Louder with Crowder - Milo Yiannopoulos Schools Crowder On #GamerGate || Louder With Crowder

00:00:00.000 Yes, this interview is awesome, but what's even more awesome if you click this box is the extended 45-minute uncensored uncut portion of the interview that never ran on terrestrial radio or on this channel.

00:00:10.000 It's over at Milo's channel.

00:00:12.000 Enjoy. 0.98

00:00:13.000 Okay, you said you were a homo, so now I have to ask. 1.00

00:00:16.000 Is the Mariah Carey, is that the gay team jersey for English people like Celine is for the gay people in Quebec? 0.98

00:00:23.000 Yeah, I mean, it's just signaling, really, you know?

00:00:26.000 I say I like her.

00:00:29.000 I have no idea if I really do.

00:00:32.000 Who knows?

00:00:34.000 I'm glad to have our next guest on.

00:00:36.000 He's actually writing a book on something many of you may not know about.

00:00:39.000 Some of you do.

00:00:40.000 Online, you probably know.

00:00:41.000 On terrestrial radio, some of you don't know.

00:00:43.000 But this is the guy with whom you should speak.

00:00:45.000 Milo Yiannopoulos.

00:00:47.000 What's the title for the book, Milo?

00:00:50.000 Well, the working title is just Gamergate, which is the name of the controversy, but it's dependent on my publishers.

00:00:55.000 They may want to give it a sexed-up title. 0.91

00:00:56.000 At the moment, it's just Gamergate.

00:00:58.000 Okay, now I'm detecting an accent.

00:00:59.000 Polish?

00:01:00.000 Yes, yes.

00:01:02.000 No, actually from the Ukraine.

00:01:03.000 No, I'm from London.

00:01:07.000 Okay, there you go.

00:01:08.000 Dialing in from my spare bedroom in London.

00:01:10.000 Oh, very nice.

00:01:11.000 Well, I didn't know you guys get internet out there.

00:01:12.000 So, Milo, I'm sorry.

00:01:16.000 Didn't we invent it along with everything else?

00:01:19.000 I mean, come on, along with the language you're speaking?

00:01:21.000 Give me a break.

00:01:21.000 Here's my problem, though, and we've had Paul Joseph Watson on about this.

00:01:25.000 Yes.

00:01:26.000 He's from the north.

00:01:27.000 I mean, he is from somewhere with no internet.

00:01:30.000 They barely have running water up there.

00:01:32.000 I'm from civilization down south.

00:01:33.000 It's fine here.

00:01:34.000 So northern England is kind of like Quebec is to Canada?

00:01:37.000 Is that what you're saying?

00:01:39.000 I'm not from...

00:01:40.000 Well, I mean, Quebec is full of French people, so nothing could be worse than that. 1.00

00:01:43.000 But no, I think the north of England is probably more like Detroit, maybe, or I don't know, somewhere really barren and hopeless and just sort of...

00:01:54.000 Oh, God.

00:01:55.000 Somewhere that's just in managed decline.

00:01:57.000 Okay.

00:01:57.000 Well, this is a great start for a home station in Detroit.

00:02:03.000 Well, okay.

00:02:04.000 So, Milo, anyways, all I was going to say is my problem is you do speak English properly.

00:02:08.000 You just don't pronounce your R's.

00:02:09.000 And if you invented the language, find someone who can teach you the R's. 1.00

00:02:11.000 Milo, Gamergate, a lot of people don't really know what this is or they get the wrong focus.

00:02:17.000 So I don't want to put words in your mouth.

00:02:19.000 But this is something that I've been following online.

00:02:21.000 And I see it as an incredible opportunity to fight back against...

00:02:25.000 Honestly, we have the language police, where I was raised in Quebec, the actual police, language, police de langue, anyways.

00:02:31.000 Now, I'm sorry, I'm offending you with the French. 0.99

00:02:33.000 Please don't hit the shut-off button.

00:02:34.000 No, no, I know about this.

00:02:36.000 They have the Académie Française in Paris, which attempts to regulate the French language.

00:02:41.000 Why bother?

00:02:42.000 Yes.

00:02:42.000 Right.

00:02:43.000 And a lot of similarities now with the politically correct sort of, I guess you'd say, pseudo-language police in the United States.

00:02:49.000 I see a lot of that with Gamergate, a really strong rejection, but I know it's about ethics and journalism.

00:02:55.000 Again, I don't want to put words in your mouth.

00:02:56.000 So you go educate the root.

00:02:58.000 Whatever in my mouth you want.

00:02:59.000 No, I mean, the interesting thing about the Gamergate controversy, the reason I think it's significant, the reason I think it matters to people who don't play video games and who don't care about video games, is that the gamers have been the first fandom, the first community, not only to fight back against the language police, the social justice warriors, the feminists, the censors, the trendy metropolitan liberal bloggers on the East and West Coast, they've not only been the first community to fight back, they've been the first community to win.

00:03:26.000 They are winning those battles, the Bloggers concerned have had to give sort of grudging admissions of their conflicts of interest.

00:03:32.000 The feminists now are sort of running with their tails between their legs, admitting that maybe they got it wrong, and oh, they're sorry for being so decisive. 1.00

00:03:40.000 Well, you're not wrong.

00:03:44.000 Well, it depends on the feminists. 1.00

00:03:46.000 Some of them, of course, used to be men.

00:03:47.000 But, you know, the issue is...

00:03:50.000 That not only did gamers take them on, but gamers won.

00:03:54.000 And they provided a really interesting template for other fandoms and for other sorts of people to fight back.

00:04:01.000 And basically what it teaches us is what I think we've known all along, which is if you don't give in, if you don't budge, if you don't give in, if you don't say, oh, God, we're sorry.

00:04:08.000 We did this poster with a sexy woman on it. 1.00

00:04:10.000 It's really offended everybody.

00:04:12.000 If you stand your ground...

00:04:14.000 Your consumers, your customers will reward you for it.

00:04:17.000 And the potential benefits are not just financial but also reputational.

00:04:20.000 The only thing you can do wrong in the face of the sort of feminism, social justice warrior incursion, the only thing you can do wrong is give in. 0.99

00:04:29.000 And gamers have demonstrated this with sort of fortitude and thoroughness and extraordinary meticulous attention to detail in their campaigns and all the rest of it, like we've never seen before.

00:04:39.000 And it's been a remarkable thing to watch.

00:04:41.000 Video games is an $87 billion industry, bigger than Hollywood.

00:04:44.000 It is going to be a very significant part of the way that people communicate, the way people enjoy themselves, the way they relate to other human beings.

00:04:50.000 It's a very significant and very important.

00:04:52.000 It's a very important art form.

00:04:54.000 It's a very important cultural movement and people of my children's generation.

00:05:01.000 will communicate with one another and will come to find out about the world in large part through gaming of some kind, video games of some kind, and to sort of nip in the bud this poisonous ideology which is so thoroughly and completely and effectively infected literature, comic books, and to sort of nip in the bud this poisonous ideology which is so thoroughly and completely and effectively infected literature, comic books, sci-fi, fantasy, to stand up to

00:05:25.000 It's based on tired, discredited 70s identity politics and ridiculous ideology that fill out a fashion in academia decades ago.

00:05:32.000 What you're saying is nonsense.

00:05:33.000 You are calling people names who don't deserve to be called names.

00:05:36.000 You're dragging people's names through the mud.

00:05:38.000 There is no basis for any of the claims that you're making.

00:05:41.000 Get out of our hobby.

00:05:42.000 For the first time, it's starting to work and I think gamers deserve some credit for that and as somebody who's interested in the culture wars and is interested in battlegrounds of this type, the Gamergate controversy has been by far the most interesting one that I've encountered in the last eight, ten years.

00:05:59.000 You know, it's fascinating you talk about that because you have two different sort of factions – People saying, well, don't bring it to the feminist issue. 1.00

00:06:04.000 This is about ethics and journalism.

00:06:06.000 It's sort of a gamer version of, you know, journalist, which I know you work with.

00:06:10.000 You've done some work with Breitbart.

00:06:11.000 Andrew Breitbart was a big part in revealing it.

00:06:14.000 So I know that the two kind of intersect, but I think people miss that bigger point.

00:06:18.000 And I think it's because a lot of gamers aren't inherently conservative like I am.

00:06:21.000 And I think conservatives maybe have a disconnect there.

00:06:23.000 They're starting off from a platform of life, liberty, pursuit of happiness.

00:06:27.000 And I think gamers are experiencing the wrath of sort of this politically correct monster that many of them don't even realize they've helped create.

00:06:37.000 Well, what's interesting about gamers is gaming as a medium, I think, is a naturally libertarian medium.

00:06:44.000 It's mostly about personal agency and the consequences of one's own actions.

00:06:48.000 It's about self-sufficiency. 0.99

00:06:50.000 And shooting hookers. 1.00

00:06:51.000 And, of course, shooting hookers, which we all love to do, on the screen. 1.00

00:06:56.000 Unless you're Charlie Sheen. 0.99

00:06:57.000 Continue.

00:06:58.000 Well, you know, I think it's an inherently libertarian medium.

00:07:03.000 And the war opening up for me is not so much between left and right as between authoritarians and libertarians.

00:07:11.000 I very much see what I see happening is gamers who are instinctively left wing, they think Wait, hold on one second.

00:07:16.000 Jeez, I didn't realize.

00:07:17.000 We have to go to a break.

00:07:18.000 Let's keep the lights on, and then I'll bring you right back.

00:07:18.000 Hold on.

00:07:22.000 Milo of Gamergate fame.

00:07:24.000 Loud Earth Crowder.

00:07:24.000 Stay tuned.

00:07:25.000 Back with Milo, writing a title, writing a book, sorry, on Gamergate.

00:07:29.000 Huge scandal, actually, in one of the biggest industries, not only in the United States, in the world.

00:07:33.000 So it's important to talk about Milo.

00:07:35.000 I had to cut you off.

00:07:36.000 The floor is yours, sir.

00:07:37.000 Continue.

00:07:38.000 What I was saying is that the biggest gap for me is not between the left and the right in this war.

00:07:38.000 Yeah, sure.

00:07:44.000 I think gamers think of themselves as a reflexively left wing and I think they're right to.

00:07:47.000 Certainly all the surveys they do show that they're left wing on most social and many economic issues.

00:07:52.000 The gap for me, the interesting gap, and I think it's one that's opening up throughout society, is between authoritarianism and libertarianism.

00:07:59.000 I think it's between people who want to dictate how others live and people who simply want to be left alone.

00:08:03.000 Now, gamers very firmly fall into that second box of people who want to be left alone.

00:08:06.000 That's why, in many cases, they're playing games in the first place.

00:08:09.000 So they've reacted very strongly against people who want to tell them what's acceptable and what's not in their games.

00:08:16.000 And I don't think it really matters where those points of view come from.

00:08:20.000 What's interesting about the social justice warriors like Anita Sarkeesian is just how much they have in common with the old religious right.

00:08:26.000 Almost indistinguishable, for example, from Jack Thompson, who said that video games are very violent.

00:08:31.000 Anita Sarkeesian says they're sexist.

00:08:33.000 And these critics use the same tactics.

00:08:34.000 They demand the same things.

00:08:36.000 They use the same language.

00:08:37.000 And to all intents and purposes, they are indistinguishable from one another.

00:08:40.000 Social justice warriors and feminists, of course, hate this being pointed out to them. 1.00

00:08:44.000 But it is nonetheless true.

00:08:45.000 And so I think the most important distinction is really between people who just want to be left alone to enjoy their hobby, consumers and fans of an entertainment medium.

00:08:54.000 And, you know, these broken middle class white train wrecks who have decided that the world is broken and they're the only people who can fix it. 0.81

00:09:02.000 Well, let me back it up a little bit because you talk about social justice warriors and sort of, I guess, I know Paul Joseph Watson uses the term third wave feminism.

00:09:09.000 I use the term neo-feminism. 0.69

00:09:11.000 Let's back it up for people who maybe don't know the story.

00:09:15.000 How are they encroaching, I guess, on how are they being authoritarian with the gaming industry?

00:09:19.000 A lot of people may not even necessarily know how it started or what the catalyst was because it was pretty specific, right?

00:09:26.000 Sure.

00:09:26.000 So understand where this has all come from.

00:09:29.000 You have to understand first that gaming grew very quickly and as a result you had a trade press, a press that was really just catering to the industry.

00:09:38.000 It suddenly found itself almost overnight becoming a consumer press and these sites that had very low quality journalism and very poor ethical standards and were uniformly very left wing and they signed up to that third wave feminist sort of authoritarian microaggression safe space man slamming kind of nonsense and they Almost uniformly signed up to that.

00:10:02.000 Suddenly found themselves the gaming press establishment, and it happened almost overnight.

00:10:06.000 Now these people, almost without exception, have bought in entirely to the Anita Sarkeesian view of the world, which is that video games can make you sexist in the real world.

00:10:18.000 That's the issue here.

00:10:19.000 The question that needs to be answered that nobody has satisfactorily given evidence for is this claim.

00:10:25.000 Video games can somehow make you worse than the real world.

00:10:28.000 Now the press, which had done a really good job of defending video games against charges of violence, did a really bad job against charges of sexism.

00:10:36.000 And it was sort of accepted that...

00:10:39.000 Video games could make you sexist.

00:10:41.000 Now, the problem is that there's no proof for that.

00:10:44.000 There's no evidence.

00:10:45.000 There's no scientific study that shows that.

00:10:48.000 And what feminists did, as they've done so many times before, is embarked on this campaign of misdirection, where they started to gin up and then... 1.00

00:10:57.000 And make a fuss about supposed threats of, you know, rape threats, death threats, you name it.

00:11:03.000 This is a classic strategy from the feminist playbook. 1.00

00:11:05.000 And what it does is it shifts the sympathy and attention onto the abuse claims and sort of draws the eye away from asking whether any of the claims that those feminists are making in their critiques are actually true or not. 0.57

00:11:18.000 So this sort of waved through almost without criticism of attention.

00:11:22.000 I mean this is a microcosm of a problem at large, particularly in the United States.

00:11:27.000 I don't want to speak for the UK. You can speak more effectively to that.

00:11:30.000 But have you been staying up to date on Mattress Girl? 0.99

00:11:33.000 Yes, the liar. 0.96

00:11:34.000 I read the complaint and it's horrifying. 0.99

00:11:38.000 But this is a classic thing that feminists do. 1.00

00:11:40.000 They claim abuse, they claim harassment, they claim persecution, they claim anything it takes to draw attention away from the original set of claims they were making.

00:11:48.000 Because what they've learned is that by doing that, they no longer have to really justify the original points of view.

00:11:53.000 People accept them as given because they think, well, if you're being persecuted and abused and threatened because of this, there must be something in it.

00:12:00.000 The reality is there's nothing in it.

00:12:02.000 Jackie at UVA wasn't raped.

00:12:04.000 Mattress Girl wasn't raped. 1.00

00:12:06.000 The Gamergate critics have no validity whatsoever in any of the arguments that they possibly have.

00:12:10.000 Well, they pivoted with Mattress Girl. 0.99

00:12:12.000 We just wrote about that at the website where basically the burden of proof is entirely on the man to prove he's innocent in these sort of, I guess, mock college trials.

00:12:21.000 Like, okay, are we going to go forward with these charges?

00:12:23.000 It was brought to some campus police.

00:12:25.000 I'm not exactly quite clear.

00:12:27.000 It's all written up in the reports that we have on the website.

00:12:30.000 And They still said, listen, there's nothing here.

00:12:33.000 This guy probably isn't guilty.

00:12:34.000 The parents are suing the school.

00:12:36.000 Graduation was ruined.

00:12:37.000 And even the liberals who are conceding now saying, well, the left, I say, saying, okay, maybe this was false.

00:12:43.000 But that's not the point.

00:12:44.000 It's still a good thing because it brought awareness to a really big problem.

00:12:48.000 We don't have the numbers in the problem, mind you, but the really big problem of campus rape. 0.61

00:12:52.000 I mean, honestly, one in four women, you would believe that just people, I mean, anyone with a penis, you and I are just going out and just raping women by the throngs on campus to hear it from the media.

00:13:02.000 Well, you know, these things don't even survive a common sense test. 0.86

00:13:07.000 They particularly don't survive any kind of critical or academic inquiry.

00:13:10.000 So, you know, you look at people like Kristina of Summers at the American Enterprise Institute who very effectively and completely demolished most of these claims, whether it's the gender wage gap, which does not exist, whether it's the rape crisis of rape culture on campus, which does not exist.

00:13:26.000 You know, this stuff is posited and then immediately you'll notice in every case that There's a misdirection applied to it.

00:13:33.000 It does exist if you count all drunken intercourse as rape.

00:13:37.000 So they try to make it exist.

00:13:39.000 That's the issue now.

00:13:39.000 So, I mean, you know, I've written quite extensively about this sort of stuff.

00:13:43.000 I mean, I'm a homo, so I don't really have a...

00:13:46.000 I didn't know if you were just English or what.

00:13:50.000 No, no, no. 0.96

00:13:51.000 Both English and gay. 0.88

00:13:52.000 That's why I sound so posh.

00:13:55.000 I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I've written a lot about it because I see what's happening to men and I see how unfair it is.

00:14:01.000 This is a hostile environment for men.

00:14:05.000 It's driving men, for example, out of the institution of marriage because they realize it's no longer a good cost-benefit for them.

00:14:10.000 It's driving them out of society and into porn and video games and all sorts of other things.

00:14:14.000 I call it the sexodus in a big two-part piece I wrote last year.

00:14:18.000 You know, I see a lot of this happening.

00:14:20.000 And it's very sad.

00:14:22.000 And what you notice is the architecture of these events where you can always tell the cons.

00:14:26.000 First of all, because the initial claims are just too good to be true.

00:14:30.000 Like Sabrina Erdely from Rolling Stone went, by her own admission, so-called rape shopping. 1.00

00:14:35.000 She went looking for the most outrageous and extraordinary rape she could find. 1.00

00:14:39.000 Something that would really, as I think the Daily Caller put it, a rape that would pop. 0.99

00:14:44.000 And of course what happened is she found a liar. 0.98

00:14:46.000 And a liar who would tell her whatever she wanted.

00:14:49.000 And then of course the story became about how the university tried to cover it up and everybody was being so mean to her. 0.90

00:14:54.000 And the original fact of the rape took quite a while to come out.

00:14:57.000 It took a while to realize that that was true.

00:15:00.000 Similarly with Mattress Girl, you know, this ridiculous art stunt, this attention seeking, turning herself into a liberal hero on the basis of a lie, was done to distract us from finding out whether or not the original claims were true at all.

00:15:15.000 Now, the reason this is relevant to Gamergate is that, yes, it is primarily, firstly and foremostly, about press ethics because all of this stuff is played out in an uncritical press that takes the side of the feminists against reason, against fact, against common sense, and against their own audiences.

00:15:32.000 The sorts of people who are upset about this stuff don't play video games.

00:15:35.000 They don't talk about video games.

00:15:37.000 They don't care about video games.

00:15:38.000 The sorts of people who talk about this stuff are interested in winning culture wars.

00:15:41.000 And what the journalists are now beginning to realise is that their audiences have almost entirely abandoned them.

00:15:46.000 And that's where the journalistic ethics come in.

00:15:48.000 I think that these two issues are inextricably linked because the driving motivation behind ethical failures in video games journalism is social justice ideology.

00:15:59.000 That's why they do it, because they believe, like Rolling Stone believed, that the narrative, as you suggested, the narrative is more important than the fact.

00:16:05.000 Yes, exactly.

00:16:06.000 And the one thing that I do hope that gamers who may not – who may have been entirely closed off to I guess sort of what they see as libertarian or more right-wing conservative ideology, whatever you want to call it.

00:16:16.000 We've talked about this on the show.

00:16:17.000 You know, Larry King, we just pulled this from an interview from a podcast where he said, you know, I don't think the cable is as effective as it used to be.

00:16:24.000 The media can no longer elect presidents.

00:16:26.000 And he said it condemning media as though they should have that ability.

00:16:29.000 What I hope people see is that the same Republicans and the conservatives or whatever you call them in the UK, you guys are changing the terminology all the time.

00:16:38.000 It's like Quebec. 0.52

00:16:39.000 Whatever they want to call them, who they vilified.

00:16:41.000 These are the same people who've been fighting out against the press for decades saying, hey, listen, there is only one voice, one point of view in the press, and that is the voice of the politically correct authoritarian.

00:16:53.000 My mouth is going crazy right now.

00:16:57.000 It's the establishment.

00:16:57.000 It's the voice of the establishment here in the United States, and we've been fighting against it for a long time, and I hope people are waking up to the fact that it really is an issue.

00:17:04.000 It's not the boy who cried liberal bias.

00:17:06.000 Well, I have some good news for you on that front.

00:17:08.000 I think you're right.

00:17:09.000 I think for a long time it was possible to ordinary, reasonable, relatively apolitical people to laugh at conservatives when they said, you know, as the great Lady Thatcher says, you know, reality has a well-known conservative bias.

00:17:24.000 She said the facts of life are conservative.

00:17:26.000 We know these things to be true.

00:17:28.000 It was possible to laugh at conservatives for a long time for these things.

00:17:31.000 Fandoms like Gamergate are discovering just what happens when you start to buy into the authoritarian establishment view.

00:17:38.000 And what I've seen, whatever your view on various right-wing outlets, whether it's Daily Caller or Breitbart or Fox News or whatever, what I've noticed extraordinarily happening is that You know, there's that thing in the men's rights world, red-pilling. 0.89

00:17:55.000 You know, you sort of take the red pill and suddenly your eyes are open to the realities of the relationships between men and women and how they should both behave and all the rest of it.

00:18:02.000 I've noticed a similar sort of effect in gamers where they suddenly realise, well, actually, wait.

00:18:06.000 I think it was yesterday I saw a tweet.

00:18:08.000 Somebody said, I just watched Fox News and for the first time in my life it's starting to make sense to me.

00:18:13.000 Right.

00:18:14.000 You know, and of course, a lot of them have been coming to Breitbart to read my stuff, and I think there's obviously an inevitable bleed into elsewhere in the site, and they're starting to realise, well, these guys are not what I was always told they were.

00:18:26.000 Now, gamers, of course, are and will remain reflexively left-wing people, I think, as a function of the sorts of person who gets into video games.

00:18:33.000 I don't think there's very much you can do to change that, but what I think is really interesting, and I think, again, one of the reasons Gamergate's so interesting, so important, is that Gamers have had an open mind about this.

00:18:43.000 They've combined a sort of ruthless, meticulous thoroughness in the way they've conducted their letter-writing campaigns with an open-mindedness and a sort of Socratic humility about knowledge and about politics that I haven't seen happen anywhere else.

00:18:57.000 They haven't just thrown themselves into a particular bucket or into a particular tribe, as we all want to do.

00:19:02.000 And they've gone out and found out for themselves what the facts of life and the facts of the situation are and found liberal media desperately and terribly wanting.

00:19:11.000 And, you know, I think it's something that we've all known for quite a long time.

00:19:14.000 I agree with you.

00:19:15.000 And listen, I don't think there's going to be a mass exodus of gamers to Fox News.

00:19:18.000 I think conservatives are just as much to blame for not...

00:19:21.000 Listen, I can tell you this.

00:19:22.000 We have a pretty young demo at ladderwithcrader.com.

00:19:25.000 We'd have a decent demo anywhere else.

00:19:27.000 In the realm of conservative media, we have a demographic that's unheard of. 0.92

00:19:30.000 They might as well be fetuses. 0.87

00:19:32.000 So, or feti.

00:19:33.000 I don't know at that point what you say.

00:19:35.000 No, it would be fetuses. 0.76

00:19:36.000 It would be fetuses. 0.99

00:19:36.000 That's what I thought. 0.99

00:19:37.000 I have an Englishman.

00:19:39.000 We invented the language.

00:19:40.000 Yes, I know.

00:19:41.000 I can tell you these things.

00:19:42.000 Need any other help?

00:19:43.000 So just so you know, it's not octopi, it's octopuses.

00:19:46.000 Any others, you just bring them to me.

00:19:48.000 I got your back.

00:19:49.000 Right. 0.88

00:19:49.000 But that I before E rule, except after C, is complete bullcrap. 0.88

00:19:51.000 It doesn't apply at all.

00:19:52.000 It's a terrible rule.

00:19:53.000 I will say this.

00:19:55.000 Conservatives are equally to blame.

00:19:57.000 And it's not that their message, it's not that the principles are wrong, it's the packaging has been really tough.

00:20:01.000 There's a huge section of this country and I think the world now in a growing way.

00:20:06.000 I mean I have fans now from Australia who never – Germany.

00:20:09.000 Canada.

00:20:10.000 When I lived in Canada, there were far leftists and far leftist separists.

00:20:14.000 We have to go to a break and we'll bring you right back on.

00:20:16.000 Milo, your novel, a Greek name, last name of Gamergate after the break.

00:20:21.000 We are back with Milo before I so rudely cut him off, made a horrible grammatical inaccuracy, and now we've brought him back.

00:20:27.000 You've got the bleached hair going on it.

00:20:29.000 It's kind of, I mean, did you go in and say, give me the Slim Shady or the My Chemical Romance 2005?

00:20:33.000 No, well, no, I don't really know.

00:20:35.000 Oh, I know who Slim Shady is.

00:20:36.000 I don't know who My Chemical Romance is.

00:20:37.000 How dare you?

00:20:39.000 No, I'm just kidding.

00:20:40.000 Music for me is either sort of pre-1900 or like Mariah Carey.

00:20:46.000 That's really all I know. 0.95

00:20:47.000 Okay, you said you were a homo, so now I have to ask. 1.00

00:20:51.000 Is the Mariah Carey, is that the gay team jersey for English people like Celine is for the gay people in Quebec? 0.98

00:20:57.000 Yeah, I mean, it's just signaling, really.

00:21:00.000 I say I like her.

00:21:03.000 I have no idea if I really do.

00:21:06.000 Who knows?

00:21:07.000 I flew to Berlin to buy her last album because it wasn't available in the UK. It cost me $1,200, $1,500 or something because I wanted to be the first person to have the CD, but I'm pretty sure it's just a status thing.

00:21:17.000 I don't know.

00:21:19.000 Is that a joke or did you actually fly to Berlin?

00:21:21.000 No, I did that.

00:21:22.000 Yeah, I got corroded up.

00:21:24.000 Yeah, I really did that.

00:21:25.000 You must have been furious when you saw that video of when they took off her backup band at the Rockefeller Plaza in New York.

00:21:30.000 I don't watch things like that because I can...

00:21:32.000 No, no, no, no.

00:21:33.000 I will not have her sullied in that way.

00:21:35.000 I will not have her... 1.00

00:21:35.000 Okay. 1.00

00:21:36.000 All right.

00:21:39.000 Well, I mean, as a sort of complicated Catholic, it's the closest thing I have to a day or two on Earth.

00:21:45.000 Okay, all right, that's fair.

00:21:46.000 Wind it in, honey.

00:21:49.000 No, as for the hair, well, you know, you guys get Harleys in your 40s.

00:21:54.000 We, expecting to die earlier, get bleached hair in our 30s, so, you know.

00:21:59.000 It's just our version of a midlife crisis.

00:22:01.000 Okay, well, I hate Harleys, and I've gotten a lot of flack for it.

00:22:04.000 As a matter of fact, that was the least conservative thing Reagan ever did, was put tariffs on Japanese bikes, because in the 80s, the Japanese were making great motorcycles, and Harley...

00:22:12.000 No, that's pretty cool.

00:22:13.000 I quite like that.

00:22:14.000 I'm quite into protectionism.

00:22:15.000 Really?

00:22:16.000 Yeah.

00:22:18.000 I'm not like the other people you have on your show.

00:22:21.000 I'm like a pro.

00:22:22.000 Hold on a second.

00:22:23.000 We've had actual terrorists on the show.

00:22:25.000 Then we've also had Dean Cain.

00:22:27.000 We've had Paul just...

00:22:28.000 You've had Dean Cain?

00:22:29.000 We had Superman.

00:22:30.000 I was so excited to discover that he was a Republican because I grew up...

00:22:34.000 You call it Lois and Clark in America.

00:22:36.000 We used to call it the new...

00:22:37.000 In Britain, it's called The New Adventures of Superman.

00:22:39.000 And I grew up watching this show.

00:22:40.000 I grew up watching two things.

00:22:41.000 I grew up watching...

00:22:42.000 Forgive me for this.

00:22:43.000 I grew up watching Star Trek Voyager.

00:22:45.000 Just because that's what was on.

00:22:48.000 No, no, no.

00:22:48.000 You're missing it.

00:22:50.000 I'm a terrible homosexual. 1.00

00:22:51.000 I'm such a failure as a gay man. 0.99

00:22:53.000 I grew up watching Star Trek. 0.93

00:22:54.000 I'm sorry.

00:22:55.000 And the other thing I watched was Lois and Clark.

00:22:57.000 And I found out that he was a sound Republican.

00:23:00.000 I was so happy.

00:23:01.000 Well, you are so fortunate that Fun Dip, our producer, is not on right now because he's Trekkie.

00:23:08.000 Also, we won't let him live it down.

00:23:09.000 He also said that he would sleep with a transsexual man on air, a libertarian who's just a – and he loves all things British.

00:23:15.000 He would do it just for fun. 0.62

00:23:17.000 You'd have to ask him.

00:23:18.000 We'll have you back on and you can have this.

00:23:20.000 Was that a male to female or a female to male?

00:23:22.000 Well, he claims it's no longer a male if it's male to female.

00:23:25.000 Do you know about ceilings?

00:23:27.000 You know like there's a glass ceiling that women can't ascend beyond a certain level in work. 1.00

00:23:33.000 It's called the glass ceiling. 0.99

00:23:33.000 Is there a prosthetic penis ceiling? 0.99

00:23:35.000 Is that where we're going? 0.99

00:23:35.000 No, it's called The Cotton Ceiling, and it describes the inherent transphobia that all cisgendered people have against transsexuals. 0.99

00:23:44.000 It basically is a transgender campaigner's way of saying, if you don't want to have sex with me, you're transphobic. 0.97

00:23:49.000 And it's called The Cotton Ceiling, supposedly because nobody gets past the panties. 0.99

00:23:55.000 Remember, this is dedicated to rest, really.

00:23:57.000 Careful now.

00:23:58.000 Not a particularly pleasant thing, but it's my favorite kind of ceiling.

00:24:04.000 As an English homo, as you put it. 1.00

00:24:06.000 I can't put it that way. 0.95

00:24:07.000 You did. 0.62

00:24:08.000 You're worried about panty, but homo is fine? 1.00

00:24:11.000 I started it. 0.75

00:24:13.000 I had a guy who actually was writing.

00:24:15.000 He's an intern, and he sent me something about homosexual marriage.

00:24:18.000 I said, just say gay marriage. 0.96

00:24:20.000 You're going to walk into a firefight you don't want. 0.98

00:24:22.000 But then you use the word homo out and out, and I guess it's one of those things you can...

00:24:25.000 No, no, I'm fine with it. 0.96

00:24:26.000 In fact, if I wasn't gay, I would be a huge homophobe, so it's really fine. 1.00

00:24:29.000 Well, let me ask you this, though.

00:24:31.000 Where do most gay people in super progressive UK line up?

00:24:34.000 Like, people like you on the transgenderism. 0.84

00:24:37.000 I mean, that's a huge push recently.

00:24:39.000 That's a very recent push.

00:24:41.000 Yes.

00:24:41.000 What's happened with the transgender thing is...

00:24:44.000 Okay, so I'll tell you what my position has been, and I'll tell you where I'm being encouraged to go on this.

00:24:49.000 So my position...

00:24:50.000 So far has been that it is a horrible psychiatric disorder that affects people to be better treated with therapy and drugs rather than surgery.

00:24:59.000 Everyone who has surgery seems to regret it afterwards or the suicide rates don't improve.

00:25:04.000 Well, they don't improve.

00:25:05.000 Some studies say they get worse after the surgery.

00:25:07.000 We're getting to the stage now where we've been doing it for long enough that we know that almost everybody that has the surgery starts to have doubts about it.

00:25:15.000 And if you look at the behavior of some transsexual campaigners and look at the other things they present with when they show up at the doctors, it very often comes as part of a cluster of disorders, including narcissistic personality disorder and bipolar disorder.

00:25:29.000 It looks very much like another one of those personality or identity disorders that ought to be treated with therapy and drugs.

00:25:36.000 We don't cut off the arms of people who wake up one day and say, this arm doesn't belong to me, so we shouldn't warp reality to conform to delusion.

00:25:44.000 We should instead try to help that person reconcile their body with their mind.

00:25:48.000 That's been my position so far.

00:25:50.000 And as a result, I got really irritated and upset with, again, with the media who decided to present what is a medical argument in which the jury is still very much out as the next civil rights struggle.

00:26:04.000 And they did this for a number of reasons.

00:26:05.000 They did this because by associating it with gays and lesbians, it provides a ready-made pathway as to what we should do about it. 1.00

00:26:14.000 Obviously they should be given this, obviously they should be given that.

00:26:16.000 The trouble with transgenderism is actually it has nothing in common with gays and lesbians whatsoever. 0.89

00:26:20.000 It has nothing in common.

00:26:21.000 And the trans lobby needs us to... 0.96

00:26:27.000 Needs to keep it as a disease.

00:26:29.000 Otherwise, there's no justification for state funding for surgery.

00:26:32.000 So it's a very complex and very difficult position for them to be in a very horrible disorder.

00:26:37.000 Where I'm encouraged to move on this is that, in fact, it is possible to be born with the wrong disease.

00:26:44.000 That there are plenty of very high-functioning and perfectly happy people who have this condition.

00:26:52.000 And the interesting thing about it, the thing that obviously appeals to me, it's not the basis on which to make a decision, but obviously something that appeals to me as a...

00:27:00.000 As a right-wing polemicist, is that if you accept, as the left insists that we now do, that you can be born with the wrong gendered brain, that blows out of the water gender as a social construct.

00:27:11.000 And gender as a social construct has been the central linchpin of the majority of left-wing sexual thinking for the last 40 years.

00:27:17.000 If you throw out the idea that gender is a social construct, you throw out the idea that all gender roles are just performative and learned behavior, and you accept gender That somebody can be born with the wrong brain.

00:27:28.000 A man can be born with a woman's brain. 1.00

00:27:31.000 That upsets the apple cart for the left more than I can really explain to you in the confines of this program. 0.99

00:27:37.000 Because what it does, it suggests that all of the wars they've been fighting, all of the sexism stuff they've been talking about, all of the sort of, don't tell me I can't behave like X because I'm a woman, is rubbish.

00:27:46.000 What was the head movement with your impression? 0.62

00:27:49.000 Is that how you think of all...

00:27:50.000 No, I was doing my obnoxious feminist thing.

00:27:53.000 It was like Mariah Carey, kind of. 0.81

00:27:54.000 No, it's like, oh, hell no.

00:27:57.000 Don't be telling me.

00:27:58.000 I don't know.

00:27:59.000 Whatever.

00:28:00.000 That's my obnoxious head movement.

00:28:04.000 What it does is suggest that everything they've been arguing for the last 30 years is total hokum.

00:28:08.000 So the left has got to pick one because you can't hold both of these positions simultaneously.

00:28:11.000 You cannot say there is such a thing as a female brain and at the same time say that all female behavior is learned and is social and therefore we should stop complaining about women who don't want to be feminine and we should say it's okay for men to be metrosexuals and all the rest of it.

00:28:25.000 My view is it isn't.

00:28:27.000 So I'm very tempted by this new position that I'm being encouraged into.

00:28:31.000 That's a very good point.

00:28:32.000 I mean that point blows the wage gap out of the water as they go, well, yes, you're right.

00:28:35.000 It is because women choose different professional positions because they have different priorities. 1.00

00:28:42.000 But that's because of societal construction.

00:28:44.000 And if it's true, if what they tell us about transsexuals, transgender sufferers, is true, if they tell us that there is a female brain and a male brain and there are – the scary specter of biological determinism raises its head again. 1.00

00:28:44.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:28:59.000 It may be simply unanswerable.

00:29:02.000 That women choose – make different career choices and therefore willingly earn less money when you average that out across the whole of society, which is what dissident feminists and right-wing critics have been saying for decades. 1.00

00:29:14.000 Well, let me ask you this to be devil's advocate here.

00:29:17.000 Would you then have to be more open-minded to what is not a hateful conservative view but a view on complementarianism, that inherently a mom can provide something to a family unit – I absolutely believe that.

00:29:36.000 I've always believed that.

00:29:37.000 It's why I don't support gay parenting. 1.00

00:29:39.000 I mean, aside from the gigantic volumes of domestic violence in lesbian relationships, they're all kicking the crap out of each other all day long. 1.00

00:29:46.000 Lesbians? 1.00

00:29:47.000 Yes, yes, yes.

00:29:48.000 Lesbian relationships. 1.00

00:29:49.000 The statistics on lesbian domestic violence are astonishing.

00:29:52.000 I believe that entirely from my anecdotal experiences at Bass Pro.

00:29:58.000 Everybody knows this to be true.

00:29:59.000 Anyone who's ever pretended to enjoy women's football and shown up to a match and seen what they get onto on the pitch. 0.98

00:30:06.000 I mean, anyone who's got a very left-wing friend has to go and pretend to find women's football. 1.00

00:30:10.000 I have to say one thing, though.

00:30:11.000 My wife, gorgeous, tall, blonde. 0.95

00:30:11.000 One thing. 0.95

00:30:14.000 It's what society determines to be beautiful.

00:30:17.000 No, I've always said this.

00:30:19.000 One thing I do find about feminism, and then I'll move on to my point there, is I was talking with my producer about this. 1.00

00:30:24.000 It's going to sound terrible.

00:30:26.000 But feminists have taken something that knows no discrimination, the male physiology. 1.00

00:30:31.000 My Schwanson is a veritable beauty weather stick.

00:30:34.000 You can't trick it.

00:30:35.000 You can't...

00:30:36.000 Beat this lie detector test.

00:30:38.000 It doesn't care your race. 0.79

00:30:39.000 It doesn't care your size.

00:30:41.000 It doesn't care what social class...

00:30:43.000 There are objective standards for beauty for both sexes, you know?

00:30:45.000 Well, that's what I'm saying.

00:30:46.000 The dumpstick doesn't lie.

00:30:48.000 Well, exactly.

00:30:49.000 You could be a member of the KKK and if you watch that Monster's Ball scene with... 0.65

00:30:55.000 Gosh, I just forgot her name.

00:30:56.000 I just forgot her name.

00:30:56.000 Charlize Theron?

00:30:57.000 No, no, she's white! 1.00

00:30:58.000 I'm talking about, um, would have played Catwoman.

00:31:01.000 Oh, Halle Berry.

00:31:02.000 Halle Berry.

00:31:03.000 Yeah, that's racist of me to have forgotten her name.

00:31:05.000 Anyway, I was going to get to the point.

00:31:06.000 My sister, my wife, her sister and her cousins all played hockey.

00:31:10.000 You expect women's hockey players are like, well, there's a type. 1.00

00:31:13.000 They're all just like her.

00:31:14.000 Gorgeous, tall, blonde, feminine, and blue money. 0.96

00:31:16.000 That might be a class thing.

00:31:18.000 It sounds like it's a sort of elite university sport.

00:31:21.000 No, it's not.

00:31:22.000 As a matter of fact, it's not.

00:31:23.000 I'm speculating.

00:31:24.000 You're entirely speculating.

00:31:24.000 I don't know.

00:31:25.000 You're incorrect.

00:31:26.000 Well, I guess hockey isn't very big over there.

00:31:28.000 No, no.

00:31:29.000 I mean, we just associate it with sort of...

00:31:31.000 I mean, we don't have any good sports.

00:31:33.000 I mean, we have soccer, for God's sake.

00:31:34.000 I mean, you know, we invented a couple of decent things, but no, American national sports, by far the best.

00:31:40.000 Thank you so much for saying that.

00:31:41.000 Real football, baseball, basketball, like, I can't get enough of any of them.

00:31:44.000 Not a soccer fan?

00:31:46.000 No, God. 0.99

00:31:48.000 Soccer's for gays. 1.00

00:31:49.000 I mean, the matches go on forever. 0.99

00:31:50.000 This is so boring.

00:31:52.000 The only reason to watch football is to admire the men.

00:31:55.000 And therefore, it mystifies me that the audience is mostly male.

00:31:58.000 Because what are they all doing for 90 minutes?

00:32:00.000 It's so boring.

00:32:01.000 No, no, no, no.

00:32:02.000 I can't deal with any of that.

00:32:03.000 American sports all the way.

00:32:05.000 We have to have you back.

00:32:08.000 And we were going to get letters.

00:32:10.000 We have to have you back and we have to have you debate Fundip because Fundip thinks he's being open-minded in the transsexualism argument.

00:32:18.000 Right.

00:32:19.000 Well, we can talk about the cotton ceiling because I'd be quite keen to – well, I want to know which way around he's happy with.

00:32:25.000 If he's happy with both ways around, that's interesting.

00:32:28.000 One complicating – It's a factoid, which I will tell you before we get off transgender so that your show isn't cancelled. 0.59

00:32:35.000 The good beauty is no one can fire me.

00:32:37.000 I know.

00:32:38.000 Isn't it great?

00:32:39.000 It's wonderful.

00:32:39.000 It's great.

00:32:40.000 Our lives are not so bad, actually.

00:32:42.000 No, interesting, complicating fact here.

00:32:46.000 Do you know where the number two, obviously the number one transgender capital of the world is, of course, Thailand.

00:32:50.000 Do you know where the number two is?

00:32:52.000 Okay, hold on.

00:32:53.000 Let me actually take a step.

00:32:54.000 Take a guess.

00:32:55.000 And it isn't Canada.

00:32:56.000 I know you're going to say it's Canada, but it's not Canada.

00:32:57.000 Okay.

00:32:58.000 First off, is it the United States?

00:33:00.000 Are you talking about a country or a city?

00:33:01.000 A country.

00:33:02.000 Okay, a country. 0.99

00:33:04.000 Transgender capital. 0.74

00:33:06.000 You know what? 0.96

00:33:07.000 I'm just going to go with...

00:33:08.000 You haven't got it already.

00:33:08.000 You're not going to guess.

00:33:09.000 Well, I'm going to go with Norm Macdonald and Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, where they told him it was the not obvious answer.

00:33:13.000 So I'm going to go with the complete non-obvious answer, Iran. 0.95

00:33:17.000 Is it Iran?

00:33:17.000 Yeah, you knew that already.

00:33:19.000 No, is it actually?

00:33:21.000 Yes, it is.

00:33:21.000 No, I swear.

00:33:22.000 I swear to you.

00:33:23.000 I am a Christian.

00:33:24.000 Honestly, I have a Bible right here.

00:33:26.000 I swear on the good Lord.

00:33:28.000 I promise you.

00:33:30.000 I swear to you.

00:33:31.000 I swear.

00:33:33.000 I have at least succeeded in establishing that it was an unlikely choice.

00:33:37.000 Yes, it is.

00:33:37.000 And the reason is that, of course, with the death penalty, the passive, not to get into too much icky detail, but the passive gay partners have sex changes, so they present as women, and So they don't get murdered, so that they're not strung up and hung from cranes.

00:33:52.000 Which suggests to you that there can be some quite...

00:33:55.000 There can be social factors that influence what you would imagine to be quite a big surgical life decision.

00:34:02.000 So it's a very complex issue, and we don't know everything about it.

00:34:05.000 We're told by the establishment media that we do know everything about it.

00:34:09.000 It's a very interesting...

00:34:11.000 It's a very interesting conversation to have that nobody's really allowed to have in the mainstream media.

00:34:14.000 I would love to talk to your producer about it because I'd be interested to, as somebody sort of a junkie on the science of this stuff, I'd be interested to hear what he finds attractive or not and in which direction.

00:34:26.000 Because it's just an endlessly fascinating subject that tells us so much about ourselves and so much about the world around us, so much about human sexuality, yet we're not allowed to have any of those really interesting discussions.

00:34:35.000 We're not allowed to talk about the science.

00:34:36.000 We're not allowed to talk about what this might say about human relationships or society or anything else.

00:34:42.000 Because the left has decided that this, you know, it is a civil rights issue.

00:34:45.000 That is the science.

00:34:46.000 That's what you have to do as a result.

00:34:48.000 And that's the real objection.

00:34:50.000 If I can, you know, if there's anything, if there's any overarching theme in my work, the gamergate stuff, the transgender stuff, it's my primary objection to authoritarian left is that it is profoundly anti-intellectual. 0.99

00:35:03.000 It is profoundly and determinately purposefully stupid. 0.65

00:35:07.000 It does not permit discussion and debate of the most interesting and important things in human life, the most important philosophy, the most important politics, the most important stuff that defines us and that helps us to relate to the world around us. 0.99

00:35:18.000 It will not have those discussions.

00:35:20.000 That's what I hate about it.

00:35:21.000 That's what I think it really robs ordinary people of. 0.99

00:35:25.000 You know, that's what I think is the real objection, aside from any specific stupid argument they make. 0.99

00:35:31.000 It's a very good point. 0.98

00:35:32.000 And it also brings up a point.

00:35:34.000 I've talked about this a lot on air.

00:35:35.000 I try and avoid the whole MP2, you know, that kind of bullcrap.

00:35:39.000 And it's sort of an anti-sensationalist show.

00:35:42.000 And people said this isn't going to play on radio.

00:35:44.000 Lo and behold, the people who approached us about syndication wanted to start controlling guests and stuff.

00:35:49.000 And we said, no, you know, we're just going to run this as a podcast, have a couple stations that carry us, and no one else has any control.

00:35:54.000 But they love the sensationalist story.

00:35:56.000 And they were always going, you know, Obama's evil.

00:35:58.000 Nancy Pelosi's evil. 1.00

00:35:59.000 I said, listen, I don't believe that most people are evil.

00:36:01.000 I think most people generally probably think they're doing good.

00:36:06.000 But we've hit a point here, and you just touched on this. .

00:36:09.000 You're talking about profound stupidity. 1.00

00:36:12.000 I'm getting to the point where I believe there is proactive orchestration and manipulation because when you have Barack Obama get up and he says, you know, women are paid 77 cents on the dollar. 1.00

00:36:22.000 Am I supposed to believe that his advisors don't have Google?

00:36:25.000 I have to disabuse you of this actually and I think that it's even worse than you think.

00:36:30.000 My instinct is always to...

00:36:32.000 To recoil in horror from anything that sounds remotely like a conspiracy theory, which is sort of journalistic instincts I've developed, normally because it is a conspiracy theory.

00:36:42.000 I think that what you're identifying, you've correctly identified a phenomenon, but I think you're reaching for the most obvious cause, which is collusion, which is what Gamergate supposed about games journalists.

00:36:54.000 Why did all these articles come out on the same day saying gamers are dead, attacking them?

00:37:01.000 collusion, although collusion was going on and there was a private list and they were walking in lockstep and there was pressure from one publication to another to remove forum content that did not fit the approved list of discussion topics.

00:37:13.000 But I think it's worse than that.

00:37:15.000 When you have a sort of ossified establishment echo chamber, you don't even need collusion.

00:37:20.000 You don't need people...

00:37:22.000 We have one minute.

00:37:23.000 I don't mean to cut you off.

00:37:24.000 I agree with you.

00:37:26.000 And that's always what I've said.

00:37:27.000 I've said it since September on this show, since this show started.

00:37:29.000 But let me ask you this.

00:37:31.000 Do you honestly think that Barack Obama doesn't know that's a false stat, the 77 cents in the dollar, the wage gap?

00:37:37.000 I believe that he knows that it's false.

00:37:39.000 I believe he says it anyway.

00:37:40.000 And this is one of many reasons why I really detest having left-wing people in government because they're fundamentally dishonest.

00:37:47.000 Okay.

00:37:47.000 But we would agree on that point.

00:37:48.000 He's not that stupid. 1.00

00:37:50.000 No, I don't think he is. 1.00

00:37:51.000 Yeah.

00:37:51.000 And I used to just say, I don't think he's evil.

00:37:53.000 I think he doesn't know better.

00:37:54.000 I believe that it was because he was in an echo chamber.

00:37:56.000 I think it's narrative over fact.

00:37:58.000 Obama says that knowing it's wrong for the same reason that Rolling Stone published the UVA story.

00:38:02.000 Right.

00:38:03.000 The ends justify the means, sir.

00:38:05.000 I had to go Oprah and wrap it up in a cliche.

00:38:08.000 She loves her soundbites. 0.98

00:38:09.000 She's the most evil woman in the world. 1.00

00:38:11.000 Something for another show. 0.95

00:38:14.000 Tyler Perry is going to write you an angry letter.

00:38:17.000 And he's worth more than, I think, the entire gaming industry.

00:38:21.000 Now, where can people best find you, Milo?

00:38:23.000 Twitter's probably the best place.

00:38:24.000 I'm Prolix on social media, so you can find me at Nero.

00:38:28.000 You can always email me, milo.nopolis.net.

00:38:31.000 I love to hear from people.

00:38:32.000 And look out for the book in summer.

00:38:34.000 In the summer.

00:38:34.000 Wow, you are moving along quickly with that.

00:38:36.000 Thank you very much, Milo.

00:38:37.000 We will have to have you back and knock some sense into fun dip. 1.00

00:38:42.000 Thank you so much.

00:38:43.000 Appreciate it.

00:38:44.000 Loud with Crowder.

Louder with Crowder - May 30, 2015

Milo Yiannopoulos Schools Crowder On #GamerGate || Louder With Crowder

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