Louder with Crowder - April 17, 2015


Robb Wolf on FDA Cholesterol Reversal || Louder With Crowder


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Join Fundip and Crowder as they chat with Rob Wolf, founder of the paleo diet movement, about his journey to losing weight and getting rid of his Type 2 Diabetes. Fundip also talks about his recent trip to the ER and his struggle with prolactinoma.

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00:00:00.000 Yeah, I think that they thought, well, he's a fat guy.
00:00:03.000 Clearly, we need to get him a CPAP. Right.
00:00:05.000 You know, you...
00:00:06.000 You can do something...
00:00:08.000 I know it's strange, but it's true. 0.98
00:00:10.000 I'm just trying to figure out how to, you know, tactfully transition to the next topic.
00:00:16.000 You can't!
00:00:16.000 You can't!
00:00:17.000 There's no way to just dive in!
00:00:19.000 There's this fat bugger over here. 0.99
00:00:21.000 He needs a CPAP. Just get him three of them.
00:00:23.000 He'll eat them.
00:00:26.000 So glad to be back here on Louder with Crowder.
00:00:29.000 Lovely guest, friend of mine, friend of the program, though when he was on, no one was listening.
00:00:33.000 It's when the show first started.
00:00:35.000 RobWolf.com, one of the guys who spearheaded the paleo diet movement.
00:00:40.000 I guess I don't need to say his name because his website is his name.
00:00:42.000 But Rob Wolf, thanks for being on the show.
00:00:45.000 Always glad to bring down property values.
00:00:46.000 Thanks.
00:00:47.000 Exactly.
00:00:47.000 Yeah.
00:00:48.000 You're literally in a double window screen with Fundip Dan, so I don't think you need to be concerned with that.
00:00:55.000 Okay, before we go into, I think it'll be interesting to have you talk with Fundip because he's in a diet now and he's making some progress, so I'm sure you can help him.
00:01:02.000 Rob, you must have just gone bananas when the FDA changed officially their food pyramid chart.
00:01:08.000 Well, I mean, it's gone through multiple iterations every five years.
00:01:11.000 They have kind of a review, and there's a public review period where people can submit commentary and thoughts about the whole process, but it's really just kind of rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
00:01:25.000 Like, nothing comes of the scientific input other than...
00:01:29.000 The folks on the back end of that story.
00:01:31.000 So yeah, I mean, it's frustrating, but I think we're seeing a lot of changes happening from a market-driven perspective versus a top-down approach.
00:01:39.000 So I think we'll have this war won, and then they will change the recommendations to reflect something reasonable.
00:01:46.000 So are you saying that they are incorrect in telling me that six servings of Froot Loops is healthier than a sirloin steak and salad?
00:01:55.000 Well, I mean, incorrect based off of...
00:02:02.000 I think the system that's going on right now, then it's a great process.
00:02:06.000 But if you really want to help people and avert the obesity type 2 diabetes epidemic that we have in our country and in Western societies, then it's probably not a great recommendation.
00:02:17.000 How dare you?
00:02:18.000 How dare you be anti-science?
00:02:20.000 Okay, well, so it's something we've been talking about for a while, obviously.
00:02:24.000 And Fundip, I don't want to reveal anything.
00:02:27.000 Obviously, this is your story, but Fundip right now is in the process of losing weight.
00:02:31.000 So Fundip, why don't you tell Rob what it is that you're doing and what they have you doing right now, your dieticians or whoever you're working with?
00:02:38.000 Well, the doctor today said I don't have any diabetes, which is good.
00:02:43.000 My thyroid, now that I'm on meds for that, I am back on track.
00:02:48.000 But I refuse to take the medicine for my prolactinoma because it makes me angry and cranky.
00:02:54.000 And frisky.
00:02:56.000 Yeah.
00:02:57.000 Both angry and cranky.
00:02:58.000 Angry and frisky is a bad combo.
00:03:02.000 Yeah, but the basic deal is I need to still set up an MRI, but I have lost, I was at like 411 and I'm down to 389.5.
00:03:11.000 I was just weighed probably about an hour and a half ago at the doctor.
00:03:15.000 So already you've lost a Justin Bieber.
00:03:19.000 Well, the more beavers you lose, the better.
00:03:21.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:03:23.000 So, but Fundip, you brought in, and this is where I think Rob is really, you know, and Rob and I disagree on some things, we agree on some things, but the diet they have you doing, you actually uploaded a video, so they had you eating, like, lots of carrots, right?
00:03:34.000 Fruit cups, Fundip?
00:03:36.000 Well, they didn't specify necessarily the fruit cups, but I'm adding those to kind of replace the cheese puffs.
00:03:47.000 And the pizza and stuff.
00:03:49.000 So I'm like, I gotta wean myself slowly to where I'm eating nothing but twigs, berries, and raw meat.
00:03:56.000 Just as an aside, when I was doing molecular biology research, we used cheetos as a standard for quantifying UV release in gel electrophoresis.
00:04:07.000 So they have a multiplicity of uses, some of these food products.
00:04:11.000 Oh, very good.
00:04:12.000 I don't think that's how fun it was putting them to use.
00:04:14.000 It was more so the down-the-gullet use.
00:04:18.000 I have to tell you, though, for folks that do still eat them, eat them with chopsticks because then you don't get the orange fingers.
00:04:25.000 That's a good idea.
00:04:26.000 Then you won't fluoresce in the dark.
00:04:27.000 Only your colon will.
00:04:29.000 So, Rob, Fundip is a blank canvas.
00:04:32.000 He's looking.
00:04:33.000 He's getting healthier.
00:04:34.000 Very large canvas.
00:04:35.000 Oh, God.
00:04:36.000 See, this is one of those things where it's like we've talked about this.
00:04:39.000 Some people have a hood pass.
00:04:40.000 Some people have a fat pass.
00:04:41.000 Obviously, I can't make the jokes.
00:04:42.000 And then Fundip interjects.
00:04:43.000 And I don't know what's correct to laugh at.
00:04:46.000 You can laugh at it.
00:04:48.000 You just can't say it.
00:04:49.000 You just can't contribute to it.
00:04:53.000 Unless you gain...
00:04:54.000 If you gain another 50 or 60 pounds, you're more than welcome to join the club.
00:04:58.000 It's like that dentist on Seinfeld.
00:05:01.000 You anti-dentite bastard.
00:05:04.000 So, Rob, what would you have...
00:05:06.000 Firstly, by the way, Fundip, again, I'm not saying this to be insulting at all, but the fact that you don't have cholesterol issues or diabetes, I mean, you're like a...
00:05:14.000 You said you're over 400 pounds, right, Fundip?
00:05:16.000 Well, not anymore.
00:05:17.000 I'm 389.5.
00:05:18.000 But you're a marvel of science.
00:05:20.000 Oh, yeah.
00:05:21.000 And no high blood pressure either.
00:05:22.000 My cat has higher blood pressure than me.
00:05:24.000 And, Rob, we've talked about this.
00:05:26.000 Fundip drinks like a pot of coffee a day.
00:05:28.000 And there are a lot of intensive anti-diabetic effects with coffee.
00:05:32.000 So, firstly, can someone answer me that question, why doesn't Fundip have diabetes?
00:05:38.000 You know, it's interesting.
00:05:40.000 Not everybody who becomes overweight becomes diabetic.
00:05:43.000 Not everybody that's type 2 diabetic is overweight.
00:05:46.000 And that's some of the difficulty in pinning this stuff down.
00:05:50.000 There's a lot of unique genetic variation in there.
00:05:53.000 And you know, there's some interesting studies where there's certain cohorts of people That are significantly overweight, but they never experience any of these metabolic deranging diseases, type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, neurodegenerative disease.
00:06:08.000 And so it becomes kind of complex ferreting out who has the real problems and what do we need to do to address that.
00:06:15.000 From an orthopedic standpoint, we could make an argument that being lighter would be good.
00:06:20.000 It'll be better on your hips, better on your knees.
00:06:22.000 Oh, and my back.
00:06:23.000 And how old are you right now?
00:06:24.000 It'd be better on his wife. 0.99
00:06:26.000 I am 45 years old.
00:06:29.000 They've got me supplementing with vitamin D, which is giving me more energy as well.
00:06:33.000 Yeah, my back went out.
00:06:35.000 I ended up calling Stephen because I knew that his back had gone out before.
00:06:38.000 He's the back-out expert, yeah.
00:06:42.000 My back's been out since, like, 2010.
00:06:45.000 He's back and he's out.
00:06:47.000 Oh, geez.
00:06:48.000 Well, that's the Planet Fitness video.
00:06:50.000 The thing is, I want to dive into it, but we're going to have to go to a break in 30 seconds.
00:06:53.000 But, yeah, you know, it's funny that you say that, Rob.
00:06:56.000 It's hard.
00:06:56.000 Like, you can pull—we've talked about this before—you can pull people out of the population— And different weights and all of them will have different problems.
00:07:03.000 It seems like the crossover is very difficult to find.
00:07:06.000 Okay, let's just go to a break real quick.
00:07:08.000 That way we can let Rob dig in with us schlubs and actually teach us Louder with Crowder.
00:07:13.000 We'll be back after the break.
00:07:14.000 Back on Louder with Crowder, Rob Wolf, robwolf.com.
00:07:17.000 One of the most popular health and fitness podcasts in the history of the universe.
00:07:21.000 Right, Rob?
00:07:22.000 Yeah, but that's a clear sign that there's a lack of real talent in that vertical.
00:07:26.000 Is it?
00:07:26.000 Okay.
00:07:27.000 It's kind of like us with news and politics.
00:07:27.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:07:31.000 So Fundip was talking about this, so he's looking to lose weight.
00:07:35.000 To give you an idea, Fundip would come in and he would have Hebrew National hot dogs for breakfast.
00:07:40.000 I mean, we have it on video.
00:07:41.000 It's beef.
00:07:42.000 Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
00:07:44.000 I see no real issue with that, yeah.
00:07:45.000 It's the buns that'll kill you. 1.00
00:07:47.000 Yeah.
00:07:47.000 Yes.
00:07:48.000 So now they have you doing what some people would see as more traditional, right, Rob?
00:07:52.000 Like more traditional dieting, calorie restriction, but not necessarily looking at the food groups.
00:07:56.000 What would you do with Fun Dip to make him the best Fun Dip he can be?
00:08:02.000 You know, the key with this stuff, and it gets a little geeky, but we need to find foods that you just really can't overeat with.
00:08:11.000 And so we were talking about, you know, the majestic Cheeto here a minute, or just maybe we need to call them orange cheese puffs so that we don't have undue branding applied to that.
00:08:21.000 Yeah.
00:08:22.000 You know, lean meats, fruits, vegetables, even things like a baked potato plain versus a baked potato with a bunch of ranch and sour cream and butter on it.
00:08:33.000 If we move towards simple meals, simple plates, then it becomes very difficult to overeat on that.
00:08:40.000 But one of the...
00:08:42.000 The things that we find is that people say that they become bored and kind of woven into our genetics is this thing called palate fatigue.
00:08:48.000 Like we just get bored with the stuff that's in front of us.
00:08:51.000 And we now live in an environment where we have an infinite variety of foods, an infinite variety of flavors and textures and whatnot.
00:08:58.000 And if you look at the strategies that professional food eaters employ, like a guy will be on a contest to eat 10 pounds of ice cream in like 15 minutes or something.
00:09:08.000 And the guy is eight pounds in and he bogs down and the guy will order a plate of salty French fries, eat some French fries to get a change in the flavor.
00:09:18.000 And then he's able to eat the rest of the food, which is really kind of counterintuitive.
00:09:22.000 You know, you figure that once your belly is full, that you're completely full.
00:09:26.000 But a lot of our appetite is driven by our brain and the flavors that we send to the brain and whatnot will determine how much we eat or if we eat within kind of reasonable parameters.
00:09:37.000 So what tends to be successful, and this is regardless of if you eat low carb or paleo or vegan or whatever, it tends to limit food.
00:09:44.000 Don't say that word.
00:09:44.000 We don't allow that word on the show.
00:09:46.000 No eating vegans.
00:09:50.000 I don't have the warm snugglies for me either, but, you know, there's a reality that you can pick almost any eating plan and it performs better than the American dietetics recommended plan, which is take any food that's available.
00:10:03.000 And food is very strongly in quotation points, like a Twinkie is considered a food, and you're just supposed to limit the portion sizes on that.
00:10:10.000 But when you have these foods that have been cooked up by a chemist to be hyper palatable and taste really good and have this amazing, you know, kind of mouthfeel, It's very, very difficult.
00:10:21.000 What's the Lay's commercial?
00:10:22.000 Bet you can't eat just one.
00:10:23.000 Oh, yeah.
00:10:25.000 They had in Canada, they had that high sticker, Marc Messier, pushing those things.
00:10:30.000 I mean, it was just pushing them on kids.
00:10:32.000 And you know what?
00:10:33.000 I thought, I bet you he's right, and I bought myself some Lay's.
00:10:37.000 Yeah, and you didn't eat just one.
00:10:38.000 I didn't eat just one.
00:10:39.000 You don't eat just one bag.
00:10:42.000 Yeah, just one bag, one pallet.
00:10:44.000 So it's interesting that almost any dietary approach that limits food options to some degree will tend to be more successful than what the government is telling us to do, but yet then the government dieticians tell us that we have orthorexia or eating disorders by limiting certain types of food.
00:11:02.000 So it's an interesting rope-a-dope where...
00:11:05.000 Let me ask you this, not to get political, but it is a political show.
00:11:08.000 Why does the government...
00:11:10.000 They seem to consistently want to get more and more involved.
00:11:14.000 I mean, even, listen, I don't believe that the government is necessarily inherently bad or inherently altruistic, right?
00:11:20.000 They're bad.
00:11:21.000 Okay, fund it.
00:11:22.000 But they're increasingly getting involved in an area where they've been wrong.
00:11:25.000 It would seem that if they want to help people, they would hire someone like you or more biochemists, right, to do medical research and nutritional research, as opposed to just, ah, eat 12 servings of grains a day.
00:11:39.000 Well, I'm going to make some folks angry because there are a number of people who tend to be more conservative-leaning that live in states where farm subsidies are kind of part and parcel with their existence.
00:11:53.000 And we really didn't see this issue emerge until around...
00:11:57.000 1970, 1971, when we aggressively subsidized the production of food in the United States.
00:12:04.000 And we had a couple of years where food was just rotting in warehouses.
00:12:08.000 And so people said, well, we can't just increase food production and let it rot.
00:12:12.000 So they started encouraging food manufacturers to figure out ways of making this food long shelf life and stable.
00:12:20.000 And that really was the beginning of, you know, snack wells and all the junk food that we see today.
00:12:26.000 So we have a really complex food system.
00:12:28.000 Oh, snack wells.
00:12:29.000 Are those still around?
00:12:30.000 I think they're still around and they still have an American Heart Association stamp on it.
00:12:33.000 Is that the green box, right?
00:12:35.000 They would have like all the cookies?
00:12:36.000 Oh, their devil's food cookies were just insanely good.
00:12:41.000 They're not bad.
00:12:42.000 I wouldn't kick them out of bed for sure.
00:12:44.000 So...
00:12:45.000 So, you know, I mean, it's a really complex story.
00:12:48.000 You have a lot of money, a lot of political interests that are vested in this.
00:12:52.000 You have a lot of people that derive their current income from what I call farmer welfare, which pisses a lot of people off.
00:12:59.000 Oh, I know.
00:13:00.000 Well, we talked about that with Lear Keith, too, and it's funny, this idea.
00:13:04.000 And I think she's wrong on a lot of issues, obviously, but this idea that, well, we have to save the farmer.
00:13:09.000 And any time you get into that, By the way, the welfare is being given to these giant corporate mega farms, too.
00:13:15.000 The government gets involved just like banks.
00:13:16.000 It's not the little guys.
00:13:17.000 No, it's not the little guys.
00:13:18.000 And it's like, oh, we have to save the orange farm in Florida because of tomatoes in Colorado.
00:13:23.000 That's probably scientifically inaccurate.
00:13:24.000 They probably don't grow tomatoes in Colorado.
00:13:25.000 But you get my point, Robert.
00:13:27.000 Yes, I do.
00:13:28.000 I do.
00:13:29.000 Yeah.
00:13:29.000 And so, I mean, it's a complex issue.
00:13:32.000 And, you know, interestingly, I don't know if you guys talked about this on the show, but after 60 years of demonizing dietary cholesterol, the government did a complete retraction on that story.
00:13:43.000 And part of that story said that – and I'll paraphrase it and I'll totally butcher it – In the future, we need to be much less arrogant about the assumptions that we make and let the data really stand for itself.
00:13:55.000 And that was kind of a bold statement to come out of an institution like the folks that put that report out.
00:14:02.000 Well, that's what I was bringing up initially, and I misspoke.
00:14:04.000 I was talking about the food pyramid.
00:14:04.000 I meant the cholesterol, the cholesterol dietary guidelines.
00:14:08.000 I mean you must have just been through the roof happy about that because people have been saying that for years.
00:14:12.000 And it's like doctors have been slow to get on board because they're still afraid of cholesterol until finally they said, hey, this is just the reality.
00:14:19.000 Yeah, you know, there was never any data to support the idea that cholesterol caused heart disease in the beginning, that dietary cholesterol caused heart disease in the beginning.
00:14:26.000 And we spent 50, 60 years and billions of dollars trying to prove something that never had really a scrap of evidence right from the get-go.
00:14:36.000 Why were they trying to prove it, though?
00:14:38.000 That's my question.
00:14:39.000 Why did they set out to – it seems that they set out to prove cholesterol as the villain, not is it good, is it bad?
00:14:45.000 It seems like if you look at the studies, they were geared toward proving cholesterol as the dietary culprit.
00:14:51.000 Am I wrong or why did it seem that way?
00:14:52.000 No, no, they did, and the folks that wrote the report were largely non-scientists who were vegetarian.
00:14:57.000 Ugh.
00:14:58.000 And so that's where it really all started from.
00:15:03.000 You know, there was a committee that sat down to write these reports and they were vegetarian.
00:15:07.000 And there is some reality in the research world that if you feed rabbits cholesterol, that they will develop atherosclerosis.
00:15:17.000 But rabbits are herbivores, they're not omnivores like we are.
00:15:20.000 And so we react to dietary cholesterol very, very differently.
00:15:24.000 And there is a genetic disease, familial hypercholesterolemia, where folks tend to die young.
00:15:30.000 They die from coronary artery disease.
00:15:33.000 They have exceptionally high blood cholesterol and lipoprotein levels.
00:15:38.000 And so they had a genetic disease where they saw it very rapidly advancing cardiovascular disease.
00:15:44.000 And they had an animal model that seemed to say that dietary cholesterol was a causative factor.
00:15:50.000 There's some correlation there, but even in the early iterations of this story, that was very weak science and the science that was really trying to implicate dietary cholesterol as being causative in cardiovascular disease.
00:16:03.000 There was really nothing there.
00:16:04.000 But there were some kind of red herrings out there that directed people in a false direction and created a story that was palatable to people.
00:16:11.000 Yeah.
00:16:12.000 Well, that's what my dad's doctor—actually, he's a great doctor, but even he was like, well, keep your eggs limited.
00:16:16.000 And so my dad did the green smoothies, and I talked about that.
00:16:19.000 I did that for a long time.
00:16:21.000 Just horrible for my thyroid.
00:16:22.000 Blending up some fruit is fine with some kefir and some—I'll actually put in some egg yolks.
00:16:28.000 I basically made a homemade eggnog.
00:16:29.000 It's delicious.
00:16:30.000 Right.
00:16:31.000 But yeah, the green smoothie trend now.
00:16:34.000 I mean, you see that health expert on TV. I can't use the actual, I guess, patented term.
00:16:40.000 Let's call it Nutri-Smoothie.
00:16:42.000 And everyone's just like, well, if I just throw everything and go ape crap crazy in a blender, I'll be healthy.
00:16:48.000 Yeah, we'll be capping like a goose, but oh well.
00:16:51.000 I tend to eat a lot of salmon and a lot of flank steak and even ground beef.
00:16:58.000 If I make a decent sloppy joe and don't use the bun, I can't imagine there's anything wrong with tomato sauce and ground beef.
00:17:05.000 No.
00:17:06.000 I mean, it's great stuff.
00:17:08.000 And, you know, the thing that should drive all this, particularly on an individual level...
00:17:13.000 You should be able to experiment and figure out what works for you.
00:17:17.000 Clearly, I have kind of this paleo-ancestral diet kind of orientation.
00:17:21.000 Let's say I'm crazy and I don't know what I'm talking about, though.
00:17:24.000 But people could try this stuff on like a sweater.
00:17:26.000 You get some blood work done.
00:17:28.000 You do something for 30 or 60 days.
00:17:30.000 Get some blood work done at the end of it.
00:17:32.000 And if your cholesterol looks better and you feel and perform better, then we're on a good track.
00:17:36.000 If things are looking goofy, then we have...
00:17:39.000 Some really simple other templates that we can use.
00:17:41.000 Again, whether it's vegetarian or vegan or what have you, let's really let the outcome-based medicine drive that story.
00:17:48.000 It's funny you say that because, full disclosure, Rob and I have worked together behind the scenes a little bit, really just kind of some advice.
00:17:48.000 Well, you know what?
00:17:55.000 So I have the cholesterol numbers in front of me.
00:17:57.000 May I, Rob?
00:17:58.000 Yeah, please.
00:17:59.000 This was my cholesterol was 219.
00:18:01.000 And actually, it was always pretty good.
00:18:02.000 My cholesterol was 219, LDL 140, HDL 60.
00:18:06.000 Triglycerides were a little higher than ideal at 94.
00:18:10.000 And that was when I was doing a lot of green smoothies, kind of more, not vegetarian, but limiting the meat because that's what I was told.
00:18:15.000 Then I said, okay, started eating more eggs, meat in the morning.
00:18:19.000 Not no carb, not paleo, full disclosure, but...
00:18:22.000 More focused more on on meat and didn't bother with fat and eliminating a lot of refined carbohydrates cholesterol went from 219 to 178 LDL went from 140 to 115 HDL stayed about the same it went to 54 triglycerides dropped from 94 to 59 Yeah.
00:18:40.000 And the triglycerides are the indicator of how insulin resistant you are.
00:18:44.000 Right.
00:18:44.000 And so you went from heading down the road towards diabetes to completely pulling that back and you're never going to become diabetic from that.
00:18:50.000 And every well-controlled randomized control trial that's compared like a little bit higher fat, higher protein diet with a higher carbohydrate diet, particularly refined carbohydrates, we see this again and again.
00:19:02.000 When people eat more protein, more fat, their blood lipids tend to go in a favorable direction.
00:19:07.000 They tend to spontaneously eat less, which it's funny.
00:19:11.000 researchers will then add more food to try to keep the calories even because in science, you do want to compare apples to apples.
00:19:19.000 But the irony is that if you just simply eat more protein and fat, you tend to eat fewer calories overall.
00:19:25.000 And that's the problem ultimately is people overeat.
00:19:28.000 And that was kind of my point earlier about the neuro regulation of appetite.
00:19:31.000 If we eat certain foods, they tend to tell our brain, hey, we're good.
00:19:36.000 We're finished.
00:19:37.000 We've eaten enough and then you're satisfied and you don't feel hungry.
00:19:40.000 And it has all these great metabolic benefits too.
00:19:42.000 So probably the best thing would be to eat the nuts, eat the hot dogs without the bun, eat more steaks, eat more chicken, and then got to have some greens I would imagine.
00:19:57.000 My My two favorite greens are broccoli and Brussels sprouts.
00:20:00.000 Yeah.
00:20:01.000 Yeah, lots of fruits and vegetables within that template, and I think you're set.
00:20:05.000 So, like, breakfast could be the Hebrew Nation hot dog with a... 0.97
00:20:09.000 Well, hold on one second.
00:20:10.000 I have to let you go.
00:20:11.000 We'll be right back after the break with a personalized Fun Dip diet plan.
00:20:14.000 Rob Wolf, stay tuned.
00:20:15.000 We're back.
00:20:16.000 Rob Wolf on Louder with Crowder.
00:20:18.000 Okay, so, Rob, we asked you a question, and then you got all science-y on us.
00:20:22.000 And people pass out.
00:20:23.000 I'm the perfect cure for insomnia.
00:20:25.000 I talk, and people fall asleep.
00:20:27.000 Well, you know, that's a big part of your plan with recovery is proper sleep.
00:20:31.000 You're a big advocate.
00:20:32.000 If you sleep better, you will be healthier across the board.
00:20:34.000 So they did recommend today that I need to take a sleep apnea test, and I'm really leery of that because of all the things glued to your head.
00:20:44.000 I don't know how I would even survive it.
00:20:46.000 You know, I would hold...
00:20:50.000 So the deal with sleep apnea is that if you aren't sleeping well, that can make you very, very insulin resistant.
00:20:50.000 Man.
00:20:57.000 We work a lot with police, military, and fire.
00:20:59.000 And those folks, because of their shift work, even if they eat well, even if they exercise a lot, they become very insulin resistant and can look like a type 2 diabetic.
00:21:07.000 So if you have sleep disturbance, there could be an argument for using like a CPAP machine to help you sleep better and you use it for two or three months until your weight drops and you're – but they said that you weren't insulin resistant though.
00:21:21.000 I think that they thought, well, he's a fat guy.
00:21:24.000 Clearly we need to get him a CPAP. Right.
00:21:27.000 You know, you – I know it's strange, but it's true.
00:21:32.000 I'm just trying to figure out how to tactfully transition to the next topic.
00:21:37.000 You can't!
00:21:39.000 There's no way to just dive in!
00:21:41.000 There's this fat bugger over here. 0.99
00:21:43.000 He needs a CPAP. Just give him three of them.
00:21:45.000 He'll eat them.
00:21:46.000 Shifting gears some way.
00:21:48.000 You could get a Jawbone or some sort of a sleep monitoring app on your iPhone or smartphone.
00:21:55.000 Do they have that for the flip phone?
00:21:59.000 You're thinking Java.
00:22:01.000 I think that they have a rotary dial for that.
00:22:05.000 Well, I got that in the basement.
00:22:07.000 Okay, perfect.
00:22:08.000 But, you know, there's some really cheap, inexpensive things that can give you an idea if you're just having terrible sleep.
00:22:14.000 If you're having terrible sleep, demarcated by your waking up multiple times a night and whatnot.
00:22:20.000 Then you could go in, get a sleep study, possibly use the CPAP to get you over the hump so that if you sleep better, you will absolutely become less insulin resistant and you will lose weight more effectively.
00:22:30.000 You don't seem to have that problem.
00:22:34.000 You seem to sleep well.
00:22:35.000 You don't snore a lot.
00:22:36.000 Well, you don't have insulin resistance, that's for sure.
00:22:38.000 Yeah, no insulin resistance.
00:22:39.000 I don't know if I snore a lot.
00:22:40.000 The cat doesn't say so.
00:22:42.000 Okay.
00:22:43.000 Hard to say.
00:22:44.000 But I do get up now that I'm over 40 and wake up a couple of times at night to take care of stuff as far as, you know, restroom and that.
00:22:53.000 Well, you know, that is another interesting side effect of carrying extra fat mass is that we tend to...
00:23:01.000 Within our fat, yeah, I'm going to be burned at the stake.
00:23:05.000 Within our fat, we have an enzyme called aromatase, which converts testosterone into estrogen.
00:23:10.000 And when that estrogen level goes up, then it tends to irritate the prostate.
00:23:15.000 That is true.
00:23:16.000 When I go on bulking cycles, I always notice.
00:23:19.000 I mean, I don't go on bulking cycles, but when I'm like, hey, it's winter and I'm lifting heavy, so I'm not concerned about it, and I put on maybe 10 pounds, I always notice I have to get up to the bathroom.
00:23:27.000 Yeah.
00:23:28.000 So, I mean, that is one of the sneaky side effects of carrying excess body fat is that you will convert testosterone into estrogen.
00:23:36.000 And biology played a really interesting trick on men.
00:23:39.000 The part of the brain that regulates testosterone levels responds to estrogen.
00:23:44.000 So your estrogen levels go up, and then the brain gets this feedback loop, and it sees high estrogen levels, and then it says, well, we have adequate testosterone, so it actually down-regulates testosterone production.
00:23:55.000 And you get in this very vicious, feed-forward kind of situation with that.
00:23:59.000 Yeah, that's exactly what the prolactinoma does.
00:24:02.000 It's on the pituitary gland, and it's this growth, and it reduces the testosterone, and it increases the estrogen, and I end up liking art, French films, and cats.
00:24:14.000 We could talk later.
00:24:17.000 Offline, yeah.
00:24:18.000 He's like, hey, I want to go out with Fun Dip.
00:24:20.000 I'm getting hit on now by Rob.
00:24:22.000 Fun Dip also admitted on air that he would engage in relations with a transgender man, so he is definitely going full up. 0.94
00:24:29.000 You have a dress, Rob.
00:24:32.000 I never...
00:24:35.000 I'm sorry, Rob.
00:24:36.000 I'm sorry.
00:24:37.000 My daughter has many tutus.
00:24:38.000 Does that count?
00:24:39.000 I don't know.
00:24:40.000 I don't think they'll fit you.
00:24:41.000 You know, something I would throw to your doctor, and some docs freak out about this, but while you're trying to lose weight, while you're in that process, seeing if the doctor would be willing to get you on a Remadex, which is an aromatase inhibitor, you could make a very strong argument for that, improving your...
00:24:58.000 Prostate function and also helping to naturally raise your testosterone levels.
00:25:03.000 Although with the prolactinoma, there may be some contraindications with that.
00:25:07.000 But that might be something to run up the flagpole with them.
00:25:09.000 The prostate thing is called a RIMA what?
00:25:11.000 A RIMADEX. A RIMADEX. And it originally was a cancer drug for breast cancer that responds to estrogen.
00:25:18.000 But what it does is it prevents the conversion of testosterone into estrogen.
00:25:22.000 Trevor Burrus And then there's also like clomiphene citrate, Clomid, I know, but it acts differently, right?
00:25:26.000 Where it's – is it like an estrogen?
00:25:28.000 Is it like an analog kind of?
00:25:31.000 Aaron Ross Powell Clomid actually stimulates the production of testosterone.
00:25:34.000 It produces luteinizing hormone and actually causes the release of testosterone.
00:25:39.000 And so that would be if somebody due to metabolic issues or inflammation, like they've basically taken their testicles offline and you need to – Trevor Burrus Fondep's wife has done that.
00:25:50.000 Wing the bell.
00:25:53.000 No, not her testicles. 1.00
00:25:55.000 I meant Fundip's testicles.
00:25:56.000 I knew what you meant.
00:25:57.000 So, Rob, okay.
00:25:57.000 Okay, good.
00:25:58.000 We don't have too much time, and I feel like we've already ruined reputation.
00:26:02.000 So let me bring it back.
00:26:04.000 Like, simplify for Fundip, right?
00:26:06.000 Because we might even start a fitness log here on the YouTube channel.
00:26:09.000 For those listening terrestrially, ladderwithcredder.com, you can stay up to date.
00:26:13.000 What should Fundip be doing, right?
00:26:14.000 Like you see him bringing in his lunchbox.
00:26:16.000 What would be – Fundip loves his Hebrew Nationals.
00:26:19.000 He loves his beef.
00:26:20.000 He loves – Salmon.
00:26:22.000 Salmon, all that stuff.
00:26:24.000 What should he be doing to make it sustainable and just lose weight and not be – like you said, not be longing for stuff, the Cheetos?
00:26:30.000 You know, the point there about sustainability is really the key.
00:26:33.000 And usually what we need is enough variety so that we stick on a reasonable plan, not so much variety, that the variety becomes cheese puffs.
00:26:42.000 So, you know, like the Hebrew National in the morning with a...
00:26:47.000 A couple of handfuls of nuts, do a couple of ounces in a Ziploc bag.
00:26:52.000 Lunch could be salmon with a bunch of veggies.
00:26:57.000 Epidemiologically, the coffee seems to be the more you drink, the longer you live.
00:27:01.000 So I wouldn't have many issues with that.
00:27:04.000 How about beans and cheese?
00:27:07.000 I like beans to a certain extent.
00:27:10.000 I like sauerkraut.
00:27:13.000 And I need cheese.
00:27:14.000 I have to have like a good 10-year cheddar.
00:27:16.000 Is that okay?
00:27:17.000 That's fine.
00:27:18.000 Yeah.
00:27:18.000 That's fine.
00:27:19.000 You know, so within that framework, just get as much variety as you can, but keep the meals relatively simple, like one or two items per meal.
00:27:28.000 And then maybe you run a week or two with basically the same breakfast, lunch, dinner.
00:27:32.000 And then you really change it up.
00:27:34.000 So instead of the Hebrew National for breakfast, then it's like a hot link and some coconut chips or something.
00:27:39.000 Like it's still kind of the same template, but you're changing it up.
00:27:42.000 You're changing the textures.
00:27:44.000 You're changing the seasonings.
00:27:46.000 And then that way you won't be completely burned out on this versus three months of Hebrew National and then going crazy.
00:27:51.000 Well, yeah, just ditch the damn fruit cups, Fun Dip. 0.86
00:27:54.000 That's what I'm saying.
00:27:55.000 Like I don't – the problem is you have like these nutritionists who go out there and they're giving Fun Dip advice based on, like you said, the FDA guidelines, which are outdated already, and they're even acknowledging now.
00:28:05.000 So Fundip, I think you'll be happier with this.
00:28:08.000 You'll be able to eat the stuff you like.
00:28:09.000 And, I mean, I think it'll just, I think it'll work.
00:28:12.000 That's why I wanted to have an intervention with Rob and bring him on.
00:28:16.000 Basically, he was throwing you under the bus to die by bringing you on.
00:28:19.000 Well, as long as it's a red double-decker bus, I'm okay.
00:28:21.000 Perfect.
00:28:22.000 Oh, gosh.
00:28:22.000 You and your Doctor Who.
00:28:25.000 No, that's just my fascination with London.
00:28:29.000 But yeah, he's got the TARDIS. He knows what's going on.
00:28:31.000 But the red double-decker bus ties in with London Calling, my show on Saturday nights, 10 p.m.
00:28:35.000 to midnight.
00:28:36.000 I play the best.
00:28:36.000 All right.
00:28:38.000 Since you're going to do that, let's let Rob get his plug-in.
00:28:41.000 Rob, if people want to find you and learn more about sensible diet, health, nutrition, where should they go?
00:28:49.000 Well, now that I'm on parole, they can usually find me at robwolf.com, two B's, R-O-B-B-W-O-L-F. And then I have a podcast that, oddly enough, is in the top five on iTunes, The Paleo Solution.
00:29:03.000 So you can check that stuff out.
00:29:04.000 That's true.
00:29:04.000 And we've stolen some of your guests.
00:29:06.000 Gary Wilson with Your Brain on Porn was a great guest.
00:29:11.000 You get used to it after a while.
00:29:13.000 Yeah.
00:29:14.000 What?
00:29:14.000 Oh, gosh.
00:29:16.000 He's like, what?
00:29:17.000 It took me a while to catch it, and then I realized, of course it comes from a perverted place with Fundip. 0.87
00:29:23.000 So, Rob, thank you so much for coming on.
00:29:25.000 And what we would love to do is have you come back on, and we'll follow Fundip's progress and see where he's going.
00:29:31.000 And if it doesn't work, we'll totally throw you under the bus and blame it all on you.
00:29:34.000 Perfect.
00:29:35.000 Perfect.
00:29:35.000 Any failure on your part, you can attribute to me.
00:29:38.000 There you go.
00:29:39.000 It's all Rob's fault.
00:29:40.000 Yes.
00:29:40.000 And any success we will attribute to Oprah.
00:29:42.000 Rob Wolf, thank you very much, but we must let you go.