In this episode of Change My Mind Live, the guys discuss why socialism is evil, and why you shouldn't be offended by it. They also talk about a recent incident involving an off-duty cop and a yorkie.
00:01:38.000Well, we couldn't because your campus officers actually wouldn't show up.
00:01:43.000So, hold on a second. There's one who did show up today.
00:01:46.000There's one who showed up. Let's give it up for Officer Stillerson.
00:01:49.000Yeah! One who showed up, and there are some private security details out here who are off-duty officers, and just so you know, the same lieutenant who told them that no one would show up because there was no credible threat told these off-duty officers, you can't carry on campus.
00:02:04.000Well, he called someone above the lieutenant's head, and he said, what's he doing?
00:02:08.000You carry, and I quote, you carry your f***ing gun!
00:02:11.000Yeah! And a lot of them are amongst you who you do not know.
00:02:19.000So thank you so much. So there was a mix-up.
00:02:21.000Obviously, we couldn't get out here and do the show that we wanted to do.
00:02:23.000It was going to be kick-ass. We wanted to do this whole, like, SMU. But instead, we loaded all of our misfits into a bus and shipped them across country against their will.
00:02:35.000We said, we can't do the big comedy show.
00:02:37.000We'll come back and do it. But we can do one hell of a change my mind because all we need is a table, some coffee, and some good conversation.
00:03:21.000We actually have the ability to see any leftist organization in the country and how many people show up.
00:03:26.000And just so you know, every time there's an Antifa protest, unless they're stabbing Ben Shapiro with an axe pick...
00:03:32.000Every time there's an Antifa protest or Occupy and they post something, we can actually tell you that on average about 8% of people who claim they'll be attending, attend.
00:03:40.000Whereas here, this is the last minute, there was a cancellation, we said, hey guys, we're gonna be in the quad, and I think it's actually two to three times the number of people who said they were coming.
00:06:55.000If I do this with a high school student, next thing that's going to happen is they're going to Laura Ingram me and say that I mocked someone who's not of age.
00:07:24.000Steven. So, I believe, let me explain my position.
00:07:26.000I believe that socialism is fundamentally evil.
00:07:30.000And I have this here. We usually don't reference this, but it's sources in case someone wants to look at them afterward, but I don't think, I won't use it.
00:07:35.000It's not fair for me to use them. So, I believe socialism is evil.
00:07:38.000You disagree. I would love to hear you change my mind.
00:07:41.000Okay, well, what's your position on the minimum wage?
00:07:44.000Hold on a second. This is your changing my mind.
00:07:47.000I want to make sure. Yes, I want to get started.
00:07:48.000Okay. My position is the minimum wage.
00:07:57.000Okay. Are you against illegal immigration and legal immigration from poor third world countries at the scale that we've been having it so far?
00:09:07.000It's immoral, okay? So as we both agreed, socialism is basically a collective, a governmental control of the means of distribution or production.
00:09:19.000And when I say evil, I mean I believe that that is immoral.
00:09:22.000So can we both agree with that? I don't agree that it's evil.
00:09:25.000No, no, no, but we agree that that's what I'm saying.
00:09:27.000That's my position. Yes. Okay, so what part of my position do you disagree with?
00:09:30.000Again, the goal here is to change my mind, not score points.
00:09:34.000Well, I'm trying to convince you that your own objectives, if you're a conservative, cannot be achieved under capitalism.
00:09:39.000Okay. And so I'll give you an example of that.
00:09:41.000Yeah. You have a lot of Republicans like Paul Ryan who are obstructing Donald Trump.
00:09:47.000Hold on. You cannot deny that he is a big capitalist and he has lots of capitalist donors that would like nothing more than to increase their profits.
00:09:55.000I think you can agree with that. And people like that have been opposing immigration reform for decades because they believe that mass immigration will lower the wages of the working class and increase their profits.
00:10:06.000Now, I would say a lot of what you just said is correct.
00:10:08.000In that many conservatives, Republicans, believe that mass immigration from countries like, say, Mexico, from quote-unquote third-world countries, could lower the wages.
00:10:17.000Yeah, I do believe that a lot of Republicans believe that.
00:10:21.000So if you impose a minimum wage, you're not going to have this mass immigration coming in because the companies that are taking these illegal immigrants and taking these low-wage immigrants, if they had to pay them $15 an hour, we wouldn't have mass immigration like we're having right now.
00:10:34.000Yeah, I don't necessarily know that I agree with that premise.
00:10:36.000So let me kind of go, because first off, I would like to take that, hold it.
00:10:41.000What example would we point to before we go on?
00:10:43.000Because I know a lot of times we disagree, of a successful socialist country.
00:10:47.000Well, there are different kinds of socialism.
00:10:49.000I think you're thinking of the Soviet Union and Venezuela when you say these are unsuccessful countries.
00:10:53.000But you also have Sweden, you have Norway, you have Finland, you have Denmark, you have Germany.
00:10:57.000These are countries that have robust economies and high levels of socialization.
00:11:36.000And then you brought up some successful examples in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, I believe.
00:11:40.000First off, these aren't socialist countries.
00:11:42.000Now, the reason we would point to countries like, say, Venezuela or Cuba, for the same reason Bernie Sanders did for decades, is because they're true examples of socialism.
00:11:50.000The Danish Prime Minister said, Bernie, stop referring to us as a socialist economy.
00:11:55.000They don't have a minimum wage, as we know it.
00:11:57.000They only allow collective bargaining between unions, higher skilled unions, and their employers.
00:12:03.000So these are countries, by the way, if we want to get into their immigration laws, the only way to make it work, if you refer to those countries, I guess I would have to ask, it sounds almost as though you're making an argument, are you a nationalist?
00:12:14.000I would say I'm an economic nationalist.
00:12:29.000But again, this doesn't change the idea.
00:12:31.000Let's get to the fundamental premise before we move on to the pragmatic, and I'd be happy to.
00:12:34.000But I believe that socialism, the ism that we both agreed upon, the collective means, seizing of distribution, production, is immoral.
00:12:44.000I mean, the argument is absurd, because if you say that it's immoral, then you also have to say that government funding of police is immoral, government funding of the military is immoral.
00:12:51.000Anything the government does is immoral, and that's ridiculous, because you have to have some state that's going to socialize certain things.
00:12:56.000And so the question is not, do we have socialization?
00:12:58.000It's how much. Sure. I would disagree with that.
00:13:02.000Now, would you know where I disagree with that?
00:14:12.000Because there's a difference between a public good and a commodity.
00:14:15.000Can you explain to me the difference between public goods and a commodity?
00:14:18.000Well, in economics, a public good is a good that is, I believe, non-excludable and non-rivalrous.
00:14:24.000Exactly. So that would include things like the police, the military.
00:14:29.000You'd be hard-pressed to even find hardcore libertarians to say that we don't need those.
00:14:32.000So there's a big difference. There's a fundamental difference between that And something like healthcare or school.
00:14:38.000Or it goes to free internet, as Sven Computer talked about in Germany now.
00:14:42.000High-speed internet is a right. The second you declare any commodity to be a right or to be a fundamental role of government, that means the government can now remove that right depending on who's in power, and that's the problem.
00:14:51.000That's why I think it's fundamentally immoral for someone to take something they haven't earned, regardless of who's in power.
00:14:56.000I think it's immoral for Donald Trump's administration to take it from you, just as you probably think it's immoral for Barack Obama's administration to take it from me.
00:15:02.000So the difference there would be first, public goods versus commodity.
00:15:06.000And I think that's an important distinction for everyone here to make because it's a common argument we hear from the left.
00:15:09.000If you support any role of government at all, that means that this is socialism.
00:15:13.000But it's not according to the definition that we agreed upon.
00:15:16.000Something else I think it also matters is the constitutional parameters of government, right?
00:15:21.000The Constitution defines what our government is and what fundamental human rights are.
00:15:26.000Well, I want to get back to your earlier point where you said that because the military is a public good, that therefore it's not socialism.
00:15:32.000In your definition, you never made any distinction between different types of goods.
00:15:35.000You just said a socialist economy is one that takes wealth from some people and gives it to others, and that's what financing a public good is.
00:15:41.000No, no, it's not. You talked about redistributing, the redistribution, the common means of production or distribution.
00:15:48.000So, if we want to frame that in, I certainly wouldn't say that that's the police.
00:15:53.000Hopefully we're good. So I would not agree with you if the military or police would be socialist.
00:15:58.000But to move on here, again, let's go to the Danes, Denmark, Norway, Sweden.
00:16:05.000You pointed to them as successful examples of socialism.
00:16:08.000Because that would be different from your definition of socialism.
00:16:10.000So now I've moved on from the idea that taking something you haven't earned to give to someone else is morally reprehensible, regardless of the reason, because socialism can only be enacted through the threat of violence.
00:16:55.000Well, it tends to be characterized by an overemphasis on logic and philosophy as opposed to reality.
00:17:05.000You know, it's very easy to argue from syllogisms and axioms and all that.
00:17:08.000So hold on a second. I want to make sure. Before you move, because what you do is you speak in these paragraphs.
00:17:12.000We need to determine what these definitions are.
00:17:14.000I think we both agree that's fair. Fine.
00:17:15.000Okay. So you just said that autism, if I'm not mistaken, And I would love for you to bring this up, is rooted more in philosophy and theology than facts?
00:17:51.000I wouldn't say that you had a fight with the Clippers and the Clippers won.
00:17:53.000I wouldn't do this. Let's keep this very civil.
00:17:57.000So let's go back to Sweden, Denmark, Norway as examples.
00:18:00.000You pointed to them as successful examples of socialism.
00:18:03.000It was interesting to me that you said, I know you'd want to point to the USSR or Venezuela or these places, but really we should look to these Scandinavian countries.
00:18:10.000Why? Because they provide a good quality of life for their citizens.
00:18:14.000You don't have this gigantic gap between the working class and the upper class.
00:18:18.000There is a commitment of the state to the well-being of their citizens, and I think that's a wonderful thing.
00:18:23.000Okay. So, first off, I agree with you that, first off, the overall well-being of citizens is a tremendous thing.
00:18:29.000I think we would all want, I think everyone here wants a better society, wants a better America.
00:18:33.000I don't think that you want a worse America.
00:18:35.000I hope that you don't believe I want a worse America, despite the fact that you implied I might be autistic.
00:18:39.000So maybe I don't know what's best for America.
00:18:45.000Keep your hate speech off this campus.
00:18:47.000But your reasoning there, and correct me if I'm wrong, you said there isn't the same kind of gap, the inequality gap.
00:18:55.000That was your, I want to get, because you speak in, like I said, in longer paragraphs, it seems the fundamental premise there was Denmark, Norway, Sweden, their examples, because they're successful, they have a higher Quality of living and the main purpose, the main justification you used was there's less of an inequality gap.
00:19:10.000Am I correct? I don't want to misrepresent you.
00:19:11.000Yes. Okay. So your problem is with inequality.
00:19:20.000Fair enough. Inequality. What's immoral about inequality?
00:19:25.000Because there's this idea that you're going to have this society and everybody has social obligations, but If you have a situation where people are being crushed, where people's wages are going down, you lose the social cohesiveness of that society.
00:19:39.000You lose the commitment that everybody has to advancing that society.
00:19:42.000Now you're getting into potential results.
00:19:45.000The hypothetical, almost autistic one could say.
00:19:48.000But I ask again, what is immoral about inequality?
00:19:53.000What's immoral is that it ruins the society.
00:20:11.000As a matter of fact, I would argue that there are two very different things.
00:20:14.000Because I would say, and I think we'd probably have to agree, that the free enterprise westernized capitalist system has pulled more people out of poverty than any system in existence.
00:20:22.000And if you look at countries, you said don't point to countries like Venezuela or true socialist economies.
00:20:26.000There's tremendous equality, but everyone is equally poor.
00:20:30.000So the problem you have is with poverty, it sounds like.
00:20:33.000And I think we both have a problem with that, that we want to solve ways to eliminate as much poverty as possible.
00:20:37.000It's not just poverty. Inequality matters too.
00:20:40.000Because if you have inequality of wealth, you're going to have an upper class that controls the political system and secures its own interests instead of the interests of the people.
00:20:50.000Okay. So, describe to me, and I'd like to go back to that, examples of this.
00:20:54.000The upper ruling class determining the political system.
00:20:57.000Do you want examples of that? Yeah, I would like some examples of that.
00:21:00.000For example, let's say you mentioned that inequality hurts people.
00:21:04.000I would argue no, and I think that's because, again, this is more of a leftist view.
00:21:07.000I know you said you're not really liberal, but I can tell you by your worldview in economics that you do lean more left because you're seeing it as a zero-sum game.
00:21:13.000Wealthy people can't get wealthy off of the backs of poor people if they make them more poor.
00:21:17.000That's kind of, if we're going to talk about motives and attributing motives that you've done a couple of times here, if I believe that, if I want everyone to be wealthy, I would necessarily, if I need a system of government that would want people to be wealthy, it would require people to be wealthy.
00:21:32.000For someone who would want to control a system of government like in socialist economies, who would want to consistently talk or gain the votes of the poor, they could only be elected if people are poor.
00:21:42.000Bernie Sanders is not going to be elected by a rich country.
00:21:45.000We're not trying to make everybody rich.
00:21:46.000That's not possible. We're trying to create a fairer distribution of wealth.
00:21:49.000But I want to get back to your earlier question about how are the wealthy controlling the political...
00:22:17.000That hurts me. I have a problem with poverty.
00:22:19.000I don't care if someone else has more than me, so long as I have a system where I'm able to do okay.
00:22:22.000Do you understand that it's the upper class and the capitalists that want mass immigration and want illegal immigration because it's in their economic self-interest?
00:22:29.000If you're a Republican and you're with the capitalists, you're going against your own interests.
00:24:14.000I would agree that if we're going to take a model and say they've created a social safety net that functions better than many other countries.
00:24:22.000For example, socialized healthcare and education.
00:25:01.000Appreciate it very much. We'll grab someone else here.
00:25:02.000Thank you, Yusuf. This is always interesting to me because we talk about this a lot, and I know, and if we look here, just so, I think we've talked about this, we're going to be actually selling for like five or six bucks.
00:25:14.000I'm not looking for New York. We're going to be selling the Change My Mind pamphlet so that you guys can actually be prepared for some of these arguments.
00:25:19.000Right here on page three, I actually have, if anyone here, you know what, kind of like a magician.
00:25:23.000Oh, you have a MAGA hat. Can you come here really quickly?
00:25:26.000What are the words written down right there?
00:25:35.000So, if you guys know where people are going to try and direct the conversation, you don't get distracted by words like, you know, autistic or shill, which is what they throw out, you can be prepared very often for how people disagree.
00:25:47.000Now, here's the thing. To provide a brief education on Denmark, Sweden, and Norway, I didn't think that was going to go anywhere super productive.
00:25:54.000They made their wealth long before they became what you would call socialist economies.
00:25:59.000Now, by the way, they're not socialist economies.
00:26:01.000The Danish Prime Minister, when Bernie Sanders was saying, we should be like Denmark, socialist, he said, shut up!
00:26:07.000He said we're a free market economy, and we place emphasis on social safety, which they are now scaling back.
00:26:40.000I think if you're comparing it to the United States, if you make 1.2 times the average income, so in the United States, that would be $50,000.
00:26:47.000If you make $60,000, you'd be paying 60% income tax.
00:26:51.000So what they do is they understand that they can't stifle businesses, so they have lower corporate tax rates, and the United States doesn't sound very socialist, and they have increased taxes on the middle and lower classes.
00:27:01.000They pay more taxes. Everyone pays something.
00:28:04.000Very interesting. If we take that kind of cultural, social fabric of Denmark, Norway, Sweden.
00:28:09.000So take them. They do have a higher standard of living on average than the average American.
00:28:13.000But if you take the Danes who are in America, if you take Swedish-Americans, if you take Norwegian-Americans, they actually have on average a 55% higher standard of living index than the Swedes in Sweden!
00:28:25.000So it's because they've brought a culture with them.
00:28:27.000Again, if you look at the very storied culture of hard work ethics, of personal accountability, of shame, they do better there, and they do far better in the United States than even in their homeland.
00:28:37.000You get people who have that work ethic, who have that kind of cultural fabric, who have that history, and you give them a free enterprise system, my god, watch them bloom.
00:28:45.000But I appreciate, I forgot his name, Yusuf, thank you very much.
00:29:07.000Like I said, this is not the show that we wanted to do.
00:29:11.000We'll bring that back through. We've never done this.
00:29:13.000Usually a change of mind is sitting down with a couple of people, not a few hundred people out there in a quad, with a don't tread on me flag.
00:30:45.000But I think that, based on research from past countries, That capitalism is great when a country is trying to get back on its feet.
00:30:57.000But I think once you kind of, I don't want to say peak as a country, but economically, Once you kind of reach that stability and like you feel like your economy is thriving, I think then there should be a shift towards socialism, but not, I don't think a full-blown like socialism reform, socialist reform by any means.
00:31:19.000Because I wouldn't go full-blown, so I want to make sure we know what we're agreeing on.
00:31:22.000I mean, it in a sense is a redistribution of wealth, but not to the extent of communism.
00:31:27.000Okay, so here, well, sorry, my right, your left, here's anarchy, here's communism, Here's free enterprise, here'd be socialism, and here'd be kind of the middle?
00:32:12.000So, again, this is one thing that I find pretty common with the Change My Mind.
00:32:17.000And I think this is important because we have changed quite a few minds with this segment.
00:32:21.000A lot of people have come back and said, hey, you know what, I didn't think about this before, or I hadn't looked at it from that angle before.
00:32:26.000The premise and addressing the premise is important.
00:32:28.000If someone fundamentally, and that's why it's framed this way, believes that something is evil or immoral, If you don't get them off of that, you have almost, you know, if I can't convince the mother, I have no hope of convincing the child.
00:32:39.000I mean, I'll go on 34th Street. Anyone know?
00:32:40.000No? All right. So, because they're doomed to a life of fear, dominated by doubt.
00:32:46.000Anyways, movie quotes. I could go on all night.
00:32:47.000Sorry, this is very rude of me. The point is, if you don't change my mind on the idea that it's immoral, because you said, I think once a country establishes itself, then they can kind of shift towards socialism, but not full-blown socialism.
00:32:59.000So, let me, I guess, frame it this way.
00:33:02.000I believe it's immoral to take something that you haven't earned.
00:33:05.000Theft is the felonious taking of something that is not rightfully yours.
00:33:10.000We would agree on that. So taking something that isn't yours is immoral.
00:33:15.000I believe socialism is immoral because it's theft.
00:33:19.000Now, how does that change if an economy is more stable or less stable if it's theft?
00:33:25.000Exactly. I get where you're coming from with that.
00:33:29.000I think the money that's being redistributed is going towards things that everybody can use.
00:33:38.000Because I honestly, like this is coming from, I'm very left on this issue, not very, but I'm pretty left on this issue, and I think welfare is very abused.
00:33:46.000But I think it is needed, um, to some extent.
00:33:49.000And I think that, I mean, that goes hand in hand.
00:33:50.000Like a battered housewife who won't leave her husband, like, okay, I'll make the roast!
00:34:39.000So, let's say I... Let's use an example of something I think people could all agree on.
00:34:45.000The kids with cleft palates could probably use the $20 in my pocket far more than I can, right?
00:34:50.000Exactly, yeah. And there are charities that provide fixes to this.
00:34:54.000Yes, exactly. So, if you were to punch me in the face repeatedly, you know, go bam, bam, bagel on me and headbutt me and take my $20 and give it to a charity that helps kids with cleft palates...
00:35:06.000Would that be moral? Would it change the fact that you Bam Bam Bigelow'd me and took my money?
00:35:10.000No, I mean, I wouldn't. But I mean, the process is much different than punching somebody in the face with socialism.
00:35:14.000Not all that different. Well, yeah, I understand where you're coming from totally.
00:36:10.000You know what, here's one thing. I don't know percentages, but I would agree with you that certainly the United States as it exists today is not a true free market economy.
00:37:21.000You said, maybe I'll concede this territory.
00:37:23.000And now I would like to give you an opportunity, since you're well-spoken and very respectful, to go to the pragmatic.
00:37:28.000I think that's also an important component.
00:37:30.000It doesn't change the premise, but I would love to give you an opportunity, because I think you can probably articulate it well.
00:37:36.000So I think the hard part about socialism also is you're always going to have an asshole dictator that's going to take over and try to make a communist because he wants it all.
00:39:01.000Oh, that's one more thing, actually, I should add that's very interesting, because probably if you wrote a paper on this, one thing, too, that people understand, not only is the income tax significantly higher in the middle and lower class, but the value-added taxes, these, you know, we call them VAT taxes here, those obviously impact consumers on a scale, which people would say, you know...
00:39:16.000Here in the United States, Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, they're very much against value-added taxes because they negatively affect consumers and the middle class more than the billionaires because how many yachts can you buy?
00:39:26.000That's a huge component to the centralized economy in Denmark.
00:39:31.000I'm glad you brought it up. I have firsthand experience with this, and I think they have one car for their whole family, which is not heard of in America.
00:39:42.000But it encourages public transportation more.
00:41:01.000Pickpocketing isn't the same thing to me.
00:41:04.000I'm having a hard time articulating it, but I understand what you mean with the pickpocketing and the punching.
00:41:12.000And the punching, and the kicking, and the screaming, and that you're autisticing.
00:41:16.000Socialism is violent. Socialism is violent, and that's why anywhere you see true socialism, like you said, it runs into becoming a violent regime very quickly.
00:41:25.000Which I think a lot of it has in fact to do with military.
00:41:45.000Jared was... He was making eyes at you.
00:41:49.000So one thing we talk about, you're like, well, maybe kind of if we redistribute it, when we get to a certain point...
00:41:55.000Let's just say you don't agree with the pickpocketing or the punching example.
00:41:59.000This is something I've never, and Thomas Sowell has talked about this, I'm not bringing anything new, so please people, I'm not ripping it off.
00:42:04.000I know that these are not new arguments.
00:42:05.000I've never understood why it is considered moral for someone to take money from someone else, that someone else has earned.
00:42:14.000And I think maybe you can help me with this, but it's immoral for me to want to keep money that I've earned.
00:42:22.000Because that's what socialism is. Yeah, maybe my views will change when I'm making bank and I don't want anybody to take, you know, any money from me.
00:42:31.000As of now, I know what it's like to be a college student, a poor college student, and have parents that are helping me pay through college.
00:42:38.000It would just be nice to have a little bit more of a break with that kind of stuff.
00:43:22.000I don't know. You changed my mind on some aspects.
00:43:24.000I feel like I also made you see that like, you know, not everybody that's kind of more left is just a bad person.
00:43:29.000Well, yes. Well, I don't believe that everyone who's left is a bad person.
00:43:32.000Yeah, I know. What I do believe is that you're, I do believe your premise is incorrect.
00:43:36.000And I do believe that then if we get to the pragmatically speaking, which we didn't really get to because it sounds as though you're kind of acknowledging on a grand scale it couldn't work.
00:43:43.000I just think it's important to leave this conversation knowing that I understand you want what's best for America.
00:43:48.000You understand that I want what's best.
00:43:49.000Yeah. We disagree, and here I've given you something to think about, and I appreciate you taking the time to do it.
00:46:35.000You get various definitions. Let's go with the dictionary.
00:46:39.000Right. So I guess you could argue that it is the communalization of the means of production, the socialization of the means of production.
00:46:47.000Hold on a second. Hold on a second. This is very important.
00:46:49.000And this is one thing I know when I went to college and I see them doing it more and more.
00:46:53.000It's okay to say you would presume this, or maybe one might presuppose and talk about your arguments and opinions.
00:46:58.000But there are certain things that aren't arguments or opinions.
00:47:01.000There are certain things that are facts.
00:47:03.000I think we have to agree on that. So I can't go with you down that trail if you say, I suppose you could argue that the definition you just gave, if you could repeat it and say we agree that's socialism, then we can have a conversation, because I'm not arguing what it is.
00:47:15.000Well, what do you believe socialism is?
00:48:01.000I believe it's immoral. Definitely. Okay, go ahead.
00:48:03.000So what I wanted to say is that I think that, you know, blanketing these statements that socialism is as evil is driving our society away from A couple of beneficial policies.
00:48:14.000One of them, I believe, is guaranteed basic income, which is an economic system that's been proposed by capitalists, by socialists.
00:48:22.000Basically what it would do is it would change the welfare state as we know it, where everybody would be guaranteed a certain amount of income.
00:48:30.000This would be around the poverty level.
00:48:31.000So we're guaranteeing everybody, you know, like shelter, food, Clothing, however, it would create an incentive for free market enterprise at the same time and create an incentive to work, an incentive for people to get out and profit.
00:48:54.000Alright. I think he must have been talking to you.
00:48:57.000So, here's one thing that you just said, I think it would be to sort of eliminate this through the idea that it's evil, would be to not acknowledge the virtues, I guess you said, the beneficial economic effects, economic benefits of socialism.
00:49:12.000Again, this is really important because it comes back to the idea that it's evil.
00:49:17.000So, for example, many people in Germany argued, especially after the Treaty of Versailles, they would say, well, Hitler was great for the economy.
00:49:24.000Does that change his idea of national socialism?
00:49:56.000Hitler's, you know, we say the 1%, Hitler said, the Jews!
00:49:59.000So, the point is, no, no, it's not a false equivalency.
00:50:03.000The point is, it doesn't change the fundamental morality of the policy, regardless of how beneficial it is economically.
00:50:11.000I'm not saying it's rich people's fault.
00:50:14.000I'm saying that that's where you get the wealth disparity.
00:50:17.000But before that, as you said, it's to deny the economic benefits.
00:50:20.000If the act that would drive economic benefits, for example, you're probably taught in school that the United States was built on the backs of slavery.
00:50:27.000I don't agree with that, but you've been taught that, right?
00:51:11.000And you're here to change my mind, and you're like, well, I'm disregarding that it's immoral.
00:51:15.000What if Z? But it does matter if it's immoral.
00:51:18.000How do you get socialism out of slavery?
00:51:20.000No, the point is they're both immoral, regardless of economic impact.
00:51:24.000The benefit of something doesn't change its inherent morality.
00:51:27.000We used this example before. If I steal, I can steal money, and I can use it to go get hookers and blow, or I can steal money and I can give it to Bono's charity, which actually is a horrible example because Bono's charity gives less than 1% of charity.
00:51:38.000That's not what I'm advocating for. Well, it is.
00:51:40.000That's what socialism is. Well, I'm advocating for universal basic income, which is a socialist policy.
00:51:45.000How do you provide it? Well, you provide it by taxes.
00:51:48.000How do you get taxes? Tax people's income?
00:51:52.000How do you do that? The IRS? What if I don't want to pay income taxes for universal income?
00:52:17.000But surely, I mean, you talked about this with someone earlier.
00:52:22.000There are necessary goods that need to be provided via taxes that wouldn't be provided because of a free rider problem.
00:52:30.000In this case, you can link that back to the universal basic income.
00:52:33.000It provides goods that some people can't afford normally.
00:52:37.000Again, we're going back. I think you're jumping around here, and I think we're about out of time.
00:52:41.000We're going to do the gun argument. Because if I say that socialism is evil, and you grant that, well, maybe it is, but some people really need that theft to occur.
00:52:48.000That's not what I'm saying. Well, that is what you're saying.
00:52:49.000No. So you don't believe that threatening someone with jail, if they don't pay additional taxes to take their money...
00:52:56.000It's not additional. It's not additional taxes. It's overhauling the welfare state system that we have in the status quo.
00:53:03.000Wealthy people in America today pay about half.
00:53:06.000What's the number? What's the moral number?
00:53:08.000The moral number of a percentage that they should pay?
00:53:11.000Well, I think it's important to audit where our money is going first and then evaluate how much it would cost for a universal basic income.
00:53:19.000After that, you talk to the economists and you decide what would be an appropriate income tax level to provide for a universal basic income.
00:53:39.000Max. I appreciate it, Max, because, again, if we both agree on the premise, you haven't changed my mind as to the fundamentalism of socialism.
00:53:46.000Thank you, Max. I appreciate it. You can give the floor to someone else.
00:53:47.000Thank you. You know what, Naki, Jared, let's change this to the firearm argument, the pro-gun change.
00:53:52.000We have that, right? Do we have that banner?
00:53:55.000Yeah. I don't know who the radicals are.
00:53:57.000Are there radicals here? Hold on one second.
00:54:20.000This is one, obviously, it's a hot topic right now.
00:54:23.000You have a lot of high schoolers who are making the rounds.
00:54:26.000And I know it's unpopular to say, I don't think that people should be determining policies, certainly as it relates to fundamental human rights, on an emotive response, regardless of whether they're 16 or 96.
00:54:51.000Alright? Kind of violates the principle of civil dialogue and changed my mind.
00:54:57.000Denigrating an entire nation of people.
00:54:59.000But the truth is Canada's pretty silly.
00:55:03.000And so this is an issue right now that is, I think, particularly for a lot of people here, particularly, obviously, as we're talking about today, here at the school, you know, listen, we want to do this big show that we did, like, at SMU here, and we can't do it without security to ensure the security of the audience and the security of the venue.
00:55:17.000And this is also something, before we get into the second event, so it's very near and dear to our heart, because many members of our team have had restraining orders or they've had serious security threats where, I won't say who, but some of them do have to carry.
00:56:52.000Yeah! It's like that scene in Fred Claus where they make the hula hoops and the baseball bats.
00:56:57.000All that matters is that a kid has a present to open up on Christmas.
00:56:59.000That's what this is. We didn't want the fans to be screwed.
00:57:02.000We know it's not ideal, but we appreciate you showing up.
00:57:04.000And hey, look, we didn't get any rain.
00:57:07.000So, I'm pretty sure that's a sign God hates socialism.
00:57:12.000And then as to the rules that change that we talk about, I'm sure plenty of people have dealt with this with Facebook and Twitter and YouTube.
00:57:18.000They make up these new violations and they change the rules and you don't know how to play by them because there really are no rules.
00:57:23.000That's what happens when we often try to come to campus.
00:57:25.000That's what often happens when we try to get everything booked in advance.
00:57:28.000The rules change. There were some miscommunications here.
00:57:31.000So we appreciate the private security detail who came out.
00:57:33.000We appreciate the one officer who was willing to show up today.
00:59:00.000So, this is what we have written down, as you can see here, kind of in red, while some of these are in black, are the claims that they might make.
00:59:07.000And could you do me a favor? These are arguments that are very commonly made by the left.
00:59:53.000Because they have the same arguments. Well, because what did I do?
00:59:55.000I looked at what your professors here on campus say.
00:59:59.000And by the way, it's the exact same when you go back to Marx, to Bernie Sanders, you go all the way to the media when they talk about democratic socialism, there's nothing new.
01:00:07.000Now, it doesn't mean that you shouldn't prepare yourself for every possibility, but all I have to do is look at what your professors say, and we heard that parroted today.
01:00:13.000So can you do me a favor here? Let's just read kind of these claims so people can kind of see.
01:00:17.000We won't go through the rebuttals, but we'll just see the claims that we anticipated today.
01:00:20.000Sure. The top 0.1% have as much wealth as the bottom 90% or any variant of that stat.
01:00:27.000This income inequality is outrageous and immoral.
01:00:31.000Now, of course, I wrote it as a more angry liberal.
01:00:54.000Universal healthcare is way better in other countries.
01:00:57.000You're reading it like Andy Kaufman reading The Great Gatsby.
01:00:59.000You're very enthusiastic. It is better in other countries.
01:01:03.000I appreciate it. We didn't hear someone bring that up, but we did hear people bring up the virtues of socialized healthcare.
01:01:07.000One thing there that's really easy, by the way, Really, really easy.
01:01:11.000When people say universal healthcare in other countries, because now we've gotten off the moral argument, keep bringing them back to, well, hold on a second.
01:01:16.000If Hitler provided universal healthcare, I'm not comparing Bernie Sanders to Hitler, but I'm saying if you use nationalist socialism to provide healthcare for a certain nation of people, does that change the fundamental immoral act of that ill-gotten gain?
01:01:30.000It doesn't. But even then, when we get to the pragmatic results, and we write this here, actually, we have these stats, but You don't need all these stats.
01:01:36.000For example, 45% more likely to die in British hospitals.
01:01:38.000Emergency rooms, you can see here, nine hours in Canada.
01:01:41.000In the United States, it's two hours. I dealt with that one as a kid.
01:01:43.000You don't need those stats. There's one stat you need to know when it comes to universal healthcare.
01:01:47.000The only example that the left can point to of universal healthcare working better...
01:01:51.000is our subjective polling methods where people are asked if they're satisfied with their level of health care.
01:01:57.000Well, it's just like with college kids here.
01:01:59.000If someone gave you a crappy 2002 Kia and you'd been riding the Champaign-Illinois bus for weeks, you would think that that was awesome.
01:02:05.000If someone said, do you like your car, you'd probably say yes, right?
01:02:08.000Now, that being said, someone who has a five-year-old Cadillac and is ready and is able to afford something better and wants to, they would have a different standard.
01:02:15.000So the only stat that leftists point to, or I would say, I don't want to say only because I'm like, well, there's this one in this colony with these tribes.
01:02:22.000Let's remove that. The main staff that's pointed to, and I would question your professors on this, when they say universal healthcare works better than these other countries, now we've gotten away from the moral argument, we've gotten away from the economic nationalism that you see in these countries, you're talking about subjective standards.
01:02:36.000Because objectively, longer wait times are not better.
01:02:39.000Objectively, higher mortality rates are not better.
01:02:42.000Objectively, your chances of dying from some kind of a serious illness or not getting care are not better.
01:02:48.000Objectively, the standards are not better.
01:02:52.000Be prepared for that and know that, because it's the most common argument I see, and I see so many conservatives going, well, I guess I didn't know that Cuba had better health care.
01:03:01.000Did you see that? And Michael Morsico, for a perfect example, he claimed Cuba had better health care than the United States.
01:03:07.000Why? Because they thought it was better.
01:03:09.000They said, do you like your health care more?
01:03:10.000And they said, yes, we think it's better.
01:03:12.000But it's not. Alright, do we need to...
01:04:44.000And let's discuss that. Do not allow the conversation to go on undefined.
01:04:49.000Not only is it no longer productive, you'll just begin talking in circles and it becomes a cable news soundbite gotcha game, but it's also just a way to not be able to make a constructive argument.
01:05:00.000It's just not helpful, and sometimes you end up looking stupid because you haven't defined what it is.
01:05:21.000It's like Mathry Roderick in the computer wore tennis shoes.
01:05:23.000He's just... You're like Sven Computer. Beep, beep, boop.
01:05:25.00095%. And by the way, we also have, as you can see, we have death rates here, all of these sources, which would be in the Change My Mind book when we release it.
01:05:34.000We're going to move on to the Second Amendment thing, but I appreciate you watching my back there, and I appreciate you helping me out with this.
01:05:38.000Is there anything else you have to say? Can you follow me on Twitter?
01:05:47.000Everyone here, follow Debbie on Twitter.
01:05:49.000Debbie Bernal. Oh, and by the way, if I can ask you guys, everyone here has a smart device, the stream is live on YouTube and Facebook.
01:05:56.000If everyone here could take out your smartphone and make sure to tweet out the hashtag ChangeMyMind and Crowder Illinois Takeover, which was not self-titled, but I think it's pretty...
01:07:58.000It doesn't work if we say, well, first off, what do we agree on the Second Amendment to mean?
01:08:02.000And this is something that we see a lot.
01:08:04.000You see a lot when people come up, and they're a little bit more confident, and then people see some discussions kind of unravel the way they did, and they go, well, I'm not really a socialist.
01:08:12.000I'm not really against the Second Amendment.
01:08:13.000I'm against gun policy implementation, is what you've said now.
01:08:16.000It doesn't work for me, but let's go along that trail.
01:08:20.000First off, what do you believe the Second Amendment to mean?
01:08:23.000I mean, I believe it's the right to bear arms, regardless of whatever type of gun.
01:08:27.000I know you're going to have to have you speak up, Karthik.
01:08:29.000Okay, sorry. You can yell at me, it's okay.
01:08:31.000Just don't call me autistic. Can you hear me?
01:08:33.000Yes. All right, so, I believe that the Second Amendment is...
01:08:52.000Karthik, you have to speak up or we can't do this.
01:08:55.000Okay, so I believe that from a policy standpoint, we have to regulate certain types of guns or just certain types of situations to account for certain external...
01:09:03.000Karthik, you're very nice, but your voice is like white noise.
01:09:26.000I believe that there are certain situations where the government has to step in to account for certain externalities that might exist within, you know, whether or not that's the economy or the society.
01:09:35.000So, from a certain standpoint, I agree that we should, you know, be very, well, I use the term lightly, but I believe we should be very liberal in terms of the type of guns we allow in the society.
01:09:47.000I just think that we have to place certain regulations to prevent certain...
01:09:59.000Okay. So what matters is also the why.
01:10:01.000Why? I mean, I believe that it's to, you know, prevent against, like, an oppressive government.
01:10:07.000Yes, yes. Well, both internal and external threats.
01:10:10.000So we would both agree on that? Yeah. Okay, good.
01:10:12.000Because, well, actually, they're often not teaching that in schools.
01:10:14.000So I appreciate that you actually acknowledge that, that, okay, the Second Amendment is to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government, historically understand why that exists, and you said that should include, we should be very liberal, including most firearms.
01:10:25.000And now you've said certain externalities.
01:10:26.000So that's, the reason why is it's, and by the way, we would both have to agree it's Amendment No.
01:11:37.000I think that we do need to attack this from a standpoint.
01:11:42.000Okay, hold on. So let's stop doing this. What changes would you make to the Second Amendment, or what do we need to do differently?
01:11:46.000Because I don't want to walk around in circles here, especially when people get here.
01:11:48.000The Second Amendment right now gives me the right to keep and bear arms, to protect myself against a tyrannical government, or someone kicking in my door, or all of the above.
01:11:57.000So I think just as an addendum to the Second Amendment, right, and this is going to be very, very unpopular, right, but I believe that I think we need gun registry.
01:12:06.000I think we need to keep a tally on who has guns.
01:12:11.000I believe this because I think it can actually aid in law enforcement, right?
01:12:14.000You can actually create risk pools, so where gun violence is likely to occur based on, you know, how many suicides have occurred in a certain situation.
01:12:23.000So if you have a gun registry, you can actually tally that data, and you can create...
01:12:28.000I appreciate you taking time, Karthik.
01:12:29.000That's where we're going to end this one. Give it up for Karthik, everybody.
01:12:31.000It's hard to hear him. And the only reason I'm doing this is because there's no way...
01:12:36.000Hold on a second, hold on a second, hands down.
01:12:37.000There's no way... You can go wherever you want, or you can hang around for a bit.
01:12:40.000There's no way that my mind will be changed on this, because we just talked about, okay, the Second Amendment, what it is, it's a fundamental human right to defend against a tyrannical government.
01:12:48.000And this is one thing that kind of happens with the left.
01:13:02.000Keep in mind, the left today, as we know them, of course, as today's social movement, these are the people who believe that police officers are offing black kids in record numbers just because of the melanin in their skin.
01:13:11.000So to say that we acknowledge that the Second Amendment is a fundamental human right to defend against a tyrannical government would fly in the face of the idea of a gun registry.
01:13:18.000And if you look at this, you look at the Australian buyback that people often point to, you look at what's happened in places where there are gun registries, Yes, it is used directly to infringe upon people's human rights, which is the entire purpose of the Second Amendment in the first place.
01:13:31.000I just didn't want to continue down that trail.
01:13:32.000I know you guys couldn't hear him. I don't think it's a particularly convincing argument.
01:13:35.000The second I hear gun registry, I'm not on board.
01:15:18.000I'm not using the notes. So I would love for you to read the Second Amendment.
01:15:22.000Hold on, hey, Russian collusion. Jonah, I would like for you to read the Second Amendment.
01:15:25.000Don't worry, they're just rambunctious because they didn't get Tranny Bain out here.
01:15:29.000If you can read the Second Amendment for me, I would appreciate it.
01:15:32.000A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
01:15:42.000Hold on a second, one thing, one thing, one thing.
01:15:45.000Hold on, hold on, calm down, hold on a second.
01:17:07.000I'm saying that, yes, back in the day the Second Amendment covered, yes, all small arms, all individual arms that could be used defensively, yes.
01:17:15.000So you're saying that I should be able, I'm 18, should I be able to go buy a tank?
01:19:54.000I'm not familiar with D.C. versus Heller.
01:19:56.000Okay. Well, that's the most fundamental Second Amendment case in modern history.
01:20:01.000So this is actually where we went down and there were dissenting voices at LOST, so the Second Amendment is currently as it is interpreted.
01:20:08.000And it's interpreted as a way that you and I disagreed upon.
01:20:11.000Which is, people have the right to keep and bear arms, period.
01:20:16.000Helen. I was about to say Helen Keller.
01:20:18.000I always get it. Heller versus D.C. What's really important there is you talk about the judiciary, because now we're talking about interpretation of the Second Amendment.
01:20:24.000So, let me be really clear before, because then I'll let you know what the judiciary interpretation was of the Second Amendment.
01:20:29.000What's your interpretation of the Second Amendment?
01:20:32.000Well, as I said, I said it when we first started.
01:21:33.000What I would really like to get back to is, I mean, do you believe that I should be able to have a...
01:21:37.000Could you do me one favor? I don't want to...
01:21:38.000Could you do me a favor? Because you just kind of jumped around to a bunch of different things.
01:21:41.000The First Amendment. First off, you went through libel and slander, two very different things, and they're illegal, by the way, for different reasons, which do not infringe upon the First Amendment.
01:21:50.000Just like when people use the argument yelling, fire in a crowded theater, it's the call to action.
01:21:53.000Libel or slander is actually something that is designed to hurt somebody.
01:21:57.000One in the written form, one in the spoken form, which is untrue.
01:22:01.000So what you're effectively suing for is that it's a crime because it causes damages in a very tangible way that is fundamentally untrue.
01:22:21.000Okay. Let's get back to the Second Amendment.
01:22:23.000Because you just jumped around and said there are limitations of the First Amendment.
01:22:25.000I agree, and let's try and stay on top.
01:22:27.000So let's go back to the Second Amendment.
01:22:28.000Now, the Second Amendment, we agreed on it, but now you're saying there are limitations that need to be interpreted judicially, correct?
01:22:35.000Well, I'm saying I think oftentimes you will hear conservatives take this extreme approach whereby they would say, oh, Let's talk about, like, right now, right?
01:22:47.000People are trying to, you know, ban semi-autos or etc.
01:22:51.000There's a whole bunch of things, bump stocks, the whole thing, right?
01:22:54.000Repeal the Second Amendment. Well, let's not talk about that, Greg, because that's not what all liberals think, that we should repeal the Second Amendment.
01:23:01.000Many of them do. I don't know if that's true.
01:23:23.000Again, let's get away from the First Amendment.
01:23:25.000My point is... What's your problem with the Second Amendment?
01:23:27.000Let's get to this, because you're talking around. What is your problem with the Second Amendment, as we both agreed it to be?
01:23:31.000And then we'll move on from here. Conservatives often will say, I want my high-capacity magazine, because when the government ultimately becomes tyrannical, and that's up for debate, but sure, fine.
01:23:43.000Under the assumption that all governments become tyrannical...
01:23:46.000No, no, no, no, no. Okay, hold on a second.
01:23:49.000I know you came in and you said looking for an argument.
01:23:51.000I think... Are you more of an argumentative person?
01:23:55.000I mean, I don't know quite how to answer that question.
01:23:57.000I'll say yes. Because what you just did was you presumed my premise.
01:24:01.000You said most conservatives, and then you brought up something that most conservatives do not believe, and then you said all, the assumption that all governments become tyrannical.
01:24:10.000So these are presumptions that you're making that I didn't make.
01:25:08.000So I appreciate your enthusiasm, but let's let him go.
01:25:10.000I'm saying oftentimes I hear conservatives say...
01:25:12.000Oh, I need an AR-15, I need a high-capacity magazine because I need to be able to protect myself from the government, which is the purpose of the Second Amendment.
01:25:20.000And so then I'm going to say, okay, so in order to fully protect yourself from the Second Amendment, you ought to have a tank.
01:25:26.000Is that what you're saying? And I think that's kind of an absurd thing.
01:25:29.000That is not what I'm saying. I'm not saying in order to protect, you ought to have a tank.
01:25:32.000That's not what I'm saying. Okay, so let's say the military all of a sudden tomorrow wants to take over the government, do a coup d'etat, whatever.
01:25:39.000Then they'll come stroll into your house and do whatever they want, right?
01:25:43.000Because they have a tank, and you can shoot them with your semi-automatic weapon, but like, the tank's gonna win.
01:26:35.000Let's agree with that. So you're saying if they perchance became tyrannical, they would have this incredible advantage because they'd have tanks, not to mention drones, nukes, and your solution to this imbalance in power is to create an even greater discrepancy in power.
01:26:53.000So I see what you're saying, and that makes sense.
01:26:57.000I'd take an AR-15 over nothing, I'd take 300 million Americans with an AR-15 over a tank, and I certainly would take my fundamental human right to own one over someone else's opinion.
01:27:17.000It doesn't change the fact as to what the Second Amendment is.
01:27:19.000But again, yes, if you look at Afghanistan, you look at guerrilla warfare, you look at, for example, Switzerland with World War II. Armed citizens, it is.
01:27:28.000We know it to be a deterrent. Switzerland was neutral in World War II. No, Switzerland was neutral in World War II, but Switzerland, every person was armed.
01:27:35.000Geographically and because of an armed populace, if you look at documentation, that was a big part that allowed them to be neutral.
01:27:40.000You read about the Japanese talking about the Americans where they didn't want to get into a land war.
01:27:50.000Well, I guess then we have a very fundamental misunderstanding that you think a military is scared of the U.S. population because they are well-armed.
01:28:15.000Of course, I do believe that an armed citizenry versus a tyrannical government is far better than a completely disarmed citizenry.
01:28:20.000I know you disagree there, but yeah, I think that that's better overall.
01:28:23.000And it doesn't change the fact that I have a fundamental human right in this country to self-protection, regardless of your opinion.
01:28:29.000So the reason I ask you this is because your problem has been with the interpretation from conservatives, as you said, of the Second Amendment.
01:28:34.000We're going to have to wrap it up here.
01:31:02.000You guys can't just steal the intellectual property.
01:31:04.000That's another argument. Does intellectual property actually exist?
01:31:06.000And where does it infringe upon the rights of physical property?
01:31:09.000Changed my mind. Okay, so something that I find interesting, actually here, he surprisingly didn't, no one brought up the mass shootings argument.
01:31:17.000We have an overall kind of strategy that I write down.
01:31:19.000I have a brilliant researcher named Reg who helps me and we prepare.
01:31:23.000We sit down and kind of do mock debates through every scenario.
01:31:25.000Listen, by the way, I'm showing you this to show you I'm not some skilled debate.
01:31:29.000I'm not this brilliant. I'm not a Thomas Sowell.
01:31:31.000I'm a comedian who happens to have a platform and I'm so humbled and grateful for it.
01:31:35.000And I'm just hoping that I can help you guys go forward so you can have these conversations and actually change people's minds.
01:31:41.000That's one thing that Naki and Jared and I will say.
01:31:43.000You know, when we went out and we did Change My Mind the first time, We thought there's no way this is going to be a hit because I had been on Fox News for four and a half years and they were always like, soundbite kids, soundbite!
01:31:51.000You know? That's why Al Sharpton just made things rhyme before he has the stroke and the teleprompter.
01:31:57.000And we would sit down and do an hour conversation.
01:32:00.000And it was just, what, tens of millions of plays?
01:32:02.000I don't know how many. It's been one of our most successful segments because it tells me that there's a craving for truth out there right now.
01:32:09.000That people want to see something raw.
01:33:30.000It's this idea of, well, we already live in a society where there's this discrepancy in power, where the government has so much power.
01:33:35.000So the solution, I don't know, it's so illogical to me, the solution should be to strip the people who are already less powerful of the power they currently have.
01:34:40.000With McFarland Auditorium at SMU, we had to turn away people in a 2,500-seat auditorium.
01:34:44.000Just making sure that the exits there are secure required, I think, 18, 25 police officers.
01:34:50.000And so we're really trying to get everything up to snuff here.
01:34:53.000We actually, specifically for you guys, just so you know, Specifically because of the miscommunications that fell through and security not being as helpful as we would have liked them to, and specifically because we weren't able to get in and bring in our equipment, we bought a shitty news van slash bus to equip so that when things like this happen, we can in an emergency drive across the country and get to you guys faster.
01:35:13.000That way we can actually broadcast from the van.
01:35:18.000We will broadcast from the van on the side of the road, if we have to.
01:35:57.000And I say this, I'm hunched over here.
01:35:59.000I feel like the BFG. You guys, this is genuinely about everyone out here, and I appreciate everyone here being respectful and not shouting anyone down.
01:36:06.000This is not about the police officers on campus.
01:36:10.000This is not about the college Republicans.
01:36:12.000This is not about me. It's not about Nakai Jarrett.
01:36:14.000It's about the audience here, the fans, people out there who crave truth, who want to walk in the light of truth right now on campus.
01:36:21.000And I know it's hard. I know it's time to...
01:36:58.000But a kid came up and he talked to me after SMU. And he said, you know, your show saved my life.
01:37:05.000I know that sounds like, well, how could it?
01:37:07.000He said, I felt so alone, and I was very depressed, and I'm a conservative on campus, and I was constantly vilified, and as I came out of the closet as a conservative, I lost friends, and I think, I won't get into private details, but this is someone who obviously has some mental health issues.
01:37:23.000Which is also why, by the way, I don't believe in removing fundamental human rights for people who have mental health issues because that's one thing when we talk about not wanting to stigmatize all gun owners, I think it's also important to not stigmatize anyone who has PTSD or someone who as a teenager was depressed and miserable because they tried to whack them out on drugs because they weren't more like kids and then tell them they can't own a gun to protect themselves because they have some issues.
01:38:02.000And watching this show made me feel less alone.
01:38:05.000And here's the thing. The only point to this, and this is, we want to arm you guys.
01:38:08.000Arm, gosh, we're going to get in trouble. With the ability to provide information to everyone on campus, we want you to all be able to provide your own arguments.
01:38:18.000This is the opposite of having some secret formula.
01:38:21.000We want to give it out to as many people as possible.
01:38:24.000We want all of you to be able to have these conversations and change minds.
01:38:27.000We want you to be able to do so in a way that's productive.
01:38:29.000You don't, listen, obviously our show is pretty offensive, but we don't want to give, you don't want to give the left an excuse just by being a dick and not being able to substantiate it.
01:38:39.000That's why we're out here, is to make sure that you guys don't feel alone.
01:38:42.000To make sure that you guys don't feel afraid.
01:38:44.000And if you see people like us, if you see us get banned from Twitter, if you see us get banned from YouTube, if you see us not able to be able to visit campus, I know.
01:39:28.000None of them do. No one has a corner on being afraid.
01:39:30.000No one has a corner on having a tough life.
01:39:32.000Listen, Black Lives Matter coming out and talking about systemic discrimination.
01:39:35.000I get that this guy might have had a bad encounter, but are you going to tell me that just because of the melanin in his skin, his experience was worse than a guy who came in out of the military from an abusive alcoholic father who was suicidal with PTSD, felt so alone he was close to blowing his brains out, and then what helped him was watching a show with Not Gay Jared and I dressed up like Swedish twins.
01:39:56.000That should tell you how afraid people are right now out there.
01:39:59.000And the reason we do this, the reason we came here and showed up, and like I said, I know it's not ideal, we really wanted to put on something else for you guys, is just because I want you all to understand that you don't have to be afraid.
01:40:11.000There are a lot of things to be afraid of.
01:40:19.000There's a movement right now, and I've been around for a long time, there's a movement afoot that I have not seen since I've been involved, since I've been alive.
01:40:26.000This is an opportunity right now, and everyone, look at this, this would have not happened five years ago.
01:40:30.000This would have not happened right after Barack Obama was elected.
01:40:33.000And not only did it happen, it happened without riots, it happened without looting, and it happened where we actually seated people down, and you were more polite to them than they were to you, even though you watch a show that has people like Tranny Bain and my half-Asian lawyer telling Twitter to go f**k themselves.
01:40:47.000You can have fun and you can still be productive.