Louder with Crowder - Rener Gracie Destroys Self Defense Myths | Louder With Crowder

00:00:00.000 You get to control the level of the situation as opposed to, you know, these guys, you see all of our conservative shows and radio, like, yeah, I go to the eyes, I go for the throat, because I'm not limited by sport.

00:00:10.000 Well, actually, you're so limited because you can only make it work if you can get to the eyes and, like, end someone's life.

00:00:16.000 Well, not to mention, I know, you know where my eyes are, and I know where your eyes are. 0.99

00:00:20.000 And balls. 0.99

00:00:21.000 And anything. 0.97

00:00:22.000 The bottom line is, whatever you can do, dirty techniques, I can do those too so that we're neutral.

00:00:27.000 We're the same, okay?

00:00:28.000 So now that we've neutralized at that level, let's go to a level of, okay, what else can you offer to the situation?

00:00:34.000 And positional dominance, controlling the distance, managing the dangerous strikes are skills that really Jiu-Jitsu provides in an amazing way.

00:00:40.000 And people will say, oh, well, Jiu-Jitsu doesn't work against multiple attackers is the common rebuttal.

00:00:46.000 I'm like, yeah, well, bring me the art that does.

00:00:48.000 I'd like to meet that person.

00:00:49.000 Me and my brother would like to meet that person.

00:00:51.000 And then...

00:00:54.000 This is not the first time this next guest is here on the program.

00:00:58.000 We had him when the show was just getting its sea legs, and now he's back because it ties into a news story.

00:01:03.000 I didn't even know this before going into this.

00:01:06.000 You can go to graceyuniversity.com.

00:01:08.000 Of course, part of the legendary family that created the UFC. Henner Gracie, thank you, sir, for being here.

00:01:15.000 Honor, man.

00:01:15.000 I'm just glad that we're far enough away where you can't get your hands around my neck.

00:01:19.000 I can't get my hands around your neck.

00:01:20.000 Good Lord.

00:01:21.000 You and your false humility.

00:01:26.000 Actually, my neck's gotten a lot bigger with the back injury, so I fat shame myself on air, so that way I can go back and then feel good when I lose weight.

00:01:36.000 So this story happened.

00:01:38.000 I mean, there are a few things to get into.

00:01:40.000 You're obviously a coach for Ronda Rousey.

00:01:41.000 He's just monumental, the biggest female in all of athletics right now.

00:01:45.000 But the story happened, you know, this terrorist attack in France that was thwarted by Americans.

00:01:49.000 Now, I read about this.

00:01:50.000 I wrote about this on the site.

00:01:52.000 But I didn't know a key piece of information.

00:01:55.000 And you filled me in on that.

00:01:56.000 So why don't you fill in our audience who may not know?

00:01:59.000 Right.

00:01:59.000 And I'm sure the audience knows, you know, most of the general details regarding the incident.

00:02:04.000 The train was riding from Amsterdam to Paris when a man comes out of the laboratory with an AK-47 pistol and a knife of some sort, like a box cutter of some sort.

00:02:16.000 And it has an AK-47 with nine magazines of ammunition, basically 200-plus rounds, and is ready to wreak havoc and kill lots of people on this.

00:02:25.000 You can assume, right? 0.99

00:02:26.000 Presumably that he's going to kill a lot of people. 0.96

00:02:29.000 And there's 500 people on the train. 0.96

00:02:31.000 And the train car that he came out with the weapon to, you know, kill the initial, I guess, subjects or targets of his attack.

00:02:37.000 There were three American guys, and one of which was an off-duty U.S. Air Force member who trains jiu-jitsu at an affiliate of the Gracie family in Portugal, in Lisboa, Gracie, Lisboa.

00:02:53.000 And this guy is sleeping, and he wakes up to a commotion and a few AK-47 rounds that went off near the lavatory in between the train cars.

00:03:03.000 And he wakes up and his buddy who's sitting next to him, who I think his name is Alex, Spencer Stone is the name of the Jiu-Jitsu student and the man who initially charged at the AK-47.

00:03:13.000 So he wakes up and Alex says, hey, let's go.

00:03:16.000 But he doesn't even know what we're going for.

00:03:17.000 He just knows that something's happening crazy.

00:03:20.000 And Alex says, he looks up, sees an AK-47 down at the end of the hall or down at the end of the aisleway in the train and just starts running.

00:03:29.000 And this is based on his kind of recollection of the event.

00:03:32.000 He said at that moment the guy was either the gun had jammed or he was trying to cycle a new round or he wasn't very proficient in utilizing it.

00:03:38.000 But he was messing with the gun and it wasn't shoot ready.

00:03:41.000 So lucky for Spencer Stone, he kept charging, went straight through, get a hold of the guy, starts to try to tackle him.

00:03:47.000 Alec and Anthony, the two other gentlemen who were with him, two other American friends and they were both on vacation in Europe, Charge in, start grabbing the AK, and they're tussling for another British man named Chris Norris, I think, or Chris Nolan.

00:04:01.000 Chris something goes in there, and he basically is grabbing and striking, too.

00:04:05.000 I think Chris Nolan is the director for Dark Knight.

00:04:08.000 I think you might be.

00:04:09.000 You might be mixing it up, but continue.

00:04:11.000 So Chris something, the British dude, goes in there all scuffling for this guy's weapons, and then Spencer gets behind the guy, puts him in a chokehold, a jujitsu, rear naked choke, applies pressure, He's holding.

00:04:22.000 The guys are able to take the AK. He pulls out a pistol.

00:04:24.000 They take the pistol.

00:04:25.000 Then he pulls out a knife and starts stabbing Spencer.

00:04:28.000 And at that point is when Spencer's ligaments and thumb nearly get severed off. 0.71

00:04:33.000 I mean, really almost cut his thumb off, cut his neck.

00:04:35.000 And he's holding.

00:04:37.000 He lets him go, pushes him down.

00:04:38.000 They all start punching at this guy.

00:04:40.000 He drops the weapon.

00:04:41.000 They take all the weapons.

00:04:42.000 He gets back up.

00:04:43.000 He puts the choke on again.

00:04:44.000 And with the choke in place, he's able to render the man unconscious.

00:04:47.000 I saw that, yeah.

00:05:05.000 Three lessons that we took away from this.

00:05:07.000 And, you know, it's just so cool to see that he was able to engage so quickly, so selflessly.

00:05:13.000 And I know for sure, because it's where all of my conviction and confidence and my willingness to engage in anything, not just a physical altercation, but in any aspect of life or any challenge, as you know, comes from the confidence that jujitsu gives us.

00:05:26.000 And to know that jiu-jitsu played a small part in helping render this guy, you know, unconscious and ultimately subduing this terrorist is nothing short of remarkable.

00:05:36.000 And I said in the video that my brother and I made, like, it's times like this where I wish my grandfather was still alive so that we could say, grandfather, listen, and like speak in a very simple language like he liked and say a man in, you know, France was trying to kill people with an AK-47.

00:05:49.000 He's like, yeah, I know the AK-47.

00:05:50.000 Yeah, that guy was choked unconscious by a man who does jiu-jitsu with one of your son's affiliates, Hoyler's affiliates in Portugal.

00:05:58.000 And if he could wrap his head around that and know how far jiu-jitsu has traveled based on his efforts, it would be an amazing thing.

00:06:04.000 But unfortunately, he's not with us anymore.

00:06:06.000 This is true.

00:06:07.000 Well, then also in his later age, they sort of that filter leaves and he probably would go on an anti-French tirade as to why the French needed Americans to save them.

00:06:14.000 You never know.

00:06:16.000 There's a certain age where it's like, I don't care.

00:06:19.000 I'll offend everybody.

00:06:20.000 And I've read some interviews with your grandfather, Elio, and he seemed to be that way.

00:06:25.000 He was to the point.

00:06:27.000 But sometimes you're like, oh my god, you probably shouldn't say that.

00:06:31.000 At the end of the day, he was running out of time.

00:06:34.000 And to him, who cares what he says?

00:06:37.000 And if he doesn't say what he feels, what's it worth?

00:06:39.000 That's kind of where he got to, I feel like.

00:06:40.000 Right.

00:06:41.000 No, I think that's the way most people get there.

00:06:42.000 I think we're getting there as a society, too.

00:06:44.000 I mean, here you have this terrorist attack.

00:06:46.000 There was a time where you had to tiptoe lightly and not offend anyone.

00:06:48.000 I think everyone's just so tired of it, and we're becoming a culture of people who want to be more results-oriented.

00:06:55.000 We've become so scared about offending people. 0.83

00:06:57.000 Listen, if it's a Muslim terrorist killing in the name of Islam, let's talk about it. 0.99

00:07:00.000 Let's just be honest and face the problem. 0.99

00:07:02.000 Same thing.

00:07:03.000 I think people now, you see with the UFC that you guys created, are results-oriented.

00:07:08.000 In training for self-defense, I was talking about this, and for those listening terrestrially, we'll have a longer segment on LottoWithCroider.com because we know we don't want to bore you with all the ins and outs, technically, of jiu-jitsu.

00:07:18.000 I was talking with my producer, Jer, here about this.

00:07:21.000 You know, all these real combat, you know, Krav Maga, and this is reality-based, man.

00:07:26.000 I'm sitting there going, ah, jiu-jitsu, all that stuff.

00:07:28.000 That's just sport-based.

00:07:28.000 I'm going, is there anything more reality-based than a terrorist with an AK-47 on a train and nine magazines?

00:07:36.000 And it worked.

00:07:38.000 Isn't that the laboratory of life?

00:07:40.000 Isn't that...

00:07:41.000 And you hear this all the time.

00:07:42.000 I mean, these things happen all the time.

00:07:44.000 And...

00:07:46.000 Effective, basic grappling works.

00:07:48.000 Do you think there's sort of a coming home to that?

00:07:51.000 Because there's been so much BS, not only in media, but in martial arts, there's a lot of overlap.

00:07:56.000 Do you feel like people are just tired of it across the board?

00:07:59.000 Yeah, I do.

00:08:00.000 And I think that, you know, you nailed it on the head.

00:08:02.000 At the end of the day, you know, you can't argue with the results.

00:08:06.000 And, you know, if you look historically through all the martial arts, there's never been a Single-handedly proven to be so effective for the average person.

00:08:17.000 We're not talking about the ultra-athlete who's given some eye-gouging and growing striking skills.

00:08:22.000 We're talking about average person, someone of average physical capability to overcome someone much heavier, much stronger, much more athletic.

00:08:30.000 That simple engagement, which is probably the most likely street altercation engagement you can think of, right?

00:08:35.000 Someone who's the bully or the aggressor or the bigger, stronger athletic threat person against an athlete.

00:08:41.000 Average person who's not trying to pick a fight but is just out with his girlfriend and some guy walks by with an attitude and spits on him or has a look or an eye or a tone or bumps into him in a way.

00:08:50.000 Or an AK. The point is, it's always going to be someone more powerful against someone weaker in these situations.

00:08:57.000 It's most common.

00:08:58.000 And there's no martial art that has proven that ability to overcome that.

00:09:02.000 That's not happening with eye gouges and growing strikes.

00:09:05.000 That's happening with Being comfortable in worst case scenarios, right?

00:09:09.000 And at the end of the day, if you're fighting someone who outweighs you by 50 or 100 pounds, and they decide that they want to tackle you, they're going to tackle you.

00:09:15.000 And my grandfather's philosophy was, man, if you're going to tackle me, great, but the fight's not over until you make me say uncle.

00:09:22.000 And if you can't do that, I'll take care of the situation, I'll submit you from underneath you, and I'll make it happen.

00:09:26.000 So that's the beauty of jiu-jitsu.

00:09:28.000 It's comfort in worst case scenarios.

00:09:30.000 No other martial art provides the same degree of readiness for the Right.

00:09:38.000 And I would definitely say gracey jiu-jitsu for, like you said, the unathletic person.

00:09:41.000 And if you have people who are in better shape, you can include similar combat sports where you're actually, you know, basically having full-on resistance on a daily basis.

00:09:50.000 What I find so funny, I was telling my dad about this.

00:09:52.000 You know, my dad's stud, purple belt, never lost a point in the match at 55 years old.

00:09:57.000 We're talking about this, and, you know, the thing, the big thing, the reality, I'm using this term, you know, loosely, the reality of Self-defense arts teaches, well, it's too limiting, right?

00:10:05.000 It's for sport.

00:10:07.000 We would eye gouge and hit balls.

00:10:08.000 I'm going, well, hold on a second.

00:10:09.000 Here's the beauty of something like jiu-jitsu or grappling.

00:10:12.000 You want to talk limiting, you could have used this same movement pattern technique in a tussle with your brother And just slapped your little brother and gotten him in line, or with a guy outside of a bar, like you said, who spit on you, or you can use more force and choke a terrorist unconscious and tie him up.

00:10:30.000 He's like waking up like Boris and Natasha tied to the railroad tracks.

00:10:34.000 There's nothing he can do about it.

00:10:35.000 You get to control the level of the situation as opposed to, you know, these guys, you see all of our conservative shows and radio, like, yeah, I go to the eyes, I go for the throat, because I'm not limited by sport.

00:10:45.000 Well, actually, you're so limited because you can only make it work if you can get to the eyes and, like, end someone's life.

00:10:51.000 Well, not to mention, I know, you know where my eyes are, and I know where your eyes are. 0.99

00:10:55.000 And balls. 0.99

00:10:56.000 And anything. 0.98

00:10:57.000 Bottom line is, whatever you can do, dirty techniques, I can do those too so that we're neutral.

00:11:03.000 We're the same, okay?

00:11:04.000 So now that we've neutralized at that level, let's go to a level of, okay, what else can you offer to the situation?

00:11:09.000 And positional dominance, controlling the distance, managing the dangerous strikes, Are skills that really Jiu Jitsu provides in an amazing way.

00:11:16.000 And people will say, oh, well, Jiu Jitsu doesn't work against multiple attackers.

00:11:20.000 Is the common rebuttal.

00:11:20.000 Nothing does.

00:11:21.000 I'm like, yeah, well, bring me the art that does.

00:11:23.000 I'd like to meet that person.

00:11:24.000 Me and my brother would like to meet that person.

00:11:26.000 And then we will engage against that person and prove to them that what art they practice also doesn't work.

00:11:31.000 They argue something that doesn't work against multiple attackers.

00:11:34.000 Oh, well, you know what?

00:11:35.000 Kung Fu doesn't work against the Acme anvil that's dropped from the ceiling onto you like Wile E. Coyote.

00:11:40.000 So once we start dealing in reality, that if you're going to deal with four or five guys who want to... 0.84

00:11:45.000 They're going to kill you.

00:11:47.000 It's like the knife fighting.

00:11:48.000 And you know what works against multiple attackers?

00:11:50.000 It's getting out of the fight.

00:11:51.000 Straight up.

00:11:51.000 Getting out of the fight.

00:11:52.000 Now let me ask you this.

00:11:53.000 100 meter dash.

00:11:54.000 So, 100 meter dash.

00:11:55.000 But here's the problem.

00:11:55.000 You've got to get out.

00:11:56.000 Against two or three.

00:11:57.000 Let's just say two.

00:11:58.000 Keep it simple.

00:11:59.000 Against two determined bad guys that want to attack you and assault you.

00:12:03.000 What's going to happen?

00:12:04.000 One's going to hit you.

00:12:05.000 The other guy's going to grab you. 0.59

00:12:07.000 They're going to fall to the ground.

00:12:09.000 Invariably.

00:12:11.000 because one guy's gonna grab you, okay?

00:12:14.000 Unless it's a perfect knockout, which we've seen on some YouTube videos, by 10, 15 year veterans of the striking arts, which is amazing if they have the physical capabilities.

00:12:22.000 But I'm talking about an art that is actually learnable by someone who's not a gifted freak of nature.

00:12:27.000 So a normal person, right?

00:12:29.000 Let's just assume they're in a fight.

00:12:30.000 Before we continue, for those listening who don't think this ties into culture or politics, it is important if you are a human being to be a truly sovereign human being to be able to protect your life and liberty.

00:12:41.000 You can have all the guns you want.

00:12:42.000 You can talk about the Second Amendment you want.

00:12:43.000 If you're unarmed and you're unable to protect yourself, you are not a truly independent person.

00:12:49.000 Just that's my aside there.

00:12:50.000 Sorry, Hannah, continue, but it's important to everybody.

00:12:53.000 So you're unarmed and you're truly independently walking down the street and two crazy, unindependent individuals, actually interdependent individuals who rely on each other to victimize independent people like yourself, come up and they want to attack you and there they go.

00:12:53.000 So you're unarmed.

00:13:09.000 Invariably, that fight's going to end up on the ground.

00:13:11.000 So then my question is this.

00:13:12.000 It's not, oh, who knows best chokes and arm locks?

00:13:15.000 Who is best capable of escaping an inevitable ground fight to get back to their feet And to get away.

00:13:24.000 Right.

00:13:25.000 So a jujitsu, if for nothing else, is the skill to get out of a ground fight.

00:13:29.000 And who better to teach someone to get out of a pool than a swimmer?

00:13:33.000 Who better to teach someone to get out of a ground fight than a jujitsu master?

00:13:36.000 So we're teaching people how to understand a ground fight.

00:13:38.000 You can't get out of a pool if you don't know how to swim.

00:13:40.000 So learn jujitsu so that you aren't victimized.

00:13:43.000 what's crazy is that talk about police talk about police you know brutality talk about you know the whole recent hype on you know use of force in law enforcement sure when i go teach a law enforcement group i stand in front of 50 60 cops so i'm going to certify as instructors and gracie survival tactics for law enforcement i say guys rule number one the bad guy always has the ambush advantage you never know when they're going to attack ufc they know when the fight's going to start you guys don't have that privilege number two never grapple in a street fight by choice you

00:14:11.000 You guys have tools and tasers and weapons and other tools, intermediate force options, that once you're in a ground grapple are available to you and the suspect.

00:14:19.000 So do not allow yourself to be in a ground fight grappling with the person.

00:14:23.000 Okay, one second.

00:14:23.000 We have to go keep the lights on with a commercial.

00:14:25.000 We'll come back.

00:14:25.000 Keep that train of thought.

00:14:26.000 Henner Gracie schooling us on how to beat terrorism yourself with your bare hands.

00:14:31.000 A lot of with Crowder.

00:14:32.000 Stay tuned.

00:14:32.000 We're back with Henner Gracie.

00:14:33.000 He was talking about training law enforcement and I'm sorry to step on your toes.

00:14:36.000 Continue.

00:14:39.000 So, rule number two, when training law enforcement, never grapple with the suspect or the enemy by choice.

00:14:45.000 The idea that you have weapons, tools, tasers, batons, chemical sprays, you know, all of these are opportunities to basically use intermediate force if you can create distance.

00:14:55.000 But if you're in a grappler, They're available to both parties.

00:14:58.000 And a lot of law enforcement professionals will say, well, I don't want to learn jujitsu because I don't want to be grappling with the bad guy.

00:15:03.000 As if we're encouraging it.

00:15:05.000 It's the opposite.

00:15:06.000 We teach you jujitsu so that you understand the ground fight.

00:15:09.000 So on a moment's notice, you can disengage whenever you want, access your other intermediate force options, and then, of course, neutralize the threat in the most appropriate way possible.

00:15:18.000 And then rule number three, when it comes to a fight for your life, There is no tap out.

00:15:23.000 The threat has to be neutralized and the suspect has to be in handcuffs or else we don't practice it.

00:15:28.000 So these kind of founding pillars of our program, you know, are really important because a lot of cops say, oh, Jiu Jitsu is growing in MMA, but it's not for law enforcement because why would we want to be rolling around on the floor with a bad guy?

00:15:38.000 Well, what about when you grab the bad guy, you arrest him and you're grappling by your choice.

00:15:42.000 And then it...

00:15:44.000 Turn south where you end up underneath him.

00:15:46.000 How are you going to get back to your feet if you never learn how to swim?

00:15:48.000 Well, not only that, but if you're talking about the Black Lives Matter movement or people who talk about police brutality, if I'm being arrested, I mean, these people should be lobbying for jiu-jitsu to be taught in the force.

00:15:57.000 Because, again, I would much rather have a cop who is in control, who can lock me up, put the cuffs on, and not have to hit me, not have to whack me with a baton.

00:16:06.000 That's the key, and that's what I want to talk about here for people listening, the terrorist issue.

00:16:11.000 I mean, you guys deal, unlike a lot of sort of these, let's just call us BS martial arts that go out, we're reality, man, we're hardcore.

00:16:19.000 You guys actually deal with the psychology of it, and that's why you see these results so often.

00:16:23.000 Terrorists, public attacks, whether it's in a pizza parlor or in a public pool, it's about knowing how a situation arises, situational awareness, and controlling it.

00:16:33.000 It comes down to controlling the situation.

00:16:36.000 And if nothing else, if people who don't want to learn how to fight, you know, they'll hear this and go, I don't want to learn about how to fight.

00:16:41.000 But they want to learn how to have situational awareness and control the situation.

00:16:46.000 What do you teach those people when they come in?

00:16:49.000 An absolute newbie who then goes from...

00:16:55.000 So the first kind of principle of jujitsu is that you want to be comfortable with closeness.

00:17:02.000 So when someone comes in, we know that as a culture, Americans especially, hi, nice to meet you.

00:17:07.000 We shake hands.

00:17:08.000 It's, you know, compared to even Brazilian or other cultures, which are much more intimate hugging and kissing in European cultures, it's still a very much of a...

00:17:15.000 There's always a safe gap between you and the person you just met.

00:17:18.000 And that's pretty interesting so that when we get them to the academy, our first thing is, man, get comfortable being closer as you train jiu-jitsu.

00:17:25.000 So we get them in there.

00:17:26.000 We show them a few techniques on the ground.

00:17:27.000 We're grappling.

00:17:28.000 We teach them how to be comfortable with that closeness.

00:17:30.000 Once they're like not all tense when they're close to someone, then we start to layer in the actual kind of skill sets and techniques.

00:17:36.000 The first most important of which is learn how to manage the distance and manage the damage.

00:17:40.000 And this is true whether you're on a train with a man bearing an AK-47 or you're in a fight against someone who wants to rip your head off with violent punches.

00:17:48.000 In both cases, you want to either be all the way out of the train or all the way up on the guy who has the AK.

00:17:55.000 You don't want to be ducking down by your chair waiting for him to walk by and execute you point blank.

00:18:01.000 So this natural tendency for people to just say, oh no, versus what Spencer Stone had, as we saw clearly in his...

00:18:08.000 In his report of the incident, he just got up and charged in.

00:18:11.000 That was a very jujitsu principle to say, I'm going to go, I'm going to engage, get as close as possible, as fast as possible.

00:18:18.000 He knew that by being that close, the AK has very limited effectiveness.

00:18:22.000 In fact, the only damage that was caused to Spencer wasn't even done by the AK or the pistol.

00:18:26.000 It was done by a knife.

00:18:27.000 So the point being, he knew that that weapon was not dangerous if he was so close to the person.

00:18:33.000 This ability to be comfortable with closeness, manage distance, manage damage, it all boils down to teaching them the techniques.

00:18:39.000 Once they build the confidence in the academy, then it goes back to the ability to avoid fights, be more aware of your surroundings, and ultimately prevent fights from happening because people who fight are people who have something to prove.

00:18:52.000 But if you are able to prove your capabilities every day in the gym, You don't have to go out and puff up and feel the need to, you know, aggress people outside a bar or wherever.

00:19:02.000 Well, that's so big too.

00:19:03.000 That's pivotal.

00:19:04.000 Because I want to say something, and this is going to be politically incorrect.

00:19:06.000 People will talk about how they're Americans and they were so brave when they're heroes.

00:19:08.000 All of that is true.

00:19:09.000 But it's not just bravery.

00:19:11.000 People need to understand that this is a situation where they had been before.

00:19:14.000 Not exactly, but it wasn't false bravado.

00:19:17.000 It was...

00:19:19.000 Familiarity with the situation.

00:19:20.000 So it's really, really easy to say, oh, just brave.

00:19:22.000 These people are just brave heroes.

00:19:23.000 Well, you go, okay, okay.

00:19:24.000 But what led to that bravery?

00:19:26.000 And that's something that everyone can learn.

00:19:29.000 You don't have to depend on someone else for that.

00:19:31.000 That's the mind.

00:19:32.000 That's the psychology of it.

00:19:33.000 Another thing, too, you mentioned the box cutter.

00:19:34.000 It's very important.

00:19:35.000 You know, this is more right-leaning politically.

00:19:37.000 Andrew Gracie's not here to talk politics.

00:19:39.000 So a lot of people are into tactical weaponry, guns and knives.

00:19:43.000 A knife is a horrible defensive weapon.

00:19:46.000 There's no such thing as knife fighting.

00:19:48.000 It's an assassination, right?

00:19:50.000 If you take out a knife, you've now escalated it.

00:19:52.000 It's not like a gun where someone's going to go, okay, hey, walk away.

00:19:54.000 People out there need to know that because we've had a lot of people even maybe come into the studio with a knife.

00:19:57.000 This is my defense.

00:19:58.000 Well, it's going to come down to a physical altercation with a knife. 0.90

00:20:02.000 And you can do all these silly little, you know, Steven Seagal knife fighting moves all you want.

00:20:07.000 The fact is you're not going to see a knife until it's inside of you, and the guy who's going to win a knife fight, it's not like a gun.

00:20:12.000 It's not a mechanical advantage.

00:20:13.000 It's still a physical altercation, and someone's getting stabbed.

00:20:18.000 So you see a lot of these, and we just had another stabbing out there in Detroit.

00:20:21.000 Well, it's not really news because it's Detroit.

00:20:23.000 Anyways, that was just for the listeners to hopefully educate some people out there walking around with pocket knives who, God forbid you have a Swiss Army knife, that'll just fold on your fingers like a paper cutter.

00:20:33.000 Switching gears.

00:20:34.000 Ronda Rousey, you're one of her coaches, obviously grappling coaches.

00:20:38.000 She is like the biggest star in all of, I mean, arguably in sports right now, but certainly the biggest female star.

00:20:46.000 You were with her for a long time.

00:20:47.000 What's it been like watching that rise?

00:20:49.000 It's become a cultural movement.

00:20:50.000 It's like a new feminism. 1.00

00:20:52.000 It's not burning bras, you know, smoking pot. 1.00

00:20:55.000 It's like women want to see this strong chick who's out there making it with her achievements. 1.00

00:21:00.000 It's pretty cool to watch.

00:21:02.000 Yeah, no, it's been spectacular to be part of it, and it just kind of comes full circle, right, to have been involved and to see the creation of the UFC over 20 years ago by my father and, you know, his partners way back when, and to kind of see how that was a shock to the culture then.

00:21:17.000 It was like, you know, the AED, you know, to the heart of martial arts in America.

00:21:22.000 Literally, it just, boom, it just jump-started something and started an entirely different movement.

00:21:27.000 And it feels very similar to what Ronda is doing right now for women's athletics, more specifically women's MMA.

00:21:34.000 She's giving it a jump-start that only a star like herself could do. 0.65

00:21:39.000 And it really took Ronda to begin that movement.

00:21:41.000 And she's not just another MMA fighter.

00:21:43.000 She's truly an exceptional athlete and human being.

00:21:46.000 I didn't realize what time it was.

00:21:48.000 Henner Gracie, go to louderwithcrowder.com for the extended Don Line version where he's uncensored.

00:21:48.000 Okay, stay around.

00:21:52.000 You won't even believe what he says.

00:21:54.000 It's X-rated.

00:21:55.000 louderwithcrowder.com.

00:21:56.000 Stay tuned.

00:21:57.000 So what happens now?

00:21:58.000 Now you're just online.

00:21:58.000 We just don't even...

00:22:00.000 There's no breaks or anything.

00:22:01.000 Sorry, but we have, you know, it goes on terrestrial and they have to do the breaks.

00:22:03.000 You can just keep talking about Rhonda now.

00:22:05.000 You can say whatever you want.

00:22:06.000 I'll start it off.

00:22:08.000 Urination.

00:22:09.000 There you go.

00:22:09.000 We said a dirty word.

00:22:10.000 Go ahead.

00:22:13.000 So anyways, it's been truly magnificent and it's just cool to see that special movements take special people to get them started.

00:22:24.000 And interestingly enough, we talked about this in the Gracie breakdown of the terrorist train assault that leadership, right?

00:22:34.000 And it just takes someone to make that first step and someone has to engage.

00:22:38.000 And it's almost like Rhonda didn't choose to start a movement.

00:22:43.000 She didn't have a choice.

00:22:45.000 She is a movement.

00:22:46.000 You see what I'm saying?

00:22:47.000 It's in her DNA. This is just who she is.

00:22:49.000 She didn't change anything about her to cause the movement that she's causing.

00:22:54.000 She simply was brought up with incredible values and work ethic and capabilities, and she has the most incredible skill set and physical set of attributes that I've ever seen in an athlete.

00:23:05.000 Basically, she was just put in the octagon to do, and of course, the The precursors to that was her other titles that she won in previous events and whatnot.

00:23:16.000 Judo.

00:23:16.000 And even the events that she fought in before the UFC. But then she stepped in there and she was the first women's UFC fight.

00:23:23.000 Like I said, it wasn't even a choice.

00:23:25.000 It was just destiny for her.

00:23:26.000 And we're just lucky to be alive when it happened.

00:23:29.000 Like Hoist did his thing in the early 90s.

00:23:32.000 It'll never be undone.

00:23:33.000 It'll never be redone.

00:23:34.000 No one will ever redo what Hoist did for men's MMA. Right.

00:23:38.000 No one will ever redo what Ronda has done for one of his MMA, and it's cool to have been alive to witness both of these incredible movements.

00:23:45.000 Well, a question, because I actually was thinking of that comparison.

00:23:47.000 I mean, first of all, I don't think I'm offending Hoyce by saying, you know, Hoyce is nowhere near the elite level, like, athlete that Ronda is, because that was the whole point, right?

00:23:54.000 He wasn't crazy, intimidating, athletic.

00:23:56.000 He was an everyman who just had learned jiu-jitsu.

00:24:00.000 But at that same time, no one really knew it.

00:24:02.000 So he was just dominating those guys.

00:24:04.000 And the sport evolved, and you have the GSPs and the Anderson Silvas.

00:24:07.000 Do you think Ronda is kind of at that point where they're just...

00:24:10.000 I mean, she's so far and above.

00:24:12.000 She's leagues above everyone else where it's just like they don't even know what she knows.

00:24:17.000 She's too far advanced. 0.95

00:24:18.000 I mean, do you even see any real challenges for her coming up?

00:24:22.000 Yeah, I mean, it is tough, you know.

00:24:23.000 And it's comparable.

00:24:25.000 It's very comparable in the sense that...

00:24:27.000 What Hoist was to the athletic competitors or the other martial artists that he was up against, Ronda is to her competition.

00:24:35.000 It feels like that big of a gap in the sense that these women can't even compare to her. 0.66

00:24:40.000 And of course, that gap is created by several factors, the most significant of which is the fact that, you know, she's been, you know, 100 percent committed to martial arts, you know, via judo since as early as she can remember.

00:24:54.000 While most of the women who are fighting MMA today began training MMA, you know, not too long ago, five, six years ago, even eight years ago, 10 years ago. 1.00

00:25:02.000 You know, so Ronda is just it's just in her DNA.

00:25:05.000 And, you know, her mom was a world champion. 0.99

00:25:08.000 So it goes all the way back.

00:25:09.000 And she was kind of brought up around that.

00:25:11.000 My coach actually used to host them when they were in Michigan, or maybe he lived in Minnesota back then, I don't know, but he actually used to, like, they used to sleep at his house, and he talked about how just, like, nutty her mom was as far as just being so, just always on her about training.

00:25:26.000 Like, he said she was just like, she was really, you know, she made her train like no one else was making their kids train.

00:25:31.000 And Rhonda wanted it. 0.83

00:25:32.000 It is kind of incredible to see.

00:25:35.000 And obviously the only fight out there right now for her that people... 0.98

00:25:37.000 Sorry.

00:25:38.000 You never want to be a little an opponent, but Holly Holm... 1.00

00:25:40.000 I was having this debate with my friend, actually, Dana.

00:25:43.000 I think you've done it.

00:25:44.000 Dana Lash has another big radio show on her husband, and he was talking about Holly Holm because he's a boxer.

00:25:48.000 He's like, well, no one else knows what they're watching.

00:25:50.000 I've done a little bit of boxing.

00:25:51.000 I know a little bit what I'm seeing there.

00:25:53.000 It doesn't apply in MMA. If you look at Holly Holm, her stance in boxing where she won world titles... 1.00

00:25:58.000 It's not even remotely similar to the stance she takes in MMA when you have to defend the takedown. 0.65

00:26:02.000 The hands are down.

00:26:02.000 People go, that's terrible boxing.

00:26:03.000 The hands are down and the legs are way too wide. 0.98

00:26:06.000 Yeah, dummy.

00:26:07.000 They have to be because someone's trying to tackle you. 0.95

00:26:09.000 She fights Ronda Rousey. 1.00

00:26:11.000 All of her kicks are gone right away. 0.91

00:26:13.000 I can't see her.

00:26:14.000 Maybe a low kick. 0.55

00:26:15.000 So those tools are gone.

00:26:17.000 And then it comes down to hands.

00:26:18.000 And listen, they're women. 1.00

00:26:19.000 They don't knock people out generally as readily as heavyweight men, right?

00:26:23.000 I don't see any way she... 0.93

00:26:26.000 Wins that fight.

00:26:28.000 I'm almost not excited for it.

00:26:29.000 Do you feel Ronda runs that risk at some point, like Tyson, where people no longer buy the pay-per-views because no one has a shot?

00:26:37.000 I don't know, man.

00:26:38.000 People are buying pay-per-views.

00:26:39.000 I think even Tyson sold until the end there, so I don't know, man.

00:26:43.000 That's a compliment, but sometimes you can be too good for your own good.

00:26:46.000 It does become less of a...

00:26:51.000 Let's see if Ronda's going to win or not. 0.99

00:26:53.000 And it becomes more of a, let's see how and how quickly and how impressively.

00:26:57.000 And that's still impressive.

00:26:59.000 And it's still a challenge.

00:27:00.000 So it's Ronda versus Ronda in some regards.

00:27:02.000 It's Ronda versus herself.

00:27:04.000 And she can keep topping herself, keep getting better.

00:27:06.000 And there's no doubt that based on what people have seen and what Ronda is demonstrating is that she's evolving every single fight.

00:27:14.000 So I think the excitement now is more, let's see how big of a gap in Ronda You know, in progress, Ronda has made since her last fight.

00:27:22.000 So I think that can be the hype.

00:27:23.000 That can be what people are excited to watch.

00:27:25.000 And with someone that good, the question is always, can she get any better?

00:27:28.000 And the answer is she is.

00:27:29.000 She's doing it every single day.

00:27:30.000 So if not for the challenge of whether she's going to win or lose, people will buy, I think, and people are always going to be excited because...

00:27:37.000 She isn't going there just to win.

00:27:39.000 She goes in there to outdo herself every single time. 0.96

00:27:43.000 It's like you can put anybody on the other side and we just want to see Ronda do Ronda.

00:27:47.000 That's what people are intrigued by.

00:27:48.000 That's why she's become this international superstar on multiple fronts.

00:27:51.000 It's because they're just impressed with her as a person, as an athlete, and as a leader of a movement.

00:27:58.000 Yeah, and the cyborg thing is obviously the one in the wings that people are talking about.

00:28:04.000 Firstly, okay, let me ask you this, because you obviously, you know, Metamorris, you work with Brennan Shubb.

00:28:08.000 I have to ask you, is there any awkwardness since they dated and they don't date?

00:28:12.000 It's all over.

00:28:12.000 It's not a secret.

00:28:13.000 Everyone knows about that.

00:28:14.000 Is there any awkwardness for you guys?

00:28:16.000 Like, do they come in at separate times?

00:28:17.000 You have to keep them in different wings?

00:28:19.000 No, there's no awkwardness, and they're both professionals, and they're both grown individuals, and they're both great friends of ours, and life goes on.

00:28:24.000 Jiu-Jitsu all the way.

00:28:26.000 There you go. 1.00

00:28:27.000 You have to answer it to make me seem like an immature ass. 0.99

00:28:31.000 Going a little Ariel Helvani in there. 0.99

00:28:33.000 Let me get the backroom drama.

00:28:36.000 The Cyborg thing, it's one of those where I go back and forth.

00:28:40.000 This is going to be incredibly insulting towards Cyborg, so my apologies, but sorry, not sorry.

00:28:45.000 If you watched the way when she was competing at, I think it was Abu Dhabi Purple, or was it Worlds that she won?

00:28:50.000 Did she win Abu Dhabi Purple or Worlds?

00:28:52.000 I don't recall.

00:28:54.000 You know how she won it?

00:28:55.000 It was by being overwhelmingly stronger.

00:28:58.000 Literally, it was just like suplex, suplex, suplex.

00:29:00.000 It wasn't finesse.

00:29:01.000 It wasn't like Ronda.

00:29:01.000 Ronda's very strong, but her technique is, for people who don't understand, is superb.

00:29:06.000 I mean, you'll be the first to notice that.

00:29:07.000 Her technique with her throws is just unreal.

00:29:10.000 Those are so hard to do.

00:29:12.000 But that's how Cyborg won.

00:29:14.000 If you watch her grappling tournaments, if you watch her, you know, she pulled Mount under Gina Carano twice, usually seems to really overpower opponents. 1.00

00:29:23.000 Ronda was willing to fight her.

00:29:24.000 A lot of people don't realize this.

00:29:25.000 Ronda said, okay, I'll win the 135.

00:29:26.000 We'll unify it.

00:29:27.000 It'll be like the first female super fight, right? 1.00

00:29:29.000 Then she pops for steroids. 1.00

00:29:31.000 That's what ran that train off.

00:29:33.000 So a lot of people now say Ronda's ducking Cyborg because she's calling her down to a division.

00:29:37.000 Um...

00:29:38.000 Does Rhonda ever get bothered by that? 1.00

00:29:41.000 Or do you as her trainer where there are people out there saying, oh, she's ducking because they don't really have the full story?

00:29:47.000 Because, I mean, that's like the big fight that people want to see, right, for her before her retirement is Cyborg. 1.00

00:29:53.000 Sure.

00:29:54.000 And, you know, Rhonda's been very vocal about her stance on the whole thing.

00:29:54.000 Yeah.

00:29:59.000 And one thing you learn about Rhonda real quickly is that what she says is exactly what she means.

00:30:04.000 Right.

00:30:04.000 And you don't have to read between the lines with her at all.

00:30:07.000 Straight up.

00:30:07.000 And if she said she was down to do a super fight before, she meant it.

00:30:11.000 And if she said that, that's crazy.

00:30:12.000 Now that she's popping drugs and that she got popped for steroids, that makes no sense because she's cheating. 1.00

00:30:17.000 Then she also means that.

00:30:19.000 And if she says, I'll fight her, no question.

00:30:21.000 If she fights me and she passed the test and she makes 135, I'm waiting right here.

00:30:26.000 So I think it's a very fair thing.

00:30:27.000 I think that it's been interesting to see Chris build up the cyborg buildup Like trying to pull Ronda out of her weight class.

00:30:37.000 But, you know, Ronda said it very clearly.

00:30:38.000 I think it was actually Dana who said it.

00:30:40.000 She said, the champion doesn't need to chase anyone. 0.92

00:30:42.000 I'm sitting right here.

00:30:42.000 I have the belt.

00:30:43.000 There's no 145 pound division in the UFC. I'm the champion.

00:30:47.000 If you want this belt, this honor, and to ultimately, you know, carry this title, you got to come to me.

00:30:53.000 Why am I going to leave my chair to go chase you?

00:30:55.000 I have what you want.

00:30:56.000 Come get me.

00:30:57.000 Come make the weight.

00:30:58.000 And I think it's possible.

00:30:58.000 Do it healthily.

00:31:00.000 Her nutritionist says that she's working in that direction and I think that it's never been so close.

00:31:04.000 I think that it gets to a certain point where Cyborg realizes that all of the trash talking and all of the poking and prodding doesn't really do much.

00:31:12.000 It's not going to get her anywhere and it's certainly not going to get her anywhere near...

00:31:17.000 Where she would get if she committed to making the weight, lost the weight, and actually did the fight. 0.54

00:31:22.000 That would be the biggest fight of her career.

00:31:24.000 Probably the biggest fight of Rhonda's career up until this point, no doubt. 0.98

00:31:28.000 My first advice as her nutritionist would be stop injecting the bull testosterone. 0.99

00:31:34.000 That would be my first advice.

00:31:35.000 That would be my Mike Dolce guru-ness.

00:31:37.000 But hey, listen, you know all those drugs you're taking?

00:31:39.000 Let's start with ditching those and you'll see the weight.

00:31:42.000 Sorry, you hear that dog barking.

00:31:44.000 Have you ever met Rhonda's dog, Mocha?

00:31:47.000 I haven't met her.

00:31:48.000 Same kind of dog.

00:31:49.000 It's a dog of Argentino.

00:31:50.000 All white, giant thing that's barking because my wife just came home. 1.00

00:31:54.000 Beautiful.

00:31:55.000 In Cyborg's defense, I think she passed her last drug test, her last fight.

00:31:59.000 So she's like, whatever.

00:32:02.000 No, listen.

00:32:02.000 Here's the deal, man.

00:32:03.000 Here's the deal.

00:32:03.000 And you're being such a diplomat about this.

00:32:06.000 I'm sorry.

00:32:07.000 I know as...

00:32:08.000 You've never been a huge...

00:32:09.000 You're about, what, 205, 210?

00:32:12.000 $1.95.

00:32:13.000 $1.95, good lord, because you've got a big frame.

00:32:15.000 If you weren't a vegan, you'd be huge.

00:32:17.000 So there's a guy who walks around right now at 2.30.

00:32:19.000 I'm not a vegan, just to be clear.

00:32:22.000 I'm totally honest.

00:32:24.000 You're a vegetarian.

00:32:26.000 I'm a Gracie, bro.

00:32:27.000 Life goes on.

00:32:28.000 Okay, alright, alright.

00:32:29.000 I don't want to misrepresent you.

00:32:31.000 That's the perception then, the Henergy sandwich.

00:32:35.000 When I think of you, I always think of the Henergy sandwich.

00:32:37.000 I picture you just coming out of the womb with an avocado.

00:32:40.000 Boom, let's make it happen.

00:32:41.000 Well, isn't a energy sandwich, it has eggs in it, and isn't eggs non-vegan?

00:32:46.000 Does it have eggs in it?

00:32:48.000 Yeah, bro.

00:32:49.000 3.0.

00:32:49.000 You got to check out the latest YouTube video.

00:32:52.000 Google it.

00:32:52.000 Energy Sandwich 3.0.

00:32:54.000 All right.

00:32:54.000 I'm sorry.

00:32:55.000 I didn't mean to slight you by implying that you were a vegan.

00:32:58.000 But as someone who's done a lot of strength training as well, I mean, you know, we've had Mark Ripto on here who's like you for strength training.

00:33:04.000 And he'll be like, ah, jiu-jitsu, don't do that.

00:33:06.000 And then you guys will be like, the other camp, like, don't do strength training.

00:33:09.000 I fall somewhere in the middle.

00:33:11.000 Once you build up a base with steroids, you don't lose it.

00:33:14.000 That's the thing.

00:33:15.000 Sorry, once you do it, and it's the same reason the Fallon Fox thing, for example.

00:33:19.000 A lot of people don't understand this.

00:33:21.000 For those I'm sure you know, you've probably had Fallon Fox on your radar because there's a chance that if she gets into the UFC, you know, would fight Ronda Rousey. 0.99

00:33:27.000 The hormonal advantage of a man over a woman is so monumental. 0.96

00:33:32.000 And then when you alter that as a woman with steroids, I mean, you're talking at like 10 to 1 difference of testosterone. 0.94

00:33:37.000 it's such a huge, it's a much bigger factor in women's MMA than men's MMA. 0.99

00:33:42.000 It's also much more dangerous for women. 0.99

00:33:46.000 So for Cyborg to do that, it's not even the same as, you know, like Anderson Silva getting popped, you know, fighting someone like Chael who also got popped.

00:33:53.000 Don't worry, he's a friend, he's been on the show.

00:33:55.000 It's a huge difference.

00:33:57.000 And so if I were Ronda, yeah, I'd twist that knife a little bit too.

00:34:00.000 I think there's a little bit of mental warfare there where she doesn't think, and I could be wrong, but I think I've heard her say things.

00:34:06.000 She doesn't think that maybe Cyborg is that confident, you know, coming down without some enhancements.

00:34:11.000 Yeah, I'm with that.

00:34:13.000 And I, you know, that seems like it could be true.

00:34:16.000 And I think Rhonda's 100% down. 1.00

00:34:18.000 She wants the fight. 1.00

00:34:19.000 She just wants to do it, you know, fair and safe and, you know, and go for it.

00:34:22.000 But I think Rhonda's very confident, and I'm confident that Rhonda would win the fight. 1.00

00:34:26.000 It just has to be done on an even playing field.

00:34:29.000 This is true.

00:34:30.000 So you're married now.

00:34:30.000 You're going to have a baby.

00:34:32.000 Yeah.

00:34:33.000 A couple weeks from now, newest little Gracie family member.

00:34:36.000 So we're super stoked.

00:34:37.000 First one.

00:34:39.000 And, yeah, I've been helping a lot of people raise their kids by teaching them jiu-jitsu and giving them confidence and bully-proofing other people's kids.

00:34:46.000 And we'll see if all the training paid off and I can do it on my own and do a good job, you know?

00:34:52.000 So it's pretty cool.

00:34:53.000 You know, my favorite part about it is I get to be a white belt again and start as something completely fresh that I have known nothing about.

00:34:59.000 And be able to learn a new thing, right?

00:35:01.000 You get good at what you're good at, right?

00:35:04.000 And you kind of stick to the things that you're good at.

00:35:05.000 And it's not often that we get to start something completely new.

00:35:08.000 And I get to feel like one of my beginner jujitsu students who's completely upside down in techniques.

00:35:12.000 For the first time, I'm going to come home with a baby and not know how to put the diaper on.

00:35:16.000 And it's going to be interesting. 0.98

00:35:19.000 I don't think you're going to be that inept. 0.95

00:35:20.000 You make it sound like you're Michael Keaton, Mr. 0.99

00:35:23.000 Mom, like a Disney cover.

00:35:24.000 I don't know what to do!

00:35:26.000 I'm sure you'll be fine.

00:35:27.000 You've had, what, like 125 boys in the Gracie family?

00:35:31.000 There's a lot, yeah.

00:35:32.000 There's a lot of boys.

00:35:34.000 Were you pretty confident you were going to have a boy?

00:35:36.000 I mean, it just seems to work.

00:35:37.000 No, no, no.

00:35:38.000 It's not even...

00:35:39.000 Yeah, it got to the point where...

00:35:41.000 Well, it's interesting.

00:35:42.000 Growing up, you always think like, oh, Gracie family, we need to have boys, more boys, boys, boys.

00:35:46.000 Number one, mission accomplished, right?

00:35:47.000 The world knows jiu-jitsu.

00:35:49.000 UFC was created.

00:35:51.000 A whole bunch of people got choked out and we arrived at...

00:35:54.000 Jiu-jitsu is essentially the new karate.

00:35:57.000 It's the art that everyone knows about.

00:35:59.000 Everyone should be learning.

00:36:00.000 Everyone wants their kids to learn.

00:36:01.000 It's the new martial art.

00:36:03.000 But the difference between this and what...

00:36:04.000 You know, came before it.

00:36:05.000 It actually works and is actually effective for self-defense.

00:36:10.000 See what you just did there?

00:36:12.000 You just did exactly what I did, but you did it in a way that seems nicer.

00:36:15.000 I said like, ah, it's BS. These crap, my guy, guys come in and threaten it. 0.99

00:36:18.000 And like, you just, you say nothing and you make me look like a dick. 1.00

00:36:20.000 And then you're like, you know, something that actually works. 0.97

00:36:23.000 We all know what you're implying.

00:36:24.000 You're just No, the truth is that the funny part is this.

00:36:27.000 I have, you know, karate does work.

00:36:29.000 Everything works for what it was designed for, right?

00:36:31.000 One of my best buddies is, Lyoto Machida is one of my best friends.

00:36:34.000 And when it comes to knocking someone out, there's one of the top guys in the whole world because of his whole life of karate.

00:36:40.000 When I say Jiu Jitsu is the best martial art, or when I say it actually works, what I mean is that for a very specific circumstance, which is what?

00:36:47.000 A smaller person against a larger opponent, And a larger opponent who basically is going to tackle you and punch your face into the pavement.

00:36:55.000 So it's a very specific situation.

00:36:56.000 And for that situation, no martial art can give the promise that jiu-jitsu can.

00:37:00.000 And that's where my passion comes from.

00:37:02.000 Not from, you know, I guess deflating the capabilities or the utility of other martial arts.

00:37:09.000 Because for what they were designed for, every martial art is perfect.

00:37:12.000 It's just that when you think about a real fight, which is most likely to go to the ground, jiu-jitsu prevails.

00:37:16.000 But anyways, I'm excited to be a white belt.

00:37:19.000 And, you know, having kids and...

00:37:20.000 Well, Lyoto was interesting because he...

00:37:23.000 I mean, a big part...

00:37:23.000 Listen, he's talked about it.

00:37:25.000 What allows him to open up his strikes, right?

00:37:26.000 He's being pretty confident on the ground.

00:37:28.000 Sumo, too, he's trained, which a lot of people don't, you know, know is a legit, you know, grappling martial art.

00:37:34.000 I mean, talk about a guy who's just impressive, Lyoto.

00:37:36.000 I mean, the guy is just...

00:37:37.000 His timing is second to none.

00:37:39.000 But, you know, the reason it matters to me is the same thing when you're talking about bullyproofing kids.

00:37:43.000 I think I've told this story before.

00:37:44.000 I told you maybe off air.

00:37:46.000 My dad really wanted to get us in jiu-jitsu.

00:37:48.000 I mean, I was bullied really badly, right?

00:37:50.000 Picture this, okay?

00:37:51.000 So you're a proud Brazilian, right?

00:37:52.000 Well, I was raised in Quebec, French Quebec.

00:37:55.000 And I'm American.

00:37:56.000 And my dad actually had this...

00:37:57.000 And if you don't want to hear the story, you can just hang up and tell me.

00:37:59.000 It's boring.

00:38:00.000 But this is true.

00:38:00.000 I was really, really bullied a lot.

00:38:02.000 And I was always hard-headed.

00:38:04.000 But my dad realized, wait, we're in French Canada.

00:38:06.000 My sons have to go to French school.

00:38:08.000 They're taking Canadian history.

00:38:10.000 You know, they're not going to know who's on the $20 bill unless I teach them.

00:38:14.000 They're never going to know about America and their roots.

00:38:16.000 And so he always taught us that, you know, national anthem.

00:38:19.000 He wanted us to be proud to be American.

00:38:21.000 Also because there's a rampant anti-American sentiment when you're in French Canada. 1.00

00:38:25.000 And so I would go in and I would have teachers and kids tell me how America sucked and all Americans were stupid and fat and had too many guns, right? 1.00

00:38:33.000 This is what I was hearing. 1.00

00:38:34.000 And so I'd be like, no, you know, it really hurt me as a kid. 1.00

00:38:36.000 So I'd stand up for it and then eventually get my ass kicked. 0.99

00:38:39.000 It's usually how it ended up going. 0.99

00:38:41.000 And so my dad put us in the martial arts.

00:38:43.000 There's a guy who taught karate and he taught, you know, Aikikai, Kenpo, Jitsudo.

00:38:47.000 One of those things was just, you know, made up.

00:38:49.000 And then finally he had seen the UFCs.

00:38:52.000 This might have been 94 or 95.

00:38:55.000 So Hoyce, I know, came in in 93 and he said, hey, jujitsu, this is what you have to do.

00:38:58.000 I said, I signed you up for jujitsu at the St.

00:39:02.000 Lambert Community Center.

00:39:03.000 Well, we show up.

00:39:05.000 And the guy who's teaching it is the same guy who taught the Aikakai Jutsu.

00:39:08.000 It wasn't Jiu-Jitsu.

00:39:09.000 It was Jiu-Jitsu-do, something that he had made up.

00:39:12.000 And the first thing he tried to sell us were these little glass batons for your keychain, like weapons.

00:39:18.000 And so he tried to.

00:39:20.000 We just didn't have access to it. 1.00

00:39:22.000 And I just got my ass kicked. 0.99

00:39:24.000 And I wish that I knew then what I learned later as an adult when I cut through the BS. And my first instructor was a guy named Fabricio Medici. 0.99

00:39:32.000 No, actually, it wasn't.

00:39:33.000 Actually, I learned it in high school.

00:39:34.000 I did judo with a guy named Catalan Guica, who was a Romanian champ, and then jiu-jitsu was later on.

00:39:40.000 And I just wish I knew that as a kid.

00:39:42.000 And so I hate it. 0.95

00:39:43.000 It's not so much that I'm mad at other martial arts, but when they lie to kids and they equip them to go get their butts kicked, that's what happened to me, you know? 0.94

00:39:50.000 They would tell me, like, you tell that bully that he's only... 0.63

00:39:53.000 This isn't a martial arts class.

00:39:54.000 You tell him that that bully is only bullying you because he really needs to work on himself.

00:39:59.000 Like... 0.99

00:40:00.000 I'll do that and get the crap kicked out of me because I didn't know how to defend myself. 0.98

00:40:04.000 Right. 0.98

00:40:05.000 So that's where the frustration comes from.

00:40:07.000 You must get that all the time, right?

00:40:08.000 People come into you who are like, hey, listen, I don't know what to teach my kids.

00:40:11.000 Someone told me you know what you're doing, right?

00:40:13.000 And they just drop them off.

00:40:14.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:40:15.000 And people fly across the country.

00:40:17.000 We just finished maybe three weeks ago.

00:40:19.000 We had our summer annual bully-proof camp and 120 kids from all across the country, 80% were out of state.

00:40:24.000 And they come in for one week and the parents are there and like, you know, whether they've seen a YouTube video that we've done some work or whatever, it's, you know, for us, man, jujitsu actually works.

00:40:33.000 It's the perfect solution for kids.

00:40:36.000 Why?

00:40:36.000 Number one, it works.

00:40:37.000 If you get attacked, you can defend yourself.

00:40:39.000 And at the very least, even with only one week of training, you can at least shut the bully down, hold on and not get beat up.

00:40:46.000 Not get hurt.

00:40:47.000 And then principal breaks up the fight and both of you go to the office and you're not bloody or going to the hospital.

00:40:51.000 That's the best victory.

00:40:53.000 Number one.

00:40:54.000 Number two is that if the bully attacks and the jiu-jitsu practitioner is able to overcome the bully with their techniques that we teach them, they're never going to hit the bully.

00:41:03.000 They're going to control themselves, so it's restraint.

00:41:04.000 And we teach the kids that you don't have to punch the bully in the face.

00:41:08.000 You just immobilize them, neutralize them, and wait until help arrives.

00:41:11.000 So we're not creating bullies.

00:41:13.000 We're just putting on fire with water, so to speak.

00:41:15.000 And then number three, above everything else, is a child's ability to...

00:41:19.000 Because what will happen is a kid comes home scuffed up on the playground.

00:41:22.000 Okay, dad, dad, kid, push me today and trip me while PE. What's the dad going to say?

00:41:26.000 Hey, go back up to that kid and punch him in the face. 1.00

00:41:29.000 Or at least go back up to him and tell him, you know, don't ever do that again. 0.99

00:41:32.000 The problem is asking a kid...

00:41:34.000 Take that dress off. 1.00

00:41:36.000 Asking a kid to assert themselves to a bully, physically or verbally, whatever the parent is inclined to recommend to their child, asking a kid to assert themselves to a bully without teaching them the physical techniques to back it up is like asking someone to go...

00:41:54.000 Learn how to surf.

00:41:55.000 Like, hey, I'll teach you how to surf without first teaching him how to swim.

00:41:57.000 It's not smart.

00:41:59.000 You can't tell a kid to go punch a kid in the face and not expect him to know anything in response to what if the kid retaliates.

00:42:04.000 So learning Jiu Jitsu is essentially the foundation that gives any child the ability to walk tall, have good eye contact, assert themselves, and ultimately prevent violence before it takes place because, you know, we would say learning how to fight so you never have to.

00:42:17.000 That's the core of Racy Bullyproof.

00:42:19.000 It's the core of Jiu Jitsu even for adults.

00:42:21.000 The more you learn how to fight, the more jujitsu you learn, the less likely you are to ever have to use it because you become so composed, so calm, and so assertive in how you deal with people that you're not very much on edge.

00:42:32.000 You're not uneasy.

00:42:33.000 You're not unconfident.

00:42:34.000 You're just ready to handle whatever comes your way.

00:42:36.000 And people can sense that.

00:42:37.000 It's like, man, either this guy has a gun or he's a jujitsu practitioner.

00:42:42.000 I can't tell which one, but he seems like he's got his act together.

00:42:45.000 I don't want to mess with him.

00:42:47.000 And that's the vibe you want to put off.

00:42:48.000 No, you're absolutely right.

00:42:49.000 It's funny that you say – and jujitsu created that awareness too when I was at that union incident in Michigan.

00:42:54.000 The footage people didn't see was several guys following me to my car making threats.

00:42:59.000 Now, I looked and this guy was – I mean you've met – I'm a pretty big guy.

00:43:03.000 This guy is maybe about 5'6", maybe about 130 pounds. 0.99

00:43:07.000 And he's following me and he's threatening me and saying he's going to kick my ass to my car. 0.98

00:43:10.000 Now, if I hadn't done jujitsu, right, and my ego wasn't in check, I'd go, this little guy, I mean, listen, I could just throw him, choke him, easy. 0.99

00:43:17.000 But I'm going, why is this guy, 130 pounds, stepping up to me, 225, threatening to kick my ass? 0.99

00:43:24.000 Probably is armed. 1.00

00:43:25.000 Usually, that's the case.

00:43:27.000 He was very aggressive, shoving me, getting in my way when I tried to leave and walk to my car.

00:43:32.000 And I said, hey, can you just walk in front of me?

00:43:35.000 Say whatever you want.

00:43:36.000 Don't walk behind me.

00:43:37.000 Getting in my face.

00:43:38.000 And that was because...

00:43:39.000 I knew, okay, there's something going on.

00:43:41.000 This is not what usually happens in a situation like this.

00:43:44.000 And it wouldn't have happened if my ego weren't in check.

00:43:46.000 I think that's a big thing that's so important, too, about jiu-jitsu.

00:43:49.000 You get them every now and then, but it's really rare to get a guy come in with an unhealthy ego who is just snapping partners up.

00:43:57.000 Do you ever get those guys there in L.A. and you have to kick them out?

00:44:01.000 Yes.

00:44:02.000 Well, here's the thing.

00:44:03.000 One of two things happens when you get an aggressive personality to come to a jiu-jitsu class, right?

00:44:09.000 Because the mat doesn't lie.

00:44:10.000 When you get there, you can have the biggest ego in the world, but literally in one class, I'll have compressed it down to the size of like a walnut and we'll just put it in a corner because you're going to feel right away that all that ego means nothing if you don't know jujitsu.

00:44:25.000 Like straight up, you're just completely helpless in a fight without these techniques.

00:44:29.000 So you can come in as tough and aggressive as you want.

00:44:31.000 We're able to compress that and just say, hey, calm down, bro.

00:44:34.000 And then right away, one of two things happens.

00:44:35.000 Either A, they flip out and they're upset that their ego and that their pride has been challenged and they can't accept that their perceived sense of themselves, the story that they've been telling themselves for the last 25 years of their lives, is completely falsified and untrue.

00:44:51.000 So they kind of freak out and they never show up again.

00:44:53.000 The other people, more commonly, 95%, even if they came in with an attitude, after one or two classes, suddenly they're the most humble, most respectful, most in love with jiu-jitsu, transformative, It's environment that we have going into the Gracie Academy and most jujitsu schools around the world.

00:45:10.000 Bottom line is that ego cannot survive and cannot flourish in an environment where it's constantly being checked throughout those white and blue belt years where you basically don't know anything and you're basically being toyed with by more advanced students.

00:45:23.000 There's no space for the unhealthy ego there.

00:45:26.000 It just doesn't flourish, especially at the Gracie Academy where there's an It's an environment of servitude, respect, and discipline to really make sure that those unhealthy egos are not able, there's no foundation for them to even grow.

00:45:55.000 Full disclosure, I had an instructor who was sandbagging a little bit, because he knew I could compete, and he never gave me my blue belt at this point.

00:46:02.000 At this point, I'm a starched white belt, and I had to win a tournament to get a blue belt.

00:46:06.000 So I'm a white belt, and this guy's a three-stripe purple, but I've been a white belt for several years, and I was doing it six times a week.

00:46:11.000 And I tapped this purple belt guy, a guy named James Moore.

00:46:14.000 Hi, James.

00:46:14.000 And he got really mad.

00:46:17.000 And so then he went harder and then I went harder because I'm the white belt, right?

00:46:21.000 He's a purple.

00:46:21.000 I'm like, well, it's not your job.

00:46:22.000 So then I went harder and he went harder.

00:46:23.000 And then we get up and we just started yelling, like frothing at the mouth, you know, because he was going hard and I was going hard.

00:46:28.000 We're like, okay, so we were fighting.

00:46:30.000 You want to fight?

00:46:31.000 Let's go outside.

00:46:32.000 And then afterward he called and said, listen, man, you know, the truth is I'm, you know, you're a white belt and I'm a several striped purple.

00:46:38.000 And I honestly, like I was just, it was ego and I've been having a bad week.

00:46:42.000 And I said, you know, also as a Christian, I said, you know, it's my job to humble myself and ask for forgiveness.

00:46:46.000 And I said, my temper got the better of me.

00:46:47.000 And now he's super close with my dad.

00:46:49.000 We roll, as a matter of fact, to the point where we roll, if it gets intense, we'll laugh and be like, you want to go outside?

00:46:54.000 You know, and laugh.

00:46:54.000 And then he chokes me.

00:46:55.000 You know what I mean?

00:46:55.000 It's such a healthy relationship because it's so hard to hate somebody when you're that intimate with them.

00:47:01.000 And it's experiences, I think, that if people haven't done it, they can't really understand.

00:47:08.000 I don't know.

00:47:09.000 There's no doubt about it.

00:47:11.000 No, but it's the truth.

00:47:13.000 You stated the truth.

00:47:14.000 And I think that until you train jujitsu, you don't realize how quick and how intimate and how real that bond is, man.

00:47:20.000 And people come in from all over the world.

00:47:22.000 I've never met them before.

00:47:23.000 They show up.

00:47:24.000 We share the love for jujitsu.

00:47:26.000 We do a class together.

00:47:27.000 We train for an hour.

00:47:28.000 And I feel like We know each other.

00:47:30.000 I feel like, man, you want to come over?

00:47:31.000 You want to stay at my house?

00:47:33.000 You want to have lunch?

00:47:34.000 It's family after that.

00:47:36.000 It's so crazy.

00:47:37.000 It's so funny.

00:47:38.000 It's so strong that you start to see someone wearing a jiu-jitsu t-shirt and just by seeing someone wearing a t-shirt, you feel like you already know them.

00:47:46.000 You're like, hey, what's up, my friend?

00:47:48.000 Where do you train?

00:47:49.000 It's crazy.

00:47:50.000 There's really nothing else that's like that.

00:47:52.000 You don't see someone wearing an NBA t-shirt.

00:47:54.000 Hey, man, where do you ball?

00:47:56.000 It doesn't happen.

00:47:56.000 With jiu-jitsu, though, it's a very interesting culture.

00:47:59.000 It's a very interesting family.

00:48:00.000 It doesn't matter who you train with.

00:48:02.000 If you train jiu-jitsu, you still feel like, man, there's a bond.

00:48:04.000 We've been through much of the same.

00:48:06.000 And I think that's one thing that holds us all together.

00:48:08.000 And it's also why it's so easy to sniff out fakes.

00:48:11.000 You know, they're also like, oh, I'm a black belt, Nike, Kai, Jitsudo.

00:48:14.000 Oh, really?

00:48:14.000 Under who, Bob?

00:48:15.000 In jiu-jitsu, if guys are like, I'm a black belt, I can ask a few questions and figure out if it's legit pretty quickly.

00:48:21.000 Because it's not easy to do.

00:48:22.000 You know what I mean?

00:48:22.000 It's like, who gave it to you?

00:48:23.000 Well, I remember one time I had a guy tell me he was a black belt in jiu-jitsu.

00:48:29.000 And I said, oh, really?

00:48:29.000 Under who?

00:48:30.000 He goes, well, Guy Mesker.

00:48:31.000 Now, Guy Mesker's my dad's gym where he trains.

00:48:34.000 Guy Mesker's a brown belt.

00:48:35.000 And he's like, I'm not a black belt.

00:48:37.000 He just won brown belt worlds and masters.

00:48:38.000 Guy Mesker, like, he's totally healthy ego.

00:48:40.000 He's like, no, I've never promoted anyone to black belt in jiu-jitsu.

00:48:43.000 He's like, it's completely wrong.

00:48:44.000 And I just kind of played it off my spoken last time.

00:48:46.000 Yeah, so how's it going?

00:48:48.000 You know, that black belt under guy, right? 0.99

00:48:50.000 He's like, oh yeah, man, you know, I'm just, I'm going for my second stripe.

00:48:53.000 It's just so easy to trace because it's such a small knit community.

00:48:58.000 Do you ever get guys coming in and doing that?

00:48:59.000 Like, oh man, I'm a black belt.

00:49:01.000 It's like made up.

00:49:03.000 No, not so.

00:49:04.000 Not at the Gracie Academy, but I think that's like...

00:49:07.000 That's just too much.

00:49:08.000 Come on.

00:49:09.000 Like, you can get away with that, like, in a small town in Texas, but not here in Torrance, like, where this thing is kind of the center of movement.

00:49:16.000 And we know everyone.

00:49:17.000 We can do anyone in lineage.

00:49:23.000 So, no, it doesn't happen.

00:49:25.000 It seems like we have videos on some people and kind of come about different news stories.

00:49:29.000 Right.

00:49:30.000 All right.

00:49:31.000 Well, we're losing your connection there, and you want to go back because your missus is going to have a baby soon, and you have way more important things than this.

00:49:37.000 Henner, thank you so much.

00:49:38.000 We have to have you back on.

00:49:39.000 You're good with the news.

00:49:40.000 You're good with it.

00:49:41.000 You should stick with it.

00:49:43.000 You're good with this stuff.

00:49:47.000 I'm not hearing you.

00:49:51.000 I'm not hearing you, but it's going away.

00:49:53.000 So thank you, Henner Gracie, and appreciate it.

00:49:55.000 We'll have you on sometime soon.

00:49:57.000 Good-looking guy, 195, not a vegan.

00:50:00.000 My apologies, Henner Gracie.

00:50:02.000 We'll see you next week.

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