Louder with Crowder - So, I Went to a Black Barbershop... | Black & White On The Gray Issues

00:00:00.000 Canada has not only done blackface, he's done it like 15 times. 0.99

00:00:04.000 Damn, really? 0.99

00:00:05.000 This is the worst one. 1.00

00:00:05.000 This is the Prime Minister. 1.00

00:00:07.000 Oh, okay.

00:00:07.000 Oh!

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00:00:10.000 Yeah, yeah.

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00:00:12.000 Oh, wow. 0.69

00:00:13.000 The chasm between white and black Americans is growing wider with each passing year.

00:00:20.000 Views, culture, general outlook on life are so different that even living in the same community, sharing the same space, is something that's almost unfeasible.

00:00:30.000 At least, that's what you'd believe if you're an avid consumer of legacy media.

00:00:37.000 If the world falls apart, trust should not be doled out easily to anyone, especially white people.

00:00:43.000 Here's the thing I've noticed, and you can comment if this is the same for you.

00:00:47.000 It doesn't match up at all with my lived experiences, and that's what's inspired me to actually do it for the likes of these legacy media outlets.

00:00:55.000 Refuse to do it.

00:00:57.000 Get out into the community and have real conversations with average Americans.

00:01:02.000 White Americans. 0.51

00:01:02.000 Black Americans. 0.51

00:01:03.000 Not caricatures of what the media thinks black people are.

00:01:08.000 People like Van Jones.

00:01:09.000 Black people are at risk from police.

00:01:12.000 In the latest installment of this series, I've made my way to a cultural mainstay in modern black American society, the barber shop.

00:01:20.000 Because really, what better place to find authentic, unfiltered perspective than the place that's iconically known as the breeding ground for conversation in the black community.

00:01:32.000 And what did I find?

00:01:33.000 Are black and white Americans as far apart from each other as we've been told?

00:01:38.000 Well, see for yourselves.

00:01:40.000 This is Black and White on the Great Issues.

00:01:45.000 You, uh, you gonna redo your beard? 0.98

00:01:49.000 You gonna make me look like a photo-negative Drake or some sh**? 0.98

00:01:49.000 What are you gonna do? 0.98

00:01:56.000 Well most people, from my estimation, most people are afraid of the backlash that's just gonna come with it if you get it wrong.

00:02:03.000 at that time.

00:02:04.000 Okay.

00:02:05.000 Come on.

00:02:06.000 We don't.

00:02:07.000 Why people don't go, why people don't get their hair done like this?

00:02:17.000 Well most people, from my estimation, most people are afraid of the backlash that's just

00:02:22.000 going to come with it if you get it wrong.

00:02:24.000 Yeah.

00:02:25.000 You know, whereas, you know, I think you have the room to be wrong if you don't know what,

00:02:30.000 who's to say that you wrong.

00:02:31.000 Like I said, I, one of the things I agreed with you with was, so what you're saying is, so for all this time that this has been correct, now this short amount of time, everybody's got to change on the dime and come to the other side.

00:02:44.000 That's going to be hard.

00:02:45.000 Yeah.

00:02:46.000 It's gonna be hard to change people's minds.

00:02:48.000 I'm a he and a her. 1.00

00:02:49.000 That's it.

00:02:50.000 That's about all I got.

00:02:51.000 Yeah, I know.

00:02:52.000 That offends you.

00:02:53.000 I can call you by your names, but that's it.

00:02:55.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:02:56.000 You know, look, I think they always try and misconstrue it, right?

00:02:58.000 This is, we're talking about like the divide and conquer from the media.

00:03:00.000 It's like, look, just because I think that male and female is a thing doesn't mean I hate you.

00:03:05.000 Doesn't mean I hate you, but you can't restructure society and not replace it with anything.

00:03:10.000 Like, they don't have an answer.

00:03:11.000 It's like, so how many genders are there? 0.84

00:03:12.000 Well, I don't know.

00:03:13.000 Well, how many can we put in a driver's license?

00:03:15.000 Well, I don't know.

00:03:16.000 Well, how many pronouns do I have to learn?

00:03:18.000 Well, I don't know.

00:03:19.000 Whatever someone wants. 1.00

00:03:20.000 Well, that's stupid. 0.99

00:03:22.000 Now you gotta go to each individual person and preface everything with what's your pronoun. 0.99

00:03:28.000 Instead of just, hey, Ted, what's your name?

00:03:28.000 Yeah.

00:03:30.000 You know, hey, guy, what's your name?

00:03:32.000 It's way too much.

00:03:33.000 And I know society has villainized anybody that doesn't.

00:03:40.000 If you don't sway with the alphabet community, You're gonna catch the wrath, you know, if it's possible.

00:03:47.000 Well, look what happened with Dave Chappelle.

00:03:50.000 When they came after him, and then he doubled down, which, you know, made him a hero, basically.

00:03:54.000 Yeah, and he was independent enough and independently wealthy enough to where you can't stop my money.

00:04:00.000 See, that's the thing.

00:04:00.000 If you're attached to anything where they can cut you off, that's the power they have over you.

00:04:05.000 But if you're independent of that, if you can't take my bread away, you know, you get a little more freedom and a little more leeway to kind of operate like that.

00:04:15.000 Well he, yeah, he experienced that.

00:04:16.000 That was, you know, that was kind of new.

00:04:18.000 Right, where the LGBT, like they came for... Oh yeah! 1.00

00:04:21.000 They came for a, like a black celebrity. 0.94

00:04:23.000 And a big celebrity.

00:04:24.000 Yeah.

00:04:25.000 And a big one at that.

00:04:26.000 But he had people, he had people standing up for him.

00:04:28.000 Oh, of course, yeah.

00:04:29.000 Oh, and he had, he had alphabet community people standing up for him.

00:04:33.000 Oh yeah.

00:04:33.000 We're trying to practice, you're trying to impose way too much upon people.

00:04:39.000 Oh yeah.

00:04:40.000 You know, uh...

00:04:42.000 Alright.

00:04:43.000 When you abuse or mistreat somebody, that's one thing.

00:04:45.000 But things that people don't know or don't understand, you have to give people room to grow to that understanding.

00:04:52.000 And even if they never do understand, you gotta find a common ground

00:04:55.000 to where you can at least get along.

00:04:57.000 Yeah. 0.75

00:04:58.000 Yeah, oh no, yeah, a lot of people don't realize, like my booking agent, he's a gay Cuban. 0.91

00:05:03.000 And he's the, you would think if you didn't know, like super gay. 0.99

00:05:06.000 The most homophobic motherfucker you've ever met in your life, just because he'll be like, these trans people are out of their, I watched him, I swear to you, we were at a steakhouse right here, and he's gay, he's there with his boyfriend, he's against gay marriage and he's gay, but it's just really, he's like, well I just don't understand, I'm just gay, I don't want to get married, it's like this, they're pissing me off. 1.00

00:05:27.000 I'm like, William, you can't say that. 1.00

00:05:29.000 He's like, no, you can't say that, only I can say that.

00:05:32.000 But he was sitting there, he had two drinks in, and the server was a white woman. 0.98

00:05:36.000 She goes, I don't really understand the whole, like, the new gender queer, like, pansexual. 0.91

00:05:41.000 And she's asking him because he's gay, so she thinks he knows. 0.99

00:05:44.000 And he's a gay Cuban guy, and he just looks at her and he goes, they're all murderers. 1.00

00:05:50.000 I'm like, I'm just telling you, having lived in these... It used to be drag queens were funny. 0.98

00:05:55.000 We did drag queen shows.

00:05:57.000 We weren't doing it in libraries with children.

00:05:59.000 This has gone way too f***ing far.

00:06:00.000 And he loses his mind. 0.98

00:06:02.000 But not all gay and lesbian people are on board with all of this. 0.99

00:06:02.000 He loses his mind. 0.99

00:06:05.000 They're not represented.

00:06:05.000 That's the thing too.

00:06:07.000 Right, it's never absolute.

00:06:08.000 It's never absolute, but the loudest, the squeaky wheels get to all.

00:06:11.000 So, you know, if you get enough loud ones that are on that side, they kind of drown out the ones that are, you know, a little more sensible or a little more amenable to other people's ideas.

00:06:24.000 Yeah, you would think it's one of those things where there's a real disconnect.

00:06:28.000 Like, Connell, you were talking about in the military, like people who are, you know, people with pens versus people with guns.

00:06:33.000 There's a real disconnect between elites in power and the average American citizen.

00:06:37.000 Oh, there's a huge disconnect.

00:06:38.000 Yeah.

00:06:39.000 You put a bridge between that, man.

00:06:40.000 You put a whole, you say you put a whole bridge up.

00:06:43.000 Sorry, I can't hear you, I got the razor.

00:06:44.000 I'm saying I didn't hear you.

00:06:44.000 What was that?

00:06:45.000 I was saying there's a real difference between the elites in power and the average American citizen.

00:06:49.000 Like, they try and make it seem like either, you know, it's like roots with gay dudes or you're pro-LGB.

00:06:49.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:06:56.000 It's like, no, hold on, there's a middle ground where a lot of people are like, no, do whatever you want, that's fine, but you can't just say there are limitless genders and then in Canada they'll fine you for hate speech if you use the wrong pronouns.

00:07:05.000 Wow.

00:07:05.000 Yeah.

00:07:06.000 Oh yeah.

00:07:07.000 I have a friend, you know this is why I come from background as a comic, a friend in Canada who was fined for a joke.

00:07:15.000 For a joke?

00:07:16.000 For a joke.

00:07:17.000 So the freedom of speech doesn't extend to Canada the same way it does here?

00:07:21.000 No.

00:07:21.000 No, not at all.

00:07:22.000 And it wasn't even like, it wasn't even a racist joke, or it's not that I would make it acceptable, it wasn't racist, it wasn't sexist, it wasn't homophobic.

00:07:28.000 It was a joke about a kid from a Make-A-Wish Foundation who, he was like on their version of American Idol.

00:07:35.000 And, uh, what happened is, you know, everyone supported this kid.

00:07:39.000 So I'm butchering the joke because I don't remember it, but he literally got fined, put before a human rights tribunal.

00:07:43.000 His joke was like, okay, we all supported this kid.

00:07:46.000 We all wanted him to be on Canadian Idol.

00:07:48.000 And the kid was awful, right?

00:07:49.000 But it was like a make-a-wish thing.

00:07:50.000 He's like... And so we did it.

00:07:52.000 We voted for him.

00:07:52.000 We supported it.

00:07:54.000 But now this has gone on five years, and he just, like, he still won't die.

00:07:58.000 That was his...

00:07:58.000 Right.

00:08:01.000 But it turns out the kid's mom lied about what he had, later on.

00:08:04.000 Oh wow, so like the girl, that was her way to get in. 1.00

00:08:08.000 Like the girl that, the girl that her mom made up all the s**t that she had? 0.98

00:08:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.96

00:08:12.000 The Munchausen by Proxy thing? 0.96

00:08:13.000 It's called like Munchausen by Proxy.

00:08:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:08:15.000 She runs Fletcher.

00:08:16.000 Yeah, yeah, that gypsy, the gypsy girl. 1.00

00:08:19.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:08:19.000 He was fine for that joke, and the mom was like, this caused unbelievable... They had people donating so much stuff, man.

00:08:24.000 They was like, they was making money.

00:08:25.000 He ain't over 50.

00:08:27.000 Yeah, it's uh...

00:08:29.000 I didn't know Canada didn't have that level of freedom.

00:08:34.000 Oh, no country outside of the U.S.

00:08:35.000 does.

00:08:36.000 There's not a country that has freedom of speech enshrined in the Constitution.

00:08:39.000 And, of course, it's limited here now, too.

00:08:41.000 Oh, yeah, if it comes with consequences.

00:08:44.000 Say what you want.

00:08:45.000 But the consequences that come with it, can you deal with that?

00:08:48.000 No, I don't even think you can say what you want anymore.

00:08:50.000 When you actually have the government telling Spotify to take off Joe Rogan, to me, that's pretty corrupt.

00:08:56.000 You're not even free to say what you want anymore if it's the wrong opinion.

00:08:59.000 It's high-level censorship.

00:09:00.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:09:01.000 It's where the line blurs between what you want and what hurts somebody else.

00:09:05.000 Right.

00:09:06.000 And there's a responsibility in the person that's saying something to be able to be cognizant of how what you're saying has an impact, period.

00:09:16.000 Oh, wow, look at that.

00:09:17.000 Yeah, I get it.

00:09:19.000 Weight cleaner.

00:09:19.000 Way better.

00:09:21.000 I'm gonna start everybody here over there.

00:09:21.000 I look less homeless.

00:09:24.000 Nice talking to you.

00:09:25.000 I appreciate it.

00:09:26.000 Yeah, I know.

00:09:27.000 But you don't have the freedom of speech.

00:09:28.000 Like you said, you gotta deal with the consequences.

00:09:30.000 No, no, no.

00:09:30.000 Quite absolutely.

00:09:31.000 But when did the world become so damn sensitive?

00:09:34.000 Yeah, like always, like, always, everybody got a different level of playing, right?

00:09:39.000 Right.

00:09:40.000 Everybody finds a different level of what's playful.

00:09:42.000 To some people, playful is, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna walk behind you and I'm gonna kick, you know, kick your feet and make you trip over yourself.

00:09:49.000 Haha, that's playful. 0.99

00:09:51.000 And to another dude like Dwight Howard, maybe it's playfulness trying to, you know, playfully grab your genitals. 0.98

00:09:56.000 Some dudes don't play like that. 0.96

00:09:58.000 And everybody don't play the same.

00:10:00.000 I don't think they're... I think those are sex offenders.

00:10:03.000 I don't think that's... Everybody don't play the same. 0.99

00:10:05.000 Oh, this is the old grab my balls games.

00:10:08.000 I mean, Dwight played the game, I guess, you know.

00:10:13.000 No, but the problem, like, use Dave Chappelle as an example.

00:10:16.000 Okay, it's one thing you don't like what he says, right?

00:10:17.000 Right.

00:10:18.000 Don't go see him.

00:10:19.000 Right.

00:10:19.000 It's another thing when you're trying to tell venues that they can't host him when other people want to see him.

00:10:24.000 Like, he's, I mean, he's one of the... Well, and then on top of that, you got to factor in that the whole foundation is that his art form is based in It's being just that.

00:10:24.000 Right.

00:10:37.000 That is his art form.

00:10:38.000 Now you're trying to tell him he can't practice his art.

00:10:40.000 That is his art.

00:10:41.000 That's exactly what the art form is.

00:10:42.000 Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what the art form is. That's what comedy is.

00:10:50.000 Yeah, no, that was really one of those issues. He lost some venues.

00:10:54.000 It's just, the thing about it is absolutely...

00:10:56.000 Oh, here. I guess I'll sit here.

00:10:59.000 It was crazy, but there aren't many people who could... Here's the thing, for every Dave Chappelle you see, right, who's able to do it, like you said, because he's independent, there's 20, 30, 200 more who are just getting started, and they get absolutely shut down, where they can never build a career, because someone says, no, no, you said that, you're not allowed to be at the party.

00:11:16.000 I mean, look at Kevin Hart and the Oscars.

00:11:19.000 Yeah, because he made a gay joke eight years ago.

00:11:23.000 Yeah, I know.

00:11:25.000 Well, I guess they really showed him.

00:11:29.000 He's like the richest comedian on earth now.

00:11:31.000 That guy is all constantly working.

00:11:33.000 My God.

00:11:33.000 I don't even know how that guy is walking upright at this point.

00:11:37.000 His money allowed him to save himself.

00:11:40.000 How many times did Cat Williams get arrested? 1.00

00:11:42.000 Hey, he said He said, arrest, but no conviction.

00:11:42.000 Was it like 400 times in 82 months?

00:11:50.000 I've been arrested many times, but I've never been convicted.

00:11:53.000 You ain't never seen him out? 0.99

00:11:56.000 Oh, this motherfucker doing a Cat Williams over here, thinking he's the only one. 1.00

00:11:59.000 Gotta keep your pimp man strong, motherfucker. 1.00

00:12:02.000 He never been convicted. 1.00

00:12:04.000 Shaving that man's head with my bent-back paper clips and shit. 1.00

00:12:10.000 He said he's never been in court. 1.00

00:12:11.000 Isn't he coming to, uh... Winslow?

00:12:14.000 Winslow, yeah.

00:12:17.000 Yeah, I'm straight.

00:12:18.000 Remember that video of him getting choked out by a 14-year-old?

00:12:20.000 Yes, sir.

00:12:21.000 That's playing soccer.

00:12:22.000 Oh my God.

00:12:23.000 He was playing soccer?

00:12:25.000 He was playing soccer.

00:12:26.000 Something about a 12-year-old.

00:12:27.000 I know, that was tough.

00:12:28.000 About a man-boy.

00:12:31.000 He said it was a man-boy.

00:12:34.000 That was tough to watch, though, man.

00:12:39.000 I felt bad for him.

00:12:40.000 You're like, this guy must be having a rough time if he's getting choked out by a 12-year-old.

00:12:45.000 I mean, you've had to make some bad decisions to end up in that position right there.

00:12:49.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:12:50.000 To ask some questions, but... No, they went after him a lot.

00:12:56.000 He sold his car.

00:12:58.000 He lost his opportunity.

00:13:01.000 Kevin Hart got the turn that was after his head.

00:13:03.000 Yeah.

00:13:04.000 It was his time to beat that guy.

00:13:06.000 But because of the trouble, Kevin Hart was able to step in and take all of those opportunities.

00:13:06.000 Yeah.

00:13:11.000 parlay him into what he is now, but he did it to himself.

00:13:14.000 So, yeah, he's done well for himself.

00:13:16.000 But we say Kevin Hart made money hand over fist.

00:13:19.000 I mean, could you imagine if like prior were coming up today?

00:13:23.000 Can you imagine?

00:13:25.000 Like there's no way that guy would that guy would get in trouble immediately.

00:13:27.000 Yeah, he said he's the best ever.

00:13:29.000 My conversation would be the right.

00:13:31.000 He wouldn't be able to tell the same level of the story.

00:13:33.000 He doesn't.

00:13:34.000 When the rich boy wouldn't be there, he wasn't from there.

00:13:38.000 I know it wouldn't be Richard Pryor, but, you know, Eddie Murphy wouldn't be Eddie Murphy if not for Richard Pryor.

00:13:42.000 Dave Chappelle wouldn't be Dave Chappelle.

00:13:43.000 But as far as... Richard Pryor is the one that put all the music on.

00:13:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:46.000 I know.

00:13:46.000 No, I know.

00:13:46.000 But... You can't offend either way.

00:13:50.000 That's the problem.

00:13:52.000 Some voices probably should be, like, I ain't gonna say shut down, but, like, some stuff you just really don't want to hear.

00:13:59.000 Like, I don't never want to hear Sexy Red again.

00:14:01.000 You hear what?

00:14:02.000 Sexy Red. 1.00

00:14:03.000 You ever heard of Sexy Red?

00:14:04.000 Who's Sexy Red? 1.00

00:14:05.000 Do the homework.

00:14:08.000 Waste about 15 minutes of your time and do your homework.

00:14:12.000 Sexy Red. 1.00

00:14:13.000 He's a young rapper.

00:14:14.000 Oh, you know, I do know Sexy Red. 1.00

00:14:17.000 I was still thinking of comedians.

00:14:18.000 He was saying Red Fox.

00:14:19.000 I was like, is this like a new Red Fox? 0.50

00:14:21.000 Sexy Red? 0.97

00:14:22.000 Everybody's freedom don't need to be free.

00:14:24.000 Yeah.

00:14:25.000 Everybody's freedom don't need to be free.

00:14:25.000 That's just it.

00:14:27.000 Well, they can say it, but the problem is... I mean, yeah, but... Like, the problem is you have people who amplify, like, the people who try and suppress a voice like Chappelle, then they amplify a voice like whatever it is.

00:14:36.000 It could be Sexy Red or, you know, f***ing Cardi B, whatever it is.

00:14:40.000 They're like, oh, no, this is... I mean, the fat pride thing is a big thing now, too, where you're like, oh, we have a health problem in America, and then we're like, no, no, you can't say doctors are not allowed to say you're obese.

00:14:49.000 You don't want a body shame in it, right?

00:14:51.000 Do you want a body shame?

00:14:52.000 Which, I don't even, what was that term again?

00:14:52.000 Yeah.

00:14:54.000 Body shame?

00:14:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:14:55.000 That was invented by fat white women in like 2018. 1.00

00:14:59.000 That's real talk. 0.99

00:15:01.000 She lost an argument with her husband and she was about to be checkmated.

00:15:04.000 She was like, are you body shaming me?

00:15:06.000 That's real talk right there.

00:15:07.000 That's what that Kenyan's calling it. 1.00

00:15:09.000 Once again, if somebody's able to attach a level of offensiveness to any Any conversation that you have, they put you in peril of being ostracized and alienated. 0.94

00:15:24.000 Oh, I got sued by one of those fat models. 1.00

00:15:27.000 Yeah, because the problem is she was out there saying, like, this is healthy. 1.00

00:15:30.000 I said, no, your blood type's pudding, bitch. 1.00

00:15:32.000 Like, that's not healthy. 1.00

00:15:34.000 And she said it caused her irreparable damage, mentally.

00:15:37.000 I'm like, no, what's causing irreparable damage is your liver right now trying to keep up with the enzymes that are flowing through your, like, it's one thing to be overweight, right? 0.90

00:15:45.000 We all agree, don't just beat the shit out of, or make fun of someone because they're struggling with their weight.

00:15:50.000 It's another thing to tell everyone, no, no, you have to say that everybody is beautiful and healthy. 0.98

00:15:55.000 That's a lie.

00:15:56.000 That's the problem.

00:15:57.000 The problem is the lie.

00:15:58.000 People attach so much of their own feelings to what everybody else is supposed to feel.

00:16:06.000 Once again, for anybody that's obese or whatever, if that's truly how you feel, as long as nobody's exacting any punishment upon you, they should be able to feel how they feel about that.

00:16:20.000 Insult you or badger you over that, but I also don't have to go along with you saying that this is healthy and this is, you know, if that's your measure of beauty, so be it.

00:16:34.000 You can't put that upon anybody else.

00:16:36.000 Yeah, but now the problem is, yeah, I mean, we have, like, it's also a problem, too, when you're paying, right, your taxes pay for healthcare.

00:16:43.000 Like, we have a strange system, you know?

00:16:45.000 So, and this is not a new thing.

00:16:46.000 Okay, you know, you'll hear women often say, like, oh, you don't have to deal with the unrealistic beauty standards. 1.00

00:16:52.000 You know, men, only women. 0.99

00:16:54.000 I go, hold on a second, name me one fat pride male model. 0.79

00:16:57.000 One.

00:16:58.000 Well, they go, they go, Oh, Chris Farley.

00:17:01.000 They go, I go, these were comedians.

00:17:03.000 They were hilarious.

00:17:04.000 They weren't considered sexy.

00:17:05.000 They had to be talented.

00:17:06.000 Like no one said, so I actually here in Dallas, when I was starting up, I opened up for Bruce Bruce.

00:17:12.000 You guys know him?

00:17:14.000 It was Bruce Bruce, black boy with two eyes and me. 1.00

00:17:18.000 I want to talk about eating shit on stage. 0.99

00:17:19.000 Nineteen-year-old white me opening up for black boy and Bruce Bruce. 0.99

00:17:24.000 But that guy was, I mean, that guy was huge.

00:17:26.000 And he would joke about it.

00:17:27.000 And it's like, no one's going to go up and make fun of him for being fat. 0.88

00:17:30.000 But he's also not saying, I'm a sex symbol.

00:17:32.000 Like, it's two different things.

00:17:34.000 That's the issue.

00:17:35.000 Exactly.

00:17:35.000 Bruce did say, I used to knock him down with that boy.

00:17:40.000 Granddaddy, can I have that?

00:17:41.000 Oh my God.

00:17:43.000 Dude, I used to piss myself laughing.

00:17:51.000 Yeah, it was an experience, man.

00:17:58.000 It was a trip.

00:17:59.000 It was back in MySpace.

00:18:01.000 I won a MySpace comedy contest, and the prize was to open for... That's how you got to open?

00:18:06.000 That one, yeah.

00:18:07.000 And they were like, you get to open for Bruce Bruce.

00:18:09.000 And I was like, oh.

00:18:10.000 And they were like, you have to pay for your plane ticket.

00:18:12.000 Absolutely.

00:18:13.000 Yeah, I saw it at the Improv, yeah.

00:18:14.000 I get paid to open up for somebody, but I wanted to because like a big audience at that time and

00:18:19.000 I didn't know he came out with like an entourage like it was a fighter you ever seen him live yeah

00:18:24.000 It asin yeah, yeah, so you know like he has like the lights And he comes out with like his whole crew and he walks out

00:18:30.000 slowly So I was like you know that's not something I was like hey

00:18:32.000 Bruce Bruce, and then he's nowhere and the music starts I'm like, hey, Bruce Bruce, ladies and gentlemen.

00:18:38.000 And then he comes out of the back room, and he just looks at me, and he starts walking up slowly, and I'm like, hey, keep it going, Bruce Bruce, Bruce Bruce.

00:18:45.000 And I was standing on stage, I had no idea he was gonna do it.

00:18:49.000 And boy, when he got to that stage, you could hear, like, it was like thunder.

00:18:52.000 People love that, man.

00:18:53.000 He's one of the few comedians I've seen.

00:18:55.000 He was funny from the very beginning, the whole entire time until he left.

00:19:01.000 He was funny the whole time.

00:19:03.000 A lot of times you'll get a lull in a scene, but he was funny the whole time.

00:19:08.000 Did you see him when he hosted Def Comedy Jam when they taped in New Orleans?

00:19:15.000 I may have seen that.

00:19:17.000 That wasn't Def Comedy Jam.

00:19:18.000 That was the one that was on BET.

00:19:20.000 Well, which one was that?

00:19:21.000 I went to the tapings too.

00:19:22.000 I went to the tapings too.

00:19:24.000 Yeah, I was in New Orleans in my comedy uniform.

00:19:27.000 Yeah, it was in New Orleans.

00:19:28.000 It was at the Orfield Theatre.

00:19:29.000 It was at the Orfield Theater.

00:19:31.000 And we was there the same time!

00:19:33.000 Yeah!

00:19:35.000 That was great.

00:19:38.000 Are we filming this?

00:19:40.000 on the road as much as I mean doing the show every day so it's kind of like it's

00:19:43.000 comedy but it's not stand-up comedy but yeah we film this do some of this every

00:19:47.000 day so I'm usually in the studio every day like you know doing stuff so it's

00:19:51.000 it's it's kind of like a middle ground between like a late-night show and I

00:19:54.000 guess sort of podcast it's a hybrid but then we do this stuff on location and

00:19:58.000 it's a mix where a big part of this honestly is you know I was I was in

00:20:01.000 also traditional media for a long time so like I'd be on Fox News and CNN and

00:20:05.000 all these different places and what you saw the change my mind thing it started

00:20:09.000 I pitched that to all the networks and they said no one's gonna want to sit and

00:20:12.000 watch just like two normal people talk for an hour and not be edited and I said

00:20:17.000 well we're sitting here talking and you guys give us four minutes

00:20:19.000 and you want us to hit talking points, like there's nothing productive.

00:20:23.000 I said, I think people will watch it.

00:20:24.000 And they said, absolutely not.

00:20:25.000 So I went and did it, and it worked.

00:20:27.000 Turns out people wanted to see real interactions.

00:20:29.000 And once you get out of the media bubble, you realize that most people share a lot more in common

00:20:34.000 than they have that's different.

00:20:36.000 And it's just, it's a house of cards.

00:20:39.000 And I think you had a good idea, because, you know, on the four minute segment,

00:20:45.000 you're hitting the surface with people.

00:20:47.000 Right.

00:20:47.000 You give somebody 11 minutes, 18 minutes, then you really start hearing how they feel and what they... Yeah.

00:20:55.000 That's what I got from you.

00:20:56.000 When you talk to those people...

00:21:00.000 I said, the lady Madison, she was, she stood out to me because I remember you telling her, look, we've been talking almost 30 minutes.

00:21:06.000 You could tell she was really speaking, because at first it was cool.

00:21:09.000 She was kind of surface level with it.

00:21:11.000 Yeah.

00:21:12.000 A lot of time y'all got going, she was like, well, look, I don't believe in it.

00:21:17.000 You could really get, you really get an opportunity to hear how people actually feel.

00:21:22.000 Yeah.

00:21:22.000 You know, people are going to give you their representative first.

00:21:24.000 Then you get to be committed.

00:21:26.000 Yeah.

00:21:28.000 The problem that you run into, if I'm remembering Madison as the right person, is culturally, like, white women, if they yell and they shout at you, they think they win. 1.00

00:21:37.000 Because a lot of dudes are like, okay, they get browbeaten, like, alright, I don't want to upset her, because they don't want to be accused of being sexist, or...

00:21:45.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:21:46.000 You know, as a black man, I totally understand. 0.97

00:21:48.000 The last thing you want to be in someone's truck is to be with a white woman. 1.00

00:21:51.000 Yeah, as a white guy, too.

00:21:56.000 So you definitely don't want to be on the wrong end of that. 1.00

00:22:00.000 Well, because it's like if you see a black woman yelling at a black man or even a white man, you're like, oh, he probably said some shit. 0.99

00:22:05.000 Like he probably did something. 1.00

00:22:05.000 But if it's a white woman, she's like screaming rape. 1.00

00:22:10.000 I mean that's the real problem too. 0.99

00:22:15.000 That's the nature of what we do.

00:22:17.000 We're conditioned to just react to stuff instantly.

00:22:21.000 A lot of that conditioning comes through.

00:22:27.000 The environments we were raised in, or, you know, stuff that we, you know, brought in as entertainment throughout our lives or whatever, or just, you know, like I said, just whatever factors that created the environment we were in growing up.

00:22:39.000 I know.

00:22:40.000 I know, and it's like, if you just say, let's say there's a mass shooting, or whatever it is, a tragedy, and if you just say, hey, hold on, let's just wait a minute for some information.

00:22:49.000 Right.

00:22:50.000 You don't care about the dead kids?

00:22:51.000 Like, no, no, I do, I'm just saying, when have we ever made good decisions without just Jumping to conclusions.

00:22:56.000 Like, just reacting immediately.

00:22:58.000 You never make good decisions that way, right?

00:23:00.000 But we're conditioned, like you're saying that way.

00:23:01.000 We're conditioned to just react.

00:23:02.000 Yeah.

00:23:03.000 You need a new click.

00:23:04.000 You need a new reel.

00:23:06.000 What part of Canada are you from?

00:23:08.000 So, I was raised in Montreal.

00:23:10.000 Have you spent any time in Canada?

00:23:12.000 Never been, man.

00:23:12.000 That's somewhere I like to visit.

00:23:13.000 I've never been to Canada.

00:23:14.000 Don't.

00:23:16.000 Don't. 1.00

00:23:17.000 It's a stupid place. 1.00

00:23:18.000 Man, I heard Toronto was nice. 1.00

00:23:20.000 Okay, have you guys seen our Prime Minister?

00:23:23.000 No, I don't even know who the Prime Minister of Canada is, man.

00:23:25.000 Have you guys, do you guys not know, like, he didn't just do blackface.

00:23:29.000 Have you seen this?

00:23:30.000 You said what?

00:23:31.000 The Prime Minister of Canada has not only done blackface, he's done it like 15 times. 0.99

00:23:36.000 Damn, really? 1.00

00:23:37.000 He don't give a damn. 1.00

00:23:38.000 No, I didn't. 0.96

00:23:39.000 No, no, he just like, it's just because he has the right of, like, he would go to sports games and paint his arms and legs black.

00:23:46.000 You went all the way in?

00:23:47.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:48.000 But now he says, like, oh, I support the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, two-spirited community.

00:23:54.000 He's just Mr. Progressive.

00:23:56.000 Everyone's like, oh, that's fine.

00:23:57.000 He did blackface, like, so many times. 0.99

00:24:00.000 Man, I didn't know that. 1.00

00:24:01.000 Oh, he's a piece of s***. 1.00

00:24:02.000 Oh, my gosh. 1.00

00:24:03.000 Justin Trudeau is the biggest piece of s*** in the... Canada has a lot of beauty, but, like... I've got to pay attention. 0.99

00:24:08.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:24:09.000 Okay, here we go.

00:24:10.000 Do we have it?

00:24:10.000 This is the Prime Minister.

00:24:11.000 This is the worst one.

00:24:12.000 Yeah, I'll show you.

00:24:14.000 Well, he's doing exactly what you think he's doing, but think he better not be doing.

00:24:20.000 Oh yeah, that's just one.

00:24:21.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:24:22.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:24:24.000 So, okay, here's a perfect example.

00:24:27.000 Like, context over content.

00:24:28.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:24:30.000 I think he's playing it like he's at a football game. 0.88

00:24:33.000 He's actually trying to imitate a black man.

00:24:36.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.67

00:24:38.000 So, okay, here's a perfect example.

00:24:39.000 Like, context over content.

00:24:41.000 We were doing a show live at U of M.

00:24:43.000 So it's a big theater, like 2,500 people.

00:24:45.000 And, you know, it's right on the border of Canada.

00:24:49.000 And so this guy's done blackface like 15 times, right?

00:24:52.000 But a lot of people don't know it.

00:24:54.000 So you need to raise awareness.

00:24:56.000 So what we did was we said, Hey, we have some guests here and we had celebrities.

00:24:58.000 We said, and we have the prime minister of Canada in the audience. 0.89

00:25:01.000 And it was just a dude in horrible blackface. 0.61

00:25:04.000 And people are like, what's that?

00:25:06.000 And then we show the clip.

00:25:07.000 So the joke is, not blackface, the joke is the Prime Minister is in blackface. 0.68

00:25:11.000 And that's the kind of thing where people could say, well, hold on a second, you're doing blackface.

00:25:15.000 No, no, we're mocking the guy who you just saw doing blackface.

00:25:17.000 Right. 1.00

00:25:18.000 Because people should know that shit. 1.00

00:25:20.000 Absolutely. 1.00

00:25:21.000 Yeah.

00:25:22.000 But sometimes the joke becomes more offensive than the fact.

00:25:25.000 That's what you have with Deschapelle.

00:25:27.000 Yeah, that guy, yeah, that wasn't cool at all.

00:25:31.000 No.

00:25:32.000 Like I said, when you said the blackface, I said, and then you said sporting events, I said, okay, well maybe he's out there like the football guy with the half blackface. 1.00

00:25:39.000 No, he's actually imitating the black dude, black dude, okay. 0.73

00:25:44.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.75

00:25:44.000 That ain't cool at all. 0.75

00:25:45.000 No, it's not.

00:25:46.000 Legs and everything.

00:25:47.000 Yeah, with the front wig on, yeah.

00:25:51.000 I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:25:52.000 He was doing too much.

00:25:53.000 He put a banana down his pants, too, for one of them.

00:25:57.000 And the Canadians elected this guy.

00:26:00.000 Well, here's the thing, right?

00:26:01.000 So I'm like, obviously, like more conservative leaning, but since he calls himself Mr. Progressive now,

00:26:06.000 they forgive him.

00:26:07.000 They go, oh, it's fine.

00:26:08.000 But like Megyn Kelly, we were just talking, Megyn Kelly, you know why she got fired from her job? 1.00

00:26:12.000 When they were talking about blackface, it was a conversation.

00:26:15.000 So you see that guy's the Prime Minister of Canada, and they say, oh, it's okay.

00:26:19.000 Megyn Kelly said, well, I think there's an important difference between, like, blackface or, like, when I was young, you know, Diana Ross was really popular.

00:26:25.000 So, like, my friend who was white dressed up like Diana Ross with the big wig for Halloween, like, that's not racist.

00:26:30.000 They fired her. 1.00

00:26:31.000 Oh, wow.

00:26:32.000 Like, I mean, you can disagree, but I agree with her that if a little girl loves Diana Ross, that's not racist.

00:26:39.000 She just loves Diana Ross. 0.85

00:26:41.000 Once you align yourself with the alphabet, Bob, you're going to those numbers.

00:26:46.000 That's wild.

00:26:47.000 Think about that.

00:26:48.000 Once you align yourself with the alphabet, Bob, you're going to those numbers.

00:26:55.000 And because they're not the ones being shown.

00:26:58.000 showing the shame, they're willing to overlook that aspect and be like, well, yeah, like

00:27:02.000 you said, that's cool.

00:27:06.000 Now had he made a transgender joke or he showed up as a transgender, then it would have been 1.00

00:27:11.000 a problem.

00:27:12.000 Right.

00:27:13.000 Well, it's just, I don't know, it just, doesn't it seem like sometimes they're just, they're

00:27:16.000 using these different groups?

00:27:18.000 Like, I will tell you this, like, a lot of politicians, I, I watch it and I go, they're using the trans, they're using the black community. 0.99

00:27:25.000 The black community, when it's convenient, they go, oh, you know, they go out, they say black lives matter, they do that, and then what do they do is they go back to redlining, or they don't do shit for the black community. 0.98

00:27:32.000 But they say the right words. 0.99

00:27:34.000 That's what all them cameras are.

00:27:36.000 Yeah.

00:27:36.000 Right.

00:27:36.000 Purposeful youth, you know, yeah your group is what I need at this moment

00:27:40.000 I can do and say something that'll garner your favor for that moment

00:27:45.000 Yeah, and then once I've gotten what I need now I go back to what I risen with this tending the do right go

00:27:51.000 back to the yeah, that's how black tend to get Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah 1.00

00:27:56.000 some Some.

00:27:59.000 And when I say blacks, I mean just as a whole.

00:28:01.000 I don't mean the individual.

00:28:03.000 No, of course not. 0.89

00:28:04.000 But you do have some, like in everything else, you do have some that are working towards the right stuff, but they just get overshadowed by some of the bullshit that you don't really get to hear about them. 0.99

00:28:15.000 Well, that's one thing that I definitely Like, as there are certain things that, first off, I think a lot of the idea that people think is white privilege is bullsh**. 0.98

00:28:22.000 If you want to ask me about it, I can tell you.

00:28:24.000 But there are certain things, like for example, young black boys.

00:28:28.000 I had a good friend who was black, and he loved metal.

00:28:32.000 So he was really into Slayer and Iron Maiden. 1.00

00:28:34.000 And I watched his black friends tell him, like, what the fuck are you doing? 1.00

00:28:37.000 You can't listen. 1.00

00:28:38.000 And they told him he needed to listen to hip hop. 1.00

00:28:40.000 And he just got shit on. 0.99

00:28:41.000 It's like, this kid just liked metal. 1.00

00:28:42.000 He was a comic book nerd.

00:28:44.000 That's one thing we don't really have as white.

00:28:45.000 Now, we don't have the community that black people have, that is like this, which is really productive. 1.00

00:28:50.000 But we also don't have those expectations like, hey, you're a black man. 0.92

00:28:55.000 You shouldn't be listening to Iron Maiden. 0.96

00:28:57.000 And that's gotta be tough.

00:28:59.000 That's gotta be tough to deal with.

00:29:00.000 Like, that's something that we don't have burdened on us as white people.

00:29:04.000 The expectation of what you are.

00:29:06.000 To be black. 0.96

00:29:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:29:08.000 Sometimes, like you're talking about, where they'll say, like you're saying, if someone's trying to do good work, sometimes they'll say, like, well, you're not really black. 0.71

00:29:14.000 You ain't black enough, right? 1.00

00:29:15.000 How many times do we hear that? 0.98

00:29:16.000 Exactly.

00:29:17.000 Well, who gets to say that?

00:29:18.000 Exactly.

00:29:19.000 That's the lesson.

00:29:21.000 I never thought about it from a white person's perspective, but that does come with being black.

00:29:26.000 Yeah, you know, out of instances and spaces, the expectation of how you are to conduct yourself

00:29:31.000 expectations of you are kind of laid out for you. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Where a lot of

00:29:39.000 times where you do choose to be free, you know, what you are, you're going to be ostracized in

00:29:45.000 a lot of places. Like, why are you doing that? Yeah, I don't really did it to him.

00:29:49.000 Money for a trap mail, right? Tell me if I'm wrong. Anytime you go somewhere, right,

00:29:58.000 and you're the minority, automatically you have to make yourself less threatening.

00:30:03.000 Oh, yes. Oh, yes.

00:30:05.000 It's innate.

00:30:06.000 You have to make yourself less threatened because people view you as threatened.

00:30:10.000 I think sometimes, yeah, I think sometimes that's true, for sure.

00:30:13.000 Brother, multiple countries, wherever I've been, it's that way.

00:30:21.000 You have to make yourself less threatened.

00:30:23.000 Well, I don't know if it's like that way in Uganda.

00:30:28.000 I mean, I think they've probably been more threatened for me.

00:30:29.000 But the countries that I've been to, you have to make yourself less threatened.

00:30:33.000 And then once you're accepted, like in Korea, you know, once you're accepted, then you're good.

00:30:41.000 You're good.

00:30:42.000 But you gotta be accepted.

00:30:44.000 I mean, think about it.

00:30:47.000 You brought up Ukraine, right?

00:30:49.000 Remember when the war first broke out in Ukraine?

00:30:52.000 When the Africans were trying to get on the train to escape, what was happening?

00:30:56.000 Well, they were pushed out.

00:30:58.000 They couldn't get on the train.

00:30:59.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:31:00.000 So, wherever we go, it is a work that we have to do to make ourselves accepted.

00:31:10.000 So, I mean, this is what I was talking with them back there.

00:31:13.000 So, if you have to, like in 2023, in America, Who do you think, like, do you think that people are in an even playing field and everyone has their own different struggles or hurdles to overcome?

00:31:25.000 Or do you think that... Playing field's different.

00:31:27.000 Playing field's not even.

00:31:28.000 So who do you think has the easiest?

00:31:30.000 Here's the difference, right?

00:31:31.000 I'll give you an example.

00:31:33.000 My daughter went to LSU.

00:31:35.000 Right?

00:31:36.000 And was doing well at LSU, but wasn't getting the support from the professors that she thought she needed.

00:31:43.000 So you know what she did?

00:31:45.000 She transferred from LSU, went right across town to an HBCU Southern University, and she feels like she at home.

00:31:52.000 Yeah.

00:31:52.000 Because she has school, and teachers, and people that look like her and care about her.

00:31:58.000 That's the way they make her feel there.

00:32:00.000 She didn't feel that way at LSU.

00:32:02.000 But does she know that they didn't treat her, they treat her that way because she was black?

00:32:06.000 It's just, it's just, it's just being, here's another example, right?

00:32:10.000 I went to the Bayou Classic this weekend.

00:32:12.000 I used to go to LSU games all the time, right?

00:32:14.000 Went to the Bayou, go to LSU games, great.

00:32:17.000 Great atmosphere, everything is good, great game, team, people, family.

00:32:22.000 Yeah.

00:32:23.000 But when you go to a Southern University HBCU game, it's totally different.

00:32:29.000 how you feel, how you act, what I'm up to, my people, you know, people that look like me.

00:32:37.000 I mean, I just had a... that was the best time I had was this body class

00:32:41.000 and a long time in the sport I'm in.

00:32:43.000 Well, there are plenty of people who look like you on the field.

00:32:45.000 I got that, but not in the same way.

00:32:47.000 At LSU game.

00:32:48.000 In the Southern game, everybody on the field, everybody in the stands, the media, everybody.

00:32:53.000 Everybody in the parking lot.

00:32:55.000 Everybody.

00:32:57.000 I will say, I was surprised to find, because I grew up with the misconception, growing up in back rooms with the divide between Southern and LSU.

00:33:06.000 I grew up with it.

00:33:06.000 What's up, Greg?

00:33:07.000 What's up, Greg?

00:33:08.000 I'll be with you in just a sec.

00:33:10.000 I grew up with the misconception that LSU, you know, when you go to LSU, it was always going to be racist because, you know, grew up with that misconception of bad rules.

00:33:18.000 Like you got that side of town, they don't fool with us.

00:33:20.000 It used to be like that.

00:33:23.000 It still is in certain parts.

00:33:24.000 Depends on where you go.

00:33:25.000 But that's another discussion.

00:33:27.000 Yeah.

00:33:29.000 But when I first went to an LSU football game as a kid and was working, working the parking lot, scared out of my mind because I'm like, Oh, yeah.

00:33:39.000 I don't know.

00:33:39.000 They're going, you know, somebody gonna do something to me.

00:33:41.000 And then, man, these people were just so nice, like, hey, come grab some, uh, we got some food over here.

00:33:47.000 It's just love.

00:33:48.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:33:49.000 But every environment ain't like that.

00:33:52.000 That's the right.

00:33:52.000 Every environment ain't like that.

00:33:53.000 That was just LSU.

00:33:55.000 That was just the LSU game.

00:33:56.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:33:57.000 Those same people, put them in a different environment, they treat you totally different.

00:34:01.000 And I've run across some of the same people, from them same games, in different environments, and it's like they flip the switch.

00:34:08.000 It's like, look, get away from me, Darkie. 1.00

00:34:10.000 Like Dave Chappelle said.

00:34:13.000 Let me pose a thought real quick.

00:34:14.000 So the headline is, we as black people are over-expanding.

00:34:18.000 Now, let me follow up with that by saying, I'm from New York regionally, and I travel the world, you know, and live in many places in this country.

00:34:25.000 So everywhere you go, there's a Jewish community.

00:34:28.000 Robust.

00:34:29.000 Yeah.

00:34:29.000 There's a Mexican community, Bobas, meaning they all stick together, but when you go to our community, what do you see?

00:34:33.000 You know, everywhere I went with his head okay, it's tarnished because of the crime, like us

00:34:39.000 not allowing the crabs in a barrel thing, us not allowing each other to succeed. Why is that from your perspective?

00:34:46.000 Or everybody's in your perspective?

00:34:48.000 Well, I guess the question, yeah, the...

00:34:51.000 Why?

00:34:52.000 Right?

00:34:52.000 And the problem is, and I appreciate that you're able to ask it, because guess what?

00:34:56.000 If I ever answer that, even as far as an opinion, where I say, this is what I think, it's racist.

00:35:02.000 Right?

00:35:02.000 So white people don't want to answer that question because they don't want to be accused of being racist.

00:35:06.000 Well, what do you do when so many of your representatives are white people? 0.72

00:35:08.000 Right?

00:35:08.000 Where they go, no, no, I need to check my privilege and not answer.

00:35:11.000 I can tell you, for example, where I'm from in Detroit, I can tell you why that's the case in Detroit.

00:35:15.000 It's not the same in every city, but if you go back to Lyndon Johnson and the model cities, Uh, program.

00:35:20.000 You know, he said, I'll have those N-words voting Democrat for the next 60 years. 0.99

00:35:25.000 Detroit, people don't know this, because my dad grew up in Detroit.

00:35:28.000 His home, that he grew up as a child, just sold for $8,000.

00:35:31.000 Like a 22 square foot home for $8,000, right?

00:35:34.000 He lived in downtown Detroit.

00:35:36.000 He watched tanks go down his road for the Detroit riots.

00:35:41.000 And what happened?

00:35:42.000 It was the wealthiest city in the country in the 1950s.

00:35:44.000 For all people.

00:35:45.000 White, black. 1.00

00:35:46.000 It was the Paris of the Midwest.

00:35:48.000 And they said, you know what?

00:35:49.000 We're going to come in.

00:35:50.000 We're going to centrally urban plan this city.

00:35:51.000 It was the model cities program, right, where they put a bunch of money into it because they wanted to take credit for a successful city.

00:35:57.000 That came with modern sort of welfare systems, benefits, but it also came with strings attached.

00:36:01.000 What happened?

00:36:02.000 Detroit went from the wealthiest city in the country to an absolute war zone.

00:36:06.000 The government came in, engineered it, and screwed that whole place up.

00:36:10.000 So typically speaking, my answer is whether you're white, whether you're black, whether you're Latino, whether you're LGBT, like, when the government says, hey, we're gonna fix this, it usually makes it worse. 0.62

00:36:20.000 That's a big problem.

00:36:21.000 And it does go back to Lyndon Johnson and the idea of... And they said they were gonna buy black votes.

00:36:26.000 That was a big part of it.

00:36:27.000 Oh yeah.

00:36:27.000 Oh yeah, I hear that all the time.

00:36:29.000 Yeah.

00:36:30.000 Which, I mean, I think now we're separated where people are able to have different opinions and it's pretty good, but let me ask you this, because you said you think, okay, so the playing field is not even.

00:36:36.000 And I think that that's true in some ways, certainly, like, culturally.

00:36:40.000 I don't know that I believe in, like, systemic racism in the government.

00:36:43.000 That's just...

00:36:44.000 But why do you think, this is something that always, it's just a curious question to me, why do you think suicide in this country is exclusively a white male problem?

00:36:54.000 70% of suicides in the United States are white men.

00:36:57.000 White men are twice as likely as black men to kill themselves. 0.96

00:37:03.000 I can tell you a little bit from personal experience, but a lot from just... Black people, we consider, just in general, taking yourself out is a non-negotiable. 0.99

00:37:16.000 Right.

00:37:16.000 Like, you was just brought up.

00:37:18.000 Like, you ain't gonna take yourself out.

00:37:20.000 First of all, God ain't gonna forgive you for that.

00:37:22.000 Faith, I think it's big faith.

00:37:24.000 It's a huge thing.

00:37:25.000 It's a huge thing.

00:37:26.000 God ain't gonna forgive you for that.

00:37:28.000 And then, secondly, it's just, you know, it's been taught as a cowardly way out.

00:37:33.000 Yeah.

00:37:33.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:37:34.000 In a lot of circumstances.

00:37:35.000 So it's like, but, you know, some people, like, there's always outliers.

00:37:42.000 Yeah.

00:37:42.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:37:43.000 But that wouldn't account for two times the rate.

00:37:46.000 And I think, I think one thing that definitely that I've, we were talking about this, like this is why we, we do this and talk like in groups and places like this.

00:37:53.000 The one thing that white men, a lot of white men lack in 2023 is community.

00:37:58.000 Is what? 0.97

00:37:58.000 Community. 0.97

00:37:59.000 Community.

00:38:00.000 So like, this is, for example, like I was just talking with, um, with Maya and Jasmine about this, where she was talking about single parent households.

00:38:06.000 And she said, you know, and sometimes it's a deadbeat, you know, dad who doesn't want to be around.

00:38:10.000 And she said, but sometimes it's true. 0.74

00:38:11.000 You have a mom who doesn't want him around, you know, and he wants to support his kids, but she wants to take the money for herself.

00:38:15.000 So she was very balanced.

00:38:17.000 In the white community, if your marriage fails, or, you know, you get fired, you don't have camaraderie.

00:38:25.000 People are like, hey man, you know, you'll get the next one, or hey, I'm here for it.

00:38:28.000 You're shamed right away.

00:38:30.000 And so, white men, typically, they just isolate themselves, and that's the biggest contributing factor to suicide, is you have a good social support network.

00:38:38.000 And that's, that was the thing is, The experience of historically being black in this country, you've had to recognize strength in your people.

00:38:50.000 Right.

00:38:50.000 Right?

00:38:51.000 So that amount of strength is not going to allow you to get to the point where you say, I'm just going to take myself out of here.

00:38:57.000 In general.

00:38:57.000 Right.

00:38:58.000 And so that will make up for that two times the rate and with the faith thing added into it.

00:39:02.000 Oh yeah.

00:39:02.000 Faith is a huge thing.

00:39:03.000 That's a big reason, obviously in the black community.

00:39:05.000 It's still like, it's not offensive to instill faith in your kids.

00:39:08.000 Yeah.

00:39:09.000 Where?

00:39:10.000 Yeah, right now in the white... But still, you have to think about, like, the isolation.

00:39:13.000 That's... I know that, you know, especially if you're telling, like, if you're telling a white man... And I say this because this is taught in universities.

00:39:20.000 Check your privilege.

00:39:21.000 You don't know struggle.

00:39:23.000 And then your marriage fails.

00:39:25.000 You lose your job.

00:39:26.000 You're like, well, I just must be a screw-up because I have every advantage, right?

00:39:30.000 We don't have anything tough going on for us.

00:39:32.000 And if you tune into the media, and it says, like, yeah, what are you bitching about?

00:39:36.000 You literally have people, right, saying, like, white tears, which, I'm not saying everyone, but I'm saying I know from experience, having had suicide, especially coming from, you know, military family and friends, where a lot of them take themselves out because they feel lonely.

00:39:50.000 You don't have this, typically, where, like, white men go, and they're comfortable just being themselves.

00:39:56.000 around people there's no community and so they take themselves out and it's a it's a real problem especially since covid suicides numbers are different like there's a more white mouse than our black mouse too so right no i mean even its percentage yeah it's crazy high i mean it's like you're twice as likely just to take your own life and uh yeah I think a lot of that has to come with distance traveled as well.

00:40:19.000 Most black people, and I'm not saying all because there's always levels to it, but most black people, we face struggle throughout our lives.

00:40:28.000 So when struggle and hard times hit, the adversity doesn't affect in the same manner as somebody that's had much less adversity. 0.98

00:40:40.000 You know, if you grow up poor, inner city, less than, you lose a job, shit, that's just another time.

00:40:49.000 But if your life has been somewhat privileged, maybe not top of the line, but middle class or whatever, and you hit those hard times, where have you been trained to deal with that adversity? 0.93

00:41:00.000 So when adversity hitting you at 27, 28 years old and you've never had adversity, it's going to hit a whole lot harder than somebody that grew up struggling.

00:41:11.000 They're not going to panic. 0.95

00:41:13.000 They're not going to look for the end game or the end way out because they're going to look at it like, Well shit, it's just another time I got to get back up and dust myself off. 0.94

00:41:22.000 Whereas, if I've been bred to be a success, and I've been taught that success is all I'm about, when I do fail, I'm going to take it a lot harder. 0.99

00:41:31.000 Because now, Talked about the expectations of the black person. 0.99

00:41:35.000 Now, what you sound like you're saying is, the white man has expectations.

00:41:38.000 You're supposed to be successful.

00:41:40.000 You're supposed to do this.

00:41:41.000 You're supposed to do that. 0.86

00:41:42.000 And when you don't do those things, now, you in your mind, you're taking it as, I'm a total and complete f*** up, so, why do I need to stay here? 0.99

00:41:51.000 Whereas a black dude gonna look at it, it's just Wednesday s***. 1.00

00:41:55.000 Yeah, I think you're right. 0.99

00:41:57.000 I think there's some... I mean, it wouldn't account for, like you were saying, because there are more white people, but as a percentage.

00:42:02.000 In other words, there are more poor white people, too. 0.51

00:42:04.000 So the percentage still, they're still in any social class. 0.92

00:42:07.000 So even, in other words, a poor white person or a rich white person is still twice as likely, generally, to commit suicide as a poor or rich black person. 0.59

00:42:15.000 A lot of white people have adversity, just like there are black people. 0.93

00:42:18.000 But they're still more likely to kill themselves, no matter what. 0.97

00:42:20.000 White people don't highlight poor white people. 0.98

00:42:25.000 White people highlight white people that are doing well.

00:42:28.000 The outliers, the trailer park white people, the people that are on the welfare, white people never highlight those people. 0.63

00:42:35.000 They don't get put on magazines.

00:42:36.000 They don't get put into the ads.

00:42:38.000 They just brush to the side with the rest of the common people. 0.59

00:42:41.000 So white people that are less than, They're left to kind of fend for themselves, so I believe they face adversity like we do.

00:42:49.000 But you know what? 0.97

00:42:50.000 White people probably figure that, once again, it's a Wednesday for them! 0.99

00:42:54.000 We ain't had s*** already! 1.00

00:42:56.000 Now they still may kill themselves, because black people do kill themselves, just at a different rate. 1.00

00:43:01.000 Yeah, at a much lower rate. 0.99

00:43:03.000 But the poor white boy don't feel the same way as the white boy that went to St.

00:43:06.000 Mark's or the Green Hills.

00:43:08.000 His life hasn't been the same, so if his lights go off, he just gonna find him a candle and open the window. 0.54

00:43:15.000 The rich white guy, his lights go off, he's thinking, damn, how did I wind up at this point where I'm standing like this?

00:43:23.000 I mean, economics and your social upbringing, I think, has a lot to do with it. 0.98

00:43:29.000 I can only speak for the black people.

00:43:31.000 The faith part does play a big part.

00:43:33.000 Oh, that's a huge part.

00:43:33.000 Well, that plays a huge part with the black people.

00:43:35.000 Because my grandfather was a Baptist minister. 0.88

00:43:38.000 So, suicide is one of those things that you just don't even contemplate.

00:43:42.000 Right.

00:43:42.000 Yeah, because once again, like they said, God's not going to forgive you for that.

00:43:46.000 And if black people, if we haven't had anything, we've had a heavy dose of God.

00:43:51.000 So we understand, well, I can't do that because I'm not going to get into heaven.

00:43:56.000 So, you know, that's usually, that's going to be one of your last, last options.

00:44:01.000 But I guess, in other words, if you could, you know, there's the old story or the allegory of, you know, everyone wrote their problem down on a piece of paper they put into a hat and they could pick any problem that they want out of the hat, right?

00:44:13.000 And invariably they picked out their own problem.

00:44:15.000 Yeah!

00:44:16.000 Because then you know how to deal with it.

00:44:17.000 So, I guess the question would be, if we all, I think what we're agreeing on is like, God, faith is way stronger in the black community, and community in general, right?

00:44:24.000 There's a stronger sense of community, black community.

00:44:27.000 Would you rather, if we accept the premise, right, just assuming here, that, okay, there's this white privilege as far as, let's say, wealth or a starting point.

00:44:36.000 Would you take that over having the faith and the strength of community that you have?

00:44:41.000 Would you take that as a greater, would you take what white people have as a leg up as a greater privilege or the

00:44:47.000 values of family and God and dignity?

00:44:48.000 What's, what's worse more?

00:44:50.000 I'd take the family and God.

00:44:52.000 And because that's how I was raised, so that's, that's what I'm gonna stick with.

00:44:57.000 But I'm not gonna lie, I peek at that other side, don't be like, well s**t, if you mean to tell me I'm gonna get pushed to the head of the line in a lot of instances, start from a farther up place, that is appealing to you.

00:45:11.000 But because I've been so deeply entrenched in what I came from, that's all I know, I'm gonna go with the familiar.

00:45:17.000 Like you said, I'm gonna pick my own problem.

00:45:19.000 Well, I'm saying at this point, pick your own blessing, right?

00:45:21.000 Pick your own blessing, like raising a wealthy family or raising a family that values God and community.

00:45:26.000 If that wealthy family not gonna be filled with love and faith, I don't want that.

00:45:30.000 I'd rather come from where I came from.

00:45:31.000 Ugly things happen in pretty houses, man.

00:45:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:45:35.000 If I couldn't get the good family with your bread, I'd rather just go fight for my own survival and make my own fortune.

00:45:43.000 Yeah.

00:45:44.000 Yeah, because that's not the big differentiating factor.

00:45:53.000 When you look at it, you see people who are miserable, who have money, who kill themselves who have money.

00:45:57.000 You see both black and white.

00:45:59.000 The most important thing you see invariably is like relationships that matter?

00:46:02.000 Absolutely!

00:46:03.000 Money is nothing but more than the two months.

00:46:05.000 All money does is means you don't have money problems.

00:46:08.000 That don't mean you don't have problems.

00:46:10.000 So a poor guy and a rich guy both gonna have problems.

00:46:13.000 The rich guy just not gonna be worried about where he gonna get the $200 from.

00:46:17.000 Poor guy is gonna have that.

00:46:17.000 Right.

00:46:18.000 But the problem, you gonna have problems with God.

00:46:22.000 I would rather have an attachment to a community and a family with a faith and an opportunity to give me some money to have bread and then kind of be somewhat detached.

00:46:33.000 I wouldn't want that.

00:46:35.000 I'm concerned though too because now you see it like this will hit all communities.

00:46:39.000 People are more disconnected than ever with social media.

00:46:43.000 You'll even see with black or white younger generations, they don't interact with people as much.

00:46:43.000 Oh, man.

00:46:46.000 They don't have relationships.

00:46:48.000 So if you think of what we see with where suicide is highest, and it's in people who are isolated, every one of all racial groups, they're all isolating themselves now, looking at a screen.

00:46:58.000 I don't know when the stats come in, but I don't think it goes well.

00:47:01.000 In 20 years, man, what the world will be, I haven't the slightest idea, because like what you said is, people, it's too easy for a person to isolate themselves.

00:47:09.000 Yeah.

00:47:10.000 It's much, much easier for you to.

00:47:13.000 Stand outside and just watch your phone then truly interact you know we because we work in a barbershop This is not forced interaction, but this is, uh... Abnormal.

00:47:25.000 Yeah, this is an outlier.

00:47:27.000 Yeah, people come in here looking for the interaction.

00:47:29.000 Right.

00:47:30.000 But this isn't the norm.

00:47:31.000 No, you have a generation where most of them don't go to church.

00:47:34.000 Fewer of them than ever are playing sports.

00:47:36.000 Man.

00:47:36.000 You know what I mean?

00:47:37.000 So you think about that.

00:47:37.000 I mean, it's like 40%, depending on the stat you use, of young men who aren't interested in even dating women, because they're afraid of being falsely accused, or now they have porn on the internet, so they don't even care anymore.

00:47:48.000 Where are you going to get that interaction?

00:47:50.000 Because that's pivotal as human beings.

00:47:52.000 And we see it all the time because the younger generations as they grow up now, their interaction skills are very poor.

00:48:01.000 They don't really know how to hold a conversation with someone, you know, male to male, male to female, female to female a lot of times.

00:48:09.000 They don't know how because it's much easier for them to express themselves Digitally than it is for me to actually sit out and engage.

00:48:18.000 We see them in here.

00:48:19.000 They'll be sitting chairs apart and they'll text back and forth rather than just have a communication.

00:48:25.000 I know.

00:48:26.000 They'll text back and forth and that's not gonna be good for you. 0.99

00:48:30.000 So here's a picture of my tits. 1.00

00:48:31.000 Look at her tits. 1.00

00:48:32.000 Right. 0.99

00:48:33.000 They're right there.

00:48:34.000 Exactly.

00:48:35.000 Exactly.

00:48:35.000 It's just this is where society is pushing us and if you don't force and make your children A part of a community.

00:48:44.000 They'll grow that way.

00:48:45.000 Yeah.

00:48:46.000 Well, that's why you were talking about to bring it back to like the LGBTQA AIP plus.

00:48:50.000 That's the actual acronym they use now.

00:48:53.000 Yeah.

00:48:53.000 Yes.

00:48:54.000 Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer.

00:48:56.000 I mean, they hijack the whole alphabet.

00:48:59.000 Yeah.

00:49:03.000 Yeah.

00:49:05.000 But now you have over 20% of young people identify as part of that.

00:49:10.000 Well, why do you think?

00:49:11.000 Because they're getting this stuff.

00:49:12.000 It's flooding them on social media.

00:49:13.000 They're inundating them with it.

00:49:14.000 They're inundating them with it, man.

00:49:15.000 I'm sorry, you know.

00:49:17.000 I'm an older, you know, I'm an older person.

00:49:19.000 I'm, you know, in my 50s now.

00:49:21.000 And I can go back to when, you know... Do all black guys in your 50s look younger than me?

00:49:25.000 Jesus.

00:49:26.000 You guys are from Louisiana, man.

00:49:28.000 You didn't.

00:49:29.000 You didn't.

00:49:30.000 You know, if a person was... If you were gay... 0.98

00:49:34.000 You definitely wasn't gay at 10 and 11 years old, right? 0.97

00:49:39.000 You know, if you wind up being an adult that was gay, or either you hid it extremely well, or like you said, if you're going to inundate kids with that message, and not only the message, but let them know that it's okay, don't let anybody tell you you can't be this or you get to choose to be these things, you're giving them options.

00:49:59.000 Oh yeah.

00:50:00.000 I grew up with boys and girls, that's it.

00:50:03.000 Yeah.

00:50:04.000 It's boys and it's girls, but as we've progressed in time and society says, you can't tell your kids that they have to identify as that.

00:50:12.000 But I told my kids that they had to identify as that.

00:50:15.000 That's just how that's going to roll.

00:50:20.000 But when you open up and give children options, you're doing way more than what they need to be allowed to do, because a child's mind is there to be shaped and molded, and it's going to be shaped and molded by what you give them the opportunity to.

00:50:33.000 We grew up in a time where, you know, you couldn't watch that movie.

00:50:36.000 You ain't old enough to watch that.

00:50:38.000 You can't listen to that music.

00:50:39.000 You don't need to be hearing that.

00:50:41.000 If you just let them have everything, and you give them the option to be whatever they want, Well, you taking your chances on the wrong thing, Sticky.

00:50:48.000 No, you're absolutely right.

00:50:49.000 Yes.

00:50:50.000 Only thing with me, Mike, with that is, is I got a ton of freezes.

00:50:57.000 That's right.

00:50:57.000 I got so many.

00:50:58.000 I don't have no problems.

00:51:01.000 You know, but what gets me is this.

00:51:03.000 When somebody comes and tells me that God made him a stuntman, that gets me right there.

00:51:10.000 Because then I set them down, right?

00:51:11.000 I say, let me ask you this question.

00:51:14.000 Say, hello?

00:51:15.000 God's perfect, right?

00:51:16.000 They say, yeah.

00:51:17.000 I say, God don't make no mistakes, right?

00:51:19.000 Right.

00:51:20.000 Right?

00:51:20.000 They say, yes.

00:51:21.000 I'm saying, he is flawless.

00:51:23.000 All right, now, come on.

00:51:24.000 Right?

00:51:24.000 I say, yeah.

00:51:25.000 So tell me how he make no mistakes.

00:51:26.000 You mean that they're gay?

00:51:28.000 Yeah. 0.89

00:51:29.000 Tell me how many.

00:51:30.000 You don't know.

00:51:31.000 It's a choice.

00:51:32.000 So, I'm going to play it.

00:51:39.000 I've read that, yeah.

00:51:39.000 I don't know that's been confirmed.

00:51:41.000 for Kim Daniels, American King Daniels, first name of Bobby, you know, King Daniels.

00:51:45.000 I've read that, yeah.

00:51:49.000 I don't know that's been confirmed.

00:51:51.000 Google it, I'm gonna leave on that.

00:51:53.000 Google it, Google it on Bobby.

00:51:54.000 King James is a hoe. 1.00

00:51:56.000 Google it on King James.

00:51:57.000 Thanks, man.

00:51:58.000 Thanks, man.

00:51:59.000 I said you talking about LeBron.

00:52:01.000 Huh?

00:52:01.000 You say, you said you talking about LeBron?

00:52:04.000 No, no, no.

00:52:05.000 King James.

00:52:06.000 King James.

00:52:06.000 Not LeBron.

00:52:07.000 You talking about the first name of Bobby.

00:52:09.000 Yeah, it is.

00:52:12.000 But that's the real thing.

00:52:13.000 Like, you can have these conversations here.

00:52:14.000 I'll tell you, like, in the white community, you just... Like, Dave Chappelle experienced what white men have been experiencing for a very long time, where it's like you are not allowed to have an opinion. 1.00

00:52:25.000 White women go apeshit. 1.00

00:52:26.000 If they're liberal and they're like, I can't, you're homophobic, you're transphobic, so most guys, they just don't say anything. 1.00

00:52:32.000 That's a rough way to exist, too, man, you know.

00:52:36.000 I mean, I've always worked in a black barbershop, so I really don't have a level of perspective.

00:52:43.000 I'd like to know what a white barbershop is, what the conversations are like on a day-to-day basis.

00:52:48.000 Because realistically, the talk we have in here, this might just be a random Tuesday

00:52:54.000 if the right topic comes up.

00:52:56.000 We'll just come across this and everybody will chime in.

00:53:00.000 But I would hate to be in a group or category of people where there's no, like you said, the sense of community. 0.75

00:53:11.000 The barbershop, this is the last place a black man can be all the way black. 1.00

00:53:15.000 You can come here and be all the way black. 1.00

00:53:17.000 On a lot of jobs you don't get to express yourself. 0.98

00:53:20.000 You have to contain that blackness. 1.00

00:53:21.000 You have to put your corporate self out front.

00:53:25.000 Yeah.

00:53:26.000 But here, you can come here, you can tell all the lies you want, you can be the person you want to be,

00:53:31.000 you can come and tell your, and bury your truth.

00:53:33.000 This is that last place that we have for that.

00:53:36.000 And I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to not have that.

00:53:39.000 It's the last bastion of American freedom.

00:53:39.000 Yeah.

00:53:41.000 That's, that's, yeah, yeah, you know. 0.97

00:53:43.000 I've been getting my, I've been getting my hair cut my whole damn life.

00:53:45.000 I've never had this.

00:53:47.000 It's not the same thing.

00:53:47.000 Totally.

00:53:48.000 See, I've never, I've always assumed that, you know, when the white guys go into barbershops, I've always assumed that it's like the Mafia movies.

00:53:55.000 When you see them in there, again, they are good.

00:53:57.000 They in there talking with the hot cow.

00:53:59.000 Well, yeah, they're like guineas from New York.

00:54:01.000 Yeah, see, that's how I've always envisioned.

00:54:03.000 That's what must be what the white barbershop is like. 0.95

00:54:05.000 You know, but like you said, because they're a subsection.

00:54:08.000 Yeah.

00:54:08.000 of white America.

00:54:10.000 And they might have that, that the general populace may not actually get to occupy.

00:54:15.000 Yeah, that one I think is healthy.

00:54:17.000 I mean, imagine just kind of, if you do this, let's say, how often does a customer come in here,

00:54:21.000 on average? Once every...

00:54:23.000 You're going to get a weekly, bi-weekly, monthly.

00:54:26.000 That's generally, that's the general rule.

00:54:28.000 Okay.

00:54:29.000 Most people probably come in like every two weeks, maybe?

00:54:30.000 Every two weeks is probably more consistent.

00:54:32.000 Think of how valuable it is, like, a reset.

00:54:34.000 You know what I mean?

00:54:35.000 You're having a bad week, you're having a bad two weeks, you come in, you see familiar faces, you can talk.

00:54:39.000 Imagine you're going ten, twenty years, and you never have that.

00:54:43.000 That's what we're seeing in this country. 0.91

00:54:45.000 Yeah, that would suck. 0.98

00:54:46.000 Hell yeah, it's terrible. 0.99

00:54:47.000 That would suck. 0.92

00:54:48.000 Because these guys, each and every one of us carry our own experiences and our own opinions.

00:54:54.000 And sometimes it's just good to hear a different opinion on what's something you're dealing with or something you want to know about.

00:55:02.000 Yes.

00:55:03.000 This guy over here, he might be well-versed in something that I'm having a question or issue with, and he able to really just drop some game on, and I really don't even know him.

00:55:12.000 But he can just say that, and he can be comfortable, and he feels comfortable enough in here to express himself.

00:55:12.000 Yeah.

00:55:18.000 The conversation we're having about the alphabet mafia, you can't have this conversation everywhere without fear of retribution.

00:55:25.000 And you see it, you know that because you're experimenting with it by talking to people.

00:55:31.000 People get turned sideways if they feel offended.

00:55:34.000 But this is one place, you're going to have to check your feelings at the door when you come in here.

00:55:38.000 Because you're going to get a lot of real.

00:55:42.000 I don't want to say insensitive, but nobody's going to be, uh, we're not here to badger you or to disrespect you, but you're going to get a dose and a level of truth from this place that you're not going to get in a whole lot of places.

00:55:56.000 And we pride ourselves on it.

00:55:58.000 That's what our motto is.

00:55:59.000 Nobody makes it.

00:56:00.000 We don't let nobody make it.

00:56:02.000 But I appreciate the fact that you had the wherewithal to want to come and get this perspective.

00:56:19.000 Oh yeah.

00:56:19.000 We do this all... What happened would be, you'd have so many... Like if we discussed affirmative action, for example, like on campus.

00:56:25.000 I think we did at SMU. 0.83

00:56:26.000 You'd have a bunch of screaming white people telling you about the black community. 0.97

00:56:31.000 And I would go, but none of you are in the black community. 0.97

00:56:34.000 So we just, I just started saying like, let me just go to the black community. 1.00

00:56:36.000 And they'd be like, no, that's bullshit. 0.99

00:56:37.000 We don't, they don't speak for us. 0.99

00:56:39.000 They would say, we don't agree with that opinion at all.

00:56:42.000 That's the problem most people have.

00:56:44.000 They're not willing to see it from the other side.

00:56:47.000 You know, just like you said, you open my eyes on a lot of white perspective just in the time you've been in here. 0.86

00:56:51.000 The white male thing, you know, I've never been one, so it's a lot I don't understand.

00:56:56.000 Because the lack of community, I never thought about that.

00:57:01.000 I never thought that a white guy could go most of his life and not have a clique or a spot where he can come and really truly just let his hair down and be vulnerable, because that's what most people don't recognize. 0.98

00:57:12.000 So you can come in here and tell, you know, come in here and tell your boss, man, I lost my job today, man, damn, I don't know what I'm going to do. 0.97

00:57:20.000 Right. 0.97

00:57:20.000 And without fear of being judged in that aspect. 0.97

00:57:24.000 Yeah.

00:57:24.000 I didn't know that a white guy might not really have that place he could go express that.

00:57:31.000 I didn't understand.

00:57:32.000 I didn't know it.

00:57:33.000 You'll get it like, you know, military and that's why you see, you know, you see black, white, like if you're in the military you're all in it together.

00:57:38.000 Or you'll see it like in certain sports.

00:57:41.000 So like, you know, coming from like a grappling background.

00:57:44.000 If I go into a new city, it's like okay I can go to a grappling school and we're gonna have something in common.

00:57:51.000 Right.

00:57:51.000 It's not a race thing, it's just we all share this in common, the hard training, getting your joints blown out and all that stuff, you know, because you're wrestling dudes.

00:57:58.000 Like, wrestling teams, I'm sure it's the same with football or, I mean, in Canada, hockey, it's like, these guys just, they bleed for each other.

00:58:06.000 But as far as just day-to-day, like, once you're out of college, once you're, okay, you don't have sports anymore, you don't have a school to go to anymore.

00:58:12.000 Yeah, where do I find that commonality?

00:58:13.000 A lot of people just, they drop off that community aspect.

00:58:15.000 If they're not doing church, like you were saying, faith, if you don't have church, what is it?

00:58:19.000 It's nothing.

00:58:20.000 Yeah, standing on an island by yourself trying to navigate.

00:58:23.000 Yeah.

00:58:24.000 That's, that's something I think, you know, beyond the, whether black, white, like just we need to get back to communities, strong communities of people who care about each other, man.

00:58:31.000 Absolutely.

00:58:32.000 All right.

00:58:33.000 I'll get going anyways.

00:58:34.000 Yeah. 0.87

00:58:34.000 You guys talking about you have this, the only place to be truly black. 0.87

00:58:36.000 And then I looked in the mirror.

00:58:37.000 I'm like, Oh my gosh, I'm the whitest human being on earth.

00:58:40.000 You probably thought I was a narc.

00:58:42.000 No, I think, I think he got to be.

00:58:44.000 Oh yeah.

00:58:44.000 Well, that guy's not white.

00:58:45.000 He's transparent.

00:58:47.000 He would make Larry Bird look at him and be like, dude, can you black it up a little bit?

00:58:51.000 Alright, thanks.

00:58:53.000 Thanks, man.

00:58:54.000 What's your name, man?

00:58:54.000 I'm Big Mike, man.

00:58:55.000 Big Mike.

00:58:56.000 Is everyone big here?

00:58:57.000 Big Phil, Big Mike?

00:58:58.000 What's your name, man?

00:58:58.000 Andrew.

00:58:59.000 Andrew?

00:58:59.000 Nice to meet you.

00:59:00.000 Hey.

00:59:00.000 Doug.

00:59:01.000 Doug?

00:59:01.000 Thanks, Doug.

00:59:02.000 Oh, D-O-E. 1.00

00:59:02.000 Oh, Don. 1.00

00:59:03.000 Don! 0.94

00:59:03.000 I thought you said Doug. 0.94

00:59:05.000 Alright, Don.

00:59:05.000 D-O-N.

00:59:06.000 Hey, Don.

00:59:06.000 There you go.

00:59:07.000 Like the Don.

00:59:08.000 Who is it, man?

00:59:08.000 Sorry.

00:59:08.000 Travis.

00:59:09.000 Travis?

00:59:09.000 Nice to meet you, man.

00:59:10.000 I appreciate it.

00:59:10.000 What's your name?

00:59:12.000 Whitest guy on earth.

00:59:13.000 Grant.

00:59:14.000 Grant.

00:59:14.000 Sorry, I'm giving you a tough time.

00:59:15.000 Sounds nice to have on you.

00:59:17.000 Remember, none of this is possible without you.

00:59:23.000 Join the fight and sign up for Mug Club today at louderwithcrowder.com slash Mug Club for $89 annually.

Louder with Crowder - December 13, 2023

So, I Went to a Black Barbershop... | Black & White On The Gray Issues

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