Alex Blumberg joins Jemele to discuss why the Democratic Party is the most extreme party in American politics, and why it s not even close to being a moderate party at all. Alex and Jemele are joined by writer and podcaster Shonda Rhimes ( ) to discuss all the radical ideas the party has supported, including abortion, gay marriage, same-sex marriage, and transgender bathroom access.
00:00:15.000If I were to tell you that uh the 2024 Democrat nominee, Kamala Harris, in case you've forgotten, she probably hasn't a drunken stupor, supported taxpayer-funded trans surgeries for inmates.
00:00:28.000I made sure that they changed the policy in the state of California so that every transgender inmate in the prison system would have access to the medical care that they desired and need.
00:00:42.000You'd say stop straw manning, plus she's a drunk.
00:00:46.000If I were to tell you in 2018 or early 2019 that Virginia governor, Northam, Ralph Northam, would actually discuss what to do with a baby who survived an abortion and actually present as though it's an option, killing the born child.
00:01:04.000come on stop strong manning the infant would be delivered uh the infant would be kept comfortable uh the infant would be resuscitated if if that's what the uh mother and the family desired And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.
00:01:19.000Or if I were to tell you that, you know, the Democrat in office, the former vice president, you may refer to him as president.
00:01:25.000I think you need to respect the office.
00:01:26.000Former Vice President Biden would open the border for tens of millions of illegals, create jobs for exclusively foreign-born workers while actually costing American workers their own hard-earned jobs here, and that he would institute some kind of social media censorship apparatus specifically designed to be waged against conservatives.
00:01:47.000You'd say, Well, this is just fear porn.
00:01:52.000And here's the big difference: Kash Patel, Dan Bongino, Vance, Stephen Miller, Donald Trump...
00:01:58.000They don't even all share the same viewpoint on all policies.
00:02:13.000Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, go on down the list.
00:02:17.000Supports taxpayer-funded sex changes, supports transitioning children, supports abortion up until and including birth taxpayer funded period, supported open borders.
00:02:28.000If I were to tell supported health care, like we told you and showed you for illegal aliens at the cost of American workers, supported LGBTQ AIP Sesame Street in Yemen or whatever the hell it was.
00:02:39.000If I were to tell you you'd say, come on, so when I say that the Democrat Party is the most extreme version today of its party, what's redundant?
00:02:48.000What I really just mean to say is meet the Democrat Party.
00:03:14.000His position on abortion, where he believes that there should be some allowances up until a certain point within the first trimester that I don't even agree with.
00:03:27.000What about if in 2023 we told you that uh the incumbent president would drop out of the race halfway through the race, and then you wouldn't get a primary?
00:04:21.000The only gay story Hollywood is telling is one that belongs to white men.
00:04:28.000So this is the guy who says, yeah, they care They sort of characterize us as uh as this the most radical part of our party.
00:04:36.000Do you mean like the part of your party that talks about photographing children as non-binary by sexualizing them?
00:04:43.000Or do you mean the woke bullshit that then ended up permeating Disney in complaining that there wasn't enough black or Indian or insert whatever race here gay shit in your movies?
00:05:02.000And now you accuse the backlash of being extreme.
00:05:05.000Well, let me make the case for uh those on the right in this administration not being as extreme as those who believe uh taxpayer funded abortions up until nine months, including birth period and transitioning kids and sex changes paid for by the taxpayer for transgender inmates.
00:05:21.000I think that that is a stark contrast to the policy of deporting illegal aliens, which is simply enforcing the law.
00:05:28.000You know that because you claim that you want to.
00:05:43.000Promoting international peace through strength, right?
00:05:46.000De-escalation, non-interventionism, scrapping DEI in the military, and actually creating gender neutral requirements that may unfortunately mean certain genders are not able to compete as effectively.
00:05:58.000Hey, is it radical for cities that have record homicides and unrest, where entire city blocks have been burned down and now they are not allowing ICE to do their jobs, which they are part and parcel of the administration that was elected to do this.
00:06:17.000Is it radical to try and restore some kind of domestic peace in these blue cities where you have domestic terrorists wreaking havoc by committing political violence?
00:06:33.000The Barack Obama and Biden administration using the IRS to target conservatives, using the intelligence agencies to prosecute, basically for a glorified witch hunt of their political opposition, or maybe firing some people who were involved in that.
00:06:52.000They act radically and then accuse you of being radical when you simply go like, whoa, that's that's that's pretty extreme.
00:08:12.000This has been catching uh fire online.
00:08:14.000Now, just to be clear, I want to be clear with you.
00:08:16.000I'm not against shock collars um with dogs.
00:08:19.000And I'm certainly not against disciplining dogs.
00:08:20.000I'm not against spanking children, to be clear.
00:08:23.000Um I am against people who have animals they have no business taking care of and not knowing how to handle the animal, treating it like a commodity and inappropriately uh disciplining or mistreating a dog because they don't know anything about dogs, which makes sense.
00:08:42.000He comes from a culture that reviles dogs.
00:08:47.000So Hassan Piker uh was seen streaming um, of course, something something about how much he hates America, and then he uh shocked his dog for um disrupting his stream.
00:08:59.000And this is just like uh uh a moment of anger and This is a moment of fing anger for like something that is just so routine, so silly, such a first world problem.
00:09:10.000But it is emblematic of all of America's much more consequential violence.
00:09:16.000Okay, it's the same reason as to why America, Kaya, please just fing go stop.
00:09:49.000And can you read there was another clip there too where he was talking, uh, I believe I sent to Lane, where it sort of sets the stage where he was talking about French bulldogs, and he's like, people say don't oh I don't care, bro.
00:10:02.000Yeah, which by the way, also just shows like this is someone who treats a dog as an accessory.
00:10:06.000So adding all that up, I go, yeah, he probably doesn't necessarily know how to treat a dog.
00:10:09.000Um I don't really like when people get these designer breeds that have a lifespan of six years because they become an abomination so that some lady can stick its thumb up the dog's ass at Westminster.
00:10:22.000You have hurting dogs, you have hunting dogs, you have working dogs, and you have some dogs that were developed as uh bedwarmers for the uh the queen.
00:12:05.000And when you use it, I use the vibrate because if he runs out outside, I tell him I have to get the I don't know where the food went though now.
00:13:49.000There's also other practical uses too for a shot collar.
00:13:52.000Like uh, you know, you your dog charges out the front door at somebody, or is in if you have a backyard without without a uh a fence, or if the fence is, or if your dog is Joe Lewis and a fence is irrelevant.
00:14:19.000I just tap it, go, hey, gonna get the buzzer.
00:14:22.000And uh he goes, All right, okay, I'll play ball.
00:14:24.000The only time you actually need to shock him is if he's doing something that would would it be better for him to ingest something that puts him in the emergency room, or like you said, let's say something happens where a leash breaks, it's not really a problem with him, but he's chasing a rabbit where he could run into traps.
00:14:37.000Or maybe he had a dog park or something, and another dog is they start uh tussling and I don't take him to dog parks.
00:14:42.000Okay, well, not you, but some you know, somebody might.
00:14:45.000Yeah, well, but just because you walk into a room full of a hundred guys, how much you want to bet one of them's an asshole.
00:14:50.000But dogs don't have yeah, right, they don't have thumbs, so they have to communicate through like biting if they don't like the asshole.
00:17:24.000There's yeah, some agreements domestically with the only other person who had access to the shock collar, turning it up one time, and that was the one time that a dog yelped, and I did not believe the response was commensurate.
00:17:58.000A lot of strays get like just left out of this Property and he found a just an adorable little little girl and we brought her home for the weekend and uh didn't get along.
00:18:12.000The first time it was onto a dog bed, it was great.
00:18:15.000I wish I had my camera rolling in slow-mo, put some opera music behind it because he went flying onto the bed and she went flying after him and tongue out.
00:18:22.000Uh it was the best, but uh then she got him on the tile.
00:18:58.000And she, like, as soon as the fire explained to them, they're gonna do tricks with everything, and the guy even came out, you know where he puts the oil in the hibachi, but it's like a little uh it's a little like peeing guy in the toilet.
00:19:06.000He's like, Oh, look, I'll go peepee on the fire.
00:20:19.000And with that dog, we were we were hoping to rescue, we were like, we were we're expecting it, but it was just uh a little bit like she was grabbing the whole arm on my son, and we're like, uh we I don't.
00:20:27.000He was and we could have worked through it, but he's just so terrified.
00:20:29.000I'm like, I'm not gonna put him through this for the next few months.
00:20:38.000So yeah, not the not not every dog is a fit for every household, and that's fine, and I don't want to be one of those people like you should never have a shot collar on a dog.
00:20:44.000Well, you you go and have a dog that you know is powerful enough that we all live by his mercy and try and tell him don't eat that, and it's delicious.
00:20:53.000You better have a means of enforcement.
00:21:03.000We were, you know, we if we were eating, sometimes we'll like eat, we'll watch TV or something, kind of like order some food, and we'll just hear him like he'll ram the door with his head, boom.
00:21:11.000Oh no, no, go back, go back to your place, we'll get you after, and you hear you just see his nose shuffle around the door, it bangs it one more time and goes.
00:21:22.000It's the best when a dog has an attitude.
00:21:23.000Yeah, but it's even funnier when he's a dog that his attitude could just as easily be mauling.
00:26:34.000So when you're saying, like, no, no, there's nothing wrong with being physically short, because if you're physically short, but you agree with the things that I want you to agree with, it's like you meet the qualifier of being physically tall.
00:26:44.000But if you're physically short and you disagree with me on anything at all, you are a short piece of shit who deserves no love.
00:27:38.000That's how they justify everything, by the way.
00:27:40.000If you want to understand, I was just thinking about this the other day.
00:27:42.000How do they how do they justify their support for Hamas who would hang them?
00:27:46.000And uh, you know, also somehow L G B T Q A I P and then pick blacks at this point in time, and then also support Muslims, not just some you go like, oh, they just put everything under the colonizer umbrella.
00:28:02.000Well, you're a colonizer, uh, you colonize the blacks, therefore everything can be blamed on the colonization back then.
00:28:07.000Same thing you colonize India, so therefore uh the English, you know, the British Empire is wrong for everything.
00:28:10.000Well, Israel is colonizing uh power, so therefore it justifies uh everything that they do is or at least it's not as bad as what the colonization, right?
00:28:20.000And then uh since we're somewhat a marginalized community and the taxpayers aren't paying for our puberty blockers for our kids, you're trying to colonize LGBTQA.
00:28:28.000That's how they view the world, and that's why it's so in To you who who you view it as logically inconsistent.
00:28:35.000To them, it is entirely consistent and understand they simply look at the world through colonizer, colonized.
00:29:59.000But let's just go with that, because I don't have time to go through the Persian and the Ottomans and then Vlad the Impaler, who some people view as Dracula and some people view as a hero, and I'm not gonna have a dog in that fight.
00:30:12.000Do you think someday when the uh vampires take over that people will volunteer to go um into some kind of matrix to provide a blood bank for the ruling class?
00:30:24.000Like you put on uh, you know, a face mask and then you just get to live this fantasy life while they drain blood from you, matrix.
00:30:30.000Well, if the vampires presented themselves as a marginalized group, you would have the left demanding taxpayer-funded blood banks where you have to give your yeah, it is true.
00:30:37.000But the good news is they'd screw it up because government screws everything up, and even like I have a very rare blood type, and they call me for blood donations all the time.
00:31:44.000Because we told you that would happen.
00:31:45.000And uh, you know, many sci behavioral scientists and many doctors who are witnessing it real time, you know, but unfortunately not the science said that uh you were going to see uh a wave of uh mental health calamities for years to come, and we are seeing that take place now.
00:32:03.000So yeah, I think they had an effect on it, and I think you combine um you combine people getting, you know, people not socializing during incredibly important formative years with the proactive spread of mental illness and um normalizing of mental illness.
00:32:19.000And by that I don't just mean normalizing people seeking treatment, telling people who are mentally ill that they are not mentally ill.
00:32:24.000Combine that, yeah, it's a perfect perfect storm.
00:32:26.000I just had a thought that I immediately corrected my myself on, and it was I'm surprised that there wasn't more violence, political violence during lockdowns and during that COVID pandemic, crack.
00:32:39.000Well, I mean I mean that was anti-police political biology.
00:32:41.000I'm talking about like against uh, you know, liberal mayors and governors and lawmakers who shut down their states, who set up snitch lines, who had put police patrol in the streets.
00:32:52.000Uh but then I realized, oh, that's because it would have came from the right.
00:32:56.000If it had been reversed, and if it had been right-wing politicians and lawmakers who had locked down the country a thousand percent there would have been governors, mayors, lawmakers being assassinated in their homes.
00:33:33.000By the way, they weren't getting their way with the first black president ever.
00:33:36.000Apparently we were still more racist than ever because Black Lives Matter started then, and so did the uh Ferguson riots and uh uh the Dallas PD assassinations.
00:33:51.000What do you think the end game is for keeping the government shut down as it's been almost one week now?
00:33:55.000Aaron Ross Powell, J You know, I thought about doing a segment on this, what the left is saying versus what the right is saying and and kind of what the truth is.
00:34:02.000And um what always happens is the left they say, we want to open it up and they really want to hold it hostage by some kind of a policy.
00:34:09.000Like, ah, that's right, they want to extend all of these health care benefits to illegal aliens.
00:34:14.000Um the crux of it is really I I don't know if they refer to it as the Affordable Care Act uh tax credits or subsidies, but I believe that those are set to lapse uh at the end of 2025, and then you would see premiums double because people would realize how unaffordable the Affordable Care Act is, and so the left wants to extend it.
00:34:30.000They think they have Donald Trump by the short hairs because they can pin that on him.
00:34:34.000So as leverage, they want to extend this, by the way, to uh all illegal aliens without the stipulation as well.
00:34:40.000So they're playing political football with um your future and uh your tax dollars.
00:34:46.000It's uh if you want to know the truth, the left is they never start they might they might do something that's better for you, the American worker, incidentally, but it's never their starting off point.
00:35:33.000But I would say at this point in time it's it's more important to protect yourself from those who not only would uh commit violence against you, but who wouldn't do anything to help you, save you, protect you while violence is being committed against you.
00:35:47.000And that's far too significant of a percentage of this country.
00:35:52.000Recognize those people, mark them in your mind, give them uh, you know, give them a wide birth, protect yourself, and focus on those who will have conversations in good faith and whose minds you can change.
00:36:02.000Um I used to think that it was more of the population than I believe it is now.
00:36:10.000The big difference between me today and me uh ten years ago, even eight years ago, is I really was a little bit of an idealist who thought that almost everyone's minds can be changed.
00:36:21.000Whereas now I go, okay, because I know that there is a finite number of minds who can be changed, um, I need to do a better job of identifying the difference between these two people.
00:36:32.000And it's of more value to those who are willing to have a conversation in good faith to see that there are many who are not.
00:36:39.000There's value in those people identifying themselves and showing the world who they truly are.
00:36:46.000So when those people if I know that they're going to justify or rationalize the violence, for example, the Charlie Kirk assassination or Antifa or riots, if I know that they are, I want to get them to that point as quickly as possible so that everyone else can hear and I can go, okay, great.
00:37:02.000Well then we're just not going to agree.
00:37:04.000That way you can spend your time on someone who's who's worth your time.
00:37:28.000Well, this is one where it it both, as far as optics could make the case that they've backed the other into a no-win situation.
00:37:38.000Um I just think it depends on how this is handled.
00:37:40.000So the left right now, they're preparing to try and say, see, Donald Trump always wanted to use this shutdown to basically call you know the federal workforce.
00:37:47.000And I'm like, oh, careful, you can only get me so excited.
00:38:02.000It depends on how this will all play out.
00:38:04.000That's really more of a question of messaging.
00:38:07.000And I know we have black and white and the gray issues tomorrow.
00:38:09.000Um, but I I I did want to at some point kind of do what the left is saying uh regarding the shutdown versus the right and and what's correct.
00:38:17.000Um right now they're both kind of playing a little bit of a game of chicken.
00:38:21.000Um obviously I believe that the right is correct because I believe there should be no benefits whatsoever for any illegal aliens in this country, full stop.
00:39:04.000I think that they want this um uh this result.
00:39:09.000They want the National Guard being sent into their state.
00:39:12.000They want to refuse it from their state so that another state like Texas can volunteer theirs and be sent to Illinois, because then it gives them the, you know, uh um the position of, whoa, look at this tyrannical government.
00:39:30.000It really it's helping them sell their their um, you know, their slant that this is a tyrannical authoritarian government, and they love it.
00:40:14.000Were you about to say something there, Joe?
00:40:16.000No, I mean, just I think you're right, they are being forced into this position of obviously cities that have been crime-ridden for a very long time that have leftist policies.
00:40:25.000We've talked about them before over and over and over again.
00:40:27.000The flash point is ice right now in Los Angeles and Portland and Chicago and pretty much anywhere in the country right now, even in Dallas with the the shooting that we had here.
00:40:35.000Um I think Trump is doing a masterful job at saying we will, we will, we will on the true we'll send troops, we'll send troops, we'll send troops, and then saying no, no, no, no, no, and actually coming out really hard against it, but then also not doing anything about the problem.
00:40:49.000And I think what he's done differently in Chicago, or what's happened differently, I don't know if the you know the president really affected this or not, but Chicago has gone a step further than anybody else in saying, okay, now we're signing executive orders for the city from the mayor saying you can't use any of these facilities that are owned by the city.
00:41:38.000No, I what if it what if they got a what if they got a the protest mob, one guy bumps another guy, or there's a counter protest, and then people start fighting at this counter protest.
00:41:50.000Listen, when the reason and Tom Holman said this, we played it in a video yesterday.
00:41:54.000And by the way, if you want to understand the importance of go go listen to Tom Holman in the interview that Steven did with him, where he talked about the five-year-old boy in the truck dying with his dad, or talked about the young girl who had been raped and he saw the innocence that was stolen from her that she would never get back.
00:42:11.000Go talk to people that have opened up tractor trailers full of dead cooked human beings, okay?
00:42:17.000Then come back and tell me that it's compassionate to have this kind of a policy.
00:42:21.000But they've they are just trying to do their job.
00:42:24.000And Holman said, if you would just tell the courts or the police officers when you arrest somebody who's not here legally just to call ICE so that we can come pick them up safely from you, instead you release them back out in the community, you don't call us, and now we have to go find them.
00:42:38.000And now it gets dangerous for everyone.
00:42:40.000The ICE officers, the person they're trying to find, and also people around them.
00:42:59.000Because they're trying to gain votes, and they will play anyone off of any other group at any given moment in time if it's politically expedient for them.
00:43:10.000Would it be a fair generalization, not all not all, to say that conservatives, republic conservatism, in general, we tend to have a negative view of government.
00:43:23.000We tend to view it as bloated bureaucratic.
00:44:01.000But then you see the political football play when you realize how inconsistent the left is.
00:44:06.000For example, we talk about immigration.
00:44:07.000Barack Obama was deporting thousands upon thousands of people while talking about amnesty and saying, if I get a bill on my desk, I'll sign up tomorrow.
00:44:14.000He was pretty aggressive in deporting because he knew that that would be bad for his future prospects politically because it would harm the American worker.
00:44:22.000Well, that's not necessarily very consistent.
00:44:24.000Same thing if you look at Democrats and they're anti-gun, but they also are surrounded by a bunch of security officers, right?
00:44:29.000If you look at a lot of the policies from the left, they are remarkably inconsistent.
00:44:34.000Or you look at the left and they go, hey, hold on a second.
00:44:35.000We have f free and fair, we'd have secure elections.
00:44:38.000There was the election integrity commission, I believe it was what it was with Amy Klobuchar and I think Bernie Sanders, Jimmy Carter, Elizabeth Warren, if I'm not mistaken.
00:44:45.000And then they go, well, no, no, actually it's the most free and fair.
00:44:48.000In an election where there was less verification because of mass mail and voting.
00:44:53.000Their actions will depend on what they need to do to purchase votes at that given moment in time.
00:45:01.000Here's how you know it's pretty consistent.
00:45:04.000Um you wouldn't say that the right wing party, because the left tells you the right wing party are conservatives right now, they're radical.
00:45:11.000They want you, they want to destroy our institutions.
00:45:15.000Anyone want to make the case that Donald Trump, JD Vance, or you could go to Cash Patel, Dan Don Gino, that any of them have taken aim proverbially on police officers with guns?
00:45:30.000People out there in the field, police officers with guns, or have they consistently had an issue with the institutions?
00:46:03.000What is consistent is those on the right having a consistent distrust of those pushing pencils in Washington, DC's, maybe calling the shots, not those who are putting their lives on the line, having to make real-time decisions.
00:46:18.000The left, it can be any given institution or any given job on any given day.
00:46:25.000It could be a police officer who they say are racist and massacring black people in the streets today.
00:46:29.000And tomorrow it could be the FBI because now it's being weaponized, but a few months ago or a couple of years ago, they were telling us to to trust them, trust the institutions.
00:47:17.000Let's put on the shelf for a second that it's effectively a sanctuary city, and you have a bunch of illegal aliens contributing to crime, but you live in a city before the National Guard has come in with record violence, and your local government has said you can't protect yourself.
00:47:34.000We're gonna do nothing to fucking stop it.
00:47:37.000We're actually going to accidentally create the environment that is most perfectly hospitable to lawlessness and violence, but we're gonna bar you from being able to protect your person, your property, and your family.
00:47:57.000Well, where were you guys back then on the tyrannical conversation?