Louder with Crowder - Steven Crowder Debates Nick Fuentes: Trump Has Failed & You Should Vote Democrat

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00:16:30.000 That is to say, can I help you?

00:16:31.000 As a matter of fact, you can.

00:16:32.000 That's so considerate of you to ask.

00:16:33.000 You see, I was over by the bar back there, and I said, now there's a young man who could be of great assistance accompanying me back to my hotel.

00:16:41.000 Well, as much as that is flattering, no.

00:16:44.000 No, I'm simply not a homosexual man.

00:16:47.000 I'm, in fact, a married man.

00:16:50.000 And so the dance begins.

00:16:52.000 The two-step where each of us cloaks our true desires for fear of rejection.

00:16:57.000 Like a mystery ball, the path to unmasking one's truth is rife with self-deceit.

00:17:02.000 There's only one problem.

00:17:05.000 I haven't a mask.

00:17:07.000 And I'm too old to dance.

00:17:10.000 You and I both know this act is pointless.

00:17:10.000 Oh, come now.

00:17:12.000 A young man like you could learn a thing or two from me, having a man like me show you the ropes.

00:17:17.000 Why don't we just skip this whole charade?

00:17:19.000 Stop wasting everyone's time as you accompany me to my car.

00:17:23.000 That seems at the very least mildly inappropriate for a lunchtime.

00:17:28.000 I've always loathed the barricade of age.

00:17:31.000 Unfortunately, it's one of this world's greatest ironies that those guarding the most valuable treasure. Don't understand their true worth.

00:17:38.000 Now, Ben, I of course misspoke when I called you a boy. 0.55

00:17:41.000 Obviously, you're a young man, and I think it's one of this country's greatest injustices that a strapping young lad like you, just a few mere years shy of a driver's license, can't so much as enjoy a simple beer with his friends or some of this earth's more fleshly pleasures.

00:17:58.000 Wait, do you, uh, do you think I'm a boy?

00:18:01.000 No, of course not.

00:18:02.000 You're a young man.

00:18:04.000 No, no, I mean, I'm 35. 1.00

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00:18:44.000 I'm seeing something 1,900 yards out.

00:19:12.000 Can't even see that far out.

00:19:13.000 Hold your fire.

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00:19:15.000 He's right, legend.

00:19:16.000 No bueno.

00:19:18.000 Correction, that's 2100 yards out.

00:19:21.000 That's almost a mile.

00:19:22.000 That's an impossible shot.

00:19:24.000 Wait, you're set to kilometers or metric system, this is America. 0.99

00:19:29.000 Well, it's Iraq, but shut up. 0.98

00:19:33.000 Eyes on target. 0.99

00:19:34.000 This is legend base.

00:19:35.000 I got eye on target.

00:19:36.000 Initiate QRF over.

00:19:39.000 Copy that ET on quick reaction.

00:19:40.000 Forces 20 minutes out.

00:19:42.000 There it is.

00:19:44.000 It's broadcasting clear as day.

00:19:46.000 That algorithm is coursing through that screen right now.

00:19:49.000 It's big tech, there's no doubt about it.

00:19:51.000 Are you sure?

00:19:52.000 Can you confirm it's big tech?

00:19:53.000 Oh, I'm sure.

00:19:55.000 Nowhere in the natural world does the playlist include Wolf Blitzer, Jake Tapper, and Trevor Noah.

00:20:01.000 Wait, hold.

00:20:02.000 Can't identify that just began in the playlist an episode of Dicker Dildo.

00:20:06.000 Which one is it?

00:20:06.000 Dicker Dildo?

00:20:07.000 Dicker Dildo? 0.99

00:20:08.000 It's always Dick. 1.00

00:20:10.000 I'm looking at a magnified bedsheet with two queers playing Dicker Dildo. 1.00

00:20:15.000 As though there's any kind of suspense. 1.00

00:20:17.000 Jeez, quick reaction forces 20 minutes out.

00:20:19.000 You stand the f down.

00:20:21.000 I'm also identifying that this is, in fact, not age restricted. 0.99

00:20:23.000 Can confirm two dicks, no dildos. 0.96

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00:20:35.000 Just f*** 1.00

00:21:05.000 this legend. 0.99

00:21:07.000 Did I?

00:21:31.000 Shibba diba dip dip dip.

00:21:34.000 Ah. 0.81

00:21:37.000 What was that?

00:21:37.000 I had that song in my head.

00:21:40.000 I don't know.

00:21:41.000 Well, Josh is here.

00:21:42.000 I can talk with Josh.

00:21:43.000 It's Nicki Minaj.

00:21:44.000 No, it's not.

00:21:46.000 She sampled it.

00:21:46.000 Oh, that doesn't count.

00:21:48.000 Yeah.

00:21:49.000 And Under Pressure was Vanilla Ice. 0.91

00:21:51.000 Come on.

00:21:52.000 Well, he didn't officially sample it.

00:21:53.000 He stole it.

00:21:54.000 He didn't.

00:21:54.000 They went dung, dung, dung, dung, da da dung, dung.

00:21:57.000 He stole it like he stole black culture. 0.99

00:21:58.000 And he went dung, Too many dongs for me. 1.00

00:22:03.000 Come on. 0.96

00:22:05.000 I mean, I. Come on, Nick.

00:22:06.000 I'm calling him as I dong.

00:22:07.000 We have a nice guest, Nick Fuentes.

00:22:09.000 Sure, he's late and big time in me, but.

00:22:12.000 No, I'm kidding.

00:22:14.000 Nick did reach out ahead of time and let us know that he was running late.

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00:22:43.000 Now, Nick Fuentes is going to be on the show here in the next few minutes, as I understand it.

00:22:49.000 So you guys let me know when we have him on.

00:22:51.000 And yeah, the best place, Toolman, so people know where Nick Fuentes' show and channel is.

00:22:57.000 Might as well plug that in.

00:22:58.000 Yeah, it's America First.

00:22:59.000 Here, I'll throw the full screen up again.

00:23:01.000 There you go.

00:23:03.000 His ex is at Nick J. Fuentes and his rumble is the same.

00:23:07.000 Yeah.

00:23:08.000 And look, what do I expect from today?

00:23:11.000 We'll be taking your chats later.

00:23:13.000 I'll tell you, I expect it to be probably similar in tone to last time, but this time there's a, that was very broad.

00:23:19.000 It was a general conversation because a lot of people haven't had him on their show.

00:23:23.000 People are saying, I can't believe that you would platform someone.

00:23:25.000 I mean, look, I think now we know it's not about platforming anyone.

00:23:28.000 People, there are people with far more abhorrent views than Nick Fuentes who we've also invited on the show.

00:23:33.000 You don't have that luxury.

00:23:34.000 These, There are many people out there who have platforms, who have influence, and it's important to engage in a form of ideas.

00:23:39.000 And right now, it's very clear that Nick Fuentes and I disagree on a strategy moving forward, particularly as it relates to midterms, the future of the country, general elections.

00:23:49.000 So it's more of a political discussion, but I think we'll probably get into cultural, the social ramifications.

00:23:55.000 And, you know, a lot of people want me to hate Nick Fuentes.

00:23:58.000 First off, I don't really hate anybody, to be clear.

00:24:01.000 It's hard to hate a kid who shows up and he's funny.

00:24:05.000 He's funny.

00:24:06.000 There's no way to get around the fact that Nick Fuentes is funny.

00:24:11.000 And for me, if someone's funny, it's very disarming.

00:24:15.000 I will sooner lie and say that I love somebody than falsely claim somebody is funny.

00:24:20.000 Yeah, you never saw any funny communists. 0.67

00:24:27.000 Well, they probably existed and they were killed immediately.

00:24:29.000 I would like them a little more. 0.97

00:24:30.000 Yeah, it's like, how many Bolsheviks does it take to. 0.87

00:24:33.000 You don't get to finish. 0.83

00:24:34.000 No, they don't get to finish.

00:24:35.000 You don't get to finish with communists.

00:24:37.000 So.

00:24:38.000 As I understand it, we do have Nicholas Fuentes on the show.

00:24:41.000 Has he settled in?

00:24:42.000 Because hopefully he's not rushing in.

00:24:43.000 I don't want him to be stressed.

00:24:45.000 He looks ready.

00:24:46.000 He looks ready.

00:24:47.000 Well, he was born ready.

00:24:48.000 This is what he does, this is what he loves.

00:24:50.000 Sometimes I'm an unwilling participant.

00:24:52.000 But all right, everybody, it's time.

00:24:55.000 Red corner, blue corner?

00:24:56.000 It's going to be a conversation.

00:24:56.000 It's not a debate.

00:24:57.000 Let's welcome on Nick Fuentes.

00:25:04.000 All right, Senior Fuentes, thank you for being here.

00:25:06.000 Can you see me?

00:25:07.000 Can you hear me, sir?

00:25:08.000 Yes, yes.

00:25:09.000 Can you hear me?

00:25:10.000 I can.

00:25:11.000 I can hear you well.

00:25:12.000 What is, first off, you big timey, you show up late, and it's the one time you're not wearing a suit, you do the hoodie?

00:25:17.000 What is this?

00:25:18.000 It's early for me, Steven.

00:25:20.000 I do a nightly show, so this is like, it's early in the morning over here, 10 30 for a show.

00:25:25.000 All right.

00:25:26.000 That's crazy.

00:25:27.000 No, I'm John.

00:25:27.000 I appreciate you letting me know and being accommodating last week where we had a doctor's appointment.

00:25:32.000 Well, I had a doctor's appointment that I couldn't avoid.

00:25:34.000 Hey, first off, where's the best place for people to find you?

00:25:37.000 And I apologize, I'm looking down because I kind of have to look to see you on the monitor as opposed to my, you know how that is.

00:25:42.000 Best place for people to find you when you stream?

00:25:45.000 I am at rumble.com slash Nick J. Fuentes every Monday through Friday.

00:25:50.000 All right, Greg.

00:25:51.000 And X, you're there now, right?

00:25:53.000 Yes, yes, I'm still on X. Nick J. Fuentes there as well.

00:25:56.000 Okay.

00:25:57.000 Well, I figure we start this off.

00:25:59.000 I think last time, right, it was fair.

00:26:01.000 It was a fun conversation.

00:26:02.000 We had some disagreements.

00:26:03.000 I'm hoping we can continue on that path.

00:26:06.000 Yeah.

00:26:07.000 Yeah.

00:26:07.000 Absolutely.

00:26:08.000 And you fully have permission, by the way, to respectfully be disrespectful.

00:26:10.000 I think, you know, there's enough rapport.

00:26:11.000 You can call me names, whatever that is. 0.65

00:26:13.000 Treat me like a buddy, you know, like a buddy who's assy kicking the locker room.

00:26:17.000 Now, speaking of which, I did want to show you, like, I don't know if you saw our coverage of you rightfully shoving that lady who showed up to your house, but I have that clip.

00:26:28.000 On a loop on my computer, like a morphine drip, just because of how much I enjoy it.

00:26:34.000 For people who haven't seen it, you were well within.

00:26:36.000 And were you surprised at the level of defense you got, even from detractors who didn't like you?

00:26:40.000 I was, and from Reddit.

00:26:42.000 It was on the front page of Reddit, and all the Redditors were defending me, too.

00:26:45.000 So, yeah, I thought it was going to be a little bit more maybe negative or maybe even split, but it was almost like 90% of people said I was in the right.

00:26:55.000 So, it was surprising. 0.99

00:26:57.000 I was a little surprised, too, but I think that does indicate that people are tired of this shit. 0.99

00:27:02.000 Because once upon a time, people went, well, he deserves it, you know, that kind of stuff. 0.99

00:27:06.000 So there's been a noticeable shift, I think, post Charlie Kirk.

00:27:09.000 Yeah.

00:27:10.000 Well, and I think people recognize you cross a boundary like that.

00:27:14.000 And everybody understands people all have a home and they don't want to be bothered at their home.

00:27:19.000 Everybody recognizes we disagree.

00:27:20.000 Everything's very politically charged right now, but we want to feel safe where we live.

00:27:25.000 So I think there's something to that.

00:27:26.000 We're definitely making some progress, I think.

00:27:29.000 I want to show the clip for people who missed it.

00:27:30.000 And then I don't know if you saw when we covered it, we did a Photoshop with it.

00:27:34.000 But first, for those who missed it, the clip.

00:27:36.000 Awesome.

00:27:37.000 The internet agrees he was well within his rights and prepare to laugh.

00:27:42.000 I love her reaction.

00:27:43.000 Wait, what?

00:27:44.000 Oh my god, what are you doing?

00:27:49.000 She's surprised.

00:27:51.000 Hold on a second, pause.

00:27:52.000 Nick, you know what I love about that?

00:27:54.000 You walk back like both a cartoon character slash Bigfoot who's annoyed.

00:28:00.000 Like your arms are down here like this.

00:28:01.000 Like you could just, you don't even seem that aggravated.

00:28:04.000 Like this was just a day at the office.

00:28:07.000 What?

00:28:07.000 Oh my god, oh my god.

00:28:09.000 And then she turns to her friend.

00:28:10.000 Who does nothing?

00:28:12.000 Her friend is Judas.

00:28:14.000 Keep playing.

00:28:14.000 There's so many elements here that I just love.

00:28:17.000 All right.

00:28:18.000 Gonna take your phone.

00:28:19.000 Yep.

00:28:22.000 And then she turns to her friend.

00:28:24.000 She just had fun.

00:28:29.000 What?

00:28:29.000 She didn't even roll down her window.

00:28:31.000 She half opens it.

00:28:32.000 By the way, parked in front of a fire hydrant.

00:28:36.000 And then I said, like, my favorite part is it gave us what should have been Time's photo of the year.

00:28:42.000 This right here, like that to me, that picture, it looks like a 70s horror film.

00:28:47.000 And so we turned it into a poster for you where it was, there you go. 0.87

00:28:51.000 Yeah, the step groeper.

00:28:53.000 The next thing streaming could be you.

00:28:55.000 So it's just, you really, it reminded me of the stepfather.

00:28:57.000 But that was a lot of fun.

00:28:58.000 I'm glad to see that, you know, you got some support.

00:29:00.000 And even though we just, if we disagree on some things, it is dangerous out there.

00:29:04.000 I think, would we agree on this, that definitely the left as a whole is violent and those who have achieved power in our institutions, namely academia, Media, big tech, the entertainment industry. 0.97

00:29:17.000 We could use, I know that you probably would point out Jewry as well. 0.87

00:29:20.000 I say the Marxist left. 0.59

00:29:22.000 We'll get into that.

00:29:22.000 But enemies of America that I think we both want, that kind of America, have seized significant power in the institutions in our country, and they are a threat.

00:29:32.000 Will we find common ground on that?

00:29:34.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:29:35.000 Yeah.

00:29:36.000 And it's no question there is a scourge of left wing violence.

00:29:39.000 I talked about this on my show, even when Luigi Mangione killed that healthcare CEO.

00:29:44.000 It was Thomas Crooks, Luigi Mangione.

00:29:47.000 And then that seemed to ignite this cycle of violence then against Charlie Kirk, against Donald Trump.

00:29:52.000 Even now, they say the wildfires and the palisades were started by some crazed radical leftist.

00:29:57.000 So there's no question that that is going on.

00:30:00.000 And like you say, it's organized and exacerbated by the organized institutional left.

00:30:05.000 So I think we're 100% agreement on that.

00:30:07.000 Okay, good.

00:30:08.000 Now let's get to the part here where we disagree.

00:30:12.000 And I think it's really a political strategy prescription.

00:30:15.000 So to be clear, we did play the clip where you said, I'm a moderate Democrat now.

00:30:19.000 I said, look, I think that's hyperbole.

00:30:22.000 I think he's making the point here.

00:30:24.000 So I don't want to do the whole.

00:30:25.000 He's a leftist or he's a Nazi.

00:30:28.000 How about I steel man your argument as I understand it?

00:30:28.000 Let's start this way.

00:30:33.000 And you can let me know if I have a decent grasp or correct me.

00:30:37.000 Okay, sure.

00:30:38.000 So, my view is you're issuing a political strategy, right?

00:30:41.000 You are not a leftist.

00:30:42.000 You are not a Democrat.

00:30:43.000 But, okay, Republicans have taken your vote for granted.

00:30:46.000 They have not been held accountable.

00:30:47.000 They haven't delivered on any of the promises that they've made.

00:30:50.000 Americans are feeling this right now, particularly young Americans in this economy.

00:30:54.000 They feel as though they're not represented and they're being sold out to big corporate interests.

00:30:58.000 Including, by the way, a foreign nation like Israel, placing that above the interests of American citizens.

00:31:04.000 And so we need to speak the only language they understand, which is defeat, make it sting in the midterms, vote Democrat in 2026 so that it will pave the way or allow for a candidate who more effectively represents America first or a true version of their constituency. 0.90

00:31:22.000 Yeah, that's a pretty good summary, yes.

00:31:24.000 Okay.

00:31:25.000 Is there anything that you think I've gotten wrong or would correct?

00:31:29.000 I would add another layer to it because to me it is a two parter.

00:31:33.000 It's for 2026, but it also is with a.

00:31:35.000 There's a very significant part of it that's looking ahead to 2028 as well.

00:31:40.000 But that's a big part of it.

00:31:41.000 That's, let's say, half of it.

00:31:43.000 Okay, good.

00:31:45.000 Now do mine.

00:31:47.000 Well, I think that, you know, you voted for Trump in 2024.

00:31:51.000 I think you'll be voting Republican in 26 and 28.

00:31:54.000 And I think you would probably say that the left is always going to be worse, the Democrats are always going to be worse.

00:32:01.000 And so.

00:32:02.000 Voting for something worse is always going to be bad.

00:32:04.000 If we want Republicans to be better, we should maybe focus on primaries.

00:32:10.000 And what's more, Republicans are holding back something far worse, which is always going to come from the Democrats.

00:32:15.000 Things like open borders, not only no mass deportations, but also no borders, not only war with Iran, but maybe war with Russia, continuing the war in Ukraine.

00:32:25.000 Basically, it only exacerbates our problems, doesn't actually solve them, would be something like I think your position is.

00:32:33.000 I think that's actually relatively fair.

00:32:35.000 I would probably add some layers too.

00:32:36.000 It's multi pronged.

00:32:37.000 Like, I'm certainly not, I've had plenty of instances where I have not voted Republican.

00:32:41.000 But I have said I am precluded from voting Democrat.

00:32:44.000 So that's a non starter for me.

00:32:45.000 But I have left it blank when I've had Republicans on the ticket in elections.

00:32:49.000 And I can't because, as a crisis of conscience, I can't violate it and vote for this person.

00:32:53.000 I've even voted third party in local elections because, you know, it's different from national.

00:32:57.000 I think we also both operate.

00:32:59.000 That's one thing I appreciate about you.

00:33:00.000 You're not just, the system, man, third party, let's vote Gary Johnson.

00:33:03.000 Like, you know that.

00:33:05.000 Under universal suffrage, it's a two party system, and you have to work within that to affect change, right?

00:33:10.000 Right.

00:33:11.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:33:11.000 Yeah.

00:33:12.000 And I appreciate you being more genuine about that because a lot of people online just throw their hat and they'll keep you with each other. 0.95

00:33:17.000 So I don't want to do that silly crap today. 0.94

00:33:20.000 Okay. 0.99

00:33:21.000 So, flesh out the plan.

00:33:22.000 I disagree.

00:33:24.000 Vote Democrat in 2026.

00:33:27.000 Why?

00:33:28.000 And then walk me through the plan.

00:33:31.000 So, you know, in 2024, I didn't vote Republican.

00:33:34.000 I recused myself.

00:33:35.000 I just told people not to vote.

00:33:36.000 Everybody thinks I voted for Kamala, but I didn't.

00:33:39.000 I just told people to withhold their vote.

00:33:41.000 But in 2026, what really did it for me was the war in Iran.

00:33:44.000 I think that for me, that was the red line.

00:33:46.000 We were promised no new wars. 0.94

00:33:48.000 We got a war in Iran.

00:33:49.000 And I really believe that if you vote for Republicans after.

00:33:52.000 After that, it's almost like you'll tolerate anything because that's such an explicit betrayal and on a very serious matter.

00:33:59.000 And then, what's more, to maybe get into the positive reason for voting Democrat as opposed to withholding your vote or not voting Republican, is I think that when you look at the House of Representatives in particular, and I'd say this on my show, they exercise oversight powers under the Constitution.

00:34:17.000 And so they can depose, they can compel the release of documents, they can subpoena, form subcommittees.

00:34:23.000 And I really believe that.

00:34:24.000 They said against the Republicans will actually work to slow down the administration.

00:34:30.000 And it's not just that the administration is not doing things.

00:34:32.000 They're doing things that are bad.

00:34:34.000 They did try to bury the Epstein files.

00:34:37.000 And if it wasn't for the Democrats and a handful of Republicans, they would have never seen the light of day.

00:34:42.000 And then you have the war powers resolution in the Senate, which got shut down basically along party lines with one exception, which was John Fetterman.

00:34:49.000 And so, and then you have a group of Democrats.

00:34:53.000 This is just last week.

00:34:54.000 They put out a letter to the White House asking to disclose Israel's nuclear program. 0.59

00:34:59.000 So, I would like to see actually Democrats in the.

00:35:02.000 Can you repeat that last part, just for people who maybe missed it?

00:35:05.000 There was a lot of rapid fire, disclosing the nuclear program.

00:35:08.000 Yeah, there was a group of 20 House Democrats.

00:35:11.000 They signed a letter to the White House, basically asking the White House to acknowledge that Israel has a nuclear arsenal because they believe, and I think it's correct, that the lack of disclosure about that creates a risk of miscalculation or escalation.

00:35:24.000 We don't know where Israel's red line is when they would use a nuke. 0.83

00:35:28.000 So, these are just like a few examples where I think that it's actually a good thing for Democrats.

00:35:33.000 To have a divided government with Republicans and slow down and challenge some of the things that are going on because I think they're not good.

00:35:41.000 And then, if you will, do you want to stop there and then get on to the other part?

00:35:44.000 Or do you want me to finish with that?

00:35:45.000 Well, no, I think so.

00:35:46.000 So let's take all of that, you know, in let's take it in totality.

00:35:50.000 First off, I still don't think it's anywhere comparable to the actual progress, the wins that have been made under the Trump administration.

00:35:56.000 Like, I wouldn't say disclosure.

00:35:57.000 And also, I don't think that these are things that you couldn't force Republicans to do, for example.

00:36:01.000 It's a pretty popular position, at least in my experience with Republicans on this show, to remove this ambiguity, this Unofficial ambiguity as far as Israeli nukes.

00:36:10.000 I also agree with that.

00:36:12.000 I don't think that it outweighs the mammoth wins, but let's assume that, okay, it's a wash for the sake of this.

00:36:19.000 What I really want to know is, okay, so you vote Democrat.

00:36:23.000 I think you and I would both acknowledge, because you've said that voting Democrat is a way to punish Republicans, you're not going to get the change in this system with the Democrat Party.

00:36:30.000 Do I have that right?

00:36:31.000 This is about fundamentally changing the Republican Party through accountability.

00:36:34.000 Absolutely.

00:36:35.000 Yes, totally.

00:36:36.000 Okay, good.

00:36:37.000 Just because I don't want people to misconstrue what you just said.

00:36:38.000 Like, so see, Democrats are actually good.

00:36:40.000 Like, they have some. 1.00

00:36:41.000 And some bullshit that they throw in every now and then. 0.99

00:36:45.000 What do you do after that? 0.98

00:36:46.000 So, in other words, you're saying this will lead us to a consistent or more representative victory in 2028.

00:36:53.000 What's the roster?

00:36:55.000 What's the ground game, right?

00:36:55.000 Where are the funds?

00:36:57.000 Because it's a big risk handing the country over to the left.

00:36:59.000 We know what they want to do.

00:37:01.000 Well, and see, this is where it gets interesting, and this is where we might disagree on some things.

00:37:06.000 So, the way that I see it, 2028 is really what it's all about.

00:37:09.000 I really believe that this administration is just cooked.

00:37:12.000 I don't think there's going to be a course correction.

00:37:15.000 I have no faith in this administration.

00:37:17.000 I think Trump is old.

00:37:18.000 The people around him are very bad.

00:37:20.000 And so I think the real question is, and this is a huge question, who will be Trump's successor?

00:37:25.000 Because that person is going to define the direction of the party.

00:37:28.000 And I really believe there should be a very competitive primary for the presidential race in 28.

00:37:34.000 And what they're trying to do is consolidate support around either Vance or Rubio.

00:37:39.000 As I'm sure you know, behind the scenes, there's a very big fight going on between donors and party personnel.

00:37:46.000 Are they going to get behind Rubio, which he seems to have the backing of the neocons and Mark Levin and APAC and Miriam Adelson?

00:37:53.000 Are they going to get behind Vance, who has the support of Little Tech, Palantir Tucker, you know, and he's going to clearly run in the more America first lane, at least nominally, he's going to claim that.

00:38:04.000 And I think that we should not have consolidation where it's 80% behind one candidate.

00:38:09.000 I think it should be wide open.

00:38:10.000 I also don't like either Rubio or Vance because I think you get a neocon or a Palantir guy.

00:38:15.000 And so to me, the only way to have an open field is if.

00:38:20.000 Everyone associated with the administration is sufficiently weakened.

00:38:24.000 So I'm actually rooting for Democrats to degrade and sabotage this administration and the people in it so that they're less politically viable.

00:38:32.000 And maybe that clears the way for a dark horse or an outsider, someone from outside the MAGA, Mar a Lago, Trump administration to maybe clinch the nomination in 28.

00:38:43.000 And to me, that's really the big picture.

00:38:45.000 Okay.

00:38:46.000 So here's my primary problem, what you just said.

00:38:48.000 And it's that keyword maybe.

00:38:49.000 So my first question is the roster?

00:38:52.000 You say, yeah, competitive primary.

00:38:53.000 I agree.

00:38:55.000 I hear who you don't want.

00:38:56.000 The roster, the funds, the ground game.

00:38:59.000 Maybe, right?

00:39:00.000 Because you've tried this before.

00:39:02.000 The losses are real with the Democrats that we faced.

00:39:02.000 It's failed.

00:39:06.000 I would argue, I think it'd be tough to argue against worst three years in modern American history.

00:39:11.000 The wins, the potential wins that you're describing are imaginary with no concretes.

00:39:15.000 And I know that you talked about this with Dan Bilzerian.

00:39:17.000 So I'm not trying to sandbag you here, but if I'm going, okay, there's a risk, it's a political play.

00:39:23.000 I won't be able to take part.

00:39:24.000 Along with many conservatives and Republicans, because I cannot vote Democrat.

00:39:28.000 Doesn't mean I'll vote for Republicans all across the board.

00:39:31.000 Can't vote Democrat.

00:39:32.000 But the roster, the funds, the ground game, you know, the things that you need to win elections in 2028 through the major risk of handing the country over to Democrats when we know that that means open borders, packing the courts, turning them into citizens, DEI back in the administration, H 1B skyrocketing again, all of that.

00:39:50.000 Huge risk, concretes, so we see the payoff.

00:39:54.000 See, and this is where you might disagree because I think that's maybe the best argument against it.

00:39:59.000 And you're 100% right.

00:40:01.000 It is an extremely risky play.

00:40:03.000 And I don't underestimate that risk at all.

00:40:05.000 And I don't want to understate it.

00:40:07.000 But here's my reframe.

00:40:08.000 Here's kind of like my game theory reframe of it I really believe that this country has serious problems with the debt, with the border.

00:40:19.000 They want a $1.5 trillion budget for the military alone.

00:40:23.000 The Republicans do.

00:40:25.000 We got this war in the Middle East.

00:40:26.000 I really believe that without a radical intervention, like a radically different approach, whether we get a Democrat or lesser of two evils Republican, like a continuity with what we have under Trump, I think that's a no win proposition.

00:40:41.000 Like if it's Gavin Newsom, JD Vance, or Marco Rubio, if those are our options, and let's say everybody else in the Democratic field, I don't see any of those candidates solving it, fixing it.

00:40:53.000 To me, it's really just a question of how fast or how slow it's all going to come crumbling down.

00:40:58.000 And so that's the only reason why I say, If we degrade the two people in this administration, it's sort of like we know what we're going to get with them and we know it's not going to be radical enough.

00:41:07.000 At least if we tear them down, it's a huge maybe, but then there's an opening that something radical may appear.

00:41:13.000 And I've got some people in mind.

00:41:15.000 I wouldn't say them, of course, because you know that game about who's going to run and who's going to throw their hat in the ring, and then my endorsement might hurt that person if they're characterized as the groin boss or Caesar or something.

00:41:28.000 I mean, we have examples of that right here.

00:41:28.000 I don't think so.

00:41:29.000 I mean, Ken Paxton, who you may or may not like, but like Brandon Herrera, who was on the show, he won his primary.

00:41:35.000 We had him on the show.

00:41:36.000 I knew him through the GunTube community, and he directly went up against APAC.

00:41:40.000 They put out a hit on him, figuratively, to be clear to people watching.

00:41:44.000 He fought them, and he's He's going to win.

00:41:46.000 He's going to win his seat.

00:41:47.000 He then won the primary.

00:41:48.000 So, no, you could have an effect.

00:41:50.000 I actually think it's a requirement, frankly, considering the risk, if we both acknowledge it, the risk is you say something radical could happen.

00:41:57.000 With the answer you're giving me now, something radical will happen.

00:42:00.000 It's the radical that we experienced from 2020 through 2024.

00:42:04.000 So, the radical upside, you do got to give a name.

00:42:08.000 You do have to give some finances and a ground game for us to take that risk.

00:42:12.000 Because I don't think, and I'll make the case here, I don't think there's an equivalency.

00:42:16.000 If you look at the actual record, Nick, when Democrats controlled the Senate, Gave us open borders, record inflation, right, at 9.1%, trillions in new spending.

00:42:24.000 They, of course, stopped deportations.

00:42:26.000 They stopped building the wall.

00:42:27.000 They put DEI, I mean, they had a Department of Misinformation.

00:42:30.000 Trump 2.0 has put us for the first time at net negative immigration, record deportations, over a trillion dollars in cuts, not to mention doing away with DEI in the administration, some huge Supreme Court wins that actually paved the way going forward. 0.97

00:42:42.000 I mean, H 1Bs are a really big thing, I know, because you ran billboards on them. 0.99

00:42:46.000 They are not the same. 1.00

00:42:47.000 These are actually, I would say, And I think you'd be hard pressed to argue against whether they're enough.

00:42:53.000 They are the single biggest rightward shifts domestically that we have seen in modern American history.

00:42:59.000 And that includes Reagan, Nixon, anyone else.

00:43:03.000 So the risk is what we lived through.

00:43:06.000 That's guaranteed to happen unless we have concrete.

00:43:11.000 Yeah, what I would push back on is I really think that it's you think you're overstating some of the wins.

00:43:17.000 To me, I would just say it's too little, too late.

00:43:19.000 I mean, as far as like open borders, that's my favorite one because.

00:43:23.000 Trump ran in 2016 saying, we're going to build a border wall.

00:43:27.000 And why a border wall?

00:43:28.000 Because it cannot be torn down.

00:43:30.000 You build a physical structure.

00:43:32.000 Democrats can't undo that.

00:43:33.000 If it is, if it's an executive order, like remain in Mexico or some of those other architecture, they can.

00:43:39.000 And they did.

00:43:40.000 And so it was really Trump's failure to build a border wall.

00:43:43.000 And he enforced it through executive orders, which is why Democrats were able to come in and say, oh, we're just going to undo all of that.

00:43:49.000 And you might say, well, okay, Trump has another crack at it.

00:43:51.000 And the border is secure now.

00:43:53.000 It's like record low crossings.

00:43:55.000 There's no apprehensions at the border.

00:43:57.000 However, it seems that once again, he's given up on the wall.

00:44:00.000 You know, you've got that's incorrect.

00:44:02.000 That's incorrect.

00:44:03.000 Nick, he has built more of the wall in his first really in his first six months than all four years of Biden.

00:44:08.000 And it's on track to be done in 2027.

00:44:10.000 Let's call it 28.

00:44:11.000 It's just not that far.

00:44:12.000 How much wall has he built this year?

00:44:13.000 This last year, it's been, as I understand it, hundreds of feet.

00:44:16.000 And they're going to be putting up digital security, right?

00:44:18.000 Because there are certain areas and terrain that are a little bit more complicated, but more than Biden in four years.

00:44:22.000 And you're saying vote for those people for four years.

00:44:24.000 So there is a difference building anything than nothing. 1.00

00:44:27.000 And I agree with you, by the way, like a good example H 1Bs. 1.00

00:44:31.000 Remember, you ran those billboards, right? 1.00

00:44:33.000 Yeah.

00:44:34.000 And you and I were on the same page.

00:44:35.000 I don't know if you saw this.

00:44:36.000 I was going hard at Elon Musk on X, on H 1Bs, and President Trump.

00:44:41.000 And by the way, got into an argument with Vivek in person.

00:44:45.000 I suggested a three point plan.

00:44:46.000 One of them was a six figure fee.

00:44:48.000 So you put up billboards.

00:44:49.000 Have you told your audience about the unfathomable wins on H 1Bs?

00:44:55.000 Well, I believe they hit the cap for H 1Bs last year, did they not, in 2025?

00:44:58.000 So 26% reduction in issuances and new.

00:45:03.000 H1 new overseas H1Bs, meaning people who are not in this country, down 87%.

00:45:08.000 They were up anywhere from 20 to 90% under Biden.

00:45:11.000 The denial rate was like 1%, 2% on a really good day.

00:45:15.000 87% reduction on new overseas H 1Bs with a $100,000 fee.

00:45:22.000 If you put up billboards and people are upset about that, and you and I are in the same camp, have you told your audience about that win?

00:45:30.000 That's the biggest shift we've ever seen in H 1Bs. 0.97

00:45:31.000 It's not even closed.

00:45:33.000 Again, yeah, you know, I just don't think that's really, you know, when you say, well, they're building hundreds of feet of border wall, that's more than Biden. 0.90

00:45:40.000 Well, you know, there's a 26% reduction in H 1Bs.

00:45:43.000 They hit the Cap, I believe it was $27,000 last year.

00:45:46.000 87%.

00:45:47.000 Here's why, you know why.

00:45:49.000 And you're, Nick, let's both pretend that we're smart enough.

00:45:52.000 Okay.

00:45:52.000 The president has broad powers over people coming into this country, right?

00:45:55.000 New H 1Bs. 1.00

00:45:57.000 And I see this a lot where he gets no credit for executive orders. 0.95

00:46:01.000 But then when things get blocked and cut, they also blame Donald Trump and go, why didn't he get these cuts?

00:46:05.000 Well, that's because of 100% of Democrats.

00:46:08.000 And yes, some feckless Republicans.

00:46:10.000 We should know them by name the Thunes, the Murkowskis, the Collins of the world who should be voted out.

00:46:14.000 But he has broad powers on who's coming in the country. 0.63

00:46:16.000 He can slap $100,000 on that, and he did, an 87% reduction. 0.99

00:46:20.000 To deal with the bulk of H1Bs, people who are extending them, that would require an act of Congress. 0.83

00:46:26.000 So, the most potent tool that he has as president, he enacted an 87% reduction in new people coming over. 0.94

00:46:34.000 People should know that if they're going to say both sides are the same. 0.92

00:46:37.000 Yeah, I mean, maybe I'm just not sure, but I believe he hit the cap for H1Bs last year.

00:46:43.000 It was $127,000.

00:46:44.000 You're always going to hit the cap when you're talking about people extending H1Bs.

00:46:48.000 What we're talking about is new people, new pajeets coming in, right?

00:46:52.000 $100,000.

00:46:53.000 And this is important.

00:46:54.000 It also, by the way, this is your job, my job as commentators. 0.66

00:46:58.000 It shifts that Overton window where it's like, hey, we were told that they were bringing in, you know, the Haji Elon Musk or the next Brown Nikolai Tesla. 0.83

00:47:06.000 Well, $100,000 fee would mean nothing. 0.95

00:47:09.000 Instead, people now know these were people coming in to undercut Americans as cheap labor.

00:47:13.000 So that number matters a lot.

00:47:16.000 If Congress would act, you're not going to have it, especially not with more Democrats.

00:47:20.000 I would go further, though, and I would say, you know, so you're still hitting the cap.

00:47:24.000 And I would go further and say, what about all this talk about seasonal farm visas?

00:47:29.000 What about this mass deportations?

00:47:31.000 We're going to exempt agricultural workers.

00:47:34.000 We're going to exempt farm workers, hospitality, luncheonettes. 0.86

00:47:38.000 We're not going to deport anybody other than the criminal legals. 1.00

00:47:40.000 This is what I mean. 1.00

00:47:41.000 It's like, cause, you know, I think maybe where we're getting stuck is it's not as if things are not improving.

00:47:47.000 Like you're 100% right at Department of Labor and at DHS.

00:47:51.000 They are making some policy changes, the $100,000 fee.

00:47:54.000 I think that's great.

00:47:55.000 And that's a great start. 0.83

00:47:57.000 And cutting down the new overseas visas, that's great too.

00:48:00.000 But once again, we were promised mass deportations.

00:48:03.000 What's more, you had 10 million illegals come in under Biden.

00:48:07.000 And so this is why I say it's just like too little, too late.

00:48:10.000 I'd say more than 10, 12 to 20, depending on how you count it.

00:48:13.000 But a lot.

00:48:13.000 Sure.

00:48:14.000 Well, and too many.

00:48:15.000 We agree.

00:48:16.000 Too many.

00:48:17.000 But we don't even know how many deportations there are because ICE doesn't publish the data anymore.

00:48:23.000 We don't have new officials.

00:48:24.000 Official data on removals from the government since December 2024 from the Biden administration.

00:48:29.000 So it's like, you know, what we're being promised, and this, by the way, gets back to how radical it needs to be.

00:48:35.000 It's like, because you could always say, and you wouldn't be wrong at all, that Republicans are going to be better.

00:48:41.000 Are they going to build more border wall? 1.00

00:48:43.000 Are we going to have less H 1Bs? 0.98

00:48:44.000 Are we going to have more deportations? 0.99

00:48:46.000 Absolutely.

00:48:47.000 But when you actually look at the numbers, it's like, okay, well, they brought in 10 to 20 million in four years.

00:48:53.000 Even if the numbers are true and they say, We arrested 600,000.

00:48:57.000 Maybe we only removed 300,000.

00:49:00.000 You're not even making a dent in that.

00:49:02.000 And you could say, well, anything counts.

00:49:05.000 I would say it doesn't make a difference, like, not really.

00:49:09.000 600,000 against 20 million?

00:49:11.000 Not really.

00:49:12.000 And that's where I would say I favor taking the risk of getting something more radical than what we know, which is getting something that won't be anything.

00:49:19.000 Well, and I can understand that position if I believe the numbers that you throw.

00:49:22.000 Here's the one thing that I do notice, and I don't think that you're a Democrat.

00:49:25.000 No.

00:49:26.000 I really don't.

00:49:27.000 But you do consistently use Democrat talking points against the right.

00:49:31.000 And you have, this is not a primary issue, right?

00:49:34.000 You've advocated that your followers either sit out or vote Democrat in 2020, 22, 24.

00:49:41.000 And as a result, a big one.

00:49:43.000 You know, and this is a big problem that I've had with your approach, not you as a human being.

00:49:48.000 Georgia, right?

00:49:49.000 That flipped the Senate with Kamala Harris as a tiebreaker.

00:49:51.000 And precisely because if people had followed, I'm not saying that you're responsible, but if people had followed your prescription in Georgia, that would be the exact reason for 10 to 20 million illegal aliens coming over an open border wall.

00:50:03.000 That would be the exact reason for stopping them. 0.77

00:50:05.000 That would be the exact reason for a doubling in some instances of H 1Bs.

00:50:09.000 And I don't think that those changes are mild.

00:50:11.000 When you say 600,000, we both know.

00:50:14.000 That is a point that the left will use.

00:50:16.000 It's not accurate.

00:50:17.000 You do have to include self deportations because there's an incentive for self deportations, and more people are self deporting.

00:50:24.000 Next thing, I bet you'll say that Obama or Clinton deported more people.

00:50:27.000 We did an entire segment on this because people on the right are saying that, and it's factually not true.

00:50:33.000 Well, I never encourage people to vote Democrat in 2022, 2024.

00:50:37.000 Only this is the first year I've told people to vote Democrat.

00:50:40.000 All those other elections, I told people to sit out selectively or all together.

00:50:46.000 But the Georgia Senate runoff, which is, I think, what you're talking about, January 5, 2021, with Leffler and Purdue, you know, this is again, it's like Trump, I think we both agree, got cheated out of that election.

00:50:58.000 Like they stole the election.

00:51:00.000 At the same time, Republicans controlled the state legislature in all the swing states Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, everywhere where that was being adjudicated, Republicans were in control.

00:51:11.000 And they just refused to do anything.

00:51:14.000 They refused to change the slate of electors.

00:51:16.000 And at the same time that they were telling us, We're not going to remedy the election.

00:51:20.000 They were also begging us to vote to hold the line in the Senate.

00:51:23.000 And here I am saying, wait a second, why don't we hold the line in the White House?

00:51:28.000 You're worried about the Senate.

00:51:29.000 And then I would add on top of that, and maybe this is going to be controversial, I actually don't think Republicans are really all that against illegal immigration.

00:51:37.000 I think that Democrats and Republicans maybe wanted the illegals here because there was a significant labor shortage after the pandemic ended.

00:51:46.000 People were slow to return to work, they were being paid too much.

00:51:49.000 And, you know, so you could say, like, If only Republicans had won, then there wouldn't be 10 to 20 million illegal voters in the country.

00:51:55.000 Well, what numbers do you have to back that up?

00:51:57.000 First off, Nick, come on, you did.

00:51:59.000 You told people to sit out or vote.

00:52:00.000 In 2022, you told them to sit out or vote Democrat.

00:52:02.000 And I'll give you 2020, you said you did.

00:52:05.000 But in 2020.

00:52:05.000 No, no, in 2020, I was pro Trump.

00:52:07.000 No, in 2022.

00:52:08.000 Yeah, but in 2022, you told people to sit out or vote Democrat.

00:52:10.000 I remember.

00:52:11.000 I didn't tell them to vote Democrat in 22.

00:52:12.000 I said sit out.

00:52:14.000 No, you said sit out or vote Democrat.

00:52:15.000 In 2020, you did not say vote Democrat.

00:52:17.000 You said we're going to destroy the GOP and to sit out the runoff in Georgia, which is exactly what flipped the Senate, which is exactly what opened the borders and stopped the border wall and led to the woke. 0.99

00:52:25.000 Fucking nightmare that we dealt with, right? 0.98

00:52:27.000 Because if people had gone out, okay, go ahead. 0.99

00:52:30.000 Got a correct record.

00:52:30.000 I got a correct record.

00:52:31.000 In 2020, in the 2020 election, I told people vote Trump.

00:52:35.000 It was only in the runoff in Georgia in January 5, 21, that I said, sit this one out.

00:52:41.000 In 22, you know, I don't remember, it was four years ago.

00:52:43.000 I believe I just said, don't vote Republican.

00:52:45.000 Like 26, it was a big deal for me to say, vote Democrat, because I'm not a Democrat, as you know.

00:52:51.000 And I appreciate you clarifying that.

00:52:53.000 But no, I've only told people to sit out.

00:52:55.000 This is the first year I'm saying punish them.

00:52:57.000 And I guess the larger point is maybe we just disagree on the level of complicity of the Republicans.

00:53:03.000 I think they're utterly complicit because even going back to, and this is formative for me, Trump won in 16 saying border wall.

00:53:12.000 And you remember Republicans wouldn't give them more than $1.8 billion for that little fence in the Rio Grande Valley.

00:53:18.000 And they said, no, no, we're going to focus on Obamacare and the tax cut.

00:53:21.000 We'll do the border wall after the midterms, which they lost.

00:53:24.000 And then they shrugged and said, oh, no.

00:53:26.000 But now be accurate with your audience.

00:53:28.000 Why wasn't the border wall built?

00:53:29.000 Was it for the same reason that it was completely paused after the 2020 midterms?

00:53:33.000 In other words, you say Republicans, do you mean.

00:53:35.000 Democrats, and so they said the perfect is the enemy of the good, and they got done what they could get done at that time.

00:53:41.000 It would be like people in the future saying, he didn't do anything about H 1B visa extensions.

00:53:45.000 Well, sure, because he can't, it'll be blocked 100% by Democrats, maybe 10 to 15, 20% Republicans, but he used the most potent tool at his disposal, right?

00:53:54.000 So you put all this in the same basket.

00:53:57.000 Like Republicans didn't.

00:53:58.000 No, they weren't able to.

00:54:00.000 And in many cases, they weren't able to, especially because you told people to sit out.

00:54:04.000 When you look at what they've been able to do, I don't think these are minute differences.

00:54:08.000 We've both agreed these are the most rightward shifts that we've seen in American policy in modern American history, which brings us back to the risk.

00:54:14.000 I think we both agree the risk of the left, right?

00:54:17.000 You've not had any ill conceived delusions that this is not a risky play.

00:54:22.000 And I appreciate that you're straightforward about that, right?

00:54:24.000 You're not like, at all, this is going to be great.

00:54:26.000 You know, it could backfire.

00:54:28.000 So, what are the concretes?

00:54:30.000 It brings us back to that. 1.00

00:54:31.000 If I'm going to take this risk, because I think that a 99% reduction in border crossings is significant, 87% H 1Bs, I think the Supreme Court cases are significant. 1.00

00:54:41.000 I think, you know, dozens, hundreds of feet of the wall being built is significant, whatever it is. 1.00

00:54:46.000 I think it's significant, but I'm willing to take the risk.

00:54:49.000 This plan will be effective because I need you to walk me through the end of the plan as opposed to hopefully these magic candidates will show up and then you're going to deal with the donor class again and the ground game again.

00:55:02.000 What does it look like?

00:55:03.000 Give me the plan.

00:55:04.000 Yeah.

00:55:05.000 Well, you know, once again, I'll just say first and then I'll get just to respond to the preamble there.

00:55:11.000 It's like, I just grow tired of these games where it's like every cycle there's this excuse.

00:55:16.000 It's like, well, you know, we did this, we couldn't do that, it's politics.

00:55:21.000 You know, and this is just a brief example I'll give.

00:55:24.000 They allocated in the big beautiful bill, what was it, $200 billion, $190 billion for DHS?

00:55:30.000 Significant portion of that goes to ICE.

00:55:32.000 And then they gave up on deportations in January because they said, well, this is not popular for the midterms.

00:55:38.000 Then they launched the most unpopular war in modern history in Iran. 0.50

00:55:41.000 It's like, if you can eat a S word sandwich. 0.65

00:55:44.000 I don't know if you'd swear on this show. 0.84

00:55:45.000 You can swear on this show.

00:55:46.000 You can say whatever you want.

00:55:47.000 It's a rival, for God's sake.

00:55:48.000 I'm not talking about Alex Jones.

00:55:49.000 He's on radio. 1.00

00:55:50.000 So, you know, but you know, they want us to eat a shit sandwich on Iran. 0.99

00:56:00.000 But then on deportations, they go, oh, well, what about the midterms? 0.99

00:56:04.000 So to me, these come across like excuses.

00:56:06.000 But I do want to get into what the plan is.

00:56:09.000 You're right.

00:56:10.000 It's hope.

00:56:11.000 We're hoping for a space to be opened up for a candidate to go in.

00:56:16.000 And there isn't anything specific.

00:56:17.000 I have a candidate in mind, and there's a ground game being built, and things like that.

00:56:22.000 I can't share that information.

00:56:24.000 There's one, there's maybe a couple candidates that I'm looking at.

00:56:28.000 But again, you know how it goes.

00:56:29.000 Unless somebody's ready to announce, you can't really say, oh, so and so is going to run for office.

00:56:33.000 And then, especially because it's me, I can't be the harbinger of whoever the candidate will be.

00:56:39.000 But let's explore that, though, because we both agree, two party system, you need voting blocks, you need coalition.

00:56:39.000 Well, why?

00:56:46.000 So if there are that many people out there who share your view, Shouldn't be a problem for you to endorse anyone.

00:56:52.000 As a matter of fact, that's a net positive.

00:56:54.000 So give us the name.

00:56:55.000 I can't.

00:56:56.000 I can't do that.

00:56:57.000 Once again, it's not somebody that's announced they're running.

00:56:59.000 It's not somebody that maybe even is in contention.

00:57:03.000 But you know how this goes.

00:57:04.000 When you have people that are running for president, they don't say they're not going to make an announcement until they're ready to make an announcement.

00:57:10.000 But usually these people who are developing Republican strategies aren't telling people to vote Democrat in the midterm, right?

00:57:10.000 Well, sure.

00:57:15.000 That's a long game, and you need that answer for people to take it on faith.

00:57:19.000 Otherwise, it's just snake handling.

00:57:21.000 Well, I think that, you know, once again, either way, you can take my word for it or not, but what isn't going to work is Vance and Rubio.

00:57:28.000 Like, that's just.

00:57:29.000 That's a zero win proposition.

00:57:31.000 You could sit there and say, well, but that's better than a Democrat.

00:57:34.000 At least that's concrete.

00:57:35.000 I would say it's concrete that we're going to lose.

00:57:38.000 It's concrete that if we get a continuation of this, we're going to get more of this.

00:57:42.000 And this is not working.

00:57:43.000 So rather than trying something that isn't working, I want to give a chance that something might work.

00:57:48.000 And, you know, if people want to take a leap of faith, then I think that's where they need to go.

00:57:53.000 But, you know, the way it is right now.

00:57:55.000 I guess you would have to define working, right?

00:57:55.000 Not working.

00:57:58.000 So again, this is where, okay, for. 0.89

00:58:00.000 First net negative migration country, right, for over 30 years.

00:58:04.000 See, I dispute that.

00:58:05.000 I don't think that's true.

00:58:06.000 Okay.

00:58:07.000 Go ahead, dispute it.

00:58:10.000 I think to say that it's net negative migration, you have to count self deportations.

00:58:14.000 I've seen a lot of different, and I think those are being overcounted because they took this number from the community survey from the census, which was taken last year.

00:58:24.000 And they basically, there are 65,000 households polled.

00:58:27.000 And they basically said, well, there was a lack of response.

00:58:30.000 From like non residents, non citizens of the United States.

00:58:34.000 And then they use that to extrapolate, well, what was the number?

00:58:39.000 One and a half million people left the country.

00:58:41.000 And then later, by the way, that data got corrected.

00:58:44.000 It was in CIS, Confederation for Immigration, something or other, Center for Immigration Studies.

00:58:51.000 They actually corrected the number with the new 2026 data and said, no, actually, we vastly overestimated how many illegals we thought left the country.

00:59:00.000 So, in other words, they're not, the government keeps track of how many people self deport.

00:59:05.000 That's not the number they're using.

00:59:06.000 They're using this basically a guess based on a survey with a very small sample size to say, well, we think all these people left.

00:59:15.000 And that's just not reliable.

00:59:16.000 So I don't, I don't, that's not a good number.

00:59:19.000 Well, that's not the only number.

00:59:19.000 I don't believe that.

00:59:19.000 Yeah.

00:59:21.000 And you would have a point if that was the only number that people were using.

00:59:24.000 It's not.

00:59:25.000 It is the number that the left wants people to use.

00:59:27.000 And this is why I say, I can, and I get it.

00:59:29.000 You don't like this administration, right?

00:59:31.000 So it would make sense that you would use the numbers of people who are sympathetic to attacking the administration.

00:59:31.000 I understand that.

00:59:35.000 But we also have the CDC.

00:59:36.000 That's the truth.

00:59:37.000 Okay.

00:59:37.000 So am I.

00:59:38.000 And let's assume that we both are.

00:59:40.000 CBP OneApp does have abilities to track.

00:59:42.000 The Brookings Institute, by the way, left leaning, has also estimated zero negative, net negative migration.

00:59:47.000 There are plenty of third party analyses.

00:59:49.000 It's not just one number.

00:59:51.000 It's actually one that's not even being argued because the left is using it as an argument as part of their campaign that, hey, isn't this horrible for immigrants?

00:59:58.000 But okay, let's dispute that one number and just let's even say that it's just one source.

01:00:03.000 I would present them and I'll make this stuff publicly available.

01:00:05.000 I disagree with you. 0.94

01:00:08.000 For example, what we talked about, H 1Bs is a big deal. 1.00

01:00:11.000 Looking at the border being closed 96 to 99%, depending if you also want to use border crossings, asylum claims, refugees.

01:00:18.000 You look at spending cuts.

01:00:19.000 I hear people say nothing.

01:00:20.000 Well, no, it's hundreds of billions of dollars in Doge cuts.

01:00:23.000 And if you want to use a left's point, say actually it's only a few billion dollars.

01:00:26.000 It's not possible if you look at what's happened with NGOs.

01:00:29.000 Medicaid alone.

01:00:30.000 Medicaid alone, just requiring, I think we could agree on this, young, able bodied American males and females who are single with no kids.

01:00:40.000 Working or going to school 80 hours a month.

01:00:44.000 Snap, right?

01:00:45.000 Just no Coca Cola, no Fanta.

01:00:47.000 You're looking at 900 billion plus another 100 something billion.

01:00:51.000 These are not small things.

01:00:52.000 Work requirements.

01:00:53.000 You look at, I mean, obviously energy independence.

01:00:55.000 I know we're going through the war right now, but if you actually look at what we're able to produce in comparison to the Green New Deal, in comparison to pausing leases, this is going to have a serious effect for Americans.

01:01:04.000 H 1Bs, 87% reduction in new ones, DEI in the federal government.

01:01:08.000 You know, if Democrats get the risk too, we won't be able to have this conversation.

01:01:12.000 We both have to agree on that. 0.71

01:01:13.000 If the Democrats seize power, first off, they're going to pack the courts. 0.57

01:01:17.000 People need to know it.

01:01:17.000 This is the plan.

01:01:19.000 They will pack the courts.

01:01:20.000 They want to go to 13.

01:01:20.000 They want to make Puerto Rico a state.

01:01:22.000 They want to grant all illegal aliens and any temporary citizens the right to vote in undue. 0.98

01:01:28.000 Everything, right? 0.96

01:01:30.000 And that would include deplatforming.

01:01:33.000 That's the risk.

01:01:33.000 That's the plan.

01:01:34.000 So we can't just, and I'm not saying you're lying, but we can't just take your word for it to take that risk.

01:01:40.000 You can understand that.

01:01:41.000 Well, here's what I would say to that.

01:01:43.000 I think that every election, the Republican side basically overstates what the Republicans are doing for us.

01:01:50.000 And then I think they exacerbate or overstate the risk of Democrats.

01:01:54.000 This whole like, they're going to pack the courts and make Puerto Rico a state.

01:01:58.000 It's like, Well, they didn't do that under Biden.

01:02:00.000 I don't think they're going to do that this time.

01:02:01.000 And if you believe that they did, why aren't we using the nuclear option?

01:02:06.000 If you really thought Democrats were going to break precedent, pack the courts, make Puerto Rico a state, do this and that, okay, then it's life or death.

01:02:13.000 We have to do everything possible.

01:02:15.000 It is.

01:02:15.000 Then use the nuclear option, okay, and pass the Save Act so that, you know, we could get all these Democrats off the voter rolls and so that we could break the law jam on DHS and get them their money and do the deportations.

01:02:28.000 But it's like, you know, Republicans will act like it's, Life or death, most important election.

01:02:32.000 But then when it comes to nuclear option, they go, oh, we can't do that.

01:02:35.000 Oh, well, we can't do the deportation.

01:02:37.000 Oh, well, you know, this is the best we could do.

01:02:38.000 And it's like, okay, so somebody's not telling the truth here.

01:02:42.000 And I don't think it's you, but I think it's us.

01:02:43.000 I agree with you.

01:02:44.000 There are.

01:02:45.000 There are Republicans who aren't telling the truth.

01:02:47.000 I agree with you.

01:02:47.000 And by the way, they need to be, like, for example, Foone, Cornyn.

01:02:50.000 I mean, screw that guy with a wire brush, right?

01:02:52.000 But we know them by name to throw them all into the same basket and just, it's a constant dismissal.

01:02:52.000 People like that.

01:02:58.000 Like, I don't really think that there are deportations that are enough.

01:03:01.000 I don't really think they're a net negative migration country. 0.99

01:03:02.000 I don't really think that 87% of H1Bs.

01:03:04.000 I don't really think. 1.00

01:03:05.000 It's just executive order, two genders. 1.00

01:03:07.000 I don't really care downsizing the federal government by hundreds of thousands. 1.00

01:03:10.000 I don't really care that housing prices and rent prices are at multi year lows.

01:03:13.000 Those things don't matter because it's not enough when we know that the Democrats will obviously, and this is their plan, they didn't say that we're going to make Puerto Rico a state and pack the court to 13 last time.

01:03:23.000 What they did say is that they were going to go a different direction on immigration, and we got, by our agreement, 10 to 20 million in three and a half years.

01:03:23.000 They're saying that now.

01:03:32.000 That is unsurvivable, and you're recommending that people take that risk.

01:03:37.000 Based on then, what else?

01:03:39.000 Where do we go?

01:03:39.000 So we vote Democrat, we take the risk, but we cut it off at the pass.

01:03:45.000 And?

01:03:45.000 But again, it's like, you can say, well, that's not survivable.

01:03:49.000 Well, we got 10 to 20 million illegals. 0.65

01:03:53.000 Why? 0.73

01:03:54.000 Because Republicans didn't build a wall.

01:03:56.000 And now they're not going out because Republicans won't deport them.

01:03:59.000 So it's like, if Democrats get in, they're going to end the world.

01:04:02.000 That's why we need Republicans to not do anything.

01:04:04.000 No, you're taking what Democrats did and blaming all Republicans.

01:04:07.000 Most Republicans wanted the wall.

01:04:08.000 We voted both.

01:04:09.000 We can't because you also have something known as gridlock.

01:04:11.000 And then you're saying vote for the Democrats who blocked the wall and opened the border.

01:04:14.000 But in 17, we had the House, the Senate, the White House, the Supreme Court.

01:04:19.000 Why didn't they use the nuclear option to just build the wall?

01:04:22.000 It's because the Republicans don't really want to build the wall. 0.99

01:04:24.000 They want the illegals to come here. 0.98

01:04:26.000 And then when the Democrats get in, they can say, oh, shucks, the Democrats brought in all these illegals. 0.90

01:04:30.000 And they, so we're going to deport them, get us elected. 0.95

01:04:34.000 Never mind. 0.94

01:04:34.000 We only want to deport the violent criminals. 0.94

01:04:36.000 Net negative migration is good enough.

01:04:38.000 And it's like, That's the risk.

01:04:40.000 The risk is that we play this game forever.

01:04:43.000 I want to step outside of it, break the matrix.

01:04:46.000 We got to run the Trump playbook from 16, get somebody fresh in.

01:04:50.000 That's my, to me, that's the risk.

01:04:52.000 Not getting someone fresh in.

01:04:53.000 I don't have a problem with getting someone fresh in.

01:04:56.000 As a matter of fact, here's the problem.

01:04:58.000 I actually agree with you in principle on the premise of wanting to get someone fresh in.

01:05:04.000 I don't probably have the disdain for Rubio and Vance.

01:05:07.000 Between the two, I probably would choose Rubio because of.

01:05:10.000 Really?

01:05:11.000 Well, just because I agree with you that the threat of big tech and AI, and I think that's a very uncozy relationship that worries me.

01:05:18.000 But I don't know.

01:05:20.000 They're not ideal.

01:05:21.000 But I still would pick them over a Kamala Harris or a Gavin Newsom.

01:05:24.000 I don't think Gavin Newsom is a Chad.

01:05:25.000 I think Gavin Newsom will be a disaster.

01:05:27.000 I think Gretchen Whitmer would be the worst, but I think they've learned their lesson.

01:05:30.000 They're not going to run abroad, hopefully.

01:05:31.000 She would be the worst thing that could happen to this country, Gretchen Whitmer.

01:05:35.000 But I would like someone else.

01:05:38.000 The problem is your plan guarantees the opposite, historically, without exception.

01:05:45.000 I'm sure you're aware of this.

01:05:46.000 In other words, you're asking people to take a risk.

01:05:48.000 Well, you're aware of the moderate Republican paradox.

01:05:52.000 This goes all the way back to Goldwater.

01:05:55.000 Which is.

01:05:56.000 So it's anytime Republicans lose big.

01:05:58.000 Democrats achieve power, especially when Republicans go further right and they lose big.

01:06:03.000 Democrats attain power.

01:06:05.000 The donor class, who you need to reckon with the donor class as part of your prescription, they immediately go to the most moderate candidate who they think is winnable.

01:06:16.000 So, for example, just using some like after Goldwater, they decided to go with the more moderate Nixon.

01:06:21.000 What happened with Ford over Reagan?

01:06:23.000 If you look at what happened after George Bush, McCain, and then you even look at examples like the Tea Party swinging further right, and then I'm going, oh my gosh, you know what?

01:06:30.000 We need someone moderate to win the general.

01:06:32.000 So, what you're doing historically, with pretty much no exception, is guaranteeing the next John McCain or Mitt Romney.

01:06:32.000 Mitt Romney.

01:06:38.000 I think you're missing one.

01:06:41.000 I think you're missing a notable exception to that.

01:06:43.000 Yeah.

01:06:44.000 But Donald Trump was an outsider, was a Democrat his whole life, right?

01:06:47.000 We have to agree it's an outlier.

01:06:48.000 You're talking about operating within the binary.

01:06:51.000 When Republicans lose big, Democrats are so bad, they go, okay, we can't live under this rule.

01:06:56.000 Historically, they go, let's pick the most winnable candidate.

01:06:59.000 So, you're going to deal with those donors, hundreds of billions, potentially trillions of dollars, in 2028, with who?

01:07:05.000 With what kind of funding and what kind of ground game?

01:07:08.000 Because I also don't want Mitt Romney.

01:07:10.000 For crying out loud, Mitt Romney.

01:07:13.000 Rubio.

01:07:14.000 Rube, what's the.

01:07:15.000 You know, here's the thing is like, if you're saying you're going for Rubio.

01:07:19.000 I didn't say I'm going for Rubio. 1.00

01:07:20.000 I said if I had to pick between the two, because I really don't like the Palantir connection. 1.00

01:07:25.000 I agree with you, is what I was saying. 1.00

01:07:26.000 But, okay, and fair enough.

01:07:28.000 I don't want to mischaracterize your position.

01:07:30.000 However, you must acknowledge the way it's looking, they're going to consolidate behind one or the other.

01:07:36.000 And right now, it looks like Rubio is the donor choice.

01:07:39.000 The Wall Street donors, the pro Israel donors, they're taking informal survey.

01:07:43.000 They want Rubio.

01:07:45.000 And to me, it's like, okay, 10 years after Trump defeated Rubio, New American Century, Mary Madelson's puppet, I think Trump literally said at AIPAC or the Republican Jewish Coalition, he said, you want Rubio because he's your puppet and he'll do whatever you want because he takes your money.

01:08:02.000 He's a Florida creature.

01:08:04.000 He also said Ted Cruz's dad killed JFK.

01:08:05.000 Come on, we know what goes on with primaries with Trump.

01:08:07.000 And one thing I do have to address he's not an outlier.

01:08:10.000 Republicans won in 2014 before Trump paved the way for him.

01:08:12.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:08:13.000 If they win, you can veer them further right.

01:08:15.000 They also won in 2022.

01:08:16.000 If they win, you can veer them right.

01:08:19.000 That's what paved the way for Trump.

01:08:20.000 So it actually proves the point.

01:08:21.000 If Republicans lose, you guaranteed, historically, pave the way for a moderate Republican.

01:08:26.000 It doesn't go the other way.

01:08:27.000 So I'm asking you, and that's what I don't want.

01:08:29.000 That's a big fear of mine, by the way.

01:08:31.000 I don't like, I'm not all in on Rubio or Vance, but I would like to not see someone worse, to not see someone more moderate, to not see a Romney or McCain.

01:08:41.000 That's what we'd be looking at if there's a big Democrat win.

01:08:44.000 You just made my point with Trump, right?

01:08:45.000 He was able to because of 2014 Republican.

01:08:48.000 He probably wouldn't have been able to if you were looking at a Republican loss.

01:08:51.000 It would have been like Goldwater.

01:08:52.000 It would have been like McCain.

01:08:54.000 But you had a Democrat incumbent or a Democrat leaving office, which was Obama.

01:09:00.000 Here's the dynamic the way that I see it Democrats win in 2026, and they're going to sabotage this administration because they're going to impeach Trump.

01:09:10.000 They're going to investigate everybody, and they're going to find embezzlement, corruption.

01:09:14.000 There's some problems in this administration, or at least there's a lot of smoke, let's say, around Howard Lutnick and some of the crypto stuff.

01:09:22.000 And there's a lot that I would even like to see investigated.

01:09:25.000 And So, everybody in the administration is going to be hurt by this, Rubio and Vance included.

01:09:31.000 That weakens them ahead of the primary.

01:09:33.000 If they are toxically associated with the administration, which is failing, failing more under Democrats than to me, that provides an opening for somebody fresh from the outside that says, I'm sort of repudiating Trump's legacy, or maybe even I have some allegiance to Trump's original message in 2016.

01:09:51.000 You know, maybe I'm going to save Trumpism from itself or where it went astray.

01:09:55.000 That's kind of, you know, I don't think we need to get into like Barry Goldwater.

01:09:58.000 That's how I see it.

01:09:59.000 If Republicans are, if Trump is strong going into 28, then his people are strong.

01:10:04.000 They have a better chance of winning the primary, and there's big consolidation.

01:10:08.000 If they're weak, then people are going, oh, I don't know.

01:10:10.000 Rubio and Vance are toxic.

01:10:12.000 They're tied to Trump.

01:10:13.000 They're unpopular.

01:10:14.000 Maybe we need something else.

01:10:15.000 So I think that's the dynamic.

01:10:17.000 I mean, do you disagree and why?

01:10:19.000 Well, if he's strong, wouldn't that suggest that the country's in a good place?

01:10:23.000 Yeah, I do.

01:10:24.000 In a better place.

01:10:25.000 In a better place with Democrats.

01:10:27.000 Right.

01:10:28.000 If Trump is strong.

01:10:28.000 No, no.

01:10:30.000 We're saying if strong going into 28 after people vote Democrat.

01:10:33.000 No, no, no.

01:10:34.000 If Trump is strong, if Democrats don't win big and they're not able to sabotage him, he'll be stronger than he would have been otherwise.

01:10:41.000 So, wait, are you still saying he would be strong because people vote Democrat?

01:10:45.000 No, no, I'm saying he's stronger if Democrats don't win.

01:10:48.000 Right, the midterms.

01:10:50.000 Yeah.

01:10:50.000 Right.

01:10:51.000 Okay.

01:10:52.000 So, how does that play into your plan?

01:10:54.000 And forgive me, it could have been a timeline there where I was confused.

01:10:57.000 I was assuming that we were going along with your plan and Democrats get voted in in 2026.

01:11:01.000 Yeah, Democrats get voted in in 26 and they weaken Trump.

01:11:05.000 Trump is weaker.

01:11:06.000 And by association, everybody else is weaker Rubio, Vance.

01:11:09.000 Because, again, they're going to dredge up all this stuff, and you're not going to be able to run from that because they're going to haul people before the House.

01:11:16.000 They're going to impeach people.

01:11:17.000 It's going to get ugly.

01:11:19.000 And I want them to bring because this administration is a failure.

01:11:22.000 It's an utter betrayal.

01:11:23.000 And I don't think maybe I don't want to say you won't acknowledge.

01:11:27.000 I think you disagree.

01:11:29.000 But they promised mass deportations, and that's not happening.

01:11:32.000 They promised no new wars, and we got a war with Iran. 0.91

01:11:34.000 Like they stabbed us in the back. 1.00

01:11:36.000 So a couple of things there, and I think this is important.

01:11:38.000 We did get it.

01:11:39.000 If you want to predicate it on Democrat numbers, that we don't have deportations or enough, but at least we have some versus mass importations.

01:11:46.000 And I certainly would say, if you looked at the matter of record, that even from left leaning think tanks, institutes, that we are seeing record deportations.

01:11:52.000 We have a net negative migration country.

01:11:53.000 Never thought would happen in our lifetime. 1.00

01:11:54.000 Nobody actually disputes that except for you.

01:11:57.000 I don't think that's a betrayal.

01:11:57.000 Okay.

01:11:58.000 That's not no matter what.

01:11:59.000 I do think a betrayal is saying that you don't care about immigration, which you said.

01:12:03.000 And that's where I need to know do these things matter?

01:12:07.000 Do these things matter to you?

01:12:08.000 Does immigration matter? 0.69

01:12:10.000 Yeah, does immigration actually matter?

01:12:11.000 Because people who care about immigration certainly see this administration as the biggest wins of our lifetime ever, in contrast to that.

01:12:19.000 You're wrong about that.

01:12:20.000 And I'll tell you why. 0.83

01:12:21.000 About immigration.

01:12:22.000 Yes, because there are people in DHS, people in DHS, you know, I talk to people in the administration.

01:12:29.000 I'm sure you do as well.

01:12:30.000 The morale is low.

01:12:32.000 I actually really don't.

01:12:33.000 You're probably more welcome than I am, surprising as it is.

01:12:37.000 You're more congenial.

01:12:40.000 I'm a pretty congenial guy.

01:12:41.000 Thank you.

01:12:42.000 I'm more of a friend.

01:12:44.000 No, you're a good guy, Steven.

01:12:45.000 We're, we get along, but, but in DHS, the morale is super low.

01:12:50.000 They're literally going and telling people. 0.95

01:12:53.000 It's low because of sanctuary cities and people fucking kicking out their taillights and them being hamstrung. 0.93

01:12:59.000 Like, you're sidestepping people creating sanctuary cities. 0.98

01:13:02.000 The left will not deport violent felons in our prison system, Nick.

01:13:07.000 And you're telling people to vote for them.

01:13:09.000 You can't just sidestep them.

01:13:11.000 It's always these excuses like, Republicans are going to give us deportations.

01:13:16.000 Well, no, we can't because sanctuary cities and crime.

01:13:19.000 I didn't say that.

01:13:20.000 They still are in spite of it.

01:13:22.000 Donald Trump gave us an 87% reduction, which you haven't told.

01:13:25.000 You ran billboards. 1.00

01:13:27.000 Are we talking about H 1Bs or illegals right now? 1.00

01:13:27.000 Give me this one. 1.00

01:13:29.000 Both.

01:13:30.000 Because you said last time you were on the show.

01:13:32.000 Because last time on the show, you said, well, who cares about illegal immigration?

01:13:35.000 You accepted the premise because if they're replacing you legally, and you've run billboards on that, and it's the single biggest strides that have ever been made in our lifetime.

01:13:42.000 And you're like, I don't know.

01:13:43.000 That sounds to me like an excuse, Nick.

01:13:45.000 They said mass deportations, not net negative migration.

01:13:49.000 They said mass deportations, largest deportation in history.

01:13:53.000 And by the way, there's people in DHS, they're reaching out to this.

01:13:57.000 Mass deportations project, this mass deportation coalition, because Trump is holding it back.

01:14:03.000 Trump has been convinced by Brook Rollins that we can't deport people from farms.

01:14:08.000 And he's being convinced by Wall Street that we can't deport a lot of people in general from the labor force because it's going to put upward pressure on prices.

01:14:15.000 It's going to hurt the economy.

01:14:16.000 So it's like, let's be honest.

01:14:18.000 Trump is the problem.

01:14:20.000 Trump is slowing down deportations.

01:14:22.000 He doesn't want them.

01:14:23.000 Like they're betraying us.

01:14:24.000 They could do more.

01:14:26.000 They're choosing not to.

01:14:27.000 They walked it back like a hundred times in the past few months.

01:14:30.000 They went to The Trump Doral for their congressional retreat.

01:14:35.000 And the deputy chief of staff said, Don't say mass deportations.

01:14:38.000 That's done.

01:14:39.000 Susie Wiles and the rest of them said it's a course correction.

01:14:42.000 We're shifting gears.

01:14:44.000 We're changing the strategy.

01:14:45.000 We're focusing on violent offenders, violent criminals.

01:14:48.000 There's all this consternation in the White House saying, Oh, Trump is being convinced to approve all these seasonal farm workers.

01:14:54.000 He's being convinced not to do the deportations, only focus on criminals, which, by the way, that's kind of like what Biden was doing, picking people up at prisons that murdered people.

01:15:03.000 That's been going on.

01:15:04.000 That's an Obama policy, but go ahead.

01:15:06.000 Yeah, sorry.

01:15:07.000 Because we both, by the way, have a tendency to kind of, I think your brain works the same way I do, really. 1.00

01:15:11.000 And this bullshit. 1.00

01:15:12.000 And I don't know about you, but it's in my personal life, too. 1.00

01:15:14.000 I'll come home and tell my lady, I'll be like, is this bullshit? 0.99

01:15:16.000 It's kind of like the old man. 1.00

01:15:16.000 She'll be like, okay. 1.00

01:15:18.000 Put him down, like, go grab a drink and come down and play some games.

01:15:21.000 So I wanted to deal with those kind of separately.

01:15:24.000 I understand what you're saying, but you are making the same mistake that the left makes quite often.

01:15:29.000 And what I mean by that is pointing to rhetoric as opposed to policy.

01:15:32.000 So you say, okay, Let's assume, although I just don't agree, there are no record deportations.

01:15:38.000 There are, in comparison to Obama, to Clinton, certainly to Biden.

01:15:42.000 We certainly would have to agree on that because they counted border turnovers.

01:15:45.000 But net negative migration.

01:15:47.000 Okay, that doesn't matter.

01:15:48.000 You're pointing to the rhetoric. 0.96

01:15:49.000 Okay, H 1Bs, that doesn't matter because you're pointing to the rhetoric.

01:15:52.000 You also have to look at other numbers, like, for example, the job growth under Biden entirely to foreign born workers.

01:15:59.000 These numbers also don't lie.

01:16:01.000 Net negative for native born Americans.

01:16:04.000 Precisely under Donald Trump.

01:16:06.000 That is important for particularly young Americans who you have as an audience, right? 0.97

01:16:11.000 We have a youth unemployment that I think we would both agree is directly affected by H 1Bs, cheap labor, illegal immigration.

01:16:17.000 It's bad here.

01:16:18.000 It's worse anywhere the left has power.

01:16:20.000 You're talking about 20% across Europe.

01:16:22.000 You're talking about 15% in Canada.

01:16:24.000 Those numbers also don't lie.

01:16:26.000 Okay, Joe Biden, no Americans hired post COVID, only foreign born workers.

01:16:30.000 First year of Donald Trump, switch.

01:16:32.000 Foreign born workers, their jobs go down, job losses, growth for native born Americans.

01:16:36.000 That in combination does become undeniable in saying these aren't mild differences.

01:16:42.000 This is a major difference.

01:16:43.000 And rhetoric, you know, in having to deal with the media, well, we're going after violent criminals first.

01:16:49.000 Tom Homer was on the show.

01:16:51.000 I guess that would be one of the administrations.

01:16:52.000 He's someone we've had on the show a couple times.

01:16:54.000 He just said, You know, well, of course, we're going after violent criminals, but what are we going to do if we run into someone who's not violent?

01:16:58.000 We're going to deport them.

01:16:59.000 That's our job.

01:16:59.000 They can't be here.

01:17:00.000 We're going to deport them, too.

01:17:01.000 In other words, it gives them some leeway, and the numbers bear that out.

01:17:04.000 It's not even close, Nick.

01:17:06.000 But here's the thing.

01:17:07.000 I mean, you can say it's better than Obama, but have we been fighting for 10 years for all of this for, like, well, we're deporting more people than Obama after they let in 20 million people?

01:17:16.000 No, we voted for mass deportations.

01:17:19.000 We're not even getting a million a year.

01:17:21.000 ICE won't release the numbers because they're embarrassingly low.

01:17:23.000 That's why we have to rely on like census data to extrapolate it and get, well, this, a million people self deported.

01:17:31.000 You know, that's what they promised.

01:17:32.000 And by the way, you're saying it's all rhetoric.

01:17:34.000 Let's look at the policy.

01:17:36.000 After they withdrew from Minneapolis, they said we're done doing raids.

01:17:40.000 They were doing these big operations in Chicago, New York, Minneapolis, where they surged thousands of CBP and ICE into the city.

01:17:47.000 And what they would do is patrols.

01:17:49.000 They would have ICE out on the street, basically looking for illegals, going door to door.

01:17:54.000 What they've done since then is they put body cams on them.

01:17:56.000 They stopped doing these big surges.

01:17:58.000 They stopped doing the patrols and the big raids.

01:18:01.000 And what they've effectively shifted over to, like in New York, for example, is they're only going to go to the prisons.

01:18:06.000 If someone gets arrested for murder, they go to prison, they're not legal, then ICE picks them up.

01:18:11.000 And that's really all that is happening right now.

01:18:14.000 If you wanted mass deportations, what would that look like?

01:18:17.000 Home Depots, farms, meat processing plants, the Hyundai facilities.

01:18:22.000 But what happens when those places get raided?

01:18:24.000 Trump gets a call.

01:18:25.000 He gets a call from Wall Street.

01:18:27.000 He gets a call from Hyundai.

01:18:28.000 He gets a call from Brook Rollins.

01:18:30.000 And they say, stop deporting our farmers.

01:18:32.000 Stop deporting our Hyundai employees.

01:18:33.000 Stop deporting. 0.56

01:18:35.000 And so Trump is effectively protecting our illegal immigrant workforce. 0.56

01:18:38.000 They could deport them. 0.82

01:18:39.000 They're choosing not to.

01:18:41.000 The numbers could be higher.

01:18:42.000 They could be doing raids.

01:18:43.000 They stopped doing them.

01:18:44.000 And they stopped doing them, they said, because of politics.

01:18:46.000 We'll lose the midterms, all this stuff.

01:18:49.000 And I'm just saying, you know, it could be better.

01:18:52.000 It really could be.

01:18:53.000 They're choosing not to.

01:18:54.000 And that's the case.

01:18:55.000 Of course.

01:18:55.000 It could always be better.

01:18:57.000 Things could always be much better.

01:18:58.000 Okay, let's say it could be much better.

01:19:00.000 It's funny they use a meat processing plant because we saw an exact example in, I believe it was Omaha, Nebraska, where then there were Americans lined up when a bunch of people had been raided and people had been raided.

01:19:08.000 And then they shut it down.

01:19:09.000 Then they shut it down.

01:19:10.000 And this happened to them.

01:19:11.000 And they think too.

01:19:12.000 So are you saying that there's an equivalency?

01:19:13.000 In other words, it's not that big of a difference as far as immigration?

01:19:18.000 Yeah, I think it's not meaningful at all.

01:19:20.000 No.

01:19:20.000 That's getting back to.

01:19:22.000 And what about H1B?

01:19:23.000 87%?

01:19:25.000 It's not 100%.

01:19:26.000 It's 87% in new ones, the place he has.

01:19:27.000 Is that significant?

01:19:29.000 No, I don't think so.

01:19:29.000 It needs to go entirely.

01:19:31.000 There needs to be no H1Bs. 1.00

01:19:32.000 Okay. 1.00

01:19:33.000 So 87% reduction is nothing.

01:19:34.000 So we'll go with the party that increases them by 200%.

01:19:36.000 They hit the cap.

01:19:37.000 They hit the cap every year.

01:19:39.000 And by the way, we're going to get more.

01:19:41.000 I mean, Elon Musk and Little Tech are lobbying this administration.

01:19:44.000 So 87%.

01:19:46.000 99% border crossing reduction, not significant?

01:19:49.000 No, there's no wall.

01:19:51.000 We did that in 2020, and then we got 10 million people.

01:19:53.000 We're building the wall now.

01:19:54.000 Well, the wall was stopped again after the midterms, and you've encouraged people to sit out, and the Senate flipped.

01:19:58.000 How much you want to bet?

01:19:59.000 How much you want to bet about the 40 million?

01:20:00.000 It's like over 50 miles?

01:20:02.000 Is that what the wall is over 50 miles and there's another 17 miles of secondary wall?

01:20:05.000 This is just in the very first.

01:20:06.000 It's over 2,000 miles.

01:20:08.000 Yeah.

01:20:08.000 We built how many hundreds of miles in the first term and how many times was it being gridlocked by the Democrats who used to be the ones to vote for?

01:20:13.000 We built about 60 miles of new wall.

01:20:15.000 There's 400 miles of replacement, 50, 60 miles of new wall out of 2,000.

01:20:21.000 How many was in the first term is what we're talking about.

01:20:23.000 Then now we have another 50 plus, call it 75?

01:20:23.000 Right.

01:20:27.000 The first term was 60 new.

01:20:29.000 And this second term, I'll take your word for it.

01:20:31.000 I haven't looked at it.

01:20:32.000 But if it's 70, I mean, then you got a grand total of 130 miles of new wall.

01:20:36.000 It's 5%.

01:20:36.000 Okay.

01:20:37.000 And how many were built under Democrats?

01:20:40.000 And how much of that was done when we had control versus Democrats?

01:20:42.000 That's crazy.

01:20:43.000 We need more.

01:20:44.000 We need more.

01:20:45.000 But the point is, there will be no wall.

01:20:47.000 We know this so far.

01:20:48.000 There isn't a wall.

01:20:49.000 There isn't a wall.

01:20:51.000 Go ahead.

01:20:51.000 Okay.

01:20:52.000 You know, you go ahead.

01:20:52.000 Sorry.

01:20:53.000 No, no.

01:20:53.000 And I understand this, right?

01:20:54.000 I guess we're dealing with like, it's very clear to me that none of these are significant to you, right?

01:21:00.000 Immigration. 0.99

01:21:00.000 Because most people. 0.99

01:21:01.000 It is.

01:21:02.000 It is.

01:21:03.000 If you could, hold on a second.

01:21:04.000 Most people, if you could tell them, look, this is what's going to happen.

01:21:06.000 You're not going to get everything that you want, but you're going to get $1.3 trillion in cuts and proposed cuts.

01:21:06.000 Okay.

01:21:10.000 And you're going to have these, for the first time, entitlement reform.

01:21:12.000 And you're going to have a net negative migration country for the first time since the 1970s.

01:21:16.000 And you're going to have DEI out.

01:21:18.000 You're actually going to have Supreme Court cases where affirmative action, you can't hire, you can't.

01:21:21.000 Admit people in college based on race anymore.

01:21:24.000 And by the way, Medicaid's not going to be paying the trans kids because we're going to have that Chevron case overturned.

01:21:28.000 Okay, if you said, but if you just told people net negative migration before the election, people would have taken that deal.

01:21:35.000 And instead, you're saying hand it over to the people who opened it up.

01:21:38.000 I'm fine with it, with that risk.

01:21:38.000 So let's go back to that.

01:21:40.000 In other words, if you're telling me we can get much better.

01:21:43.000 So the Nick Fuentes plan is we can get 100% deportations, right? 1.00

01:21:47.000 Not 87% H 1Bs. 1.00

01:21:48.000 We can get 100% H 1 done completely. 1.00

01:21:52.000 Guarantee it.

01:21:53.000 We can get Medicaid, not just a $900 billion, all of this, you can get it done because you're going to vote Democrat in 2026.

01:22:00.000 And then I still need concrete.

01:22:03.000 Well, let's just reframe the deal a little bit, okay?

01:22:07.000 Because here's the real deal Republicans say we're going to build a wall, and a wall, they said, Trump said 30 foot concrete structure, 2,000 miles of wall.

01:22:17.000 That was the proposal in January 2018.

01:22:20.000 That's what we had in mind.

01:22:22.000 Well, what you're really going to get.

01:22:22.000 Sure.

01:22:24.000 Is 130 miles of 18 foot steel bollard fencing with a five foot climbing plate after 10 years.

01:22:30.000 Then they say, mass deportations.

01:22:32.000 We're going to deport a million people per year.

01:22:34.000 They don't even release the numbers.

01:22:35.000 According to the New York Times, they deported 230,000 last year.

01:22:38.000 Maybe they arrested 300,000 more.

01:22:40.000 Okay, that's not a mass deportation.

01:22:43.000 You know, you're not even making a dent.

01:22:44.000 Hang on, in just those 10 years.

01:22:46.000 Then you want to say, well, they cut $800 billion in Medicaid to pay for a permanent cut in the corporate tax rate, and they want a $1.5 trillion military for this year alone.

01:22:56.000 And we have a war in Iran that's costing us 50, maybe $100 billion when all is said and done, not to mention the gas prices.

01:23:03.000 So it's like, you know, we're promised all these things.

01:23:06.000 We never get them.

01:23:07.000 And so you're right, it's a huge risk.

01:23:09.000 But I'm saying I'm not going Democrat.

01:23:12.000 I'm not going center right.

01:23:13.000 I'm voting no on both of those.

01:23:15.000 And yeah, I'm hoping that we can open up a space where someone far right can fill it.

01:23:20.000 And you're right, it's a huge risk.

01:23:22.000 You're right, it's totally uncertain.

01:23:24.000 But I think the real risk, again, is, you know, these half measures.

01:23:27.000 I think.

01:23:28.000 Unless we have radical reform, it's either we're getting our head cut off or we're getting cut in half.

01:23:33.000 I'm voting for like maybe there'll be some option where we don't get totally destroyed.

01:23:37.000 And that's all I'm interested in.

01:23:39.000 That's all I care about. 0.92

01:23:40.000 You know, you want to cut around the edges on immigration?

01:23:42.000 Like, it's not going to meaningfully change the demographics of the country. 0.75

01:23:45.000 You know, how many illegals are here?

01:23:47.000 40, 50 million?

01:23:48.000 You want to say, well, we deported a million?

01:23:49.000 It's like, okay, cool. 0.95

01:23:51.000 Like, we're still in this immigrant nation.

01:23:54.000 Yeah.

01:23:54.000 No, well, first off, I'm familiar with that New York Times article that they cited 500,000, and that's not including self deportations, which is the vast majority of them.

01:24:01.000 I get that you say, I don't count it.

01:24:03.000 I don't count self-deward.

01:24:03.000 I don't believe in it.

01:24:04.000 Arrests and removals.

01:24:05.000 So 500,000 arrests and removals.

01:24:07.000 I don't believe in self-deportations.

01:24:08.000 Okay.

01:24:09.000 That's still very different from 10 to 20 million in the span of three years, which you guaranteed will get.

01:24:15.000 Let's assume you don't believe the Democrats clearly laid out plan of packing the courts, of undoing all the decisions, of making Puerto Rico a state, of redistricting.

01:24:24.000 Let's assume you don't believe any of that.

01:24:25.000 Would we both agree for sure, if Democrats attain power, another 10 to 20 million illegals in that term?

01:24:32.000 I really have no idea.

01:24:32.000 I'm not sure.

01:24:34.000 I think it's interesting.

01:24:34.000 Because you're a betting man, Nick.

01:24:36.000 Honestly, no.

01:24:37.000 No, because you know what?

01:24:39.000 So they did it under Biden but learned their lesson?

01:24:41.000 No, and I'll tell you why.

01:24:42.000 Okay.

01:24:43.000 If you look at Davos this year, there was agreement, actually.

01:24:47.000 I think Clinton said this in an interview sometime after this.

01:24:50.000 I believe Hillary Clinton, that is.

01:24:52.000 I believe Bill Gates said something to this effect.

01:24:55.000 They said, because of AI, we don't actually want the irregular migration anymore. 0.78

01:24:59.000 Like, why did they need the illegal immigration in 21, 22, 23?

01:25:03.000 Because there was a labor shortage after the pandemic ended.

01:25:07.000 And so, yeah, I do think actually the tides have shifted.

01:25:09.000 What's more, Democrats?

01:25:11.000 Okay, well, I mean, that's what I'm saying.

01:25:12.000 Well, I hear the thing.

01:25:13.000 I think.

01:25:14.000 No, I understand.

01:25:15.000 I don't agree with their framing.

01:25:17.000 Meaning there wasn't a labor shortage.

01:25:17.000 Oh, okay.

01:25:19.000 And that's what's so distressing about the left, and this is why I can't vote for them.

01:25:22.000 This is how sinister they are.

01:25:23.000 They specifically hired and replaced, and you've talked about this, replaced Americans with third world labor. 1.00

01:25:29.000 Native born American jobs went down after the pandemic, foreign born jobs went up.

01:25:35.000 And it's directly flipped under Trump.

01:25:37.000 So there wasn't a labor shortage.

01:25:39.000 We would both have to agree the Democrats lied. 0.81

01:25:40.000 They wanted cheap labor because ultimately they wanted votes.

01:25:43.000 That's my only disagreement.

01:25:44.000 I think they're just that sinister, and the numbers bear it out.

01:25:46.000 But please continue.

01:25:47.000 I mean, strictly speaking, there was.

01:25:49.000 It's just that there would be two ways to remedy that.

01:25:51.000 I mean, if you had a real labor shortage, what was happening is that all these companies were just increasing their wages.

01:25:56.000 And I remember you drive down the street and you'd see a window in McDonald's and it would say $25 an hour, stipend for tuition, blah, blah, blah, you know, because they wanted to incentivize Americans to return to the labor force.

01:26:08.000 And so, you know, how do you remedy the shortage?

01:26:10.000 You could raise the wages or you could open up the borders.

01:26:13.000 So, in a sense, I suppose we agree.

01:26:16.000 Maybe it's just the semantics about, you know, what constitutes a shortage.

01:26:20.000 But I would say that.

01:26:20.000 No, I don't think it's semantics.

01:26:21.000 I think it's don't subsidize Americans and let wages go up as a product of the free.

01:26:26.000 It's not complicated. 0.99

01:26:27.000 It's a problem that they created on purpose so they could solve by replacing Americans with third world labor. 1.00

01:26:31.000 I don't think it's an accident. 1.00

01:26:32.000 You think it's an accident?

01:26:34.000 No, not that it's an accident.

01:26:35.000 I just think it's just about how you approach the problem.

01:26:38.000 You could erase wages. 0.99

01:26:39.000 Do you believe that Democrats had a proactive approach to replacing Americans with third worlders in order to change the demographics and gain votes? 1.00

01:26:48.000 Because I do. 1.00

01:26:50.000 I think, yes, but, and this is what I think maybe you might miss as more loyal to the Republicans is that the business interests play, which are Republican, play a profound role in opening up the borders.

01:27:03.000 I mean, it's the 1990 Immigration Act, actually, which is what created all these programs, increased the amount of immigrants coming in, and that was lobbied for by the Chamber of Commerce under George Bush because the business interests wanted the labor.

01:27:17.000 So I think there's a two part thing where Democrats, you're right, they want the demographic change, refugees welcome, blah, blah, blah.

01:27:24.000 But it's the Republicans in agriculture and hospitality on Wall Street.

01:27:28.000 They want the cheap labor too for economic reasons.

01:27:31.000 So, you know, you can't say it's all Democrats and not Republicans.

01:27:35.000 Well, no, what I would say is it's no, and I wouldn't say that.

01:27:37.000 And I think we agree.

01:27:38.000 It's all Democrats.

01:27:39.000 I do believe that Democrats in a perfect world would replace you.

01:27:41.000 I think that's why you're America first, right?

01:27:43.000 They want to replace white, Christian, Anglo Saxon Americans with anyone whose vote is easier to buy. 0.86

01:27:49.000 Would we agree with that fundamental premise? 0.97

01:27:51.000 Totally.

01:27:52.000 And then I think some Republicans, people like Bush included, By the way, Reagan really screwed up when you're talking about immigration, as far as business interests or this idea that, right, well, it'll sort itself out through the free market.

01:27:52.000 Totally.

01:28:02.000 The problem is there was so much interference that we now see there are corporate interests that superseded it.

01:28:07.000 We see a very stark contrast between those Republicans and this Trump administration.

01:28:12.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:28:12.000 For the first time, there's been a stark contrast.

01:28:16.000 But I do think the primary problem is exactly what you've said in the past.

01:28:18.000 The left absolutely wants to replace you with a demographic that is easier to manipulate, put on the public dole, grant citizenship, and gain votes.

01:28:25.000 And they did it to the tune of 10 to 20 million.

01:28:27.000 They did not.

01:28:29.000 Fix the labor shortage.

01:28:31.000 What happened is they created the labor shortage, whether it's rent forgiveness, student loan forgiveness, the subsidies, the COVID relief that was going out, knowing that Americans would go back into the workforce more slowly. 0.87

01:28:41.000 Wages were going up, and instead they brought in massive, not only illegal immigrants, but the same reason you ran billboards, H 1Bs, that forever, or forever, for certainly their tenure, and would be forever if not reversed, suppress American wages. 0.87

01:28:56.000 Those are issues for me.

01:28:57.000 I know you said that immigration doesn't matter to you anymore, and I think you were being hyperbolic, but that is to me.

01:29:02.000 Enough of a contrast when I understand the replacement of Americans because we won't have an America anymore.

01:29:09.000 Well, you know, to address that comment, I said that in the context of I think that immigration is one of these issues that has always dangled in front of us out of reach.

01:29:19.000 And they've been, Republicans have been playing this game for 40 years.

01:29:22.000 And it's like you pointed out, even Reagan, we're going to give 3 million amnesty and then we're going to close the border.

01:29:26.000 It doesn't happen.

01:29:27.000 Same thing even with Trump.

01:29:29.000 You know, Trump said we're going to build the border wall.

01:29:32.000 We're, you know, we're going to slow it down.

01:29:33.000 And like, let's be honest.

01:29:35.000 Immigration got really bad in Trump's first term, right up through May, June 2019, until they implemented Remain in Mexico.

01:29:41.000 And then in 2020, they shut it down because of the pandemic.

01:29:43.000 But it's like it was even bad under Trump, one.

01:29:46.000 And then, you know, let's talk about, like, for example, the pandemic induced labor shortage.

01:29:52.000 Who shut down the economy?

01:29:54.000 Who did Operation Warp Speed?

01:29:54.000 Trump.

01:29:56.000 Trump.

01:29:56.000 Who let BLM wreck the cities?

01:29:58.000 Who gave Venezuelans TPS in January 2021?

01:29:58.000 Trump.

01:30:02.000 Trump.

01:30:02.000 And how many of those 10, 20 million were from Venezuela?

01:30:05.000 Now, this is what you do.

01:30:06.000 And I know that you know, look, because you're very.

01:30:09.000 This is clever, but it's just not accurate.

01:30:09.000 You're very smart.

01:30:11.000 And I would say it's disingenuous to say, oh, Trump.

01:30:13.000 Parts of the problem.

01:30:14.000 Because BLM started before Donald Trump.

01:30:16.000 We both know that.

01:30:17.000 And we also know that domestically, hold on a second, domestically, the president doesn't have the same broad authority.

01:30:22.000 And I know you've talked about this.

01:30:24.000 So, for example, whether you agree or disagree with the war in Iran, people saying, like, it's a war crime for any president to carry out a military action.

01:30:31.000 Like, no, we both know that the president has much broader powers as it relates to issues of national security. 0.95

01:30:36.000 That's also why he has much broader powers in dealing with H 1Bs coming in or specifically policy as it relates to people entering the country. 0.59

01:30:43.000 The president doesn't have these broad powers to guarantee funding for a wall, right? 0.99

01:30:48.000 We know that.

01:30:49.000 But the president does have, hold on, the broad powers when you say remain in Mexico.

01:30:53.000 When was that reversed and who reversed it?

01:30:55.000 Wherever he can.

01:30:56.000 Unbinded.

01:30:56.000 Exactly.

01:30:57.000 Whenever he can, like you said, wherever he can through executive order or presidential powers, he's used his most potent tools and he's been gridlocked by the party you tell people to vote for and some, not all, but too many Republicans.

01:31:10.000 So my approach is back to Steele Manning.

01:31:13.000 Yeah.

01:31:13.000 I think you're better off, and historically it's irrefutable.

01:31:16.000 You're better off working within the party that has a voting base that wants something done with immigration to hold them accountable, the primary process.

01:31:22.000 We've actually affected that directly here.

01:31:24.000 Brennan Herrera is going to win.

01:31:25.000 That's just one example.

01:31:26.000 Ken Paxton is.

01:31:27.000 That's one example.

01:31:28.000 Handing it over to Democrats historically guarantees a moderate Republican if you manage to come back for him.

01:31:33.000 So I think we've already gone, you don't have the concretes.

01:31:37.000 You're saying you vote Democrat, so the destruction is concrete, right?

01:31:41.000 The losses are real, they will take place.

01:31:44.000 The wins will.

01:31:45.000 Are hopeful and imaginary.

01:31:47.000 That's my problem.

01:31:48.000 No, I see when you say destruction and all this, let's be very clear.

01:31:52.000 In 2026, if Democrats win, you're going to have a divided government.

01:31:57.000 So I think actually the damage is going to be mitigated in the sense that you'll have a Republican Senate most likely, you'll have Trump in the White House, the Democrats will have the House, and they'll just exercise their oversight power.

01:32:07.000 So as far as destruction is concerned, I think it's relatively contained.

01:32:11.000 And because, and maybe this is like a good clarifier, if it was 2028, And it's going to be.

01:32:18.000 I don't want Democrats to run the table.

01:32:20.000 I don't want a Democrat to be the president at all.

01:32:22.000 I don't want Democrats to control Congress.

01:32:25.000 I think that this is the punch in the face that Republicans need so that in 28, we can be more competitive.

01:32:31.000 That's how I'm looking.

01:32:32.000 Because the damage, let's be honest, is contained.

01:32:34.000 I get that.

01:32:35.000 The damage isn't fully contained.

01:32:36.000 There's a lot of damage that they can do, and we can go through that.

01:32:38.000 It's not fully contained.

01:32:40.000 I think you're understating the risk.

01:32:41.000 But it still does come to the unavoidable fact if we just believe this logistically, right?

01:32:47.000 And of course, I'm not going to vote Democrat.

01:32:49.000 I think you also agree you're going to have a hurdle for a lot of people to vote against their conscience and vote Democrat, right?

01:32:54.000 You know that's going to take a lot of convincing on your part.

01:32:56.000 You still run into the brick wall that if that happens, You're going to get a moderate candidate historically.

01:33:01.000 You're not going to get someone more right wing.

01:33:04.000 It's called the Republican moderate paradox, and it's almost as inescapable as gravity.

01:33:09.000 Now, if you had a plan like, but we're going to punch those donors in the face and have a ground game, awesome.

01:33:15.000 I'm all ears. 0.72

01:33:16.000 Please let me know. 0.95

01:33:18.000 And let me know how you get this guy or gal, I'm assuming it's not a gal. 0.95

01:33:22.000 Please tell me it's not a gal, elected in 2028. 0.65

01:33:26.000 How do you get, let's go to that. 0.62

01:33:27.000 Let's really distill it.

01:33:29.000 Let's assume there's no difference between Republicans and Democrats, and they're so bad that it's exactly the same.

01:33:33.000 You couldn't put any daylight between Biden and Donald Trump.

01:33:36.000 Let's assume that I agree with all that.

01:33:37.000 I don't, but for the sake of argument, how do you get this guy, please not gal, elected in 2028? 0.73

01:33:45.000 Well, like I said, I don't believe in this moderate Republican paradox that you're talking about. 0.85

01:33:50.000 I think if Republicans lose the midterms, they're going to be weakened.

01:33:54.000 Like, you can't argue that they're going to be stronger having lost the midterms than weaker.

01:33:59.000 Vance and Rubio will be weakened after the fact.

01:34:01.000 I'm not arguing that.

01:34:02.000 And weaker Republicans look for a winnable candidate who they view as moderate.

01:34:05.000 The donor class will do that, guaranteed.

01:34:07.000 They will. 0.90

01:34:07.000 The donor class. 0.90

01:34:09.000 Okay, but the donor class is lining up behind Vance and Rubio.

01:34:12.000 Okay, so they still will.

01:34:13.000 How do you deal with that?

01:34:13.000 How do you get your guy elected in the polls?

01:34:14.000 And they will be weaker.

01:34:15.000 I think we need a grassroots campaign in those early primary states in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Nevada.

01:34:23.000 And let's also just talk about the architecture of the race.

01:34:25.000 It's going to start relatively early.

01:34:27.000 We need somebody to announce, get up to that 1, 2, 3% threshold to get on the debate stage.

01:34:33.000 And then we're going to need someone to get on the debate stage and just. 0.99

01:34:36.000 Kick ass. 0.97

01:34:37.000 Go up there against Vance and Rubio and say what's going on. 0.99

01:34:41.000 And then hopefully we're going to make a blitz in all 99 counties in Iowa, go to New Hampshire, South Carolina, Nevada.

01:34:48.000 And if we have something viable, then you go on into the future.

01:34:50.000 It's basically the Trump playbook.

01:34:52.000 I mean, you can say, well, you don't have a billion dollars lined up for the general or you don't have a plan here.

01:34:58.000 But Trump did it.

01:34:59.000 Trump did it in 2016.

01:35:01.000 He had like a few guys just started doing rallies, self funded some money in the very beginning, went on the debate stage, and then it just was off to the races.

01:35:10.000 And I think that.

01:35:10.000 We have to be open for something like that to happen.

01:35:13.000 Yeah.

01:35:14.000 So, did they have a ground game?

01:35:15.000 I don't believe they did.

01:35:16.000 A couple of things.

01:35:18.000 First off, it sounds to me like you're talking about then at that point engaging in the primary process, right?

01:35:22.000 You're saying get this.

01:35:23.000 Oh, yes.

01:35:24.000 Yes.

01:35:24.000 So, why haven't you taken part in any of these primary processes now?

01:35:29.000 I haven't really seen anybody that I like.

01:35:32.000 I like Thomas Massey, but I think that I might hurt him more than help him.

01:35:35.000 I like James Fish back in Florida.

01:35:37.000 We wanted somebody to run against Vivek, but there wasn't a good candidate in Florida.

01:35:41.000 Do you think he's going to win?

01:35:42.000 Be honest.

01:35:44.000 I don't think his odds are great.

01:35:47.000 I know it's a tough question.

01:35:48.000 Sorry, I didn't mean to play in this one.

01:35:50.000 No, it's fine.

01:35:51.000 But that's the thing.

01:35:52.000 And I said this on my show the other night, or maybe I said it in private.

01:35:55.000 I'm not sure actually.

01:35:57.000 Isn't it tough how that works with our lives?

01:35:58.000 You're like, did I say that on air?

01:35:59.000 Did I say that?

01:36:00.000 I'm like, did I say this in a group chat?

01:36:00.000 Yeah, right.

01:36:02.000 But the problem with the primary is, like, Groypers and far right people are not the majority.

01:36:08.000 I was telling my fans this.

01:36:09.000 But they need to be for your plan to work in 2028.

01:36:11.000 No, they don't.

01:36:13.000 Because here's the difference.

01:36:15.000 If you're, like, let's say you're in Ohio.

01:36:17.000 Okay, perfect example.

01:36:18.000 If it's Vivek and another guy, you need the Groyper guy to get 50% of the votes in Ohio.

01:36:25.000 And Groyper's are all like young white men, very engaged, very online, maybe punched disproportionately outside their weight class, but it's a small contingent.

01:36:34.000 So we're not going to get 50% of the Republicans in Ohio in a two way race.

01:36:38.000 But if it's a Democrat versus a Republican, let's say it's 50 50 neck and neck.

01:36:42.000 If we could push it 1% or 3%, we can flip it.

01:36:46.000 Now, the primary in 2028.

01:36:48.000 But how are you going to do it, though?

01:36:50.000 Because here's the, and this is my problem because you're like, well, I don't want to endorse anyone because it's going to hurt them. 1.00

01:36:54.000 And the Groypers aren't big enough. 1.00

01:36:55.000 Okay. 1.00

01:36:56.000 But so that's why I haven't taken part in the primaries.

01:36:58.000 And that's why you haven't enacted this plan.

01:36:59.000 Now, you've told people to sit out, in some cases, implied vote Democrat or run billboards.

01:37:03.000 So this is not new, right?

01:37:04.000 You've done it three election cycles, something similar to this.

01:37:07.000 And I understand what you're saying, by the way.

01:37:09.000 I don't want my endorsement to hurt anyone. 1.00

01:37:10.000 Groypers are not popular enough. 1.00

01:37:12.000 But that will be different. 1.00

01:37:13.000 You will endorse Mount A Ground Game, and there will be enough of you in 2028 after Democrats seize control.

01:37:21.000 How?

01:37:22.000 Well, here's the thing, okay?

01:37:24.000 In Ohio, what we're doing is we're going to go for the Democrat, and we are going to endorse the Democrat.

01:37:29.000 We're going to go all in.

01:37:30.000 In 2028, I think there is going to be an appetite for. 0.98

01:37:34.000 The COVID architect, Jew, just to be clear. 1.00

01:37:36.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:37:37.000 I think.

01:37:37.000 Hell yeah.

01:37:38.000 Do you think that she's going to be worse than Vivek?

01:37:40.000 Yeah.

01:37:41.000 Because I don't.

01:37:42.000 I think she'll be worse in terms of governance, but I think that in terms of overall impact, it's far worse for us if Vivek wins.

01:37:49.000 Because what it signals to the GOP is that, you know, we'll vote for anything, we'll vote for an anchor baby.

01:37:54.000 Who hates Americans, who's part of Little Tech.

01:37:56.000 So, yeah, I'm willing to forfeit Ohio for four years if it means we send Vivek back to the kitchen.

01:38:02.000 Can I pause you for one thing?

01:38:03.000 Just because Ohio is a different breed.

01:38:06.000 Okay.

01:38:07.000 Ohio is a rare bird because they had Kasich, for God's sakes.

01:38:10.000 Ohio will vote for anybody. 0.96

01:38:11.000 It's a weird freaking place. 0.97

01:38:14.000 I can't believe the most unlikable human being alive in Kasich who thought he had a chance in the national. 0.98

01:38:19.000 So, let's just agree that Ohio is a bizarre place. 0.96

01:38:21.000 Sure, their state legislature leans red, but you want to talk about feckless Rhino City? 1.00

01:38:25.000 That is Ohio. 1.00

01:38:27.000 It's bizarre. 0.86

01:38:28.000 But yeah, I still do think that Vivek would be better than the COVID architect feminist who also is Jewish for the Greiper people. 0.96

01:38:36.000 See, I mean, well, and I don't even mind. 0.89

01:38:38.000 Dan Bilzerian got on my case.

01:38:38.000 That's the thing.

01:38:38.000 It's funny.

01:38:40.000 He's like, she's a Jew, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

01:38:41.000 I'm like, okay, but there's more going on here than that. 0.96

01:38:45.000 I know.

01:38:46.000 It's a bigger thing.

01:38:46.000 I know.

01:38:47.000 Yeah, and I know you and I maybe agree on that.

01:38:50.000 But the thing is, to me, Vivek, and maybe you'll cringe at this, you're not wrong.

01:38:57.000 Vivek would be arguably a more effective governor.

01:39:01.000 Than a Democrat.

01:39:02.000 However, if we accept him, does that not send a message to the GOP that we're accepting this little tech?

01:39:09.000 Because Vivek is involved with all these people, went to Yale Law School with Vance.

01:39:14.000 They're looking at opening up this Andoril factory in Ohio, making the push for these government contracts.

01:39:20.000 Like you're sending a message that the post Trump GOP is going to be shaped by people like Vivek, which is decidedly, I mean, he's basically against everything that Trump ran on in 16.

01:39:30.000 Because Trump runs in 16 saying, The reason this country is dying is because the globalists sold us out on trade, immigration, foreign policy.

01:39:39.000 Vivek is saying, no, this country's failing because you're lazy and you did too many sleepovers and you went to prom and you watched Save by the Bell.

01:39:46.000 And it's like, you're blaming Americans for policy decisions.

01:39:49.000 Nick, you're talking to the wrong guy.

01:39:51.000 You're talking to the wrong guy.

01:39:52.000 You're talking to the guy who got into a shouting match with Vivek here in the studio over race, to be clear.

01:39:57.000 I am no fan of Vivek.

01:39:58.000 He wants to win.

01:39:59.000 No, I'm not.

01:40:00.000 I would vote for him over the COVID architect who will destroy the state.

01:40:03.000 But again, Ohio is very different.

01:40:05.000 Than the rest of the country, but this isn't a primary strategy, right?

01:40:08.000 You're not just talking about Ohio.

01:40:09.000 You're talking about Democrats across the board, like you have in 2020, 22, 24.

01:40:13.000 And I'm still not getting that.

01:40:15.000 Yeah, okay, Vivek, that.

01:40:16.000 I would be, by the way, I would be hard pressed to not leave it blank in Ohio.

01:40:21.000 I'm precluded from voting for someone who's part of the party that will literally kill me, but I am with you.

01:40:28.000 I got in.

01:40:29.000 Did you ever see my argument with Vivek?

01:40:30.000 I see.

01:40:30.000 He was like, Well, why can't I say it?

01:40:32.000 Why can't we talk about Americans and what we should be?

01:40:34.000 I said, I can tell you why you can say it and other people can't.

01:40:36.000 He goes, What?

01:40:37.000 I said, Because you're brown.

01:40:39.000 Oh, that's such a cop out. 1.00

01:40:40.000 I said, No, it's not a cop out.

01:40:41.000 I'm telling you that if I'll say it, but I'll say anything, but other people say it, it'll be an accusation of white privilege. 0.96

01:40:47.000 It's because you're brown. 0.94

01:40:49.000 And you need to acknowledge it. 0.89

01:40:50.000 And he got into a shouting match and got all indignant. 0.98

01:40:52.000 And I was like, screw this guy. 0.86

01:40:53.000 And I haven't had him on since. 0.92

01:40:54.000 So you're talking to the wrong guy if you think that I love Vivek.

01:40:57.000 I am saying, however, if in a situation with a Vivek and an Amy, I always forget Amy Acton, I always want to say Cantor. 0.72

01:41:05.000 That's probably like just a Semitic stereotype in my mind.

01:41:09.000 Like, hey, Amy Cantor, that's a diner. 0.93

01:41:12.000 At that point, I look at the platform, the platform of, okay, still increasing by hundreds of percent H1Bs, decreasing new H1Bs by 87%.

01:41:20.000 There's a guardrail there, considering the risk of voting Democrat and what they've done that can be worked within effectively.

01:41:28.000 But we're not talking about just Ohio.

01:41:30.000 You were talking about across the country, midterms, voting Democrat.

01:41:34.000 So it still does come back.

01:41:36.000 And I don't think that you begrudge me for asking for concretes because I know that you asked Bill Zarian from it.

01:41:41.000 Now, to be fair, that wasn't fair.

01:41:43.000 I don't know that Bill Zarian can give concretes on anything to anybody.

01:41:47.000 But I do require them because I'm the guy who's like, how do we.

01:41:51.000 Undo the Vivek.

01:41:52.000 How do we undo the Mitt Romney's?

01:41:54.000 Now, I thought we made some progress with people like Trump, with people like Brennan Herrera, with people like Ken Paxson, where I was like, this is some momentum, right?

01:42:00.000 It's in the right direction.

01:42:01.000 Power can corrupt.

01:42:03.000 But I'm all ears. 0.61

01:42:04.000 I need the concretes to vote Democrat, though. 1.00

01:42:08.000 You don't, though.

01:42:09.000 Because I think the far greater risk is that we get Vance and Rubio.

01:42:09.000 You don't.

01:42:12.000 I think that, to me, that's unacceptable.

01:42:15.000 I'm not going to go for that.

01:42:17.000 JD Vance voted for Evan McMullen.

01:42:20.000 Marco Rubio.

01:42:21.000 Is Marco Rubio.

01:42:22.000 If after 10 years, 12 years of Trumpism, that's what we get, I'm going somewhere else.

01:42:28.000 Like, I'm not, like, I can't vote in the election.

01:42:31.000 Vietnam, Serbia, I'll go to a non extradition country where they can't get me.

01:42:38.000 Well, they can always get you, but maybe they can't ask to bring you back.

01:42:41.000 Yeah.

01:42:43.000 You know, but that's the thing.

01:42:44.000 It's like, to me, those are unacceptable. 0.97

01:42:46.000 So I want to hurt them as much as I can, burn the boats, and open up a space for someone else. 0.96

01:42:52.000 And you're right, there's no concretes, but. 0.98

01:42:54.000 We have to allow for the possibility that that will happen.

01:42:58.000 Yeah, I think in the face of allowing for a possibility when guaranteed we will have open borders, the courts will be packed, and we lose our country.

01:43:05.000 So, in other words, on one hand, we guaranteed lose the country.

01:43:07.000 There's no doubt about that.

01:43:09.000 On the other hand, we see the incremental improvements.

01:43:11.000 I think we agreed here.

01:43:12.000 Let me go back to this.

01:43:14.000 And I appreciate you taking the time, by the way.

01:43:15.000 Absolutely, yeah.

01:43:16.000 We agreed on the institutions.

01:43:19.000 And I think that we would probably both agree that cultural institutions are probably more important than political ones long term.

01:43:27.000 That's my view.

01:43:28.000 Comparable, but in other words, they shouldn't be overlooked.

01:43:32.000 How long did that take place? 0.87

01:43:33.000 Like, how long did it take for the left to completely control academia, media, the entertainment industry?

01:43:40.000 Like, you're talking about anywhere from 90 to big tech outside of when they saw the writing on the wall in the last election, right?

01:43:45.000 We know these people are not conservatives.

01:43:48.000 I mean, I would say, okay, started in the 1930s, accelerated through the 60s, meaning the encroachment, the seizing of institutions, the change from the left has been consistent, it's been incremental, it's been subversive.

01:44:00.000 And I bet you they're saying, thank God we didn't blow it all up.

01:44:04.000 Wouldn't the change, the revolution for the positive, even though it's accelerated at a much more rapid rate than that, wouldn't we need to accept that change is incremental as well?

01:44:13.000 Because we bitch about their power over institutions, but don't seem to have the spine to play the long game and to fight the war of attrition.

01:44:22.000 I see, I would be inclined to believe that.

01:44:25.000 However, I think that, you know, how long has it been, honestly?

01:44:31.000 You know, I mean, where do you want to start the timer?

01:44:34.000 Is it when Trump won the election in 16 or is it 2000 or is it, you know, 1990?

01:44:39.000 I mean, where do you want to draw the line exactly?

01:44:41.000 Because I'm talking about the left being very unified.

01:44:45.000 I think we agree with.

01:44:46.000 The left is far more unified, and the left will get in line.

01:44:48.000 I mean, that's how you end up with a crazy broad-lit Kamala Harris without a primary.

01:44:52.000 People are like, no, actually, we think she's great.

01:44:54.000 They're unified, and they make incremental progress.

01:44:56.000 And by the way, that's a tenet of Marxism, subverting institutions.

01:45:01.000 And conservatives are not.

01:45:03.000 Conservatives are not.

01:45:04.000 So let's go from the 60s, right?

01:45:05.000 It goes back to the 30s, but McCarthy was right about a lot.

01:45:09.000 Not everything.

01:45:09.000 A few people lost a couple of commercial gigs.

01:45:11.000 But yeah, they took over every institution by design, said, this is going to be systematic, it's going to take a while.

01:45:19.000 And people on the right go, I don't have everything at once.

01:45:22.000 So let me work with those who seized power over all these institutions.

01:45:28.000 I just feel like we've tried it that way.

01:45:30.000 I mean, it's been so Trump is going to leave office in 2029 regardless.

01:45:34.000 He came down the escalator in 15.

01:45:36.000 So got elected in 16.

01:45:39.000 Republicans win the Senate in 14.

01:45:41.000 So it's like, let's say from Republicans winning the Senate in 14 until 2029, that's 15 years.

01:45:48.000 Has anything gotten better in that time? 0.88

01:45:49.000 Like we're in a war with Iran. 0.99

01:45:51.000 Well, yeah, I would say that's where we go back to. 0.60

01:45:53.000 Let's just talk about institutions.

01:45:55.000 Let's talk about culturally.

01:45:57.000 Media.

01:45:58.000 The fact that you and I are having this conversation, that's huge.

01:46:01.000 This wouldn't happen just four or five years ago.

01:46:04.000 Let's call it six years ago. 0.92

01:46:07.000 Racially based admissions in college. 0.56

01:46:09.000 That took a Supreme Court, by the way, a slow walk boom.

01:46:11.000 Done.

01:46:12.000 Also, DEI in not only the federal government, but in any institutions that are subsidized federally.

01:46:18.000 That's a big one, right?

01:46:19.000 This lays the groundwork.

01:46:20.000 The media now, legacy media, who controlled a lot of information, Is irrelevant.

01:46:25.000 And I will tell you my approach outside of just discussing yours.

01:46:28.000 People will often ask me, Hey, should conservatives do what the left did?

01:46:32.000 Should people on the right, America First, do what the left did and try and go into jobs, for example, in media or in academia?

01:46:39.000 And I've said, No, no, no.

01:46:40.000 The point now is to continue to accelerate their descent into irrelevancy because now there are ways to sidestep it.

01:46:47.000 Just, we need to accelerate the irrelevancy of a degree from an Ivy League school.

01:46:51.000 So those institutions are no longer relevant.

01:46:53.000 We need to accelerate the irrelevancy, for example, of And we're already seeing it, but ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, we see it with you getting bigger numbers than whoever the hell, Brian Stelter, completely straight on CNN right now.

01:47:04.000 It's a slow walk, and now these are rapid accelerations and overtaking cultural ground.

01:47:10.000 That's why you're as influential as you are.

01:47:12.000 That's why we're able to have this conversation.

01:47:14.000 It's not a small thing, but there does need to be some unity in a common enemy, and that's why I started this with is it the left, those who hate America?

01:47:23.000 Because those are undeniable.

01:47:26.000 Big wins.

01:47:27.000 Well, yeah, you're not wrong about the left being the enemy.

01:47:31.000 To me, it's just a question of who will fight them.

01:47:34.000 And I want a better right.

01:47:36.000 I think that the right is not really putting up a real fight with the left.

01:47:40.000 I actually don't even know that there's a huge distinction between the right and the left.

01:47:44.000 And I know you disagree with that and you think there's like a big difference, but I think that they've kind of been holding hands, walking us down the same path for a very long time, which is in terms of the big picture it's free trade, it's the foreign wars, it's the mass migration.

01:47:58.000 Social conservatism is sort of dead. 1.00

01:48:01.000 I mean, if we're going to draw the line at trannies without parental consent, the line's very far. 1.00

01:48:06.000 The very conservatism isn't dead. 0.99

01:48:08.000 Trump wanted in the SAVE Act, they said, we're not going to let kids transition unless their parents allow them to.

01:48:14.000 No, no, no, but I'm talking about culturally.

01:48:15.000 The views on abortion have actually become far more moderated, especially in the wake of Dobbs, Roe v. Wade.

01:48:20.000 If you look at the public perception of transgenderism, that's changed dramatically. 0.96

01:48:24.000 If you look at the public perception, cancel culture, remember, that's no longer a thing. 0.81

01:48:28.000 Also, on that one, Trump said it backtracked immediately after backlash because he's responsive to them.

01:48:31.000 But no, this is the social conservatism, actually, in a lot of ways, people, there's a resurgence in it.

01:48:37.000 I know because you've discussed it, you see what they call the manosphere.

01:48:40.000 People like Andrew Wilson out there, people wanting to solve the problem of marriage because that is an issue.

01:48:46.000 People wanting families.

01:48:48.000 The very fact that people are saying, hey, the American dream is out of reach is because they've realized that they've been sold a false bill of goods through these institutions, right?

01:48:55.000 Be a boss, babe.

01:48:56.000 Go out. 0.99

01:48:57.000 Be promiscuous. 0.73

01:48:58.000 Like, well, I don't want that. 1.00

01:48:58.000 Have your abortions. 1.00

01:49:00.000 But houses are still too expensive. 1.00

01:49:01.000 And I would agree.

01:49:02.000 They're coming down, but they're still too expensive.

01:49:03.000 I would not agree at all that social conservatism is dead.

01:49:07.000 It's certainly much more mainstream and acceptable than it was when I was, you know, A teenager.

01:49:12.000 I disagree.

01:49:13.000 I think you look at the GOP now, they're religiously pluralistic.

01:49:16.000 You know, they have all these like Hindus involved, like Charlie Kirk wanted to call it ethical monotheism is like the new credo, so we can incorporate all these other traditions.

01:49:25.000 You have the Trump administration's pro IVF.

01:49:28.000 They're not fighting on gay marriage. 0.64

01:49:30.000 They have all kinds of gay people in the administration.

01:49:32.000 They're not fighting on abortion. 0.96

01:49:33.000 They overturn Roe.

01:49:34.000 Now they don't want to do anything more about it. 1.00

01:49:36.000 And then even with the transgenders, it's like to me, that's the furthest, most extreme reach, and they're barely able to draw a line on that. 0.73

01:49:43.000 They're not fighting feminism at all. 0.97

01:49:45.000 You think about the party 20 years ago, and there was like a moral majority, and you had these like extremely Christian.

01:49:52.000 Sure, but even under the Bush administration, now I feel like they've just kind of given that up.

01:49:57.000 And now this administration is like, not everybody's Christian. 0.95

01:50:01.000 Like I said, you've got some of these deviants involved.

01:50:04.000 So you have to admit that that's not really as much of a part of the platform as it was under Reagan or Bush, Bush one or two.

01:50:13.000 It is a much less socially conservative party.

01:50:15.000 You just skim past.

01:50:16.000 Dobbs, Roe v. Wade overturned.

01:50:17.000 Like, you skimmed past that. 0.96

01:50:19.000 That's monumental.

01:50:21.000 Yeah, I mean, that is a turn on everything.

01:50:23.000 It's not everything, but it is the single biggest, most impactful policy on abortion, which, by the way, we all assumed was a foregone conclusion in a degenerate society.

01:50:33.000 It came as a shock, and it was such a shock, the left rallied behind it, right?

01:50:38.000 Can we just, like, you can't skim past that?

01:50:41.000 It's not perfect, but that's a huge change.

01:50:44.000 I mean, to me, it's not a question of perfect.

01:50:46.000 It's just when you look at the overall climate, like, is this Republican Party asking?

01:50:51.000 Christian as it was 20 years ago? 0.68

01:50:52.000 Absolutely not. 1.00

01:50:54.000 Would you argue that?

01:50:56.000 I think young people are absolutely more Christian receptive.

01:50:59.000 And when you look at church attendance, particularly in more traditional denominations like Catholicism and Orthodox, I know people will argue that they're not growing as fast, but they are growing quite a bit, especially among young men.

01:51:09.000 Yeah.

01:51:10.000 When I was a teenager, you know, I'm in my 30s.

01:51:12.000 Yeah, it was Rock Against Bush, right?

01:51:14.000 Swastika on his head.

01:51:15.000 By the way, Left has done that with every single person.

01:51:17.000 And it was a non starter.

01:51:20.000 There was no Christendom.

01:51:22.000 If you showed up in a film, you were the serial killer. 1.00

01:51:23.000 Killer.

01:51:23.000 This idea was just women's choice, my body, and you had to sidestep it and say, well, if there's, there was no thought that Roe v. Wade would actually be overturned.

01:51:32.000 It was a pie in the sky dream.

01:51:34.000 So, yeah, I would argue that certainly with younger people, they are significantly more Christian than even those who used to, it used to be a libertarian thing.

01:51:42.000 Like it used to be a Tucker Carlson lookalike convention at CPAC stuff.

01:51:46.000 This is pre fly fishing Tucker, you know, bowtie Tucker era.

01:51:50.000 So, yeah, I think with young people, they're definitely more, if not Christian, but Christian receptive.

01:51:53.000 And traditionalists?

01:51:55.000 To me, I mean, I guess overall, I'm just not as impressed with the progress that we've made over the past couple of decades.

01:52:01.000 Maybe that's the difference.

01:52:02.000 As you sort of look at his glass half full, like, well, at least we got row, and at least we're trying to do these things, and hey, it's incremental and it takes time.

01:52:10.000 And me, I feel like we're staring down the barrel of a gun where it's like, we're about to become a minority as white people. 0.55

01:52:15.000 The immigration thing, it's already kind of been done to us. 0.64

01:52:19.000 We need something radical and urgent because otherwise it's going to be a slow descent, and that's not a victory. 1.00

01:52:26.000 But what'll it fix?

01:52:27.000 So let's assume, and I can't, but let's assume you have the concretes, the roster.

01:52:32.000 That was my first question.

01:52:33.000 It'll still be my one.

01:52:34.000 Roster funds ground game.

01:52:35.000 Okay, you get that guy in. 0.98

01:52:37.000 You're still going to run into 100% of the Democrat Party opposing it, and you're still always going to have some Republicans who are useless. 0.95

01:52:43.000 So let's assume you do that.

01:52:45.000 How does that get you radical change within two years, like you demand, or you basically sabotage them?

01:52:51.000 See, but this is a straw man.

01:52:52.000 It's not about two years.

01:52:53.000 This is Trump's second term.

01:52:55.000 This is Trump's second term.

01:52:57.000 Republicans have been in control since 2022 of the House and the Senate.

01:53:01.000 So it's like this has been, it's not like we said, oh, you got two years.

01:53:05.000 I gave him two years in 2016.

01:53:07.000 And they did nothing.

01:53:07.000 And then we said, okay, 2018.

01:53:09.000 Can you say nothing again?

01:53:10.000 Can you say he didn't do as much as you would like, but not nothing?

01:53:13.000 He didn't build a wall.

01:53:14.000 They didn't repeal Obamacare.

01:53:16.000 Then they cut the corporate tax rate by 10%.

01:53:19.000 So it's like meaningfully, what did they really do?

01:53:21.000 They didn't, you know, legal immigration was really bad.

01:53:24.000 So it's like, you know, again, it's not two years.

01:53:26.000 It's been a long time coming.

01:53:29.000 Well, at the point we had the vote was on the economy, and it was the rip roaringest economy that we had seen in our lifetime.

01:53:29.000 And so I would just.

01:53:35.000 These are narratives they give us.

01:53:36.000 Well, also when people vote on immigration, when people vote on the economy and they run on those.

01:53:40.000 Platforms, they are held accountable to those platforms.

01:53:42.000 You said they care about the platform of immigration, which was the big issue this time.

01:53:47.000 The first election, it was entirely about the economy.

01:53:49.000 So if you want to say, okay, record low inflation where we actually saw employment come back, onshoring jobs, that's nothing, you can say it, but be honest with people and say that doesn't mean anything to you, just like immigration doesn't mean anything to you now.

01:54:02.000 Just be honest.

01:54:03.000 Don't want to say that.

01:54:04.000 That's dishonest to say, obviously, I care about immigration, but 2016 was about build the wall.

01:54:09.000 They didn't.

01:54:10.000 They fed us this line and said, well, we need to fix the economy first so we could win the midterms.

01:54:14.000 Okay, well, then you lost the midterms and then we never got a border wall.

01:54:18.000 It's like, so, you know, this is what I'm talking about.

01:54:20.000 It just never gets done and never happens.

01:54:23.000 If we win, well, we don't have enough power.

01:54:25.000 If we lose, well, we weren't in power.

01:54:27.000 It's like, okay, so when do we get the border wall?

01:54:30.000 When do we get the deportations? 0.95

01:54:31.000 When do we not go to war with Iran? 0.74

01:54:33.000 When do we not spend $2 trillion on the military? 0.95

01:54:35.000 Like, that's the thing.

01:54:36.000 So I want to try somebody that's actually going to do what they promised to do.

01:54:41.000 Who?

01:54:43.000 Someone will rise up.

01:54:45.000 And you will see.

01:54:46.000 And you'll be very happy.

01:54:47.000 It didn't happen in the other ones, but it'll happen this time.

01:54:47.000 That's the pitch.

01:54:50.000 It didn't happen in 2020.

01:54:50.000 It didn't happen in 2022.

01:54:52.000 It didn't happen in 2024, but it'll happen this time.

01:54:54.000 22 is an off year.

01:54:55.000 It happened in 2016.

01:54:57.000 It's about the primaries, but yeah, because you've advocated this or sitting out, and that's a problem.

01:55:02.000 And here's the thing I want, right?

01:55:04.000 I'm sure you remember the Tea Party.

01:55:06.000 I want a more conservative Republican Party.

01:55:08.000 But I also look and go, okay, Rubio, for example, so you mentioned the Christian thing, standing up, creating a video singularly about returning to Christian roots.

01:55:15.000 For Day of Prayer, citing One Nation Under.

01:55:17.000 And you say it doesn't mean anything.

01:55:18.000 Speech.

01:55:19.000 Well, just like you just cited speech instead of policy as it relates to immigration.

01:55:24.000 Like they're saying this.

01:55:25.000 Yeah, but the H 1B numbers don't reflect that.

01:55:27.000 So in this case.

01:55:28.000 They're not doing the raids.

01:55:29.000 They're not doing the.

01:55:30.000 They're not.

01:55:31.000 So in one case, you go speech.

01:55:32.000 You go speech.

01:55:33.000 I go policies.

01:55:34.000 You go, yeah, but speech.

01:55:34.000 No, no, no, no.

01:55:35.000 And then I go numbers and you go, yeah, but rhetoric.

01:55:37.000 And then in the other case, you go executive order.

01:55:39.000 I go, yeah, but then he couldn't.

01:55:40.000 You go, well, then, yeah, but Republicans aren't getting this through Congress.

01:55:42.000 It seems like you can justify that.

01:55:44.000 Rubio's great because he gave a speech.

01:55:46.000 It's like, who cares that he gave a speech?

01:55:48.000 Rubio's a neocon.

01:55:49.000 He's back by Miriam A. Susan.

01:55:50.000 Because the discussion was about, you were saying, culturally Christian.

01:55:54.000 The party does not, you said, is not, as far as the rhetoric, as Christian as it used to be.

01:56:00.000 And I'm saying this is a challenge.

01:56:02.000 Rubio saying that.

01:56:03.000 Is that significant?

01:56:03.000 Because you wouldn't get a Democrat saying that.

01:56:05.000 Okay.

01:56:06.000 Like, this is what I'm talking about.

01:56:08.000 Like, we're being promised golden age, vast deportations.

01:56:13.000 And you're like, well, Rubio gave a speech about being Christian.

01:56:15.000 No, no, it's not.

01:56:16.000 That's not.

01:56:17.000 You just said I was being dishonest in saying you said you don't care about immigration.

01:56:17.000 You're being dishonest.

01:56:20.000 I believe your exact quote is, I don't give a fuck about immigration. 0.99

01:56:23.000 The only thing keeping me alive is my war against Israel at this point. 0.97

01:56:27.000 Do I have that close to correct? 0.85

01:56:28.000 So don't tell me I'm being dishonest.

01:56:30.000 That's hyperbolic.

01:56:31.000 That's red hot.

01:56:31.000 We addressed that.

01:56:32.000 We addressed that already. 0.96

01:56:34.000 And I said, like, look, Immigration is something that they're always baiting us with and they never do anything about. 0.97

01:56:40.000 And then when they do the bare minimum, they say, well, it's better than nothing. 0.94

01:56:44.000 And you go, well, I don't, I mean, theoretically, yeah, but if it doesn't meaningfully change anything, then it's not worth sacrificing other issues.

01:56:50.000 Sure.

01:56:51.000 So by and large, I would just say, look, 10 years into the Trump movement, we don't have the country that we want.

01:56:58.000 They've had more than enough time.

01:56:59.000 I think it's time to just do something radical and send a message, which is, you know, we're not happy.

01:57:04.000 I'm not happy with it.

01:57:05.000 You may be happy and say, well, you know, what about this?

01:57:08.000 What about that?

01:57:09.000 You know, We're in a war with Iran.

01:57:11.000 The deportations aren't there.

01:57:13.000 What more is there to say?

01:57:14.000 That's where I'm coming at it from. 0.91

01:57:16.000 We are in a conflict with Iran. 0.63

01:57:17.000 And by the way, I think there, last time you were on the show, you said, like, we might be more aligned on the initial strikes in Iran than I would think.

01:57:25.000 Deportations are there.

01:57:27.000 And again, I'll make the numbers available because even the one you said with the New York Times, they're not as much as I would like to be, but it's different from 10 to 20 million illegals.

01:57:35.000 I still would ask you the same question, right?

01:57:38.000 That's the point.

01:57:39.000 And I get it.

01:57:39.000 You don't have an answer.

01:57:41.000 For me to vote Democrat, let me, okay, let me try it another way, okay, because I want to make sure that we're aligned on what we want. 0.99

01:57:47.000 All right, let's say I'm a candidate, and I don't want to say your district because I don't want another angry old Jew lady to show up, but you know, general Illinois ish. 0.97

01:57:56.000 I'm running. 1.00

01:57:57.000 I go, okay, I understand, I hear it. 1.00

01:57:59.000 Young Americans don't have this as well as they should. 1.00

01:58:04.000 Okay, look, all right, here's what I'm going to do for you. 1.00

01:58:06.000 I am going to vote for, and I am going to support, of course, pausing all, All illegal immigration. 0.97

01:58:12.000 We're going to close the border down. 1.00

01:58:13.000 We're going to start building the wall.

01:58:14.000 Okay, we're blocked by Democrats, but here's what we're going to do.

01:58:14.000 Okay, we're going to do that.

01:58:16.000 We're going to reduce H 1Bs by 87%. 1.00

01:58:18.000 These things are suppressing your wages. 1.00

01:58:19.000 All right, we're going to do everything we can to bring down the cost of rent.

01:58:22.000 We're going to do everything we can to try and make housing more affordable.

01:58:24.000 Here's what we're going to do as far as jobs.

01:58:27.000 Okay, jobs.

01:58:27.000 We're going to punish companies that are offshoring.

01:58:30.000 We're going to use tariffs.

01:58:30.000 We're going to incentivize companies that are onshoring.

01:58:32.000 We're going to codify these taxes into law.

01:58:34.000 We're going to try and do this to remove the effects that are suppressing your wages as a young American so you don't see what the Democrats would have, which is a 20 plus percent unemployment rate.

01:58:43.000 We're going to get rid of DEI. 0.76

01:58:44.000 We're going to get rid of, just for you guys, we're going to get rid of racially based admissions.

01:58:48.000 We're going to have a Supreme Court that rules on these and overturns them.

01:58:51.000 More money back in your pocket.

01:58:53.000 Try and make sure that we can employ American workers. 0.98

01:58:55.000 America first. 0.98

01:58:56.000 But that's enough because I will do that.

01:58:58.000 And how do I be the guy to get your vote, Nick? 0.98

01:59:03.000 Mass deportations, build the wall, keep us out of war with Iran. 0.97

01:59:09.000 Period. 0.96

01:59:09.000 That's all you had to do. 0.96

01:59:10.000 That's all they had to do to keep me happy.

01:59:12.000 And that's all the next president has to do to make me happy.

01:59:15.000 It's not happening.

01:59:17.000 So, it comes down to those.

01:59:17.000 So, how do I?

01:59:19.000 We understand that requires, right, going through Congress.

01:59:21.000 So, what you really mean is use the nuclear option to get the wall passed.

01:59:25.000 You don't even, Stephen, you don't even need it because they passed the big, beautiful bill.

01:59:30.000 They have the money.

01:59:31.000 They got $190 billion.

01:59:33.000 Wasn't that the pitch?

01:59:34.000 We're going to cut Medicaid to pay for a corporate tax rate, but that's okay because we're going to allocate $190 billion to fund DHS in perpetuity, $90 billion for ICE, $20 billion for a border wall.

01:59:44.000 But they're, it's not that they can't do it, they won't do it.

01:59:48.000 ICE.

01:59:48.000 And CBP didn't even shut down when the Democrats shut down DHS because they were funded through the next five years from the BBB from last year in June.

01:59:57.000 But they're not doing it because they don't want to get rid of the farmers.

02:00:00.000 They don't want to get rid of this, that, because the donors don't want them to.

02:00:03.000 They don't want to build a wall for reasons like Trump can't get his favorite companies to get the contract, so they're just giving up.

02:00:09.000 Like, that's the problem.

02:00:12.000 You can't blame the Democrats on this one.

02:00:14.000 Why are they not doing more?

02:00:15.000 I mean, you tell me they have the money.

02:00:17.000 Why are they not doing raids?

02:00:19.000 Why are they not shutting everybody down?

02:00:20.000 Why is the border wall not finished by now?

02:00:23.000 It's not finished, it is being built.

02:00:25.000 So, but here's my point right now, you're not going to trust anyone who says they will do it.

02:00:30.000 Because there is gridlock, you do have to admit that.

02:00:32.000 But the point is, but someone campaigns on it.

02:00:34.000 And I've heard you say, well, they're not going to do it.

02:00:36.000 So how do I get your vote?

02:00:38.000 In other words, I know that Nick Fuentes and his people are going to vote Democrat.

02:00:41.000 They don't have anyone, they don't have grassroots, they don't have funding.

02:00:43.000 So I want to be that guy and step up his tribute.

02:00:46.000 How?

02:00:47.000 You're saying the person is a they will come.

02:00:49.000 And how is give me the exact rhetoric that I've rejected because I've said it's nothing but broken promises and dismissed all of it.

02:00:55.000 I don't think there's any world in which any candidate would fit the bill.

02:01:00.000 And I don't think there's any world, frankly, Nick, in which.

02:01:02.000 You or have a ground game, the finances to go up against the donor class, to go up against, frankly, the fact that when Democrats attain power, you're going to be looking at a moderate Republican because then people's perceptions and their priorities shift toward winning.

02:01:15.000 That's what we see historically.

02:01:17.000 It just, I understand where your heart, because my heart is there too in not wanting moderate Republicans.

02:01:24.000 I think it's objectively the worst path forward and guarantees destruction.

02:01:29.000 But I think we disagree on that because you think it's certain destruction anyway, and there's no difference.

02:01:34.000 There's no other option.

02:01:35.000 There's no other option.

02:01:36.000 I mean, you know, Vance and Rubio, these are horrible options.

02:01:41.000 They're not going to cut it.

02:01:43.000 They are a part of this administration.

02:01:45.000 It's going to be an extension of this administration.

02:01:48.000 And these past two administrations under Trump have been objectively a failure.

02:01:52.000 As far as I'm concerned, there's literally no other option other than to burn this down and hope that something else will be there because this ain't going to work.

02:02:01.000 And, you know, you can say all that, but it's like if Donald Trump running in 24, if he can't get mass deportation, If he can't build the wall, if he can't keep us out of war with Iran, how is Rubio and Vance going to be any better?

02:02:15.000 They were a part of this.

02:02:16.000 They don't have the cult of personality around them.

02:02:19.000 They're not ideologically aligned with Trump.

02:02:21.000 They're going to be worse.

02:02:24.000 So you either have something worse than this or you have a Democrat.

02:02:26.000 I'm rejecting all of it and saying weaken the Republicans, get somebody better in 28.

02:02:32.000 Open up that space for somebody to show up.

02:02:34.000 Well, you rapid fire that.

02:02:36.000 And we keep going through because this is the way our brain works.

02:02:37.000 So I'm not condemning you for it. 0.60

02:02:39.000 Donald Trump did not say that we would never be in a war with Iran. 0.64

02:02:42.000 You can go back to 1980, where he has consistently said, I will use the military against Iran.

02:02:46.000 You may not, 1980, 1987, 93, 96, 2011, and that escalator speech.

02:02:51.000 You may not agree with it, but it's not like he has doubled back on that.

02:02:54.000 He said, No new forever wars in the history of wars.

02:02:56.000 70 something days is remarkably short.

02:02:58.000 I hope it ends soon, like I said, and give it three months, then we'll check back.

02:03:01.000 I'll share the same opinion that you would.

02:03:03.000 We said, OK, there's no difference in deportations.

02:03:06.000 I disagree because even the New York Times article that you cite, I know, I remember that it was half a million.

02:03:11.000 That's not including self deportations.

02:03:13.000 And you say no wall.

02:03:14.000 Are you going to disagree with this one too?

02:03:15.000 Washington Post, 1,300 miles of wall right now, currently under construction.

02:03:20.000 Yeah, it's not real.

02:03:21.000 Okay.

02:03:21.000 It's not real.

02:03:21.000 Fake.

02:03:22.000 So, everything, every single number from think tank, from these departments, whether it's DHS, also people who have a vested interest in harming Donald Trump, you have simply dismissed them as fake or not real while presenting the idea of destruction being the only solution.

02:03:22.000 Fake.

02:03:36.000 You get why that's called a wall.

02:03:37.000 It's disingenuous.

02:03:38.000 First of all, that half million number from the New York Times, I already told you that's 230,000 removals, and the other half million are arrests.

02:03:45.000 Those are not people that have been deported.

02:03:47.000 So 230,000 removals for the year.

02:03:50.000 And then, by the way, we're in the second year and they shut down the raids.

02:03:54.000 They shut down these big surges of CBP and ICE to the city.

02:03:57.000 So it's not, they wanted a million per year.

02:04:00.000 We're getting a quarter million.

02:04:02.000 And we might get fewer this year.

02:04:03.000 So it's like, it's not, I don't trust any number, the border wall number.

02:04:08.000 No, you do trust every number that Democrats use as talking points 100% of the ones that you use today.

02:04:13.000 Well, show me the ICE numbers.

02:04:15.000 If ICE is so proud of the job they've done, then why has ICE not published the numbers that they're mandated to put out semi monthly since December 2024 if they're so proud?

02:04:24.000 Okay.

02:04:24.000 We will publish the numbers after this interview from Brookings.

02:04:26.000 No, no, no.

02:04:26.000 Why has ICE not published them?

02:04:28.000 Why has ICE not published those numbers if they're so great?

02:04:30.000 Because they have them, they won't publish them.

02:04:34.000 ICE has published numbers, and I know that they've made some changes to that for the same reason that we see.

02:04:38.000 By the way, you're not going to get an argument from me that we get consistent number tracking.

02:04:42.000 For example, these numbers of native born versus foreign born get changed, and particularly with a very high turbulence issue like immigration, those numbers get misreported, they get revised.

02:04:50.000 That's why we also rely on secondary sources.

02:04:53.000 For example, your New York Times source, for example, the Brookings Institute, for example, Washington Post.

02:04:57.000 But you go, I don't like that one, and you cherry pick it.

02:05:01.000 I don't like the survey.

02:05:03.000 I don't like the community survey from the census where they survey 65,000 households.

02:05:07.000 It could very easily be a response bias. 0.61

02:05:10.000 You know, if illegals are not responding to the survey, okay.

02:05:13.000 And by the way, they revised the data down.

02:05:16.000 No, but the New York Times is actually going into internal data, not public data that ICE releases, but internal data, and that is their estimate.

02:05:26.000 So if ICE were proud of the Washington Post with 1,300 miles of border wall currently under construction.

02:05:32.000 But they're using the data available to them.

02:05:33.000 So do we apply the same standard?

02:05:35.000 I imagine you pulled that up.

02:05:37.000 I haven't seen that during the show because you didn't mention that earlier.

02:05:40.000 So I haven't seen that, but I don't believe that's true.

02:05:42.000 Yeah, we covered it on a show also before.

02:05:43.000 You know what?

02:05:44.000 Look, I always take it with a grain of salt.

02:05:45.000 That's why I provide two or three sources.

02:05:47.000 I think the totality is there's a very different picture.

02:05:50.000 And I think many people would say there's a very different picture on immigration, on net positive, negative immigration, H 1Bs, on the border wall.

02:06:00.000 I think that contrast is pretty stark.

02:06:02.000 And again, voting for Democrat, where we know where they line up.

02:06:06.000 Is a very tough sell with the person will appear.

02:06:09.000 That's really the sticking point.

02:06:10.000 The person will appear.

02:06:12.000 This is very similar.

02:06:13.000 This is.

02:06:14.000 It ends up being what you did in 2020, 2022, where you said sit it out or, you know, vote third party, or in most cases, I know sit it out.

02:06:21.000 I'll give you that, that you didn't.

02:06:22.000 You never said vote Democrat.

02:06:23.000 You've never encouraged people to vote Democrat, if that's the case.

02:06:27.000 Yeah, but it did have net effects.

02:06:28.000 People sitting out flipped the Senate, right?

02:06:31.000 And there was no plan after that.

02:06:32.000 And now it's take your word for it that there's a plan this time because he will appear.

02:06:37.000 Would you consider.

02:06:39.000 Putting something together more concrete so that those on the right could work in tandem to accomplish something like the left has done over the course of decades.

02:06:51.000 Like I told you, that comes together during when someone is ready to announce, they will announce.

02:06:56.000 Okay.

02:06:57.000 So it's not like we don't have an idea of who might run or what the plan might be.

02:07:01.000 It's just that you know how that goes in a presidential election year.

02:07:05.000 You don't announce until you announce.

02:07:06.000 That's number one.

02:07:07.000 But number two, everybody is so hung up on, well, who are we going to vote for?

02:07:10.000 Well, who are we going to vote for?

02:07:11.000 It's like, well, let's just make it clear.

02:07:13.000 Vance and Rubio, which I don't even hear you disputing this.

02:07:16.000 You say I would reluctantly support Rubio if I had to.

02:07:20.000 Neither, like, let me ask you this.

02:07:22.000 This is a very simple question.

02:07:24.000 I wouldn't reluctantly support Rubio over Gavin Newsom.

02:07:24.000 No, I'll clarify.

02:07:29.000 I would passionately vote Rubio over Gavin Newsom because we have a two party system and that's how it goes.

02:07:33.000 And that's crazy because I don't want Obama McCain.

02:07:36.000 I don't want Obama Romney.

02:07:38.000 I don't want Newsom Rubio.

02:07:39.000 I want something else.

02:07:40.000 And the only, and here's the thing this is the way I would say it.

02:07:44.000 If Vance and Rubio are strong in 28, we don't get a primary.

02:07:49.000 You understand?

02:07:49.000 Because the party will consolidate around one of them.

02:07:49.000 Right.

02:07:53.000 Like most of the party, the money, the leadership, the cadre will fall in line behind one or the other.

02:07:59.000 And you're going to get a very tiny field where one guy's going to be the dominant favorite and there won't be a competition.

02:08:06.000 In my mind, that means, like, just in terms of logic, the only way that anyone's going to stand a chance is if they are sufficiently weakened by being tied to this toxic administration, if the administration fails and is sabotaged.

02:08:19.000 And so it's just about creating a possibility for another choice.

02:08:23.000 That's the most simple way that I can make it.

02:08:26.000 Yeah, it's about, like you said, sabotaging the Trump administration in order to create the possibility.

02:08:26.000 I understand.

02:08:32.000 And like you said, they need to go into an election weaker, which means the country would be in a worse off place.

02:08:37.000 So put the country in a worse off place, sabotage the America First administration in order for the person who will appear who will be better. 0.94

02:08:44.000 It's the Israel First administration. 0.97

02:08:46.000 I think that's very obvious. 0.77

02:08:48.000 So is that the issue?

02:08:51.000 Well, you say you want to sabotage the America First administration.

02:08:54.000 This is not an America First administration.

02:08:56.000 First administration?

02:08:57.000 In what way?

02:08:58.000 In what way are they putting America over Israel or other countries?

02:09:02.000 In the ways that we just went through that you refute at all costs with Democrat talking points.

02:09:07.000 And that's where I'm confused.

02:09:09.000 They shut down deportations because they're unpopular.

02:09:12.000 Then they launched a regime change war of choice in Iran.

02:09:15.000 You have them going into Harvard and Yale telling them you have to teach a pro Israel curriculum.

02:09:20.000 They're reviewing 50,000 visas to see if they've ever criticized Israel.

02:09:24.000 Like they reviewed every country.

02:09:27.000 That receives foreign aid to see if they're America first, except for Israel.

02:09:31.000 That was the memo last year.

02:09:32.000 So it's like, you know, you say, oh, well, you want to bring down this administration, saving America.

02:09:37.000 It's not happening.

02:09:38.000 No, I didn't say saving America.

02:09:39.000 I said, I'm repeating back to you what you said.

02:09:41.000 This administration needs to be sabotaged.

02:09:43.000 You've said that you want to see President Trump impeached, you want to see him hamstrung, and the nation needs to be worse off so that someone will appear who will save it.

02:09:51.000 Oh, I don't think so.

02:09:52.000 So make sure your audience knows that.

02:09:54.000 Young Americans are going to be facing double digit unemployment, well over 20%.

02:09:58.000 You're going to be seeing a massive inflation. 0.69

02:09:59.000 Flux of H1Bs, you're going to see the exact opposite. 1.00

02:10:02.000 You're going to see the exact opposite. 1.00

02:10:03.000 What if gas prices were $6 a gallon?

02:10:06.000 That would be crazy. 1.00

02:10:08.000 It's a good thing we bombed Iran for easier. 1.00

02:10:10.000 If not this, then that. 1.00

02:10:12.000 There's the moving the goalposts.

02:10:13.000 Be honest with your audience.

02:10:14.000 You want this country to be in a worse place in this administration, Democrats to be stronger, so that, and I would go along with it if I understood it, so that someone will appear is not enough.

02:10:25.000 Because I think you're going to run into the same problem that you run into with Dan Belzer.

02:10:28.000 And you're really upset about the purity test, saying we don't all have to think the same thing.

02:10:32.000 And I don't think there's any candidate who would be able to pass yours.

02:10:35.000 Here's mine. 0.88

02:10:36.000 No money for Israel at all.

02:10:38.000 AIPAC should be treated like every single other foreign lobbying organization. 1.00

02:10:41.000 Fuck them with a wire brush. 1.00

02:10:43.000 Could you vote for me? 1.00

02:10:43.000 Because I'm not going to go any further than that. 1.00

02:10:45.000 I'm not saying the country has to be worse off.

02:10:48.000 I'm saying the administration does.

02:10:49.000 And what I said at the very beginning is the administration is doing bad things.

02:10:53.000 War with Iran is bad.

02:10:55.000 If the Democrats could get in and shut that down, that's good.

02:10:58.000 If Democrats can get in and subpoena and impeach these people that are doing these things, That's good.

02:11:04.000 So, no, I actually don't think the country's going to be worse off.

02:11:06.000 I think the administration's going to be worse off.

02:11:08.000 The administration's unpopular.

02:11:11.000 So, you mean you think it'll just be painful that you think that Democrats will just be painful for the Trump administration, not for the American people?

02:11:11.000 Well, okay.

02:11:19.000 Do I have that correct?

02:11:20.000 Yeah, because again, they're only going to control the House.

02:11:23.000 All right.

02:11:23.000 Okay.

02:11:24.000 That's a fundamental disagreement.

02:11:26.000 I think that when Democrats, I think especially when you look at their plan, I think when they attain power, I think also what we've lived through underneath them, including sometimes just having control of the House.

02:11:35.000 I think it'll be catastrophic.

02:11:36.000 I think it'll be destructive.

02:11:38.000 And I certainly think that's a big risk because if they have that and then they get a general election, which is not unlikely, right?

02:11:46.000 That's not a small risk.

02:11:48.000 Would we agree that midterm wins generally, especially when opposition translate to general wins the next time?

02:11:48.000 Would we agree with that?

02:11:55.000 Would you agree with that statement?

02:11:58.000 Not necessarily, absolutely.

02:12:00.000 Not necessarily, but as a historical trend, the president would be the likelihood of Democrats winning a general if they win those midterms is quite higher than 50%.

02:12:10.000 Maybe it's 52, but it's not a small risk.

02:12:13.000 There's a risk, certainly.

02:12:14.000 Yeah.

02:12:16.000 And that to me.

02:12:17.000 What is the risk of running Vance and Rubio?

02:12:19.000 I don't think they're winnable candidates anyway.

02:12:21.000 And I think even if they were, we don't want them.

02:12:24.000 So.

02:12:25.000 Yep, I understand that.

02:12:26.000 And I certainly understand the criticism of them.

02:12:28.000 I certainly don't want Democrats to have the House and White House.

02:12:30.000 And I think that's a more, it's a stronger likelihood than not.

02:12:35.000 And that to me is just a bridge that I absolutely wouldn't be able to cross.

02:12:40.000 But I do appreciate you laying this out.

02:12:42.000 And by the way, I do, again, I was there at the Tea Party.

02:12:45.000 I think you were younger than the Tea Party there.

02:12:47.000 I know now it's like, oh, the Tea Party is a corny name, but the Rick Santelli rant where everyone was saying socialism about Barack Obama was a racist dog whistle.

02:12:55.000 And they were able to veer the party further to the right.

02:12:57.000 I do think that it can be done more effectively through primaries rather than instituting into power the party of, like, just to put a finer point on it, drag queen story hour. 0.99

02:13:08.000 I think the left in America is out of their fucking mind, and giving them any power is an insane risk. 0.98

02:13:16.000 Yeah, I think that we just got to stop playing not to lose. 1.00

02:13:20.000 We got to play to win.

02:13:21.000 And sometimes that means you got to take a couple steps back to take a few steps forward.

02:13:25.000 I mean, and that's really what it comes down to.

02:13:27.000 I think that.

02:13:28.000 Because I've been on this ride.

02:13:29.000 You've been on it longer than me, admittedly, but I've been on this ride and I've watched all these cycles 16, 18, 20, 22, 24.

02:13:35.000 And I've just been so disappointed at Republicans' willingness to just completely sell us out on everything.

02:13:42.000 I mean, you can even go back to 22, not to open up a whole other thing, but like I remember in 2020, they gave up on Trump fighting the stolen election.

02:13:50.000 22, they said, We're going to get to the bottom of the Capitol riot footage.

02:13:55.000 We're going to look at the surveillance and we're going to fight Biden on the debt ceiling.

02:13:58.000 We're going to force immigration. 0.92

02:13:59.000 Didn't do any of it. 0.97

02:14:00.000 24, deportations, no new wars.

02:14:02.000 It's like we tried it that way for a long time and increasingly, because you're right, 2022, 2024, 2026.

02:14:09.000 For me, it's escalating.

02:14:10.000 I'm getting more and more pissed off, more and more like, when do we get it?

02:14:13.000 When does it happen?

02:14:15.000 After they bombed Iran, I said, Trump, I see what you've done for Israel.

02:14:20.000 Do that for deportations.

02:14:22.000 They won't. 0.54

02:14:23.000 So this is where we're at.

02:14:25.000 I think they forced our hand.

02:14:26.000 That's how I see it.

02:14:27.000 Yeah.

02:14:28.000 Would you allow for the fact?

02:14:29.000 By the way, I would like to at some point here, if you're okay with it, I don't want to pull a Candace and put your interview behind paywall.

02:14:35.000 This has all been mass, but take some chat because that's for those who subscribe.

02:14:39.000 Would you allow for the fact that when you're talking about your purity tests, that someone may think, hey, you know what, a weakened and non nuclear Iran or Iran being a potential threat needing to be dealt with, that someone could hold that opinion and not be exclusively holding it for Israel? 0.52

02:14:54.000 I think they could, but I just think they'd be wrong.

02:14:56.000 I think it's a fundamental misunderstanding of what's happening there.

02:14:59.000 Okay.

02:15:00.000 So, again, just to clarify, can someone say, yeah, I think Iran. 0.97

02:15:04.000 Should be weakened. 0.97

02:15:05.000 I think Iran is a threat, and I think there's a reason that this military conflict is going on. 0.99

02:15:11.000 I wouldn't advocate doing it on behalf of Israel, but I do think there's a reason to do it on behalf of the United States. 1.00

02:15:17.000 I just don't know. 0.81

02:15:19.000 I mean, I think you can think that.

02:15:22.000 I think you can think that that is what you're supporting, but I don't think there's any practical way where that happens in reality.

02:15:29.000 Like I said, I think that's just like context denial of what's really going on over there. 0.98

02:15:33.000 You know, like we need to weaken Iran. 0.99

02:15:35.000 Like, I'll say this.

02:15:36.000 Iran should not get a nuclear weapon.

02:15:37.000 I'm 100% agreement with that. 0.80

02:15:39.000 However, why do they want one?

02:15:41.000 You know, and how are we going to prevent them from getting one? 0.95

02:15:44.000 There's no way to answer those questions without involving Israel and how they've been the engine of all of these events. 0.95

02:15:50.000 Sure, there is. 0.94

02:15:52.000 How?

02:15:52.000 Okay.

02:15:55.000 It's a radical death cult who want to eradicate anyone who doesn't follow suit at any cost that they have done historically. 0.94

02:16:01.000 I mean, it follows Muhammad to a T who created this exact same playbook. 0.92

02:16:06.000 I think that if you got rid of this, I don't think we should be giving any blank check to Israel. 0.93

02:16:11.000 If we want to discuss this, we can discuss this.

02:16:12.000 Let's do it.

02:16:13.000 I don't think we should be giving a blank check to Israel.

02:16:16.000 None.

02:16:16.000 Ad hoc basis like every other nation.

02:16:18.000 I think I hate AIPAC for the same reason I hate Act Blue, that they gave like 800K to Hakeem Jeffries.

02:16:24.000 But I also think that, yeah, they probably need to look into them.

02:16:26.000 And I don't think they should be able to do this under the cloak of Americans.

02:16:30.000 I don't think any group should be lobbying on behalf of a foreign government above the priorities of Americans.

02:16:35.000 So screw AIPAC with a wire brush.

02:16:37.000 My position is no foreign lobbying, period. 0.90

02:16:39.000 But that doesn't pass the purity test because I also think that the Iranian regime is a death cult. 0.93

02:16:46.000 Who, if Israel didn't exist tomorrow, would be just like Muhammad in the 7th century, 8th century, every single century trying to eradicate anyone who's not under Islamic subjugation, regardless of this modern nation. 0.96

02:16:58.000 That's my opinion. 0.98

02:16:59.000 And I don't think it helps.

02:17:00.000 I think they hate Israel.

02:17:01.000 I don't think it's the only reason.

02:17:03.000 I don't consider that a purity test.

02:17:04.000 I think that's just a fundamental ideological difference. 0.54

02:17:07.000 If you're talking about, I think we should bomb Iran, I think we should destroy Iran for pro America reasons, it's like, well, I don't think we should destroy Iran. 0.80

02:17:15.000 I don't think we can, and I don't think it's even worthwhile. 0.96

02:17:19.000 I mean, you look at, we just simply cannot.

02:17:21.000 Look at what's happening right now.

02:17:22.000 We hit them with everything we have, everything from air and sea, and they maintain control of the strait.

02:17:28.000 They maintain the ability to launch drones and missiles.

02:17:30.000 The regime is intact.

02:17:32.000 What more do you think we can do militarily that's going to put a stop to this?

02:17:36.000 You know, I mean, do you have an answer for that?

02:17:38.000 Hold on a second.

02:17:39.000 We're getting into two separate things.

02:17:40.000 The question that I was asking is, and we can go to that.

02:17:42.000 I mean, I think that it's, again, you do this where you're like 90% of their Navy is gone.

02:17:47.000 Like, yeah, they're able to control the strait, but you also know that that has to do with insurance rates, right?

02:17:50.000 And businesses not being willing to take the risk.

02:17:52.000 That's a little different from saying that militarily they're completely intact.

02:17:55.000 The point that I was making, though, and I see this strain, particularly from people like Dan Bolzerian going over and saying, I heard the call to prayer and it was the most beautiful thing in the world. 0.88

02:18:05.000 I don't believe that there has been a greater evil perpetrated against Christianity or the free world than Islam. 0.89

02:18:15.000 Okay. 1.00

02:18:16.000 Yeah.

02:18:17.000 And I think that that's right. 1.00

02:18:18.000 I'm not pro Muslim. 1.00

02:18:19.000 I'm not pro Muslim in any way, shape, or form. 1.00

02:18:22.000 I know that you're not. 0.84

02:18:23.000 But the point is, a lot of these people who would be more in alliance with you than me are like, well, that's not, that's Jewish propaganda.

02:18:30.000 It's not propaganda, it's an understanding of historical record and precedence. 0.62

02:18:35.000 And I think that Iran is obviously the most radical as far as a group, the regime, by the way. 0.94

02:18:39.000 We need to separate the people from the regime. 0.78

02:18:41.000 There's a reason that the vast majority of people pray for these bombs and want them for the same reason the people of Venezuela and right now the people of Cuba.

02:18:47.000 Doesn't mean it's our job to be clear, but there's a reason that the people are very different from the regime. 0.92

02:18:52.000 They're following lockstep with Muhammad and the initial. 0.99

02:18:54.000 Spread of Islam. 0.99

02:18:55.000 And that absolutely would happen here in the United States if we followed the leftists' voting pattern, the leftists' governing pattern, we'd end up like Europe or Canada. 1.00

02:19:03.000 And I was in Canada and I watched people cheer the second tower be hit because I had a hugely Muslim school. 0.58

02:19:09.000 I've lived through it anecdotally and empirically. 1.00

02:19:11.000 It's a far greater threat than the Jews who are annoying, I'll grant. 1.00

02:19:17.000 Well, I mean, but what are we talking about? 1.00

02:19:18.000 Are we talking about Iran? 0.81

02:19:19.000 Are we talking about Jews versus Islam?

02:19:20.000 Because these are two very different things, I think.

02:19:22.000 Well, I started this by saying, could someone have the view? 0.88

02:19:27.000 That Iran, because of their specific, by the way, practice of Islam and worldview, that they would need to be, I guess you would say, rendered more impotent, sort of denuclearized. 0.91

02:19:39.000 It wasn't about nuclear weapons. 0.97

02:19:40.000 It was about them being able to build nuclear weapons and no one being able to stop them. 0.94

02:19:44.000 That would be in the interests of the West and really any nation that is not Islamic or wants to be subjugated to Islam. 0.94

02:19:51.000 Could someone hold that view and them not be holding that view just because it was propagated by the Jews? 0.87

02:19:57.000 A huge contingency say, no, you're just believing what the Jewish lobby has told you and we're doing it for Israel. 0.66

02:20:05.000 I think there can be two separate tracks. 0.75

02:20:07.000 Israel doesn't want a nuclear Iran. 0.91

02:20:09.000 Israel recognizes that Iran is a threat. 0.98

02:20:11.000 And so do we for the same reason, by the way, that Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Islamic world does. 0.99

02:20:15.000 Yeah, I mean, like I said, I think you can think that, but I don't think there's any way to effectuate that policy without it playing into that larger plan.

02:20:25.000 Like, again, you know, you say, well, I don't think Iran should have a nuclear weapon. 0.90

02:20:29.000 Okay, so then we have to bomb them because they're not going to give it up with the deal. 0.99

02:20:33.000 So we have to bomb them. 1.00

02:20:34.000 Okay, so we're going to bomb them. 0.99

02:20:35.000 Well, now they're going to close the strait and they're going to attack Saudi Arabia and the rest of it. 0.97

02:20:40.000 Now, what do we do? 0.59

02:20:41.000 Well, we got to attack all their drone and missile launch platforms.

02:20:44.000 Well, how do you do that?

02:20:44.000 It's a huge country, they're very cheap, inexpensive.

02:20:48.000 Weapons, decentralized command system. 0.99

02:20:50.000 It's like, so do we now have to invade Iran or do we just walk away and let them have this? 0.71

02:20:54.000 You say, well, it's about insurance. 0.91

02:20:55.000 Okay, well, Iran will maintain the ability to launch drones at the strait, which is narrow, in perpetuity. 0.55

02:21:00.000 So that's going to be a problem in perpetuity. 0.72

02:21:03.000 And either we're going to give them the strait and they could charge a toll.

02:21:07.000 You know, there's no other options here.

02:21:09.000 So that's what I'm saying. 0.93

02:21:09.000 Like, you can say, I'm in favor of attacking Iran for pro America reasons, but there's no way that goes other than you're walking down the road to regime change, which Israel will. 0.93

02:21:22.000 They will accelerate that. 0.97

02:21:23.000 That's the only destination it could go toward, in my opinion. 0.59

02:21:26.000 The only destination it could go toward is Israel accelerating regime change. 0.65

02:21:31.000 Yeah, well, and just the whole ladder of escalation for all the tactical reasons I just described. 0.56

02:21:36.000 Like, there's no, in other words, there's no way to easily hit their nukes.

02:21:39.000 And that, like last year, they said, oh, double tap.

02:21:42.000 We're going to hit the nukes.

02:21:44.000 Then it's all over.

02:21:45.000 Okay, but what happens?

02:21:46.000 They start digging the nukes out.

02:21:47.000 So what do we do now? 0.91

02:21:48.000 We got to bomb them again. 0.98

02:21:50.000 Okay, well, you know. 0.94

02:21:51.000 So what's the alternative?

02:21:53.000 The alternative is, again, why is Iran pursuing a nuclear weapon? 0.80

02:21:57.000 It is to hedge against Israel. 0.82

02:21:59.000 I think we have to restrain Israel and give Iran assurances we won't attack them. 0.90

02:22:04.000 And then they might agree that they don't need a strategic capability like that. 0.95

02:22:07.000 I think that's the only way.

02:22:08.000 So tell me how that looks. 0.67

02:22:09.000 You said restrain Israel and then Iran wouldn't pursue nukes.

02:22:12.000 Please tell me how that looks.

02:22:14.000 We have to tell Israel that if they continue to provoke Iran or confront Iran or derail negotiations, which they did last year, then we will revoke their foreign aid.

02:22:24.000 We will intervene, maybe in their elections, even for that matter, which we have the power to do.

02:22:29.000 Look at Netanyahu.

02:22:30.000 Netanyahu, at various times, it looks like he might have lost American support and that made him less popular.

02:22:36.000 So you could say, look, listen, Mr. Prime Minister, America is going to lean on you in every way that we can economically, militarily, in terms of foreign aid, in public diplomacy.

02:22:46.000 Stay out of this.

02:22:48.000 And then we could go to Iran and say, look, we're able to tell Israel no. 0.80

02:22:52.000 Now we can have something like the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. 0.54

02:22:56.000 I thought that was a good deal.

02:22:57.000 Where you'll have sanctions relief, we'll have monitoring, we'll have verification, Russia can be a signatory, and we're going to make sure that you have a peaceful nuclear program.

02:23:06.000 And then one day they'll be integrated into collective security in the region, and we don't have to worry about them.

02:23:11.000 That's what that looks like. 0.90

02:23:13.000 You really think that Iran would be integrated into the collective security of the region?

02:23:17.000 Do you actually believe that?

02:23:18.000 It was happening in 2023.

02:23:20.000 China brokered a rapprochement between Saudi Arabia and Iran 100%.

02:23:26.000 Yeah.

02:23:27.000 Yeah.

02:23:27.000 Historically, so here's my position to sort of take an extreme version of the position.

02:23:31.000 I think if Israel didn't exist tomorrow, now maybe it wouldn't necessarily be Iran as we know it because these countries that basically live if you were to give the world an anima, that's where you'd stick the hose. 0.87

02:23:41.000 They war against each other. 0.98

02:23:42.000 You can do the 7th century, 8th century, every single century up until and including the modern advent of Israel. 0.94

02:23:47.000 I think if Israel didn't exist tomorrow, the current Iran as we know it would still not play ball and probably get a nuke to hedge against the Sunni world, you know, places like Saudi Arabia. 0.93

02:23:56.000 There are entire documentaries on how much they've hated each other. 0.91

02:23:59.000 And by the way, they'll make deals and break them tomorrow, and I still think that they would view us as a giant devil.

02:24:04.000 It doesn't mean that militarily the strategy has been correct.

02:24:07.000 That's why I said, give us three months, or give me three months before I form an opinion.

02:24:11.000 I think there's a world in which it makes sense if it's short, effective, and decisive.

02:24:15.000 If it's not, then I think it's a mistake. 0.83

02:24:19.000 But it has nothing to do with Israel has told you that Iran is a threat. 0.82

02:24:22.000 And that's a purity test.

02:24:23.000 I say this because I know you've run up against it.

02:24:26.000 But I run up against it too, where I go, you know what? 0.98

02:24:28.000 I don't want a nuclear Iran. 0.94

02:24:29.000 And I think that if people believe the Islamic world would not be seeing the West as a threat and would not be trying to outpopulate us, To subjugate us, if not for Israel, is a pipe dream and it ignores all of human history. 0.98

02:24:42.000 And that gets shut down when people go, well, you're not America first because actually the Jews are a problem and not Islam. 0.99

02:24:47.000 I think Islam is still one of the greatest threats to the Western world. 1.00

02:24:49.000 And I think that Iran's a big part of that. 1.00

02:24:51.000 And as to whether this is effective remains to be seen. 1.00

02:24:54.000 I'm not a supporter of it.

02:24:55.000 I said, I got to wait three months to see because there's information I can't know. 0.98

02:24:58.000 But it has nothing to do with the Jews. 0.90

02:25:00.000 Well, it has everything to do with them because Israel got a nuclear weapon first. 0.92

02:25:05.000 Israel initiated the arms race in the Middle East, they got their nuke. 0.86

02:25:10.000 Then Iraq got their nuclear reactor. 0.57

02:25:12.000 So, what did Israel do?

02:25:13.000 They bombed Iraq. 0.52

02:25:15.000 And then Iraq put their nuclear program underground. 0.60

02:25:17.000 Then we had an invasion in 1990. 0.70

02:25:19.000 Syria had a nuclear program.

02:25:21.000 What did Israel do?

02:25:21.000 They bombed their reactor in 2007.

02:25:23.000 Like, Israel, let's just be honest, they are the revisionist power in the Middle East. 0.97

02:25:28.000 Their doctrine is to destabilize and destroy all their neighbors. 0.98

02:25:32.000 This goes back to the 1980s, Oded Yunnan's plan for Israel. 0.57

02:25:35.000 They want to say what they call it it's a mosaic of tribes with flags.

02:25:39.000 They want to basically destroy all. 0.75

02:25:41.000 All the big strong states, so they can't militarily challenge Israel. 0.97

02:25:45.000 It is in the context of this environment that Iran realizes they're next. 0.79

02:25:49.000 Iraq fell, Libya fell, Syria fell, Egypt had a coup.

02:25:53.000 Iran says we're next on the chopping block.

02:25:56.000 It's even in the clean break memo. 0.74

02:25:58.000 So they say, how do we hedge against a nuclear Israel?

02:26:01.000 Missiles, proxies, a nuclear hedge, centrifuges. 0.89

02:26:06.000 And being one of the biggest funders of global terrorism across the entire globe, not just the United States. 0.94

02:26:12.000 Closest ally, Saudi Arabia, is responsible for the Wahhabist ideology that inspired ISIS and Al Qaeda. 0.97

02:26:17.000 You're not going to get me to say that I love Saudi Arabia, but that's one of those enemy of my enemies. 0.99

02:26:21.000 And I think people look back at alliances and go, well, that doesn't make any sense. 0.99

02:26:24.000 It's like, well, you have to understand that it made sense in the moment.

02:26:26.000 So I just go back to the restraining of Israel would include what? 0.71

02:26:30.000 Because here's the thing that would require serious military intervention, right?

02:26:35.000 So would you advocate serious intervention against Israel? 0.52

02:26:38.000 My point is, how do you do that? 0.69

02:26:40.000 And then why is Iran no longer a threat? 0.96

02:26:42.000 Political intervention. 0.69

02:26:44.000 We have tremendous leverage over Israel that we just simply refuse to use.

02:26:48.000 You know, we provide a substantial percentage of their defense budget.

02:26:52.000 We provide the security umbrella for them.

02:26:55.000 We provide them with all these advanced weapons and parts and everything like that.

02:26:59.000 We have enormous leverage over them, and yet the tail wags the dog.

02:27:03.000 Trump engaged, to his credit, Iran in diplomacy last year, and Netanyahu tried to sabotage it. 0.67

02:27:09.000 We announced the diplomacy on April 2nd, and the next day, Netanyahu comes out and says, The only deal we will accept is if we blow up Iran's nuclear program.

02:27:18.000 Like they're derailing it on purpose.

02:27:20.000 And they did that under Obama.

02:27:22.000 They did that under Biden.

02:27:23.000 They did it under Trump won.

02:27:25.000 And so you need to use the leverage to tell them look, stay out of this.

02:27:29.000 This is our planet.

02:27:30.000 We're America.

02:27:31.000 And then, yes, I think that if you could build trust with Iran, then you could achieve something like the JCPOA, and then we wouldn't have to go to war. 0.83

02:27:40.000 The alternative is we have to have regime change in Iran.

02:27:43.000 That's it.

02:27:43.000 So, to be clear, oh, my mic's not working.

02:27:45.000 Sorry.

02:27:45.000 Yeah.

02:27:45.000 Hold on one second.

02:27:46.000 Oh, sorry.

02:27:47.000 There we go.

02:27:47.000 The whole time I was like, oh, hold on.

02:27:48.000 So, I don't know if that happened.

02:27:49.000 What were you doing there, Billy?

02:27:51.000 You just, did you fall asleep?

02:27:53.000 Did you pull a Halloween 2 and run the steering wheel?

02:27:58.000 So, going back to the point that you were making, was okay, we were straining Israel. 0.90

02:28:01.000 So, You believe that, for example, and this is, hey, something that I think a case can be made geopolitically if we restrain Israel. 0.91

02:28:07.000 By the way, I'm all for ending the $3 billion, $3 plus billion. 0.93

02:28:10.000 I know it was $3.8.

02:28:12.000 All for ending that period.

02:28:13.000 I think now I do think it should be an ad hoc basis, just like we have with other nations.

02:28:15.000 If there's something that's worthwhile to us, we go, okay, we'll pay you.

02:28:18.000 It's a contractor versus actually having an employee, to use the analogy.

02:28:22.000 But if you believe that we did that, you think the JCPOA would work?

02:28:26.000 Because I definitely think that was a disaster.

02:28:28.000 I think it didn't work.

02:28:29.000 And I actually do think that blockading their entire.

02:28:32.000 Oil export machine, their navy being destroyed. 0.80

02:28:34.000 It's a big piece of leverage to get Iran to at least come to the table when they never were.

02:28:39.000 I still don't think the JCPOA would be something that could be tenable.

02:28:44.000 Why not?

02:28:44.000 I mean, what about it was a disaster?

02:28:47.000 Primarily that you're dealing with Iran. 1.00

02:28:50.000 They lie as easily as they breathe, and it's because of an ideology regardless of Israel. 0.96

02:28:56.000 But to go back to the point of view, would you vote for someone who goes, could someone, for example, when we're talking about 2028, and this goes back to that, could someone line up with you on every single other thing? 0.65

02:29:07.000 But have supported the military action in Iran and get your vote?

02:29:12.000 Absolutely not.

02:29:13.000 Absolutely not. 1.00

02:29:13.000 Even if they support defunding Israel, doing away with AIPAC, closing up the border, complete deportation, shutting down H 1Bs. 1.00

02:29:20.000 Would you vote for a Democratic socialist like Bernie Sanders, but he's against the war in Iran and he talks a lot about global Jewry? 1.00

02:29:30.000 Or would you vote for the person who is America first to the right on all issues, including immigration, including labor, including tariffs, including social issues? 0.67

02:29:41.000 But he supported the war in Iran. 0.52

02:29:42.000 And as far as he goes, there's no more funding for Israel. 0.97

02:29:45.000 Who would want more? 0.96

02:29:46.000 That's a pretty extreme hypothetical.

02:29:48.000 It is an extreme hypothetical.

02:29:49.000 But what I would say.

02:29:50.000 What matters to you more?

02:29:51.000 I don't know.

02:29:52.000 But what I would say.

02:29:54.000 That's a fair answer.

02:29:55.000 Here's the thing.

02:29:56.000 I can't support somebody that supported the war in Iran.

02:30:01.000 And here's the big picture about it.

02:30:03.000 What is actually the end game here?

02:30:04.000 You can't say, well, if Israel doesn't exist, Israel does exist.

02:30:08.000 And they have existed. 0.52

02:30:09.000 And they have nukes.

02:30:10.000 And that is the central thing.

02:30:11.000 They have an undeclared nuclear arsenal.

02:30:14.000 And that is really at the center of this. 0.78

02:30:15.000 And again, Israel has a foreign policy they've engaged in for a very long time of destabilizing and destroying all their neighbors with the help of the United States, with the influence of the Israel lobby in the United States. 0.61

02:30:28.000 So you can't say like, well, if Israel didn't exist and if this and if that, Israel's plan is to use the United States to topple Iran.

02:30:36.000 Why? 0.77

02:30:37.000 So that they are uncontested in the region.

02:30:39.000 They don't want any rivals.

02:30:40.000 Why? 0.78

02:30:41.000 So that they can dominate.

02:30:44.000 This is like big picture geopolitics.

02:30:47.000 This is the center of the world island.

02:30:49.000 Okay, you have Europe, Asia, Africa.

02:30:52.000 This is where all the world's resources are.

02:30:54.000 All the commerce is going to go through that rimland area through the Middle East, the Red Sea, the Persian Gulf, and then overland through the Middle East.

02:31:03.000 They're going to control all of that. 0.91

02:31:04.000 They're going to have hegemony over that, over the Arabian Peninsula. 0.73

02:31:08.000 That will make them something like a superpower.

02:31:11.000 I know that sounds crazy to say.

02:31:13.000 No, it doesn't sound crazy.

02:31:14.000 It doesn't sound crazy. 1.00

02:31:15.000 I don't deny that Israel has their own selfish interests. 0.99

02:31:17.000 And by the way, I think you're misrepresenting my view. 0.82

02:31:19.000 I was making the point where I was saying Israel. 1.00

02:31:21.000 Even if Israel didn't exist, I think you still have to deal with the problem of Islam, its encroachment, and its expansion. 1.00

02:31:25.000 And I think that Iran is one of the most radical actors in that respect. 1.00

02:31:29.000 I do want to go to chat, but here's my question because we started this off with, okay, the common enemy. 0.99

02:31:34.000 And I appreciate, by the way, you said, I don't know, because a lot of people would go, well, they would equivocate.

02:31:40.000 I'm thinking of running for office, okay?

02:31:43.000 I'm thinking of running for office, and I can't stand the Mitt Romneys and the John McCain's of the world.

02:31:46.000 All right.

02:31:47.000 Now, I understand we live in a two party system, and we need to have coalitions, we need to have voting blocs if we want to win the country.

02:31:55.000 So, you have to have all this base that have already voted Republican conservatives right across the board.

02:31:59.000 And we know boomers, okay, people make fun of them, but they outvote Gen Z by a significant margin, certainly millennials, okay.

02:32:04.000 So, my stance is let's say it's me. 1.00

02:32:07.000 All right, shut down the border, mass deportations, build the wall immediately, completely shut down H 1Bs. 1.00

02:32:14.000 I'd put a half a million dollar fee on it in case someone's bringing in the next Elon Musk or Nikolai Tesla from El Salvador, for God's sakes. 1.00

02:32:21.000 I don't know.

02:32:22.000 Something that wouldn't affect the multi million dollar salary.

02:32:25.000 Of course, we'd continue with the Supreme Court. 0.95

02:32:27.000 Enable states to have more authorities that deal with abortion restrictions.

02:32:30.000 So, I don't know how much more I could do that at this point.

02:32:32.000 Tariffs on certainly industries that are taking advantage of us so that they are reciprocal.

02:32:38.000 I would do my best to onshore jobs by basically going the opposite of directions like NAFTA.

02:32:41.000 I'd punish companies that offshore them, incentivize them to onshore them.

02:32:44.000 I'd have tax cuts across the board, but certainly middle class families.

02:32:49.000 No more foreign lobbying organizations and no more blank check to Israel.

02:32:53.000 And, of course, no more money to Ukraine.

02:32:55.000 I would pull us from NATO until everyone meets their payments. 1.00

02:33:00.000 But maybe I think that Iran is a threat. 1.00

02:33:03.000 Could you vote for me?

02:33:05.000 Well, you know, again, it's like, do you think Iran is a threat?

02:33:08.000 It's a very realistic candidate.

02:33:09.000 Could you vote for me?

02:33:11.000 Could you be a part of my coalition?

02:33:14.000 Here's the problem. 0.64

02:33:15.000 You go to war with Iran.

02:33:16.000 What does that mean? 0.99

02:33:18.000 You know, you say, well, we'll give them three months.

02:33:20.000 It's like, how are we going to win this one?

02:33:21.000 Gas prices are $5, $6 a gallon.

02:33:24.000 Strait of Hormuz is closed. 0.91

02:33:26.000 Israel is chomping at the bit for us to. 0.94

02:33:29.000 Reignite the war and expand it. 0.82

02:33:31.000 It's like, are we getting into another Iraq? 0.94

02:33:33.000 Are we invading Iran? 0.85

02:33:34.000 Are we nuking Iran? 0.89

02:33:35.000 I'm asking you all those other things.

02:33:36.000 In other words, no candidate is perfect.

02:33:38.000 You've bitched about the purity test a lot lately. 0.92

02:33:41.000 Let's reduce it.

02:33:43.000 Is that what you're saying?

02:33:43.000 You just said, I don't want to win the war.

02:33:45.000 I supported the military intervention in Iran.

02:33:47.000 So, all those other things.

02:33:49.000 There's a Democrat who is to the left in all those other things, but was vehemently against Iran.

02:33:54.000 Could you vote for me?

02:33:55.000 Could you be a part of my coalition if I want to take back the White House?

02:33:58.000 See, I don't know what the value of the thought experiment is. 0.89

02:34:00.000 A war with Iran is not a purity test. 0.69

02:34:02.000 I'm trying to figure out.

02:34:04.000 What matters most because candidates who may magically appear need to know what the purity test is for 2028 because we still don't have a name or description.

02:34:13.000 I'm saying someone like me, I should meet the purity test, except for, you know what?

02:34:17.000 I'll give it three months in Iran.

02:34:18.000 But everything else.

02:34:21.000 Okay.

02:34:22.000 Would you vote for me? 0.98

02:34:23.000 Then that's assuming again that you can bomb Iran and then walk away. 0.78

02:34:27.000 We're going to bomb Iran a little bit, but not like, is that what's happening? 0.82

02:34:31.000 No, we're stuck. 0.97

02:34:32.000 Could you vote for me?

02:34:34.000 No, no, I can't.

02:34:35.000 I need America first.

02:34:36.000 Okay.

02:34:37.000 And America first means we're not at war with Iran and we're not importing a million illegals every year.

02:34:41.000 Okay.

02:34:42.000 I got it.

02:34:43.000 That's fair.

02:34:45.000 I understand it.

02:34:45.000 Hey, this is where we have a difference of opinion.

02:34:47.000 It's not the deal breaker for me in the same way that it is to you.

02:34:51.000 But I understand where we line up.

02:34:53.000 Can we take some chats and can you tell people where the best place is to reach you while we're here, mass public?

02:34:57.000 I mean, I do.

02:34:58.000 Hopefully, this is still, I know it got more intense, but respect.

02:35:00.000 Also, I'll issue one correction.

02:35:02.000 I was corrected by a friend who raises horses.

02:35:04.000 It's champing at the bit.

02:35:05.000 And I was saying that for years because champing.

02:35:07.000 It's interchangeable.

02:35:08.000 It's interchangeable.

02:35:09.000 He took.

02:35:10.000 He's a horse guy.

02:35:10.000 He said it's not.

02:35:11.000 But he was like, don't.

02:35:13.000 It drives me nuts when you say champing.

02:35:14.000 I investigated this years ago.

02:35:16.000 Did you?

02:35:16.000 Yeah.

02:35:17.000 So did I.

02:35:17.000 But he swears by it.

02:35:18.000 So, okay.

02:35:18.000 All right.

02:35:19.000 It can go both ways.

02:35:20.000 I don't really care.

02:35:22.000 As long as we both agree that we publicly execute anyone who says, irregardless. 0.61

02:35:26.000 Yes, yes. 0.68

02:35:28.000 Perfect.

02:35:28.000 Best place for people to find you, Nick, and then we'll take some chats.

02:35:32.000 Rumble.com slash Nick J. Fuentes and x.com slash Nick J. Fuentes.

02:35:36.000 All right.

02:35:36.000 And if people want to continue and you want to send Nick your chats, you can right there click that button, join Rumble Premium, which, by the way, allows freedom of speech to exist.

02:35:45.000 This is one beautiful thing, as far as I would say, progress that's been made where we can have these conversations.

02:35:49.000 I think this may even be simul streamed on YouTube. 1.00

02:35:51.000 So we stuck it to the old ghost of Wajitski there. 1.00

02:35:55.000 Nick, I'm going to go. 1.00

02:35:57.000 I'm going to go tinkle so you can do that too, and we'll come back and take chats.

02:36:00.000 Is that okay?

02:36:01.000 Okay.

02:36:01.000 Yeah, sounds good.

02:36:02.000 All right, I'll be right back.

02:36:03.000 Thank you, Nick Fuentes, everybody.

02:36:04.000 We'll talk more in Rumble Premium.

Louder with Crowder - May 12, 2026

Steven Crowder Debates Nick Fuentes: Trump Has Failed & You Should Vote Democrat

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