00:11:33.000You're playing baseball with your childhood friend, only for the ball to go over the fence line and find out there's a monstrous canine living on the other side.
00:11:41.000You find out the monsters in your closet are not only real, but a portal to another dimension.
00:11:47.000Your favorite childhood toys come to life.
00:11:50.000You were left alone at home by your family for Christmas the second time, only this time it's in New York.
00:11:57.000Your bitch ass wife surprises you with a divorce, and she gets sold custody.
00:12:02.000So, you find yourself in the undesirable situation of having to cross dress to pretend you are, in fact, a qualified babysitter just to spend time with your kids.
00:12:28.000Someone should have thought this could go wrong.
00:12:30.000You discover an old board game with your childhood friend, then all of a sudden, The whole jungle comes to life, and it's in your living room?
00:12:38.000Listen, I can't keep my team on overtime.
00:14:34.000You stay in reality, and I show you exactly what it is, how much, the benefits of each clinical ingredient with a certificate of analysis so you can confirm it yourself.
00:16:33.000You see, I was over by the bar back there, and I said, now there's a young man who could be of great assistance accompanying me back to my hotel.
00:16:41.000Well, as much as that is flattering, no.
00:17:12.000A young man like you could learn a thing or two from me, having a man like me show you the ropes.
00:17:17.000Why don't we just skip this whole charade?
00:17:19.000Stop wasting everyone's time as you accompany me to my car.
00:17:23.000That seems at the very least mildly inappropriate for a lunchtime.
00:17:28.000I've always loathed the barricade of age.
00:17:31.000Unfortunately, it's one of this world's greatest ironies that those guarding the most valuable treasure. Don't understand their true worth.
00:17:38.000Now, Ben, I of course misspoke when I called you a boy.
00:17:41.000Obviously, you're a young man, and I think it's one of this country's greatest injustices that a strapping young lad like you, just a few mere years shy of a driver's license, can't so much as enjoy a simple beer with his friends or some of this earth's more fleshly pleasures.
00:17:58.000Wait, do you, uh, do you think I'm a boy?
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00:22:43.000Now, Nick Fuentes is going to be on the show here in the next few minutes, as I understand it.
00:22:49.000So you guys let me know when we have him on.
00:22:51.000And yeah, the best place, Toolman, so people know where Nick Fuentes' show and channel is.
00:23:34.000These, There are many people out there who have platforms, who have influence, and it's important to engage in a form of ideas.
00:23:39.000And right now, it's very clear that Nick Fuentes and I disagree on a strategy moving forward, particularly as it relates to midterms, the future of the country, general elections.
00:23:49.000So it's more of a political discussion, but I think we'll probably get into cultural, the social ramifications.
00:23:55.000And, you know, a lot of people want me to hate Nick Fuentes.
00:23:58.000First off, I don't really hate anybody, to be clear.
00:24:01.000It's hard to hate a kid who shows up and he's funny.
00:26:08.000And you fully have permission, by the way, to respectfully be disrespectful.
00:26:10.000I think, you know, there's enough rapport.
00:26:11.000You can call me names, whatever that is.
00:26:13.000Treat me like a buddy, you know, like a buddy who's assy kicking the locker room.
00:26:17.000Now, speaking of which, I did want to show you, like, I don't know if you saw our coverage of you rightfully shoving that lady who showed up to your house, but I have that clip.
00:26:28.000On a loop on my computer, like a morphine drip, just because of how much I enjoy it.
00:26:34.000For people who haven't seen it, you were well within.
00:26:36.000And were you surprised at the level of defense you got, even from detractors who didn't like you?
00:26:42.000It was on the front page of Reddit, and all the Redditors were defending me, too.
00:26:45.000So, yeah, I thought it was going to be a little bit more maybe negative or maybe even split, but it was almost like 90% of people said I was in the right.
00:28:58.000I'm glad to see that, you know, you got some support.
00:29:00.000And even though we just, if we disagree on some things, it is dangerous out there.
00:29:04.000I think, would we agree on this, that definitely the left as a whole is violent and those who have achieved power in our institutions, namely academia, Media, big tech, the entertainment industry.
00:29:17.000We could use, I know that you probably would point out Jewry as well.
00:29:22.000But enemies of America that I think we both want, that kind of America, have seized significant power in the institutions in our country, and they are a threat.
00:30:47.000They haven't delivered on any of the promises that they've made.
00:30:50.000Americans are feeling this right now, particularly young Americans in this economy.
00:30:54.000They feel as though they're not represented and they're being sold out to big corporate interests.
00:30:58.000Including, by the way, a foreign nation like Israel, placing that above the interests of American citizens.
00:31:04.000And so we need to speak the only language they understand, which is defeat, make it sting in the midterms, vote Democrat in 2026 so that it will pave the way or allow for a candidate who more effectively represents America first or a true version of their constituency.
00:31:22.000Yeah, that's a pretty good summary, yes.
00:32:02.000Voting for something worse is always going to be bad.
00:32:04.000If we want Republicans to be better, we should maybe focus on primaries.
00:32:10.000And what's more, Republicans are holding back something far worse, which is always going to come from the Democrats.
00:32:15.000Things like open borders, not only no mass deportations, but also no borders, not only war with Iran, but maybe war with Russia, continuing the war in Ukraine.
00:32:25.000Basically, it only exacerbates our problems, doesn't actually solve them, would be something like I think your position is.
00:33:12.000And I appreciate you being more genuine about that because a lot of people online just throw their hat and they'll keep you with each other.
00:33:17.000So I don't want to do that silly crap today.
00:33:49.000And I really believe that if you vote for Republicans after.
00:33:52.000After that, it's almost like you'll tolerate anything because that's such an explicit betrayal and on a very serious matter.
00:33:59.000And then, what's more, to maybe get into the positive reason for voting Democrat as opposed to withholding your vote or not voting Republican, is I think that when you look at the House of Representatives in particular, and I'd say this on my show, they exercise oversight powers under the Constitution.
00:34:17.000And so they can depose, they can compel the release of documents, they can subpoena, form subcommittees.
00:34:34.000They did try to bury the Epstein files.
00:34:37.000And if it wasn't for the Democrats and a handful of Republicans, they would have never seen the light of day.
00:34:42.000And then you have the war powers resolution in the Senate, which got shut down basically along party lines with one exception, which was John Fetterman.
00:34:49.000And so, and then you have a group of Democrats.
00:34:54.000They put out a letter to the White House asking to disclose Israel's nuclear program.
00:34:59.000So, I would like to see actually Democrats in the.
00:35:02.000Can you repeat that last part, just for people who maybe missed it?
00:35:05.000There was a lot of rapid fire, disclosing the nuclear program.
00:35:08.000Yeah, there was a group of 20 House Democrats.
00:35:11.000They signed a letter to the White House, basically asking the White House to acknowledge that Israel has a nuclear arsenal because they believe, and I think it's correct, that the lack of disclosure about that creates a risk of miscalculation or escalation.
00:35:24.000We don't know where Israel's red line is when they would use a nuke.
00:35:28.000So, these are just like a few examples where I think that it's actually a good thing for Democrats.
00:35:33.000To have a divided government with Republicans and slow down and challenge some of the things that are going on because I think they're not good.
00:35:41.000And then, if you will, do you want to stop there and then get on to the other part?
00:35:44.000Or do you want me to finish with that?
00:35:46.000So let's take all of that, you know, in let's take it in totality.
00:35:50.000First off, I still don't think it's anywhere comparable to the actual progress, the wins that have been made under the Trump administration.
00:35:57.000And also, I don't think that these are things that you couldn't force Republicans to do, for example.
00:36:01.000It's a pretty popular position, at least in my experience with Republicans on this show, to remove this ambiguity, this Unofficial ambiguity as far as Israeli nukes.
00:36:12.000I don't think that it outweighs the mammoth wins, but let's assume that, okay, it's a wash for the sake of this.
00:36:19.000What I really want to know is, okay, so you vote Democrat.
00:36:23.000I think you and I would both acknowledge, because you've said that voting Democrat is a way to punish Republicans, you're not going to get the change in this system with the Democrat Party.
00:37:20.000And so I think the real question is, and this is a huge question, who will be Trump's successor?
00:37:25.000Because that person is going to define the direction of the party.
00:37:28.000And I really believe there should be a very competitive primary for the presidential race in 28.
00:37:34.000And what they're trying to do is consolidate support around either Vance or Rubio.
00:37:39.000As I'm sure you know, behind the scenes, there's a very big fight going on between donors and party personnel.
00:37:46.000Are they going to get behind Rubio, which he seems to have the backing of the neocons and Mark Levin and APAC and Miriam Adelson?
00:37:53.000Are they going to get behind Vance, who has the support of Little Tech, Palantir Tucker, you know, and he's going to clearly run in the more America first lane, at least nominally, he's going to claim that.
00:38:04.000And I think that we should not have consolidation where it's 80% behind one candidate.
00:38:10.000I also don't like either Rubio or Vance because I think you get a neocon or a Palantir guy.
00:38:15.000And so to me, the only way to have an open field is if.
00:38:20.000Everyone associated with the administration is sufficiently weakened.
00:38:24.000So I'm actually rooting for Democrats to degrade and sabotage this administration and the people in it so that they're less politically viable.
00:38:32.000And maybe that clears the way for a dark horse or an outsider, someone from outside the MAGA, Mar a Lago, Trump administration to maybe clinch the nomination in 28.
00:38:43.000And to me, that's really the big picture.
00:39:32.000But the roster, the funds, the ground game, you know, the things that you need to win elections in 2028 through the major risk of handing the country over to Democrats when we know that that means open borders, packing the courts, turning them into citizens, DEI back in the administration, H 1B skyrocketing again, all of that.
00:39:50.000Huge risk, concretes, so we see the payoff.
00:39:54.000See, and this is where you might disagree because I think that's maybe the best argument against it.
00:40:26.000I really believe that without a radical intervention, like a radically different approach, whether we get a Democrat or lesser of two evils Republican, like a continuity with what we have under Trump, I think that's a no win proposition.
00:40:41.000Like if it's Gavin Newsom, JD Vance, or Marco Rubio, if those are our options, and let's say everybody else in the Democratic field, I don't see any of those candidates solving it, fixing it.
00:40:53.000To me, it's really just a question of how fast or how slow it's all going to come crumbling down.
00:40:58.000And so that's the only reason why I say, If we degrade the two people in this administration, it's sort of like we know what we're going to get with them and we know it's not going to be radical enough.
00:41:07.000At least if we tear them down, it's a huge maybe, but then there's an opening that something radical may appear.
00:41:15.000I wouldn't say them, of course, because you know that game about who's going to run and who's going to throw their hat in the ring, and then my endorsement might hurt that person if they're characterized as the groin boss or Caesar or something.
00:41:28.000I mean, we have examples of that right here.
00:41:50.000I actually think it's a requirement, frankly, considering the risk, if we both acknowledge it, the risk is you say something radical could happen.
00:41:57.000With the answer you're giving me now, something radical will happen.
00:42:00.000It's the radical that we experienced from 2020 through 2024.
00:42:04.000So, the radical upside, you do got to give a name.
00:42:08.000You do have to give some finances and a ground game for us to take that risk.
00:42:12.000Because I don't think, and I'll make the case here, I don't think there's an equivalency.
00:42:16.000If you look at the actual record, Nick, when Democrats controlled the Senate, Gave us open borders, record inflation, right, at 9.1%, trillions in new spending.
00:42:24.000They, of course, stopped deportations.
00:42:27.000They put DEI, I mean, they had a Department of Misinformation.
00:42:30.000Trump 2.0 has put us for the first time at net negative immigration, record deportations, over a trillion dollars in cuts, not to mention doing away with DEI in the administration, some huge Supreme Court wins that actually paved the way going forward.
00:42:42.000I mean, H 1Bs are a really big thing, I know, because you ran billboards on them.
00:43:40.000And so it was really Trump's failure to build a border wall.
00:43:43.000And he enforced it through executive orders, which is why Democrats were able to come in and say, oh, we're just going to undo all of that.
00:43:49.000And you might say, well, okay, Trump has another crack at it.
00:45:33.000Again, yeah, you know, I just don't think that's really, you know, when you say, well, they're building hundreds of feet of border wall, that's more than Biden.
00:45:40.000Well, you know, there's a 26% reduction in H 1Bs.
00:45:43.000They hit the Cap, I believe it was $27,000 last year.
00:46:54.000It also, by the way, this is your job, my job as commentators.
00:46:58.000It shifts that Overton window where it's like, hey, we were told that they were bringing in, you know, the Haji Elon Musk or the next Brown Nikolai Tesla.
00:47:06.000Well, $100,000 fee would mean nothing.
00:47:09.000Instead, people now know these were people coming in to undercut Americans as cheap labor.
00:49:12.000And that's where I would say I favor taking the risk of getting something more radical than what we know, which is getting something that won't be anything.
00:49:19.000Well, and I can understand that position if I believe the numbers that you throw.
00:49:22.000Here's the one thing that I do notice, and I don't think that you're a Democrat.
00:49:49.000That flipped the Senate with Kamala Harris as a tiebreaker.
00:49:51.000And precisely because if people had followed, I'm not saying that you're responsible, but if people had followed your prescription in Georgia, that would be the exact reason for 10 to 20 million illegal aliens coming over an open border wall.
00:50:03.000That would be the exact reason for stopping them.
00:50:05.000That would be the exact reason for a doubling in some instances of H 1Bs.
00:50:09.000And I don't think that those changes are mild.
00:50:17.000You do have to include self deportations because there's an incentive for self deportations, and more people are self deporting.
00:50:24.000Next thing, I bet you'll say that Obama or Clinton deported more people.
00:50:27.000We did an entire segment on this because people on the right are saying that, and it's factually not true.
00:50:33.000Well, I never encourage people to vote Democrat in 2022, 2024.
00:50:37.000Only this is the first year I've told people to vote Democrat.
00:50:40.000All those other elections, I told people to sit out selectively or all together.
00:50:46.000But the Georgia Senate runoff, which is, I think, what you're talking about, January 5, 2021, with Leffler and Purdue, you know, this is again, it's like Trump, I think we both agree, got cheated out of that election.
00:51:00.000At the same time, Republicans controlled the state legislature in all the swing states Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, everywhere where that was being adjudicated, Republicans were in control.
00:51:29.000And then I would add on top of that, and maybe this is going to be controversial, I actually don't think Republicans are really all that against illegal immigration.
00:51:37.000I think that Democrats and Republicans maybe wanted the illegals here because there was a significant labor shortage after the pandemic ended.
00:51:46.000People were slow to return to work, they were being paid too much.
00:51:49.000And, you know, so you could say, like, If only Republicans had won, then there wouldn't be 10 to 20 million illegal voters in the country.
00:51:55.000Well, what numbers do you have to back that up?
00:52:14.000No, you said sit out or vote Democrat.
00:52:15.000In 2020, you did not say vote Democrat.
00:52:17.000You said we're going to destroy the GOP and to sit out the runoff in Georgia, which is exactly what flipped the Senate, which is exactly what opened the borders and stopped the border wall and led to the woke.
00:52:25.000Fucking nightmare that we dealt with, right?
00:52:27.000Because if people had gone out, okay, go ahead.
00:53:29.000Was it for the same reason that it was completely paused after the 2020 midterms?
00:53:33.000In other words, you say Republicans, do you mean.
00:53:35.000Democrats, and so they said the perfect is the enemy of the good, and they got done what they could get done at that time.
00:53:41.000It would be like people in the future saying, he didn't do anything about H 1B visa extensions.
00:53:45.000Well, sure, because he can't, it'll be blocked 100% by Democrats, maybe 10 to 15, 20% Republicans, but he used the most potent tool at his disposal, right?
00:53:54.000So you put all this in the same basket.
00:54:00.000And in many cases, they weren't able to, especially because you told people to sit out.
00:54:04.000When you look at what they've been able to do, I don't think these are minute differences.
00:54:08.000We've both agreed these are the most rightward shifts that we've seen in American policy in modern American history, which brings us back to the risk.
00:54:14.000I think we both agree the risk of the left, right?
00:54:17.000You've not had any ill conceived delusions that this is not a risky play.
00:54:22.000And I appreciate that you're straightforward about that, right?
00:54:24.000You're not like, at all, this is going to be great.
00:54:31.000If I'm going to take this risk, because I think that a 99% reduction in border crossings is significant, 87% H 1Bs, I think the Supreme Court cases are significant.
00:54:41.000I think, you know, dozens, hundreds of feet of the wall being built is significant, whatever it is.
00:54:46.000I think it's significant, but I'm willing to take the risk.
00:54:49.000This plan will be effective because I need you to walk me through the end of the plan as opposed to hopefully these magic candidates will show up and then you're going to deal with the donor class again and the ground game again.
00:57:04.000When you have people that are running for president, they don't say they're not going to make an announcement until they're ready to make an announcement.
00:57:10.000But usually these people who are developing Republican strategies aren't telling people to vote Democrat in the midterm, right?
00:58:10.000I think to say that it's net negative migration, you have to count self deportations.
00:58:14.000I've seen a lot of different, and I think those are being overcounted because they took this number from the community survey from the census, which was taken last year.
00:58:24.000And they basically, there are 65,000 households polled.
00:58:27.000And they basically said, well, there was a lack of response.
00:58:30.000From like non residents, non citizens of the United States.
00:58:34.000And then they use that to extrapolate, well, what was the number?
00:58:39.000One and a half million people left the country.
00:58:41.000And then later, by the way, that data got corrected.
00:58:44.000It was in CIS, Confederation for Immigration, something or other, Center for Immigration Studies.
00:58:51.000They actually corrected the number with the new 2026 data and said, no, actually, we vastly overestimated how many illegals we thought left the country.
00:59:00.000So, in other words, they're not, the government keeps track of how many people self deport.
00:59:51.000It's actually one that's not even being argued because the left is using it as an argument as part of their campaign that, hey, isn't this horrible for immigrants?
00:59:58.000But okay, let's dispute that one number and just let's even say that it's just one source.
01:00:03.000I would present them and I'll make this stuff publicly available.
01:00:53.000You look at, I mean, obviously energy independence.
01:00:55.000I know we're going through the war right now, but if you actually look at what we're able to produce in comparison to the Green New Deal, in comparison to pausing leases, this is going to have a serious effect for Americans.
01:01:04.000H 1Bs, 87% reduction in new ones, DEI in the federal government.
01:01:08.000You know, if Democrats get the risk too, we won't be able to have this conversation.
01:01:41.000Well, here's what I would say to that.
01:01:43.000I think that every election, the Republican side basically overstates what the Republicans are doing for us.
01:01:50.000And then I think they exacerbate or overstate the risk of Democrats.
01:01:54.000This whole like, they're going to pack the courts and make Puerto Rico a state.
01:01:58.000It's like, Well, they didn't do that under Biden.
01:02:00.000I don't think they're going to do that this time.
01:02:01.000And if you believe that they did, why aren't we using the nuclear option?
01:02:06.000If you really thought Democrats were going to break precedent, pack the courts, make Puerto Rico a state, do this and that, okay, then it's life or death.
01:02:15.000Then use the nuclear option, okay, and pass the Save Act so that, you know, we could get all these Democrats off the voter rolls and so that we could break the law jam on DHS and get them their money and do the deportations.
01:02:28.000But it's like, you know, Republicans will act like it's, Life or death, most important election.
01:02:32.000But then when it comes to nuclear option, they go, oh, we can't do that.
01:02:35.000Oh, well, we can't do the deportation.
01:02:37.000Oh, well, you know, this is the best we could do.
01:02:38.000And it's like, okay, so somebody's not telling the truth here.
01:02:42.000And I don't think it's you, but I think it's us.
01:03:05.000It's just executive order, two genders.
01:03:07.000I don't really care downsizing the federal government by hundreds of thousands.
01:03:10.000I don't really care that housing prices and rent prices are at multi year lows.
01:03:13.000Those things don't matter because it's not enough when we know that the Democrats will obviously, and this is their plan, they didn't say that we're going to make Puerto Rico a state and pack the court to 13 last time.
01:03:23.000What they did say is that they were going to go a different direction on immigration, and we got, by our agreement, 10 to 20 million in three and a half years.
01:06:05.000The donor class, who you need to reckon with the donor class as part of your prescription, they immediately go to the most moderate candidate who they think is winnable.
01:06:16.000So, for example, just using some like after Goldwater, they decided to go with the more moderate Nixon.
01:06:23.000If you look at what happened after George Bush, McCain, and then you even look at examples like the Tea Party swinging further right, and then I'm going, oh my gosh, you know what?
01:06:30.000We need someone moderate to win the general.
01:06:32.000So, what you're doing historically, with pretty much no exception, is guaranteeing the next John McCain or Mitt Romney.
01:07:45.000And to me, it's like, okay, 10 years after Trump defeated Rubio, New American Century, Mary Madelson's puppet, I think Trump literally said at AIPAC or the Republican Jewish Coalition, he said, you want Rubio because he's your puppet and he'll do whatever you want because he takes your money.
01:08:27.000So I'm asking you, and that's what I don't want.
01:08:29.000That's a big fear of mine, by the way.
01:08:31.000I don't like, I'm not all in on Rubio or Vance, but I would like to not see someone worse, to not see someone more moderate, to not see a Romney or McCain.
01:08:41.000That's what we'd be looking at if there's a big Democrat win.
01:08:44.000You just made my point with Trump, right?
01:08:45.000He was able to because of 2014 Republican.
01:08:48.000He probably wouldn't have been able to if you were looking at a Republican loss.
01:08:54.000But you had a Democrat incumbent or a Democrat leaving office, which was Obama.
01:09:00.000Here's the dynamic the way that I see it Democrats win in 2026, and they're going to sabotage this administration because they're going to impeach Trump.
01:09:10.000They're going to investigate everybody, and they're going to find embezzlement, corruption.
01:09:14.000There's some problems in this administration, or at least there's a lot of smoke, let's say, around Howard Lutnick and some of the crypto stuff.
01:09:22.000And there's a lot that I would even like to see investigated.
01:09:25.000And So, everybody in the administration is going to be hurt by this, Rubio and Vance included.
01:09:31.000That weakens them ahead of the primary.
01:09:33.000If they are toxically associated with the administration, which is failing, failing more under Democrats than to me, that provides an opening for somebody fresh from the outside that says, I'm sort of repudiating Trump's legacy, or maybe even I have some allegiance to Trump's original message in 2016.
01:09:51.000You know, maybe I'm going to save Trumpism from itself or where it went astray.
01:09:55.000That's kind of, you know, I don't think we need to get into like Barry Goldwater.
01:11:06.000And by association, everybody else is weaker Rubio, Vance.
01:11:09.000Because, again, they're going to dredge up all this stuff, and you're not going to be able to run from that because they're going to haul people before the House.
01:11:39.000If you want to predicate it on Democrat numbers, that we don't have deportations or enough, but at least we have some versus mass importations.
01:11:46.000And I certainly would say, if you looked at the matter of record, that even from left leaning think tanks, institutes, that we are seeing record deportations.
01:11:52.000We have a net negative migration country.
01:11:53.000Never thought would happen in our lifetime.
01:11:54.000Nobody actually disputes that except for you.
01:13:30.000Because you said last time you were on the show.
01:13:32.000Because last time on the show, you said, well, who cares about illegal immigration?
01:13:35.000You accepted the premise because if they're replacing you legally, and you've run billboards on that, and it's the single biggest strides that have ever been made in our lifetime.
01:13:43.000That sounds to me like an excuse, Nick.
01:13:45.000They said mass deportations, not net negative migration.
01:13:49.000They said mass deportations, largest deportation in history.
01:13:53.000And by the way, there's people in DHS, they're reaching out to this.
01:13:57.000Mass deportations project, this mass deportation coalition, because Trump is holding it back.
01:14:03.000Trump has been convinced by Brook Rollins that we can't deport people from farms.
01:14:08.000And he's being convinced by Wall Street that we can't deport a lot of people in general from the labor force because it's going to put upward pressure on prices.
01:14:45.000We're focusing on violent offenders, violent criminals.
01:14:48.000There's all this consternation in the White House saying, Oh, Trump is being convinced to approve all these seasonal farm workers.
01:14:54.000He's being convinced not to do the deportations, only focus on criminals, which, by the way, that's kind of like what Biden was doing, picking people up at prisons that murdered people.
01:16:51.000I guess that would be one of the administrations.
01:16:52.000He's someone we've had on the show a couple times.
01:16:54.000He just said, You know, well, of course, we're going after violent criminals, but what are we going to do if we run into someone who's not violent?
01:17:07.000I mean, you can say it's better than Obama, but have we been fighting for 10 years for all of this for, like, well, we're deporting more people than Obama after they let in 20 million people?
01:18:58.000Okay, let's say it could be much better.
01:19:00.000It's funny they use a meat processing plant because we saw an exact example in, I believe it was Omaha, Nebraska, where then there were Americans lined up when a bunch of people had been raided and people had been raided.
01:20:08.000We built how many hundreds of miles in the first term and how many times was it being gridlocked by the Democrats who used to be the ones to vote for?
01:22:03.000Well, let's just reframe the deal a little bit, okay?
01:22:07.000Because here's the real deal Republicans say we're going to build a wall, and a wall, they said, Trump said 30 foot concrete structure, 2,000 miles of wall.
01:22:17.000That was the proposal in January 2018.
01:22:46.000Then you want to say, well, they cut $800 billion in Medicaid to pay for a permanent cut in the corporate tax rate, and they want a $1.5 trillion military for this year alone.
01:22:56.000And we have a war in Iran that's costing us 50, maybe $100 billion when all is said and done, not to mention the gas prices.
01:23:03.000So it's like, you know, we're promised all these things.
01:23:54.000No, well, first off, I'm familiar with that New York Times article that they cited 500,000, and that's not including self deportations, which is the vast majority of them.
01:24:09.000That's still very different from 10 to 20 million in the span of three years, which you guaranteed will get.
01:24:15.000Let's assume you don't believe the Democrats clearly laid out plan of packing the courts, of undoing all the decisions, of making Puerto Rico a state, of redistricting.
01:24:24.000Let's assume you don't believe any of that.
01:24:25.000Would we both agree for sure, if Democrats attain power, another 10 to 20 million illegals in that term?
01:25:49.000It's just that there would be two ways to remedy that.
01:25:51.000I mean, if you had a real labor shortage, what was happening is that all these companies were just increasing their wages.
01:25:56.000And I remember you drive down the street and you'd see a window in McDonald's and it would say $25 an hour, stipend for tuition, blah, blah, blah, you know, because they wanted to incentivize Americans to return to the labor force.
01:26:08.000And so, you know, how do you remedy the shortage?
01:26:10.000You could raise the wages or you could open up the borders.
01:26:39.000Do you believe that Democrats had a proactive approach to replacing Americans with third worlders in order to change the demographics and gain votes?
01:26:50.000I think, yes, but, and this is what I think maybe you might miss as more loyal to the Republicans is that the business interests play, which are Republican, play a profound role in opening up the borders.
01:27:03.000I mean, it's the 1990 Immigration Act, actually, which is what created all these programs, increased the amount of immigrants coming in, and that was lobbied for by the Chamber of Commerce under George Bush because the business interests wanted the labor.
01:27:17.000So I think there's a two part thing where Democrats, you're right, they want the demographic change, refugees welcome, blah, blah, blah.
01:27:24.000But it's the Republicans in agriculture and hospitality on Wall Street.
01:27:28.000They want the cheap labor too for economic reasons.
01:27:31.000So, you know, you can't say it's all Democrats and not Republicans.
01:27:35.000Well, no, what I would say is it's no, and I wouldn't say that.
01:27:52.000And then I think some Republicans, people like Bush included, By the way, Reagan really screwed up when you're talking about immigration, as far as business interests or this idea that, right, well, it'll sort itself out through the free market.
01:28:12.000For the first time, there's been a stark contrast.
01:28:16.000But I do think the primary problem is exactly what you've said in the past.
01:28:18.000The left absolutely wants to replace you with a demographic that is easier to manipulate, put on the public dole, grant citizenship, and gain votes.
01:28:25.000And they did it to the tune of 10 to 20 million.
01:28:31.000What happened is they created the labor shortage, whether it's rent forgiveness, student loan forgiveness, the subsidies, the COVID relief that was going out, knowing that Americans would go back into the workforce more slowly.
01:28:41.000Wages were going up, and instead they brought in massive, not only illegal immigrants, but the same reason you ran billboards, H 1Bs, that forever, or forever, for certainly their tenure, and would be forever if not reversed, suppress American wages.
01:28:57.000I know you said that immigration doesn't matter to you anymore, and I think you were being hyperbolic, but that is to me.
01:29:02.000Enough of a contrast when I understand the replacement of Americans because we won't have an America anymore.
01:29:09.000Well, you know, to address that comment, I said that in the context of I think that immigration is one of these issues that has always dangled in front of us out of reach.
01:29:19.000And they've been, Republicans have been playing this game for 40 years.
01:29:22.000And it's like you pointed out, even Reagan, we're going to give 3 million amnesty and then we're going to close the border.
01:30:24.000So, for example, whether you agree or disagree with the war in Iran, people saying, like, it's a war crime for any president to carry out a military action.
01:30:31.000Like, no, we both know that the president has much broader powers as it relates to issues of national security.
01:30:36.000That's also why he has much broader powers in dealing with H 1Bs coming in or specifically policy as it relates to people entering the country.
01:30:43.000The president doesn't have these broad powers to guarantee funding for a wall, right?
01:30:57.000Whenever he can, like you said, wherever he can through executive order or presidential powers, he's used his most potent tools and he's been gridlocked by the party you tell people to vote for and some, not all, but too many Republicans.
01:31:10.000So my approach is back to Steele Manning.
01:31:13.000I think you're better off, and historically it's irrefutable.
01:31:16.000You're better off working within the party that has a voting base that wants something done with immigration to hold them accountable, the primary process.
01:31:22.000We've actually affected that directly here.
01:31:48.000No, I see when you say destruction and all this, let's be very clear.
01:31:52.000In 2026, if Democrats win, you're going to have a divided government.
01:31:57.000So I think actually the damage is going to be mitigated in the sense that you'll have a Republican Senate most likely, you'll have Trump in the White House, the Democrats will have the House, and they'll just exercise their oversight power.
01:32:07.000So as far as destruction is concerned, I think it's relatively contained.
01:32:11.000And because, and maybe this is like a good clarifier, if it was 2028, And it's going to be.
01:32:18.000I don't want Democrats to run the table.
01:32:20.000I don't want a Democrat to be the president at all.
01:32:22.000I don't want Democrats to control Congress.
01:32:25.000I think that this is the punch in the face that Republicans need so that in 28, we can be more competitive.
01:35:01.000He had like a few guys just started doing rallies, self funded some money in the very beginning, went on the debate stage, and then it just was off to the races.
01:36:18.000If it's Vivek and another guy, you need the Groyper guy to get 50% of the votes in Ohio.
01:36:25.000And Groyper's are all like young white men, very engaged, very online, maybe punched disproportionately outside their weight class, but it's a small contingent.
01:36:34.000So we're not going to get 50% of the Republicans in Ohio in a two way race.
01:36:38.000But if it's a Democrat versus a Republican, let's say it's 50 50 neck and neck.
01:36:42.000If we could push it 1% or 3%, we can flip it.
01:39:02.000However, if we accept him, does that not send a message to the GOP that we're accepting this little tech?
01:39:09.000Because Vivek is involved with all these people, went to Yale Law School with Vance.
01:39:14.000They're looking at opening up this Andoril factory in Ohio, making the push for these government contracts.
01:39:20.000Like you're sending a message that the post Trump GOP is going to be shaped by people like Vivek, which is decidedly, I mean, he's basically against everything that Trump ran on in 16.
01:39:30.000Because Trump runs in 16 saying, The reason this country is dying is because the globalists sold us out on trade, immigration, foreign policy.
01:39:39.000Vivek is saying, no, this country's failing because you're lazy and you did too many sleepovers and you went to prom and you watched Save by the Bell.
01:39:46.000And it's like, you're blaming Americans for policy decisions.
01:39:49.000Nick, you're talking to the wrong guy.
01:41:54.000Now, I thought we made some progress with people like Trump, with people like Brennan Herrera, with people like Ken Paxson, where I was like, this is some momentum, right?
01:42:44.000It's like, to me, those are unacceptable.
01:42:46.000So I want to hurt them as much as I can, burn the boats, and open up a space for someone else.
01:42:52.000And you're right, there's no concretes, but.
01:42:54.000We have to allow for the possibility that that will happen.
01:42:58.000Yeah, I think in the face of allowing for a possibility when guaranteed we will have open borders, the courts will be packed, and we lose our country.
01:43:05.000So, in other words, on one hand, we guaranteed lose the country.
01:43:33.000Like, how long did it take for the left to completely control academia, media, the entertainment industry?
01:43:40.000Like, you're talking about anywhere from 90 to big tech outside of when they saw the writing on the wall in the last election, right?
01:43:45.000We know these people are not conservatives.
01:43:48.000I mean, I would say, okay, started in the 1930s, accelerated through the 60s, meaning the encroachment, the seizing of institutions, the change from the left has been consistent, it's been incremental, it's been subversive.
01:44:00.000And I bet you they're saying, thank God we didn't blow it all up.
01:44:04.000Wouldn't the change, the revolution for the positive, even though it's accelerated at a much more rapid rate than that, wouldn't we need to accept that change is incremental as well?
01:44:13.000Because we bitch about their power over institutions, but don't seem to have the spine to play the long game and to fight the war of attrition.
01:44:22.000I see, I would be inclined to believe that.
01:44:25.000However, I think that, you know, how long has it been, honestly?
01:44:31.000You know, I mean, where do you want to start the timer?
01:44:34.000Is it when Trump won the election in 16 or is it 2000 or is it, you know, 1990?
01:44:39.000I mean, where do you want to draw the line exactly?
01:44:41.000Because I'm talking about the left being very unified.
01:46:40.000The point now is to continue to accelerate their descent into irrelevancy because now there are ways to sidestep it.
01:46:47.000Just, we need to accelerate the irrelevancy of a degree from an Ivy League school.
01:46:51.000So those institutions are no longer relevant.
01:46:53.000We need to accelerate the irrelevancy, for example, of And we're already seeing it, but ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, we see it with you getting bigger numbers than whoever the hell, Brian Stelter, completely straight on CNN right now.
01:47:04.000It's a slow walk, and now these are rapid accelerations and overtaking cultural ground.
01:47:10.000That's why you're as influential as you are.
01:47:12.000That's why we're able to have this conversation.
01:47:14.000It's not a small thing, but there does need to be some unity in a common enemy, and that's why I started this with is it the left, those who hate America?
01:47:36.000I think that the right is not really putting up a real fight with the left.
01:47:40.000I actually don't even know that there's a huge distinction between the right and the left.
01:47:44.000And I know you disagree with that and you think there's like a big difference, but I think that they've kind of been holding hands, walking us down the same path for a very long time, which is in terms of the big picture it's free trade, it's the foreign wars, it's the mass migration.
01:48:48.000The very fact that people are saying, hey, the American dream is out of reach is because they've realized that they've been sold a false bill of goods through these institutions, right?
01:49:13.000I think you look at the GOP now, they're religiously pluralistic.
01:49:16.000You know, they have all these like Hindus involved, like Charlie Kirk wanted to call it ethical monotheism is like the new credo, so we can incorporate all these other traditions.
01:49:25.000You have the Trump administration's pro IVF.
01:49:34.000Now they don't want to do anything more about it.
01:49:36.000And then even with the transgenders, it's like to me, that's the furthest, most extreme reach, and they're barely able to draw a line on that.
01:50:21.000Yeah, I mean, that is a turn on everything.
01:50:23.000It's not everything, but it is the single biggest, most impactful policy on abortion, which, by the way, we all assumed was a foregone conclusion in a degenerate society.
01:50:33.000It came as a shock, and it was such a shock, the left rallied behind it, right?
01:50:38.000Can we just, like, you can't skim past that?
01:50:41.000It's not perfect, but that's a huge change.
01:50:44.000I mean, to me, it's not a question of perfect.
01:50:46.000It's just when you look at the overall climate, like, is this Republican Party asking?
01:50:56.000I think young people are absolutely more Christian receptive.
01:50:59.000And when you look at church attendance, particularly in more traditional denominations like Catholicism and Orthodox, I know people will argue that they're not growing as fast, but they are growing quite a bit, especially among young men.
01:51:23.000This idea was just women's choice, my body, and you had to sidestep it and say, well, if there's, there was no thought that Roe v. Wade would actually be overturned.
01:51:34.000So, yeah, I would argue that certainly with younger people, they are significantly more Christian than even those who used to, it used to be a libertarian thing.
01:51:42.000Like it used to be a Tucker Carlson lookalike convention at CPAC stuff.
01:51:46.000This is pre fly fishing Tucker, you know, bowtie Tucker era.
01:51:50.000So, yeah, I think with young people, they're definitely more, if not Christian, but Christian receptive.
01:52:02.000As you sort of look at his glass half full, like, well, at least we got row, and at least we're trying to do these things, and hey, it's incremental and it takes time.
01:52:10.000And me, I feel like we're staring down the barrel of a gun where it's like, we're about to become a minority as white people.
01:52:15.000The immigration thing, it's already kind of been done to us.
01:52:19.000We need something radical and urgent because otherwise it's going to be a slow descent, and that's not a victory.
01:52:37.000You're still going to run into 100% of the Democrat Party opposing it, and you're still always going to have some Republicans who are useless.
01:53:36.000Well, also when people vote on immigration, when people vote on the economy and they run on those.
01:53:40.000Platforms, they are held accountable to those platforms.
01:53:42.000You said they care about the platform of immigration, which was the big issue this time.
01:53:47.000The first election, it was entirely about the economy.
01:53:49.000So if you want to say, okay, record low inflation where we actually saw employment come back, onshoring jobs, that's nothing, you can say it, but be honest with people and say that doesn't mean anything to you, just like immigration doesn't mean anything to you now.
01:55:06.000I want a more conservative Republican Party.
01:55:08.000But I also look and go, okay, Rubio, for example, so you mentioned the Christian thing, standing up, creating a video singularly about returning to Christian roots.
01:55:15.000For Day of Prayer, citing One Nation Under.
01:56:34.000And I said, like, look, Immigration is something that they're always baiting us with and they never do anything about.
01:56:40.000And then when they do the bare minimum, they say, well, it's better than nothing.
01:56:44.000And you go, well, I don't, I mean, theoretically, yeah, but if it doesn't meaningfully change anything, then it's not worth sacrificing other issues.
01:57:17.000And by the way, I think there, last time you were on the show, you said, like, we might be more aligned on the initial strikes in Iran than I would think.
01:57:27.000And again, I'll make the numbers available because even the one you said with the New York Times, they're not as much as I would like to be, but it's different from 10 to 20 million illegals.
01:57:35.000I still would ask you the same question, right?
01:57:41.000For me to vote Democrat, let me, okay, let me try it another way, okay, because I want to make sure that we're aligned on what we want.
01:57:47.000All right, let's say I'm a candidate, and I don't want to say your district because I don't want another angry old Jew lady to show up, but you know, general Illinois ish.
01:58:30.000We're going to incentivize companies that are onshoring.
01:58:32.000We're going to codify these taxes into law.
01:58:34.000We're going to try and do this to remove the effects that are suppressing your wages as a young American so you don't see what the Democrats would have, which is a 20 plus percent unemployment rate.
01:59:34.000We're going to cut Medicaid to pay for a corporate tax rate, but that's okay because we're going to allocate $190 billion to fund DHS in perpetuity, $90 billion for ICE, $20 billion for a border wall.
01:59:44.000But they're, it's not that they can't do it, they won't do it.
01:59:48.000And CBP didn't even shut down when the Democrats shut down DHS because they were funded through the next five years from the BBB from last year in June.
01:59:57.000But they're not doing it because they don't want to get rid of the farmers.
02:00:00.000They don't want to get rid of this, that, because the donors don't want them to.
02:00:03.000They don't want to build a wall for reasons like Trump can't get his favorite companies to get the contract, so they're just giving up.
02:00:47.000You're saying the person is a they will come.
02:00:49.000And how is give me the exact rhetoric that I've rejected because I've said it's nothing but broken promises and dismissed all of it.
02:00:55.000I don't think there's any world in which any candidate would fit the bill.
02:01:00.000And I don't think there's any world, frankly, Nick, in which.
02:01:02.000You or have a ground game, the finances to go up against the donor class, to go up against, frankly, the fact that when Democrats attain power, you're going to be looking at a moderate Republican because then people's perceptions and their priorities shift toward winning.
02:01:43.000They are a part of this administration.
02:01:45.000It's going to be an extension of this administration.
02:01:48.000And these past two administrations under Trump have been objectively a failure.
02:01:52.000As far as I'm concerned, there's literally no other option other than to burn this down and hope that something else will be there because this ain't going to work.
02:02:01.000And, you know, you can say all that, but it's like if Donald Trump running in 24, if he can't get mass deportation, If he can't build the wall, if he can't keep us out of war with Iran, how is Rubio and Vance going to be any better?
02:03:22.000So, everything, every single number from think tank, from these departments, whether it's DHS, also people who have a vested interest in harming Donald Trump, you have simply dismissed them as fake or not real while presenting the idea of destruction being the only solution.
02:03:38.000First of all, that half million number from the New York Times, I already told you that's 230,000 removals, and the other half million are arrests.
02:03:45.000Those are not people that have been deported.
02:04:15.000If ICE is so proud of the job they've done, then why has ICE not published the numbers that they're mandated to put out semi monthly since December 2024 if they're so proud?
02:04:28.000Why has ICE not published those numbers if they're so great?
02:04:30.000Because they have them, they won't publish them.
02:04:34.000ICE has published numbers, and I know that they've made some changes to that for the same reason that we see.
02:04:38.000By the way, you're not going to get an argument from me that we get consistent number tracking.
02:04:42.000For example, these numbers of native born versus foreign born get changed, and particularly with a very high turbulence issue like immigration, those numbers get misreported, they get revised.
02:04:50.000That's why we also rely on secondary sources.
02:04:53.000For example, your New York Times source, for example, the Brookings Institute, for example, Washington Post.
02:04:57.000But you go, I don't like that one, and you cherry pick it.
02:05:03.000I don't like the community survey from the census where they survey 65,000 households.
02:05:07.000It could very easily be a response bias.
02:05:10.000You know, if illegals are not responding to the survey, okay.
02:05:13.000And by the way, they revised the data down.
02:05:16.000No, but the New York Times is actually going into internal data, not public data that ICE releases, but internal data, and that is their estimate.
02:05:26.000So if ICE were proud of the Washington Post with 1,300 miles of border wall currently under construction.
02:05:32.000But they're using the data available to them.
02:05:44.000Look, I always take it with a grain of salt.
02:05:45.000That's why I provide two or three sources.
02:05:47.000I think the totality is there's a very different picture.
02:05:50.000And I think many people would say there's a very different picture on immigration, on net positive, negative immigration, H 1Bs, on the border wall.
02:06:00.000I think that contrast is pretty stark.
02:06:02.000And again, voting for Democrat, where we know where they line up.
02:06:06.000Is a very tough sell with the person will appear.
02:06:14.000It ends up being what you did in 2020, 2022, where you said sit it out or, you know, vote third party, or in most cases, I know sit it out.
02:06:39.000Putting something together more concrete so that those on the right could work in tandem to accomplish something like the left has done over the course of decades.
02:06:51.000Like I told you, that comes together during when someone is ready to announce, they will announce.
02:07:53.000Like most of the party, the money, the leadership, the cadre will fall in line behind one or the other.
02:07:59.000And you're going to get a very tiny field where one guy's going to be the dominant favorite and there won't be a competition.
02:08:06.000In my mind, that means, like, just in terms of logic, the only way that anyone's going to stand a chance is if they are sufficiently weakened by being tied to this toxic administration, if the administration fails and is sabotaged.
02:08:19.000And so it's just about creating a possibility for another choice.
02:08:23.000That's the most simple way that I can make it.
02:08:26.000Yeah, it's about, like you said, sabotaging the Trump administration in order to create the possibility.
02:08:32.000And like you said, they need to go into an election weaker, which means the country would be in a worse off place.
02:08:37.000So put the country in a worse off place, sabotage the America First administration in order for the person who will appear who will be better.
02:09:39.000I said, I'm repeating back to you what you said.
02:09:41.000This administration needs to be sabotaged.
02:09:43.000You've said that you want to see President Trump impeached, you want to see him hamstrung, and the nation needs to be worse off so that someone will appear who will save it.
02:10:14.000You want this country to be in a worse place in this administration, Democrats to be stronger, so that, and I would go along with it if I understood it, so that someone will appear is not enough.
02:10:25.000Because I think you're going to run into the same problem that you run into with Dan Belzer.
02:10:28.000And you're really upset about the purity test, saying we don't all have to think the same thing.
02:10:32.000And I don't think there's any candidate who would be able to pass yours.
02:11:11.000So, you mean you think it'll just be painful that you think that Democrats will just be painful for the Trump administration, not for the American people?
02:11:26.000I think that when Democrats, I think especially when you look at their plan, I think when they attain power, I think also what we've lived through underneath them, including sometimes just having control of the House.
02:12:00.000Not necessarily, but as a historical trend, the president would be the likelihood of Democrats winning a general if they win those midterms is quite higher than 50%.
02:12:10.000Maybe it's 52, but it's not a small risk.
02:12:26.000And I certainly understand the criticism of them.
02:12:28.000I certainly don't want Democrats to have the House and White House.
02:12:30.000And I think that's a more, it's a stronger likelihood than not.
02:12:35.000And that to me is just a bridge that I absolutely wouldn't be able to cross.
02:12:40.000But I do appreciate you laying this out.
02:12:42.000And by the way, I do, again, I was there at the Tea Party.
02:12:45.000I think you were younger than the Tea Party there.
02:12:47.000I know now it's like, oh, the Tea Party is a corny name, but the Rick Santelli rant where everyone was saying socialism about Barack Obama was a racist dog whistle.
02:12:55.000And they were able to veer the party further to the right.
02:12:57.000I do think that it can be done more effectively through primaries rather than instituting into power the party of, like, just to put a finer point on it, drag queen story hour.
02:13:08.000I think the left in America is out of their fucking mind, and giving them any power is an insane risk.
02:13:16.000Yeah, I think that we just got to stop playing not to lose.
02:13:29.000You've been on it longer than me, admittedly, but I've been on this ride and I've watched all these cycles 16, 18, 20, 22, 24.
02:13:35.000And I've just been so disappointed at Republicans' willingness to just completely sell us out on everything.
02:13:42.000I mean, you can even go back to 22, not to open up a whole other thing, but like I remember in 2020, they gave up on Trump fighting the stolen election.
02:13:50.00022, they said, We're going to get to the bottom of the Capitol riot footage.
02:13:55.000We're going to look at the surveillance and we're going to fight Biden on the debt ceiling.
02:14:29.000By the way, I would like to at some point here, if you're okay with it, I don't want to pull a Candace and put your interview behind paywall.
02:14:35.000This has all been mass, but take some chat because that's for those who subscribe.
02:14:39.000Would you allow for the fact that when you're talking about your purity tests, that someone may think, hey, you know what, a weakened and non nuclear Iran or Iran being a potential threat needing to be dealt with, that someone could hold that opinion and not be exclusively holding it for Israel?
02:14:54.000I think they could, but I just think they'd be wrong.
02:14:56.000I think it's a fundamental misunderstanding of what's happening there.
02:16:37.000My position is no foreign lobbying, period.
02:16:39.000But that doesn't pass the purity test because I also think that the Iranian regime is a death cult.
02:16:46.000Who, if Israel didn't exist tomorrow, would be just like Muhammad in the 7th century, 8th century, every single century trying to eradicate anyone who's not under Islamic subjugation, regardless of this modern nation.
02:17:04.000I think that's just a fundamental ideological difference.
02:17:07.000If you're talking about, I think we should bomb Iran, I think we should destroy Iran for pro America reasons, it's like, well, I don't think we should destroy Iran.
02:17:15.000I don't think we can, and I don't think it's even worthwhile.
02:17:19.000I mean, you look at, we just simply cannot.
02:17:39.000We're getting into two separate things.
02:17:40.000The question that I was asking is, and we can go to that.
02:17:42.000I mean, I think that it's, again, you do this where you're like 90% of their Navy is gone.
02:17:47.000Like, yeah, they're able to control the strait, but you also know that that has to do with insurance rates, right?
02:17:50.000And businesses not being willing to take the risk.
02:17:52.000That's a little different from saying that militarily they're completely intact.
02:17:55.000The point that I was making, though, and I see this strain, particularly from people like Dan Bolzerian going over and saying, I heard the call to prayer and it was the most beautiful thing in the world.
02:18:05.000I don't believe that there has been a greater evil perpetrated against Christianity or the free world than Islam.
02:18:23.000But the point is, a lot of these people who would be more in alliance with you than me are like, well, that's not, that's Jewish propaganda.
02:18:30.000It's not propaganda, it's an understanding of historical record and precedence.
02:18:35.000And I think that Iran is obviously the most radical as far as a group, the regime, by the way.
02:18:39.000We need to separate the people from the regime.
02:18:41.000There's a reason that the vast majority of people pray for these bombs and want them for the same reason the people of Venezuela and right now the people of Cuba.
02:18:47.000Doesn't mean it's our job to be clear, but there's a reason that the people are very different from the regime.
02:18:52.000They're following lockstep with Muhammad and the initial.
02:18:55.000And that absolutely would happen here in the United States if we followed the leftists' voting pattern, the leftists' governing pattern, we'd end up like Europe or Canada.
02:19:03.000And I was in Canada and I watched people cheer the second tower be hit because I had a hugely Muslim school.
02:19:09.000I've lived through it anecdotally and empirically.
02:19:11.000It's a far greater threat than the Jews who are annoying, I'll grant.
02:19:17.000Well, I mean, but what are we talking about?
02:19:19.000Are we talking about Jews versus Islam?
02:19:20.000Because these are two very different things, I think.
02:19:22.000Well, I started this by saying, could someone have the view?
02:19:27.000That Iran, because of their specific, by the way, practice of Islam and worldview, that they would need to be, I guess you would say, rendered more impotent, sort of denuclearized.
02:20:09.000Israel recognizes that Iran is a threat.
02:20:11.000And so do we for the same reason, by the way, that Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Islamic world does.
02:20:15.000Yeah, I mean, like I said, I think you can think that, but I don't think there's any way to effectuate that policy without it playing into that larger plan.
02:20:25.000Like, again, you know, you say, well, I don't think Iran should have a nuclear weapon.
02:20:29.000Okay, so then we have to bomb them because they're not going to give it up with the deal.
02:21:09.000Like, you can say, I'm in favor of attacking Iran for pro America reasons, but there's no way that goes other than you're walking down the road to regime change, which Israel will.
02:22:14.000We have to tell Israel that if they continue to provoke Iran or confront Iran or derail negotiations, which they did last year, then we will revoke their foreign aid.
02:22:24.000We will intervene, maybe in their elections, even for that matter, which we have the power to do.
02:22:30.000Netanyahu, at various times, it looks like he might have lost American support and that made him less popular.
02:22:36.000So you could say, look, listen, Mr. Prime Minister, America is going to lean on you in every way that we can economically, militarily, in terms of foreign aid, in public diplomacy.
02:22:57.000Where you'll have sanctions relief, we'll have monitoring, we'll have verification, Russia can be a signatory, and we're going to make sure that you have a peaceful nuclear program.
02:23:06.000And then one day they'll be integrated into collective security in the region, and we don't have to worry about them.
02:23:27.000Historically, so here's my position to sort of take an extreme version of the position.
02:23:31.000I think if Israel didn't exist tomorrow, now maybe it wouldn't necessarily be Iran as we know it because these countries that basically live if you were to give the world an anima, that's where you'd stick the hose.
02:23:42.000You can do the 7th century, 8th century, every single century up until and including the modern advent of Israel.
02:23:47.000I think if Israel didn't exist tomorrow, the current Iran as we know it would still not play ball and probably get a nuke to hedge against the Sunni world, you know, places like Saudi Arabia.
02:23:56.000There are entire documentaries on how much they've hated each other.
02:23:59.000And by the way, they'll make deals and break them tomorrow, and I still think that they would view us as a giant devil.
02:24:04.000It doesn't mean that militarily the strategy has been correct.
02:24:07.000That's why I said, give us three months, or give me three months before I form an opinion.
02:24:11.000I think there's a world in which it makes sense if it's short, effective, and decisive.
02:24:15.000If it's not, then I think it's a mistake.
02:24:19.000But it has nothing to do with Israel has told you that Iran is a threat.
02:24:29.000And I think that if people believe the Islamic world would not be seeing the West as a threat and would not be trying to outpopulate us, To subjugate us, if not for Israel, is a pipe dream and it ignores all of human history.
02:24:42.000And that gets shut down when people go, well, you're not America first because actually the Jews are a problem and not Islam.
02:24:47.000I think Islam is still one of the greatest threats to the Western world.
02:24:49.000And I think that Iran's a big part of that.
02:24:51.000And as to whether this is effective remains to be seen.
02:26:44.000We have tremendous leverage over Israel that we just simply refuse to use.
02:26:48.000You know, we provide a substantial percentage of their defense budget.
02:26:52.000We provide the security umbrella for them.
02:26:55.000We provide them with all these advanced weapons and parts and everything like that.
02:26:59.000We have enormous leverage over them, and yet the tail wags the dog.
02:27:03.000Trump engaged, to his credit, Iran in diplomacy last year, and Netanyahu tried to sabotage it.
02:27:09.000We announced the diplomacy on April 2nd, and the next day, Netanyahu comes out and says, The only deal we will accept is if we blow up Iran's nuclear program.
02:27:31.000And then, yes, I think that if you could build trust with Iran, then you could achieve something like the JCPOA, and then we wouldn't have to go to war.
02:27:40.000The alternative is we have to have regime change in Iran.
02:28:47.000Primarily that you're dealing with Iran.
02:28:50.000They lie as easily as they breathe, and it's because of an ideology regardless of Israel.
02:28:56.000But to go back to the point of view, would you vote for someone who goes, could someone, for example, when we're talking about 2028, and this goes back to that, could someone line up with you on every single other thing?
02:29:07.000But have supported the military action in Iran and get your vote?
02:29:13.000Even if they support defunding Israel, doing away with AIPAC, closing up the border, complete deportation, shutting down H 1Bs.
02:29:20.000Would you vote for a Democratic socialist like Bernie Sanders, but he's against the war in Iran and he talks a lot about global Jewry?
02:29:30.000Or would you vote for the person who is America first to the right on all issues, including immigration, including labor, including tariffs, including social issues?
02:30:11.000They have an undeclared nuclear arsenal.
02:30:14.000And that is really at the center of this.
02:30:15.000And again, Israel has a foreign policy they've engaged in for a very long time of destabilizing and destroying all their neighbors with the help of the United States, with the influence of the Israel lobby in the United States.
02:30:28.000So you can't say like, well, if Israel didn't exist and if this and if that, Israel's plan is to use the United States to topple Iran.
02:30:52.000This is where all the world's resources are.
02:30:54.000All the commerce is going to go through that rimland area through the Middle East, the Red Sea, the Persian Gulf, and then overland through the Middle East.
02:31:47.000Now, I understand we live in a two party system, and we need to have coalitions, we need to have voting blocs if we want to win the country.
02:31:55.000So, you have to have all this base that have already voted Republican conservatives right across the board.
02:31:59.000And we know boomers, okay, people make fun of them, but they outvote Gen Z by a significant margin, certainly millennials, okay.
02:32:07.000All right, shut down the border, mass deportations, build the wall immediately, completely shut down H 1Bs.
02:32:14.000I'd put a half a million dollar fee on it in case someone's bringing in the next Elon Musk or Nikolai Tesla from El Salvador, for God's sakes.
02:34:04.000What matters most because candidates who may magically appear need to know what the purity test is for 2028 because we still don't have a name or description.
02:34:13.000I'm saying someone like me, I should meet the purity test, except for, you know what?
02:35:36.000And if people want to continue and you want to send Nick your chats, you can right there click that button, join Rumble Premium, which, by the way, allows freedom of speech to exist.
02:35:45.000This is one beautiful thing, as far as I would say, progress that's been made where we can have these conversations.
02:35:49.000I think this may even be simul streamed on YouTube.
02:35:51.000So we stuck it to the old ghost of Wajitski there.