Rand Paul joins Betsy and Amanda to talk about Roe v. Wade, vaccines, and more. Plus, Snopes debunks the long-accepted theory that vaccines are safe to use in pregnancy. Guests: Dr. Anthony Fauci, former Supreme Court Justice, and Dr. Betsy Frieden. Thanks to caller Noelle.
00:03:23.000We're going to be talking about Roe v. Wade today.
00:03:24.000There may be an announcement from Biden, former Vice President Biden, about new restrictions on COVID, so it'll be great to speak about that with, I was about to say Dr. Fauci, with Rand Paul.
00:04:51.000But we don't set those same standards as it relates to abortion, and that means even if you have a line that is different than mine, you need to identify what happens when you cross that line.
00:05:01.000It is Beholden to the left needs to be clear about what that line is and what changes.
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00:12:01.000I'm just, I am, look, Roe v. Wade is one of those things that gets me really pissed, so at some point I'm just going to get onto it and we're going to let it rip, because it's just one of those things that you see people outside of the Capitol protesting, they have no idea.
00:12:14.000They have no idea what it means, they have no idea what the case law is, and they have no idea as to what actually constitutes viability, and we'll get into that.
00:12:22.000But before that, this beautiful and brave person is going to educate us on LGBTQAAIP+, I don't want to get fact-checked, So you know how gay is non-women loving non-women and lesbian is non-men loving non-men?
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00:14:48.000You guys, at least yesterday, gotta win.
00:14:50.000So take that W. Speaking of all the horrible things, Christmas is going to be ruined right now.
00:15:27.000All right, so Black Lives Matter is urging black people right now, this is the Black Lives Matter, their national account on Instagram, they have like four million followers I believe, to boycott white businesses.
00:15:42.000Oh, really during christmas. It's officially black christmas.
00:15:47.000That was a horror film. Oh, that's right Oh, yeah, christ
00:15:51.000Write the word christ. Yeah x means christ I don't think they knew that and it says time to build
00:15:56.000black support black-led serving organizations hashtag buy black
00:15:59.000Skip the black friday sales and buy exclusively from black-owned businesses
00:16:03.000Hashtag black uh bank black move your money out of white corporate banks that finance our oppression and open
00:19:44.000I don't care, but this is the most blatant example of cultural appropriation that I can think of.
00:19:51.000Wearing a sombrero, Taco Tuesday, that you brought, that you purchased from a Mexican, is not cultural appropriation.
00:19:57.000Taking a historical figure who has been an important, arguably one of the most important, cultural icons of Western civilization and changing the race is cultural appropriation.
00:20:57.000Now, the Netherlands changed, and he did adapt throughout time to Santa Claus.
00:21:01.000I don't know how they pronounce it, but the tale spread to the New World, where Washington Irving, he portrayed St.
00:21:06.000Nicholas as like this portly Dutchman who would fly these skies in a wagon.
00:21:11.000And sure, they added reindeer, and they changed it a little bit with the Coca-Cola, but you know what?
00:21:15.000Hey, that's also a part of American culture.
00:21:17.000But again, just like boycotting white businesses from Black Lives Matter, and now saying we need a black Santa Claus, first off, this is not in the spirit of Christmas.
00:21:26.000And Santa Claus, here's the beauty of Santa Claus.
00:21:46.000Santa Claus, and I know a lot of Christians would get mad with the Santa thing because they would think that it would conflate Santa and Jesus.
00:21:56.000Santa Claus is a jolly man who gives completely selflessly with no expectation of anything in return other than your behavior to your fellow man.
00:22:25.000Look, if Santa was black from the beginning, the same people that said that Santa should be black now would be canceling him and say you can't celebrate Christmas with black Santa.
00:22:34.000Because they get rid of Uncle Ben, Aunt Jemima.
00:25:23.000And now when kids are being reminded of race at every single turn, and of course you're telling young white kids that they need to check their privilege, and you're telling them that Santa Claus is no longer a thing, and we need to make sure that... Guess what happens?
00:25:35.000You create this paranoia of racial differences where there don't need to be any.
00:25:42.000And I'm really worried that you're going to create a generation of more racists than any that have existed since pre-civil rights.
00:25:57.000Kind of like you see young, you see young men now statistically don't want to date because they're afraid of being accused.
00:26:04.000I bet you're seeing some young kids saying, I just, I don't want to step on a landmine.
00:26:08.000And so they just avoid, some kids avoid having black friends.
00:26:11.000Black friends probably avoid having, we shouldn't have that.
00:26:14.000We shouldn't have a world where people are so afraid to reach across the aisle and acknowledge differences, but that not all differences matter all that much.
00:26:56.000I'm really working at trying to... Prancer has a spinner.
00:27:02.000By the way, actually, we have, if I'm not mistaken, we actually have, I believe, here, right now on the show, before Fauci, we have the first ever, I believe, on the line, do we, Court of Black Curse?
00:31:33.000And this right now, the Supreme Court case that's going on, they're hearing and people are concerned that Roe v. Wade is going to be overturned, that women are going to lose all their rights, that it's going to be Handmaid's Tale, and leftists on, I guess, mainstream media outlets.
00:31:48.000So when we say mainstream, I mean, you know, okay, in the loosest sense of the word, no one watches them.
00:31:53.000They're mainstream if you mean someone stuck in a layover in Charleston.
00:31:59.000Then the viewership is, the Nielsen rating is off the charts, but let's look at some of the reactions.
00:32:05.000I would note that the president believes, since you gave me the opportunity, that the Mississippi law blatantly violates women's constitutional rights to safe and legal abortions.
00:32:13.000This case presents a grave threat to women's fundamental rights.
00:32:17.000Extreme Republicans have attacked abortion rights from every angle.
00:32:22.000And they are continuing their non-stop efforts to build a country where patients are forced to remain pregnant and carry their pregnancies to term against their will.
00:32:33.000We have to pass that each act and repeal, hide, ensuring that everyone has access to healthcare.
00:32:40.000Yul Brynner's not supposed to wear the Technicolor Dreamcoat.
00:37:56.000He's trying to do circa 2009 YouTube videos, but doing it in a professional studio.
00:38:02.000The media just doesn't know how to catch up.
00:38:03.000They know about As much as it relates to catching up in the new media landscape, as they do about abortion and Roe v. Wade and why it's bad law.
00:38:14.000But let's watch Trevor Noah for a bit, and I'll just tell you when to pause it, Tocanalan.
00:39:07.000A lot of the other issues fall under the umbrella of taxation, when you're really talking about schools, when you're talking about healthcare.
00:39:14.000For me, my own healthcare decisions, as it relates to getting a flu shot, as it relates to getting surgery, as it relates to my HSA, my relationship with my doctor, I am not affecting somebody else.
00:39:24.000And by the way, if the government paid for all healthcare, well, empirically we know that it wouldn't, but their argument is, it might make other people more safe.
00:39:35.000Climate change, me driving a car, myself picking my own car, picking the fuel for my car, picking how my house is heated, does not affect somebody else.
00:39:45.000Now you may want to argue that if climate change is a thing and it's man-made and the Green New Deal were followed to a tee, it might help others.
00:39:52.000With abortion, it's very clear that it's not my body, if I'm a woman.
00:41:06.000No conservative ever said, only when it's out of the vagina.
00:41:12.000That's how you support abortion up to and including nine months.
00:41:16.000This happens in states where the left has complete control of the legislature.
00:41:20.000Just to be clear, and don't you love how the left, when they're framing abortion, they always address the blessing, the gift of being with child as nothing more than a burden?
00:42:53.000Premies are being born earlier and earlier due to different technology.
00:42:55.000By the way, a baby who is premature at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York has a higher survival rate with all of the newest technology and medical treatments available to a baby born in the hills of West Virginia.
00:43:24.000Yeah, but, and one of the things too, we, just because we said, okay, okay, okay, look, you guys, you're crazy, but can't we all just agree that if a baby can survive outside of the womb, that that's a life?
00:43:36.000We weren't saying that that was the line.
00:43:38.000We're saying that that is the least that we can all agree on and understand is absolutely a life, right?
00:45:24.000I bet you probably all think, probably not Gerald, but a lot of you watching, you probably thought Roe v. Wade was about the right to abortion.
00:45:34.000You probably thought it was about the right to, sorry, women's health, pink tax and shit.
00:47:58.000So it went to a federal level, and the push was effectively removing the rights, the autonomy of the states to have their own restrictions on abortion.
00:49:51.000So in context, yes she had a problem with Roe v. Wade for the same reasons that I have a problem with Roe v. Wade for the same reasons That conservatives have a problem with Roe v. Wade.
00:49:59.000You can have a problem with Roe v. Wade and still be pro-abortion to some degree.
00:50:03.000You can have a problem with Roe v. Wade and believe that life begins at fertilization.
00:50:41.000Instead of referencing trimesters, this—and by the way, all references are available at lateralcredit.com—it prohibits pro-life legislation before viability.
00:50:49.000So we've gotten out of the trimester framework.
00:51:41.000I don't know, and if you're a lawyer, and I'll talk with my half-patient lawyer, Bill Richman, after this.
00:51:46.000I don't know of any other law that exists this way where it says, okay, you cannot, right, Casey versus Planned Parenthood, the law states you cannot regulate abortion at all pre-viability, right?
00:52:02.000So they're creating a line saying you can't because pre-viability, right, that's not a life.
00:52:13.000If you're saying that pre-viability is inconsequential, there's really nothing determined as far as when the baby is viable, because it's a touchy subject, because you don't want to say, well, yes, it's a viable baby that could live outside of the womb, and by the way, we're going to abort it anyway.
00:52:28.000Ralph Northam had to deal with those consequences, along with being Mr. Blackface.
00:52:32.000Here's the issue, if you go into a story, or a law-abiding citizen, we say, that's fine, the line is, when you Commit a crime.
00:54:36.000But then no answers for after it, whereas conservatives have to have an answer for all of it, including the .05% of abortions that are extreme examples.
00:54:44.000Okay, speaking of a medical topic right now, we have a doctor on the line.
00:55:28.000Yeah, I love that he just makes Fauci nervous and can't answer questions.
00:55:33.000So let's just go right here where he was, Rand Paul, recently he blasted Fauci, use that term appropriately, on Fox and Friends about Fauci claiming to be the science.
00:55:44.000This is a very, very dangerous sort of idea.
00:55:47.000The idea that a government bureaucrat represents science and that he is now untouchable.
00:55:52.000Over 100 million Americans have had COVID.
00:56:36.000Let me just ask you this right off the bat, because you happen to be the person who's in the line of fire when Fauci makes the stupidest comments.
00:56:48.000Why do you think he has such confidence that he is quote-unquote the science?
00:56:55.000You know, I think it goes along with the personality.
00:57:21.000And so I guess I'm not surprised by it, but the thing is, I think the arrogance, he doesn't realize the arrogance of saying he is the science, and also the irony that if he is the science and he is the government and the government determines what is the correct science, that it really is akin to the medieval church deciding what is and what isn't true.
00:57:41.000Yeah, well, when he claimed that he was the science, you just saw kids drop out of the STEM fields in record numbers.
00:57:48.000Let me ask you this, because, you know, the Omicron variant, people are talking about this right now, and I was talking about this as it was happening live while we were on air, and they were saying, will the vaccine work with the Omicron variant?
00:58:28.000Well, does it evade the vaccine completely?
00:58:30.000If it is, the booster would be a waste of time.
00:58:33.000So we need to know, is it more or less deadly?
00:58:35.000If it's more deadly, I think the best thing government can do is get out of the way of the development of a new vaccine or new monoclonal antibodies.
00:58:42.000But even that's premature because we don't yet know whether it's more or less deadly than what we've already got.
00:58:47.000Well, this whole booster confusion could have been started by Fauci wanted to ride in the back of an Explorer and needed a seat.
00:58:57.000And then everyone said, oh, we need boosters every six months!
00:58:59.000And he had to go along with it to save face.
00:59:01.000Do you think there's a financial incentive?
00:59:04.000Look, I don't want to be conspiratorial, but people obviously look at the stock prices of Moderna.
00:59:10.000These are issues that have been brought up.
00:59:11.000Do you think there is a financial incentive, at least as it relates to the legislation for COVID vaccines?
00:59:17.000I think the question at least should be asked.
00:59:20.000I mean, for example, the government bought all the vaccines, the government bought all the monoclonal antibodies.
00:59:25.000Since the government now owns it, do they feel somehow compelled to use it up before we get any new stuff, even if it's not working very well?
00:59:32.000I think that question ought to be asked.
00:59:34.000The Delta variant vaccine, we have had for At least four or five months now.
00:59:40.000It's been in phase one, two, three trials.
01:00:00.000Right, so the vaccine that we have now was developed a year and a half ago and it was related to the wild type, the first type of virus we got.
01:00:09.000The virus mutated and last summer the Delta variant took over.
01:00:13.000So almost all the infections in the United States and around the world are the Delta variant.
01:00:17.000The old vaccine really probably provides you some protection from hospitalization and death, but it's not stopping the transmission of this, and it's imperfect.
01:00:26.000I mean, I think it's still better than nothing, particularly if you're in a high-risk category, it's better than nothing.
01:00:31.000But the vaccine has evaded, the virus has evaded the vaccine.
01:00:36.000So they can sequence these viruses, like this Omicron, they've sequenced it within days.
01:00:42.000That means they could be developing a vaccine next week.
01:00:45.000And they're all saying, oh, it'll take too long.
01:02:24.000You know, it's more like it's about 60% or 70% with the Delta variant.
01:02:28.000My guess is that if you had a specific vaccine for the Delta variant, you'd go back up closer to the 90% again.
01:02:34.000And probably rotating in new vaccines periodically like we do for the flu would probably be a good idea.
01:02:39.000But isn't it amazing that all of the prognosticators across all of the different realms of the news media, nobody's asking why we don't have the Delta variant vaccine and why we didn't use it.
01:02:49.000And that question then comes is, are they worried about getting rid of all the inventory of the vaccine they already bought?
01:02:56.000Is that their concern versus going to something that would be more effective?
01:02:59.000Well, but they were telling people proactively that it was effective.
01:03:02.000And actually with the Delta variant, you know, Mayo did a study with, and I'm familiar with Mayo because they just had titanium rods put in.
01:03:09.000If Mayo says something, I typically give them a lot of credence.
01:04:31.000You know, I think one of the things that's important about all of the vaccination hysteria and the hysteria over this is that they're conditioning you for submission.
01:04:39.000It isn't so much about the science or saving your life or anything.
01:04:42.000It's conditioning you about submission.
01:04:45.000So, for example, the idea that we should mandate the vaccine on children is based on an ignorance or an ignoring of the natural immunity of a hundred million people.
01:05:46.000Because we may eventually get beyond this, but they're going to want to tell you to do something else in your health care when they're done telling you to get the COVID vaccine.
01:05:54.000Hey, Senator Rand Paul, I just want to ask you, do you remember when Fauci mocked you for talking about herd immunity?
01:06:01.000Yeah, I don't know if you remember that.
01:07:04.000Well, everybody else has been going up and doing all this.
01:07:06.000New York hasn't really suffered an increase in death rate because they had such an enormous death rate at the beginning, but they also got their herd immunity at that time as well.
01:07:15.000But they did see a spike in cases, which is why it's interesting as far as we're talking about the Delta vaccine not being very effective against transmission.
01:07:24.000You see that in a lot of states where they reached a very high level of vaccinations, as well as countries with very high level of vaccinations, they did see a spike in case rates.
01:07:34.000But you actually don't see that same acute spike in some places where they didn't necessarily have mandates or the same rates.
01:07:40.000The point is, you can't make an argument, what I'm saying is I'm not making an argument one way or the other, but one can certainly not make the argument that reaching a threshold of this vaccine lowered case rates, and that to me is concerning.
01:07:54.000And the other mistake with ignoring natural immunity is that since it's so potent and probably better than vaccinated, if we want to get to herd immunity, the natural immunity is incredibly important.
01:08:05.000It isn't wishing that people get sick or get the disease, but the fact that they do, particularly those who don't get too sick and don't die, like the younger people, is actually better for society, the more people that have had the infection and survived.
01:08:18.000And that's really how we get beyond this, is when our natural immunity gets to a point.
01:08:23.000Because in all likelihood, we're going to find that natural immunity is significantly longer.
01:08:27.000Already, we think it's better, but I think we're going to find that it lasts into the years, whereas the vaccine lasts six months, then you get another one, then it lasts two months, then you get another one, then it lasts two weeks.
01:08:37.000And before you know it, Fauci will be mandating that we get vaccinated, you know, weekly, which is ridiculous.
01:08:43.000Well, that's just because it's his hobby.
01:08:46.000First off, you're saying, hopefully when we find out—and Dave, I do want to get to your question, but I might not be able to because I know the senator has to go—you're saying when we find out about natural immunity.
01:08:57.000How many people have recontracted COVID who had natural immunity?
01:09:01.000Does that answer exist from the CDC right now?
01:09:06.000The only place you can get it, actually, is from the big Israeli study, you know, showing, you know, hundreds of thousands of people that have not been vaccinated.
01:09:44.000But it turns out it's not good science, and I think people will reject it the more they hear about it.
01:09:49.000Well, I, you know, I will tell you this, and then I'll go to Dave's question, and I'll leave you with a very short question, but, you know, my father, my mother got it.
01:10:13.000And I went in the one feeling sick and I did not.
01:10:17.000And then they said, well, you know what?
01:10:19.000It's just, just treat it like a positive because you're living with someone who has it.
01:10:22.000So, you know, don't see your kids for 10 days and don't go to work.
01:10:24.000And we had just had twins, baby girls.
01:10:27.000And so then when it came to monoclonal antibodies, turns out I never, I didn't have it by the way, which I don't understand because I was sleeping with my wife who had it and we did stuff.
01:10:36.000They said, monoclonal antibodies, when we went there, they said, hey, do you have a, do you have a positive test?
01:10:42.000And I told them, I said, well, no, but they told me to treat it as a positive.
01:10:46.000And so they want this risk on one side of it, but they don't understand the risk that Americans are incurring.
01:11:02.000Is there, while we're talking about science, is there any scientific indication that the Omicron variant is more deadly than previous strains?
01:11:21.000I mean, we'll know more in a couple of weeks, and that's why any pronouncements now are premature and based just on sort of the proclivities of people to want to control your behavior, but there's no evidence yet.
01:11:32.000We'll know in a week or two, and if this is the Black Plague, I'm open to discussion as to what we should do, but if it's less serious, there are a few brave doctors who have said if it's less serious and very contagious, the fact that even more natural immunity will be spread very quickly through this, if it's less deadly, it could be a silver lining after this thing coming through here.
01:11:53.000But the other thing is, it's already here.
01:11:54.000The banning travel is not going to work.
01:11:57.000I've never been for banning travel, whether it was a previous administration or this administration.