Louder with Crowder - Magic: TheQuartering | Ash Wednesday with Jeremy Hambly

00:00:00.000 I'm glad to be with you.

00:00:05.000 It's been a while since we've done an Ash Wednesday here.

00:00:10.000 What else could we do?

00:00:11.000 I started this off really well.

00:00:13.000 I sound like I have a stroke.

00:00:15.000 When we have the quartering.

00:00:18.000 That's me.

00:00:19.000 Is that your last name?

00:00:20.000 Unofficially, yeah.

00:00:21.000 All right.

00:00:22.000 Now we have Jeremy, of course, of The Quartering.

00:00:25.000 I don't even, honestly, you're in my phone as Jeremy Quartering.

00:00:29.000 That's fine by me.

00:00:30.000 I'm not offended by it.

00:00:31.000 You know, I think you're in my phone as, like, LWC, parentheses, do not answer.

00:00:39.000 Yeah, I was gonna say, often it's just, the company name is Prick.

00:00:42.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:00:44.000 So, but this prick is gonna teach you how to smoke a cigar here today.

00:00:46.000 Yeah, I'm here for it.

00:00:47.000 You can watch him on Rumble at 5.30 Eastern.

00:00:50.000 Jeremy the Courting has been a fan, sorry, a friend of the show, and we've been a fan of his for a while.

00:00:54.000 I know I kind of pre-lit that for you, but if now... You sell me out immediately?

00:00:58.000 Well, no, because a lot of people who want to look like they smoke cigars, they don't realize that if you light it unevenly, you're actually not getting the blend that they intended.

00:01:07.000 But now they're going to know I didn't know that.

00:01:09.000 Well, it's fine, though.

00:01:10.000 I want you to have a good experience.

00:01:11.000 It's not about appearing like you smoke cigars on a yacht.

00:01:15.000 It's about enjoying the experience.

00:01:16.000 Well, I was just about to roll out cigar brand cigars.

00:01:19.000 Oh, geez.

00:01:20.000 It's probably coming from the same factory.

00:01:22.000 So...

00:01:25.000 Distinguished.

00:01:29.000 Mm-hmm.

00:01:30.000 I feel a little bit smarter, too.

00:01:31.000 Do you?

00:01:32.000 Yeah.

00:01:32.000 Well, I'm glad you do.

00:01:35.000 That's all that matters, if you feel smart.

00:01:36.000 That's today's mantra, right?

00:01:38.000 If you feel it, then it is so.

00:01:40.000 Well, placebos are real. 0.96

00:01:42.000 Yeah.

00:01:42.000 They are real.

00:01:43.000 They are incredibly real.

00:01:44.000 And then you have some people—well, you were saying when you were staying here at the hotel, before we get into some of these topics, there are some crazy people who've been trying to offer you—once they found out you were a YouTuber, right?

00:01:53.000 That's the term they use now?

00:01:54.000 They wanted to offer you homeopathic medicine?

00:01:56.000 Some very—yes, it may be fine.

00:01:59.000 But I prefer to talk to a doctor generally.

00:02:04.000 Generally.

00:02:04.000 Especially when I'm going to be stripping down.

00:02:07.000 They had to say, yeah, I spent a long time since I've had to do a suppository.

00:02:12.000 So I was like, I need to talk over to my doctor.

00:02:14.000 Oh, I don't have to do a suppository.

00:02:15.000 I just strip down.

00:02:15.000 It's just standard protocol.

00:02:17.000 When the doctor walks in the room, you're nude.

00:02:20.000 I just like the feeling of the butcher paper on my skin the way God made me.

00:02:23.000 That really is nice.

00:02:24.000 There's something very utilitarian about that.

00:02:28.000 Let's just skip this here.

00:02:29.000 Let's get to why you came into the office, doctor.

00:02:32.000 It turns out that's not why he's come at all.

00:02:33.000 He's actually come to examine my health.

00:02:36.000 Miscommunication.

00:02:39.000 They're trying to, what, sell you on homeopathic medicine to get on your channel?

00:02:45.000 It was some sort of stuff.

00:02:47.000 Oh, they're going to be mad now when they see this.

00:02:48.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:02:49.000 I don't want to throw them under the bus.

00:02:51.000 No, I won't mention them by name.

00:02:53.000 And their product might be fine.

00:02:55.000 But I was just thinking to myself, yeah, I've never met Steven Crowder before.

00:03:00.000 I'm not even bringing anything to show of my own, but I'm going to go.

00:03:06.000 here, hey, check out this drug that I don't know anything about. You should talk about it on your

00:03:11.000 show. And yeah, that didn't happen. But it was weird because it was the hotel, very nice people,

00:03:18.000 but there were a lot of Australian people there, New Zealanders. And they were all like,

00:03:23.000 there were people that looked like hippies. And then there were people that looked like pharma bros.

00:03:29.000 But they were all at the same convention, and I thought about trying to sneak in there, because I was curious.

00:03:34.000 I'm always trying to follow the new thing, because sometimes it's real.

00:03:38.000 Sure.

00:03:40.000 CBD, for example, it can be good, but it also can be sold as a panacea cure-all, which I don't like.

00:03:46.000 Exactly.

00:03:47.000 So, I try to stay aware of, you know, what's the next thing.

00:03:52.000 There are a handful of supplements that actually are kind of proven.

00:03:55.000 You know, one is creatine that people sort of know about.

00:03:57.000 I mean, if you need a multivitamin, turmeric or cumin is one, and fish oil, and some people even argue about that.

00:04:03.000 Then there are others for specific issues that maybe make sense, but when they sell something as, like you said, a panacea, a cure-all, no single substance can do all those things.

00:04:12.000 I don't know if you're...

00:04:14.000 It's not out, but you might need to be a little more aggressive with it.

00:04:17.000 There you go.

00:04:18.000 Yeah, CBD is a good example.

00:04:19.000 We have a sponsor, CB Distillery, and their stuff is lab tested, which is great.

00:04:25.000 You know that what you're getting is exactly what you're getting.

00:04:27.000 They don't go too far off the beam with the science.

00:04:29.000 It's the same thing with, you know, marijuana in general.

00:04:32.000 Yeah?

00:04:32.000 Like, I do think it has some uses.

00:04:34.000 We've talked about that.

00:04:35.000 I think it's very overblown, where they, especially the commercials now, like, wake and bake.

00:04:35.000 Of course.

00:04:40.000 Like, here's the thing, no one says, you know, wake up and drink, you have a problem, but wake and bake and you can get at the gas station, like, 250 milligram gummies where you're on the moon.

00:04:48.000 Yeah, I've been to the moon.

00:04:50.000 It's not that great.

00:04:52.000 And then the problem is once you're on the moon at 8.30 in the morning, you have like a whole day ahead of you.

00:04:57.000 And that's a real bummer.

00:04:57.000 Right.

00:05:00.000 But I do think, yeah, there are good things.

00:05:02.000 I try to be aware, as it is when you run a channel too, you get people who are sponsors, things like that. 0.97

00:05:08.000 And I try to figure, I try to suss them out a little bit and be like, Hey, I know you're selling ground-up deer penis. 0.90

00:05:17.000 I get that some Native American tribe did this. 0.97

00:05:22.000 Is it the same tribe that had 54 genders, as they try to argue?

00:05:24.000 Which doesn't exist.

00:05:24.000 Yeah, right.

00:05:25.000 Spirit gender.

00:05:26.000 Yeah, it is something I'm constantly aware of because when you have an audience, you've got to protect them.

00:05:33.000 You can't just say, hey, this is great.

00:05:35.000 I'm going to sell this thing to you.

00:05:36.000 This is interesting, too, because, and I want to get into why you kind of got into this space, you know, with my background, you know, started acting when I was a teenager and doing stand-up that are my later teens, how someone kind of gets into the space from your, you know, walk in life.

00:05:50.000 Yeah.

00:05:51.000 But with sponsors, yeah, that is a consistent issue.

00:05:53.000 I'm sure you see this, right, where these companies pop up, they're chop shops.

00:05:57.000 They pop up where they just, they're a marketing company that happens to create a product so they can sell it on shows.

00:06:02.000 Correct.

00:06:03.000 On podcasts.

00:06:03.000 Yeah.

00:06:04.000 And they'll approach you and they'll often offer a lot of money because they've just run some numbers, they've looked at the algorithms, and the product is trash.

00:06:11.000 Or, well, these are also usually the companies that say, you have to tell everyone you take it, and tell everyone that you, I have a hard line in the sand, like, I will promote a product, but I won't say I take it if I don't take it.

00:06:26.000 Or they'll say, I've had people say like, oh, well, what you really gotta do is say, oh, I just stumbled across this crazy thing, and they'll say, I don't do that.

00:06:34.000 Because, first of all, when it's like health supplements, I'm like, my viewers are like, come on, player.

00:06:39.000 But then like, In general, I would imagine if it's covered in cheese.

00:06:45.000 If it's cheese or fried, they're going to say, okay, yeah, I believe this guy.

00:06:49.000 I believe that he consumes this or some sort of liquor or beer, but usually it's the health space that's very, I'm very cautious about.

00:06:59.000 Yes.

00:07:00.000 No, you're absolutely right.

00:07:01.000 Especially because it's not regulated.

00:07:03.000 We've been pretty fortunate because we're largely supported by Mug Club.

00:07:07.000 We don't run that many sponsors.

00:07:09.000 Early on, I just didn't want to be beholden to it.

00:07:11.000 So every sponsor that we've used is either someone who I reached out to, was a product that I happened to use, or something that I thought was useful.

00:07:18.000 Those are the best.

00:07:19.000 And I always like selling those.

00:07:19.000 Yeah.

00:07:22.000 I'm not going to name drop anybody, but it's like, you know, when you have, you know, product

00:07:26.000 they like, like, it's great.

00:07:28.000 It doesn't feel like an ad.

00:07:29.000 It's like, I take this stuff or I use this product.

00:07:33.000 So it's like, it doesn't feel slimy.

00:07:34.000 It doesn't feel like you're selling something and you're just being totally honest.

00:07:37.000 Well, if you're not providing, this is my point of, if you're not providing a value

00:07:40.000 added to the person watching or listening right now, you're effectively selling them

00:07:44.000 as a commodity.

00:07:45.000 Yes.

00:07:46.000 For example, I have the drug test to prove it.

00:07:49.000 I use CB Distillery after my surgery because they can only write seven days of pain prescriptions, and when you do whole life insurance tests and you have to do blood work, they're like, oh yeah, what's this?

00:07:58.000 Because there's THC when it's even 0.3% and add the QR code or the lab certificate.

00:08:03.000 And I go, oh, OK, well that makes sense.

00:08:05.000 So I have literally the drug test to prove that I use it, or Walther.

00:08:08.000 We reached out to them.

00:08:09.000 But if I'm just going, hey, I want to make some money, and I know this is useless, This happened to me one time.

00:08:15.000 I sold clothes to a guy.

00:08:17.000 I worked at the French-Canadian version of Nordstrom's called Les Zelles.

00:08:20.000 And they had a promotion for a clothing company.

00:08:23.000 Decker.

00:08:23.000 I shouldn't say what it is.

00:08:25.000 I shouldn't say this, but... And they were like, the person who sells the most Decker clothing this month gets, I don't know, some kind of a prize.

00:08:32.000 Yeah, a SPF or whatever, yeah. 0.51

00:08:34.000 And I saw that there was this guy who came in with his mom, who obviously didn't know how to dress, and I sold him this god-awful Euro trash clothing, and I did it one time. 1.00

00:08:42.000 Yeah.

00:08:43.000 I said, I'm never gonna do it again, because I'm not doing my job.

00:08:47.000 And then I was promptly fired, as I should have been.

00:08:49.000 Yeah, right.

00:08:49.000 It's a horrible feeling, isn't it?

00:08:51.000 Yeah, I mean, I've had a few sponsors to come through and, you know, um, you know, selling land

00:08:57.000 in Scotland kind of stuff or whatever. Hypothetically, I've just, no, I've just said

00:09:02.000 could be anybody. Um, that kind of stuff, or, you know, I've gotten more careful through the years

00:09:09.000 now. And, um, yeah, that's the responsibility that you have as, as the gatekeeper. Cause

00:09:14.000 it's just like, they always say, if the product is free or the product in a way that our viewers

00:09:19.000 are our products, but I think creators like you and myself and many others, we're more protective.

00:09:26.000 Not everyone's like that.

00:09:27.000 Everyone's just like, whatever, I'll take the money, I'll take the ad money.

00:09:29.000 It's the same reason I don't do gambling ads.

00:09:31.000 No disrespect to people that do, I just, I have an addictive personality, so I don't want to like people, I don't want to do gambling ads, that kind of stuff.

00:09:39.000 Did you ever do Quip Toothbrush?

00:09:42.000 No.

00:09:42.000 Okay, thank God.

00:09:43.000 Because they did it where they were doing this whole thing with conservatives, right?

00:09:46.000 And then they do a whole thing with their rainbow Quip Toothbrush.

00:09:49.000 I was like, oh, thank God I never actually sold Quip Toothbrush.

00:09:53.000 I remember I was pre-Freedom Phones.

00:09:55.000 Did you do Freedom Phones, Stephen?

00:09:58.000 No, I didn't do them.

00:09:59.000 No, I didn't do them.

00:10:00.000 Is that the one where they used sprint towers, but you were actually put into a queue behind sprint, but it was more expensive?

00:10:07.000 Is that what it was?

00:10:07.000 Yeah.

00:10:09.000 Yeah.

00:10:10.000 I mean, it collapsed very quickly.

00:10:12.000 There were a lot of people going to a lot of shows.

00:10:15.000 Yeah, and then they go after you, right, and they go, why do you hate America?

00:10:19.000 Why do you hate freedom if you don't want to sell?

00:10:20.000 It's like, well, I just don't want to sell this product.

00:10:22.000 Yeah, I have Primeco.

00:10:24.000 I'm old enough to remember Primeco.

00:10:26.000 It's like, I don't need to sell.

00:10:29.000 Plus, I'm also, if my viewers will know this, I'm a big Like don't buy stuff to own the libs.

00:10:37.000 Right. 0.99

00:10:38.000 Because it's crap. 0.99

00:10:39.000 It doesn't actually do anything except for enrich people are grifting off of conservatives. 0.99

00:10:44.000 And so that kind of stuff is always a red flag for me.

00:10:44.000 Right.

00:10:47.000 I'm like Freedom Phone.

00:10:48.000 Okay, well, does it have better service?

00:10:50.000 Is it faster?

00:10:51.000 Is it?

00:10:51.000 Well, no, it's just America.

00:10:53.000 Okay, well, no, I'm not.

00:10:54.000 It's got to be at least equivalent where you're saying...

00:10:56.000 At minimum.

00:10:57.000 And similarly priced.

00:10:57.000 Yeah.

00:10:58.000 Yes.

00:10:59.000 And have some... something.

00:11:01.000 Not like, you know, oh, you know, triggered SJW blend or something like that.

00:11:08.000 I don't like doing that.

00:11:09.000 It was too dark a roast.

00:11:10.000 It really was.

00:11:11.000 I...

00:11:12.000 Very, very bold though.

00:11:14.000 I remember there was a big one that did bed sheets.

00:11:16.000 And I won't say the name.

00:11:17.000 Bed sheets were big.

00:11:18.000 I remember that.

00:11:18.000 I won't say the name of the bed sheets.

00:11:19.000 Yeah.

00:11:20.000 presidents used them.

00:11:22.000 Several.

00:11:22.000 I've heard.

00:11:23.000 And I tried them.

00:11:25.000 I said, so you're selling hospital sheets.

00:11:28.000 Oh, they weren't even like high thread count?

00:11:30.000 No.

00:11:31.000 No.

00:11:32.000 It felt very much like the butcher paper at the doctor's office.

00:11:35.000 And I just thought, this is what you do.

00:11:37.000 I can't, yeah, because you can only, yeah, I'm a hard pass on that.

00:11:41.000 I'll say send it to me.

00:11:43.000 Like I had somebody who sent me, Now this is a fine company.

00:11:48.000 It was a sauna sleeping bag.

00:11:53.000 Oh yeah.

00:11:54.000 It was like IR very expensive product.

00:11:57.000 And I said, this is never going to sell to my viewers.

00:12:00.000 And he's like, well, just send us.

00:12:01.000 So it's like three, two, three, $400.

00:12:04.000 The whole thing is you have to like get lay on the floor, put it, a zip yourself up

00:12:09.000 I'm like, there is no way anyone buys it.

00:12:09.000 in it.

00:12:14.000 He's like, I'll just run the ad.

00:12:15.000 I'm like, okay.

00:12:16.000 Ran the ad.

00:12:17.000 Nobody bought it.

00:12:17.000 Yeah.

00:12:18.000 I was like, you kind of know what's going to work with your audience too.

00:12:21.000 I thought there was going to be a happy ending.

00:12:23.000 I stayed in the sauna bag.

00:12:25.000 It was fun.

00:12:28.000 Were you nibbling on cheese?

00:12:30.000 Yeah, well, you put a little cheese in there for dipping sauce. 0.99

00:12:35.000 Being as tall as I am, I didn't even fit in it.

00:12:39.000 Oh, cool.

00:12:40.000 I can roast my groin. 0.97

00:12:42.000 Yeah.

00:12:43.000 Well, some UFC fighters have used those to cut weight, you know, because they don't necessarily... Yeah, it's a real thing.

00:12:49.000 Saunas, but then you sweat a little more sometimes with the infrared, so there's one time a fighter who... And you don't, yeah, you lose more, but it's not as obvious.

00:12:49.000 Yeah.

00:12:56.000 Yes, exactly.

00:12:57.000 So it's one thing you have to kind of calibrate.

00:12:58.000 You don't have any extra ones, do you?

00:13:00.000 I do.

00:13:02.000 There you go.

00:13:02.000 I'll send it to you.

00:13:03.000 You'll give him a plug and I'll just, we'll just do, I'll be doing the show from my sauna bag.

00:13:06.000 I love it.

00:13:07.000 Yeah.

00:13:07.000 I have a, we, I think we talked about it.

00:13:09.000 I have a infrared sauna at home.

00:13:10.000 I love it.

00:13:11.000 It's definitely, it's one of those things that is worth it.

00:13:11.000 Yeah.

00:13:13.000 It's again, overblown.

00:13:14.000 Yeah.

00:13:15.000 It's not, it doesn't cure everything.

00:13:16.000 Yeah.

00:13:18.000 Well, our crew, there's a guy out there who does a podcast, and he said that an infrared sauna, so I don't even know if we need this paper, we're just going, it's a little inside baseball here, again, the quartering, you can, best place is X or rumble.

00:13:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:31.000 And I want to go back to that, but there was a guy who said, you know, the sauna has actually proven to increase your growth hormone and testosterone by 400 or 600 percent, and my friend Shale Sun, and he was a fighter, and you've seen, he has a relatively popular podcast, he said, look, look, If this was true, he said, you can't, through steroids, get your testosterone to 600%.

00:13:50.000 And I know because I was trying and I got caught.

00:13:53.000 But if you were looking for a job with the New York Yankees and you said, I can increase your players' testosterone by 600%, they would fire the other coaches, they wouldn't even need to practice, and they would give you a million dollars.

00:14:06.000 It's not possible.

00:14:07.000 But it's just, it's a headline, it's a thumbnail, and then people take it to the bank.

00:14:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:14:12.000 And that's kind of scary, isn't it?

00:14:14.000 Because I think you and I both benefited from circumventing gatekeepers, right?

00:14:19.000 But there also is a challenge with, I don't know if you see some people where the truth doesn't matter at all, and it's just collecting cash.

00:14:27.000 Of course, yeah, yeah.

00:14:28.000 So how do you think that gets balanced going forward?

00:14:31.000 Well, I think you can only burn people's trust so many times.

00:14:34.000 I mean, early on, even, you know, I would do a lot of ads on my channel, and then I would start to see the people in the comments like, oh, it's too many ads.

00:14:43.000 I unsubscribed from him years ago.

00:14:44.000 He did too many ads, this, that, and the other thing.

00:14:48.000 And then if you get caught up, obviously, the very real part of it is, you know, you get caught up selling something and then your viewers don't blame the company, they blame you.

00:15:00.000 And so people were pretty pissed off at me that they didn't actually own land in Scotland.

00:15:05.000 Really?

00:15:06.000 I mean, I immediately came out, I was like, hey, I thought it was just like a meme gift.

00:15:10.000 I thought it was a novelty gift, honestly.

00:15:13.000 What I basically said was, it became a thing, someone did an exposed video,

00:15:18.000 and then everyone's emailing me, calling me a scammer.

00:15:19.000 I'm like, nobody in my audience actually thinks they're a lord.

00:15:24.000 It's like a goofball gift that you buy for whatever dollars, you know?

00:15:29.000 But had that not have been, had I sold it dishonestly, I sold it as a gift, as a meme.

00:15:36.000 If, had I sold it dishonestly, you lose your credibility, and people will call you sellout, and they'll just stop watching.

00:15:42.000 I think it takes, it kind of fixes itself.

00:15:45.000 Well, I think, I agree with you most, but I disagree in one way, in the sense that you, you're one of the few people who will get into this idea of preparation, where you actually do, like, a show, and you prepare, right, and you have segments, and you have assets that you have ready.

00:15:58.000 So for that, for some of the people tune into a scheduled viewing, you know, yes, you lose their trust.

00:16:04.000 But for people, there are businesses out there where they just go, we're just going to use the algorithm for a reel and a reel and a five-second view, where no one's actually investing any trust.

00:16:12.000 It's just, oh, this popped up in my feed, and this is shareable.

00:16:16.000 You can still make a lot of money that way and keep burning the trust bridge over and over, and no one cares.

00:16:21.000 Yeah, this is true of like Instagram and TikTok where they're already short form and they're set up.

00:16:27.000 I think this is the way that Axe is going to go to.

00:16:30.000 They're going to turn into marketplaces because that's really a great way to make money for them, which I'm not against, but you're right.

00:16:36.000 There's a lot of, you know, kind of scummy products out there.

00:16:41.000 I think that I think you just have to hope that people have some level of integrity.

00:16:49.000 I've always said, for example, I'll do ads for mobile games.

00:16:53.000 People hate it.

00:16:54.000 But because of the way that the YouTube algorithm has changed in the way that when you're conservative or even perceived conservative, your viewers kind of know.

00:17:06.000 I found that when I did ads, my viewers were like, ah, oh, here's another ad from some whatever mobile game.

00:17:12.000 But everyone was always like, dude, who cares?

00:17:15.000 People would just say, hey, they get demonetized all the time, they get suppressed all the time, they gotta eat.

00:17:20.000 So there was really a change around the adpocalypse, thanks to somebody in this room.

00:17:24.000 I apologize.

00:17:25.000 That wasn't my intent.

00:17:28.000 There was a change around that where viewers became more accepting of ads in our space, not necessarily in the wider space.

00:17:37.000 I think it's interesting when somebody like Mr. Beast does an ad read, and I'm like, You get 200 million views a video.

00:17:45.000 Do you really need an ad read?

00:17:47.000 But it is what it is.

00:17:50.000 You know, they enjoy it, as long as it fits.

00:17:53.000 By the way, the best key for good ads is ones that actually target your customers.

00:17:58.000 Right.

00:17:58.000 If it's a weirdo crappy product, then your customers get mad.

00:18:03.000 Well, the problem with your viewers, I mean, is YouTube doesn't allow you to really target conservatives effectively, right?

00:18:07.000 Because they just don't allow your product to be placed in there, generally speaking.

00:18:10.000 They used to let you target per channel.

00:18:12.000 Right.

00:18:12.000 When I would try to sell my stuff, I used to pick, like, I'd run well until you got demonetized, but like I'd run like...

00:18:19.000 I'd run, like, my coffee ads on, like, conservative channels, and I would even do a custom pre-roll.

00:18:24.000 Hey, before you watch a Stephen Cotter video, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:18:27.000 Before, I had, like, 50 different ads, and then they even removed that.

00:18:31.000 Now you can't even do that.

00:18:33.000 I can't even say I want to target conservatives. 1.00

00:18:34.000 I just have to buy all the crap. 0.97

00:18:36.000 So you're a more savvy business person than I am, because if I get an idea like that, so I used the same, but I did it out of spite. 0.98

00:18:43.000 So I targeted liberal channels.

00:18:44.000 I won't say who.

00:18:47.000 Where I had done parodies of them, or I was critiquing them, and I would run my video as a pre-roll ad before their videos.

00:18:53.000 I love that.

00:18:54.000 And, uh, you know, but I didn't stand to make any money.

00:18:57.000 It's just a small satisfaction of knowing that someone in their studios was going, yeah, right.

00:19:02.000 Yeah.

00:19:03.000 Sometimes I do videos like roasting Disney or something, and then people be like, God, Disney bought an ad on your video or Disney, you know.

00:19:03.000 Yeah.

00:19:10.000 We made fun of Captain Marvel.

00:19:11.000 I saw Captain Marvel ad in your video.

00:19:13.000 That's always funny to me, too.

00:19:15.000 It is tough, though, sometimes.

00:19:17.000 Obviously, you do some different content from what I do.

00:19:20.000 For example, you lean into drama.

00:19:22.000 Yeah, I know.

00:19:23.000 You avoid it.

00:19:25.000 I just want to do the show.

00:19:27.000 But I also understand that there's value in it.

00:19:29.000 But there is one thing that I think we share in common.

00:19:31.000 You do care about the truth.

00:19:33.000 Even if you don't like someone, you're not just going to lie because you don't like the person.

00:19:36.000 And I know that about you.

00:19:37.000 Even if you don't like Jeremy, I know this about him.

00:19:41.000 It is tough to compete With the lie, with the truth.

00:19:44.000 An example that I used recently was where a bunch of people were sending me this tweet that went out saying, 1.2 million new registered voters in Texas in 2024 with no ID.

00:19:54.000 Now the real number was about 60,000.

00:19:55.000 Yeah.

00:19:56.000 And we were vindicated because all the Secretaries of State came out and said, yeah, that's not true.

00:20:00.000 Let us explain.

00:20:01.000 And a lot of them were Republicans, too.

00:20:03.000 But I had so many people sending it to me, and we did a whole segment on this, like, no, Arizona's not 200,000.

00:20:07.000 Texas is not whatever it was, 1.2 million.

00:20:10.000 The problem is, you do it, it's right, you know it's right, but the lie gets shared faster because people go, yeah, but this shocks people.

00:20:17.000 When the truth is shocking enough, no one should be voting or registering without ID.

00:20:21.000 But when you lie about the number, it discredits the conservative movement as a whole.

00:20:24.000 Yeah, and there's also, X has turned into a more negative space, I think, for conservative clickbait.

00:20:31.000 I saw a video this morning where it was like, Kenny, John Mellencamp has Biden meltdown and gets kicked off stage.

00:20:39.000 I looked for a half an hour to find a lot.

00:20:40.000 He did have a meltdown and he did quit the show.

00:20:43.000 But there was no mention of Biden.

00:20:45.000 I couldn't find a longer video than anything about Biden, but like a lot of people were like incentivized on Twitter.

00:20:52.000 So like I saw that and I'm like, well, I'm going to cover this.

00:20:55.000 And I'm like, well, wait, I can't find.

00:20:57.000 Right.

00:20:58.000 Maybe he did rant about Biden, but there's not a single clip about it.

00:21:02.000 So I'm like, oh, I can't cover this story.

00:21:04.000 I guess I'll just cover this biological female that boxed a biological male and got knocked out in 21 seconds. 1.00

00:21:09.000 That's fun too.

00:21:10.000 That was a lot of fun.

00:21:11.000 It'd be extra fun if they boxed John Cougar Mellencamp.

00:21:14.000 Because I hate him.

00:21:15.000 Not actually.

00:21:16.000 As a Christian, it's wrong to hate.

00:21:18.000 But you know what I mean. 0.82

00:21:19.000 I hate him.

00:21:20.000 Yeah, Mellencamp, he has TDS terminally.

00:21:27.000 For me, if I go to a movie or a music concert, I really don't give a damn about their personal politics, and I'm not there to be preached at.

00:21:36.000 And that's essentially, I think somebody in the crowd is like, just play some music or something like that, and he just completely melted down.

00:21:43.000 So if he was talking about Biden or Trump or something like that, I would be angry, too.

00:21:48.000 I'd be like, oh my god, like... Yeah, I don't care so much if they're... Well, first off, I separate the art from the artist, unless it gets to a certain point where it's so egregious that you have now transformed your art into propaganda.

00:21:58.000 Yeah.

00:21:59.000 For me, I'm more so bothered by complete inauthenticity.

00:22:03.000 So, like, Bruce Springsteen is an example.

00:22:05.000 Yeah.

00:22:06.000 He goes out talking about Santa Claus, how been good this year?

00:22:09.000 You can find early interviews of him, and he's talking like this, he sounds like Ralph Macchio.

00:22:13.000 It's totally fraudulent, and that bothers me.

00:22:16.000 Mark Cuban's another guy.

00:22:17.000 Another guy like that.

00:22:18.000 And you have some people on the right who do that, where it's like, now America and cigars and whatever it is, and you're going like, yeah, but I'd rather you just be honest about it.

00:22:27.000 And most people, if you're honest, are somewhere on the spectrum of reasonable. 0.73

00:22:31.000 Some people are insane.

00:22:33.000 Speaking of insane, though, I did want to ask you, how did you get into this, the YouTube space?

00:22:38.000 Because for me, it was having doors slammed, you know, having worked in Hollywood, saying, you know what, I'm going to try this on my own because of my views.

00:22:46.000 But I always wondered why, in our kind of generation, because now every kid wants to be a YouTuber, they see it as network television.

00:22:52.000 It's one of the number one jobs in high schools now, YouTuber, TikToker.

00:22:56.000 Well, my story is pretty...

00:22:59.000 Pretty interesting.

00:23:01.000 So I had a master's degree in marketing.

00:23:03.000 I worked for a marketing agency.

00:23:05.000 Dream job.

00:23:06.000 So we were what is called an internet marketing incubator.

00:23:09.000 So essentially, it was a bunch of marketing people, like you have internal marketing people probably, right?

00:23:15.000 Uh, we have people who help me, like they handle social, but we haven't hired like an outside firm, which we probably should at some point.

00:23:21.000 Probably.

00:23:22.000 So we were, we were a marketing agency and I'll keep it somewhat short.

00:23:27.000 So I get my master's degree, I'm working there, I'm making pretty good money.

00:23:30.000 At 23, I was making about $200,000 a year, $250,000 a year.

00:23:32.000 And, uh, I thought, wow, that's all the money I'm ever going to need.

00:23:34.000 $250,000 a year.

00:23:36.000 And I thought, wow, that's all the money I'm ever going to need.

00:23:40.000 This is great.

00:23:41.000 Well, things change in the space.

00:23:43.000 Google's changes everything.

00:23:45.000 There's a market shift.

00:23:47.000 Essentially, we used to represent big clients like Dish Network and Oh, so by the way, during the Adpocalypse, I was representing large Fortune 500 companies that just cut off spending altogether because Vox said their ads showed on a neo-Nazi website or something.

00:24:02.000 The way that these huge companies reacted to the Adpocalypse was so wild because I was on the marketing side, it disillusioned me completely.

00:24:10.000 So I started my own marketing agency, but started making computer repair videos.

00:24:16.000 That was my first channel, computer repair videos, and it was like, Just to understand SEO, organic search results.

00:24:24.000 And I started making videos and they started getting popular.

00:24:26.000 That was a thing?

00:24:27.000 Yeah, that's no longer a thing either, right?

00:24:29.000 It's just paid search only now.

00:24:31.000 Used to be able to rank.

00:24:32.000 So we had an agency that sold SEO.

00:24:34.000 Google killed SEO.

00:24:36.000 So the agency struggled.

00:24:37.000 And I had built this little YouTube channel of repairing computers.

00:24:42.000 Then I sold little kits on how, you know, you could buy this as all the tools you ever need to fix your computer.

00:24:48.000 And then I, and so I realized like, Oh, this is pretty cool.

00:24:51.000 Like every time I'd sell one, I had a little like caching thing that would went on my phone and I'd be like, yes, $90.

00:24:57.000 Nice.

00:24:58.000 And so I got the bug of like internet marketing and then YouTube was always just this thing like this, just kind of this fun thing I did.

00:25:05.000 And then I got canceled.

00:25:09.000 Because I had a YouTube channel covering a game I loved, Magic the Gathering.

00:25:14.000 It's a card game.

00:25:15.000 It's like chess plus math plus nerd stuff. 0.93

00:25:17.000 No, I'm aware of the gay stuff. 0.94

00:25:18.000 Okay, yes.

00:25:20.000 That was in my college era.

00:25:22.000 But I had played the game since 1993.

00:25:27.000 I had started to see this culture war seep into the game where they were essentially very negative about men and say men gatekeeping and so I would start making videos saying like I don't know what you're talking about I play in these local game shops when a girl walks in I want to sing the song, but if a girl walks into the game shop, the guys in there would be tripping over themselves to be nice to her.

00:25:51.000 It was like 75 guys on a Saturday, and if one girl came in there, she was a god. 0.99

00:25:59.000 Yes, you know, like just treated like right and so this all sudden they start running these articles like men are gross 0.97

00:26:05.000 or gay Keeping one from the game. I'm like, are you kidding me? 1.00

00:26:07.000 I've seen guys stab each other to like help teach a girl how to play. This is crazy

00:26:11.000 So anyway, the people that make the game Wizards of the Coast that one of their high up employees

00:26:16.000 I had had a YouTube channel at the time where I talked about stuff

00:26:20.000 I'm out.

00:26:21.000 They send me a card to spoil.

00:26:23.000 It's a big deal because when new sets come out, it's like free marketing.

00:26:27.000 It's like access journalism.

00:26:29.000 So like I got to say, Hey, this is a new card that's coming out that no one else knew about.

00:26:34.000 Some marketing intern there didn't know that they hated me, apparently, sent it to me.

00:26:38.000 I upload the video.

00:26:39.000 They're like high up at the company post on Reddit that like, this was a huge mistake. 1.00

00:26:44.000 He's a misogynist, piece of garbage, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

00:26:49.000 Then the war began. 1.00

00:26:51.000 Then I go to the world's biggest gaming convention, Gen Con.

00:26:55.000 I forget the year exactly.

00:26:57.000 And a Antifa guy Attacked me.

00:27:01.000 Like, I was just sitting at the bar, two o'clock in the morning, talking with some viewers from my channel, and all I hear in the background is, are you Jeremy?

00:27:11.000 Well, people have been coming up to me, because the gaming community knew me.

00:27:14.000 People have been coming up to me all day, like, are you Jeremy from Unsleeved Media or MTG Headquarters?

00:27:18.000 Yeah, yeah, they're always fans.

00:27:20.000 Always, always were fans.

00:27:21.000 I turn around and he just starts punching me like I'm a crazed maniac, like a hero from behind.

00:27:27.000 And so then really the quartering was born. 0.99

00:27:28.000 I was like, oh, these people are psychotic. 0.68

00:27:31.000 Had he seen the size of you or were you sitting down? 0.98

00:27:33.000 He was blackout drunk.

00:27:36.000 He was not a small guy, but he was so crazy that like I got him off me and then I went inside the bar because I'm like, can someone call the cops?

00:27:45.000 And he punched through the window.

00:27:47.000 Really? 1.00

00:27:47.000 Like he was a total lunatic. And I was like, okay, well, I had like a small 1.00

00:27:53.000 group of guys with me, so I wasn't like too concerned about it. But at that time, I was not really,

00:27:58.000 I didn't know how to fight until I, you know, now I know a little more about, you know, self-defense

00:28:02.000 and things like that. But it was scary. It was weird. And then as a thank you for

00:28:07.000 that, I got banned. So they banned me from the event that I had flown down to. And did they ban

00:28:12.000 him? Yes, they did ban him. So like a zero tolerance policy in high school. Yeah. Right. Although

00:28:17.000 I threw no punches. I just got punched.

00:28:19.000 Yeah.

00:28:20.000 And so then, um...

00:28:23.000 Yeah, so I got banned, and then The Quartering was really born.

00:28:25.000 And then I was like, OK, I'm all in on this culture war thing.

00:28:29.000 Well, they always say conservatives are just liberals who are punched in the face by life or reality, and you were quite literally.

00:28:34.000 Or maybe in your back, because unless he was tall enough, he wouldn't be able to.

00:28:37.000 They took my favorite game from me.

00:28:38.000 I'd been playing it since I was 1993, since I had massive collections,

00:28:42.000 hundreds of thousands of dollars in cards, banned me from the game eventually.

00:28:46.000 All these things were kind of subsequent because then I went to war with them 0.77

00:28:49.000 and perhaps I said some things.

00:28:51.000 And I'm not without guilt.

00:28:53.000 One does.

00:28:54.000 Yeah, I was not without guilt, but I was younger, less refined.

00:28:59.000 So then that's how I started with the quartering.

00:29:01.000 I was like, hey, men, people are saying all this bad stuff about men

00:29:05.000 and nobody's defending them.

00:29:07.000 This was like 2015, 2016, where it was like toxic masculinity, men are bad, and then so that's kind of how that was born.

00:29:16.000 And it existed beneath the surface, by the way, in higher education and in media for a long time.

00:29:20.000 It's just that now they were flat out saying it.

00:29:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:29:22.000 In every single sitcom and every in every single commercial, men are the asshole. 1.00

00:29:28.000 The perfect example, right? 1.00

00:29:29.000 Homer Simpson.

00:29:30.000 Yep.

00:29:30.000 He's portrayed as a buffoon, but he's actually like a based awesome dad, like who would do anything for Lisa.

00:29:37.000 There's many examples of how he's actually a great dad.

00:29:40.000 The first episode, the Christmas episode, where he does the Santa work to save Christmas. 0.98

00:29:46.000 You know, and then you went from a guy who had some redeeming dad qualities to Peter Griffin, who is just basically a piece of garbage. 0.99

00:29:53.000 Yeah, a complete loser. 0.98

00:29:54.000 Nick DiPaolino, who's on Mug Club, and you guys can tune in to him, 5 p.m. 0.99

00:29:59.000 Eastern here on Mug Club.

00:30:00.000 This is in the 90s.

00:30:01.000 He had a great bit to give you an idea, and I talked to him about it.

00:30:03.000 It was, to date it, it was a commercial for AOL Online, and he goes... 53 hours!

00:30:10.000 He goes, commercial, we're always, he goes, this is just, this is in the early 90s, mid-90s.

00:30:14.000 He goes, I don't know, maybe it was mid-90s, but he has stuff on this in the early 90s.

00:30:17.000 He goes, it's just the feminist movement sticking their mustachioed faces into, that's all it's about. 1.00

00:30:23.000 AOL Online, where they say, so easy, so easy, my dad can use it. 0.97

00:30:28.000 You mean the guy who bought the f***ing computer?

00:30:30.000 Yeah, right, yeah. 0.92

00:30:31.000 And I just remember there's no fat on that joke, and he's always been that guy, and he's lost a lot of opportunities in this industry.

00:30:38.000 I mean, the guy could have retired very, very young if he would have played ball a little bit.

00:30:43.000 Speaking of sponsors, by the way, you know what?

00:30:44.000 We don't usually do this.

00:30:46.000 I don't know what's about to come up, but I think we might get a refill here.

00:30:48.000 So here's some kind of a sketch or sponsorship that my producers will pick.

00:30:53.000 Be right back.

00:31:06.000 I'm Josh Feierstein, and during the break, I applied for a job at Home Depot.

00:31:10.000 Love this job.

00:31:12.000 Now, for those of you just joining us, our contestants today are Totally Not an IRS Agent, renowned musician Kenny G, and Loud with Proud correspondent Thomas Finnegan.

00:31:25.000 Now, we're just about finished with puzzle number three, Totally Not an IRS Agent.

00:31:29.000 It's your turn.

00:31:30.000 Reminder, the category is Something You Might Need Help With.

00:31:34.000 I'm gonna spin, Josh.

00:31:35.000 I don't care.

00:31:36.000 Nice.

00:31:39.000 Let me get an R. R! 0.69

00:31:41.000 Do we have any R's?

00:31:43.000 R's on the board!

00:31:44.000 One R! 0.52

00:31:44.000 R's! 0.52

00:31:46.000 Alright!

00:31:48.000 Is anybody gonna get the... Oh, that's right.

00:31:52.000 Vanna quit.

00:31:53.000 She's living her best life at Home Depot.

00:31:58.000 Okay.

00:31:58.000 Well, totally not, IRS agent.

00:32:00.000 It's still your turn.

00:32:01.000 What's it gonna be?

00:32:02.000 Spin again, Josh.

00:32:03.000 Alright.

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00:32:10.000 Just like that, you're broke as a joke again! 1.00

00:32:11.000 How does it feel, you piece of shit? 1.00

00:32:13.000 Maybe I should send some people to your house, huh? 1.00

00:32:16.000 All right, Kenny G, you're up.

00:32:19.000 I'd like to solve, Josh.

00:32:20.000 Finally, we can get out of here and go home.

00:32:22.000 I've got a George Foreman and a grilled cheese with my name on it.

00:32:26.000 Sachs Revolution.

00:32:28.000 Sachs... No, Kenny G, Sachs... Sachs Revolu... Why would you think that Sachs Re... Sorry.

00:32:36.000 Sorry?

00:32:38.000 That was a good answer.

00:32:39.000 Sorry.

00:32:40.000 Finnegan, you're up next.

00:32:41.000 What's it going to be?

00:32:43.000 You want to spin?

00:32:43.000 Solve?

00:32:44.000 Hi Josh.

00:32:47.000 I'd like to solve, Josh.

00:32:48.000 Okay.

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00:33:55.000 It was probably good.

00:33:56.000 It was passable.

00:33:58.000 Of course, you can watch Jeremy here, the quartering on Rumble, 530 Eastern, and you can follow him on X.

00:34:05.000 Even though you just said it's probably going to become a marketplace, but you know what, we'll plug it anyway.

00:34:07.000 Yeah.

00:34:08.000 So have you been fully demonetized on YouTube?

00:34:12.000 No, I'm okay.

00:34:12.000 You're okay?

00:34:13.000 Alright.

00:34:13.000 Yeah.

00:34:13.000 So you've been, this is actually good, out of choice kind of migrating people toward Rumble.

00:34:17.000 Yeah.

00:34:17.000 Yeah, it's been the slow boil, you know.

00:34:20.000 It's easier to move everyone if you get demonetized, for example, because people are more motivated.

00:34:25.000 But I've been moving over a few thousand people a month, and obviously as Rumble improves, it's not the perfect product, it's improving.

00:34:33.000 No, it's not.

00:34:35.000 But as more people come, more people improve, or the platform improves, the app improves, people are more and more excited to do it.

00:34:41.000 I think obviously election season is going to be massive for Rumble and I think more creators in our space need to stop being Yes, and do it?

00:34:53.000 Yeah.

00:34:54.000 There were a lot of people that were fine to let the API just bring their content over, but Google disabled that.

00:35:00.000 A lot of people don't know that.

00:35:01.000 Right.

00:35:02.000 So you have to upload your video there manually, which takes a whole 10 freaking seconds, you know, and then a bunch of people who claim to be free speech and anti-censorship people haven't done it.

00:35:11.000 So it's disappointing.

00:35:12.000 I can't tell you how many people have called me behind the scenes saying, Hey, I've had a bunch of videos demonetized.

00:35:16.000 I'm afraid the hammer is going to drop.

00:35:17.000 I said, well, I hope you have a contingency plan and I'll tell them about Rumble or, you know, if they want to do things with X. I just, obviously Rumble is the one I believe in because of how they've treated us and they were the first place where they actually had the live streaming available and Chris has flipped the bird, Chris Pablowski, the CEO, shout out to him, has flipped the bird to governments where he has not caved in anything.

00:35:36.000 And then they call me, these same creators, and they're like, it happened.

00:35:41.000 Well, you're going to have a much harder time now because it's not the demonetizing.

00:35:43.000 It's now people don't see your content.

00:35:46.000 That's the issue.

00:35:46.000 Yeah.

00:35:47.000 I have a similar issue where people say, can you give me a deal with Rumble?

00:35:53.000 I'm like, well, I don't have that power, but I also see you haven't been uploading your videos to Rumble.

00:35:58.000 Right.

00:35:59.000 So if I go to the CEO of the company and I say, this guy wants money, he doesn't use your platform, how do you think that's going to go?

00:36:06.000 The reason I got it, because I'm not as large as a lot of other people that did, it's because I had been actively using it.

00:36:12.000 since I already had 100,000 subscribers on Rumble before I ever had a Rumble deal, maybe more than that.

00:36:20.000 So when I made the pitch, it was like, hey, I support your platform, and now give me money.

00:36:27.000 Money, please, I support your platform.

00:36:30.000 But also with, in a contract, hopefully, or an agreement that's something you're both happy with.

00:36:36.000 That's the thing, too.

00:36:37.000 I will say this.

00:36:39.000 It's not just lip service.

00:36:40.000 When you flip the bird to the French government to Brazil, you say, we are not removing these creators just because you ask us to.

00:36:47.000 I mean, these are governments.

00:36:48.000 When you consider that a lot of people in our conservative space, they'll still tell their own people.

00:36:51.000 And of course, look, if it's your network, you can tell people to say whatever you want, but they say, we are a platform.

00:36:56.000 It's not our job to censor.

00:36:57.000 And then you have so many... Well, some platforms do, Stephen.

00:37:00.000 Yes.

00:37:01.000 What?

00:37:02.000 Some platforms have lines of things that people can publish on their platforms.

00:37:06.000 Yes, of course.

00:37:08.000 Wait, why are you being so cryptic?

00:37:09.000 You mean YouTube?

00:37:11.000 Let's just forget about it.

00:37:13.000 Let's go back to discussing cheese.

00:37:15.000 Do you think that Wisconsin has better cheese than Vermont?

00:37:19.000 Nobody ever talks about Vermont cheese, so there's your answer.

00:37:21.000 So you can't answer because you don't know. 0.98

00:37:23.000 Yeah, but that's like saying, have you ever eaten a pile of cow s**t? 0.98

00:37:28.000 How would you know it's not bad? 0.97

00:37:29.000 I won't let you besmirch the good people of Vermont.

00:37:32.000 I love Vermont!

00:37:33.000 Some of the best people on the planet I know are from Vermont.

00:37:35.000 And Bernie Sanders.

00:37:37.000 How many houses?

00:37:38.000 Three?

00:37:39.000 Is Vermont cheese a thing?

00:37:41.000 Is Wisconsin known as the cheese state?

00:37:44.000 Actually, I think we lost that to California.

00:37:46.000 Or the dairy state we lost to California, I think.

00:37:49.000 Yeah, because I think Vermont is the cheese... Is it the cheese state or the dairy state?

00:37:52.000 I don't know.

00:37:52.000 They're big on their cheese.

00:37:53.000 Hey, Vermont viewers, I got a P.O.

00:37:55.000 box, dry ice.

00:37:56.000 I'll take some cheese.

00:37:57.000 I'm not like that.

00:37:58.000 We both have an extra grind because Vermont claims their maple syrup is the best and they can't hold a candle to Canada.

00:37:58.000 No, it's OK.

00:38:03.000 So... Vermont maple syrup is OK.

00:38:06.000 It's passable.

00:38:07.000 I mean, I'll accept it in a pinch, but I'll feel bad about myself. 0.99

00:38:10.000 I'll feel shit. 0.97

00:38:11.000 So you mentioned this, too, and I wanted to talk about this. 0.98

00:38:15.000 Because you're pretty transparent with your audience and you just talked about sort of this toxic masculinity and this was kind of what ushered you into you know your channel and kind of your I guess your initial audience and I know you've talked about this now a lot discussing sort of men's mental health is something that you've discussed quite a bit and also I think having at least a balanced perspective on this sort of red pill movement in recognizing, you know,

00:38:39.000 toxic feminism for lack of a better term, where maybe there are people who identify the right 1.00

00:38:43.000 problems, but the wrong solutions, and I see that happening in the

00:38:47.000 space. That's something you touch on quite a bit.

00:38:50.000 It's important to me because as a proud lover of men, I care about their future.

00:38:58.000 That will be clipped.

00:38:59.000 I purposely worded it in that manner.

00:39:02.000 I love men.

00:39:03.000 Deeply.

00:39:04.000 Plutonically.

00:39:06.000 But here's the thing.

00:39:11.000 95% of my viewership is men.

00:39:14.000 I have a precious few lady viewers, and I love them deeply as well.

00:39:20.000 But I see the comments.

00:39:21.000 Not every creator out there I read the comments.

00:39:26.000 I read the live chat.

00:39:28.000 I see what you say to me on Twitter.

00:39:30.000 And over the past six, seven years, what I've noticed is a lot of anger.

00:39:36.000 And that manifests itself in a lot of different ways.

00:39:38.000 Sometimes the target is warranted.

00:39:41.000 Sometimes the target is not warranted.

00:39:44.000 Sometimes it's because of their own actions.

00:39:46.000 Sometimes it's because of actions done to them.

00:39:49.000 But what I feel like, as you mentioned, is that it's all getting lumped together.

00:39:53.000 Right?

00:39:53.000 Right.

00:39:54.000 I'm single.

00:39:55.000 I'm 35.

00:39:56.000 It's because ho's bad. 1.00

00:39:59.000 Or I knew a friend who went through a bad divorce and now I don't want to do that.

00:40:04.000 I don't want to go back through that.

00:40:06.000 And as the eternal optimist that I am, I try to get people to just, I acknowledge that,

00:40:12.000 yeah, sometimes things suck, and maybe you're going through a bad breakup,

00:40:18.000 or your friend, or whatever the case is.

00:40:20.000 But you got tricked by a two-bit hoe. 1.00

00:40:22.000 You got tricked by a, It happens.

00:40:24.000 It happens, yes.

00:40:25.000 304 is the term the kids are using for hoes now. 0.99

00:40:27.000 I've heard that, yeah.

00:40:28.000 Yeah.

00:40:29.000 Because it's what, it's if you turn it upside down on a calculator. Looks like hoe, I think. 1.00

00:40:32.000 Yeah. 0.94

00:40:32.000 See, I used to do it, but I used to spell boobs. 0.94

00:40:34.000 I went 8008-735, which is boob bliss. 0.97

00:40:37.000 Yeah, oh, well that was mean.

00:40:39.000 You shouldn't make jokes about people who have mastectomies, but go on.

00:40:41.000 Well, I am also very, I have a lot of trans pride.

00:40:44.000 So they, That's perfect.

00:40:46.000 The, you know, so, I'm stuck in this place where a lot of my viewers consume similar content that I think at face value, just like Jerry Springer, is hilarious and fun and entertaining. 0.98

00:40:58.000 Everybody loves a dumb person getting dunked on. 0.87

00:41:01.000 It's just great entertainment. 1.00

00:41:03.000 Jerry Springer proved it, Maury Povich.

00:41:05.000 I mean, I don't ever want to know if all Maury Povich's paternity tests were real or not because they were always entertaining.

00:41:13.000 But I worry that the amount of content that is pushing blame or pushing responsibility off, that isn't to say that The legal system.

00:41:26.000 I used to speak at men's rights conferences, and there used to be an aspect of the men's rights movement that would talk about divorce court.

00:41:37.000 I forget her name, but the Red Pill documentary.

00:41:40.000 Cassie J. Awesome.

00:41:42.000 She was a lovely lady. 0.95

00:41:43.000 Loved it.

00:41:44.000 Pointed out domestic shelters for men basically don't exist, even though men do suffer domestic abuse.

00:41:52.000 Far more often.

00:41:54.000 Well, and if they report it, they're treated like the cops make fun of you or the cops don't take it seriously.

00:42:00.000 Men are at a major legal disadvantage in terms of divorce court or in an argument.

00:42:07.000 Your woman calls the police on you in an argument, you don't touch her, cops show up, you're probably going to jail.

00:42:14.000 And we all know somebody like that.

00:42:15.000 I have a friend of mine going through divorce.

00:42:18.000 Basically, if he had an argument with his wife, he had to leave the house because he just did not, he couldn't leave an opening.

00:42:25.000 Well, I remember a good example of that was Chuck Liddell had some kind of a domestic dispute and she was going nuts and was hitting him.

00:42:32.000 Yeah.

00:42:32.000 And I think he called the, not the police to have her, I don't think he charged her.

00:42:36.000 I don't remember the story, but it was basically because she was self, she was being self-destructive and like to help her.

00:42:41.000 Yeah.

00:42:42.000 Or she called the cops and he said, no, I don't want to, but I remember it came out later.

00:42:45.000 Everyone assumed fighter, Mohawk.

00:42:47.000 And she was wailing on him, but the headlines had already been written at that point.

00:42:52.000 Well, Amber heard Johnny Depp too, right?

00:42:54.000 Johnny had bodyguards in the house for some reason, I would imagine.

00:43:00.000 And again, like, I just, so I don't ever want to dismiss the fact that bad people exist or that the legal system is

00:43:09.000 stacked against men, because it is.

00:43:11.000 But I do want to try and grab people a little bit before they get to the point, because I mentioned I have friends

00:43:18.000 in their 30s, good paying jobs in the trades.

00:43:21.000 They make six figures, no debt. They fish on the weekends.

00:43:26.000 They have their hobbies. And they've completely given up on finding a woman or a man.

00:43:32.000 And I just, it breaks my heart.

00:43:34.000 I'm like, why?

00:43:36.000 Like, I'm happy.

00:43:37.000 It's okay.

00:43:39.000 And these are guys that just, you know, they had a bad breakup 10 years ago and they checked out and they also consume a lot of content and they say, Jeremy, you don't know what it's like dating out there. 0.98

00:43:48.000 They're all whores and they're all this and that. 1.00

00:43:51.000 That's not true. 1.00

00:43:52.000 Get off the dating apps.

00:43:53.000 Go join a club.

00:43:55.000 Join a sport or join a club that requires more than one person.

00:44:00.000 Like join a bar volleyball league where you're going to have 15 people.

00:44:04.000 What's a bar volleyball league?

00:44:06.000 Well, they're just volleyball at the bar.

00:44:07.000 It's super popular.

00:44:08.000 Oh, really?

00:44:09.000 I thought it was like, you know, like a legal thing.

00:44:09.000 I'm sorry.

00:44:10.000 Like they pass the bar and they play volleyball.

00:44:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:44:13.000 Yeah.

00:44:13.000 Legal, legal, lawyer volleyball.

00:44:15.000 By the way, Half-Asian Bill, we both know him.

00:44:17.000 You know, he's a surprise.

00:44:18.000 Fantastic at ping pong.

00:44:19.000 We have that ping pong table.

00:44:20.000 I'm not shocked to hear that.

00:44:21.000 Yeah.

00:44:21.000 Except he got pissed when Gerald smoked him.

00:44:23.000 But I'll tell you that story off air.

00:44:24.000 He's so short and compact though.

00:44:26.000 He's like right at the table height.

00:44:27.000 To know Bill is to love him.

00:44:31.000 So my passion is right now to try and just prevent that.

00:44:37.000 Too many men have checked out and yes, there are predatory women out there. 1.00

00:44:43.000 But I think you look at... I'm all over the place, I'm sorry, but you look at... It's a tough subject, and I agree with you.

00:44:48.000 It's like people who just go, hoes, this... I agree. 1.00

00:44:52.000 I think there is a problem that obviously you identified at one point in time, and now people have split off where the solution has kind of become clickbait.

00:45:00.000 Yes, exactly.

00:45:02.000 I just wish that some of these channels that you can be entertaining Like, even at the end of The Price is Right, they say to spay or neuter your dogs.

00:45:09.000 Right.

00:45:10.000 Like, give me something not just hoes bad all the time. 1.00

00:45:14.000 And Bob Barker loved the hoes. 1.00

00:45:15.000 He was banging them.

00:45:16.000 He was banging all of them.

00:45:17.000 He was a notorious hoemongerer.

00:45:19.000 I had no idea until Pops Crowder on the show.

00:45:21.000 He was like, didn't you know?

00:45:22.000 I'm like, Bob Barker?

00:45:23.000 Yeah.

00:45:24.000 He crushed.

00:45:28.000 That is a shocking but also awesome fact.

00:45:30.000 I didn't mean to interrupt that.

00:45:31.000 I found that out relatively recently.

00:45:33.000 That is a shocking but also awesome fact.

00:45:35.000 Yeah.

00:45:36.000 But the, so for me, it's like, I'm trying to, I want to be able to try and change my message up

00:45:40.000 a little bit and explain to men that like, go out and join, like dating apps are fine,

00:45:47.000 but they commodify relationships.

00:45:49.000 They provide too many options and they create a scenario, I believe,

00:45:54.000 where both men and women are unwilling to work through even the smallest obstacle because there's a new option

00:46:00.000 one swipe away.

00:46:01.000 So you're like, oh, you know, oh, this person has a mole I didn't expect.

00:46:05.000 Or, I mean, that's obviously extremely superficial.

00:46:08.000 Don't do that in confidence, but sure.

00:46:09.000 Yeah, but the, well, you had mentioned your mole, so it came up.

00:46:12.000 Yeah, it popped into my head.

00:46:17.000 So to me, that's what I'm passionate about is trying to prevent people from, you can watch the dunking on hoes stuff and it's funny, but just also know that those same people that are dunking on those hoes are signing up for their OnlyFans accounts too. 1.00

00:46:30.000 That does happen.

00:46:31.000 Yeah, I mean, well, for example, we did have Fit and Fresh on the show one time, and again, they were identifying some of the problems.

00:46:38.000 And whenever someone is here, even though I disagree, it's my job to be a decent host, because I've invited them either onto my show or Space, and they were talking about, like, look, to get over it, I think they were offering some advice, you know, sleep with a bunch of women. 0.97

00:46:49.000 I said, well, hold on a second.

00:46:51.000 Is not to become what it is that would be an eliminating factor in a woman. 1.00

00:46:56.000 Like, men and women are different.

00:46:57.000 Well, that is true, but that's not helping you find the right kind of woman. 0.97

00:47:02.000 And I think... It's creating more of the women you say are bad, by the way. 0.99

00:47:06.000 Yeah, and I guess in their mindset it's like, well, a good woman would, you know, pass this kind of litmus test, but it's like, yeah, but it's not your job to do that.

00:47:13.000 That just makes the person doing it, you're harming yourself, ultimately.

00:47:16.000 I do think...

00:47:17.000 You know, and seeing this a lot, because I do have a lot of young males who watch.

00:47:22.000 I have a surprising amount of women who particularly show up at the stand-up shows and the live shows. 1.00

00:47:26.000 You do have a lot of female fans. 1.00

00:47:27.000 I see them in my chat.

00:47:31.000 Half are lesbians.

00:47:33.000 Love it. 0.85

00:47:34.000 Big fan of Les Miserables.

00:47:35.000 They're a big, huge fan of Les Miserables.

00:47:36.000 Especially in the movies.

00:47:36.000 Yeah.

00:47:37.000 Yeah.

00:47:38.000 They just done some fine cinema.

00:47:40.000 But I think it's, you know, you do, and it's something close to 40% of young men now will never get married.

00:47:46.000 That is so sad.

00:47:48.000 It is to me too.

00:47:49.000 And it's a, it's a, it's like a disaster.

00:47:52.000 It's a national emergency.

00:47:53.000 It really is.

00:47:54.000 And as someone who believes that marriage and that the nuclear family is foundational, right?

00:47:58.000 Before you have federal governance, state governance, you need to have self-governance, and that's the nuclear family, and that's why the left attacks it.

00:48:05.000 I believe that marriage is bedrock, it's foundational.

00:48:08.000 And it's hard for me, with the current system, and I spoke with Dr. Jordan Peterson about this, it's hard for me to recommend it to a young man who's successful.

00:48:18.000 Who has a lot to bring to the table without, for example, some kind of a prenuptial agreement.

00:48:22.000 Because at any point, the legal system exists where it's like giving one person nukes, right?

00:48:27.000 And giving the other person, and this could be whether it's a man or woman, but it really is kind of tilted against the primary provider.

00:48:34.000 They go, look, I just don't know, like I have people, they'll say, I've saved up six figures, I've worked, you know, I worked three jobs, didn't take on any student debt.

00:48:42.000 And I think that I love this woman, but the truth is at any point she can change her mind and they're afraid.

00:48:47.000 And the problem does lie with, in my opinion, the no-fault divorce.

00:48:51.000 A lot of people don't realize this.

00:48:52.000 No-fault divorce started with Dr. Kinsey, the guy who believed that everyone was a little bit gay, and Hugh Hefner.

00:48:58.000 Because before that there was either cheating, in which case you were punished, Physical abuse, in which case you were punished.

00:49:04.000 Or, if there was no cheating or abuse, abandonment, meaning you can't just renege on a contract.

00:49:08.000 So it was never the idea that you could just sleep with your secretary and walk off. 0.96

00:49:12.000 Kinsey and Hefner were saying that men actually are promiscuous animals. 0.85

00:49:18.000 They should not be punished for sleeping with multiple women.

00:49:20.000 So they said, let's have no-fault divorce, thinking it would result in a man being able to bang his secretary and walk off. 0.99

00:49:25.000 And instead, it morphed into, actually now, anyone can walk at any point.

00:49:30.000 Well, in the percentage, which is debatable, you see this number thrown out there, which I believe is high and debunked.

00:49:36.000 It has been debunked, but it is not insignificant.

00:49:39.000 There is a high percentage of divorces that are—I won't say the number, because I see a lot of people say, 80% of divorces are initiated by women.

00:49:45.000 It's not 80%, but it is high.

00:49:47.000 It's close to 70, and it's over 80 if both members of the couple are college-educated.

00:49:53.000 Okay, so yeah, so there's the ask, that's the additional information.

00:49:57.000 So I'm not going to deny that.

00:49:57.000 Yeah.

00:50:00.000 But I will say to people that tout that is like, well, let's look, I mean, are all 80% of these women just whores that want to take the guy's money? 1.00

00:50:09.000 No, there's probably a reason that they're getting divorced. 0.96

00:50:12.000 Well, that is, but infidelity and abuse are not even among the top five listed.

00:50:17.000 I buy that.

00:50:18.000 The number one was like lack of, you know, he's no longer communicating or feeling like, you know, they aren't as invested.

00:50:24.000 Irrevocable differences is probably, or what is it?

00:50:26.000 Irreconcilable differences, but no one files that anymore because that's... Oh, is that?

00:50:29.000 It's just, well, because what ends up happening is you're incentivized by a billion dollar industry of Cite some kind of abuse, and then you get more, right?

00:50:29.000 Okay.

00:50:38.000 And so men are afraid of that, and it's a legitimate fear. 0.58

00:50:40.000 I mean, let's say it's 60%, which is low.

00:50:43.000 But for a young man who has maybe taken on a huge burden, and by the way, I see this with people who are good men who are afraid of it, I think we need to look at those laws and those systems and then say, look, everyone needs to be on equal footing, rebalance The rules that we saw with feminism before we try and solve the problem.

00:51:01.000 And then, yes, personal accountability for a lot of men absolve themselves.

00:51:04.000 If you're going to the club and you're sleeping with 20 women a month, that's your problem. 1.00

00:51:07.000 That's not a good thing.

00:51:08.000 Yeah, I mean, we agree 100% on that, that the laws need to be what people focus on because laws can change.

00:51:15.000 I mean, Roe v. Wade was overturned.

00:51:17.000 I mean, you can change laws.

00:51:19.000 You can disincentivize the divorce industry. 1.00

00:51:22.000 My realtor loved the guy, but divorced four times.

00:51:26.000 And he was married to a newswoman in the state.

00:51:32.000 And he said to me one time, he's like, he's just a wild dude.

00:51:37.000 Like, when he said I'd been divorced four times, I was like, okay, yeah, yeah.

00:51:40.000 It's like Sean Connery status.

00:51:42.000 And he's like, just, he's like, whatever you do, just, do it yourself, you know, like do it,

00:51:42.000 Right.

00:51:47.000 because you can file, like, you know, since the lawyers just take everything.

00:51:52.000 I'm like, well, maybe just stop getting married, bro.

00:51:54.000 You're on your fourth, like, just date her now, you know?

00:51:57.000 And he had, so one thing you are, one thing that is relevant is when you're talking about

00:52:02.000 the income disparity that creates more risk for men.

00:52:06.000 Now, I'm sure that income disparity for women exists, too. 1.00

00:52:11.000 You just don't hear it talked about as much.

00:52:13.000 So when you're talking about a young professional man who's got his stuff together, he definitely has more pause.

00:52:21.000 We're divorced now than he did 20 years ago.

00:52:25.000 But not everybody's, there are a lot of financial guys, guys who don't have their finances necessarily together.

00:52:30.000 Sure.

00:52:31.000 You know, when I got married, I had a five, famously like a 515, however low the credits, like I signed up for every free t-shirt I could.

00:52:39.000 It was like, what's a social security number?

00:52:41.000 Oh, a free credit card?

00:52:41.000 Here you go.

00:52:43.000 Oh, free, oh, I love the Malky Bucks.

00:52:44.000 Yeah, I'll take it.

00:52:45.000 So, like, my credit score was as low as it could physically go.

00:52:49.000 And when I got married, we had to buy our first house on what's called a stated income mortgage, which basically is like, okay, he makes money, but he can't pay his bills.

00:52:58.000 So like she fixed my credit score, but we got married younger.

00:53:01.000 It's not like I had millions in the bank.

00:53:03.000 It's not like I had much of anything in the bank.

00:53:05.000 So it is fair to say that when you have that income disparity, maybe reducing the stigma around prenuptial agreements would probably be a good thing to do.

00:53:13.000 I agree, and you know what, the church has failed people with that.

00:53:17.000 I think, honestly, I was actually, I was watching Braveheart recently, and remember they invoked Prima Nocta, right?

00:53:22.000 Where they get to sleep with the- You get to take their daughter away. 0.97

00:53:24.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:53:25.000 So they get married in secret, right?

00:53:26.000 They get married in secret to Mel Gibson and the very fetching lady, I don't remember the name of the actress, she escapes me.

00:53:32.000 And by the way, a good example of how nudity can be done in a film and it not be pornographic It was meant to be a wedding night secret.

00:53:38.000 It was erotic in a sense of, like, but this is a beautiful union of two people.

00:53:42.000 I actually really appreciate that because it's a lost art.

00:53:45.000 It's all just, like, hardcore.

00:53:47.000 Like, you see it on Netflix, it's like, gee, it's OK.

00:53:49.000 Exactly.

00:53:50.000 You know, you go from Braveheart, you're like, oh, look, they're getting married in the highlands to, like, cuties.

00:53:53.000 Gah! 1.00

00:53:55.000 Yeah, well, I remember when I'd be like, oh, remember in Lethal Weapon 2 where you see his dead girlfriend underwater and you see her boobs? 0.85

00:54:01.000 Like, it used to be that rare.

00:54:02.000 Remember the whole nine yards when Amanda Peete leans over the balcony?

00:54:06.000 She's positively dangling, bro.

00:54:09.000 You remember that, don't you?

00:54:13.000 That's another danger, too, because it desensitizes young men.

00:54:15.000 Pornography is bad, too.

00:54:18.000 And again, as someone who supports freedom of choice, sure, but people need to know the risks.

00:54:22.000 Talking about that, they got married in secret because of the laws, right?

00:54:26.000 When the law of the land, it flagrantly flies in the face of, as Christians, you believe God's law, I think we're at that point in this country where it's like, well, if a dude who now claims to be a woman can get married to a guy, and by the way, we're going to have a multi-billion dollar industry that incentivizes them to leave for no reason whatsoever, I think that maybe the church needs to recognize there's a difference between the covenant before God and, for example, the state.

00:54:48.000 Because they're basically a notary, that pastor.

00:54:51.000 And then like you said, the idea of prenuptial agreements, like people say it's planning

00:54:55.000 for it to fail.

00:54:56.000 Well, hold on a second.

00:54:57.000 If you look at it, it's like, okay, with a prenuptial agreement, if you're poor, this

00:54:59.000 person's rich, you get married, you're both rich.

00:55:01.000 If you leave for no reason, you go back both to where you started.

00:55:05.000 The flip side is if you don't, you're poor, this person's rich, you get married, you're

00:55:08.000 both rich, you leave at any point in Texas, if you cheat, and now you're rich.

00:55:12.000 Same in Wisconsin, I think, too.

00:55:14.000 Yeah, that's a bastardization of that covenant that you both take, the vows that you take.

00:55:18.000 And I think there are good men.

00:55:20.000 My point is, we're not talking about the people who are players in this sort of black pill culture. 0.99

00:55:24.000 A small percentage of the group.

00:55:26.000 Right.

00:55:26.000 But I do think there are good men out there who are afraid because of where they find themselves.

00:55:30.000 Well, I think there has to be a happy middle ground because, obviously, as the resident feminist here, there are scenarios where... You're a big feminist. 1.00

00:55:40.000 You see?

00:55:40.000 Very large.

00:55:41.000 I see the chonky meme going on. 1.00

00:55:44.000 So what I'll say is, for example, I asked my wife to retire two years ago because it was like...

00:55:52.000 Hey, you make X, I make X times whatever.

00:55:57.000 She had a good job.

00:55:58.000 She has a college degree, good job.

00:56:00.000 She's maybe making $60,000 or $80,000 a year. 1.00

00:56:04.000 But I'm like, well, I could work two more hours a week and make that, and then you can help her on the house and whatever. 0.83

00:56:11.000 So like 10 years from now, she doesn't have her job.

00:56:13.000 So I understand that spousal support Sure.

00:56:19.000 But it's way too out of control.

00:56:21.000 I agree with that.

00:56:22.000 And I think if I look at it, since I'm not divorced, I can't speak to that.

00:56:28.000 But what I can say is if I found myself on the market again, hypothetically, that pre-nup is automatic, right?

00:56:34.000 Unless she has equal or similar wealth, that'd have to be it. 0.99

00:56:38.000 You'd have to find a high-earning woman or a woman who has money, and then maybe it's not a big deal. 0.84

00:56:45.000 But I feel like If they can destigmatize that part of it, like, hey, you know, I love you, but you must have to put it up front, right?

00:56:53.000 You got to put it out there up front.

00:56:55.000 No, I think you're right.

00:56:56.000 And I think, again, it's like for good.

00:56:58.000 And a big part of this, too, is we find ourselves here, I think, as a society because of the lies that, you know, this is what's going to fulfill you and make you happy.

00:57:04.000 And it really is, honestly, it's horrible for young women because they have Basically tried to make themselves more valuable in the dating space in the way that they would find men more valuable.

00:57:15.000 It's why Jeff Bezos will marry a waitress. 0.98

00:57:17.000 He doesn't care.

00:57:18.000 I don't care either.

00:57:20.000 No, exactly.

00:57:20.000 Men don't care.

00:57:22.000 Feminism told him to get a job.

00:57:23.000 We didn't tell him that.

00:57:24.000 And then they say, well, what you want is toxic masculinity. 1.00

00:57:27.000 For example, men want nice.

00:57:28.000 They want to come home to a safe haven, right?

00:57:30.000 That's the big thing.

00:57:31.000 Men don't care if you're a CEO. 1.00

00:57:32.000 No man ever has cared.

00:57:35.000 No, he's like, I'm proud that you're self-sustaining and strong opinions, that you'll stand by your convictions, but a lot of women go, I don't know why men don't, like, I make this amount of money, I've advanced my, I went to school.

00:57:45.000 It's like, well, he doesn't care.

00:57:47.000 Gross.

00:57:47.000 He doesn't care about that in a man.

00:57:50.000 Not gross, but it's sort of irrelevant.

00:57:52.000 It is super irrelevant to men, and that was a big lie of third-wave feminism that really pushed this girl boss mentality. 1.00

00:57:59.000 And you're 100% right in that guys do not care.

00:58:03.000 They don't care that you've got a job.

00:58:06.000 Now, not to go too far down the rabbit hole, but thanks to by dynamics, and not just by dynamics, but we are living in a world now where two-income household is a necessity for a lot of people, which I think has also added to You know, when both, I mean, the ideal scenario is at least one person, if you're gonna have kids, one person stays home.

00:58:27.000 I'm not against women working at all.

00:58:28.000 No, choice is what they have.

00:58:30.000 Yeah, it's cool.

00:58:31.000 But it's like, now you have two income, both of you have to work to afford your apartment.

00:58:35.000 That's already putting the relationship in like a weird, stressful spot.

00:58:38.000 You see each other kind of connecting flights sometimes.

00:58:40.000 Or if you have kids, like when I grew up, my parents worked My mom worked first shift, my dad worked second shift, so that we weren't home alone.

00:58:40.000 Right.

00:58:49.000 And they would see each other on the weekends.

00:58:51.000 Because, you know, my dad would be sleeping or my mom would be sleeping.

00:58:55.000 And that's what they did for 13 years.

00:58:58.000 Probably wasn't awesome for their marriage.

00:58:59.000 It's going to be tough, yeah.

00:59:01.000 They never got divorced or anything, but I'm sure it wasn't awesome.

00:59:05.000 If I only saw my wife on weekends, and then you have all this baggage, you know how that goes?

00:59:10.000 One of my all-time least favorite things to do is if my wife, who is literally perfect in every conceivable way... No, she's not, but that's okay.

00:59:22.000 You know, I'll come back, like I'm going to come back from this trip, I'm going to walk in the door, I'm going to put down my luggage, and she's going to be like, okay, so, and then there's going to be like 20 things.

00:59:31.000 You need 15 minutes of download.

00:59:32.000 Yeah, I'm like just, you know, and I imagine it's probably like that when both people work all the time.

00:59:37.000 You have a small window and you're like barking out, I need you to take the kids to this or this or that.

00:59:37.000 Yeah.

00:59:41.000 It creates a lot of stress, so I think that that's got to factor into it too.

00:59:45.000 Well, I think, and here's the thing, is again, I think people are identifying, there really is a problem right now where men, like you talk about, are hurting.

00:59:52.000 And, and I used to be, I will tell you this, I used to be way more open about struggling with depression and stuff on the show.

00:59:57.000 I would discuss it all the time because I hoped that people would... K?

00:59:57.000 Yeah.

01:00:00.000 Yeah, I hoped that people wouldn't feel alone.

01:00:01.000 Yeah.

01:00:02.000 I don't talk about it anymore because it'll be weaponized against you.

01:00:04.000 I still do.

01:00:05.000 I don't care if they weaponize it against me.

01:00:05.000 Yeah.

01:00:07.000 I think you should still talk about it, Stephen.

01:00:09.000 But, you know, maybe at some point... It doesn't make you weak.

01:00:09.000 I really do.

01:00:12.000 Oh, it doesn't make you weak, but they can take your kids away. 0.69

01:00:14.000 Okay, well, that's fine.

01:00:15.000 And that's the issue that men struggle with.

01:00:16.000 Well, that's not what you said, though.

01:00:18.000 No, no, but it's true, but that's what I mean by weaponizing it against you.

01:00:20.000 And I'm not speaking about me specifically, but that is true.

01:00:22.000 I mean, look at Johnny Depp. 0.99

01:00:24.000 When it started, they were like, he's mentally ill. 0.99

01:00:27.000 Look, Johnny Depp, he drinks. 1.00

01:00:29.000 Well, maybe he's drinking because you shit in the bed. 1.00

01:00:31.000 That's not hot. 1.00

01:00:32.000 I'm heard as an attractive girl, but I do not want a grumpy in my life. 0.98

01:00:36.000 No, no, neither do I.

01:00:37.000 Yeah, it leaves – sometimes a woman leaves a grumpy to show she cares. 1.00

01:00:39.000 I don't think that was one of those scenarios.

01:00:41.000 At least not in the – maybe in the litter box or something.

01:00:43.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:00:44.000 Like some place where it might go.

01:00:46.000 I don't think it takes Columbo to realize that dogs don't crap in the litter box.

01:00:49.000 We'd probably know.

01:00:50.000 He's like, yeah.

01:00:51.000 Yeah.

01:00:52.000 We don't have a cat.

01:00:53.000 Yeah.

01:00:54.000 But no, I think it's one of those scenarios where men are hurting.

01:00:58.000 They're afraid because it's like be vulnerable.

01:00:59.000 They'll often have it used against them.

01:01:01.000 And so they're afraid of the risk is kind of one side.

01:01:06.000 And that is true societally, one-sided.

01:01:08.000 The blame is one-sided.

01:01:09.000 And so they respond by saying all women.

01:01:12.000 Now I think, here's my point of view, is the church has failed people in a lot of ways

01:01:17.000 because the truth is it's women who take children to Sunday school. 1.00

01:01:20.000 It's a recruitment issue at church too, by the way.

01:01:22.000 It's a recruitment issue and they know that they're going to recruit women more readily 0.99

01:01:24.000 than men.

01:01:25.000 And so they'll call men to the mat very regularly, very rarely with women as far as what these

01:01:31.000 And I've watched this happen in the church, and young men go, well, hold on a second, why am I the only one being brought up?

01:01:37.000 Including the Christian church, I'm not talking about the secular community.

01:01:39.000 And at a certain point, they go, okay, I think a lot of young men, this is where I think they're hurting.

01:01:45.000 You know, you hear the stats, like 97 or 94% of workplace deaths are men, right?

01:01:49.000 Men die younger, all these things.

01:01:51.000 All the men are homeless, all the men are... All those things, right?

01:01:53.000 Because we occupy the spectrums of the bell curve.

01:01:55.000 I think that a big part of it Is young men feel like what they provide is a baseline taken for granted.

01:02:05.000 So for example, in the United States today, providing and protecting.

01:02:08.000 If you do not provide and protect, you're a deadbeat.

01:02:10.000 It's not a plus, it's a minimum.

01:02:13.000 But it's taken for granted.

01:02:15.000 It's assumed you do this.

01:02:16.000 But there are minimums required of the other side.

01:02:19.000 So I think that's the question.

01:02:20.000 What are the minimums required by the other side?

01:02:23.000 What are those minimums?

01:02:24.000 And I don't think they're as clear as, for example, provide, protect. We don't have the choice to be a stay-at-home dad

01:02:29.000 if we want to attract a woman.

01:02:31.000 Yeah, I would like to have a baby and stay home. Any women? 1.00

01:02:34.000 Any takers?

01:02:34.000 Right. So what is the equivalent? I think young men are saying, well, what is the equivalent as far as like,

01:02:39.000 because if I stop providing, if I stop working, I have to pay no matter what.

01:02:45.000 I'm legally required to.

01:02:47.000 What is the minimum on the other side?

01:02:48.000 And they feel like I'm taking a risk with no guarantee, whereas it's required of me.

01:02:54.000 And I see this because my audience is different, young, usually Christian men, who are, it's

01:02:59.000 an internal struggle.

01:03:00.000 Well the church would say submission is required of the other side, right?

01:03:03.000 Sure.

01:03:04.000 Of women. 0.52

01:03:05.000 But that's not on a dotted line to the decimal.

01:03:07.000 Well that's not also in the cultural zeitgeist, or like, that's not a, you know, women are 1.00

01:03:12.000 not, like, it's actually frowned at, like, third wave feminism made fun of those women. 1.00

01:03:17.000 Right.

01:03:18.000 Like, that's why there's this, even though I believe it's inauthentic, this pushback on, like, websites like TikTok for tradwives.

01:03:25.000 Yeah, it's a gimmick, but I understand the principle.

01:03:27.000 But, yeah, but there's a reason people are watching.

01:03:29.000 Right. 0.95

01:03:30.000 It's like, it's like porn for men. 0.99

01:03:32.000 Like, oh, my God. 1.00

01:03:34.000 Porn is porn for men. 0.99

01:03:35.000 But yes, the principle. 0.99

01:03:35.000 Well, it's like stimulating Because you're like, oh my God, a woman who's happy to just stay at home? 0.99

01:03:41.000 This is crazy!

01:03:43.000 And then all the women that make these videos also happen to be super hot, which also helps. 1.00

01:03:48.000 It always helps.

01:03:49.000 But in general, I think you're right.

01:03:53.000 Men are like, wait, this is an option? 0.60

01:03:56.000 Yeah.

01:03:58.000 I thought, okay, cool.

01:03:59.000 Well, yeah, that would be nice.

01:04:02.000 People, I think we could get back to single income, and I do think women would be happier. 0.99

01:04:07.000 Some women would be happier. 1.00

01:04:09.000 Not going to work every day.

01:04:10.000 My wife hated it. 0.97

01:04:11.000 Every day she came home, she'd say, I hate my job, I hate my job, I hate my job.

01:04:14.000 Now, eventually I was just like, would you just quit already?

01:04:18.000 But the flip side would be, what if you gave me my job, would your wife ever say, would you just quit already?

01:04:22.000 That's the assumed burden.

01:04:23.000 Well, she did tell me to quit.

01:04:26.000 To not work?

01:04:26.000 To pursue a different project, not to not work.

01:04:30.000 Exactly.

01:04:31.000 Whereas you were saying, maybe don't work.

01:04:33.000 Yeah, I was saying, just quit.

01:04:35.000 But, fair, correct.

01:04:36.000 Which, by the way, makes you a man, you're saying, it's like a gift.

01:04:41.000 You're saying, I don't want you to have to do this horrible thing that you hate.

01:04:44.000 The issue, I think, and this is what we're seeing with young men, and this is a problem again with the red pill, or sorry, the black pill, whatever people want to call it now.

01:04:51.000 Kind of the extreme Red Pill side.

01:04:53.000 Yes, exactly.

01:04:54.000 As young men go, okay, so they see it as a gift. 0.51

01:04:57.000 In other words, I'm going to work really, really hard because I want to give you what you want.

01:04:59.000 Because men love their women.

01:05:00.000 I wanted to do that.

01:05:01.000 I was like, this is awesome.

01:05:01.000 Right.

01:05:03.000 But at any point, young men go, yes, but she could just decide she doesn't want to, and there's nothing I can do, and I can't do it if I'm the primary earner.

01:05:12.000 So that's the contract.

01:05:14.000 How do we fix that?

01:05:15.000 And I say this because I have young Christian men who go, this is a pragmatic concern outside of the spiritual idea of a bond. 0.99

01:05:22.000 And that's a very different problem that I see from people just going, I want to sleep with bitches and then call them hoes. 1.00

01:05:26.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:05:27.000 Do you think that this is something that I've been public about on my channel?

01:05:31.000 I've never been a very religious guy.

01:05:32.000 I've been, you know, ever since my dad passed, I started to kind of I'm, like, Christ curious.

01:05:40.000 So, like, I'm thinking about going back to church for the community aspect of it.

01:05:44.000 And I'm not, like, somebody who is, like, I'm not a Bible thumper.

01:05:49.000 I'm less overt about it.

01:05:51.000 I wouldn't even know if I would call myself Christian now.

01:05:54.000 I've started to read the Bible, and it's very difficult because I have to read every paragraph, like, six times.

01:06:00.000 Yeah.

01:06:02.000 I think that you can mitigate risk by marrying the right woman and I think maybe if more people were taking part in church or taking part in these community type things.

01:06:14.000 Now, you have mentioned there are issues within the church and how they talk about the relationship that I'm unfamiliar with.

01:06:20.000 But I think as a community, I think that changing the laws would be great and it should be something.

01:06:27.000 Now, I don't know how popular that's going to be.

01:06:29.000 Right.

01:06:32.000 I don't know.

01:06:33.000 I guess I don't know because I didn't think Roe v. Wade was going to get overturned.

01:06:36.000 This is a state-level thing.

01:06:38.000 Ronald Reagan said it was one of his biggest mistakes because California was the first place to do it.

01:06:44.000 If you were driving here in Texas, you will see billboards everywhere for divorce attorneys.

01:06:48.000 Like that in Wisconsin, too.

01:06:49.000 Yeah, it's the same thing.

01:06:51.000 It's the only contract where, and we say men and women, but the truth is it really is the primary earner.

01:06:56.000 And then there is a statistic that men who aren't the primary earners very, very rarely.

01:07:01.000 There are men that get alimony.

01:07:02.000 But it's very rare.

01:07:03.000 They often opt not to out of shame.

01:07:05.000 Oh, I take it.

01:07:07.000 I would want to, because this would be for all the men out there.

01:07:10.000 I'm cashing that check every month.

01:07:13.000 I guess, but a lot of men don't.

01:07:15.000 So I separate into that like the primary earner.

01:07:18.000 Yeah, there's a multi-billion dollar industry, which is really predicated on incentivizing one side to break a contract, which exists nowhere else in the business world.

01:07:28.000 So it has to start at that level, and I do think it has to start with Like you said, policing their own.

01:07:33.000 The issue, I think, is, you know, men, we tend to police our own relatively well.

01:07:37.000 Like, this is why when people say rape culture, I don't know about you, no one has ever, in my guys' huddles, like, by the way, don't we love raping? 0.92

01:07:44.000 Like, what the hell did you just say? 0.97

01:07:45.000 It's so freakin' sweet, man.

01:07:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:07:47.000 We'd all be like, oh, we're gonna kick the shit out of you. 1.00

01:07:49.000 Yeah, right. 1.00

01:07:50.000 On account of you're a rapist and we have mothers and daughters and wives. 0.99

01:07:55.000 Women don't tend to be as good at policing their own because they either want to be more agreeable and they're dominated by the loudest voices, which is feminism. 1.00

01:08:02.000 And so there isn't the same level of self-accountability.

01:08:05.000 What would you say if I said part of the solution is less people getting married, but having some sort of civil union?

01:08:14.000 Still.

01:08:15.000 No, I agree.

01:08:16.000 But like marriage without the contract, you know, like I think, I think that we need to wreck at a certain point when like, for example, this happened during I was single, that'd be a real option. 0.99

01:08:25.000 I mean, at this stage, you know, but the problem is that that can't happen because of, you know, the same idea of a prenup, but we need to be destigmatized because feminists say, well, now you're trying to get away with being a piece of crap. 1.00

01:08:25.000 Yes. 1.00

01:08:35.000 They might be able to sue you anyway, if you're living together for a certain period of time, common law marriage, that might not work.

01:08:41.000 Yeah, I mean, I think, obviously, the solution for all of this is personal accountability, where, I mean, that's the root solution of everything, but then it does kind of have to come out that the laws exist, as they do, and young men are afraid of them.

01:08:53.000 They really, really are.

01:08:54.000 Like, I kind of had to, even when we were doing the life advice, and it kept coming back, kept coming back, like, you know, I've saved up this, and I really think she's good, and they present you with the story of a close friend.

01:09:04.000 And lost everything.

01:09:06.000 I do agree.

01:09:07.000 I think we saw this with COVID, where you say, okay, when do you obey God's law versus the law of the land?

01:09:11.000 Well, when the law of the land is quite literally contradicting God's law.

01:09:15.000 And I think we've reached that point with the state version of marriage.

01:09:20.000 And then also on a cultural, we've certainly reached that with dating apps and hookup culture, right?

01:09:24.000 So you have to recognize both.

01:09:26.000 Yeah, I think that I think the commodification of love and the relationship and the dopamine hits of like quick, quick hookup culture is just accelerated a crumbling institution that is marriage.

01:09:38.000 But I also think this is gonna sound idealistic because I'm just a just a Midwestern guy.

01:09:44.000 But like, I feel like Maybe it stings less if you value your product.

01:09:52.000 It's different with kids.

01:09:53.000 I'm gonna make this qualifier.

01:09:54.000 Kids change everything.

01:09:56.000 I don't think I would care if she took half my money. 0.97

01:10:00.000 I don't think I would care.

01:10:03.000 But maybe it's because I'm in a different financial situation and I'm like, I'll still be okay, kind of thing.

01:10:08.000 I don't mean, that's not like a humblebrag, but I think if somebody's got $35,000 in the bank and they're like, I'm trying to restart my life, and she took half that, plus the lawyer took the rest, that's not good.

01:10:20.000 If I'm in a toxic, terrible relationship, the money for me is like the least of the reason that I'm staying.

01:10:27.000 Yeah, no, and I think it is the least for, let me give you kind of, and I think this is where, And again, the problem is you can't say, hey, we need to

01:10:36.000 change the marriage laws and then say, by the way, bang a bunch of hoes. 1.00

01:10:39.000 Well, that's a problem because you're saying, well, hold on a second.

01:10:42.000 You can do one or the other.

01:10:43.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:10:44.000 Yeah.

01:10:45.000 The story was kind of told to me from someone, and it was this.

01:10:48.000 It's not about, like you said, it's not about the end point.

01:10:51.000 It's about those years in between where you can go, hey, look, this is what I, you sign up for a partnership and you say, these are the things that I want or I need.

01:11:00.000 If you're the, you know, for example, a man right now in a state like Wisconsin.

01:11:03.000 And a man told me a story, a woman said, yeah, I'm not going to do any of those things.

01:11:07.000 If you bring it up again, I'm going to leave you and take your stuff.

01:11:10.000 And walked out of the room.

01:11:12.000 And he immediately realized it was true.

01:11:14.000 Yeah.

01:11:14.000 That's a horrible place.

01:11:15.000 It's like giving one side nukes and saying you have to take it.

01:11:18.000 And that is not what a relationship should be, but that's because it's been perverted by the state.

01:11:23.000 And a lot of young men are afraid.

01:11:25.000 It's not about the... I don't think it's about money.

01:11:27.000 I think it's about the dynamics of the relationship where if something goes bump in the night, the young man is expected to put his life on the line or he's a deadbeat.

01:11:36.000 He doesn't have choice.

01:11:37.000 Men don't have choice if they want to have a relationship. 0.97

01:11:41.000 Men really don't.

01:11:42.000 That is true.

01:11:42.000 You do have to fulfill certain obligations, and I think that... You have choice, but... Well, you don't have choice to be a stay-at-home guy not working and plan to find a good woman.

01:11:53.000 But a woman can if she's very nice. 0.96

01:11:53.000 Right. 0.96

01:11:55.000 She offers other things and brings other things to the table.

01:11:58.000 Like, she could be a waitress. 0.99

01:11:59.000 Like I said, Jeff Bezos would marry her.

01:12:01.000 Yeah, I mean, I think that's true, but it also speaks to just different value systems, right?

01:12:07.000 Sure.

01:12:08.000 There's a reason that when I got with my wife, we started dating when we were 17, so I've been with her since I was 17 years old.

01:12:19.000 You like him young.

01:12:21.000 Yeah, I robbed that cradle.

01:12:23.000 Actually, she robbed my cradle. 1.00

01:12:25.000 She 18 and you were 17?

01:12:27.000 Oh no, actually I robbed her cradle.

01:12:28.000 Oh yeah, you just realized, you just confessed to being statutorily assaulted.

01:12:32.000 Yeah, we waited until marriage, Stephen.

01:12:33.000 But still, the age is the age.

01:12:36.000 Yeah, isn't there a statute of limitations?

01:12:39.000 It changed with Eugene Carroll, be careful!

01:12:43.000 I just think like, it's weird because my perspective is like, when I started dating someone, I had nothing.

01:12:43.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:12:50.000 Right.

01:12:50.000 And we were like rubbing two nickels together to pay, you know, like doing the, I'd go to Walmart at like midnight, allegedly, and write a check for $20 over that, you know, I knew I didn't have because I needed to get, because Walmart would let you write a check over.

01:13:03.000 Everyone in the line hated you.

01:13:04.000 Yeah, everyone hated me. 1.00

01:13:05.000 I take out your check for like this ass. 1.00

01:13:07.000 Yeah, well they were doing that anyway. 0.99

01:13:09.000 But the, you know, so they, so like, we were forged in poorness and struggle,

01:13:15.000 so like once we had money, I didn't, I guess I value it much less.

01:13:19.000 But I look at the perspective of my friends who have never been married but have accumulated,

01:13:26.000 I don't know what their bank accounts are, but I assume they don't have a woman,

01:13:29.000 so they have plenty of money, I mean, they shop, right?

01:13:31.000 But the, they have, they're things, you know, that my friends have, their toys, their jet skis,

01:13:36.000 their boats, their planes, their whatever.

01:13:39.000 And I worry, this for a different day, but layer into this AI women and all these like. 1.00

01:13:46.000 Yeah, no, I agree.

01:13:47.000 These AI sex bots and stuff that are out there.

01:13:50.000 Civilization, Western civilization is in trouble.

01:13:54.000 Like men are already choosing not to marry.

01:13:56.000 Imagine you could have a different wife every night. 1.00

01:13:59.000 And this is our lifetime too.

01:14:01.000 This isn't, I'm not talking flying cars.

01:14:03.000 No, no, no, I get it.

01:14:04.000 In five years, these things will be everywhere, you know?

01:14:07.000 Although hopefully men will realize that that AI sexbot could end up like Megan. 1.00

01:14:11.000 Yeah, or perhaps they will sue you for half.

01:14:14.000 They become sentient and sue you.

01:14:16.000 Instead of iRobot feeling pain, it's like, I can make money.

01:14:19.000 Or it'll be like, what's that other movie?

01:14:22.000 Deus Ex Machina?

01:14:26.000 That was pretty creepy.

01:14:27.000 That was pretty creepy.

01:14:29.000 But quite a figure on that robot.

01:14:32.000 Yeah, he was.

01:14:32.000 All right, well look, it's the quartering at 5.30 p.m.

01:14:36.000 Eastern on Rumble.

01:14:37.000 Of course, you can follow him on X. We're going to continue here on Mug Club discussing all this.

01:14:42.000 What else?

01:14:42.000 I don't know.

01:14:43.000 Screw the notepad.

01:14:44.000 Right now, if you're on Rumble, click that button.

01:14:46.000 You get to join Mug Club. 0.86

01:14:48.000 Is this on? 0.98

01:14:48.000 YouTube, piss off. 0.98

Louder with Crowder - May 30, 2024

Magic: TheQuartering | Ash Wednesday with Jeremy Hambly

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