose their trust.
00:16:04.000But for people, there are businesses out there where they just go, we're just going to use the algorithm for a reel and a reel and a five-second view, where no one's actually investing any trust.
00:16:12.000It's just, oh, this popped up in my feed, and this is shareable.
00:16:16.000You can still make a lot of money that way and keep burning the trust bridge over and over, and no one cares.
00:16:21.000Yeah, this is true of like Instagram and TikTok where they're already short form and they're set up.
00:16:27.000I think this is the way that Axe is going to go to.
00:16:30.000They're going to turn into marketplaces because that's really a great way to make money for them, which I'm not against, but you're right.
00:16:36.000There's a lot of, you know, kind of scummy products out there.
00:16:41.000I think that I think you just have to hope that people have some level of integrity.
00:16:49.000I've always said, for example, I'll do ads for mobile games.
00:16:54.000But because of the way that the YouTube algorithm has changed in the way that when you're conservative or even perceived conservative, your viewers kind of know.
00:17:06.000I found that when I did ads, my viewers were like, ah, oh, here's another ad from some whatever mobile game.
00:17:12.000But everyone was always like, dude, who cares?
00:17:15.000People would just say, hey, they get demonetized all the time, they get suppressed all the time, they gotta eat.
00:17:20.000So there was really a change around the adpocalypse, thanks to somebody in this room.
00:19:03.000Sometimes I do videos like roasting Disney or something, and then people be like, God, Disney bought an ad on your video or Disney, you know.
00:19:37.000Even if you don't like Jeremy, I know this about him.
00:19:41.000It is tough to compete With the lie, with the truth.
00:19:44.000An example that I used recently was where a bunch of people were sending me this tweet that went out saying, 1.2 million new registered voters in Texas in 2024 with no ID.
00:20:01.000And a lot of them were Republicans, too.
00:20:03.000But I had so many people sending it to me, and we did a whole segment on this, like, no, Arizona's not 200,000.
00:20:07.000Texas is not whatever it was, 1.2 million.
00:20:10.000The problem is, you do it, it's right, you know it's right, but the lie gets shared faster because people go, yeah, but this shocks people.
00:20:17.000When the truth is shocking enough, no one should be voting or registering without ID.
00:20:21.000But when you lie about the number, it discredits the conservative movement as a whole.
00:20:24.000Yeah, and there's also, X has turned into a more negative space, I think, for conservative clickbait.
00:20:31.000I saw a video this morning where it was like, Kenny, John Mellencamp has Biden meltdown and gets kicked off stage.
00:20:39.000I looked for a half an hour to find a lot.
00:20:40.000He did have a meltdown and he did quit the show.
00:21:20.000Yeah, Mellencamp, he has TDS terminally.
00:21:27.000For me, if I go to a movie or a music concert, I really don't give a damn about their personal politics, and I'm not there to be preached at.
00:21:36.000And that's essentially, I think somebody in the crowd is like, just play some music or something like that, and he just completely melted down.
00:21:43.000So if he was talking about Biden or Trump or something like that, I would be angry, too.
00:21:48.000I'd be like, oh my god, like... Yeah, I don't care so much if they're... Well, first off, I separate the art from the artist, unless it gets to a certain point where it's so egregious that you have now transformed your art into propaganda.
00:22:18.000And you have some people on the right who do that, where it's like, now America and cigars and whatever it is, and you're going like, yeah, but I'd rather you just be honest about it.
00:22:27.000And most people, if you're honest, are somewhere on the spectrum of reasonable.
00:22:33.000Speaking of insane, though, I did want to ask you, how did you get into this, the YouTube space?
00:22:38.000Because for me, it was having doors slammed, you know, having worked in Hollywood, saying, you know what, I'm going to try this on my own because of my views.
00:22:46.000But I always wondered why, in our kind of generation, because now every kid wants to be a YouTuber, they see it as network television.
00:22:52.000It's one of the number one jobs in high schools now, YouTuber, TikToker.
00:23:06.000So we were what is called an internet marketing incubator.
00:23:09.000So essentially, it was a bunch of marketing people, like you have internal marketing people probably, right?
00:23:15.000Uh, we have people who help me, like they handle social, but we haven't hired like an outside firm, which we probably should at some point.
00:23:47.000Essentially, we used to represent big clients like Dish Network and Oh, so by the way, during the Adpocalypse, I was representing large Fortune 500 companies that just cut off spending altogether because Vox said their ads showed on a neo-Nazi website or something.
00:24:02.000The way that these huge companies reacted to the Adpocalypse was so wild because I was on the marketing side, it disillusioned me completely.
00:24:10.000So I started my own marketing agency, but started making computer repair videos.
00:24:16.000That was my first channel, computer repair videos, and it was like, Just to understand SEO, organic search results.
00:24:24.000And I started making videos and they started getting popular.
00:25:27.000I had started to see this culture war seep into the game where they were essentially very negative about men and say men gatekeeping and so I would start making videos saying like I don't know what you're talking about I play in these local game shops when a girl walks in I want to sing the song, but if a girl walks into the game shop, the guys in there would be tripping over themselves to be nice to her.
00:25:51.000It was like 75 guys on a Saturday, and if one girl came in there, she was a god.
00:25:59.000Yes, you know, like just treated like right and so this all sudden they start running these articles like men are gross
00:26:05.000or gay Keeping one from the game. I'm like, are you kidding me?
00:26:07.000I've seen guys stab each other to like help teach a girl how to play. This is crazy
00:26:11.000So anyway, the people that make the game Wizards of the Coast that one of their high up employees
00:26:16.000I had had a YouTube channel at the time where I talked about stuff
00:27:01.000Like, I was just sitting at the bar, two o'clock in the morning, talking with some viewers from my channel, and all I hear in the background is, are you Jeremy?
00:27:11.000Well, people have been coming up to me, because the gaming community knew me.
00:27:14.000People have been coming up to me all day, like, are you Jeremy from Unsleeved Media or MTG Headquarters?
00:27:36.000He was not a small guy, but he was so crazy that like I got him off me and then I went inside the bar because I'm like, can someone call the cops?
00:31:12.000Now, for those of you just joining us, our contestants today are Totally Not an IRS Agent, renowned musician Kenny G, and Loud with Proud correspondent Thomas Finnegan.
00:31:25.000Now, we're just about finished with puzzle number three, Totally Not an IRS Agent.
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00:33:06.000That's right, they can do all that for you.
00:33:08.000I don't want to know what you needed that for, but I'm sure it was for something...
00:34:35.000But as more people come, more people improve, or the platform improves, the app improves, people are more and more excited to do it.
00:34:41.000I think obviously election season is going to be massive for Rumble and I think more creators in our space need to stop being Yes, and do it?
00:35:02.000So you have to upload your video there manually, which takes a whole 10 freaking seconds, you know, and then a bunch of people who claim to be free speech and anti-censorship people haven't done it.
00:35:12.000I can't tell you how many people have called me behind the scenes saying, Hey, I've had a bunch of videos demonetized.
00:35:16.000I'm afraid the hammer is going to drop.
00:35:17.000I said, well, I hope you have a contingency plan and I'll tell them about Rumble or, you know, if they want to do things with X. I just, obviously Rumble is the one I believe in because of how they've treated us and they were the first place where they actually had the live streaming available and Chris has flipped the bird, Chris Pablowski, the CEO, shout out to him, has flipped the bird to governments where he has not caved in anything.
00:35:36.000And then they call me, these same creators, and they're like, it happened.
00:35:41.000Well, you're going to have a much harder time now because it's not the demonetizing.
00:35:43.000It's now people don't see your content.
00:38:11.000So you mentioned this, too, and I wanted to talk about this.
00:38:15.000Because you're pretty transparent with your audience and you just talked about sort of this toxic masculinity and this was kind of what ushered you into you know your channel and kind of your I guess your initial audience and I know you've talked about this now a lot discussing sort of men's mental health is something that you've discussed quite a bit and also I think having at least a balanced perspective on this sort of red pill movement in recognizing, you know,
00:38:39.000toxic feminism for lack of a better term, where maybe there are people who identify the right
00:38:43.000problems, but the wrong solutions, and I see that happening in the
00:38:47.000space. That's something you touch on quite a bit.
00:38:50.000It's important to me because as a proud lover of men, I care about their future.
00:40:46.000The, you know, so, I'm stuck in this place where a lot of my viewers consume similar content that I think at face value, just like Jerry Springer, is hilarious and fun and entertaining.
00:40:58.000Everybody loves a dumb person getting dunked on.
00:41:05.000I mean, I don't ever want to know if all Maury Povich's paternity tests were real or not because they were always entertaining.
00:41:13.000But I worry that the amount of content that is pushing blame or pushing responsibility off, that isn't to say that The legal system.
00:41:26.000I used to speak at men's rights conferences, and there used to be an aspect of the men's rights movement that would talk about divorce court.
00:41:37.000I forget her name, but the Red Pill documentary.
00:43:39.000And these are guys that just, you know, they had a bad breakup 10 years ago and they checked out and they also consume a lot of content and they say, Jeremy, you don't know what it's like dating out there.
00:43:48.000They're all whores and they're all this and that.
00:44:31.000So my passion is right now to try and just prevent that.
00:44:37.000Too many men have checked out and yes, there are predatory women out there.
00:44:43.000But I think you look at... I'm all over the place, I'm sorry, but you look at... It's a tough subject, and I agree with you.
00:44:48.000It's like people who just go, hoes, this... I agree.
00:44:52.000I think there is a problem that obviously you identified at one point in time, and now people have split off where the solution has kind of become clickbait.
00:45:02.000I just wish that some of these channels that you can be entertaining Like, even at the end of The Price is Right, they say to spay or neuter your dogs.
00:46:17.000So to me, that's what I'm passionate about is trying to prevent people from, you can watch the dunking on hoes stuff and it's funny, but just also know that those same people that are dunking on those hoes are signing up for their OnlyFans accounts too.
00:46:31.000Yeah, I mean, well, for example, we did have Fit and Fresh on the show one time, and again, they were identifying some of the problems.
00:46:38.000And whenever someone is here, even though I disagree, it's my job to be a decent host, because I've invited them either onto my show or Space, and they were talking about, like, look, to get over it, I think they were offering some advice, you know, sleep with a bunch of women.
00:46:57.000Well, that is true, but that's not helping you find the right kind of woman.
00:47:02.000And I think... It's creating more of the women you say are bad, by the way.
00:47:06.000Yeah, and I guess in their mindset it's like, well, a good woman would, you know, pass this kind of litmus test, but it's like, yeah, but it's not your job to do that.
00:47:13.000That just makes the person doing it, you're harming yourself, ultimately.
00:47:54.000And as someone who believes that marriage and that the nuclear family is foundational, right?
00:47:58.000Before you have federal governance, state governance, you need to have self-governance, and that's the nuclear family, and that's why the left attacks it.
00:48:05.000I believe that marriage is bedrock, it's foundational.
00:48:08.000And it's hard for me, with the current system, and I spoke with Dr. Jordan Peterson about this, it's hard for me to recommend it to a young man who's successful.
00:48:18.000Who has a lot to bring to the table without, for example, some kind of a prenuptial agreement.
00:48:22.000Because at any point, the legal system exists where it's like giving one person nukes, right?
00:48:27.000And giving the other person, and this could be whether it's a man or woman, but it really is kind of tilted against the primary provider.
00:48:34.000They go, look, I just don't know, like I have people, they'll say, I've saved up six figures, I've worked, you know, I worked three jobs, didn't take on any student debt.
00:48:42.000And I think that I love this woman, but the truth is at any point she can change her mind and they're afraid.
00:48:47.000And the problem does lie with, in my opinion, the no-fault divorce.
00:48:52.000No-fault divorce started with Dr. Kinsey, the guy who believed that everyone was a little bit gay, and Hugh Hefner.
00:48:58.000Because before that there was either cheating, in which case you were punished, Physical abuse, in which case you were punished.
00:49:04.000Or, if there was no cheating or abuse, abandonment, meaning you can't just renege on a contract.
00:49:08.000So it was never the idea that you could just sleep with your secretary and walk off.
00:49:12.000Kinsey and Hefner were saying that men actually are promiscuous animals.
00:49:18.000They should not be punished for sleeping with multiple women.
00:49:20.000So they said, let's have no-fault divorce, thinking it would result in a man being able to bang his secretary and walk off.
00:49:25.000And instead, it morphed into, actually now, anyone can walk at any point.
00:49:30.000Well, in the percentage, which is debatable, you see this number thrown out there, which I believe is high and debunked.
00:49:36.000It has been debunked, but it is not insignificant.
00:49:39.000There is a high percentage of divorces that are—I won't say the number, because I see a lot of people say, 80% of divorces are initiated by women.
00:50:00.000But I will say to people that tout that is like, well, let's look, I mean, are all 80% of these women just whores that want to take the guy's money?
00:50:09.000No, there's probably a reason that they're getting divorced.
00:50:12.000Well, that is, but infidelity and abuse are not even among the top five listed.
00:50:18.000The number one was like lack of, you know, he's no longer communicating or feeling like, you know, they aren't as invested.
00:50:24.000Irrevocable differences is probably, or what is it?
00:50:26.000Irreconcilable differences, but no one files that anymore because that's... Oh, is that?
00:50:29.000It's just, well, because what ends up happening is you're incentivized by a billion dollar industry of Cite some kind of abuse, and then you get more, right?
00:50:38.000And so men are afraid of that, and it's a legitimate fear.
00:50:40.000I mean, let's say it's 60%, which is low.
00:50:43.000But for a young man who has maybe taken on a huge burden, and by the way, I see this with people who are good men who are afraid of it, I think we need to look at those laws and those systems and then say, look, everyone needs to be on equal footing, rebalance The rules that we saw with feminism before we try and solve the problem.
00:51:01.000And then, yes, personal accountability for a lot of men absolve themselves.
00:51:04.000If you're going to the club and you're sleeping with 20 women a month, that's your problem.
00:52:45.000So, like, my credit score was as low as it could physically go.
00:52:49.000And when I got married, we had to buy our first house on what's called a stated income mortgage, which basically is like, okay, he makes money, but he can't pay his bills.
00:52:58.000So like she fixed my credit score, but we got married younger.
00:53:01.000It's not like I had millions in the bank.
00:53:03.000It's not like I had much of anything in the bank.
00:53:05.000So it is fair to say that when you have that income disparity, maybe reducing the stigma around prenuptial agreements would probably be a good thing to do.
00:53:13.000I agree, and you know what, the church has failed people with that.
00:53:17.000I think, honestly, I was actually, I was watching Braveheart recently, and remember they invoked Prima Nocta, right?
00:53:22.000Where they get to sleep with the- You get to take their daughter away.
00:53:55.000Yeah, well, I remember when I'd be like, oh, remember in Lethal Weapon 2 where you see his dead girlfriend underwater and you see her boobs?
00:54:18.000And again, as someone who supports freedom of choice, sure, but people need to know the risks.
00:54:22.000Talking about that, they got married in secret because of the laws, right?
00:54:26.000When the law of the land, it flagrantly flies in the face of, as Christians, you believe God's law, I think we're at that point in this country where it's like, well, if a dude who now claims to be a woman can get married to a guy, and by the way, we're going to have a multi-billion dollar industry that incentivizes them to leave for no reason whatsoever, I think that maybe the church needs to recognize there's a difference between the covenant before God and, for example, the state.
00:54:48.000Because they're basically a notary, that pastor.
00:54:51.000And then like you said, the idea of prenuptial agreements, like people say it's planning
00:55:26.000But I do think there are good men out there who are afraid because of where they find themselves.
00:55:30.000Well, I think there has to be a happy middle ground because, obviously, as the resident feminist here, there are scenarios where... You're a big feminist.
00:56:56.000And I think, again, it's like for good.
00:56:58.000And a big part of this, too, is we find ourselves here, I think, as a society because of the lies that, you know, this is what's going to fulfill you and make you happy.
00:57:04.000And it really is, honestly, it's horrible for young women because they have Basically tried to make themselves more valuable in the dating space in the way that they would find men more valuable.
00:57:15.000It's why Jeff Bezos will marry a waitress.
00:57:35.000No, he's like, I'm proud that you're self-sustaining and strong opinions, that you'll stand by your convictions, but a lot of women go, I don't know why men don't, like, I make this amount of money, I've advanced my, I went to school.
00:57:50.000Not gross, but it's sort of irrelevant.
00:57:52.000It is super irrelevant to men, and that was a big lie of third-wave feminism that really pushed this girl boss mentality.
00:57:59.000And you're 100% right in that guys do not care.
00:58:03.000They don't care that you've got a job.
00:58:06.000Now, not to go too far down the rabbit hole, but thanks to by dynamics, and not just by dynamics, but we are living in a world now where two-income household is a necessity for a lot of people, which I think has also added to You know, when both, I mean, the ideal scenario is at least one person, if you're gonna have kids, one person stays home.
00:58:31.000But it's like, now you have two income, both of you have to work to afford your apartment.
00:58:35.000That's already putting the relationship in like a weird, stressful spot.
00:58:38.000You see each other kind of connecting flights sometimes.
00:58:40.000Or if you have kids, like when I grew up, my parents worked My mom worked first shift, my dad worked second shift, so that we weren't home alone.
00:59:01.000They never got divorced or anything, but I'm sure it wasn't awesome.
00:59:05.000If I only saw my wife on weekends, and then you have all this baggage, you know how that goes?
00:59:10.000One of my all-time least favorite things to do is if my wife, who is literally perfect in every conceivable way... No, she's not, but that's okay.
00:59:22.000You know, I'll come back, like I'm going to come back from this trip, I'm going to walk in the door, I'm going to put down my luggage, and she's going to be like, okay, so, and then there's going to be like 20 things.
00:59:41.000It creates a lot of stress, so I think that that's got to factor into it too.
00:59:45.000Well, I think, and here's the thing, is again, I think people are identifying, there really is a problem right now where men, like you talk about, are hurting.
00:59:52.000And, and I used to be, I will tell you this, I used to be way more open about struggling with depression and stuff on the show.
00:59:57.000I would discuss it all the time because I hoped that people would... K?
01:04:36.000Which, by the way, makes you a man, you're saying, it's like a gift.
01:04:41.000You're saying, I don't want you to have to do this horrible thing that you hate.
01:04:44.000The issue, I think, and this is what we're seeing with young men, and this is a problem again with the red pill, or sorry, the black pill, whatever people want to call it now.
01:05:03.000But at any point, young men go, yes, but she could just decide she doesn't want to, and there's nothing I can do, and I can't do it if I'm the primary earner.
01:06:02.000I think that you can mitigate risk by marrying the right woman and I think maybe if more people were taking part in church or taking part in these community type things.
01:06:14.000Now, you have mentioned there are issues within the church and how they talk about the relationship that I'm unfamiliar with.
01:06:20.000But I think as a community, I think that changing the laws would be great and it should be something.
01:06:27.000Now, I don't know how popular that's going to be.
01:07:15.000So I separate into that like the primary earner.
01:07:18.000Yeah, there's a multi-billion dollar industry, which is really predicated on incentivizing one side to break a contract, which exists nowhere else in the business world.
01:07:28.000So it has to start at that level, and I do think it has to start with Like you said, policing their own.
01:07:33.000The issue, I think, is, you know, men, we tend to police our own relatively well.
01:07:37.000Like, this is why when people say rape culture, I don't know about you, no one has ever, in my guys' huddles, like, by the way, don't we love raping?
01:07:50.000On account of you're a rapist and we have mothers and daughters and wives.
01:07:55.000Women don't tend to be as good at policing their own because they either want to be more agreeable and they're dominated by the loudest voices, which is feminism.
01:08:02.000And so there isn't the same level of self-accountability.
01:08:05.000What would you say if I said part of the solution is less people getting married, but having some sort of civil union?
01:08:16.000But like marriage without the contract, you know, like I think, I think that we need to wreck at a certain point when like, for example, this happened during I was single, that'd be a real option.
01:08:25.000I mean, at this stage, you know, but the problem is that that can't happen because of, you know, the same idea of a prenup, but we need to be destigmatized because feminists say, well, now you're trying to get away with being a piece of crap.
01:08:35.000They might be able to sue you anyway, if you're living together for a certain period of time, common law marriage, that might not work.
01:08:41.000Yeah, I mean, I think, obviously, the solution for all of this is personal accountability, where, I mean, that's the root solution of everything, but then it does kind of have to come out that the laws exist, as they do, and young men are afraid of them.
01:08:54.000Like, I kind of had to, even when we were doing the life advice, and it kept coming back, kept coming back, like, you know, I've saved up this, and I really think she's good, and they present you with the story of a close friend.
01:09:26.000Yeah, I think that I think the commodification of love and the relationship and the dopamine hits of like quick, quick hookup culture is just accelerated a crumbling institution that is marriage.
01:09:38.000But I also think this is gonna sound idealistic because I'm just a just a Midwestern guy.
01:09:44.000But like, I feel like Maybe it stings less if you value your product.
01:10:03.000But maybe it's because I'm in a different financial situation and I'm like, I'll still be okay, kind of thing.
01:10:08.000I don't mean, that's not like a humblebrag, but I think if somebody's got $35,000 in the bank and they're like, I'm trying to restart my life, and she took half that, plus the lawyer took the rest, that's not good.
01:10:20.000If I'm in a toxic, terrible relationship, the money for me is like the least of the reason that I'm staying.
01:10:27.000Yeah, no, and I think it is the least for, let me give you kind of, and I think this is where, And again, the problem is you can't say, hey, we need to
01:10:36.000change the marriage laws and then say, by the way, bang a bunch of hoes.
01:10:39.000Well, that's a problem because you're saying, well, hold on a second.
01:10:45.000The story was kind of told to me from someone, and it was this.
01:10:48.000It's not about, like you said, it's not about the end point.
01:10:51.000It's about those years in between where you can go, hey, look, this is what I, you sign up for a partnership and you say, these are the things that I want or I need.
01:11:00.000If you're the, you know, for example, a man right now in a state like Wisconsin.
01:11:03.000And a man told me a story, a woman said, yeah, I'm not going to do any of those things.
01:11:07.000If you bring it up again, I'm going to leave you and take your stuff.
01:11:25.000It's not about the... I don't think it's about money.
01:11:27.000I think it's about the dynamics of the relationship where if something goes bump in the night, the young man is expected to put his life on the line or he's a deadbeat.
01:11:42.000You do have to fulfill certain obligations, and I think that... You have choice, but... Well, you don't have choice to be a stay-at-home guy not working and plan to find a good woman.
01:12:50.000And we were like rubbing two nickels together to pay, you know, like doing the, I'd go to Walmart at like midnight, allegedly, and write a check for $20 over that, you know, I knew I didn't have because I needed to get, because Walmart would let you write a check over.