Louder with Crowder - Megyn Kelly Weighs in on #BelieveWomen | #17 Good Morning #MugClub

00:00:00.000 Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no.

00:00:13.000 Oh, no.

00:05:22.000 Okay. Good morning. I gotta yeah, clean yourself.

00:05:50.000 I gotta clean myself up because our next guest is, uh, it's, um, it's like looking into the sun.

00:05:56.000 A little bit, yeah.

00:05:56.000 She's nowhere near as attractive as my wife.

00:05:58.000 This is a horrible way to start, because I can either insult my wife or my next guest.

00:06:01.000 I love my wife!

00:06:02.000 You just painted yourself into a corner.

00:06:04.000 I just mean she's a very fetching woman. 0.97

00:06:06.000 And she's really made some waves here, of course, online.

00:06:09.000 And a lot of you know her from all sorts of different platforms.

00:06:11.000 You can follow her now on the YouTubes.

00:06:13.000 I have no idea if she is monetized.

00:06:15.000 If she is, soon to not be.

00:06:17.000 As all of us.

00:06:17.000 All of us.

00:06:18.000 YouTube.com slash Megyn Kelly.

00:06:21.000 Senorita Kelly, thank you for being here.

00:06:22.000 Appreciate it.

00:06:24.000 Hi, my pleasure.

00:06:25.000 Thanks for having me.

00:06:26.000 I don't know if I would say my pleasure.

00:06:27.000 I know we're talking a little bit off-air here, but you're a very friendly person.

00:06:32.000 That's real, right?

00:06:37.000 That's what's real. 0.94

00:06:37.000 People think I'm, like, this raging bitch because, you know, they see me doing a cable news primetime show talking to politicians, and that's not, like, a rosy walk in the park, but my normal personality is totally charming. 0.94

00:06:49.000 Yes, it is. 0.98

00:06:50.000 If I had to do that, I would be swallowing a knife at the end of every episode.

00:06:53.000 They'd be like, hey, we're coming back with The Great American and Stephen's dead.

00:06:56.000 What happened?

00:06:57.000 That was so fast.

00:07:00.000 You're out there every day.

00:07:01.000 You're talking about ISIS.

00:07:02.000 You're talking about torture.

00:07:03.000 You're talking about, you know, like shootings.

00:07:05.000 It's like, and people think you're going to just be like all roses and unicorns.

00:07:09.000 It's like, okay.

00:07:10.000 So that, but that doesn't mean that I'm not a happy, kind person.

00:07:13.000 It's just not an appropriate really demeanor for primetime cable news.

00:07:17.000 Well, I asked because, obviously, we've had interactions before, because we both worked at other networks, and you were always pleasant when I would see you, and the cameras would stop rolling, and you'd go, oh, okay, that was fun.

00:07:28.000 Whereas I had had other people who the cameras stopped rolling, and I was like, get the hell out of here, kid.

00:07:32.000 So I just want to make sure that there isn't a slow burn.

00:07:38.000 You see all the news coming out now about Ellen, right?

00:07:40.000 It's like all these stories about how she's really nasty behind the scenes or, you know, she just wasn't nice to guests or she wasn't nice to her crew, whatever.

00:07:47.000 And I feel like I'm exactly the opposite.

00:07:49.000 People say that I'm like this sort of ice queen, but you'll never find any crew member I work with who would ever say anything bad about me.

00:07:55.000 Like, I treat the people I work with really well.

00:07:58.000 Yeah.

00:07:58.000 But people think I've heard that term ice queen a lot just because it's like, well, you know, you're talking to politicians.

00:08:03.000 What are you going to do? 1.00

00:08:04.000 Like, most of them tend to be jerks and a lot of them tend to be liars. 1.00

00:08:07.000 And it's like, What are you going to do? 1.00

00:08:09.000 I'm not going to buddy up to those guys.

00:08:11.000 They're not my friends.

00:08:12.000 No, you're hanging out with the worst people among humanity.

00:08:14.000 They're the modern day Pharisees and Sadducees.

00:08:17.000 They crucify Jesus, is how we want to introduce this.

00:08:20.000 So I want to move on to, you had this exclusive interview with Tara Reid.

00:08:28.000 I have to be clear with people.

00:08:30.000 The Joe Biden terror read.

00:08:32.000 Allegedly, I think that covers my, I'm not a journalist see Megan, but allegedly, right,

00:08:36.000 I have to cover my bases, potential sniffing.

00:08:39.000 So I want to roll a clip for people who haven't seen this yet and then ask you a couple of

00:08:43.000 questions about it because it was fascinating.

00:08:46.000 And I'm curious as to, I mean, obviously this is an exclusive, it's a huge scoop, a huge

00:08:49.000 story right now.

00:08:50.000 Let's see a clip for people who haven't watched yet.

00:08:52.000 When he went inside the skirt, he was talking to me at the same time and he was leaning

00:08:57.000 into me and I pulled this way away from his head.

00:09:02.000 I remember.

00:09:03.000 And so he was kissing my neck area and he whispered, did I want to go somewhere else in a low voice?

00:09:09.000 But he said, um, something vulgar. 0.99

00:09:12.000 And I asked what he, he said, I want to **** you. 0.99

00:09:20.000 And he said it low and I was pushing away. 0.99

00:09:23.000 And then he pulled back immediately when he could see I wasn't complying.

00:09:26.000 I was obviously just tensed up and frozen and not kissing him back and I'm not going with him.

00:09:31.000 And he pulled back and he looked at me and he said, come on man, I heard you liked me.

00:09:38.000 Now I want to be clear, again it's allegedly, and Joe Biden has claimed that he doesn't remember having lunch, so we don't know what's what right now.

00:09:46.000 How did this come about?

00:09:49.000 Because obviously this is a huge story, and you had this scoop.

00:09:53.000 Did she just feel like you were going to be fair-minded?

00:09:57.000 Like, I later found out that she'd been trying to reach me for a couple of weeks and had asked a number of journalists who had reached out to her, do you have a contact for Megyn Kelly?

00:10:07.000 And surprisingly was told, no, never heard of her.

00:10:10.000 We don't have any way of reaching her.

00:10:12.000 It's a competitive industry.

00:10:13.000 Yeah.

00:10:14.000 They sent some homing pigeons and that's, that's what happened.

00:10:16.000 Yeah, because, like, I know the names that she reached out to, and they do have my number, but we can give it to Tara Reade. 0.55

00:10:22.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:10:22.000 Anyway, after, like, a month of watching people ignore this story, it was just such bullshit, because you cannot believe Tara Reade. 0.97

00:10:29.000 I have no stake in whether people believe her or don't believe her, but the coverage of her story versus the Trump accusers versus Christine Blasey Ford, who accused Kavanaugh, I mean, like, the difference is just so glaring. 0.69

00:10:41.000 Yeah.

00:10:41.000 I was starting to get kind of irritated I was going to say, you don't have to work a day in your life.

00:10:47.000 I don't know if I'm revealing the folks, but you're obviously well off.

00:10:49.000 Just to see, like, how are you handling this and are you okay?

00:10:52.000 Like, just human to human.

00:10:54.000 Sure.

00:10:55.000 Not really wanting to interview.

00:10:56.000 I mean, I'm perfectly happy to sit on my couch here in Montana with my kids.

00:10:59.000 I was going to say, you don't have to work a day in your life.

00:11:01.000 I don't know if that's, if I'm revealing the folks, but you're obviously well off.

00:11:05.000 You don't need to do this.

00:11:06.000 No, I don't need to.

00:11:07.000 But like, I'm also like, you know, ladies out there, you can appreciate like, I gained the corona, you know, the COVID-19.

00:11:15.000 My roots are like five inches long.

00:11:17.000 My face is unspooling like a like a bad sweater from no Botox.

00:11:21.000 So I wasn't dying to get off the couch and go in front of the camera.

00:11:23.000 Yeah.

00:11:24.000 But I felt for her because she she seemed really like on her heels.

00:11:30.000 You know, she seemed really Overwhelmed.

00:11:32.000 Like, her bankruptcy had been posted and her daughter, who's 25, her picture and home address had just been posted.

00:11:39.000 The New York Times inadvertently posted her social security number.

00:11:42.000 This is a woman who had to change her social security number. 1.00

00:11:46.000 How does that happen?

00:11:47.000 How does the New York Times accidentally dox a social security number?

00:11:51.000 It's not like they left one portion of her address there and someone, you know, like, with, he will not divide a Shia LaBeouf, they tracked the smoke signals.

00:11:58.000 Like, you just, you just released your social security number.

00:12:03.000 In their defense, it was like a picture of an ID card that they took a picture that happened to have the social security number on it.

00:12:10.000 I'm sorry.

00:12:10.000 They can't be bothered to check an ID card for personal information.

00:12:15.000 I know.

00:12:15.000 And Tara Reid has no money.

00:12:18.000 This woman has no money. 1.00

00:12:20.000 She just got this lawyer, Doug Wigdor, who helps a lot of sexual harassment victims.

00:12:24.000 I think he's helping her pro bono.

00:12:26.000 And she just got a PR person who I think is in a similar boat.

00:12:29.000 Tara has no money for anything. 0.99

00:12:31.000 Anyway, so I called her and she said, you know, I've been trying to reach you.

00:12:35.000 I'd love for you to talk to me.

00:12:38.000 And I was like, you know, Tara, I was involved in a Me Too situation, but I wouldn't go easy on you.

00:12:45.000 And I have a lot of tough questions for you.

00:12:47.000 Like I myself have questions about your story.

00:12:49.000 And she was like, I wouldn't expect anything less.

00:12:52.000 I got on a plane, I left Montana for the first time in a couple of months, and I flew out to California and we did it.

00:12:57.000 Well, I have so many things that I want to get to.

00:12:59.000 First off, you are correct.

00:13:00.000 The first thing I was noticing was your roots.

00:13:02.000 I was ignoring the rest.

00:13:03.000 There might be firm debate over whether you're a 9.9 or a 10. 0.94

00:13:08.000 I don't know if that sucks, but the guys are like, those roots just ruin it for me. 0.87

00:13:12.000 Ugh! 0.99

00:13:14.000 That's such a woman. 1.00

00:13:15.000 Women are so much more harsh on women. 1.00

00:13:17.000 There's not a man in the world who watches this right now being like, oh, fucking roots. 1.00

00:13:23.000 No one's harder on women than we are on ourselves. 0.99

00:13:26.000 There's nothing anybody could say to me that is any harder.

00:13:30.000 Right.

00:13:30.000 I see myself, trust me.

00:13:32.000 I know I think, like, you're supposed to look at yourself in the mirror and be like, I love you, I love you, right?

00:13:36.000 That's not what most of us do.

00:13:37.000 We're like, I can do better, I need to.

00:13:39.000 Well, that's just because you need to love yourself more.

00:13:41.000 And in my case, it's inaccurate.

00:13:44.000 Like, I thought that I asked for a mirror that makes me look slimmer, and I punched the mirror when I found out it was just a normal mirror.

00:13:51.000 So, let me ask you this, though, about Tara Reade.

00:13:54.000 Before we move into her specifics, and by the way, please do tell me if I ask any specifics, because I'm not a lawyer, what I can ask, what I can't on that front.

00:14:01.000 But as someone who's obviously been in the media, and you've covered this type of story with the Me Too movement for a long time, and I think you've been pretty fair-minded about it, and like you just said, you've been a victim of it yourself, how do you balance No, I think that's baloney.

00:14:15.000 You pick who you believe.

00:14:15.000 is plausible versus sort of what had become a Twitter trend because there are

00:14:20.000 two camps believe all women always and then people who believe in due process

00:14:24.000 and unfortunately if sometimes you believe somebody and another instant you

00:14:27.000 don't people think that you're on the other team. No I think that's baloney.

00:14:33.000 You pick who you believe like you you listen you use your brain use your

00:14:37.000 common sense seems a juror would in a courtroom and you'll figure out who you

00:14:41.000 And that's the way it should be.

00:14:42.000 Right.

00:14:43.000 All we should be doing as journalists and people who control the process is making sure it's fair.

00:14:48.000 I said from the beginning, these women like Alyssa Milano with the Believe All Women t-shirt on at Christine Blasey Ford, that's absurd. 0.60

00:14:57.000 I don't get a presumption of truth-telling because I have ovaries.

00:15:03.000 Women have an inability to lie because they're women? 1.00

00:15:06.000 Since when?

00:15:06.000 Well, to be clear, to be medically accurate, ovaries do produce a trace amount of sodium pentothal.

00:15:13.000 So I do want to be clear, be medically accurate here.

00:15:17.000 Yeah, I think that's a tough position to take as a woman, especially, like you said, who's been in the middle of that.

00:15:22.000 How hard is that?

00:15:25.000 It's not a tough position to take if you're not looking for love from the woke crowd.

00:15:30.000 Which I'm not.

00:15:31.000 I don't need their love.

00:15:32.000 And I don't have it.

00:15:33.000 That's because of your roots, yeah.

00:15:41.000 At heart, I am a lawyer.

00:15:42.000 I was a litigator for 10 years.

00:15:45.000 And I covered the Duke La Crosse case.

00:15:47.000 That was one of my first big stories.

00:15:48.000 And that woman there was lying. 1.00

00:15:50.000 She was lying.

00:15:51.000 And if you paid attention to the facts of that case, as opposed to just going with the woke line of the woman must be telling the truth, the three privileged white guys at Duke must be lying.

00:16:00.000 She was a person of Yeah.

00:16:01.000 color, they were white, she was a person of lower socioeconomic status, they were privileged,

00:16:06.000 they were at Duke, she was a stripper, it was like I had all the ingredients that made 0.85

00:16:09.000 the media root for her, not for them.

00:16:11.000 And if you just went in with an open mind and didn't root for anybody but facts, you

00:16:16.000 wound up in the right place.

00:16:17.000 And my general feeling is that in most stories, that's the case.

00:16:21.000 Well, I think it's the case for people like you, but you are an anomaly in the sense that the rest of the media basically crucified these people in the court of public opinion.

00:16:29.000 It took a while for that to come out, like Mattress Girl, UVA, right?

00:16:32.000 A lot of these high-profile cases.

00:16:34.000 That guy at Columbia with Mattress Girl, for people who don't remember, he doesn't get graduation back.

00:16:39.000 And I know that you've covered it fairly.

00:16:41.000 I just wonder why that is an exception.

00:16:43.000 That case infuriates me.

00:16:44.000 To this day, people think that she's some sort of feminist hero. 1.00

00:16:47.000 Do you know the facts?

00:16:49.000 I'll tell you, on the Kelly file, I put on a couple of cases in terms of what's happening on college campuses right now to young men.

00:16:58.000 And thank God it's being rectified by Betsy DeVos. 1.00

00:17:04.000 I think what he did under President Obama was wrong.

00:17:07.000 It was a letter to colleges saying, these are the standards you must impose.

00:17:12.000 You don't have to impose them, but you're going to lose all federal funding.

00:17:14.000 But look, it's up to you, right?

00:17:15.000 Of course they did it.

00:17:16.000 And guys who get accused on college campuses, they can't cross-examine up until now,

00:17:20.000 can't cross-examine, have no right to discovery, can't even be in the room with their lawyer,

00:17:24.000 and if they lose, they're expelled and labeled a sex offender.

00:17:28.000 And I'll just give you one example.

00:17:29.000 I had one guy, his lawyer came on my show, because he was remaining anonymous.

00:17:34.000 He was accused by a woman who said it was rape.

00:17:38.000 He said it was consensual.

00:17:39.000 He got expelled.

00:17:40.000 They said, you did it, because they always say you did it.

00:17:42.000 The standard is so low for conviction for guys.

00:17:45.000 So they kicked him out of college.

00:17:47.000 He's kicked out.

00:17:48.000 And then the roommate of his alleged victim came forward and said, I feel really bad.

00:17:54.000 I have these text messages from her that really helped him.

00:17:57.000 And his lawyer was like, let's see.

00:17:59.000 And the text messages were like from the alleged victim.

00:18:03.000 I'm no angel.

00:18:04.000 I'm not innocent.

00:18:05.000 I had him come over.

00:18:06.000 Oh, we did it.

00:18:08.000 And then moments after her alleged rape, what did she do?

00:18:10.000 She invited another guy over and slept with him. 1.00

00:18:13.000 None of which he knew.

00:18:15.000 He couldn't raise any of it in this tribunal. 0.99

00:18:17.000 So they went back to the school and said, this is such bullshit, right? 0.99

00:18:20.000 You got to get rid of this label of sex offender. 1.00

00:18:20.000 You got to let him back in. 1.00

00:18:23.000 And they wouldn't do it.

00:18:25.000 So my point is simply, it's so unfair to just choose a side and say women always tell the truth and guys are the liars and the perpetrators.

00:18:25.000 Right.

00:18:33.000 It isn't always true.

00:18:34.000 It isn't.

00:18:35.000 And so you have to go to these situations with an open mind.

00:18:37.000 Well, and I do appreciate you keeping the source anonymous when describing my wife and I, our elaborate role-playing.

00:18:44.000 Let me, it's very bizarre.

00:18:45.000 For some reason, legal turmoil gets her. 0.98

00:18:49.000 Let me ask you, so I think that answers the question.

00:18:51.000 Why Tara Reade went to you? 0.94

00:18:52.000 Because if Tara Reade went to, you know, let's say Gloria Allred, people would go, okay, all right, well, we get it, and immediately would be questioned, and then, of course, people who would question it would be accused of being sexist.

00:19:01.000 In your case, I think she said, okay, I need to go someone who has been calling balls and strikes.

00:19:06.000 I wanted to ask you this because you mentioned Christine Blasey Ford.

00:19:10.000 We caught a lot of fleck because nothing really matched up.

00:19:13.000 You say this is different.

00:19:14.000 The difference is night and day.

00:19:15.000 What do you see as the primary differences?

00:19:17.000 Because some people will say, well, you're just politicking at this point between Ford and Reed, if there are them.

00:19:24.000 What I say is night and day is the way the media is approaching the stories.

00:19:30.000 They put Christine Blasey Ford on the cover of Time Magazine as a heroine.

00:19:35.000 Tara Reade couldn't get anybody to even put her on television after months of trying to come out with this story. 0.99

00:19:43.000 When I was at NBC, my limited stint at NBC, Not only did they put Julie Swetnick, that liar, in my opinion, in the Brett Kavanaugh case on TV.

00:19:52.000 Everyone else is too, but yes. 0.97

00:19:54.000 With their bogus gang rape. 0.99

00:19:56.000 I saw them gang raping people, allegations. 0.95

00:19:58.000 But they put on a report.

00:20:00.000 They put on a report on NBC.

00:20:03.000 It had two links up here.

00:20:06.000 It was like at least two or three links up here saying one anonymous person said to another anonymous person who spoke to NBC that Brett Kavanaugh, like 20 years ago, might have pushed a woman up against a wall.

00:20:17.000 Somehow, somebody figured out who the person was who started this chain link and tracked down the alleged girlfriend you threw against the wall, who's now a federal judge. 0.98

00:20:25.000 She was like, this is total bullsh**.

00:20:26.000 It never happened. 0.97

00:20:27.000 What is this?

00:20:28.000 But NBC ran with the story, right?

00:20:28.000 Right.

00:20:30.000 They ran with that story.

00:20:31.000 With Anonymous to Anonymous.

00:20:33.000 Tareed Bubkis.

00:20:35.000 Has she been on NBC?

00:20:36.000 No, she has not.

00:20:37.000 So it's like, To me, just the media double standard and the double standard of the women who were like these feminist crusaders when it was Brett Kavanaugh on the hot seat.

00:20:48.000 And now we're like, there's plenty of reasons to disbelieve Tara Reade. 0.99

00:20:52.000 And that's fine.

00:20:53.000 But there were plenty of reasons to disbelieve Blasey Ford.

00:20:55.000 You just chose not to because it was a different guy who was being accused.

00:20:59.000 Well, I think the primary difference, and then I would like to get your take, because you sat down with her, the primary difference is, not that there are reasons to disbelieve Tara Reade and Christine Blasey Ford, there are no reasons, as far as verifiable evidence, to believe Christine Blasey Ford's story.

00:21:11.000 Every time she came out and said this happened, someone came out and said, well, no, we actually can't corroborate that, and quite a bit could be proven the opposite.

00:21:18.000 And also, right now, when you have Christine, sorry, not Christine Blasey Ford, when you have Reade saying, well, I think you should search through these files, and they're being sealed, and Joe Biden says, I won't release them, whereas Cavanaugh came in with his journal that could be corroborated with.

00:21:32.000 It was generally accurate.

00:21:33.000 Now, of course, that's not 100%, but what grown-ass man keeps a journal?

00:21:37.000 Like, oh, I went to Steak and Shake today.

00:21:38.000 The windows were dirty.

00:21:39.000 Like, oh my god, but then there's a receipt from Steak and Shake.

00:21:42.000 And I'm exaggerating to make a point, but we get to the point where they're asking Brett Cavanaugh if he drinks beer on Tuesdays.

00:21:48.000 And we're not covering Reed at all.

00:21:51.000 And, by the way, there's no footage of Cavanaugh sniffing children repeatedly.

00:21:57.000 Well, I mean, the thing is, with Blasey Ford, people found it so persuasive that she told the therapist about it all these years later.

00:22:04.000 It's like, well, you know what, Christy?

00:22:06.000 Tara Reade has a very credible, professional woman who was at Ted Kennedy's office when they met, who she told about contemporaneously with the alleged event.

00:22:15.000 And that woman says, Tara's been telling the same story for 27 years.

00:22:19.000 She's got another woman who she told the story to two years later, who's a Democrat, who's going to vote for Joe Biden, who says Tara's been telling the same story for 27 years.

00:22:27.000 Now, does that mean the story is true?

00:22:29.000 It doesn't.

00:22:30.000 Maybe Tara lied to these people. 1.00

00:22:32.000 Some women make stuff up. 1.00

00:22:33.000 I mean, you know, not everybody's perfectly together.

00:22:36.000 So I'm not opining on that.

00:22:38.000 But in terms of supporting evidence, she's definitely got more witnesses than Blasey Ford ever did.

00:22:44.000 And it also matters when you're talking about motive, because she was talking about it back then, where she had really nothing to gain other than speaking the truth with friends, and not saying that's why Christine Blasey came forward, but, you know... Let me speak that one out, okay?

00:22:44.000 Right.

00:22:56.000 So there's a couple possibilities.

00:22:57.000 I mean, there is a possibility with respect to Tara, and she knows I'm not trying to diagnose her on television or on podcasting, but...

00:23:05.000 There's a possibility that Tara, there's something wrong with Tara, right?

00:23:09.000 And she needed attention or she just, she made up this story.

00:23:12.000 She was ticked off at Biden.

00:23:13.000 Who knows?

00:23:13.000 Like women do sometimes make things up for whatever reason.

00:23:16.000 That is possible.

00:23:18.000 The other possibility is like, she wanted to get him, right?

00:23:21.000 Like she was getting pushed out of the office.

00:23:23.000 She's pissed off.

00:23:24.000 I'm going to get Joe Biden.

00:23:25.000 Okay.

00:23:25.000 So let's, let's see that one through.

00:23:28.000 So she makes up the story, she plants the seed with a corroborating witness back in 1993.

00:23:33.000 Okay, she's got the witness on board, she's got the story straight.

00:23:36.000 Why didn't she ever drop the hammer?

00:23:40.000 All this time, Joe Biden, he ran for president about 200 times.

00:23:44.000 He got on the ticket with Barack Obama as the vice president.

00:23:48.000 Never.

00:23:49.000 Nothing.

00:23:49.000 And then even in this race, when he first started running and the Democratic field was vast, nothing.

00:23:54.000 Nothing.

00:23:54.000 So like, if she's been lying in wait for the guy for three decades, she stinks at her killing operations, right?

00:24:02.000 She waited a long time and wait.

00:24:05.000 Late and wait a long time.

00:24:07.000 I don't know if that would make sense.

00:24:09.000 I think the thing that would make sense more is if she's lying, there's something wrong.

00:24:15.000 Right, or there's a possibility... Something's wrong with her.

00:24:17.000 At least she told the friends not a long time ago.

00:24:19.000 Yes, and there is also the possibility that something happened that isn't as severe as she's saying now.

00:24:25.000 In other words, she could have been listing a complaint because he just, you know, sniffed her, rubbed her shoulders, or said, uh, nice breasts like he said with other women, which, you know, are on the record.

00:24:33.000 Or, can I get a minute alone with her for a minute? 1.00

00:24:34.000 Which, listen, I don't know, that's not rape, I need to be clear, but I do have women who work in this office, and if I were to say, can I have a minute alone with you for a minute, and sniff, for example, too cute Maddie, you would all kick my ass promptly. 1.00

00:24:48.000 It would be like a pig pen, just a pile of dust. 0.99

00:24:51.000 So, to me, that's bad enough, and maybe that's what happened with Terry. 0.61

00:24:56.000 Can you say- Well, and to your point earlier, though, the sexual harassment stuff, when she said, find the complaint, And there was recently a news report about the fact that her now ex-husband, he had said in a filing in 1996, my wife was sexually harassed in the office of Joe Biden.

00:25:10.000 But there is a distinction between harassment and assault.

00:25:12.000 I think she's got plenty of documentation that she accused him of harassment at the time.

00:25:19.000 But that's different from the assault she's now claiming.

00:25:23.000 But her two corroborating witnesses, the two best ones she has, they say she told them about the alleged assault, the penetration, the whole thing, right from the time it happened with the one woman's case and two years later in the other woman's case.

00:25:37.000 Where do you, since you're closer to this obviously, where do you think this goes?

00:25:40.000 What do you think the next step is?

00:25:41.000 Do you think he's going to have to unseal?

00:25:43.000 Nowhere.

00:25:44.000 No?

00:25:47.000 No, because who drives the story?

00:25:48.000 The media.

00:25:49.000 They have zero interest in this.

00:25:51.000 I think they're checking a box.

00:25:53.000 I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say they've got genuine doubts about Tara Reade and they don't want to go too far out on the limb in case she turns out not to be a truth teller.

00:26:02.000 But whatever the motivation is, it dies without media interest.

00:26:06.000 And the only other way it would stay alive, I think, is if other women with similarly severe allegations came forward. 0.95

00:26:16.000 But why isn't that enough?

00:26:17.000 For example, when you look at Aziz Ansari, what effectively amounted to a bad date, right?

00:26:22.000 We're not talking about something that wasn't consensual.

00:26:24.000 And I think it's creepy.

00:26:25.000 Or even if you look at Louis C.K., creepy, it's an abuse of power, but he's not Bill Cosby.

00:26:29.000 I do think that it's important.

00:26:30.000 That's where I agree with Matt Damon.

00:26:31.000 We don't lump them into the same category.

00:26:33.000 That being said, when you compare Aziz Ansari to Sniffing underage people to making people uncomfortable and inappropriate touching and invading space after being told about it.

00:26:44.000 Isn't that enough with Joe Biden?

00:26:47.000 It would seem like the media would say it's a different standard is what is what I don't think the seven women who came forward with the sniffing and the touching of the neck, those reports a year ago, April of 19, that's not going to be enough.

00:27:02.000 He effectively handled that with a tweet that was like, you know, I'm sort of a politician, I'm handsy, I get it, that was yesteryear, I'm over it.

00:27:10.000 They're not!

00:27:13.000 He kind of got a pass on that.

00:27:17.000 Part of it is they look at the other guy, right?

00:27:19.000 Trump's been accused by over 12 women of far worse than just a little touching of the neck.

00:27:23.000 And so people are kind of like, I'm not going to make a federal case out of Joe Biden's rubbing somebody's hair.

00:27:29.000 Sexual assault, like Tara Reade's alleging, is a different story.

00:27:34.000 But on the other hand, you know, Trump's been accused of that, too.

00:27:37.000 So people are like, ah!

00:27:39.000 Yeah.

00:27:40.000 What an election!

00:27:42.000 They're stuck between a rock and a hard place, I think, a lot of people, people who aren't consistent here, you know, on this.

00:27:45.000 And I do think it comes down to burden of proof.

00:27:47.000 And certainly when it relates to Tara Reade, I think it's more comparable to, let's say, Christine Blasey Ford.

00:27:53.000 As a non-lawyer, it seems like there's a lot more to go on and there's different treatment of that.

00:27:57.000 I don't know if you've been following recently, you know, we ran into this.

00:27:59.000 I'm not a journalist and unfortunately, unfortunately as a commentary in the state of modern journalism, I've broken some stories that you would think these folks wanted.

00:28:08.000 Remember the lady who drank the fish tank cleaner, chloroquine, that little thing?

00:28:12.000 So we actually had some exclusive info.

00:28:15.000 Yes, the husband.

00:28:17.000 I want to get your opinion on that, but we actually had the exclusive documents that we released on this show.

00:28:22.000 What we didn't have that wasn't exclusive, but was available to the public, but hadn't been reported, was that she was a longtime Democratic donor.

00:28:31.000 We had an exclusive social media post of her saying, I can't believe you would believe Trump. 1.00

00:28:35.000 What an idiot. 1.00

00:28:35.000 She hated Donald Trump. 1.00

00:28:37.000 And then, what we had the exclusive to was, there was a John Deere court case, I think, where she sued John Deere, and using some information in that file, we found one where she was charged with domestic abuse against her husband, and we had exclusive documents that we revealed.

00:28:49.000 I feel like he found it.

00:28:50.000 That was big.

00:28:51.000 Yeah, I have a brilliant researcher.

00:28:53.000 We call him Reg, and it's crazy that we were able to find this.

00:28:57.000 We released it, and no one covered it on the left, and then I called the reporter who broke it at NBC, and I said, listen, You reported a story where she drank fish tank cleaner with her husband.

00:29:07.000 Her husband died, and you guys must have known that she was a Democratic donor.

00:29:11.000 You said she drank it because of Donald Trump.

00:29:12.000 She said, well, I don't know that.

00:29:13.000 I said, well, did you look at her political donation records?

00:29:16.000 That's the first thing.

00:29:16.000 Did you look at her criminal record?

00:29:17.000 Because she also hated her husband.

00:29:19.000 So I'm saying...

00:29:20.000 She hated Donald Trump and she hated her husband.

00:29:23.000 He died, she didn't.

00:29:24.000 Do you think that changes?

00:29:25.000 She goes, well, I think you have a message that you want to push and you should go with that.

00:29:27.000 I said, no, doesn't that change the story?

00:29:29.000 If she said she drank it because Trump told her to and she clearly hates Trump.

00:29:32.000 And now we know the husband was a civil engineer.

00:29:35.000 Ah, just drink some koi pond cleaner.

00:29:38.000 No one caught it?

00:29:39.000 How does that happen?

00:29:41.000 And you're in an exclusive position as someone who's been a journalist and now is doing it on your own.

00:29:46.000 How does that happen?

00:29:47.000 How does no one check that?

00:29:49.000 No, you know exactly how, right?

00:29:51.000 There's a bias against the information.

00:29:53.000 You think she wouldn't have reported it if it had been the opposite way around?

00:29:57.000 If the woman had been pro-Trump and Biden had said the controversial thing that she'd done?

00:30:02.000 You know, it's like, we talked about this a couple months ago when NBC, all the stuff came out with Ronan Farrow, right?

00:30:11.000 About them, like why they spiked the Weinstein story.

00:30:13.000 And their defense was it just didn't meet the journalistic standards we have.

00:30:17.000 It was just, just couldn't get it over the line.

00:30:19.000 Even though they had Rose McGowan on the record saying Harvey raped her.

00:30:23.000 NBC had her on the record saying that doesn't meet our journalistic standards.

00:30:27.000 Like what?

00:30:28.000 But anonymous to anonymous with the principal girlfriend saying it didn't happen.

00:30:32.000 That was enough to put the allegations on about against Brett Kavanaugh.

00:30:35.000 Right.

00:30:36.000 Why?

00:30:36.000 Because of bias.

00:30:37.000 That's why.

00:30:38.000 Yeah.

00:30:39.000 But how can people trust?

00:30:40.000 So I think a lot of people blame President Trump for the distrust in the media, but this has been going on for so long now.

00:30:47.000 Do you think it's accelerated recently or do you think it's been the case for a long time?

00:30:51.000 I think, honestly, like the old school objective trustworthy journalism is dead.

00:30:56.000 That's what I think.

00:30:57.000 And it wasn't a murder by President Trump.

00:31:00.000 It was more like an assisted suicide.

00:31:02.000 He was like the Kevorkian, but they're the ones who killed themselves. 1.00

00:31:06.000 Because they've abandoned all objectivity.

00:31:09.000 I mean, it's gone.

00:31:10.000 And Trump exposed it.

00:31:12.000 He exposed it better than anybody.

00:31:14.000 He helps, and his rhetoric about enemy of the people, whatever, that's too much.

00:31:18.000 But the ones who weren't what he said they were, like CNN, became.

00:31:24.000 What he said.

00:31:25.000 CNN used to be objective.

00:31:26.000 I used to watch CNN every night when I got ready for the Kelly file because it was like, okay, objective news.

00:31:31.000 I can get the straight skinny and I'll go on and I'll do my thing.

00:31:34.000 No more.

00:31:35.000 And they're worse than MSNBC because they're parading out there masquerading as objective news people.

00:31:41.000 At least MSNBC owns it and says, this is who we are.

00:31:44.000 That's our tagline, right?

00:31:45.000 CNN, like the Apple and the, I don't even know what the hell they're saying anymore, but they're not objective.

00:31:51.000 And now it's just a picture of Chris Cuomo's biceps with synthol injected into them.

00:31:55.000 Yeah, that's a good analogy.

00:31:56.000 He's like the Kevorkian. 0.92

00:31:57.000 He just strapped a casa to a chair and said, I'm gonna leave this file here.

00:32:02.000 Don't do anything I wouldn't do.

00:32:04.000 Bye.

00:32:05.000 And you know, you walk back in and you can draw your own conclusions.

00:32:09.000 Yeah, we've we've had this.

00:32:10.000 I was I had a rude awakening.

00:32:14.000 No, go ahead, go ahead.

00:32:16.000 Your words are more important than mine.

00:32:17.000 I was just going to say, like, why?

00:32:18.000 Like, why does CNN have to do it, right?

00:32:20.000 Like, I have a lot of friends over there who I really like and respect, but I feel like the decision came from the top that they were going to get Trump, that they were going to be part of the resistance media, and maybe that their objective approach wasn't working financially.

00:32:34.000 But to me, like, that's been a real loss in journalism, because I, for me, actually...

00:32:42.000 I no longer have a place I can go where I believe I'm just going to get facts and not spin.

00:32:47.000 So I just read the news now.

00:32:49.000 I don't really do a lot on television.

00:32:50.000 Well, I think what you have to do is assume there's spin.

00:32:53.000 And so for me, I just read spin.

00:32:55.000 So I set up my own favorites, my bookmarks.

00:32:58.000 And if I read Fox News, I read MSNBC right afterward.

00:33:02.000 If I read anything at Daily Caller, I read Slate right afterward.

00:33:05.000 I want to make sure that I know exactly what both sides are saying.

00:33:09.000 CNN is almost superfluous at that point.

00:33:11.000 There's no value, because they don't tell you the lies by omission.

00:33:14.000 And in my experience, I'm glad that you have friends that you know and respect.

00:33:17.000 I have nobody I know and respect over there.

00:33:19.000 But I can say that about myself.

00:33:21.000 But here's the thing that upsets me more.

00:33:24.000 Yeah, okay, it doesn't work.

00:33:26.000 And like I said, they're a dying medium.

00:33:27.000 Okay, that would be enough.

00:33:29.000 But now when you look at, I mean, we've had lawsuits with NBC, ABC, Viacom, MTV, Comcast, so many just for these

00:33:37.000 false copyright claims.

00:33:39.000 We had it for streaming the Oscars when we didn't even show the Oscars.

00:33:41.000 It was in a little window.

00:33:42.000 You know, and you don't get those live viewers back.

00:33:45.000 Now, and of course Vox obviously is part of a conglomerate, now they're actually trying

00:33:50.000 to silence people who are trying to deliver facts online in independent outlets.

00:33:55.000 And my question, what is that like for you?

00:33:57.000 Because you're one of the few people who's been doing this in both a big media company and now by yourself.

00:34:03.000 How would you say your experience is different?

00:34:05.000 What concerns you most?

00:34:08.000 Well, I mean, the one thing I don't want to do in whatever I do next, and I haven't figured that out yet, I'm kind of enjoying myself at the moment, but I'll get back out there in some capacity, is I don't want to work for some corporate overlord.

00:34:19.000 You know, I don't want to be told how to cover the news or feel like I must cover it in a certain way.

00:34:23.000 And I can see sort of as more people pop up with power, you know, online, digitally, whatever.

00:34:32.000 They're threatened, right?

00:34:35.000 If you get a big exclusive, if Joe Rogan does, if Ben Shapiro does, they don't pick that up and run that on television.

00:34:40.000 Even though you have a video feed, they could very easily steal a clip and run it.

00:34:44.000 So why don't they?

00:34:45.000 Because they don't want to promote you, right?

00:34:46.000 Because you're a big threat to what they have and they can sort of see the future.

00:34:53.000 But I will say, to me, it feels like two different worlds.

00:34:55.000 I feel like there's a different audience watching cable than there is Getting their news online and I don't like the news online.

00:35:01.000 The digital audience seems younger than the cable news audience.

00:35:04.000 Yeah, I don't know how much.

00:35:06.000 Yes, right?

00:35:08.000 Because one could easily feed the other, but I don't think they understand this medium, and I think it's only recently that they're even taking it seriously.

00:35:15.000 That is a problem, obviously, because now they're a little bit late to the party.

00:35:19.000 And unfortunately, they have far more dollars, and so they're trying to change the landscape.

00:35:22.000 I think something that's changed, and if I'm not mistaken, maybe Anthony Cumia talked about this, I don't know that it's original, is we always had to deal with the FCC, right?

00:35:31.000 It was a bit of a game, cat and mouse, like, oh, you can say, oh, that guy's a – I don't 0.90

00:35:35.000 know if you could say that guy's a shithead, but you can't use it scatologically. 0.98

00:35:38.000 We knew the rules and you try and dance up to the line. 0.99

00:35:42.000 But we knew who we were engaging with.

00:35:44.000 Now we thought there would be no gatekeepers online.

00:35:47.000 There would be no censors.

00:35:48.000 Unfortunately, there has become a louder and even more strict voice and that's the voice

00:35:52.000 of the mob.

00:35:53.000 The censorship doesn't come from the FCC.

00:35:54.000 It comes from the people who want to ruin someone's livelihood and then they exert

00:35:58.000 pressure for example, let's say with YouTube, to change their policy based on what is determined

00:36:03.000 to be offensive.

00:36:05.000 Is that a change that you foresaw coming?

00:36:08.000 I know I didn't.

00:36:08.000 I thought this was going to be the Wild West for a lot longer.

00:36:12.000 I guess not.

00:36:14.000 I always thought that sort of the loud sort of thumb warriors, President Obama, I thought was right on.

00:36:19.000 That was something smart he said about it.

00:36:21.000 He's like, that's not activism.

00:36:22.000 You would give thumbs to call for somebody to be canceled.

00:36:25.000 I thought that they would be sort of put in the right category for what they are.

00:36:28.000 You know what I mean?

00:36:29.000 Just like small people who really don't have enough to worry about and really just want to tear down others who don't have the same opinions as they do.

00:36:35.000 On controversial issues.

00:36:37.000 You're in the business of discussing controversial issues.

00:36:40.000 That's the business I have been in as well.

00:36:43.000 It's not like being David Schwimmer and Jennifer Aniston.

00:36:46.000 We're controversial.

00:36:49.000 We take on tough topics.

00:36:51.000 It's going to result in some people feeling ruffled.

00:36:54.000 If we have advertisers caught and run every time that happens, they're not going to have anything left to advertise on.

00:36:59.000 You know, so I do think prescription, you know, options are going to become bigger and bigger.

00:37:03.000 I like what Dave Rubin is doing where it's like, you'd sort of go and just do your own thing.

00:37:07.000 You don't have to worry about the advertisers.

00:37:09.000 Yeah.

00:37:09.000 But it's tough for the consumers because they don't have to pay for every single personality that they like.

00:37:13.000 That's true.

00:37:14.000 And that is what we do.

00:37:14.000 You know, we have a licensing agreement with Blaze and Mug Club, and so people get Reuben and they get our show.

00:37:18.000 And what we do is we always make sure that we're providing more free content than ever, as opposed to pulling it away.

00:37:23.000 And I see it a lot with, well, we've talked about CNN, but a lot of networks where they put up a teaser and it doesn't work, right?

00:37:29.000 People don't want to engage with their content.

00:37:31.000 A, people don't want to engage with corporations.

00:37:32.000 They want to engage with people.

00:37:33.000 That's something they want to have a personal connection to the people that they watch.

00:37:37.000 And they don't want to have one pulled over on them.

00:37:40.000 They don't want to go, well, hold on a second.

00:37:41.000 It's a 20-second teaser.

00:37:42.000 I got to go to CNN.

00:37:43.000 But if you respect the medium and you say, you know what?

00:37:45.000 I'm going to provide something here that is YouTube appropriate, that has a beginning, middle, and end in context.

00:37:50.000 And if you want to support what we're doing, we have a subscription service.

00:37:54.000 I think that's changed a little bit.

00:37:56.000 Because early on, the only thing that worked with subscription services, and they thought that would work continually, was pornography.

00:38:03.000 And then no subscription services worked.

00:38:05.000 But now you have a generation of people who kind of are used to paying on the Patreon generation.

00:38:11.000 We didn't really have that.

00:38:13.000 So it's amazing how quickly it's changing.

00:38:15.000 And don't think it's lost on me that you were kind enough to put us in the same category.

00:38:20.000 I don't believe that you ever dressed up as a woman and interviewed Wendy Davis ending her career.

00:38:23.000 That's what I do.

00:38:27.000 So if I want to get onto YouTube and really be a success, I need to show a boob?

00:38:32.000 It's preferable.

00:38:34.000 But it's most important is that you make sure it's directly in the center of the video so that it is picked as the thumbnail.

00:38:39.000 Otherwise, you know, if a boob is revealed in a forest... I'm gonna have to get a zoom lens!

00:38:48.000 I don't know if I... It's funny, I actually, I used that quote that you made one time, Killer Bees, with my wife.

00:38:54.000 Oh yeah, that's right.

00:38:55.000 Except for when I was pregnant, and then they turned into swimming seas.

00:39:01.000 That's sexist.

00:39:02.000 We don't tolerate that on this program.

00:39:11.000 Let me ask you this.

00:39:14.000 Listen, I know how these things work, and we've all worked with companies.

00:39:16.000 We have NDAs, and you're doing your own thing.

00:39:18.000 So just tell me. 0.97

00:39:18.000 Piss off. 0.97

00:39:19.000 You can't. 1.00

00:39:19.000 By the way, oh, piss off, YouTube. 1.00

00:39:20.000 We're going to go exclusive to Mug Club. 0.96

00:39:22.000 You got a free half hour.

Louder with Crowder - May 20, 2020

Megyn Kelly Weighs in on #BelieveWomen | #17 Good Morning #MugClub

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