In the wake of the shooting of a motorist by a police officer in Minneapolis, many have questioned whether or not the officer acted in self-defense, and whether the shooting was justified or if it was an act of "gaslighting" by the police department. In this episode of RUMBLE Live on Rumble, host John Rocha and co-hosts Sarah Abdurrahman and Matt Knost try to answer those questions and more.
00:03:38.000Welcome to the lineup live on Rumble, 9 a.m. to 7 p.m. Eastern.
00:03:45.000Today is one of those concept episodes.
00:03:48.000We're going to devote the entire day to be, I would argue, the most thorough place on the internet in addressing the Minneapolis ice shooting.
00:03:56.000It was breaking live for us yesterday while we were on air.
00:04:01.000And now we've been able to sort of parse through everything.
00:04:16.000It's not potentially attempted manslaughter.
00:04:19.000It's an assassination from an officer.
00:04:22.000You are told that you are in the wrong for wanting the law and order that was forsaken for so many years, resulting in billions of dollars in damages and thousands of casualties.
00:04:38.000And those in Minneapolis, they want to bring us back to that.
00:04:41.000You also understand that this is a really good time for this to push Minnesota out of the news cycle.
00:04:48.000It was kind of a kind of the epicenter during the break.
00:04:54.000The real question is, what kind of a country do you want to live in?
00:05:05.000Do you want more Zarutskas in the world?
00:05:08.000Or do you want a world where even if it's a gray area, someone has to make a judgment call in a very split second?
00:05:15.000And by the way, we'll have breakdowns with graphics, circles, frame rates, pauses.
00:05:20.000We've actually recreated the scenario, kind of like MythBusters, only less gay outside with an SUV so we can go through everything.
00:05:29.000Or do you want a country where a judgment call being made after a long saga of violence may result in someone who is a perpetual protester who is already committing or had committed several felonies is actually the one accountable for their actions.
00:05:49.000None of your answers, by the way, your choices mean that we celebrate death or that it's the ideal.
00:05:57.000But do you want to err on the side of law and order?
00:06:23.000And that's why today, the entire show, every single available angle, every single available claim, and also along with gaslighting, you ever been with someone who moves the goalposts?
00:06:33.000We're going to go through it sequentially today.
00:06:35.000Hey, this guy wasn't hit by, he wasn't hit by the car.
00:07:00.000We need to understand that about the left.
00:07:03.000Take feminism at large, apply it to the left.
00:07:05.000You cannot resolve the issue if you are trying to address the issue and they constantly move the goalposts.
00:07:11.000This whole conversation started off with, well, the officials are saying that this person hit an officer with a car and so he shot in self-defense.
00:08:08.000Josh, why don't you just try True Gold Republic?
00:08:11.000Why don't you give those guys a call or go to lwcgold.com, see if you qualify for one of those no fee-for-life gold IRAs and make it simple.
00:09:51.000And having gone through a lot of debates and doing more recently, you see it's one of the most common tactics used by someone who doesn't have an argument.
00:12:03.000People forcing in, shoving, and holding their guns in a safe position with their finger off the trigger as opposed to approaching with the intent to murder.
00:12:12.000I know it may seem like a small difference, but it's a could you imagine the SS being crowded by a bunch of Jews like, hey, come on, don't flag me!
00:12:36.000We went to great lengths, everyone here, to make sure that this was a very effective installment because I think this could be George Floyd 2.0.
00:12:44.000I think that's what the left wants, you know, but with a white person, because it was never about race.
00:13:38.000So here's just a quick palette, Cletse.
00:13:41.000I don't know if you know this, but you're, of course, racist as a white person if you have preferences as it relates to dating.
00:13:46.000This is the only other thing we're going to cover because it's pretty funny.
00:13:48.000And this is one of those things where, as a man, I understand the disconnect that you're going to experience, but try and stay on track with the logic.
00:13:57.000Here are three white supremacist ideals that most white supremacists are supporting.
00:14:01.000Number one, refusing to date outside of the white race.
00:14:04.000While this seems inherently white supremacist, a lot of people don't realize that that's why they're doing it.
00:14:08.000They're just like, oh, I want to date within the race because they have Shimboar background to me or because I was raised around white people, so I'm attracted to white people.
00:14:15.000And they really don't realize the extent to that white supremacy is playing into their dating ideals.
00:14:18.000Especially given the fact that there are billions of people who don't have white skin in the world.
00:14:22.000They would be attracted to at least a few people, but they won't even consider it because of white supremacy.
00:14:26.000Number two, the way that white people talk about sports, especially black athletes, is very concerning.
00:14:30.000They refer to them as more than human or having these extra insane abilities.
00:14:35.000That always seems like it's coming from a white supremacist.
00:16:14.000Like, if she was playing against Shirapova, and I'll be honest with you, that's the extent of my tennis knowledge because the Williams sisters, very, very good.
00:17:58.000And you certainly shouldn't have preferences that statistically would lead to a higher likelihood of your relationship lasting, namely shared culture, shared values.
00:18:06.000You absolutely should not compliment or notice some innate racial differences as it relates to athletic ability, because that, in fact, is racist.
00:18:15.000And you should not look at crime statistics and avoid cities where there is notably higher crime, especially in the last few years, because that would be racist.
00:18:24.000So what they want you to do is date somebody who you're not interested in, who doesn't share your background, doesn't share your values, avoid giving compliments, but don't be colorblind and move into an area and put your family at risk because this is the tolerant thing to do.
00:18:37.000All the advice that they give you is bad.
00:18:40.000Sorry, I just texted my wife real quick.
00:18:42.000Hey, honey, out of fear of white supremacy, I have to go bang a bunch of black chicks in the city and talk shit about LeBron James.
00:19:57.000Before I get to the clips, because you've likely seen these clips, but we're going to actually provide all of them to you in a quadrant view.
00:20:02.000Here's what we know: 37-year-old Renee Nicole Goode was shot, killed by an ICE agent in Minneapolis.
00:22:08.000Also, just for a second, I can get that you don't like it.
00:22:12.000I can get that you think it's a bad shoot, but shocked?
00:22:15.000Shocked that someone who just hit an officer violently, who, by the way, was in the middle of committing, I've counted at least three crimes.
00:23:53.000And that's very important because I want you to, with that context, understand that the left and the city of Minneapolis thinks and wants you to believe that this situation warrants George Floyd 2.0 and the fallout therein.
00:24:07.000Here they are making the case out loud.
00:24:11.000They are already trying to spin this as an action of self-defense.
00:24:17.000Having seen the video of myself, I want to tell everybody directly that is bullshit.
00:24:25.000This was an agent recklessly using power that resulted in somebody dying.
00:24:32.000There's nothing more important than Minnesotan safety.
00:24:34.000I've issued a warning order to prepare the Minnesota National Guard.
00:24:37.000And these National Guard troops are our National Guard troops.
00:26:54.000Long-term Minneapolis residents that have contributed so greatly to our city, to our culture, to our economy are being terrorized, and now somebody is dead.
00:27:04.000Oh, you mean the voting blocks that you bought?
00:27:07.000Okay, so I want to go through these claims sequentially so that you remember where this argument started and how many times the goalposts have been moved.
00:27:36.000At that point in time, the argument was our officials, they'd released a statement saying someone used their car as a weapon, hit an officer, and he acted in self-defense.
00:28:07.000Meaning that the use of the deadly force did not change the trajectory of the car, did not help the situation at all, and though it may have been justified under the law, absolutely unnecessary.
00:28:19.000And of course, that was all over X and social like a cancer yesterday.
00:31:08.000The truth is, obviously, she should know.
00:31:11.000I can't tell you that she meant to hit him 100%, but she should know that hitting the accelerator and rocketing out of there in the path where there are the only path actually where there are people right in her proximity could result in someone being hit.
00:31:27.000But it doesn't matter because then goalpost move again.
00:31:50.000So the ICE officer, right, that's not, that can't be considered, he didn't act in self-defense.
00:31:57.000They are already trying to spin this as an action of self-defense.
00:32:03.000Having seen the video of myself, I want to tell everybody directly, that is bullshit.
00:32:11.000This was an agent recklessly using power that resulted in somebody dying.
00:32:18.000It's interesting that he uses the word reckless because that brings us to the truth.
00:32:23.000Of course, he acted in self-defense because at that moment in time, she'd already committed multiple crimes, including reckless driving, including failure to obey a peace officer, including fleeing a peace officer, obstructing traffic.
00:32:37.000You could argue stalking because she continued to follow them from what we know.
00:32:41.000Assault with a dangerous weapon that occurred after assault on a federal officer.
00:32:44.000Now you could add attempted murder of a federal officer, potentially domestic terrorism.
00:32:48.000But at least at that moment in time when he drew his weapon, she'd already committed three serious crimes at minimum and was potentially going to commit fourth, fifth, sixth.
00:32:57.000He didn't know, just heard the roar of the engine and saw the spin of the tires from a lady who had been obstructing traffic and screaming at ice all day.
00:33:07.000Here's kind of a supplement that they've made to their claim here, made another claim that they've made.
00:33:12.000And I told this man, author Don Winslow, that I would address him by name because he's such a piece of shit.
00:36:45.000And the reason that matters is because it changes your peripheral vision.
00:36:48.000So you couldn't see it with a wide angle lens compared to the human eye, let alone adrenaline and potential focusing as trained on that front sight.
00:37:00.000Let me show you what that actually looks like and how it affects your vision.
00:38:04.000This was, well, at the end of it, this was just a woman trying to escape and leave the situation, according to this eyewitness who slightly resembles the handmaid's tale who you wouldn't enslave.
00:38:16.000They didn't really know what they were doing.
00:38:18.000They were screaming at her to move, move, move.
00:38:21.000And then they approached her vehicle aggressively and grabbed, tried to open her door.
00:38:26.000And then that's when she got spooked and she refused to turn her wheels to try to escape.
00:38:34.000And that's when an ICE agent stepped in front of her vehicle and said, stop.
00:38:38.000And then, I mean, she was already moving.
00:38:40.000And then point blank shot her through her windshield.
00:38:44.000Yeah, so she was wrong place, wrong time.
00:38:46.000This was her first encounter with an ICE officer.
00:38:49.000Thank God I stayed up late watching CNN with very little sleep because here's the truth.
00:38:55.000Straight from the horse face's mouth, same person, she was there impeding the officers and very likely as a deliberate agitator.
00:40:03.000We'll get to remember during the Summer of Love, ambulances and fire trucks not being able to save people because the cops who clear the way were blocked.
00:40:37.000Now, here's someone else, a woman claiming to, as far as we know right now, to be the lady in question, the lady in question, Good, Good's wife.
00:40:47.000Here she is on video saying that the wife, I made her come down here, and it's my fault.
00:43:03.000In combination with what you just saw from the eyewitness, when she didn't realize that it would be nationally broadcast, she was there all day impeding, leading the protests, impeding the officers.
00:43:15.000Combine that with Noam saying, so we're going on her information.
00:43:19.000I know he said she said, but this also includes witnesses.
00:43:22.000This lady, Good, Mrs. Good, was stalking and impeding ICE all day.
00:43:28.000ICE officers and agents approached the vehicle of the individual in question who was blocking the officers in with her vehicle.
00:43:35.000And she had been stalking and impeding their work all throughout the day.
00:43:40.000So here's the point where we get to some of the context.
00:43:45.000You now have all the facts that are available.
00:43:47.000If she was leading the protests and impeding ICE all day, and we've seen how violent those protests and those professional agitators can be.
00:43:56.000That changes the context of the approach.
00:43:58.000If you actually are just some random person who skid on the ice and you find yourself perfectly perpendicular in the road and the officer said, hey, hey, you have to get out.
00:44:15.000The difference is, and she had been there the entire day and she pulled up and she's right there blocking them from where they need to go going, no, no, no, go around me.
00:44:23.000The officer's probably going, not this shit again.
00:46:08.000If this guy was run over and never walked again, and you are literally a split second away from that, just to be clear, this is not some reach.
00:46:18.000How many protests do you think there would be?
00:46:58.000I bet if that officer had been dragged by the car, you'd see Mayor Jacob Fry come out and go, hey, look, ICE, this is going to keep happening if you guys don't leave.
00:49:01.000By the way, best way to stay in touch, because I don't know if this will be removed from social media because they apply the rules selectively, right?
00:49:07.000Well, you guys can run the footage, but you know what?
00:49:15.000That's also, by the way, the place from which we pulled all these different angles because some of them were being removed on social and they were kind of hard to find.
00:49:23.000So yeah, no, that happens all the time.
00:49:27.000Potentially, this guy was in a similar situation or was attacked.
00:49:30.000We're trying to find more information, but Christine Noam actually said six months ago this same officer or this same agent, whichever title is correct here, was in a similar situation.
00:49:39.000And Elon Musk actually put this out on X as well, but I think we have a montage of her saying this.
00:49:45.000The very same officer who was attacked today had previously been dragged by an anti-ICE rioter who had rammed him with a car and drug him back in June.
00:49:54.000He sustained injuries at that time as well.
00:49:57.000Tuesday morning, agents pulled him over.
00:50:10.000Documents say he repeatedly refused to comply before a federal agent took out his spring-loaded window punch with his right hand and broke the driver's side rear window.
00:50:20.000These images show the officer's hand in the vehicle.
00:50:23.000In this video, you can see the driver take off with the agent hanging from the car, dragging him 300 feet through front yards.
00:50:31.000These graphic images show the aftermath.
00:50:33.000A bloody agent who needed 33 stitches for his significant cuts.
00:50:38.000Yeah, now this is Christy Noam saying that this was the same officer.
00:50:40.000I don't know that there's been any, you know, independent, like to make sure.
00:50:44.000So we just want to say this is what she's saying.
00:50:46.000That would make like, even if that didn't happen, but you have to take into account, like, these officers are trained for this.
00:50:51.000If you're in front of a car and it hits the gas, it's a split second.
00:50:55.000That other officer we saw got run over from a parked car, same angle, same everything, got one shot off.
00:51:00.000Luckily, this guy stepped to the right as he was getting hit.
00:51:03.000Well, let me and have the gold post move thing ready.
00:51:27.000And they clarified and said, now with children, we do broaden that because children don't have the same understanding of the world.
00:51:32.000It just needs to, it just requires that they believe it.
00:51:36.000So that's why you can develop some phobias, for example.
00:51:39.000Like a child could think they, you know, they were fearing for their life when a spider crawled on them because as far as they know, that's a bullet, right?
00:52:16.000I can tell you at least, I could point you to at least half a dozen examples and change my minds of people saying they had PTSD due to situations that would never warrant actual PTSD.
00:53:07.000Where's the grace for someone with 30-something stitches, assuming it's true?
00:53:09.000Where's the grace for someone who was dragged behind a vehicle and then watched someone commit the same misdeeds leading up to the final great misdeed that very day?
00:53:22.000Do you think that officer may have something closer to resembling PTSD than the woman who had a Z on Sari do a glorified claw in her mouth in his hotel room?
00:53:34.000That was a deep poll, but you guys understand.
00:53:39.000They always move the goalposts and they don't apply the standards equally.
00:53:42.000If people move goalposts and don't apply standards equally, they are not arguing in good faith and they have no interest in a resolution.
00:53:51.000Even in your real life, if someone does and then apologizes, the person needs to, the only way that you can ever have hope with a person, a group, is if there's complete accountability.
00:54:18.000Unless you hear that and see that acted out, you are committing a misdeed by ever trusting the left again.
00:54:31.000I hope I've been very clear about that because now let's go to some more context.
00:54:37.000The similarities of Black Lives Matter, Antifa, all the riots, the billions of dollars in damages, the thousands of casualties that went on, the changes in our criminal laws, and yes, many scenarios in which those protesters, those rioters, did what?
00:55:54.000There were 19 attacks in 2024, 238 attacks on ICE agents in 2025.
00:56:00.000And you have to understand that that would be, that's not like, you go, that's not that much.
00:56:02.000Well, if you were applying that as far as assaults or battery to the population at large, there aren't that many ICE agents, and there aren't that many instances where there would be interactions.
00:56:11.000This is a very, very high percentage of interactions.
00:56:16.000There is a good likelihood that if you are an ICE agent at some point in time, you are going to be attacked violently and you have to be ready for it.
00:56:23.000It doesn't just affect, it doesn't just affect officers.
00:56:26.000Do you remember at the other protests, emergency vehicles were blocked and as a result, people didn't get the medical care that they needed, by the way?
00:56:33.000We'll never actually have the death toll for that because it's not exactly quantified.
00:56:55.000Why is your virtue signaling more important than potentially a child who needs blood transfusion?
00:57:05.000It could be someone who needs an EpiPen.
00:57:09.000It could be someone who needs Narcan, right?
00:57:11.000That would be something you'd be sympathetic to because you want people to do drugs completely unfettered and have ATM machines for Narcan.
00:57:35.000Well, the good news is we're not asking to take your money by force.
00:57:39.000We're just asking that you moderately inconvenience yourself and create a space so that a potentially life-saving ambulance could actually help someone.
00:57:57.000I believe it was in Seattle or Chas or CHOP, wherever that ended up being.
00:58:01.000We were talking about that covering it saying, if you had a house on fire and they were blocking a fire truck, like as a parent and your family's in the house, what would you do?
00:58:25.000We have to go and make that clarification because it happens so often, we're not exactly sure if that's the agent being dragged or if it's another one of the agents being dragged or hit by a car.
00:59:07.000We're not going to let you move the goalposts, but I'm just doing this so that everybody is prepared for the bullshit that you try and spew.
00:59:12.000Speaking of bullshit, it's almost like this was very predictable, the increase in violence.
00:59:18.000It's almost like this was predictable, more riots or protests, because I don't know if you know this, but the Democrats have been kind of in the habit of comparing not just you to Nazis, but ICE specifically to the SS and Gestnapo.
00:59:33.000How are we going to handle immigration?
00:59:35.000We all hate what Trump is doing with ICE and these masked people running around like the Gestapo.
00:59:41.000But what is Democrats' immigration policy?
00:59:43.000How are we going to take on the challenges of the future?
00:59:49.000Like we brought up earlier, the side-by-side, here's the difference.
00:59:51.000A gun aimed down in a safe direction with finger off the trigger while you are already being violently assaulted versus showing up to shoot people.
01:00:00.000I know it seems like a mundane detail, but it's not.
01:00:28.000And the left wants you to think that you're at risk.
01:00:31.000This is just somebody, wrong place, wrong time, trying to escape in the Gestapo.
01:00:36.000And the truth is, based on all of the information that we have available, this is the only death of any American citizen.
01:00:42.000For you to be at risk, you would have to drive to a designated area, lead a protest, impede and or obstruct officers all day long, and then hit one at full throttle to be at risk.
01:01:50.000Zarutska didn't choose catch and release.
01:01:52.000Zarutska didn't make the decision to enact cash bail.
01:01:55.000Zarutska didn't make the decision to put this guy on public transit despite clearly being mentally un of those which led to her senseless murder were her decisions.
01:02:14.000She did choose to obstruct federal officers from doing the job that they have been granted the authority to do in the form of a national election.
01:02:25.000One is dealing with the consequences of others' bad decisions, the decisions of the left.
01:02:31.000The other is dealing with the consequences of your own bad decisions.
01:02:35.000It doesn't mean that it should always result in death or that that's a good outcome, but it's a very possible one when you're pressing it.
01:02:43.000So I don't consider them the same level of tragedy.
01:02:45.000You guys can comment if you think that's cold.
01:02:47.000I would prefer if Renee Good still alive today.
01:02:50.000Yeah, I would have preferred if she had peacefully protested and yelled all of her obscenities and then went home.
01:03:03.000And God forbid, if you came home one day and you found out that your child was dead and you found out that your child had been killed because of some mugger who had been released 15 times, shot him or her in cold blood.
01:03:21.000I assume, right, you'd probably really, really mad at the mugger, the criminal, you'd probably be really mad at the system.
01:04:16.000Then recently, as far as we know, started a relationship with a woman, went the other way, studied creative writing at Old Dominion University.
01:04:26.000And according to her former brother-in-law, she was a notable, outspoken liberal.
01:04:33.000But then you have people like her mother who the news will bring on, right, as though they are authoritative, saying she would never take part in any type of an ICE protest.
01:04:54.000But is it only true to people who share her ideology?
01:04:57.000Because we've seen people, especially during COVID, right, who were seemingly nice, and then they were borderline sociopathic in how much they reviled you, for example, for not believing in lockdowns, for not taking a vaccine.
01:05:12.000We've talked about this, dehumanizing, othering people.
01:05:16.000I would think that comparing people to Nazis, comparing people to the Gestapo would count.
01:05:22.000In other words, I think you could probably find an example of an allied troop in World War II, very kind, very charitable, very compassionate person who wouldn't actually avail that compassion to a member of the Gestapo should he capture them.
01:05:43.000These people believe that you support the Gestapo.
01:05:45.000These people believe that you're Nazis.
01:06:09.000You wouldn't extend that to a murderer of your wife or husband or children.
01:06:15.000And that doesn't erase any of your good qualities.
01:06:17.000It means that you're a reasonable person.
01:06:21.000The key detail here is you have almost half the country who have been convinced that you should be treated like said murderer.
01:06:29.000Otherwise, why would they go out and run someone over?
01:06:35.000And the real question here is: what kind of a country do you want to live in?
01:06:37.000That's really what we've seen the results.
01:06:41.000We could have a country, like we did, after George Floyd, which was, by the way, big lie thrust upon the American people.
01:06:52.000Let's call it a great, let's call it a gray area.
01:06:55.000There were some bad decisions at different points in time.
01:06:59.000But that situation was a serial felon, violent felon, who disobeyed orders from authorities who were very kind with him leading up to that, if you watch the full footage.
01:07:11.000Put in an air-conditioned vehicle with the windows opened.
01:07:15.000I believe the windows were opened, kind of closed, and the air was turned on several times until he requested to get out of the car.
01:07:20.000At a certain point in time, as the situation escalated, you could argue, your strongest argument, the only one that I would accept, would be that there was a lapse in judgment in that moment in time when he was on the ground.
01:07:33.000But I will not accept the premise that people went out hunting black people.
01:07:37.000Okay, so you could live in a world where that happens, and cities are burned down, and people are shot in the streets, and the police officers withdraw, and you are actually charged if you protect your own property.
01:07:51.000And David Dorn, an off-duty black officer, shot dead in the streets trying to stop the looting of a friend's store, and no one gave a shit aside from you.
01:08:00.000Thank you again for donating to the family's cause.
01:08:02.000You could go through that, or you can live in a country.
01:08:07.000And we're at a moment right now where, hey, let's just agree to say there's some gray here.
01:08:16.000And we err on the side of a guy who was hit by a vehicle by a perpetual protester who was in the middle of committing three felonies and had to make a literal split-second decision.
01:08:29.000And we err in the side of law and order.
01:08:32.000You do have, it is kind of a binary choice.
01:08:35.000And it's a binary choice because of the rhetoric coming from the left, because of the mayor in Minneapolis, because of the governor of Minnesota.
01:08:43.000And by the way, they really want to thrust that upon you because they really want to get their billions of dollars in fraud out of the news.
01:08:52.000What kind of country do you want to live in?
01:08:55.000This is not, do you think this was a perfect shoot?
01:08:59.000Because there will always be, when you have laws, there will always be gray areas.
01:09:12.000Do we believe that we should live in a country where people should be able to consistently, repeatedly impede officers, whether federal or police officers, throw rocks at their car, assault, if mildly, people in the streets, take over city blocks, give them space to destroy.
01:09:34.000Do we believe that should be the jumping off point and the expectation should be on the victim to be perfect?
01:09:40.000Or do we believe that the jumping off point should be, you're all adults.
01:09:45.000You guys need to fucking act like adults.
01:10:23.000You can look at all of their policies on crime.
01:10:27.000As a conservative, as an America first, whatever you want to call it, I believe that we need to err in the side of law and order or we won't have liberty.