Louder with Crowder - Rhett & Link Get Woke | MASS MONDAY | Louder with Crowder

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00:01:27.000 It is, yeah.

00:01:28.000 I don't want to be doing two-a-days for the rest of my life.

00:01:30.000 Who am I, Terrell Owens?

00:01:31.000 No.

00:01:32.000 I'm not your rubber band man.

00:01:33.000 Did you know that?

00:01:34.000 He was known as rubber band man.

00:01:35.000 Really?

00:01:35.000 Yeah.

00:01:35.000 Why is that?

00:01:36.000 Because he used rubber bands.

00:01:37.000 This, for people who do not know, that's all I know.

00:01:41.000 I saw an advertisement for Body Elastics and they said, meet Terrell Owens, the rubber band man.

00:01:45.000 And he came in and said, I am the rubber band man.

00:01:49.000 Body Elastics.

00:01:50.000 That was it.

00:01:51.000 And I bought them.

00:01:53.000 Wow.

00:01:53.000 And I gave them to a housekeeper.

00:01:56.000 Not my housekeeper.

00:01:57.000 I can't afford a housekeeper. 1.00

00:01:58.000 Somebody else's.

00:01:58.000 But I gave the Terrell Owens-endorsed body-elastic bands to a housekeeper of others' houses.

00:02:05.000 Homes.

00:02:06.000 Speaking of which, I should probably clean up my own house first and get an order.

00:02:09.000 We do this often.

00:02:10.000 I think every other Monday.

00:02:11.000 It's been typically a mass Monday.

00:02:12.000 We've talked about horror films in the past.

00:02:15.000 Taking on some issues.

00:02:16.000 You know, as everyone here is a Christian, some people come from different denominations, different walks.

00:02:22.000 If you don't like it, I get it.

00:02:23.000 You're a 2007 YouTube atheist.

00:02:26.000 You just read Hitchens.

00:02:27.000 I get it.

00:02:27.000 Flying Spaghetti Monster.

00:02:28.000 Super interesting.

00:02:29.000 It's so interesting.

00:02:30.000 But this is... Was that Hitchens or was it Dawkins?

00:02:34.000 I don't remember the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

00:02:36.000 I don't know why I say monster.

00:02:38.000 Like it's Herman Spaghetti Monster.

00:02:39.000 It's not Herman.

00:02:41.000 That's for sure.

00:02:42.000 Actually, we do want to talk about something because it's been making the rounds on YouTube throughout the whole sort of YouTube blogosphere.

00:02:47.000 And you brought this to my attention, Audio Wade.

00:02:49.000 Yeah.

00:02:50.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:02:51.000 You said, hey, I would like to maybe do a podcast yourself on Explain.

00:02:57.000 Yeah, so the Rhett and Link, famous on YouTube, I think they have like 16 million subscribers, recently came out, did a couple of videos about their spiritual deconstruction, is the word that they've used.

00:03:08.000 That's the new term.

00:03:09.000 It's the woke term.

00:03:10.000 It's very cool.

00:03:11.000 So cool.

00:03:13.000 So yeah, they did a couple of episodes on that, each one about an hour and 45 minutes, just going through their stories of basically how they lost their faith.

00:03:19.000 Right.

00:03:20.000 And they came from very different points of view on that.

00:03:24.000 But yeah, that's and I thought that warranted at least a response.

00:03:28.000 Well, I think it warranted a response because, and I wanna be really clear, as a Christian, obviously, we wanna speak to these people, everyone who's in this boat, out of love, compassion, we care, of course.

00:03:38.000 And Christians, we all believe that our worldview is correct, namely because we also want what's best for people.

00:03:43.000 And obviously, creating distance between yourself and God, we don't view as being best for you.

00:03:47.000 No, he doesn't have the coronavirus.

00:03:48.000 He does not need social distancing.

00:03:50.000 Now, that being said, I also think, based on what we've, and we'll get to some clips here, based on what we've been watching, Um, that sometimes these people also need to be intellectually challenged, not emotionally coddled.

00:04:04.000 Uh, so I think that's pretty important here.

00:04:06.000 And there were a lot of questions that were sort of asked that weren't really answered.

00:04:10.000 And this is a big thing that you see the term deconstruction.

00:04:12.000 That's sort of the terminology that's used a lot now from these, uh, really sort of the, like freedom from religion foundation.

00:04:17.000 I don't know if they use it exactly, but a lot of these places.

00:04:19.000 So just someone leaving the faith.

00:04:22.000 So let's set up the context before we get into some of these arguments.

00:04:24.000 And I want to, by the way, hear from everyone out there, since this isn't only Mud Club right now.

00:04:29.000 We're doing a live chat.

00:04:29.000 We've been doing live chats all week.

00:04:30.000 But in the comments section, let us know if you've ever had a crisis of faith, or how you maintain faith, or what your worldview is as a Christian.

00:04:37.000 Because sometimes I just go, oh, that's a different perspective.

00:04:40.000 And then sometimes it dumbfounds me.

00:04:42.000 I'm a Christian, but I sacrifice goats in the Temple of the Dead.

00:04:46.000 I'm like, whoa, that's a little strange.

00:04:47.000 That's a bit of a niche.

00:04:48.000 They're just Swedish. 0.70

00:04:50.000 It's confusing.

00:04:52.000 It's a very weird place.

00:04:54.000 It's a very, very weird place.

00:04:56.000 So before we continue, and yeah, this might be a little bit, I don't want to say scholarly, there'll still be dick jokes, but let's go for context to Rhett and Link explaining it off the bat, why they left the Christian faith.

00:05:08.000 This is when I adopted what I'm going to call California Christianity.

00:05:14.000 Oh boy.

00:05:15.000 To get at what Link was getting at here a second ago.

00:05:18.000 In LA, even within the Evangelical Church, I think there is this sort of, because you're in this incredibly diverse place with so many different perspectives, You really can't maintain a Christian faith in a place like this without at least some sort of realization that there's a lot of gray.

00:05:40.000 It's not about having it all figured out.

00:05:43.000 It's not about being completely certain.

00:05:44.000 It's about a relationship with Jesus.

00:05:47.000 At this point I was like, okay, you know what?

00:05:49.000 I think this is probably where faith comes in.

00:05:52.000 You know, it makes sense to me that this might be where faith comes in because I am sitting here trying to prove this stuff out, but shouldn't I just have faith first?

00:06:06.000 And then maybe these answers will be given to me by God?

00:06:10.000 Isn't this what faith is all about?

00:06:11.000 I mean, the whole point is it's evidence of things not seen.

00:06:15.000 And this is where L.A.

00:06:16.000 comes into play.

00:06:16.000 Something about seeking knowledge.

00:06:18.000 L.A.

00:06:19.000 did allow me to ask a new question.

00:06:20.000 It's almost like it's an expectation of us.

00:06:22.000 And that was, why am I still doing this?

00:06:24.000 Could be in the Bible.

00:06:25.000 And I'll be honest, I would not have asked that question if I was in North Carolina.

00:06:28.000 You know, we were working out of this little basement studio, just putting stuff on the internet, and once we started to actually, our world got bigger when we started to meet other creators.

00:06:41.000 I remember when we met Michael Buckley the first time, he gave me a hug.

00:06:47.000 And I remember thinking, this is the first openly gay person I've ever hugged.

00:06:53.000 And I don't know what... I know what I'm supposed to believe about this guy that I'm hugging, but this... And it was a crisis moment for me, because I was like... Because Jesus would just facepalm him.

00:07:06.000 That's true.

00:07:07.000 Get out the way! 1.00

00:07:07.000 No hugs! 1.00

00:07:08.000 I didn't feel right for me, and let me clarify, I didn't feel right for me to render judgment of him Because what I wanted to do was hug him back and actually mean it.

00:07:23.000 But there was... I had been... The belief that I was ingrained with didn't allow me to... Sounds like wrong belief.

00:07:37.000 To sincerely hug the guy.

00:07:40.000 And I was... It was upsetting.

00:07:41.000 Yeah, that must have been really hard.

00:07:44.000 Okay, so a couple of things that need to... I want to say this as a jumping off point, and this is with a lot of Christians, and by the way, no surprise here, they try and cut it off at the pass, that people who come from small rural areas, from small Christian towns, go to California or start working in the entertainment industry, and they say, I know people are going to say, you went to California and became a sort of a liberal, woke liberal, or whatever they say, but that's not what happened. 0.86

00:08:05.000 No, that's exactly what happened.

00:08:07.000 You basically said that you had never had any personal experience with someone of a differing viewpoint or differing lifestyle, Michael Buckley.

00:08:14.000 He was the guy who used to do the show.

00:08:15.000 What the bock!

00:08:16.000 Do you remember what he used to be?

00:08:17.000 That was his original... It was like tabloid stuff.

00:08:17.000 What the bock!

00:08:19.000 He wasn't even a particularly nice gay guy. 0.99

00:08:22.000 It was a very b****y gay show. 1.00

00:08:24.000 Oh my god!

00:08:24.000 Chris Hemsworth needs to do some push-ups!

00:08:26.000 What the bock!

00:08:27.000 Go back.

00:08:27.000 That was his catchphrase.

00:08:28.000 He'd say, What the bock!

00:08:28.000 He used to do every single time.

00:08:30.000 You should still hug him lovingly.

00:08:34.000 As a matter of fact, it would be more un-Christian of you to not be able to hug this person and mean it.

00:08:39.000 And so this is important because this is often used, and I understand that everyone has their own sort of journey, or people talk about it this way, but listen, you cannot say that you had to abandon your faith because of what the faith teaches, or what the Bible teaches, or what Christ teaches, because you had ingrained in you something that was not at all biblically correct.

00:08:58.000 This is really easy.

00:08:59.000 Does scripture at any point tell you?

00:08:59.000 Go to scripture.

00:09:02.000 And this is also used, by the way, as a jumping off point where they say, well, we know there are some decent Christians out there who are pro-LGBT.

00:09:07.000 Q-A-A-I-P, by the way.

00:09:08.000 I noticed they didn't use the full acronym.

00:09:09.000 Not woke enough.

00:09:13.000 But the insinuation there is that anyone who is a Christian who believes in the fundamental roles of men and women in a marriage and a nuclear family must hate gay people.

00:09:24.000 Just like you can hug someone who is promiscuous, which as Christians we don't agree with, and love them.

00:09:29.000 Or materialistic.

00:09:30.000 Or a liar.

00:09:32.000 Get out of the way, Michael Buckley, you and your what-the-buck catchphrases!

00:09:37.000 Not in my house of worship!

00:09:39.000 Like this is just, you were taught wrong or you believed wrong and you had false guilt.

00:09:43.000 There's nothing in the Bible that would say you should feel guilty or repulsed by hugging a gay man out of love.

00:09:51.000 And that is not the reason for, it shouldn't be the reason for a conversion.

00:09:54.000 No, and I think that's a great point to make is that when we talk about Islam, we don't talk about somebody's teaching on Islam.

00:10:00.000 We talk about the book, right?

00:10:01.000 And so there's a lot of people that are going to have, well, we don't, we don't pick like a random thing.

00:10:05.000 Yeah, well, you know what I mean?

00:10:07.000 We judge these faiths by the texts that they say that they go by.

00:10:12.000 Sometimes you're going to have a misinterpretation of that, and somebody's going to go off and form a religion that believes if you can survive a snake bite, you're truly holy, and that's the religion that we're going to have.

00:10:21.000 And so we're not going to put them out and say, well, that's Christianity, and we're going to judge that.

00:10:25.000 I was like, we're going to go to that one scripturally based.

00:10:26.000 Doesn't the Bible say something about not testing me?

00:10:30.000 Lord, if you are true, you will protect me from this snake bite.

00:10:33.000 Well, it's in the scripture.

00:10:34.000 It's in the instructional booklet.

00:10:36.000 He's saying he won't.

00:10:38.000 So, I mean, I want to make sure that we're being fair, but also for the people out there that are watching this, even if you're an atheist and you have no faith whatsoever, we'd love to hear why maybe you don't have a faith.

00:10:48.000 Maybe you've done some research and you just don't want to.

00:10:50.000 But with these guys, what they're doing is they're putting out stories about their journey through this process.

00:10:55.000 Their personal experiences.

00:10:56.000 Yeah, their personal experiences, and I think they're bringing up points that are very easily challenged.

00:11:01.000 Again, we're approaching it with love, and we understand that people have crisis of faith, and so we're not beating them over the head saying, you're wrong, you're wrong, how dare you?

00:11:06.000 We're just talking about what they are saying to everybody else.

00:11:10.000 There's a lot of feel, there's a lot of touchiness to it, there's a lot of slow storytelling that kind of draws you in, and there's nothing wrong with that, that's a personal story for those guys, but it's very short on, let's dive into these issues on these podcasts at the very least.

00:11:23.000 Well, my main point here is, if you convert from a religion, from a faith, because you don't agree with what is prescribed in that faith, well then you better be sure that it's what is prescribed.

00:11:32.000 And not hugging gay guys is not in there.

00:11:36.000 Do you realize, I've worked in the entertainment industry since I was 11 years old, on the set of Arthur, and I was doing voice work behind the scenes, I was taking sips, it was just, almost my takes of doing voiceovers were between huggings of gay guys. 0.53

00:11:50.000 But I think that's also the danger of keeping young Christians very sheltered and not allowing them to be challenged at a young age.

00:11:57.000 So what I see is the personal experience trumping all when we're talking about issues of faith.

00:12:05.000 And it doesn't all come down to personal experience.

00:12:07.000 And whether they realize that or not, that is part of the California Christianity.

00:12:12.000 They're being sheltered in a different way now.

00:12:14.000 Yeah, so they moved away from North Carolina where they said that they felt sheltered in some way, but yeah, they are very insulated there.

00:12:20.000 They're also very insulated in California.

00:12:22.000 It's just different people insulating them.

00:12:24.000 Different beliefs.

00:12:25.000 Yeah, and I think that's important to note because this also can be indicative of someone who becomes a byproduct of their environment.

00:12:33.000 For example, I did not fit in at my youth group when I was young, or any of the churches.

00:12:36.000 I did not.

00:12:37.000 I didn't fit in when I went to public school, which was Catholic school in Montreal.

00:12:40.000 I didn't fit in with the youth group.

00:12:41.000 There was a Pentecostal youth group at one point, and that was a whole different thing.

00:12:44.000 That was the only church within a five-mile radius of me at that point.

00:12:48.000 And then, of course, I didn't fit in with people in the entertainment industry.

00:12:51.000 So just because you feel like you don't fit in somewhere, or people might disagree with you in Hollywood, doesn't mean that you fundamentally abandon your principles.

00:12:59.000 So I think we do need to get a little bit more into why it is that they had these doubts, or what the reasons would be.

00:13:06.000 If there is any reasoning, as opposed to feelings, I think that's the next clip.

00:13:10.000 Yeah, well, they talk mostly about those reasons during the first 45 minutes or so of the interview, and it's mostly just sort of quoting experts or quoting books that Rhett said he read.

00:13:10.000 We have, correct?

00:13:21.000 And for every single one of those, you could find some PhD who says the exact opposite.

00:13:26.000 So really, the issue is not any particular piece of evidence.

00:13:31.000 It's obvious that a lot of this has to do with prestige, or at least at some level, some amount of respect.

00:13:37.000 He opens his portion of the podcast with saying, I want people to like me.

00:13:43.000 Like right off the bat he says that.

00:13:44.000 That's part of his personality.

00:13:45.000 He kind of admits that about himself.

00:13:46.000 Didn't Jesus say, they hated me first?

00:13:50.000 They're probably going to hate you.

00:13:51.000 I'm rusty on my scripture.

00:13:54.000 If they hated me, they will hate you as well.

00:13:54.000 They hate us.

00:13:56.000 And by the way, that's not an excuse for you to, for example, steal from people's clearly labeled drawers in the office refrigerator.

00:14:04.000 And then if I'm mad, say like, well, they hated Jesus first.

00:14:06.000 That's not the same thing here.

00:14:07.000 I want to be very clear.

00:14:07.000 I'm sorry.

00:14:08.000 Yeah, I know.

00:14:09.000 It's clearly Mark.

00:14:10.000 I shouldn't use my middle name to be fair.

00:14:11.000 Because you didn't know my middle name.

00:14:12.000 Let alone just be with a period.

00:14:17.000 Yeah, so I want to be clear, and I do encourage everyone to go and listen to the show, listen to the reasoning, but like you said, it's not really any one piece of evidence.

00:14:26.000 It really does come down to, oh, we're experiential.

00:14:28.000 Yeah, very much so, and there's something that we saw in there that he said that we found out that there was a lot of gray when we moved to California, and I'm very puzzled by what he means by gray.

00:14:40.000 There shouldn't be new gray.

00:14:42.000 there is gray, but there shouldn't be new gray based on geography.

00:14:46.000 There should be, maybe you've taken a different approach to gray and your faith shouldn't change,

00:14:51.000 but the situation is Christianity doesn't, almost the reason for religion, the reason for faith

00:14:56.000 is to often deal with the gray.

00:14:58.000 Right, and so we talk about this, the Bible does have, you know,

00:15:02.000 I've said this a lot to you guys in our offline conversations.

00:15:04.000 We should be firm where the Bible is firm, and we should hold it loosely where the Bible holds it loosely, right?

00:15:09.000 We should make sure that we're not firm on things that the Bible is not, and then the opposite.

00:15:13.000 If the Bible's loose on it, we shouldn't be firm.

00:15:14.000 And so there are places where specifically he ends up talking about the LGBTQ plus community, and that's how he says it, and saying, you know, this is one of those things.

00:15:24.000 And I'm like, well, the Bible is not gray here.

00:15:26.000 The Bible has never been gray about what sin is and is not, right?

00:15:29.000 It's very clear on that.

00:15:30.000 Otherwise it would be, we serve a very capricious God who can kind of change his mind whenever he wants to on what sin would be.

00:15:36.000 But how you treat those people is also not gray.

00:15:39.000 And those people is me as a sinner as well, like how we all treat each other.

00:15:43.000 That's not gray.

00:15:44.000 You treat each other with love, just like your brother is your neighbor and your neighbor is your brother.

00:15:48.000 It's like everybody is that close together, and that's very, very easy to see.

00:15:52.000 So I'm wondering, what gray are you talking about?

00:15:55.000 Because that was the one thing that you brought up that was big.

00:15:58.000 More so, what sudden gray?

00:16:00.000 What sudden gray?

00:16:01.000 What changed?

00:16:01.000 Kind of like I said with Mitt Romney, where Mitt Romney went from being pro-choice his whole political career, to then pro-life.

00:16:08.000 I was going, hold on a second.

00:16:10.000 Because you were always a Mormon. 1.00

00:16:10.000 What changed? 1.00

00:16:12.000 You always claimed that your religion was what determined, right, is what educated your politics.

00:16:19.000 So then what changed?

00:16:21.000 It's not like you were saying, well I was a secularist and then I learned, you know, someone came knocking on my door, got off his bicycle with a helmet and short middle management shirt and a tie and brought me the Book of Mormon and then I said I'm pro-life.

00:16:34.000 What changed?

00:16:34.000 No, no.

00:16:35.000 And so for me it's what changed where all of a sudden There's this gray.

00:16:39.000 And if what you would use as an example is, well, now it was gray because I had to hug a gay guy and I felt like I should be repelled by him. 1.00

00:16:46.000 Well, that's not gray.

00:16:48.000 That's your own issue.

00:16:49.000 And I think the danger here is applying your own hang-ups and your own issues and offering that as any sort of prescriptive advice to people out there who may be struggling with their faith, because that is not Yeah.

00:17:02.000 That's a lot of the reasons that personal people that I've seen leave the faith or say that they're atheists is that they say all these things like people are hypocrites and they're liars and they do these things that are inside of the Christian faith and you're talking about people.

00:17:18.000 You're not talking about the faith.

00:17:18.000 Right.

00:17:20.000 You're not talking about Jesus.

00:17:21.000 You're talking about the people that are inside and we know that they're that way.

00:17:24.000 Right.

00:17:24.000 So, yeah.

00:17:25.000 Okay.

00:17:25.000 Well, let's go here.

00:17:27.000 We have another clip to get to and then we'll come back and sort of dissect this a little bit more.

00:17:31.000 I understand that it is unreasonable to expect Christianity to be a set of scientifically verifiable principles.

00:17:38.000 It is a faith, implying that some sort of believing without seeing is involved.

00:17:43.000 And more specifically, Christianity is a relationship with Jesus, and relationships are not well-defined or experienced scientifically.

00:17:55.000 I don't think it insignificant that the deeper I have dug into Christianity with a thirst for the truth, the more difficult it has become to have faith.

00:18:05.000 In fact, for me, it has become impossible.

00:18:10.000 And that was kind of the reckoning for me.

00:18:12.000 When I jumped ship, I didn't jump to another boat.

00:18:17.000 I jumped into the water.

00:18:20.000 And I pulled my wife and my children in with me.

00:18:23.000 Again, I want to know, you started seeking for the truth, and they talk about how the conversion happened after they moved.

00:18:28.000 So they try to cut it off with the past, again, not because of California.

00:18:31.000 Why did you only start digging for the truth once you moved to California?

00:18:34.000 Yeah.

00:18:35.000 Why weren't you digging for the truth when you were in North Carolina, when you were

00:18:37.000 surrounded by Christians, when you, by your own admission, led a men's Bible study? 0.70

00:18:42.000 Were you lying to them?

00:18:43.000 Because I would obviously assume that someone in a leadership position of a Bible study

00:18:45.000 is seeking truth.

00:18:47.000 And I think they could be wording it improperly, but a lot of this is designed to discredit

00:18:52.000 everything they believed before as though they were never seeking truth.

00:18:54.000 No, no, no.

00:18:55.000 You had a different opinion that was formed often, I can't necessarily say this with certainty,

00:19:01.000 because of your environment.

00:19:02.000 Yeah, he did say at some point whenever he was leading that, he was like trying to, he

00:19:07.000 had all these questions and he was trying to look to knowledgeable books and stuff like

00:19:12.000 that, so he did have like questions about it, but yeah, like you're right, he didn't

00:19:15.000 really jump ship until...

00:19:17.000 Well, we all have questions about it.

00:19:19.000 I'd be lying if I were to say that I don't have doubts in my faith.

00:19:21.000 That's why it's a struggle.

00:19:22.000 That's why almost the entirety of the Bible is designed to at least help you with answers and your struggle with doubts.

00:19:30.000 Right.

00:19:30.000 And the environment also includes the books you're reading.

00:19:34.000 So those are things that you're putting in your life.

00:19:34.000 Right.

00:19:37.000 It's the choices that you make and the things that you're surrounding yourself with.

00:19:39.000 So you can surround yourself with books that are saying the one thing.

00:19:42.000 You can surround yourself with things that are bolstering your faith as well as challenging your faith.

00:19:46.000 I would recommend both.

00:19:47.000 Right. Yeah. Well, so he said something about science, and this is something that we talked

00:19:51.000 about just a little bit. But he said, the deeper I dug into science, the more I couldn't kind of

00:19:57.000 buy my faith, so to speak. Right. I'm paraphrasing kind of what he was trying to say there. And,

00:20:01.000 you know, some people will make some pretty easy mistakes when they look at the Bible.

00:20:07.000 They'll make the Bible out to be a science book when the Bible never claims to be a science book, right?

00:20:12.000 And it doesn't discredit what the Bible says about scientific matters if it does address them, right?

00:20:18.000 But it's basically saying like, look guys, this is not like cellular biology.

00:20:21.000 This isn't freshman bio 101 that we're trying to accomplish here.

00:20:24.000 We're trying to, God has obviously chosen stuff to communicate to us that he feels is very important.

00:20:29.000 But Wade, you and I were talking about this and really the crux is there are wonderful It's pillars of the faith that have different opinions on some of the science discussions that happen within scripture.

00:20:41.000 But I had a question, my church has something called Great Questions, and people can come in and ask any question.

00:20:46.000 It can be atheists, it can be people who seek, you know, have a deeper relationship, people who are on the fence, like whatever it may be, we've had everybody come in.

00:20:53.000 And this person asked me, they said, you know, I don't believe in evolution, can I still, or I do believe, sorry, in evolution, right, so they believed in evolution, scientifically taught.

00:21:02.000 Can I still be a Christian?

00:21:03.000 And it floored me, and I had this response to it, and I had it again when you and I started talking about it before the show.

00:21:10.000 I wanted to kill this question, and there was a reason for it, and I understand that it sounds like it's over the top, but I said, look, when you get to heaven, right, and you're standing before God, do you think He is going to say, did I do it in six days?

00:21:22.000 I don't think that's where you start.

00:21:24.000 It doesn't mean that that question isn't something that we can't discuss and have a really interesting conversation about, but at some point with that, we have to understand that certain things are very important.

00:21:34.000 They're crucial to the faith, and certain things are debatable.

00:21:37.000 And that's okay.

00:21:38.000 We can debate about those things and still be Christians.

00:21:40.000 I'm wondering what he's talking about here with science, because there are plenty of scientists out there that are Christians, and there are plenty that are not, obviously.

00:21:48.000 And you can listen to what both of them have to say, and then you can test what they say.

00:21:52.000 All the Christian scientists aren't wrong. 0.99

00:21:54.000 All the other scientists aren't wrong.

00:21:55.000 We're not talking about Christian scientists. 0.56

00:21:55.000 So where are we? 0.56

00:21:57.000 We're talking about scientists who are Christian.

00:21:58.000 Scientists who happen to be Christian. 0.80

00:21:59.000 Not the people who, you know, they shun Benadryl.

00:22:02.000 No, I'm not one of those guys.

00:22:03.000 We're okay with the antihistamines here.

00:22:05.000 It's allergy seas.

00:22:06.000 That's right.

00:22:06.000 And I think that that does illustrate that debates like this are not ultimately decided by the evidence.

00:22:13.000 It's ultimately decided by what you bring to the evidence, which is what your worldview is.

00:22:17.000 And the amount of who you trust, what you trust, if your baseline trust is in the Bible or if your baseline trust is in the world standards, that's going to make the difference.

00:22:17.000 Right.

00:22:27.000 Yeah.

00:22:27.000 So, the specific evidence is about the age of the earth.

00:22:29.000 I believe in a young earth, but that's not something that is a decisive issue as far as, like, what I'm saying is, like, it's, I can't prove that to somebody who has decided to not believe that.

00:22:40.000 Just like I can't prove that the Bible is true. 1.00

00:22:40.000 Right. 1.00

00:22:43.000 And there are some things, and I do want to be clear, they never really bring this up, there are some things that can be proven that are undeniable by people across the spectrum.

00:22:49.000 Yeah.

00:22:50.000 And let me address this first.

00:22:51.000 There's a lot of deferring to experts, right, that you Well, you know, I read this book, or I heard this person, and I understand there's a value in experts.

00:22:59.000 I understand that.

00:23:00.000 Particularly, like, I am someone, if we know in this program, I always try to seek out the best at whatever it is, whether it's someone who's doing something technical on the editing side, whether it's someone for research, whether it's someone who's really good at actually finding and securing a location.

00:23:12.000 Security, like, we really try and find the best folks.

00:23:14.000 Believe me.

00:23:15.000 I understand the value in particularly being advised by experts.

00:23:19.000 That being said, you can't simply adopt the opinion of an expert because they're an expert.

00:23:26.000 And let me kind of explain it to you this way, to bring it to something simple.

00:23:29.000 I've talked about this with Brazilian jiu-jitsu or any kind of combat sports.

00:23:31.000 I've been doing it quite a long time.

00:23:32.000 And the reason I bring this up is, if you play basketball, not many people who play basketball, you know, at a, I don't know, local park, get to play with Michael Jordan.

00:23:40.000 Right, right.

00:23:41.000 Not many of you, even Charles Barkley, Scottie Pippen.

00:23:43.000 The thing is, in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, I get to do that.

00:23:45.000 Like, I've actually gotten to hit the mats with people like Marcelo Garcia, Buchecha, these guys who are multiple-time world champions.

00:23:51.000 The Michael Jordans of this sport either come in and do seminars, so you get to experience really, really brilliant people, the best that the world has to offer.

00:23:58.000 And I have, at some points, performed certain techniques and someone goes, well, don't do it that way, do it this way.

00:24:03.000 I go, well, why would I do it that way?

00:24:04.000 They say, well, just look at my medals.

00:24:06.000 Sometimes you have people that way.

00:24:06.000 Do you trust me?

00:24:07.000 They're not very helpful.

00:24:08.000 They go, look at my medals.

00:24:09.000 This was a very specific instance where someone said, well, look at, trust me, I know, do it this way.

00:24:13.000 The very next tournament this guy went on, who was a former world champion, got smoked by doing it the way I was doing it beforehand from another expert.

00:24:19.000 In other words, today's expert can be tomorrow's ignoramus, because this idea that scientific progress, you were talking about this, is linear, it's not always.

00:24:28.000 Sometimes there's a double back.

00:24:29.000 It's not a straight, sometimes it's a brrr.

00:24:32.000 It's a loop-de-loop.

00:24:32.000 It's a Six Flags man!

00:24:35.000 Yeah, Thomas Kuhn talks about this in The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.

00:24:38.000 It's essentially, the myth of scientific progress is, it's not some kind of hockey stick graph of, like, everybody was idiots for a long time, and then now we have this explosion of technology.

00:24:47.000 Really, there's, every 50 or 100 years, some new paradigm, just because, like, an entirely new paradigm is taken on.

00:24:53.000 I mean, one illustration of that is the coming ice age in the 1970s.

00:24:56.000 Leonard Nimoy narrated it!

00:24:58.000 And now it's global warming, yeah.

00:24:59.000 Yeah.

00:24:59.000 Yeah, I love Leonard Nimoy.

00:25:00.000 No, it's climate change, again, because we're not so sure.

00:25:02.000 It's warming.

00:25:03.000 None of us are scientists!

00:25:05.000 That's true.

00:25:07.000 Just as an illustration of the whole idea of a paradigm shift, and that's what happens in science just like any other discipline.

00:25:17.000 It happens quite a bit, and by the way, these issues were argued by early Christians, too.

00:25:21.000 Keep in mind, this is important.

00:25:22.000 Which will bring us to our next clip here pretty soon where they talk about how all societies have some kind of moral good core.

00:25:31.000 Well, not only is that not true, but guess what?

00:25:32.000 Not all societies have sought out knowledge with the same importance.

00:25:38.000 That's why you have people who had aqueducts, you have people who had used the wheel, and you have people who hadn't even domesticated horses here when we're talking about Native Americans, because pantheism didn't encourage people to go forward, be fruitful, multiply, and to explore the questions of the universe.

00:25:52.000 That's why the early scientists were Christians. 0.99

00:25:54.000 And I understand we can say that's a different period in time, and now these people are actually trying to halt science.

00:25:58.000 I understand some people might have those arguments out there, but there is no historical There can be no historical denial of early scientists who were deeply Christian, and philosophers, by the way, a lot of them.

00:26:09.000 And there can be no historical argument about the impact of the Bible, the impact of Jesus Christ.

00:26:14.000 And for me, when we talk about history, the easiest thing, when you read the early persecutors of Christians, This to me was the most convincing case because I had read a lot of sort of the Christian apologetics books, and I don't want to get too into the details here, but what really convinced me was when I started reading the anti-Christian writings of early Christian, and they all accepted the idea that Jesus Christ was—you can read these right now.

00:26:37.000 You would probably know the names better than I would.

00:26:39.000 Are we going to talk Tacitus?

00:26:40.000 Titus.

00:26:41.000 Those are names.

00:26:43.000 Those are names.

00:26:44.000 I don't know the actual names off the top of my head.

00:26:46.000 It's been a long time.

00:26:47.000 I haven't brushed up on this.

00:26:48.000 I probably should have.

00:26:50.000 But they all accepted that Jesus Christ was a person.

00:26:52.000 Yeah, they wrote about him.

00:26:53.000 And he had this great historical impact.

00:26:54.000 And there was this resurrection.

00:26:56.000 But here's why it doesn't matter that much.

00:26:58.000 The easiest thing to do would have been in early Christendom.

00:27:01.000 Trot out Jesus's body.

00:27:02.000 The easiest thing to do would have been like, well, actually, it's a hoax.

00:27:04.000 There was no resurrection.

00:27:05.000 The fact that people were arguing against this exploding faith, trying to quell it, saying, all that happened, but this is why it doesn't matter to the degree that you think it matters, for me, was very convincing, in tandem with the rest of the historical context, and in tandem with archaeological discoveries that we've since had.

00:27:25.000 I mean, a big one was the Kingdom of David.

00:27:26.000 We've talked about this.

00:27:27.000 I think Rhett and Link say this in their thing as well.

00:27:29.000 The fact that there was no evidence of the Exodus, which Just inaccurate.

00:27:33.000 It's not right.

00:27:34.000 But for the longest time, up until, I don't remember the year when they discovered the slab, and then more evidence about the Kingdom of David, people often argued against the Bible and would say, well, you know what, the biggest case is, if we're going to talk about historical evidence, David, this crazy ruler of this kingdom, there'd be something, and then there was.

00:27:50.000 And then they've since sort of moved on to the arc.

00:27:53.000 So because you're on the edge right now, doesn't mean that you won't find it eventually.

00:27:56.000 And that's not proof positive that it means that it's real, but it is something to keep in mind when you're making arguments that can be very temporary.

00:28:05.000 And I think that Rhett and Link do that quite a bit.

00:28:07.000 And again, I say this out of love, but I just don't think the arguments that they make cut the mustard.

00:28:11.000 This is another one that is very common.

00:28:13.000 We see it among all sort of SJW woke leftists, not saying that they are

00:28:18.000 that, but then we have another clip to get to that, but this idea of sort of situational ethics or moral relativism.

00:28:23.000 Let's go to the clip.

00:28:24.000 I think the point is, is I don't think you wake up and make decisions to be a good person because you've got this moral

00:28:33.000 lawgiver.

00:28:33.000 There may be a moral lawgiver.

00:28:35.000 I'm not saying that God doesn't exist.

00:28:36.000 Yeah, where else does it come from?

00:28:37.000 But I think that it's a much more natural and organic process than, there's a book, I read it, and now I know what to do.

00:28:44.000 I think that's why those core qualities of what makes a human good exist in cultures everywhere.

00:28:53.000 You find a culture in the middle of the Amazon that's never been exposed to the gospel or any sort of religious system outside of what they believe.

00:29:01.000 Are they gonna think that murdering is great?

00:29:04.000 Probably not.

00:29:05.000 Some, yeah, some.

00:29:05.000 Actually, they do exist.

00:29:06.000 They don't need Hemi-Rabbi or... Hemi-Rabbi. 0.86

00:29:08.000 ...you know, Moses to tell them that.

00:29:10.000 Well, you know what?

00:29:11.000 You can also go down the base, just go down a few Amazon Basin walks, I guess, and you'll find tribesmen who are munching on some guy's testicles like it's a snack pack, okay?

00:29:21.000 Human sacrifice.

00:29:22.000 Just go to your Cancun break and between booze cruise stops and go check out the Mayan ruins where they would kill small children. 0.99

00:29:22.000 Chopping people's heads off. 0.99

00:29:30.000 This idea that morality is universal, no, it's not.

00:29:34.000 And I can tell you that certainly for me, and I know this is an argument that you hear from people like Hitchens and Dawkins, well then you're just a horrible person if you need God to tell you not to do those things.

00:29:41.000 Well, hold on a second.

00:29:42.000 I don't need God to tell me not to murder.

00:29:44.000 Maybe I do, because I grew up in a modern Christian society, Western civilization, where we are told not to murder.

00:29:50.000 And by the way, that's not the same everywhere.

00:29:52.000 The same thing with theft, right?

00:29:53.000 Or I grew up in a society that says, don't abuse women. 0.86

00:29:56.000 Western civilization.

00:29:57.000 We created domestic abuse laws.

00:29:59.000 In Islam, in Islamic nations, they call that laughable, right? 1.00

00:30:03.000 People have different beliefs.

00:30:04.000 These come to different conclusions of morality.

00:30:07.000 I need the Bible to tell me that I shouldn't be a philanderer.

00:30:09.000 Right?

00:30:10.000 Because there are plenty of societies where you can sleep with as many people as you want.

00:30:12.000 You can be a polygamist.

00:30:14.000 Or in Islamic societies, where you can have child brides. 0.99

00:30:18.000 In your state of California, you think that it is stigmatizing for people to have to disclose their AIDS when they have sex with somebody.

00:30:26.000 Everywhere else in the country, we say that's a common courtesy.

00:30:29.000 So this idea that it's universal, no, you can't just take the extremes of murder.

00:30:34.000 You have to look at mercy.

00:30:37.000 They didn't say Alexander the Merciful, because that would be Alexander the Pussy, right? 1.00

00:30:42.000 Mercy was not a value until modern Christendom.

00:30:45.000 It's still not a value in much of the third world or non-Western civilizations.

00:30:50.000 It just shows me that to make a comment like that, it's wishful.

00:30:54.000 You're hoping that there is good throughout cultures throughout history, and that's just not proven to be the case.

00:31:00.000 If you study history at all, what you see is that, left to our own devices, we're very evil, and evil tends to manifest itself as selfishness.

00:31:09.000 You have kids, you know that people are not inherently good.

00:31:11.000 You have to teach them.

00:31:12.000 Some people do.

00:31:13.000 They think that everything a kid does is cute.

00:31:14.000 It's like, that's abusive.

00:31:16.000 Look right now, right?

00:31:17.000 And so people would be like, well, is this evil or not?

00:31:19.000 Well, it's selfish, right?

00:31:20.000 Everybody hears that there's a toilet paper shortage and they go and buy every single piece of frickin' toilet paper they can find and they have two rooms full and their neighbor has none.

00:31:28.000 That's the kind of condition humans tend to exist in.

00:31:32.000 We've only recently gotten to a place where we don't kill each other on sight, okay?

00:31:35.000 Give us a minute.

00:31:36.000 It's not goodness and culture throughout the world and throughout history at all.

00:31:40.000 And you will find that out if you just do a cursory study.

00:31:41.000 Well, I'm actually pretty glad because I used to, you know, I was on YouTube back in 2006 and it was a sort of wave of atheists.

00:31:47.000 You know, common saying, if God is real, why do all these horrible things happen to good people?

00:31:51.000 Why does he allow these things to happen?

00:31:52.000 And then, of course, I don't need a God to tell me not to kill someone.

00:31:55.000 And these have been debunked since sort of the modern wave of people who aren't even necessarily Christians, but Christian sympathists and sort of the new right, I guess, conservatives, libertarians, all these people who understand the value of Western civilization and how it was spawned by Christendom because these shared values have created what we know and love.

00:32:13.000 It's widely accepted, it's been debunked, this idea that morality is the same across cultures.

00:32:18.000 So this is frankly very rudimentary, but I guess it works in California.

00:32:21.000 Yeah, and technological advancement is something we were talking about earlier.

00:32:24.000 And technological advancement is a moral good.

00:32:27.000 It actually—like being resourceful, looking at the things around you,

00:32:30.000 and making things, making new stuff that makes people's lives better, that is a moral positive.

00:32:34.000 So it's not like there's morality over here and scientific advancement over here.

00:32:38.000 Those things go together.

00:32:39.000 So a society that has scientific advancement and moral advancement is a better society.

00:32:43.000 Right.

00:32:44.000 No, I think you're absolutely right.

00:32:45.000 And I think that's how you end up getting backwards when you have things like communism, or you have things like socialism, because now you've conflated.

00:32:49.000 Well, hold on a second.

00:32:50.000 We've separated economics and morality.

00:32:52.000 Well, now let's bring morality into economics, because the moral thing to do would be to redistribute this.

00:32:57.000 But hold on a second.

00:32:58.000 The problem with this is that you haven't applied, for example, from the get-go, a moral view or application to use of money.

00:33:05.000 The Bible is clear about that.

00:33:07.000 The biblical application to money is, first, don't steal it.

00:33:12.000 No, no, no.

00:33:14.000 I don't care if you afterwards give it to the Salvation Army.

00:33:17.000 You stole it first.

00:33:18.000 You can't do that.

00:33:19.000 That's in kind of the top ten.

00:33:21.000 Don't do that.

00:33:22.000 And that's how you realize or you avoid this idea of socialism.

00:33:26.000 God, the original top ten.

00:33:28.000 Yeah, no, exactly.

00:33:29.000 But also they get rid of the, you know, socialism in countries that kind of work off of those systems.

00:33:33.000 They get rid of individual value, which is espoused throughout the Bible, right?

00:33:38.000 Thou shalt not steal assumes that somebody has something that's not yours.

00:33:41.000 It institutes personal property rights right there.

00:33:44.000 Thou shalt not kill assumes that it's their life and not yours.

00:33:47.000 Something that many Native American tribes didn't have a concept of.

00:33:49.000 No, not at all.

00:33:50.000 Here's the thing.

00:33:51.000 I'm not saying that that's right or wrong.

00:33:53.000 I'm not saying the fact that, effectively, Manhattan was purchased for, what is it, something guilders?

00:33:59.000 I don't remember.

00:34:00.000 The equivalent is like 7,000 beaver pelts.

00:34:02.000 Look, we weren't the nicest.

00:34:04.000 No, we weren't the nicest, but the whole thing was they just thought a lot of these people, I believe they were the Canarsies, if I'm not mistaken.

00:34:10.000 Someone can fact check me.

00:34:11.000 I don't have this in front of me.

00:34:12.000 I believe they were like, well, yeah, we'll sell them this Manhattan.

00:34:14.000 We have to get in the canoe to get there.

00:34:14.000 It's hard to get to.

00:34:16.000 And plus, if they take it and they're like, we miss it, we're just going to take it back anyway.

00:34:21.000 Because they didn't understand, like, no, this is a sale.

00:34:25.000 All sales vinyl.

00:34:26.000 Now, you may think one is right and one is wrong, but that shows you that this understanding of morality was not universal.

00:34:35.000 The idea of personal property, that is something that Christians believe in.

00:34:38.000 Individual human value.

00:34:40.000 That was the cornerstone of Christianity and really just the God of the Bible is that every individual is valuable and unique and has rights that are given to them by God, their creator.

00:34:51.000 And it's not the whole that you're looking at.

00:34:54.000 As opposed to Stalinist collectivism.

00:34:56.000 Exactly.

00:34:56.000 But the cool thing is, it doesn't get rid of the need to care for the whole, too.

00:35:00.000 It also addresses taking care of the widows, the orphans, and the poor, right?

00:35:04.000 And taking care of people that have been disenfranchised.

00:35:07.000 It takes care of all of that, and they claim that it does not.

00:35:09.000 So anyway, sorry, it was kind of a side point, but I thought it was worth making.

00:35:12.000 No, I think it's worth making as well.

00:35:14.000 Was there anything else that we had to hit there, Wade?

00:35:16.000 Not on that one, no.

00:35:17.000 Okay, alright.

00:35:17.000 And this is where we kind of get to the...

00:35:23.000 I will say this because I think a lot of people out there hopefully you know we do this obviously mug club behind the paywall for people who are paying members because there's more buying this is difficult to have this conversation and sometimes we'll do an ongoing series of mass Mondays so use a promo code quarantine to get your very steep discount yes but this is something that a lot of people may not understand who aren't Christians out there. I think that a lot of atheists think

00:35:47.000 that Christians exist in this monolith. Like we're all, you know, the mom from Carrie 0.97

00:35:51.000 where, you know, we get the entire silverware drawer in our bosom by the end of the film.

00:35:57.000 This has been creeping into the Christian Church for a long time, the social justice sort of leftism.

00:36:06.000 And that's because, unfortunately, they've been trying to water it down.

00:36:10.000 And I don't mean necessarily water it down.

00:36:12.000 Frankly, strip elements of the faith that are pretty important to make it palatable to places like California, so that people don't get hurt feelings.

00:36:20.000 Which is why, if there's nothing else that you take from this, it is that the experiential cannot trump understanding why you believe what it is that you believe.

00:36:28.000 You need to have a reasoned basis in your faith.

00:36:32.000 You need to understand scripture.

00:36:33.000 You need to understand and be able to articulate and defend your beliefs, or you have no business espousing them.

00:36:41.000 So, that being said, this is sort of indicative of what we've been talking about.

00:36:45.000 It's not just Christian conservatives and SJW left.

00:36:48.000 A huge portion of the church, I would wager probably most members of churches in Southern California, at the very least in my experience, are a part of that amalgamate of the social justice where you're left.

00:36:57.000 Yeah.

00:36:58.000 Cason, just play it so I don't, it's gonna hurt.

00:37:01.000 So many women and so many people who don't fit the mold. 1.00

00:37:06.000 Women? 1.00

00:37:08.000 We talked about like the LGBTQ plus experience of people.

00:37:13.000 How dare you plus?

00:37:14.000 In the church.

00:37:17.000 There's a lot of stories of trauma because as people were sort of developing their identity and self-actualizing, they were doing it in an oppressive environment.

00:37:29.000 I don't know what that means.

00:37:31.000 But again, because of who I am and what I look like, I pretty much just benefited.

00:37:31.000 That's damaging.

00:37:39.000 And so I don't look back at my experience with the church In a traumatic way.

00:37:45.000 We've heard enough of those stories, right?

00:37:47.000 To know that it's a nightmare.

00:37:49.000 It's much more of a nightmare than what we experienced, which was extreme privilege.

00:37:55.000 Yeah.

00:37:56.000 We benefited.

00:37:57.000 One of the things we talked about is we just benefited from the system.

00:38:01.000 I mean, you know, look at the leadership in the Evangelical Church, and it's very male, very white, and very straight.

00:38:09.000 You ever been to a black church?

00:38:10.000 Yeah, I went to an Ethiopian church when I was in Los Angeles, and I went to a church in Jamaica, Queens, where they actually came and canvassed for a local congressional candidate, because they don't really care about the 501c3c4 there.

00:38:20.000 Yeah, they're not.

00:38:22.000 Farrakhan, look it up.

00:38:24.000 This is an exercise, I will say, in not insulting people, because I obviously want, there are a lot of insults that I want to make, not only about the, but the host, with Philip DeFranco, everyone, but I'm just going to try and be as... So that's my, my point is, that's my baggage.

00:38:36.000 That is your cross to bear right this minute.

00:38:41.000 What are you doing with it?

00:38:42.000 I mean, first off, the hairdos.

00:38:44.000 I'm not saying it because he looks like a gay European soccer player bear. 1.00

00:38:50.000 What I am saying is that if you look at, and this is so, for people out there, please, please listen, the Christians out there, please don't be afraid to comment this and feel like you're letting them in.

00:38:59.000 The other team settled.

00:39:00.000 The truth is, the hairdos that they had when they started on YouTube were the exact hairdos that you would expect a youth pastor to have in that era.

00:39:07.000 That kind of Blink-182, but really you listen to MXPX so your parents don't get mad and you have the bangs and then all of a sudden it switches to now the Trimmed on the sides and high on the top in the middle and then it'll probably switch to a verse like the original Terminator where the bangs will be really short and I'll have some of the mullet the point is

00:39:23.000 They're values in Silicon Valley and apparently are just as cyclical as the styles.

00:39:29.000 And if you look at the kind of content that comes from Rhett and Link where you can describe, and they describe it as brand friendly, you can describe the entire, I guess, sort of mission statement of the content of Rhett and Link is Brand friendly YouTube trend chasing.

00:39:44.000 Yes.

00:39:45.000 It's what worked in YouTube in 2009.

00:39:47.000 That's what they did.

00:39:48.000 What do they think was going to be working in YouTube in 2014?

00:39:50.000 That's what they did.

00:39:51.000 That's the style of video.

00:39:53.000 That's the style they dress.

00:39:54.000 That's how they try to appeal to people.

00:39:56.000 Milk toast, go along, get along.

00:39:59.000 And that's what bothers me.

00:40:00.000 And you see that a lot with people sometimes who are Christians where they change their values as often as their style.

00:40:05.000 That's the problem with being trendy.

00:40:06.000 Yeah, and one of the things you said about traumatic experiences for a lot of people and that they didn't necessarily experience that same kind of issue because they were straight, white men in the church.

00:40:16.000 Look, there are plenty, there's a lot that we have to own as Christians, right?

00:40:20.000 Because sometimes our brothers and sisters do and say things that we very much disagree with.

00:40:24.000 Inquisition?

00:40:25.000 Look, we were the primary beneficiaries as well as victims.

00:40:30.000 A lot of Christians killed in the Inquisition.

00:40:32.000 A lot, a lot.

00:40:32.000 So, what I would say is that, look, I understand that that happens.

00:40:35.000 That does not change what truth is.

00:40:37.000 Well, hold on.

00:40:38.000 Before we get into this, I don't want to get into this sort of like Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris thing.

00:40:40.000 What truth is?

00:40:41.000 I want to get into the... These are specifics.

00:40:42.000 They say women. 1.00

00:40:43.000 They say what?

00:40:44.000 Like women aren't welcome at the church? 1.00

00:40:45.000 Do you know that women could claim sanctuary, by the way?

00:40:49.000 They were allowed to claim sanctuary for a long time.

00:40:51.000 Women are very well treated at the church.

00:40:54.000 And this is something that's also important.

00:40:55.000 If you mean to say that it is offensive for a church to believe in traditionalist roles,

00:41:01.000 If you believe it is sexist to have expectations of women in the church, just as they have of men.

00:41:06.000 In other words, they have expectations of accountability, of transparency from men in positions of leadership, right?

00:41:12.000 They have small groups, they have a board of elders, and they expect women to also serve in the church.

00:41:17.000 There are expectations of both men and women, and yeah, this is absolutely true, the Christian faith does not see men and women as fundamentally interchangeable.

00:41:25.000 We do believe, going back to your point, that they're unique, intrinsically, fearfully and wonderfully created, and so we believe in complementarianism.

00:41:33.000 I get that's offensive today, but it's not because we hate women. 0.67

00:41:36.000 If you look at Jesus in his preaching, the first feminist, the guy was hanging around with women.

00:41:41.000 They didn't do that back then!

00:41:43.000 And they were included in a lot of things that they never would have been included in any other writings around the time.

00:41:47.000 There's no way that they would have been featured in some of those things.

00:41:50.000 And so one of the points that I was going to make is, okay, well, let's take out hot button issues, right?

00:41:55.000 Let's take out the feminist stuff. 1.00

00:41:57.000 Let's take out the LGBTQ plus movement. 1.00

00:41:59.000 I'm going to take all of those.

00:42:00.000 No, that's what he says, right?

00:42:01.000 Those are the hot button issues.

00:42:03.000 I'm going to take those out.

00:42:04.000 You're a little firecracker. 1.00

00:42:06.000 Let me put it this way.

00:42:07.000 If I walked into the church— I'm gonna call you Songs of Solomon from now on.

00:42:09.000 I'm gonna kill you.

00:42:10.000 Oh, that's racy.

00:42:11.000 That's spicy.

00:42:11.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:42:12.000 I'll tell you what.

00:42:12.000 I will say this for— His wife is spicy when she talks to him in front of us.

00:42:16.000 I'm like, oh, we're still here.

00:42:17.000 Yeah, it happens.

00:42:18.000 That's why we're— That's why you said that Christians have a great sex life. 0.98

00:42:22.000 Yes, exactly.

00:42:22.000 You and your wife are well-matched.

00:42:24.000 Yes, exactly.

00:42:24.000 Healthy drives.

00:42:25.000 So let me put it this way, what if I walked into a church, what if I walked into their church, like their ideal church, what would the response be if I said, well look guys, I'm a serial liar, I don't care about lying, I think it's okay to lie all the time, and I really don't, are you going to confront me with truth?

00:42:42.000 And this is where I was going.

00:42:44.000 Are you gonna confront me with truth and say, well look, God says, not I believe.

00:42:47.000 I believe is not a precise way of saying it because your beliefs can be wrong.

00:42:51.000 God says is much more precise, and I can point to scripture.

00:42:54.000 Lying is wrong.

00:42:56.000 It's not me you have a problem with, it's God if you disagree with that.

00:42:59.000 And Wade has a good point, but here's a perfect example of Gerald and I, and I know I give Gerald a tough time, but Gerald is someone I very much trust.

00:43:05.000 He was a groomsman at my wedding, and we've talked about these issues quite a bit, and I'm willing to bet substantially more than a dollar.

00:43:11.000 But do you remember, I think we've talked about this on air, we were outside, at the patio, outside of a Chili's.

00:43:18.000 Yes.

00:43:18.000 And you were talking about how at that point, I don't wanna... Can we talk about this?

00:43:21.000 Yeah, we can talk about this.

00:43:22.000 How you were, you were, you were, you were, you were... I was acting, I wasn't going, like, I was, I was earlier in the dating... You were, you know... Yeah, I was, well, no, no, no, I'm not, like, sleeping around, that was not what was happening.

00:43:32.000 No, no, no, it wasn't a war.

00:43:33.000 I was confessing, like, hey man, I'm having a problem, I'm not being the person that I wanna be, and this is what's going on, and you're like, well, Stop being a dick.

00:43:42.000 I said, I love you and I think that, listen, you need to be consistent with your values.

00:43:49.000 You know this is wrong.

00:43:51.000 And I told you, I wouldn't say this if you were an atheist because it wouldn't matter. 1.00

00:43:54.000 But I know you're telling me this because it matters to you and because I love you, I think you need to live this way or you're not going to find the woman that you want.

00:44:00.000 You're just going to find whores. 1.00

00:44:04.000 Unless that's what you're looking for.

00:44:06.000 Some Christians will get mad at this show because they think that's naughty language.

00:44:09.000 But that was appropriate.

00:44:10.000 It worked.

00:44:11.000 No, it was appropriate.

00:44:12.000 You compared me with truth, right?

00:44:14.000 And the wounds of a friend, right, essentially is what scripture talks about.

00:44:17.000 Like, you were very careful in how you did that, but you let me know, based on who you've said you want to be, this doesn't line up.

00:44:24.000 And by the way, this doesn't line up with what scripture says.

00:44:26.000 Right.

00:44:26.000 Like, you need to understand that if you go down this path, that's not who you want to be and that's not who God has called you to be.

00:44:30.000 If you can't correct in love, then there hasn't ever been a single loving parent who issued disciplinary action.

00:44:36.000 Exactly.

00:44:36.000 Yeah.

00:44:37.000 Right.

00:44:37.000 So, I wonder.

00:44:38.000 Yeah, and he mentioned specifically, like, what I look like, so he talked about straight, white males.

00:44:41.000 I thought he was talking about the gay soccer player.

00:44:45.000 Yeah, the man in the back.

00:44:46.000 Though he does look like that.

00:44:47.000 That's not an homonym, it's just a joke.

00:44:49.000 It's real.

00:44:49.000 An observation reel.

00:44:50.000 Yes.

00:44:51.000 I really want to make an observation.

00:44:53.000 It's that Philip DeFranco has gone in his entire life to the barber and said, give me the child number two.

00:44:59.000 So yeah, so he mentions whiteness as if there's some kind of hierarchy in Christianity.

00:45:04.000 Like, I mean, yes, there is racism in people who call themselves Christians, but before Christianity, I mean, white people were sacrificing each other to trees.

00:45:14.000 It's not some kind of inherent hierarchy in Christianity.

00:45:17.000 And after Christianity, mind you. 0.95

00:45:18.000 Yeah, it does happen.

00:45:19.000 And enslaving other white people. 0.90

00:45:21.000 By the way, black people also enslave black people. 1.00

00:45:25.000 Non-Christians and Christians alike. 0.75

00:45:27.000 Doesn't mean that it's necessarily consistent with their values.

00:45:29.000 And again, this idea that somehow you are less qualified to speak on an issue or that God expects you to shut up because of your skin color, that is not biblical.

00:45:42.000 That is a California indoctrination.

00:45:44.000 And it almost might as well be the book of Southern California, the book of the entertainment industry, the book of the woke left, because it is dogmatic.

00:45:51.000 It is dogmatic.

00:45:52.000 When you tell people that race Is race determines someone's identity more than their faith, which is what they are saying.

00:46:00.000 It is bullsh**.

00:46:01.000 And for Christians who get mad that I say bullsh**, it matters more that we get through the bullsh**. 0.87

00:46:06.000 You've got to clearly specify what is bullsh** and what isn't.

00:46:11.000 To say that someone's... I cannot be... I want to make sure this is crystal clear.

00:46:15.000 To imply that somebody's race, ethnicity, gender, or sexual orientation defines their identity more than their values is bullshit.

00:46:28.000 Yeah, it absolutely is.

00:46:29.000 And you know, they're talking about like this loving experience, like these traumatic experiences, kind of quickly going back to that.

00:46:35.000 If you know, Penn and Teller, right?

00:46:37.000 Who's the guy that talks of the two?

00:46:38.000 I can't remember, I always forget.

00:46:39.000 Is it Penn?

00:46:40.000 So Penn actually, you can YouTube this, he actually said, look, if you believe what you say you believe, Christians, like if God is real and there is a heaven and a hell, he goes, it'd be like somebody standing out in the middle of the highway and you seeing a truck coming at them and you don't warn them to get out of the way.

00:46:40.000 Penn.

00:46:55.000 In context, he was saying when people sort of try and talk to him, right?

00:46:58.000 Yeah, he was saying actually appreciate it, even though he's obviously an atheist.

00:47:01.000 And a very kind atheist, too.

00:47:05.000 So what is more loving?

00:47:06.000 If somebody who is gay, or somebody who's a liar, or somebody who God has said, hey, this is sin, comes and says, hey, these are the things that I do.

00:47:12.000 Is it more loving to say, oh, God doesn't care?

00:47:14.000 No, no, no, it's totally fine.

00:47:16.000 Or is it to say, hey, let's talk about what God has called you to here, right?

00:47:19.000 What's the more loving thing to do?

00:47:20.000 And in culture, we think the more loving thing to do is just to accept everybody the way that they are and say that there is no truth for us to look at and say, well, what does God say?

00:47:29.000 What does God say about how this will work best for all of us?

00:47:31.000 Yeah, so it really does come down to who you trust.

00:47:33.000 Do you trust the culture who says, be nice to everybody or treat everybody and, you know, be nice, at least with that kind of definition?

00:47:40.000 Or do you trust God?

00:47:42.000 Do you trust the experts with all the degrees or do you trust God?

00:47:45.000 Do you trust the culture that you're living in that might have some kind of particular milieu?

00:47:49.000 And their standards are constantly shifting from left to right all the time.

00:47:52.000 I would even take that further and say, even if you don't believe in God, let's just take them as archetypes.

00:47:56.000 Because a lot of times the left, they try to act as though there isn't some kind of an archetype.

00:48:00.000 Jordan Peterson is talking about this.

00:48:01.000 It was tough for me to understand if he really believes that Jesus is a true person in God or if it's this sort of terrible archetype.

00:48:07.000 Let's assume that you don't believe the Bible, right, literally, to shorten it right now.

00:48:12.000 The archetype of God.

00:48:14.000 The archetype of the left, what they are talking about now, what these people worship effectively in the entertainment industry, is the archetype of the perfect, woke, Entirely enlightened, inoffensive social justice warrior leftist.

00:48:27.000 That is the archetype.

00:48:28.000 The archetype is someone who uses all the right acronyms, who includes everybody, who supports diversity quotas, when really there should be some kind of a financial bill to help with a growing virus pandemic.

00:48:39.000 The archetype there is, this is the perfect, this is the ideal.

00:48:42.000 Even if you say that you don't believe in a God, or you don't believe in any scripture, you still do have an idea as to what is right.

00:48:48.000 Because if you don't believe there is a right and wrong, Then this doesn't apply to you.

00:48:53.000 But if you believe that there's right and wrong at all, that does mean that somewhere down the line, if you question it long enough, there is an ideal.

00:48:59.000 That's what's right.

00:49:00.000 Yeah, and that's the thing that guides your life, and in this case, it's something that moves with culture.

00:49:05.000 You need an anchor to guide you.

00:49:07.000 If you're going to have an archetype, make it something that does not change.

00:49:09.000 Right.

00:49:10.000 And having it be the cultural whims of him, her, they, theybes.

00:49:14.000 Because culture can suck!

00:49:17.000 Culture is transformative and it ruins people.

00:49:20.000 Just look at 80s era David Bowie.

00:49:22.000 I get that you like labyrinth, but that crystallized him at the worst point in his career.

00:49:27.000 Or Elvis in Vegas.

00:49:28.000 I don't know why the Elvis impersonators go out with the stupid Vegas rhinestone suit.

00:49:33.000 Elvis, when he was young, was the most beautiful man to have ever walked the face of the earth.

00:49:37.000 I don't care who knows it.

00:49:38.000 T-shirt and jeans, his hair slicked back.

00:49:40.000 He did a few curls.

00:49:41.000 He'd go around.

00:49:42.000 They'd talk about Jailhouse Rock.

00:49:43.000 But for some reason, every Elvis imitator decides to grow a pot belly and sunglasses, rhinestones,

00:49:49.000 a cape and impersonate him at the worst point in his career.

00:49:53.000 Culture can be the most corrosive facet of humanity.

00:49:57.000 All right.

00:49:58.000 Very true.

00:49:59.000 Let's move on to the next clip, I guess.

00:50:01.000 You're sort of in this whatever it is that we are right now.

00:50:06.000 I call myself a hopeful agnostic right now.

00:50:09.000 I don't have the structure, or the community, or the singular sort of well-defined purpose that I did, and that is, that's a problem.

00:50:19.000 Listen, it's not like I'm about to give you some philosophy that I live according to now, that gives me community, purpose, and meaning.

00:50:25.000 I don't have that, okay?

00:50:29.000 I think there's a giant sort of shift that's happening culturally, and I think that we may be arriving at that sometime, but it doesn't exist right now for me.

00:50:37.000 But what does exist is an openness, is this curiosity.

00:50:43.000 To what?

00:50:44.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:50:45.000 Does anyone want to take that?

00:50:46.000 To be honest, I don't know anything other than to say that that seems really sad.

00:50:50.000 I don't have any interest, hopefully I'll get to it.

00:50:53.000 I jumped into the water, took my wife and children, what he said earlier, and I don't have any guiding philosophy.

00:50:59.000 Well, his wife, his children, and his whole audience now.

00:51:02.000 Yeah.

00:51:03.000 Yeah.

00:51:03.000 Well, and does he really think that what we're headed to in our culture is more unity?

00:51:08.000 More purpose?

00:51:09.000 Right.

00:51:09.000 Without God?

00:51:10.000 Yeah.

00:51:11.000 We're in this huge shift culturally that might be arriving at a replacement for the church.

00:51:16.000 Yeah.

00:51:16.000 Like, the purpose, the guiding, everything.

00:51:19.000 It really has shown that he has— Crossfit!

00:51:21.000 Yeah.

00:51:21.000 I would hope.

00:51:22.000 Yeah.

00:51:22.000 He's shown that he's essentially replaced an old thing with trying to build a new utopia, and that's his new religion.

00:51:30.000 That's also the danger of organized and centralized planning from a government, because that's a big reason when you look at Stalinistic, when you look at, I'm saying Stalinist, but communism, right?

00:51:40.000 Communism is a distinctly atheist idea, because it's this idea that the collective is more important than the individual.

00:51:45.000 Christianity, we do not believe that.

00:51:46.000 You may find some Christians who say they do.

00:51:49.000 Sorry, they're incorrect.

00:51:50.000 I don't have time to get into it right now, we're already 50 minutes in.

00:51:53.000 No, your honor, the defense is wrong.

00:51:57.000 Communism does not believe in the power of the individual over the collective, and they believe that it is the government's job to centrally plan these communities so that people find purpose through what now?

00:52:07.000 Nothing more than community, culture, and what the government has devised for them, and that's why it was so important that they would shut down churches and literally nail the doors shut.

00:52:17.000 When people say that religion has killed more people than anything else throughout the history of mankind, first off, a lot of these religious wars were fought over territory, they were fought over all kinds of reasons where you happen to have people from different religions,

00:52:28.000 worldviews on either side, but you would have to look at just the regimes in China

00:52:32.000 and Russia and the hundreds of millions of people.

00:52:33.000 It's not even close.

00:52:34.000 Yeah, not even close.

00:52:35.000 And this is one of the most sad things that he says to me because it's not like,

00:52:38.000 I think I would understand a little bit more of his story if he says, I've looked into these 15 world religions.

00:52:46.000 There are plenty of suitors for you to come.

00:52:49.000 There's plenty of people that want you to come to their church of the now, right?

00:52:52.000 There's plenty of things that you can go out there and join Oprah's thing, or you can join whatever.

00:52:56.000 Satanists!

00:52:57.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:52:58.000 It means you must hate your agnosticism.

00:52:59.000 It's like, I'm a hopeful conservative.

00:53:01.000 You're telling me that none of those things like you're a hopeful agnostic. What does that mean?

00:53:06.000 Does that mean you're a lazy agnostic? Because if you're hopeful that somebody's going to bring the knowledge to you

00:53:10.000 You're never gonna get anything right? So if you're just sitting there waiting for it to show up on your front porch

00:53:14.000 from UPS It's not gonna happen. I don't know what that means hopeful

00:53:17.000 agnostic. It means you must hate your agnostic. It's like I'm a hopeful conservative 0.96

00:53:21.000 Oh meaning that you think like I'm hoping I become a liberal. Yeah, and where does the hope come from?

00:53:27.000 What is the hope for?

00:53:28.000 And he says at some point that he is going to follow truth wherever it leads.

00:53:32.000 Well, how will he judge between what's true and what isn't true?

00:53:35.000 He's dropped his whole standard.

00:53:38.000 He doesn't have any objective standard.

00:53:40.000 He just has his whims.

00:53:41.000 Right.

00:53:42.000 And so he said something that resonates with me.

00:53:44.000 And that's why I will say, yeah, and I want to go right, I want to go back to your point there, but that's why it's so important to get back to the idea of there's universal right and wrong.

00:53:52.000 When we talk about the linchpin, that is it.

00:53:54.000 And I love, I love that that is so easy To discredit, and I love that so many people who are not Christians recognize the value of Western civilization right now.

00:54:03.000 That's sort of been this awakening of Donald Trump and this populism.

00:54:06.000 People who weren't Christians, but they go, you know what? 0.97

00:54:07.000 I see the difference between us and the Islamic world. 1.00

00:54:09.000 I see the difference between us and even continents like Africa, and you see what goes on there. 1.00

00:54:14.000 And the idea of Western European American civilization and our values, because values are not universal.

00:54:22.000 And if you Understand that, and if you are able to point out that moral relativism does not work, that there isn't a universal good and we have to live in a society that agrees upon that, nothing else that Rhett and Link can possibly stand.

00:54:36.000 And I think that's why it's so important to say, well, why do you believe there's a universal right and wrong?

00:54:41.000 Poke those holes.

00:54:42.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:54:43.000 And he said something earlier on in the video, like, this just resonated with me.

00:54:46.000 Right.

00:54:46.000 You know, it's not that that was a bad thing.

00:54:49.000 It's not that a feeling is a bad thing.

00:54:50.000 Didn't he say something about his frequency, like, resonated with him?

00:54:52.000 I just resonated with my frequency.

00:54:53.000 Resonated, yeah.

00:54:54.000 And I was like, that s*** movie with Dennis Quaid?

00:54:57.000 Not that one, thankfully.

00:54:58.000 Different frequency.

00:54:59.000 Was that the one with Jim Caviezel, too?

00:55:00.000 Shorts?

00:55:01.000 That was Jaws 3.

00:55:02.000 Dennis Quaid was always wearing shorts.

00:55:03.000 He had nice skims.

00:55:05.000 Nice, very nice.

00:55:06.000 Cracky band, though.

00:55:07.000 Let me just make a quick point about that.

00:55:10.000 Religion is not based on your feeling, right?

00:55:12.000 Being a Christian, believing in God is not based on your feelings about this, right?

00:55:17.000 It's really irrelevant, like, your feelings, like, oh, it resonates or it doesn't resonate.

00:55:20.000 Like, truth cannot resonate sometimes with you because it's hard, because you don't necessarily want to change how selfish you've been to get around it, right?

00:55:27.000 The first time I used a wet wipe when I went to the bathroom, I realized that I had been so inconsiderate all this time.

00:55:33.000 To your underwear or to the person?

00:55:33.000 Change!

00:55:35.000 Dry, wet, then dry again.

00:55:36.000 There you go.

00:55:38.000 So I worked in a ministry, and it was the new believers, basically.

00:55:41.000 So if you raised your hand, you walked down, you said the prayer, we would have you come back to a room, and we'd talk to you for a minute just to say, hey, great, we're so excited for you.

00:55:49.000 But we would ask a question that would always become very telling to me over time.

00:55:53.000 How many of you, is this your first time committing your life to Christ?

00:55:57.000 And we'd get probably 25% of the hands, 30% of the hands would go up.

00:56:00.000 And that meant the rest of the room, had made an emotional decision at some point.

00:56:06.000 They felt a moment.

00:56:08.000 They had the worship was great.

00:56:09.000 The pastor was speaking the way that they wanted.

00:56:11.000 Something inspired them to come down and now they feel like they have to do it again.

00:56:15.000 And then they feel like they have to do it again.

00:56:17.000 And we started seeing frequent flyers and I'm like, man, and I'm not picking on those people.

00:56:21.000 I'm not saying that it's not okay to like reaffirm your faith and say, you know what?

00:56:24.000 I have been wondering and I want to come back and really get back into this because I've been doing the wrong thing.

00:56:28.000 I'm saying that people think that it's this feeling, they're missing it.

00:56:31.000 Like if you, once you get introduced to Jesus and ask him into your heart, that's done.

00:56:35.000 Like you don't have to be reintroduced.

00:56:37.000 Right. You know what I mean?

00:56:38.000 You don't have to recommit your life to Christ.

00:56:40.000 You just have to stop acting like a fool.

00:56:40.000 You've done that already.

00:56:42.000 Right. Right?

00:56:43.000 Come back and receive forgiveness, repent.

00:56:44.000 Then it comes down to your actions that define it.

00:56:46.000 Just like when you fall in love with someone.

00:56:47.000 Listen, this is something that a lot of women At some point, every man who loves you more than the earth itself is going to fall out of that feeling of love with you, if only temporarily. 0.84

00:56:58.000 There are times when you get into a fight with your wife or your husband.

00:56:58.000 It happens.

00:57:02.000 That's why the Bible is prescriptive in its approach to love, being in action.

00:57:05.000 It talks about the feeling of love, which is a thing.

00:57:07.000 Right?

00:57:08.000 And we can scientifically sort of observe that, where you can talk about neurotransmitters and dopamine and all this stuff going on.

00:57:12.000 Fine.

00:57:13.000 But then, because that is temporary, because that is fleeting, the Christian worldview of love is that of an action.

00:57:20.000 And that is why we are against divorce.

00:57:22.000 Whereas in Islam, a man can say Talaq, Talaq, Talaq three times and he's divorced and the woman has no recourse. 0.98

00:57:26.000 That's true.

00:57:27.000 That's why you have a lot of Not Without My Daughter and Abducted Islamic Children because men have the rights and the women do not. 1.00

00:57:33.000 We don't believe in love as a feeling.

00:57:35.000 We believe in love as an initial feeling and then an action.

00:57:38.000 And the same thing should be your faith.

00:57:39.000 Because I think, honestly, I've had maybe two times in my life a deeply spiritual experience.

00:57:46.000 Yeah.

00:57:47.000 On an emotional level.

00:57:47.000 Ever.

00:57:48.000 Yeah.

00:57:48.000 Twice.

00:57:49.000 And one of them was very recent.

00:57:50.000 They're formative.

00:57:52.000 And the rest has been a battle of the mind.

00:57:54.000 Yeah.

00:57:54.000 And I think a lot, and there are some Christians out there who may, you may not struggle with that.

00:57:58.000 Some Christians, they, you know, they have that, that faith of a child and it's that nothing can tear you away from God's hand.

00:58:03.000 And that's beautiful and it's wonderful, but that's not, that's not most of us.

00:58:06.000 And that's okay because the battle taking place in your mind, that is expected.

00:58:10.000 That's why we have the scripture.

00:58:12.000 That's why the Bible talks about doubts.

00:58:14.000 That's why the Bible talks about faith.

00:58:15.000 That's why the Bible is prescriptive in how you should approach your marriage, how you should approach your finances, how you should approach your business.

00:58:22.000 All of these things because it understands that we are human beings who live in a very physical world with tangible decisions that have to be made.

00:58:31.000 Did you have something else you wanted to say?

00:58:32.000 I was just going to say that that's why it's important to have a baseline level of trust.

00:58:36.000 Through all of the doubts, through all of the confusion and things like that, having a baseline trust in God, even through the questions, is the only way to go.

00:58:43.000 And questions are encouraged in the Bible.

00:58:45.000 Acts 17.11 actually makes a point that, like, these guys are better than these guys, right?

00:58:49.000 I'll let you go read it.

00:58:50.000 Berean's basically better than the Thessalonians, saying, these guys heard it and received the word.

00:58:54.000 They were ready for it, and that's tough to be ready for in the first place.

00:58:57.000 But then they searched Scripture to see if it was true.

00:59:00.000 They were lauded for that.

00:59:01.000 Go out in question and see if this is true based on what scripture says.

00:59:04.000 Go and test this.

00:59:06.000 God, you're right, says don't test me in some of these ways, but he does say test me in this.

00:59:09.000 Test me in tithing.

00:59:10.000 That's very easy.

00:59:11.000 And search the scriptures to see if what you're hearing is true, if what the culture says is true, or what your priest says is true.

00:59:17.000 My goodness, sometimes people can be wrong.

00:59:19.000 It's not saying don't trust anybody, but it's saying, hey, receive it.

00:59:22.000 Trust it, but then go and make sure that it lines up with what I have told you is true.

00:59:26.000 And by the way, for those of you out there maybe listening and saying, man, it seems like a really high bar not to, like this feeling of love and sometimes you're not gonna love.

00:59:33.000 God made it very clear that that's exactly what he did for us, right?

00:59:37.000 He said that Christ died while you were yet sinners.

00:59:40.000 There was nothing about you that was need, like that I should like and want to redeem.

00:59:46.000 Like your actions weren't warranting any of that.

00:59:48.000 To put it in context.

00:59:49.000 You're getting a little grandiose, but you're correct.

00:59:51.000 To put it in context, walk into your nearest Jack in the Box.

00:59:55.000 Wherever assholes hang out.

00:59:55.000 Or Waffle House.

00:59:58.000 Pick the worst representative.

01:00:03.000 That's what Christ did for you, only he was killed.

01:00:04.000 Jack-in-the-box or Waffle House, would you be willing to be kicked in the nuts for that guy? Right could be a girl 0.99

01:00:11.000 probably Probably yeah, that's what Christ did for you. Only he was

01:00:15.000 killed. Yeah. Yeah, he knew the worst Jack-in-the-box customer that ever existed and the worst

01:00:22.000 person of all March. I'm going to be crucified for that guy That's pretty tough to do.

01:00:28.000 And that matters a whole lot more than somebody using the proper pronouns in California.

01:00:34.000 I'm sorry, it's not the same level of suffering, especially when you know Aaron at Jack in the Box.

01:00:40.000 Screw that guy.

01:00:42.000 Don't like that guy.

01:00:42.000 He likes the tacos.

01:00:43.000 He does.

01:00:45.000 It's too late for Rhett and Link, mostly because of this LGBT thing. 1.00

01:00:49.000 Once they've gone there, it's too late for them.

01:00:52.000 And I'm like, can't you see that you guys have lost this argument?

01:00:58.000 History is going to leave you behind.

01:01:00.000 The thing that we're finding out right now, and it's one of the key reasons that so many people are leaving the Church, is that that tension can only lead to the tension being broken.

01:01:11.000 You know, and I think the way it's going to be broken is that, just like I said earlier, many different issues that the Church has held out on, even the most conservative denominations a hundred years from now, No one except a fringe cult is going to be anti-LGBT in a hundred years.

01:01:29.000 If you just look at history and the way things progress culturally, eventually the church says, okay, we'll incorporate that, too, because if we don't, we're going to die.

01:01:39.000 Really?

01:01:39.000 But I think because the church is being really slow to do that, and it's kind of causing an existential crisis and a crisis of just The way that they see the Bible, the young people are just saying, I'm out.

01:01:51.000 I'm not going to be a part of this.

01:01:52.000 Okay, so a couple of points here.

01:01:53.000 It's very clear that the hang-up is the LGBT thing for them. 1.00

01:01:55.000 Yes, it is.

01:01:56.000 And that's based, again, on a false premise that if you are a Christian that you can't hug Michael Buckley, that you have to hate.

01:02:02.000 By the way, back then it was still probably LGBT, that you have to hate LGBT people. 0.84

01:02:06.000 As a matter of fact, it's the opposite of how our faith informs us.

01:02:06.000 That's not true.

01:02:09.000 You are, of course, supposed to love them, and you can have disagreements with people and we can talk about sin.

01:02:13.000 Yeah, that's not true.

01:02:14.000 They try to cut off at the past too and say love the sin or hate the sin.

01:02:16.000 That's a really silly statement.

01:02:17.000 I also have a problem with his analogy there about there's nothing that can happen to the

01:02:20.000 tension other than break.

01:02:21.000 You ever hear of a pulley?

01:02:22.000 Yeah, that's not true.

01:02:23.000 You're using the tension to pull up the bucket.

01:02:26.000 I suss with family Robinson. 0.77

01:02:27.000 It's just not right.

01:02:29.000 He's an engineer too.

01:02:30.000 The only thing that can happen is tension and break.

01:02:31.000 And by the way, this is a danger when you talk about there's this mass exodus.

01:02:34.000 I don't have the sources in front of me, but actually in the United States, there's actually a kind of resurgence of Christendom with a lot of young people.

01:02:40.000 But for sure, beyond any shadow of a doubt, what was her name, the lesbian who was just on the show? 0.96

01:02:46.000 So Arios Garcello brought this up, and I think we have an overlay from USA Today that for the first time in several decades, the young Americans, they have a more negative view of the LGBTQ community than people who've come before them.

01:02:59.000 So those tides are turning.

01:03:00.000 So you don't want all of your fundamental principles to rest on everyone else is doing it.

01:03:07.000 Because guess what?

01:03:08.000 That can change.

01:03:09.000 And unfortunately for you, it's actually changing right now where there's an existential crisis for lesbians on the left. 1.00

01:03:16.000 Lesbians are getting aggravated with lesbians. 1.00

01:03:20.000 Just like, by the way, this could have been used at one point to convert people to Christianity.

01:03:24.000 Certainly was used to convert people to Islam by force as opposed to word of mouth was everybody else is doing it. 1.00

01:03:28.000 With Islam it was everybody else is doing it. 1.00

01:03:30.000 Well, they were sharpening it, right?

01:03:32.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:03:33.000 It doesn't mean that it's right.

01:03:34.000 That's one of the most common logical fallacies there is.

01:03:37.000 I'm baffled by this.

01:03:39.000 If this is the crux, like in a hundred years, none of these churches are going to say, Oh, we'll just incorporate.

01:03:43.000 How do you incorporate it without changing the word of God in several clearly defined, like what pages are you going to rip out of your new Bible?

01:03:51.000 Because you can't leave Romans in, you can't leave Leviticus in, you can't leave other parts of the Bible in that are very, very clear.

01:03:57.000 They really want that to change in the church.

01:03:59.000 And this is something that I've talked about and Dave Rudin was surprised when I said, I don't support gay marriage.

01:04:02.000 I said I support gay civil union.

01:04:03.000 I think that churches should be involved in marriage.

01:04:05.000 I don't think the federal government should be involved in marriage.

01:04:09.000 Is there another clip I'm seeing on there?

01:04:10.000 I don't know what that means.

01:04:12.000 So David Rubin was surprised.

01:04:14.000 And I was saying because I don't believe that men and women are fundamentally interchangeable.

01:04:17.000 This was before the whole tea part was sort of tagged on, right?

01:04:20.000 And I don't remember the point.

01:04:21.000 You were saying something and then I saw this thing.

01:04:23.000 It kind of distracted you a little bit.

01:04:23.000 You did see it.

01:04:25.000 So the assumption is that sin means that you can't be cordial to somebody, you can't love somebody, you can't incorporate.

01:04:31.000 You can't say, look, I understand.

01:04:32.000 You have a right to go be a sinner. 0.89

01:04:34.000 God gave you the freedom to choose to not pick him.

01:04:36.000 Oh, I don't have a point right so they're saying that at some point. We're just gonna say well

01:04:40.000 This is the hot button. I said it again dead gum, but this is the issue of today right the LGBT 1.00

01:04:45.000 What's wrong with you because you're gonna go back and do it again?

01:04:47.000 You're gonna call me the the Solomon thing whatever I don't know what you're talking about the song of Solomon. Yes,

01:04:52.000 you do Yeah, I should have just kept going

01:04:55.000 But this is what is the next one?

01:04:58.000 We're just gonna pick another part of the Bible and say, well, we don't really agree with that.

01:05:02.000 And then at that point, what do you believe?

01:05:04.000 Here's what they believe.

01:05:05.000 This is what it comes down to.

01:05:06.000 We become our own gods, right?

01:05:09.000 It's up to us, whatever we choose to do.

01:05:12.000 Get away from me! 1.00

01:05:12.000 Get away from me. 1.00

01:05:14.000 Get away! 1.00

01:05:15.000 Get away! 1.00

01:05:17.000 Get thee behind me, Satan! 0.95

01:05:21.000 No, I mean, it really is.

01:05:23.000 That's essentially what it comes down to.

01:05:24.000 I'm going to call you habanero. 0.98

01:05:25.000 I appreciate it.

01:05:25.000 Give me something hotter.

01:05:26.000 Ghost pepper, you know, whatever.

01:05:27.000 I'm going to call you habanero. 0.98

01:05:28.000 Hybridized jalapeño ghost pepper.

01:05:30.000 Nice.

01:05:31.000 Hydrogenated ghost pepper.

01:05:33.000 Can we figure out how to do that one?

01:05:34.000 No, hybridized.

01:05:35.000 But no, the point I was making is when they say something about the LGBTQ thing is because they've desperately tried to thrust that upon the church.

01:05:40.000 And this is what I was talking about with Dave Rubin.

01:05:41.000 I said, you have this in Canada where if a pastor says, I'm not going to marry two guys, Stephen Boisson was one of the pastors in Canada, you can be jailed.

01:05:47.000 Now, that being said, people haven't really argued before because men now cohabitate.

01:05:53.000 Men and women, like, they live together before they're married.

01:05:54.000 That's relatively new when you take into consideration sort of... Shacking up?

01:05:58.000 Yeah, shacking up.

01:06:00.000 Which always, by the way, shocks me when someone calls into Dr. Lore and like, I'm living with my boyfriend.

01:06:06.000 I did not know what Dr. Laura was going to say!

01:06:12.000 Society changed, but they never really tried to thrust that upon the church.

01:06:15.000 It's like, well, people are living together and you don't do it, you're traditionalists.

01:06:18.000 But the same-sex marriage thing was something they tried to thrust upon the church because of this worldview that men and women are fundamentally different.

01:06:23.000 And I'm not talking about the entire gay community.

01:06:25.000 I'm talking about those who are the sort of gestapo LGBTQ Nazis who, by the way, now aggravate Lesbians and gay people on the left who just want to live and let live.

01:06:37.000 And that's why they've really tried to thrust it into the church, because it pulls at the thread.

01:06:41.000 If they can, they can get a foothold saying, well, no, hold on a second.

01:06:44.000 It's actually hate speech to say that men and women are different, and that a man and a man is not the same in the eyes of God as a man and a woman.

01:06:51.000 But the church needs to stand strong and say, well, in the church, it's not.

01:06:54.000 The state can say sure, but the church doesn't.

01:06:57.000 And Christians should recognize that there's a play being run on them, and that's the play.

01:07:01.000 The play is niceness.

01:07:02.000 The play is they're taking advantage of our willingness to sort of go, okay, yeah, that's fine, and just keep retreating, and they're using that, again, to gain the upper hand in the culture, so that the left-wing, like you said, the sort of totalitarian-minded people have this inherent impulse, and that's to try to keep people down.

01:07:21.000 I love how you said, you said, they're, they're what?

01:07:22.000 They're running a game?

01:07:23.000 Is that what you said?

01:07:24.000 Running a play is what it is.

01:07:25.000 Shame on all YouTubers who try to run a game with the trick.

01:07:30.000 That's what I was thinking.

01:07:31.000 The entire point.

01:07:32.000 I didn't hear it.

01:07:33.000 I was trying to think of how I could sing that song.

01:07:37.000 Without using the N-word, because I've done it in my car with the windows rolled up at least a thousand times.

01:07:41.000 It's hard.

01:07:42.000 It's hard.

01:07:42.000 I saw it in your eyes when you checked out, but it's fine.

01:07:44.000 I think they glazed it.

01:07:45.000 I just ruined my career and now I can't believe it.

01:07:47.000 Shame on the people who tried to run the game. 0.99

01:07:49.000 That's just like, what are you gonna say?

01:07:51.000 If ever I'm put in a deposition like Paula Deen, have you ever used the N-word?

01:07:54.000 I'm just like, I'm a huge hip-hop fan.

01:07:56.000 And I sing, and I have a Bluetooth speaker in the shower.

01:08:00.000 It's an admiration thing.

01:08:01.000 It is.

01:08:02.000 It is.

01:08:03.000 It's cultural.

01:08:04.000 That's a wonderful way to, on that note, cultural.

01:08:10.000 Have I ever used the N-word?

01:08:10.000 Does context matter?

01:08:12.000 Does context matter?

01:08:13.000 Because I'm an NWA fan.

01:08:15.000 OK?

01:08:15.000 Yeah.

01:08:16.000 It's in the name.

01:08:17.000 What are you supposed to do?

01:08:19.000 What?

01:08:19.000 What do you?

01:08:20.000 Have you?

01:08:20.000 Ugh.

01:08:21.000 Do you want to go through the list of mortal techniques?

01:08:23.000 I mean, what, what?

01:08:24.000 Do I need to go through albums with you?

01:08:27.000 I think, so, you know what, listen, we've been going, and let us know, I want to hear how much people, whether you're a Christian, whether you're not, this is the kind of stuff that's available on Mug Club.

01:08:32.000 Tomorrow, we will have, I think, more of a standard, yeah, standard show like you've come to know on Thursday.

01:08:37.000 Sometimes we do a scrapyard, where we take all of the crap that was too offensive to make a show, and we shove it into Tuesday.

01:08:44.000 And the reason we do it is because often the Photoshop's are too offensive, so we just have Smooth Manny from Columbia just do them as cartoons.

01:08:51.000 Let's figure that takes the edge off.

01:08:52.000 It does.

01:08:52.000 So that'll be tomorrow with a guest, a show that you've come to know and expect.

01:08:55.000 And of course, Morning Drive, Good Morning Mug Club. 0.89

01:08:58.000 Check the schedule, available at ladloscreditor.com.

01:09:00.000 I think what's most important here is, first off, I would gladly host Rhett, Link, Philip DeFranco.

01:09:08.000 This doesn't come from—none of this comes from a place of hate.

01:09:12.000 It comes from a place of love and wanting what's best for people.

01:09:15.000 And listen, I would be remiss if I didn't tell people that, yeah, I think what is best for everybody—man, woman, child, gay, straight—is to have a personal relationship with God.

01:09:24.000 And when—Lord, I call him Good Guy God.

01:09:26.000 Jesus.

01:09:28.000 I think that matters.

01:09:29.000 And I will tell you this, when people say, what, I just do it because God told me to?

01:09:33.000 No, not always.

01:09:34.000 But if anyone here, maybe you don't need to, but I certainly would acknowledge that in my moments of weakness that I've had, where particularly as someone who struggled with depression, understanding, that is, that is A safeguard.

01:09:45.000 That is a guardrail of, you know what, actually I was designed for a purpose.

01:09:50.000 And I do think, and I have known a lot of Christians who've also struggled with suicidal thoughts or tendencies and thought, you know what, hold on a second, I don't have the right to do that because this really isn't my body.

01:09:58.000 So it may not be of value to you in Southern California, but it is to a lot of people.

01:10:03.000 I think that particularly for me in moments of weakness where maybe I don't have the answer,

01:10:06.000 having that trust that, okay, this is, you know what?

01:10:09.000 I don't necessarily know each individual step, but I do know the prescription for what I

01:10:15.000 need to do to achieve what is morally right.

01:10:18.000 And I look at scripture and that helps me make decisions when sometimes decisions are

01:10:21.000 tough to make.

01:10:22.000 The only way though, that this faith can stand, and I think we can talk about this, this happens

01:10:27.000 by the way, also with Christians who are just, like you said, running a game, the nice Christians

01:10:32.000 who are open to all.

01:10:33.000 I mean, as someone said, this is not my own original quote.

01:10:35.000 I don't know who said it, so please don't get mad at me for not attributing this to you.

01:10:38.000 They say, listen, you cannot continually water down the message of Christ and the value.

01:10:46.000 You can't continually water down the medicine and then be shocked when it doesn't work.

01:10:50.000 When someone turns to it for answers and they don't have them.

01:10:52.000 And so everyone out there, even if you've grown up as a Christian your whole life, I know people say grow up, you always have to choose to follow Christ.

01:11:00.000 No one is just raised Christian.

01:11:03.000 You can be raised in that culturally, but you choose to make a decision.

01:11:05.000 Every single person does.

01:11:06.000 But even if you've been raised with that and you've never had a crisis of faith, you need to have it be based on reason. You need to be able to reason your faith. You

01:11:15.000 need to understand intellectually why it is that you believe what you believe, and you need

01:11:20.000 to be able to defend it. I don't mean go out and argue with everyone because you're always going

01:11:24.000 to find someone who's more qualified than you to argue. But it has to be more than an emotion.

01:11:30.000 Otherwise, you just become a byproduct of your environment, and then you find yourself subjected to the whims of moral relevancy.

01:11:38.000 And I don't think you're going to like the way that one ends up.

01:11:40.000 Yeah.

01:11:41.000 All right.

01:11:42.000 Thank you guys very much.

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Louder with Crowder - April 07, 2020

Rhett & Link Get Woke | MASS MONDAY | Louder with Crowder

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