Louder with Crowder - June 15, 2015


Michelle Malkin Blasts Old-School Media | Louder With Crowder


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Former Fox News anchor and founder of American Tinkerpreneurs, Michelle Malkin, joins me on the show to talk about her new book, Who Built That? and why she s never going back to work in traditional media.

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00:00:00.000 Hopefully, no ads just ran for self-lubricating pocket catheters.
00:00:03.000 It's a great product.
00:00:04.000 I highly recommend you go out and get them.
00:00:06.000 Michelle, you were talking about- You sell out.
00:00:08.000 I know, I know.
00:00:09.000 But no, I won't sell any product that I don't use.
00:00:16.000 So glad to have this next guest on.
00:00:18.000 Was actually the first guest ever on the show, and now author of the new book that's just making the rounds, Who Built That?
00:00:25.000 The awe-inspiring stories, now I screwed up, she's never going to come back, of American tinkerpreneurs, Michelle Malkin.
00:00:32.000 Thanks so much for being on.
00:00:33.000 Hey, thanks for having me back, Stephen.
00:00:35.000 All right, good.
00:00:36.000 Now that I got that intro out of the way, let's stop acting like it's formal, because that just...
00:00:39.000 All right.
00:00:41.000 I took my shoes off.
00:00:43.000 Okay, well, there you go.
00:00:44.000 Well, just don't step around Dick Morris.
00:00:46.000 So, let's...
00:00:47.000 We soiled this entire segment right off the bat, and it's my fault.
00:00:52.000 Ew, ew.
00:00:53.000 You're a nice lady, and I ruined it. 1.00
00:00:56.000 Reset button, please.
00:00:57.000 Reset button.
00:00:59.000 Anyway, I was going to – well, let's just go straight to the book then.
00:01:04.000 You're making the rounds now.
00:01:05.000 Well, firstly, before we get to that, Michelle, you know, we've talked about this a lot.
00:01:08.000 You kind of took a – I guess would you say a sabbatical from most media for a while?
00:01:15.000 I needed it.
00:01:15.000 I did.
00:01:16.000 You were in it.
00:01:18.000 You know what it's like to be able to maintain that every single day and not feel like you're just about to have a heart attack or need a permanent hot shower.
00:01:32.000 The reason why we can do things like that is in large part because of the alternatives we have as social media entrepreneurs.
00:01:42.000 You're doing it now.
00:01:44.000 And it afforded me and it afforded my family a kind of freedom that I would have never envisioned when I embarked on my media career almost a quarter century ago when you had to be a company man or a company woman.
00:01:59.000 Now, let me ask you this.
00:01:59.000 Right.
00:02:00.000 I know you've been kind of, I guess, dipping your toes back in the water.
00:02:05.000 Are you mainly going to be doing media to promote pieces of content like your book, or do you think we're going to be seeing the Michelle Malkin show on traditional media anytime soon?
00:02:15.000 I was very grateful for the friends that I do have at Fox News who welcomed me back with great grace to talk about the book.
00:02:28.000 I think it's really important to reach those platforms, especially with the message of this book.
00:02:34.000 But no, I mean, I like my freedom.
00:02:36.000 I like being out in Colorado.
00:02:39.000 There are other things that are, you know, way more important to me and always have been, the reason why we bailed on the East Coast and the whole D.C., New York scene in the first place.
00:02:49.000 And, you know, because we can be on Twitter and on the blog and on Facebook and Facebook, I don't have to be on the daily TV treadmill.
00:03:03.000 But for a book launch and a book campaign, I make no bone spatter.
00:03:09.000 I'm trying to reach as many people as possible.
00:03:11.000 Sure, absolutely.
00:03:12.000 I hear you.
00:03:16.000 It's funny you say that.
00:03:17.000 Isn't it a wonderful feeling, Michelle, that nobody can fire you?
00:03:21.000 Yes.
00:03:23.000 I really think it's the most liberating feeling of all.
00:03:27.000 And I think, you know, back when I wore the corporate media hat, and it really was the only choice around, I worked for two major newspapers, you know, syndication and early bloghood gave me a taste of that freedom.
00:03:43.000 And obviously, I'll never regret a moment of all of the work that I put in, you Ten years, when you saw my face pretty regularly on TV, I just think when you're trying to balance different needs and wants, it's so much easier to do that when you have the world of the Internet in bits and bytes to fill a vacuum.
00:04:13.000 No, I think you're so right.
00:04:14.000 And I know this is probably way more personal than any of the other interviews.
00:04:17.000 But listen, we've talked about this before.
00:04:19.000 I think last time you were on, when I also worked in traditional media, I've always said this.
00:04:23.000 I've never said anything that I didn't believe.
00:04:25.000 But there is absolutely some truth to the fact that I didn't.
00:04:28.000 I didn't really get to focus on the things that I truly believed in, the things I was passionate about.
00:04:34.000 And that's just because, listen, there are certain things that are an easy sell in traditional media and certain things that aren't.
00:04:39.000 And I don't begrudge anyone at all for that.
00:04:41.000 Do you feel like now being completely independent off in your own immensely successful island?
00:04:47.000 We make it sound quaint.
00:04:48.000 You've done very, very well.
00:04:50.000 You've been a real trailblazer.
00:04:51.000 Do you feel like this book now is a more accurate reflection of the things that inspire you than you've maybe done in the past?
00:05:00.000 Well, I think it just provides a deeper, broader understanding or picture of what motivates me.
00:05:07.000 And, you know, of course, every day you make choices about What you're going to drive?
00:05:15.000 What message you're going to drive home?
00:05:17.000 And there's this question of who picks the frame?
00:05:22.000 So, you know, when you're going to do a segment on TV, of course, it's natural.
00:05:28.000 You don't pick the frame.
00:05:29.000 And so the picture that's presented is not necessarily one that represents completely who you are.
00:05:36.000 And this is why I started off the book joking about how a lot of people perceive me as being that angry brown lady on TV. For most of the people who have met me on the speaking trail or who have had any chance to interact with me personally, they know that's just one small aspect of my personality.
00:05:55.000 Just like you said, Stephen, because I always say it too, I'm very proud that I've never said anything on TV or radio or anywhere else that I don't absolutely believe.
00:06:05.000 Because I feel as if, and I know you do too, Stephen, that if...
00:06:10.000 What's the point?
00:06:12.000 What's the point of having a platform or a microphone if you turn on I'll tell you the point.
00:06:25.000 The point is to sell a boatload of self-lubricating pocket catheters.
00:06:29.000 That's the point.
00:06:30.000 That's why some of them, they get tempted by the mountain of cash.
00:06:36.000 I understand that.
00:06:39.000 I feel like I could not have sustained 25 years of going out there and Putting yourself on the line, and you know what it takes, Stephen, because it's putting yourself at risk, putting your family at risk in dire ways that you would have never thought possible when you embarked on.
00:07:03.000 Well, hey, I hate to cut you off.
00:07:05.000 We have to go to a break, and I want to bring you back, and we'll get more into what you're saying and the book.
00:07:09.000 Michelle Malkin, who built that, Lotta with Craddock.
00:07:11.000 We'll be right back.
00:07:11.000 And we are back.
00:07:13.000 Hopefully, no ads just ran for self-lubricating pocket catheters.
00:07:16.000 It's a great product.
00:07:17.000 I highly recommend you go out and get them.
00:07:18.000 Michelle, you were talking about.
00:07:20.000 You sell out.
00:07:21.000 I know.
00:07:22.000 I know.
00:07:22.000 But no, I won't sell any product that I don't use.
00:07:27.000 And I tell you what, Michelle, if you have not – you haven't lived until you've used one of these self-replicating pocket cathars.
00:07:36.000 I'm sorry.
00:07:37.000 Again, we started – this is a nice movie.
00:07:40.000 I know.
00:07:40.000 We've turned this into this whole philosophical thing.
00:07:42.000 It's pretty cool.
00:07:43.000 It's – You always do this.
00:07:45.000 I love this.
00:07:45.000 That's why I love talking to you because, you know, everyone else is, so why did you write a book?
00:07:50.000 What is it?
00:07:51.000 Well, I have a list of questions from your publicist.
00:07:54.000 And I was like, I mean, she seems very nice.
00:07:56.000 I'm going, what the hell?
00:07:57.000 I don't want this list of questions.
00:07:59.000 Well, you know, a lot of times people just want to be fed.
00:08:02.000 I mean, you know, that's the thing.
00:08:04.000 And so that's the thing.
00:08:05.000 There's a lot of people out there who, I mean, and this is, I just don't, I just feel like there's no time to waste.
00:08:10.000 And I never want to feel like I'm phoning it in.
00:08:13.000 Right.
00:08:14.000 You know?
00:08:14.000 And you see people all the time and you think, man, what a waste.
00:08:18.000 What's wrong with you?
00:08:19.000 I know.
00:08:20.000 How can you be clearly compassionate about what you do?
00:08:23.000 Look at what you're able to do!
00:08:25.000 Well, you were pretty passionate on Twitter the other day.
00:08:27.000 Dare I say, a little bit of profanity made some appearances.
00:08:31.000 Oh, geez.
00:08:31.000 Which one was that?
00:08:34.000 Well, same for the nice little brown lady. 1.00
00:08:36.000 By the way...
00:08:37.000 Oh, I know what it was.
00:08:39.000 Yeah.
00:08:39.000 It was a typical story of left-wing blogs lying And, you know, falsely accusing me of using some doctored photo on an article that was syndicated and then run by National Review.
00:08:54.000 And you know what I hate?
00:08:55.000 I don't care if you're on the left or on the right.
00:08:56.000 If you can't man up and take responsibility for your mistakes or errors, yeah, I'm going to call you out.
00:09:02.000 And that's a great thing about Twitter, and I think it's another great thing about being independent.
00:09:07.000 Because you're not on some...
00:09:10.000 It's not like high school.
00:09:13.000 Where you're on some team, and you're always on that team, whether they do right or wrong.
00:09:18.000 And I think that's the way I've been when it comes to criticizing the Republican Party, and that's the way I live my life.
00:09:24.000 Oh, by the way, I hate to stir up drama, but I'm totally going to.
00:09:28.000 Did I tell you that I didn't really realize it?
00:09:30.000 I went on Alex Jones' show to disagree with him, and I basically got him to apologize to you.
00:09:36.000 Really?
00:09:37.000 I swear to you, he said, you know, I think there were some things that went down.
00:09:41.000 He said, I really do support most of what she does, and I think we should all be joining together.
00:09:45.000 So I'm just saying, you know, I don't know what's going on there, but it was surprising to me.
00:09:52.000 And for those listening, I went on and disagreed right away with Alex Jones.
00:09:52.000 Hmm.
00:09:57.000 So don't send me your letters.
00:10:00.000 Yeah.
00:10:01.000 But yeah, it was a fascinating sort of discussion.
00:10:04.000 But you know what?
00:10:05.000 You're right.
00:10:06.000 It doesn't look like there are a lot of people that are phoning it in.
00:10:08.000 And I've talked about this with Andrew W.K. and I think Milo Yiannopoulos last week.
00:10:14.000 This is abnormal, I know, for people like you and I who've done media for so long, but this is kind of the way media is going for younger people.
00:10:22.000 They want things that feel a little organic, and my theory has been when our parents were growing up, it was, let's sit around at the dinner table and talk.
00:10:30.000 And then we'll sit and we'll watch, you know, The Tonight Show, or we'll watch Steve Allen, and it's, oh boy, gee, betcha!
00:10:36.000 Whereas now, people aren't talking with each other, they're so married to their device, they're looking to their entertainment, and that's sort of the podcast phenomenon, for that sort of human touch and interaction.
00:10:44.000 They want it to feel more conversational.
00:10:47.000 I don't know if you've picked up on that, because you sort of always have your finger to the pulse of how media evolves.
00:10:51.000 Have you noticed that with younger people?
00:10:53.000 Yeah, I certainly do.
00:10:56.000 I don't know if this is the best example of it, it's just something that's been on my mind lately, but My oldest, my daughter, had wanted a Twitter account.
00:11:04.000 She really, really, really wanted one.
00:11:06.000 And, you know, I had hesitated and I let her do it.
00:11:12.000 And then she felt like she was talking to an empty room because none of her friends were on Twitter.
00:11:18.000 So think about it.
00:11:20.000 She's a high school freshman.
00:11:21.000 She is fairly well-informed, very politically aware, without really much of a hand, a direct hand on my part.
00:11:31.000 But at this stage in her life, I think if she had to define herself as anything, she'd say she was libertarian-leaning.
00:11:40.000 And she's not on Twitter, but you know where all the kids are?
00:11:43.000 Instagram.
00:11:45.000 Instagram and Snapchat.
00:11:46.000 And I went to Instagram, and it was basically nothing but pornography, so I didn't go back.
00:11:53.000 Well, you know, I opened up an Instagram account, oh, I don't know, several months ago, mostly as a tool to do something that we've just been talking about, which is sort of to provide a fuller, richer, rounder picture of who we are.
00:12:07.000 I think that one of the troubles that the right faces is this problem that I've talked about, about framing who we are.
00:12:16.000 It serves useful purposes to be perceived all the time as an angry person who is fully immersed and obsessed with partisan politics, and that's not true.
00:12:29.000 And the more you are able to make yourself look like a human being, the more dangerous it is for the progressives.
00:12:35.000 Right.
00:12:36.000 No, you're absolutely right.
00:12:37.000 And the problem is, Michelle, that you and I both know this, that a lot of people who sort of control the more conservative mediums don't want that.
00:12:45.000 They want the talking points.
00:12:47.000 And that's where I've never said anything I don't believe, but I definitely know.
00:12:50.000 Listen, I used to do all the radio circuits and I don't do any media now unless it's a good, close friend.
00:12:56.000 That's my general rule.
00:12:57.000 Just because, A, I don't really need it.
00:12:59.000 And, B, I just – it got to a point where I was just going, well, I know what they want me to say and I'll throw in a few punchlines.
00:13:05.000 But like you said, it doesn't present the whole picture as to who you are.
00:13:08.000 And leftists are so good at creating stars and creating these personalities.
00:13:12.000 And I feel like the right really misses that.
00:13:15.000 Because like you said, if people really knew you more closely – I mean I know you as I know you.
00:13:20.000 I think there are a lot of people who have these sort of preconceived notions about you that would have their mind changed.
00:13:26.000 But you and I know the only way to get them to see that is through your own social media.
00:13:30.000 It's not going to happen through traditional media.
00:13:32.000 Exactly, exactly.
00:13:33.000 But I will say this, just to sort of temper or leaven everything that I've said.
00:13:39.000 You know, I've been around enough and, you know, interacted with so many just really...
00:13:47.000 Wonderful grassroots conservatives.
00:13:49.000 Yes.
00:13:50.000 And what they hate most about the GOP establishment is the fact that these people never fight back.
00:13:57.000 And you see them on TV and it's clear that their main agenda is to get invited back on the show, to chum it up in the green room.
00:14:05.000 And so whether it's, you know, appearances that I did on The View for the last book or with Matt Lauer, You know, or even just last week where, you know, I had been on hiatus from Fox for a long time.
00:14:19.000 I did the whole, you know, book promotion.
00:14:21.000 And then they had me on for a segment on one of these shows where they put me up against some dumb open borders liberal.
00:14:28.000 And yeah, my head is going to explode because I can't stand what I'm hearing.
00:14:32.000 And for the most part, these people get away with it.
00:14:35.000 So yeah, I think it's cathartic.
00:14:38.000 And I think there is a utility to...
00:14:42.000 You know, if you've got three minutes to, you know, completely expose some open borders traitor, yeah, you're going to do it.
00:14:51.000 But like I said, you know, the framing is really important because you don't want to, I don't want to just be seen as somebody who, you know, hates immigrants.
00:14:59.000 And that's why I went off on the guy in the first place.
00:15:01.000 This idea that we all just want to all throw every last foreign person into a cattle car. 1.00
00:15:01.000 Right. 1.00
00:15:07.000 I mean, it's It's ridiculous, and it does make me mad.
00:15:10.000 Yeah, very mad.
00:15:12.000 But the truth is, though, you'll be authentic about that, and that's what I appreciate.
00:15:15.000 Whereas, like you said, you hit the nail on the head there.
00:15:17.000 I think a lot of people miss it.
00:15:18.000 People have points of view or they have things they want to say, but their main goal is to make sure they can get back on.
00:15:24.000 And so you're going like, oh, you were right on that.
00:15:27.000 You were on the logic trail to a good point.
00:15:29.000 And then you curbed it.
00:15:30.000 What happened?
00:15:31.000 And it's very and I don't think you've really ever done that.
00:15:35.000 And so that's where, you know, it's the old Wayne Gretzky quote.
00:15:38.000 Don't go where the puck is.
00:15:39.000 Go where the puck's going to be.
00:15:40.000 Whenever everyone else is so busy playing the game, you stood out and that made you more in demand.
00:15:44.000 I think I spoke about this on air.
00:15:46.000 You know, I've worked with there have been a couple of people, Michelle, who have approached me about sort of syndicating the show.
00:15:50.000 We're on a couple of stations.
00:15:50.000 We're on a couple of stations.
00:15:51.000 And then what comes with it is, OK, they get to pick the sub host or they want to have control over the guests.
00:15:51.000 And then what comes with it is, okay, they get to pick the subhosts or they want to have control over the guests.
00:15:57.000 And so once the conversation turns to me going, go screw yourself.
00:15:57.000 And so once the conversation turns to me going, go screw yourself.
00:16:00.000 We don't really need it and thanks anyway.
00:16:02.000 It's no, no, no, no, no.
00:16:03.000 All of a sudden, the dynamic changes and people find that interesting.
00:16:07.000 And I think that's what's interesting about you.
00:16:09.000 If you're on a panel and there's three other people or if you're on debating to other people and their goal is, okay, make sure I get back on the show again.
00:16:17.000 It's a very different...
00:16:19.000 There's going to be a very different path taken to that end goal than, okay, make sure I'm right and truthful.
00:16:26.000 Exactly.
00:16:27.000 Exactly.
00:16:28.000 That's right.
00:16:29.000 And I would say that the most enjoyable TV appearances I've had since I've gotten back into it the last couple of weeks...
00:16:39.000 We're the longer-form programs and segments.
00:16:44.000 I did 45 minutes on C-SPAN, and God bless C-SPAN. You know, it's always no holds barred there, and they've always been great about just, you know, giving me a fair shot.
00:16:56.000 And when it's more conversational, and really when somebody's yelling at you and, you know, calling you the most evil person on earth, and you're able to do more than 30 seconds and really reveal...
00:17:08.000 You know, the truth about who the real haters are.
00:17:11.000 It's really enjoyable.
00:17:13.000 It's a lot of fun.
00:17:15.000 And then the other thing I did recently was I got to speak at the Reagan Ranch last week, and they're going to be showing that on C-SPAN again.
00:17:23.000 And I think it's really important to reach that kind of audience because people will give you a shot because they know it's not just going to be 30 seconds and out.
00:17:33.000 And you have time to develop your ideas, and that's what I got to do with this book.
00:17:37.000 As opposed to...
00:17:39.000 The other reason why I was really mad the other day, Stephen, was a Washington Post book reviewer who was mocking the chapter that I did on toilet paper, thinking that this was so funny in and of itself, QED, because he couldn't wrap his head around possibly reading the whole thing, digesting it, and understanding the thrust of what I was trying to do, which is what you tried to do with so many...
00:18:04.000 And done successfully in your past videos of, in particular, reaching younger people.
00:18:10.000 Remember the segment you did with the kids and the Halloween candy, which is still one of my kids' favorite segments, of really driving these lessons about a free market economy home?
00:18:22.000 Yeah, well, you know, first off, I'm actually more flattered when your kids compliment me, Michelle.
00:18:28.000 No offense to you, but it's like for people who don't realize their children are these absolute, just total talent, these massive talent pools where you look at it and you go, oh my gosh, I wish I were as good at anything as this kid is at music.
00:18:41.000 I'm a loser, and it makes me want to go swallow a sword.
00:18:44.000 Is that the Asian thing? 0.83
00:18:46.000 Are you the tiger mom?
00:18:47.000 Is that what's going on?
00:18:49.000 Well, I had a mountain lion mom, and I look like the marshmallow woman compared to her.
00:18:56.000 But, you know, I think that inculcating that sense of drive and work ethic, and there's a Latin phrase that I included at the end of the book, which is really our family motto, nihil boni sin labore.
00:19:11.000 There's nothing great achieved without work.
00:19:14.000 Yeah.
00:19:15.000 There's your Latin letter for the day, dude.
00:19:17.000 Unless you're a Kardashian, and that includes just tucking your sub behind your legs right now.
00:19:22.000 Are you getting an award for that, Michelle?
00:19:25.000 I'm sorry.
00:19:25.000 I took the conversation to weird way.
00:19:27.000 Let's hit the refresh and bring on for the last segment where we can talk specifically about your book.
00:19:27.000 You know what?
00:19:34.000 I know you've talked about that everywhere else, but my audience may not necessarily be familiar with it because there are a couple things that I think are important for everyone to know, and you should drive that point home.
00:19:42.000 Michelle Malkin, Lauder with Cratter.
00:19:43.000 We'll be right back.
00:19:44.000 We are back with Michelle Malkin.
00:19:46.000 Now is the point where I justify having brought her on the show.
00:19:50.000 So this book, Who Built That, awe-inspiring stories of American tinkerpreneurs, that's a hard word to pronounce, tinkerpreneurs.
00:19:57.000 It's obviously sort of a shot back over the bow on you didn't build that from Barack Obama.
00:20:05.000 Did this come from a place because you yourself are...
00:20:08.000 I don't want to be one of those interviews where all I'm doing is kissing up, but you're pretty much a pioneer.
00:20:16.000 You blazed a lot of new trails with some of the things you did in the online sphere.
00:20:21.000 Was that a big inspiration for this?
00:20:24.000 Well, I appreciate that, and I really appreciate just your public recognition of that.
00:20:28.000 Because, you know, again, I think it's served the left's purposes to not acknowledge, you know, the full breadth of who you are.
00:20:36.000 So it's much easier to just, you know, consider me these phrases that have been bandied about for the last, you know, decade and a half on all.
00:20:45.000 online that I'm just some white man's puppet.
00:20:47.000 You know?
00:20:48.000 Yeah.
00:20:48.000 Right.
00:20:49.000 I actually did think of these business ideas.
00:20:51.000 Let me real quick clarify what that is because it's important.
00:20:55.000 I said no one was doing the Twitter aggregation sort of news timeline before you did it at Twitchy.
00:20:59.000 And people were furious.
00:21:01.000 And listen, I wasn't saying you invented Twitter, okay?
00:21:05.000 I like you, Michelle.
00:21:06.000 I don't like you that much.
00:21:08.000 I wouldn't love false.
00:21:09.000 I don't like me that much.
00:21:10.000 Exactly.
00:21:11.000 I was saying that news sites, you know, they might mention offhandedly like Ashton Kutcher said something stupid and there might be a hyperlink to Twitter.
00:21:18.000 But you were the first one to put in a timeline in a way that was entirely graphically accessible.
00:21:24.000 This is what happened on Twitter.
00:21:25.000 This is the narrative.
00:21:27.000 And that was the entire news story, not tossing it in with commentary.
00:21:30.000 You were the first person to do that.
00:21:32.000 And I was amazed that people were mad at me giving credit.
00:21:36.000 Well, yeah, and I think partly it was deliberate misunderstanding, deliberate misunderstanding, and also, again, because if people acknowledge that, yeah, I had something to do with that, yeah, I had an innovative thought, again, I think it's something that does not compute in their worldview, and that's why you'll never see me at South by Southwest, or up there with Ariana Huffington.
00:22:01.000 I have to tell you, Stephen, when we first rolled out Twitchy, I mean, you can go back and look, unless, of course, they deleted them.
00:22:09.000 I didn't bother to save any of these stupid tweets of people who had no idea what I was doing.
00:22:14.000 They didn't understand it.
00:22:16.000 They thought Twitchy was the stupidest thing.
00:22:18.000 Even some former so-called colleagues, At other sites that I had created, snarking about...
00:22:26.000 We want names.
00:22:26.000 We want names.
00:22:28.000 No, I'm not.
00:22:29.000 I know, I know.
00:22:30.000 I'm being Christian.
00:22:32.000 So, look, you know, this is something that, of course, every disruptive innovator from the industrial age to the internet age has had to face, whatever the degree.
00:22:42.000 Obviously, it was so much smaller than mine.
00:22:44.000 You know, it's not a huge breakthrough.
00:22:46.000 I think it was inevitable that you were going to see Twitter aggregation.
00:22:49.000 We just happened to be there...
00:22:51.000 I think it was really important to gain a foothold in that, because I think the right has been caught flat-footed so much, and I wanted to be ahead, and we were, and I'm really proud of that.
00:23:02.000 I think that this idea of disruptive innovation really captivated me, and that's why I was so really keen on doing this book.
00:23:10.000 It was really like taking a graduate course in the history of American innovation.
00:23:15.000 Now, would you say – well, I guess I'm – let me scrap that question.
00:23:20.000 I was going to say if you feel the need to focus more so on inventions or sort of improvements because it seems that the United States now doesn't maybe invent as much but they improve upon things really, really well.
00:23:33.000 They innovate things or they're creating better mousetraps.
00:23:36.000 Do you think we're in a stage right now in American history as you research this book where – Not everything under the sun has been done, but a lot of it has.
00:23:44.000 And so you see more entrepreneurs, you know, like the Zuckerbergs, people who didn't invent the Internet, but they're creating the Facebook, they're creating the Instagram.
00:23:51.000 Does that seem to be where the puck is going?
00:23:54.000 Yeah, I think so.
00:23:55.000 And, you know, actually, that's a trend that traces back to the industrial age.
00:24:00.000 And that's one of the things that makes our free market economy, you know, such a marvel.
00:24:05.000 I have a quote from de Tocqueville.
00:24:09.000 In the book that talks about how, you know, what makes America look great is not the endeavors of a few huge products and projects, but the confluence of an amazing amount of small ones.
00:24:23.000 And that's the history of, whether it's the bottle cap or the razor blade or even the development of glass bottles in this country, that it was One insight that was labored upon and tinkered upon for years and years and years and continually improved, and of course the ability to profit from those large amounts of improvements over time.
00:24:45.000 I mean, the people that I highlight didn't just have one or two patents.
00:24:48.000 They had 200 or 300 or 400.
00:24:51.000 They should have gone on Shark Tank.
00:24:54.000 They get chewed out by Kevin.
00:24:57.000 You know what?
00:24:58.000 That's another thing.
00:24:59.000 You know, we talk about that.
00:25:00.000 There seems to be – because conservatives love to write off millennials.
00:25:04.000 You know what I mean?
00:25:05.000 And yes, they're far to the left.
00:25:06.000 But there really is – if you look at their investment patterns, they're not rolling the dice in the stock market.
00:25:11.000 But they actually are investing long-term in diversified portfolios.
00:25:14.000 They do believe in higher taxation and Bernie Sanders.
00:25:18.000 But then you look at them and a lot of them are really trying to swing for the fences and become entrepreneurs.
00:25:23.000 Do you think the American entrepreneur is, like a lot of people on the right say, kind of dead with my generation?
00:25:29.000 Or do you think that it'll be even bigger than ever?
00:25:33.000 Well, yeah, it is thriving in a way and it is that indie spirit, which has sort of been the theme of our entire show.
00:25:40.000 Show here, of people who want to work for themselves.
00:25:44.000 Now, it's paradoxical, because on the one hand, shows like Shark Tank are wildly popular, and yet these same millennials who are striving to hit it big vote for people whose entire careers are based on demonizing the financially successful.
00:26:01.000 So why is that?
00:26:02.000 Why don't they connect the dots?
00:26:04.000 I think a lot of it has to do with just a complete vacuum and absence of Yes, I quoted Bruno Mars the other day.
00:26:22.000 He's got that song, Billionaire, which, you know, they all bop their heads to, because I want to be a billionaire so freaking bad, right?
00:26:29.000 Buy all the things I never had.
00:26:31.000 And at the same time, they listen to Obama, the class warrior, Right.
00:26:42.000 That is true.
00:26:43.000 That's a good point.
00:26:43.000 I remember, actually, the last time I saw you, I think your husband was coming back from a Bruno Mars concert with your kids.
00:26:50.000 Yeah, we happily fork over our heart in earned money. 0.87
00:26:53.000 Right.
00:26:53.000 Yeah, no, exactly.
00:26:55.000 It's a good point.
00:26:56.000 I think there is a disconnect.
00:26:57.000 I don't know if it's...
00:26:58.000 I mean, you have people who are staying in school longer.
00:27:00.000 A lot of them haven't paid taxes.
00:27:02.000 Socialism is no longer a dirty word because of the institution of higher learning and, of course, the media.
00:27:09.000 I mean, if you look at Bernie Sanders, it's amazing, but he's gaining so much traction with people my age, dare I say it, even more than Hillary with the leftists.
00:27:17.000 And these same people are often the people who are innovating and creating these amazing services online.
00:27:21.000 So there is a real sort of dichotomy there.
00:27:25.000 And I don't know that I have – I try and provide – I don't know that I have any kind of an answer for it other than hopefully they'll grow out of it.
00:27:31.000 I mean, I don't know how when, you know, the common clarification of the teaching of AP U.S. history, the teaching of economics in this country is now, you know, thoroughly saturating.
00:27:44.000 I mean, it's not just college.
00:27:46.000 It's not AP U.S. history courses.
00:27:48.000 It's preschool, where you've got an entire cadre of social justice warriors turning our kids against entrepreneurialism. 0.98
00:27:58.000 And obviously, you know, these people who are coming out of the teaching core, the Teach for America types, what do they do?
00:28:04.000 What do they make?
00:28:06.000 They make trouble.
00:28:07.000 They're leading the Baltimore and Ferguson protests.
00:28:10.000 Right.
00:28:11.000 I'm feeling a lot of microaggression from you right now.
00:28:14.000 I'm not going to lie.
00:28:16.000 Yeah, I know.
00:28:17.000 We actually were doing a video on that.
00:28:18.000 Do you realize that not a single person we asked, not one, knew what microaggression was except for gender studies feminists?
00:28:25.000 I can't wait to see this.
00:28:27.000 Oh, and by the way, the one lady, this is totally off-camera. 1.00
00:28:30.000 My video producer Jared is here.
00:28:32.000 This one girl was talking. 1.00
00:28:33.000 She was like, I want to talk about this off-camera.
00:28:34.000 I said, okay.
00:28:35.000 She goes, you don't know what it's like to be a woman and experience sexism. 1.00
00:28:38.000 And listen, Michelle, you're a small lady. 0.99
00:28:42.000 I mean, you've been around my wife and I. It's the land of giants.
00:28:44.000 Yes.
00:28:46.000 Our wedding was like straight out of a page of Hitler Youth. 0.60
00:28:49.000 Every single bridesmaid was six foot blonde. 1.00
00:28:51.000 That is going to be...
00:28:53.000 Okay, never mind.
00:28:54.000 That's going to be clipped and taken out of context, I know.
00:28:57.000 But Lee Dorn was also there, and I turned to him and I said, Lee, I'm so sorry that you feel so Jewish. 1.00
00:29:06.000 I said, I know, this is the whitest wedding. 0.95
00:29:08.000 Everyone looks like they're Aryan. 1.00
00:29:10.000 And he said, no, no, I get it.
00:29:11.000 They're all related to your wife.
00:29:13.000 It's Russian, German, like, pure. 0.77
00:29:16.000 That is my wife's bloodline, so it comes with a look.
00:29:19.000 But this gender studies feminist said, you know what it's like to be a woman? 1.00
00:29:22.000 And I think you would know, Michelle.
00:29:24.000 And she goes, you know, some guy, like I was walking down the street today, just, you know, the stuff they say.
00:29:28.000 And I said, well, like what?
00:29:29.000 Someone complimented me on my smile.
00:29:31.000 I kid you not.
00:29:33.000 I said, well, first off, she was lying because she had a horrendous smile.
00:29:36.000 I'm sorry.
00:29:37.000 She was not an attractive woman who you would say, hey, beautiful smile. 1.00
00:29:41.000 It's more of a snarl.
00:29:42.000 I said, well, great.
00:29:44.000 And she just couldn't believe I said that.
00:29:46.000 Well, you don't know.
00:29:46.000 Do you ever have anyone compliment you on your smile?
00:29:48.000 I said, no, because I've got a snaggle tooth, but I would like to.
00:29:51.000 We have an entire generation of people who are just offended.
00:29:55.000 And anyways, this doesn't go back to the entrepreneur thing, but I think that still is reflected in this disconnect even with the entrepreneurial spirit.
00:30:01.000 People who are out there who want to strike it big, yet they vote for people who punish them for that.
00:30:06.000 People who want free speech, who want this form of ideas, yet they're social justice warriors and they don't see it.
00:30:13.000 And that does frustrate me.
00:30:15.000 And I think a big part of that is honestly an absence of the right even reaching out to them.
00:30:21.000 Well, yeah.
00:30:22.000 I mean, what you were describing with microaggression and these feminists, I mean, I experienced it all at Oberlin, and I always talk about the Oberlinization of America, and I think that kind of ties everything together here, because they're not actually imparting knowledge of history into kids' brains from preschool through college and beyond.
00:30:46.000 And then a lot of these people who, of course, are majoring in gender studies or multiculturalism are the people who are then going back into the elementary school classroom.
00:30:57.000 So what does that bode for innovation?
00:31:00.000 What does that bode for the next generation of makers and builders?
00:31:04.000 Well, it means that these young people are not getting their educations inside the classroom.
00:31:08.000 They're getting them outside the classroom.
00:31:10.000 And the last chapter, I talk about the history of prosthetics in America from the Civil War to the present.
00:31:16.000 And I do have some sense of hope because I quote these Girl Scouts who made this Lego-powered prosthetic hand for a little girl, a toddler, who had been born with a congenital defect.
00:31:28.000 And somehow these girls, maybe through their Girl Scout troop, I don't know what, but parents or grandparents who still have some sense of appreciation for innovation and intellectual property rights, one of the little girls said, I'm so glad that we're getting a patent because it means that we've made it.
00:31:46.000 So, yay! 1.00
00:31:48.000 So, there you go.
00:31:49.000 A glimmer of hope.
00:31:50.000 Let's put them in touch with Caitlyn Jenner, and they can help each other.
00:31:55.000 You've been thinking about her, him, way too much.
00:31:59.000 Yeah, I know.
00:32:00.000 I honestly have.
00:32:00.000 I know.
00:32:01.000 And you know what's funny?
00:32:03.000 Okay, there are so many things.
00:32:04.000 That's a topic for another day, and we're actually going to have some people on it.
00:32:07.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:32:08.000 This doesn't involve my book.
00:32:10.000 And I'm sorry, Michelle, I think I've gotten to maybe, no, I've asked exactly zero questions that were suggested by your publicist talking about the book.
00:32:17.000 Yahoo!
00:32:18.000 I know, but I really do think if people haven't read any of your books, this is a great one to start with.
00:32:25.000 Now, where's the best place for people to find you?
00:32:27.000 You're everywhere.
00:32:28.000 Where can people find the angry brown lady most easily? 1.00
00:32:32.000 at Michelle Malkin on Twitter and michellemalkin.com on the web.
00:32:37.000 And do not anger her on Twitter.
00:32:37.000 This is true.
00:32:40.000 I've seen what happens.
00:32:43.000 Not safe for work, yeah.
00:32:45.000 No, it is not safe.
00:32:46.000 Well, it's not safe for...
00:32:47.000 I mean, it wouldn't be safe for the Avengers if you go nuclear on these people on Twitter.
00:32:53.000 You know, I'd say I have your back, but matter of fact, I would rather...
00:32:57.000 I need you to have my back more so, but not only that, if you could just swaddle me like a baby through Twitter and carry me, I think that'd be a more...
00:33:05.000 Appropriate representation.
00:33:06.000 Michelle, thank you so much for coming on.
00:33:09.000 I know you're not doing the media all the time, but whenever you have anything, please do come back.
00:33:14.000 I will.
00:33:15.000 Always a pleasure.
00:33:16.000 Thanks, man.
00:33:16.000 Thank you so much.
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