Louder with Crowder - December 08, 2025


🔴 The Cinnabon N-Bomb: We Just Don't Care Anymore 2025-12-08 17:27


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On this week's episode, we discuss the fallout from a recent interview with Nick Fadees, the controversy surrounding his comments on identity politics, and whether or not he should have been more forthcoming with his thoughts on the Charlie Kirk controversy.

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00:00:00.000 With some kind of collectivist identity.
00:00:01.000 And obviously, we are against identity politics as a form of governance.
00:00:05.000 But he is saying, look, it's okay to act on generalizations, on general blocks of information, because everyone else does.
00:00:13.000 And when we say, as the only race of people who say, oh, no, no, it's just up to the individual, we do so at our own detriment because we're now at a disadvantage when other people say, hey, we're a group, black people, when other people say, hey, we're a group, Jewish people, hey, we're a group, Somalis.
00:00:27.000 He's already rejected the premise that there's a problem with looking at group identity as opposed to strictly the individual.
00:00:34.000 So you may disagree with it, but Pierce Morgan hasn't done his research because that's no longer a valid line of attack.
00:00:40.000 Nick, you've seen it.
00:00:41.000 He'll go, well, yeah, I think that people operate as blocks in communities.
00:00:47.000 And I think that every other demographic looks at generalizations and they use that to inform your decisions.
00:00:52.000 And it's okay for white people to do so as well. 0.86
00:00:55.000 You may disagree with it, but he's already addressed that point.
00:00:58.000 So there's no reason to waste time on your father's half Mexican. 0.94
00:01:01.000 Chat, chat, fuck. 0.86
00:01:05.000 All right.
00:01:05.000 First chat from Mike A. Patterson.
00:01:08.000 Question for Crew.
00:01:10.000 Did anything Nick Fuentes said change your minds?
00:01:15.000 In the interview?
00:01:16.000 Yes.
00:01:18.000 Hmm.
00:01:18.000 That's a good.
00:01:19.000 No, because again, it was my job to kind of question him and clarify.
00:01:22.000 So he wasn't really in the position to be, you know, convincing me.
00:01:28.000 I would say, if anything, what did surprise me, and I told him this afterward, because he did go on a show and he was very praising and very nice.
00:01:39.000 That goes beyond the interview.
00:01:41.000 He did, and I will say he's been known to release texts and private communications.
00:01:46.000 He did go on to say, hey, you know what?
00:01:48.000 He said, you know, Crowder, his people reached out and they said that they were going to press me and ask me, you know, to give out, kind of flesh out my ideas.
00:01:56.000 And that's exactly what they did.
00:01:58.000 He could have been a dick.
00:01:59.000 And he would have been within his right to because, you know, I said some bad things about him and he said some bad things about me.
00:02:05.000 He said something to this effect.
00:02:07.000 I told him that if he had lied about the Groypers, the stuff like people coming out and encouraging them to troll, that it would have been a different interview. 0.87
00:02:13.000 The fact that he right away said, yeah, I think they kind of did.
00:02:16.000 And okay, that's fair.
00:02:18.000 He admitted it.
00:02:20.000 I did, my perception changed where, look, here's the truth.
00:02:24.000 A lot of people who have interviewed Nick in the past have been doxxed or have been swatted.
00:02:29.000 I don't know, and I don't know that I've ever seen Nick make that call.
00:02:32.000 I know that I've seen him in recent months at least condemn it post-Charlie Kirk.
00:02:37.000 I do know that I've seen him condemn it, but he also acknowledged the trolling thing.
00:02:42.000 I thought, here's what changed.
00:02:43.000 I said, you know what?
00:02:44.000 I think this, he was in his early 20s and everyone was trolling.
00:02:48.000 And in his mind, sending people to troll Charlie Kirk or Bench or my shows, like to ask questions, whatever it is, about the USS Liberty or like that's a game.
00:02:56.000 He called it a game in the interview.
00:02:58.000 Yeah.
00:02:58.000 And I, you know, even though I think it's kind of crappy, I can understand how someone could view that as a game and not necessarily be looking to have people swatted or doxed because a lot of people have experienced that.
00:03:12.000 I think it's just there is a subset of his audience that is somewhat unstable because they feel marginalized.
00:03:18.000 Rightfully so they have been.
00:03:20.000 And so they fight back.
00:03:21.000 And sometimes it's aimed at the wrong targets.
00:03:23.000 I got the sense that, you know, I don't know that Nick is specifically a part of that.
00:03:27.000 And I don't get the sense that he is doing that now.
00:03:30.000 He acknowledged that it was kind of a game and he kind of played it sometimes to his detriment.
00:03:35.000 And so my perception changed a bit on that.
00:03:37.000 I mean, he was in his early, early 20s.
00:03:40.000 And I'm one of the only other people who grew up in the public eye the same way, right?
00:03:44.000 In my late teens, early 20s with a blue bed sheet.
00:03:46.000 Now, I wasn't on for hours at that point.
00:03:48.000 These were individual installments with videos.
00:03:50.000 I guarantee you there would be things in my early 20s if I was rolling for two hours that I wouldn't want to be held to now, especially if taken out of context.
00:03:59.000 So I had to allow for it.
00:04:01.000 Hey, anyone out there maybe wish you could word something more carefully than what you said in your 20s, which is why I tried to get to the issues where we might actually have disagreement contextually or more recent things as far as, okay, is this what you believe now?
00:04:16.000 And can you see why people have a problem with that?
00:04:19.000 So I wouldn't say he changed my mind or anything, but I would say my perception changed somewhat for the more popular.
00:04:25.000 The fact too that he said, if I could say, you know what, I shouldn't have said it that way.
00:04:28.000 That's huge for me.
00:04:28.000 I would say it differently.
00:04:30.000 If it's true, like if he truly believes that.
00:04:32.000 And I understand people are saying, oh, he's just doing what Coleman Hughes says.
00:04:35.000 But I asked him about that.
00:04:36.000 No, I know.
00:04:37.000 And I appreciated that.
00:04:38.000 But when he said, you know, I probably shouldn't have said that.
00:04:41.000 You know, if I could take that back, I would.
00:04:43.000 I was, okay.
00:04:44.000 Here's what changed.
00:04:44.000 I haven't seen that before.
00:04:45.000 Here's what changed.
00:04:46.000 Yeah.
00:04:47.000 Here's what changed.
00:04:48.000 I think I have a sense for not the fan base, but Nick himself.
00:04:52.000 I think he has a code.
00:04:54.000 And I think he can, you know, like all of us can react in a way sometimes that's emotionally charged and maybe you overreach, especially when you're broadcasting for a long time.
00:05:02.000 And I think if you look at, for example, Tucker or you look at Candace, he turns on everyone.
00:05:09.000 I understand, but I also understand they did kind of do him dirty.
00:05:13.000 If after this interview, he goes on a show and says, and Pierce Morgan, you know, and by the way, he did what he did and it wasn't right and it wasn't done in good faith.
00:05:19.000 Are people going to say, see, that's Nick, sour grapes?
00:05:22.000 This was done as kind of a hit job.
00:05:24.000 And if Tucker Carlson did that interview and was friendly with him, but then at dinner was asking him about his association with white supremacists and then afterwards throws him under the bus, I do think that's shitty.
00:05:33.000 And I think that Nick does have a code.
00:05:35.000 Like I set the rules.
00:05:37.000 I asked him if he was okay with it.
00:05:39.000 And the entire interview, he played by them.
00:05:41.000 And so did I.
00:05:43.000 And not everybody does that.
00:05:45.000 I think that he does have a, if he, if he, and I could be wrong, and if you guys think I could just be completely led by the nose and then he could break bad and say, Stephen Growder is a piece of crap, paid by Apex.
00:05:54.000 I don't think he is going to.
00:05:56.000 I think that very few people have given him exactly what they said they would as far as an interview.
00:06:01.000 And I'm willing to bet that that's the case because I've had it happen with me.
00:06:05.000 I've had it happen with me where I get brought on and I get asked about being a racist or you have someone trying to go, hey, you're a woman beater or despite a court record showing the exact opposite.
00:06:15.000 Very few people who have a longer court record showing the opposite.
00:06:18.000 I've had it happen.
00:06:20.000 And so if someone says, look, I'm going to bring you on and I'm going to disagree.
00:06:24.000 This is what we'll touch on.
00:06:25.000 I will avoid this.
00:06:27.000 Sometimes you'll have a host say, I don't want to talk about this.
00:06:29.000 And I'll say, okay.
00:06:29.000 I'll say, you know, I don't want to talk about this.
00:06:31.000 Let's laser in.
00:06:32.000 And then they just go rogue.
00:06:34.000 And I've had it even happen with Pierce, not to this degree.
00:06:36.000 So I did think like, okay, I understand him a little better.
00:06:41.000 I still disagree with him on some fundamentals, but I understand where he's coming from a little bit more.
00:06:48.000 And I do think he has, I will say this, I do think he has more integrity than people like Tucker or Candace.
00:06:54.000 People who don't ever show up to defend their views.
00:06:57.000 You know, it's just a tough one for me.
00:07:01.000 People who make the walk.
00:07:02.000 And I think that he does kind of have a code.
00:07:04.000 And I think if he feels as though you're being misleading or sandbagging, that he goes scorched earth for right or wrong.
00:07:11.000 Next chat.
00:07:12.000 All right.
00:07:12.000 Next chat.
00:07:13.000 This is more of a comment than a question, I guess, but Con Wolf says it was a very good listen.
00:07:17.000 I can listen to what Crowder thinks every day.
00:07:19.000 Wanted to hear Nick, got to hear him, didn't care for much of it, but got to hear it unfiltered.
00:07:23.000 And see, that's fine.
00:07:25.000 That's the point, right?
00:07:27.000 I wanted people to leave going, okay, I disagree with this.
00:07:31.000 Or, you know what?
00:07:32.000 Okay, maybe I want to hear more of it and see why he believes XYZ.
00:07:37.000 I know that there are people there who are fans of Nick who were surprised that it was more fair.
00:07:41.000 And I know there were some people who were surprised that it was maybe more friendly than you thought.
00:07:45.000 Or some people who thought, hey, it was shitty to play those clips and it was tedious.
00:07:50.000 That's why I did it the way that I did.
00:07:52.000 And I will say this.
00:07:52.000 I think that we conducted the best interview with someone like this of anyone out there.
00:07:57.000 Some people just go, yeah, you're great.
00:08:00.000 And then people like this go, but aren't you a racist?
00:08:02.000 Who is that?
00:08:03.000 Who is that serving?
00:08:05.000 Nobody other than the person trying to get clicks or just do audience capture.
00:08:09.000 And Nick did say, too, he said, it would have been easy for Crowder to have me on and just crap on me and sandbag me and cut me off.
00:08:17.000 He said, that would have been easier for him to do.
00:08:20.000 He didn't have to do it the way that he did.
00:08:22.000 And even though he said, I don't like listening to those clips, it's not my favorite part.
00:08:26.000 He said, but it was fair.
00:08:27.000 Yeah.
00:08:28.000 Well, there's a difference between having, you know, Jillian Michaels, we have a specific issue, right?
00:08:32.000 People we've had specific issues with.
00:08:33.000 We've had them on the show.
00:08:35.000 But when we interview somebody like, you know, Myron Gaines, and he has a lot of very unpopular positions and positions that I vehemently disagree with.
00:08:42.000 Of course.
00:08:42.000 And so do you, right?
00:08:44.000 We have a conversation about it.
00:08:45.000 Let's get down to what you really actually believe.
00:08:47.000 And for the first time ever, he's like, hey, maybe you don't sleep with 50 women.
00:08:50.000 And we're like, clarify the position and help people see like, hey, there's a little difference.
00:08:54.000 That's the kind of dialogue we've been talking about.
00:08:56.000 When people like Jordan Peterson and, you know, the millions probably of people before him in the United States that have been calling for free speech and calling for people to be able to have dialogue, do you think they meant like just scream at them until they come around to your position?
00:09:08.000 Right.
00:09:08.000 Or do you think they meant maybe having a conversation and letting people make up their own minds?
00:09:13.000 My God, quit farming out your ability to critically think to people that don't have any connection to this world.
00:09:19.000 Don't do it to Piers Morgan.
00:09:21.000 Don't put it in the hands of politicians or people in Hollywood.
00:09:24.000 You have the ability to critically think and understand both sides and do some research.
00:09:28.000 Take on the responsibility instead of yelling at your favorite host for not doing enough to expose this person.
00:09:34.000 Hey, if they're so easy to expose, you're up.
00:09:37.000 Go for it.
00:09:37.000 You're at bat.
00:09:38.000 Yep.
00:09:39.000 When I hear people criticizing people like you for platforming someone like Nick or someone else they might not agree with, it reminds me as a comedian, it reminds me of the CNN reporter who did an hour-long interview with Tim Dylan, trying to get him to apologize for putting JD Vance on his show during an election.
00:10:00.000 For the left trying to, you know, criticize Joe Rogan or trying to get him off the internet because he has different views or platforming a certain person.
00:10:10.000 Like Mark Marin criticized in a comedy special criticizing Theo Vaughan for having the president, a former president and currently running president, presidential candidate on his show.
00:10:23.000 That's what it reminds me of.
00:10:24.000 It reminds me of a leftist talking point.
00:10:25.000 It reminds me of some pussy shit saying, hey, you can't put them on there because I don't like what they say. 1.00
00:10:31.000 Well, it's like, let's talk about platforming Pierce Morgan.
00:10:34.000 This was a guy who wanted to remove your fund all Second Amendment rights.
00:10:37.000 You understand that, right?
00:10:38.000 Like around the same time that Nick Fointrust was 20 years old, Pierce Morgan was on mainstream news saying that the Second Amendment shouldn't apply and America has a gun problem and we need to get rid of all guns.
00:10:49.000 We used to go back and forth on Twitter.
00:10:51.000 Back then it was Twitter where I just lit him up because he was arrogant about it.
00:10:56.000 So it's okay for me to be on a platform with someone like that.
00:11:00.000 I mean, you can go back to an interview with Jesse Herps, the first transgender mayor.
00:11:03.000 If I just think of it as an example, because it was a local sort of politician and it was still very respectful.
00:11:09.000 Naomi Wolf.
00:11:11.000 You can go back to interviews with their angry feminists. 0.91
00:11:14.000 And I've always tried to conduct them the same way as a host.
00:11:16.000 There's a different version of me as a host.
00:11:17.000 It's my job to host.
00:11:18.000 I've invited them in my house, press back.
00:11:21.000 They can set the tone.
00:11:22.000 If I'm a guest and I know I'm a guest going on to a panel where I only have 10, 15 minutes, you can see that with, what was his name?
00:11:30.000 Walsh.
00:11:33.000 God, I forgot.
00:11:33.000 Not Matt Walsh.
00:11:34.000 Joe Walsh.
00:11:35.000 It's like, all right, I've only got 10 minutes to do this.
00:11:37.000 This is going to be quite a bit different.
00:11:40.000 Let's go.
00:11:41.000 That's not the same as a two-hour interview where you're actually trying to get to the root disagreements.
00:11:47.000 You can see me do it with people on the show who are actual communists.
00:11:51.000 No one doubts where I stand.
00:11:52.000 People talk about like platforming.
00:11:53.000 That's the thing with, I will say, Ben Shapiro's been on the show many times.
00:11:56.000 Ben Shapiro is sitting there on a panel with the people he was recently talking about how algorithms are destroying America.
00:12:02.000 Like, isn't that a bigger problem that you're on a panel with Don Lemon and two other leftists who've helped orchestrate this problem?
00:12:10.000 Why is it okay to platform those people?
00:12:12.000 Also, didn't him and his company kind of create some algorithms?
00:12:15.000 Bragged about it.
00:12:16.000 Didn't they brag about how much money they spent to create specific algorithms?
00:12:19.000 And didn't someone say, hey, your contracts are encouraging and doing the work of these algorithms?
00:12:24.000 Not Ben, but Jeremy Boring specifically.
00:12:26.000 My issue there was you do realize that if you penalize conservative creators, 25% for the first strike on YouTube and 15% thereafter, first off, is 110% penalties.
00:12:37.000 But you realize that you're actually facilitating the algorithms and the terms of service for YouTube and Facebook.
00:12:45.000 And the more conservatives you sign up, the more of a monolith it becomes with people who, per their contract from a conservative company, can't step out of line with these algorithms that are destroying America, right?
00:12:59.000 It's almost like someone pointed that out.
00:13:02.000 What a great deal they offered.
00:13:03.000 Yeah, I would have rather rent a house from BlackRock.
00:13:06.000 Yeah, exactly right.
00:13:08.000 Give my money to those Mexicans. 1.00
00:13:10.000 All right.
00:13:10.000 Next chat.
00:13:11.000 All right, next chat from my chimp.
00:13:13.000 Question for the crew: Do you think that when Fuentes says he loves Stalin without immediately saying not the murder and genocide, he's trying to create buzz?
00:13:20.000 Why else would he not?
00:13:22.000 Sure, but I also heard him on a show, like we played the clip where he said, not those things.
00:13:26.000 Obviously, not.
00:13:27.000 It's horrible to cause human suffering.
00:13:29.000 Like, I get it.
00:13:31.000 I still think there's a little bit, there's a there's a little bit of that.
00:13:34.000 Painting the hook.
00:13:34.000 Yeah, with a little bit of like, you know, it's he called Piers a tabloid journalist, which I thought was hilarious.
00:13:40.000 But there is a little bit of it.
00:13:41.000 It's like kind of like clickbait, where it's like, here's a big, here's a big statement I made.
00:13:46.000 Now watch the whole video.
00:13:47.000 You go, oh, you get the whole context.
00:13:48.000 You watch the whole video.
00:13:50.000 It's kind of in the style of like a J. Jonah Jameson Spider-Man.
00:13:54.000 It's like the big headline, and then, you know, you get the story.
00:13:57.000 But in this case, it's, you know, you get more context in it.
00:14:01.000 But I mean, I think even the context doesn't make it great where he's like, you know, and he's a winner.
00:14:05.000 And so I still like, well, I disagree.
00:14:07.000 That's why I said my, it was a very specific question.
00:14:10.000 I said, so you're saying, okay, you're a Stalin admirer.
00:14:13.000 I, you know, played the clip.
00:14:14.000 You're a Stalin admirer.
00:14:15.000 You're a fan.
00:14:16.000 You know his birthday by heart.
00:14:19.000 You don't want things that cause human suffering.
00:14:21.000 So it's the secret police, the show trials, right?
00:14:23.000 The gulags.
00:14:24.000 I said, so considering that your endgame is very similar, because you've mentioned, you know, Catholic theocracy, and he sort of clarified what he meant by that.
00:14:32.000 I said it's much more similar to something like an autocratic state.
00:14:36.000 And he's someone you point to as an example because he was successful.
00:14:41.000 What concrete example of revolutionary Stalin would you want to see emulated to achieve the end state?
00:14:49.000 And that's where then that conversation begins there.
00:14:53.000 So you're not spending time going, you said you live Stalin and the one, right? 0.89
00:14:58.000 Like, no, okay.
00:15:00.000 This is why people have an issue with that.
00:15:02.000 No, but your dad made a joke about Olive Gordon and black people.
00:15:05.000 That's right.
00:15:06.000 Let's talk about it again.
00:15:07.000 A lot of Applebee's two for 20, the spinach on the choke tape.
00:15:11.000 But it says here you went to Popeyes and noticed that black people were there.
00:15:15.000 What do you say to that?
00:15:17.000 Hey, hey, shouldn't be surprised, didn't it?
00:15:19.000 I'll go to Popeyes.
00:15:20.000 I would expect a few black people.
00:15:22.000 I don't know why he sounds like that.
00:15:24.000 Actually, it makes his dad sound a little bit cooler that he was like, hey, we're not going to Olive Garden or we're not going to Red Lobster and Bennigan's or whatever he said it was of Applebee's.
00:15:32.000 He's like, we're going to go somewhere else, maybe like a local joint.
00:15:34.000 Yeah.
00:15:34.000 Like, I get it.
00:15:35.000 I like that guy more.
00:15:36.000 Yeah, it was Applebee's and Red Lobster.
00:15:37.000 I'm convinced that Bennigan's is a restaurant that never existed, and Stephen made it up.
00:15:41.000 It did exist.
00:15:42.000 You take your favorite restaurant to mention, and I'm like, I've never heard of it.
00:15:45.000 I've never met a person.
00:15:46.000 I love those old places.
00:15:47.000 Back in the day, old school TGI Fridays, old school chilies, old school Bennigan's, old school Chi Chi's.
00:15:51.000 What Bennigans?
00:15:52.000 Bennigan's.
00:15:53.000 Well, there was a house that I was in that I almost bought, and my realtor, who's great, she's very, she's very funny.
00:15:58.000 She would actually bust my chops. 1.00
00:15:59.000 There was an old house that just needed to be gutted.
00:16:01.000 It was like the green carpet and stained glass sort of chandeliers.
00:16:04.000 I was like, you know what?
00:16:05.000 This isn't that bad.
00:16:05.000 I said, it's kind of like Bennigan's.
00:16:08.000 And then we go into work.
00:16:09.000 We saw like, we saw like the Griswold, like the burden mark from the cats that had died.
00:16:14.000 And she goes, no, this place, she goes, you can't just say it looks like Bennigan, Stephen.
00:16:21.000 Because she didn't think the place existed.
00:16:23.000 No, it's a real place.
00:16:25.000 Bennigan's used to be fun.
00:16:27.000 It did for about five minutes.
00:16:28.000 I'll take it to my grave.
00:16:30.000 As a kid.
00:16:30.000 All right.
00:16:30.000 You're a Friday's guy.
00:16:31.000 Next chat.
00:16:32.000 All right.
00:16:33.000 Next chat.
00:16:34.000 Let's see.
00:16:36.000 Danny J, 1987 asks, if Nick doesn't hate Jews, why do the majority of self-identifying Groypers believe that he does and openly do themselves?
00:16:45.000 Well, a lot of them definitely do.
00:16:47.000 Or certainly, again, I can't speak for all of them, but I've definitely seen some things that are anti-Semitic.
00:16:51.000 I think that if you deny the Holocaust, that's anti-Semitic.
00:16:55.000 I think if you visit our chat, you'll find some in there.
00:17:00.000 That's also because a lot of the gripers, a lot of Nick's fans come in there, and that's a big thing they do.
00:17:04.000 They troll.
00:17:04.000 They try and there's that sort of thing.
00:17:06.000 And guys, I know you're here from the Nick interview.
00:17:08.000 Please don't do that.
00:17:09.000 Like, this is one thing I would say.
00:17:11.000 And if I were to ever have another interview with Nick, I would ask him to like, hey, condemn that.
00:17:16.000 You know, if your people are doing any swatting or doxing.
00:17:18.000 Now, I know if I asked him that, he would go, well, that has nothing to do with me.
00:17:21.000 And it wouldn't be fruitful.
00:17:23.000 But could you do more to maybe discourage the kind of behavior that mass bullies people on other forms and just know, hey, no one here is paid by anybody.
00:17:31.000 It's okay if we just disagree and you want to have a civil disagreement on that front.
00:17:36.000 Like I said, I think that Nick has views that other people would by and large classify as anti-Semitic.
00:17:42.000 He clarifies that he doesn't think they are and separates.
00:17:46.000 He delineates between groups of Jews.
00:17:47.000 But I understand that a lot of people would even look at what he says in detail and say, okay, I think there's an undercurrent of anti-Semitism.
00:17:54.000 I don't think it's any, I don't think it's as severe as a lot of his followers saying the Holocaust didn't happen and expel all Jews.
00:18:02.000 Because the thing is, if you expel all Jews from the United States and then you also believe that Israel shouldn't exist, well, then you are advocating for effectively a genocide.
00:18:08.000 Where are you going to go?
00:18:09.000 Where are you going to go?
00:18:10.000 Canada?
00:18:11.000 Yeah.
00:18:11.000 I mean, maybe.
00:18:12.000 I think, too, and we've kind of like everybody.
00:18:14.000 No, no, nobody.
00:18:15.000 Canada.
00:18:16.000 We've discussed this.
00:18:17.000 Like having honest conversations is fine.
00:18:19.000 I think this has veered into, well, you have a conversation about this, and so therefore you're on one of the sides.
00:18:24.000 You're either a Nazi shill or something like that, or you're a shill for Israel. 0.90
00:18:28.000 And it's like, well, hold on.
00:18:29.000 I can have a legitimate conversation about what really happened with the USS Liberty.
00:18:33.000 And you guys know probably where I stand on that.
00:18:35.000 Much more leaning towards accidental than them trying to get us into war.
00:18:40.000 But I understand where people are coming from because I've had the conversations.
00:18:43.000 I don't think they're anti-Semitic for asking.
00:18:45.000 Asking how many people actually died and what was the methodology to kind of figure out how many people died in the Holocaust.
00:18:49.000 That's totally fine.
00:18:50.000 Unless you're saying the Holocaust didn't exist and trying to go at it from that direction. 0.56
00:18:54.000 But having like a curiosity, well, how did they figure that out?
00:18:57.000 There have been trials about this.
00:18:58.000 There's been a ton of conversations.
00:19:00.000 That's fine, too.
00:19:00.000 Let me ask you.
00:19:01.000 All of those things are fine.
00:19:02.000 This is why sometimes people say I'm very, I'm too lenient.
00:19:05.000 And here's something too: this is sort of a misconception.
00:19:10.000 Charlie Kirk was far more rude and unfriendly to students than I ever was with Change My Mind.
00:19:16.000 He would have them set up with a microphone and dunk.
00:19:18.000 And then sometimes people were surprised, like, well, this goes on.
00:19:21.000 It's like, sure, because I'm trying to walk them down the path.
00:19:23.000 And if you're.
00:19:24.000 Got a change of mind.
00:19:25.000 Yes.
00:19:26.000 That's really what it is.
00:19:27.000 And if you are proselytizing, right?
00:19:29.000 You're in a mission strip.
00:19:30.000 Do you go, if someone goes like, ah, I don't want that, I don't want any of that Christian shit. 1.00
00:19:34.000 Do you just go like, oh, they're an anti-Christian right away?
00:19:36.000 Well, they reject.
00:19:37.000 Or do you then ask a question?
00:19:38.000 Well, hey, hold on.
00:19:39.000 What do you know?
00:19:40.000 Hey, how familiar are you with it?
00:19:42.000 And do you explore every possibility until you get to the point where you go, well, this person rejects Christ.
00:19:47.000 It's the same thing right now where there's a vein of anti-Semitism.
00:19:50.000 And by the way, this, or an undercurrent with Candace Owens is an example where I know that people who believe what she says, they're maybe anti-Semitic because they believe what she says, and it's just not true.
00:20:03.000 And so it's incumbent upon me to go, okay, but do you think that because you believe this?
00:20:08.000 What if I could disabuse you of that and walk through it?
00:20:11.000 And then if at the end of it, they go, I don't care.
00:20:12.000 I just, I still think it's the Jews. 1.00
00:20:14.000 Well, then I'll say anti-Semitic. 0.84
00:20:16.000 But I can't just write them off.
00:20:17.000 I mean, there would be no spread of Christianity if we treated it that way. 0.90
00:20:21.000 There would be no spread of anything if we just went, oh, well, because they say so.
00:20:26.000 Well, sure.
00:20:27.000 But do they understand the fundamental premise?
00:20:30.000 And have they been misinformed?
00:20:32.000 And I will say this, that there are definitely some people, certainly the left has always done this.
00:20:36.000 You know, for example, the left, people going, well, Donald Trump is a racist.
00:20:41.000 So you watch me even black and white in the gray issues.
00:20:43.000 You can go back to that clip.
00:20:45.000 It's very much the same as with some of the Nick Fuente stuff, or certainly some of his fans, where I go, yeah, you said very fine people.
00:20:52.000 But what if he said I'm not saying neo-Nazis and white supremacists who should be condemned totally?
00:20:56.000 I said, well, I don't know.
00:20:57.000 Maybe that would change.
00:20:58.000 I haven't seen it.
00:20:59.000 I said, yeah, but what if I could show you that tape?
00:21:01.000 Well, I don't know.
00:21:02.000 I said, but if I showed it to you, assume I'm not lying.
00:21:04.000 I don't have it on a projector right now, but I send it to you.
00:21:08.000 Would that change your mind?
00:21:10.000 Well, I'd have to see it.
00:21:12.000 I went through that same line of question.
00:21:13.000 Do you think he's a racist because you believe this?
00:21:16.000 But do you know this?
00:21:18.000 And if they watch it, and if I show them two or three more clips and then show them that Arsenio Hall, the most talentless bag of nothing, won the celebrity apprentice.
00:21:28.000 And I go, maybe he's not a racist.
00:21:30.000 And they go, okay, maybe you've convinced me.
00:21:32.000 Now we can have the conversation.
00:21:34.000 But I'm going to press if I think they have been misinformed because I will tell you this.
00:21:39.000 That is, if you can do that with those on the left, and I say this doing change my minds, if you can get through the misinformation and the false premise after false premise after false premise and get someone to accept that their premise is false, that is the only way I've seen people leave the left, leave wrong ideologies.
00:22:01.000 It's the only way.
00:22:03.000 And you have to afford them that opportunity.
00:22:08.000 You have to afford them that opportunity and go, look, they may not know.
00:22:11.000 Once you've gone through it, right, to each man what is known.
00:22:16.000 Once you've gone through it, okay, you know now.
00:22:19.000 Now, if I see you on the other side of that fence, if I see you saying very fine people, I know you're repeating a lie because I know that I informed you.
00:22:28.000 I know that I showed you the clip, watched it with you, where you saw him say, I'm not saying white supremacists and neo-Nazis who should be condemned totally, whatever the exact quote is.
00:22:38.000 I watched it with you.
00:22:40.000 You said it would change the context and you're still repeating it.
00:22:44.000 All right, now it's time to, now it's time to put on the foil coach because I know where you stand.
00:22:50.000 That is what I believe.
00:22:52.000 And I can tell you this because I've been around for a long time.
00:22:54.000 I've seen so many people's minds changed.
00:22:58.000 And I've seen so many people believe that they hold views that they don't actually hold.
00:23:05.000 And I know the difference between those people and someone acting in bad faith.
00:23:11.000 And it's important.
00:23:12.000 How many times have I told you it's important to delineate between the two?
00:23:16.000 Those who are died in the wool leftists who have a vested interest in keeping the false narrative alive.
00:23:20.000 You're never going to change your mind.
00:23:21.000 You make an example of them.
00:23:22.000 Then you have people who believe it by default.
00:23:25.000 And I think that with Nick, you add to that the fact that a lot of people have falsely portrayed some of his views.
00:23:35.000 His views themselves are controversial enough to a good portion of the population, but you got to be accurate as to what they are.
00:23:41.000 And I think a lot of people don't know.
00:23:43.000 And then I think some of his premises themselves are incorrect.
00:23:48.000 But I think he makes a good case for them.
00:23:50.000 Like I know that for the Second Amendment, right.
00:23:51.000 You know, I don't know.
00:23:52.000 He also made a really good point.
00:23:53.000 He said, I'm not saying that the Second Amendment doesn't matter.
00:23:55.000 He said, but I was de-banked.
00:23:57.000 You know, I was deplatformed.
00:23:59.000 The Second Amendment isn't enough in the 21st century.
00:24:03.000 I think that's a valid argument to make.
00:24:05.000 If we start with it's paramount, you can't change that.
00:24:09.000 But we may need some more rights enshrined to protect people from a tyrannical government because there are other ways that they can conquer you outside of the end of a rifle.
00:24:20.000 Someone makes a compelling case or an argument, I want to explore it.
00:24:24.000 Final chat.
00:24:25.000 All right, final chat from our crime attorney.
00:24:27.000 Stephen, when you stated a couple years ago that what was happening would cause more people to become racist, do you think Nick and his followers prove you right?
00:24:36.000 No, because I don't think that they're necessarily racist.
00:24:40.000 I think some are.
00:24:41.000 I think you could say that about a lot of, I guarantee you, some Pierce Morgan followers are racist.
00:24:47.000 So I don't think that they prove me right.
00:24:50.000 I think, for example, what we're seeing as far as the reaction to ladies, and I'm not even saying she's a racist, but her yelling the N-word at Somalis, like you could never picture that a while ago.
00:25:02.000 And if you create a bubble and if you just sort of tell, you can't talk about this.
00:25:08.000 You can't talk about something that people know to be so.
00:25:10.000 This is why this is so ineffective with Pierce Morgan.
00:25:12.000 People watching this inherently know that black people in the United States, as a demographic, are much more violent. 1.00
00:25:18.000 People know that.
00:25:19.000 But if you start off with, and why should you say that?
00:25:22.000 Isn't it down to the individual?
00:25:23.000 People go, like, this isn't, this isn't, this is useless.
00:25:27.000 This is useless.
00:25:28.000 And then they go, you know what?
00:25:29.000 I used to say you shouldn't say the N-word, but now if that's what breaks through, fine.
00:25:33.000 Fine.
00:25:34.000 I mean, what do you think?
00:25:35.000 What I was talking about too is, what do you think happens if you're a young white man and you have one white guy who gets expelled because he goes into a black-only space, like at Mizzou or whatever it is? 0.59
00:25:46.000 Or you get two people, okay, this person has now got an F because they didn't do the check your privilege test or white guilt test or whatever it was that they were issuing at that point in time.
00:25:55.000 Okay, there's one or there's two.
00:25:57.000 But then when you have hundreds of thousands or millions and people know that it's a lie and they're saying, look, look, look, I'm not saying all black people and I'm not a racist, but there is a point in time where the person goes, the person who is saying, I am not a racist, but if you keep silencing them and saying, no, no, I don't want to hear your views at all.
00:26:17.000 I don't want to hear your views at all because you won't check your white privilege. 0.61
00:26:19.000 I don't want to hear your views at all because you don't believe in reparations.
00:26:22.000 I don't want to hear your views at all because you don't believe in DEI.
00:26:24.000 I don't want to hear your views at all because you're citing crime statistics.
00:26:26.000 The person saying, I'm not racist, but will transform to, I'm a fucking racist.
00:26:33.000 How about that?
00:26:36.000 That will happen.
00:26:37.000 It is inevitable.
00:26:39.000 It is inevitable.
00:26:41.000 And so what I want is to listen to the person first saying, I'm not racist, but I went to an all-black school and I got my ass kicked. 0.98
00:26:50.000 And I had black friends, but I also saw what happened with them getting involved with crime. 0.97
00:26:55.000 I'm not racist, but we do need to talk about the problem of catch and release and this man who killed Irina Zaruska being out 14 times.
00:27:03.000 I'm not racist, but Daniel Penny on that subway, who was assisted by other minorities to use the word, because on that subway, they probably weren't a minority.
00:27:12.000 I'm not racist, but I think labeling that guy a racist is actually a problem because we need more good Samaritans.
00:27:18.000 I'm not racist, but I think there's an incentive for Jussie Smollett to fake a race crime because that's a currency in the entertainment industry. 1.00
00:27:28.000 I'm not racist, but I think it's disgusting that Bubba Wallace said there was a noose and people ran with it and we knew it wasn't true.
00:27:35.000 It was likely as true as the race crime hoax of poop swastika. 0.97
00:27:39.000 By the way, Nazis don't tend to draw their symbol and poop.
00:27:41.000 I'm not racist, but we need to have an honest conversation about what makes us different, the different problems that these communities are facing, why we don't want it in ours, and see how we can fix it.
00:27:56.000 Because the only solution, I'm not racist, but the only solution if we stay on this trail is what, the balkanization of the United States.
00:28:02.000 I'm not racist, but and all along when that person is saying it, by the way, most of America, certainly all of black and other minority America, they will say these things and they'll get off scot-free.
00:28:14.000 There is a point in time where I'm not racist, but will transform.
00:28:19.000 Not can it, it will transform.
00:28:22.000 Two, I'm a fucking racist.
00:28:24.000 If you refuse to listen and you silence them.
00:28:28.000 So I'm not saying I want to get to, I'm a fucking racist.
00:28:32.000 What I'm saying is I want to listen to people and not get to that face.
00:28:38.000 I'm not racist, but again, I'm using this right here to make a point.
00:28:43.000 I'm not saying that exact phrase.
00:28:44.000 I'm not racist, but this is a problem that I've noticed.
00:28:46.000 And I feel like we're not allowed to talk about it.
00:28:49.000 You know how you prevent that from becoming, I'm a fucking racist?
00:28:53.000 Is you go, you know what?
00:28:55.000 Let me hear you.
00:28:56.000 Let's talk about it.
00:28:58.000 A lot of people don't want to because they see it as platforming.
00:29:02.000 It's not what we do here.
00:29:04.000 I'll platform Jillian Michaels, angry lesbian who adopted or had a surrogate baby. 0.98
00:29:09.000 There are few things that are more of an affront to God than that.
00:29:12.000 See you tomorrow for all
00:30:33.000 Second Amendment rights.
00:30:35.000 You understand that, right?
00:30:35.000 Like around the same time that Nick Feunthrist was 20 years old, Pierce Morgan was on mainstream news saying that the Second Amendment shouldn't apply and America has a gun problem and we need to get rid of all guns.
00:30:47.000 We used to go back and forth on Twitter.
00:30:49.000 Back then it was Twitter where I just lit him up because he was arrogant about it.
00:30:54.000 So it's okay for me to be on a platform with someone like that.
00:30:58.000 I mean, you can go back to an interview with Jesse Herbs, the first transgender marriage.
00:31:02.000 I just think of it as an example because it was a local sort of politician and it was still very respectful.
00:31:07.000 Naomi Wolf, you can go back to interviews with their angry feminists, and I've always tried to conduct them the same way as a host. 1.00
00:31:14.000 There's a different version of me as a host.
00:31:15.000 It's my job to host.
00:31:16.000 I've invited them in my house, press back.
00:31:19.000 They can set the tone.
00:31:20.000 If I'm a guest and I know I'm a guest going on to a panel where I only have 10, 15 minutes, you can see that with, what was his name?
00:31:28.000 Walsh.
00:31:31.000 God, I forgot.
00:31:31.000 Not Matt Walsh.
00:31:32.000 Joe.
00:31:32.000 Joe Walsh.
00:31:33.000 It's like, all right, I've only got 10 minutes to do this.
00:31:35.000 This is going to be quite a bit different.
00:31:38.000 Let's go.
00:31:39.000 That's not the same as a two-hour interview where you're actually trying to get to the root disagreements.
00:31:45.000 You can see me do it with people on the show who are actual communists.
00:31:49.000 No one doubts where I stand.
00:31:50.000 People talk about like platforming.
00:31:51.000 That's the thing with, I will say, Ben Shapiro's been on the show many times.
00:31:54.000 Ben Shapiro is sitting there on a panel with the people he was recently talking about how algorithms are destroying America.
00:31:59.000 Like, isn't that a bigger problem that you're on a panel with Don Lemon and two other leftists who've helped orchestrate this problem?
00:32:07.000 Why is it okay to platform those people?
00:32:09.000 Also, didn't him and his company kind of create some algorithms?
00:32:13.000 Bragged about it.
00:32:14.000 Didn't they brag about how much money they spent to create specific algorithms?
00:32:17.000 And didn't someone say, hey, your contracts are encouraging and doing the work of these algorithms?
00:32:22.000 Not Ben, but Jeremy Boring specifically.
00:32:23.000 My issue there was you do realize that if you penalize conservative creators, 25% for the first strike on YouTube and 15% thereafter, first off, is 110% penalties.
00:32:35.000 But you realize that you're actually facilitating the algorithms and the terms of service for YouTube and Facebook.
00:32:43.000 And the more conservatives you sign up, the more of a monolith it becomes with people who per their contract from a conservative company can't step out of line with these algorithms that are destroying America, right?
00:32:57.000 It's almost like someone pointed that out.
00:33:00.000 What a great deal they offered.
00:33:01.000 Yeah.
00:33:01.000 I would have rather rent a house from BlackRock.
00:33:03.000 Yeah, exactly right.
00:33:05.000 Give my money to those Mexicans. 1.00
00:33:07.000 All right.
00:33:08.000 Next chat.
00:33:09.000 All right.
00:33:09.000 Next chat from my chimp.
00:33:11.000 Question for the crew: Do you think that when Fuentes says he loves Stalin without immediately saying not the murder and genocide, he's trying to create buzz?
00:33:18.000 Why else would he not?
00:33:20.000 Sure, but I also heard him on a show, like we played the clip where he said, not those things.
00:33:24.000 Obviously, not.
00:33:25.000 It's horrible to cause human suffering.
00:33:27.000 Like, I get it.
00:33:29.000 I still think.
00:33:30.000 There's a little bit of that.
00:33:31.000 Taking the hook.
00:33:32.000 Yeah, with a little bit of like, you know, it's, he called Piers a tabloid journalist, which I thought was hilarious.
00:33:38.000 But there is a little bit of it.
00:33:39.000 It's like kind of like clickbait, where it's like, here's a big, here's a big statement I made.
00:33:44.000 Now watch the whole video.
00:33:45.000 You go, oh, you get the whole context.
00:33:46.000 You watch the whole radio.
00:33:48.000 It's kind of in the style of like a J. Jonah Jameson Spider-Man.
00:33:51.000 It's like the big headline.
00:33:53.000 And then, you know, you get the story.
00:33:55.000 But in this case, it's, you know, you get more context in it.
00:33:58.000 But I mean, I think even the context doesn't make it great where he's like, you know, one and he's a winner.
00:34:03.000 And so I still like, well, I disagree.
00:34:05.000 That's why I said my, it was a very specific question.
00:34:07.000 I said, so you're saying, okay, you're a Stalin admirer.
00:34:11.000 I, you know, played the clip.
00:34:12.000 You're a Stalin admirer.
00:34:13.000 You're a fan.
00:34:14.000 You know his birthday by heart.
00:34:17.000 You don't want things that cause human suffering.
00:34:19.000 So the secret police, the show trials, right?
00:34:21.000 The gulags.
00:34:22.000 I said, so considering that your end game is very similar, because you've mentioned, you know, Catholic theocracy.
00:34:29.000 And he sort of clarified what he meant by that.
00:34:30.000 I said, it's much more similar to, you know, something like an autocratic state.
00:34:34.000 And he's someone you point to as an example because he was successful.
00:34:39.000 What concrete example of revolutionary Stalin would you want to see emulated to achieve the end state?
00:34:47.000 And that's where then that conversation begins there.
00:34:51.000 So you're not spending time going, you should begin Stalin and the one, right? 0.98
00:34:56.000 Like, no, okay.
00:34:58.000 This is why people have an issue with that.
00:35:00.000 No, but your dad made a joke about Olive Gordon and black people.
00:35:03.000 That's right.
00:35:04.000 Let's talk about it again.
00:35:05.000 I love Applebee's 2 for 20 the spinach on the choke tape.
00:35:09.000 No, but it says here you went to Popeyes and noticed that black people were there.
00:35:13.000 What do you say to that?
00:35:15.000 Hey, hey, shouldn't be surprised, didn't it?
00:35:17.000 I'll go to Popeyes.
00:35:18.000 I really expect a few black people.
00:35:20.000 I don't know why he sounds like that.
00:35:22.000 Actually, it makes his dad sound a little bit cooler that he was like, hey, we're not going to Olive Garden or we're not going to Red Lobster and Bennigan's or whatever he said it was of Applebee's.
00:35:30.000 He's like, we're going to go somewhere else, maybe like a local joint.
00:35:32.000 Yeah.
00:35:32.000 Like, I get it.
00:35:33.000 I like that guy more.
00:35:34.000 Yeah, it was Applebee's and Red Lobster.
00:35:35.000 I'm convinced that Bennigan's is a restaurant that never existed and Stephen made it up.
00:35:39.000 It did exist.
00:35:40.000 It's your favorite restaurant to mention.
00:35:41.000 And I'm like, I've never heard of his father.
00:35:44.000 I love those old places.
00:35:45.000 Back in the day, old school TGI Fridays, old school chilies, old school Bennigans, old school chi cheese.
00:35:49.000 What Bennigan's?
00:35:50.000 Bennigan's.
00:35:51.000 Well, there was a house that I almost bought.
00:35:53.000 My realtor, who's great, she's very, she's very funny.
00:35:56.000 She would actually bust my chops. 1.00
00:35:57.000 There was an old house that just needed to be gutted.
00:35:59.000 It was like the green carpet and the stained glass sort of chandeliers.
00:36:02.000 I was like, you know what?
00:36:03.000 This isn't that bad.
00:36:03.000 I said, it's kind of like Bennigan's.
00:36:06.000 And then we go in and crap.
00:36:09.000 We saw like the Griswold, like the burning mark from the cats that had died.
00:36:12.000 And she goes, no, this place, she goes, you can't just say it looks like Bennigan, Stephen.
00:36:19.000 Because she didn't think the place existed.
00:36:21.000 No, it's a real place.
00:36:23.000 Bennigan's used to be fun.
00:36:25.000 It did for about five minutes.
00:36:26.000 I'll take it to my grave.
00:36:27.000 As a kid.
00:36:28.000 All right.
00:36:28.000 You're a Friday's guy.
00:36:29.000 Next chat.
00:36:30.000 All right.
00:36:31.000 Next chat.
00:36:32.000 Let's see.
00:36:34.000 Danny J, 1987 asks: If Nick doesn't hate Jews, why do the majority of self-identifying Groypers believe that he does and openly do themselves?
00:36:43.000 Well, a lot of them definitely do, or certainly, again, I can't speak for all of them, but I've definitely seen some things that are anti-Semitic.
00:36:49.000 I think that if you deny the Holocaust, that's anti-Semitic.
00:36:53.000 I think if you visit our chat, you'll find some in there.
00:36:58.000 That's also because a lot of the Groypers, a lot of Nick's fans come in there, and that's a big thing they do.
00:37:01.000 They troll, they try, and there's that sort of thing.
00:37:04.000 And guys, I know you're here from the Nick interview.
00:37:06.000 Please don't do that.
00:37:07.000 Like, this is one thing I would say.
00:37:09.000 And if I were to ever have another interview with Nick, I would ask him to like, hey, condemn that.
00:37:14.000 You know, if your people are doing any swatting or doxing.
00:37:16.000 Now, I know if I asked him that, he would go, well, that has nothing to do with me.
00:37:19.000 And it wouldn't be fruitful.
00:37:21.000 But could you do more to maybe discourage the kind of behavior that mass bullies people on other forms and just know, hey, no one here is paid by anybody.
00:37:29.000 It's okay if we just disagree and you want to have a civil disagreement on that front.
00:37:34.000 Like I said, I think that Nick has views that other people would by and large classify as anti-Semitic.
00:37:40.000 He clarifies that he doesn't think they are and separates.
00:37:43.000 You know, he delineates between groups of Jews.
00:37:45.000 But I understand that a lot of people would even look at what he says in detail and say, okay, I think there's an undercurrent of anti-Semitism.
00:37:52.000 I don't think it's any, I don't think it's as severe as a lot of his followers saying the Holocaust didn't happen and expel all Jews.
00:38:00.000 Because the thing is, if you expel all Jews from the United States and then you also believe that Israel shouldn't exist, well, then you are advocating for effectively a genocide.
00:38:06.000 Where are you going to go?
00:38:07.000 Where are you going to go?
00:38:07.000 Canada?
00:38:09.000 Yeah.
00:38:09.000 I mean, maybe.
00:38:10.000 I think, too, and we've just like everybody.
00:38:12.000 No, no, nobody's going to go to Canada.
00:38:14.000 We've discussed this.
00:38:15.000 Like having honest conversations is fine.
00:38:17.000 I think this has veered into, well, you have a conversation about this, and so therefore you're on one of the sides.
00:38:22.000 You're either a Nazi shill or something like that, or you're a shill for Israel. 0.90
00:38:26.000 And it's like, well, hold on.
00:38:27.000 I can have a legitimate conversation about what really happened with the USS Liberty.
00:38:31.000 And you guys know probably where I stand on that.
00:38:33.000 Much more leaning towards accidental than them trying to get us into it.
00:38:37.000 But I understand where people are coming from because I've had the conversations.
00:38:40.000 Yeah.
00:38:41.000 I don't think they're anti-Semitic for asking.
00:38:43.000 Asking how many people actually died and what was the methodology to kind of figure out how many people died in the Holocaust.
00:38:47.000 That's totally fine.
00:38:48.000 Unless you're saying the Holocaust didn't exist and trying to go at it from that direction. 0.56
00:38:52.000 But having like a curiosity, well, how did they figure that out?
00:38:55.000 There have been trials about this.
00:38:56.000 There's been a ton of conversations.
00:38:57.000 That's fine too.
00:38:58.000 Let me ask you this.
00:38:59.000 All of those things are fine.
00:38:59.000 This is why sometimes people say I'm very lenient.
00:39:03.000 And here's something too: this is sort of a misconception.
00:39:08.000 Charlie Kirk was far more rude and unfriendly to students than I ever was with Change My Mind.
00:39:14.000 He would have them set up with a microphone and dunk.
00:39:16.000 And then sometimes people were surprised.
00:39:18.000 Like, well, this goes on.
00:39:19.000 It's like, sure, because I'm trying to walk them down the path.
00:39:21.000 And if you're kind of change of mind.
00:39:23.000 Yes.
00:39:24.000 That's really what it is.
00:39:25.000 And if you are proselytizing, right?
00:39:27.000 You're in a mission strip.
00:39:28.000 Do you go, if someone goes like, ah, I don't want that, I don't want any of that Christian shit. 1.00
00:39:32.000 Do you just go like, oh, they're an anti-Christian right away?
00:39:34.000 Well, they reject.
00:39:35.000 Or do you then ask a question?
00:39:36.000 Well, hey, hold on.
00:39:37.000 What do you know?
00:39:38.000 Hey, how familiar are you with it?
00:39:40.000 And do you explore every possibility until you get to the point where you go, well, this person rejects Christ.
00:39:45.000 It's the same thing right now where there's a vein of anti-Semitism.
00:39:48.000 And by the way, this, or an undercurrent with Candace Owens as an example, where I know that people who believe what she says, they're maybe anti-Semitic because they believe what she says, and it's just not true.
00:40:01.000 And so it's incumbent upon me to go, okay, but do you think that because you believe this?
00:40:06.000 What if I could disabuse you of that and walk through it?
00:40:09.000 And then if at the end of it, they go, I don't care.
00:40:10.000 I just, I still think it's the Jews. 1.00
00:40:12.000 Well, then I'll say anti-Semitic. 0.84
00:40:14.000 But I can't just write them off.
00:40:15.000 I mean, there would be no spread of Christianity if we treated it that way. 0.90
00:40:19.000 There would be no spread of anything if we just went, oh, well, because they say so.
00:40:24.000 Well, sure.
00:40:25.000 But do they understand the fundamental premise and have they been misinformed?
00:40:30.000 And I will say this, that there are definitely some people, certainly the left has always done this.
00:40:34.000 You know, for example, the left, people going, well, Donald Trump is a racist.
00:40:39.000 So you watch me, even black and white and the gray issues.
00:40:42.000 You can go back to that clip.
00:40:43.000 It's very much the same as with some of the Nick Fuente stuff, or certainly some of his fans, where I go, yeah, you said very fine people.
00:40:50.000 But what if he said I'm not saying neo-Nazis and white supremacists who should be condemned totally?
00:40:54.000 I said, well, I don't know.
00:40:55.000 Maybe that would change.
00:40:56.000 I haven't seen it.
00:40:57.000 I said, yeah, but what if I could show you that tape?
00:40:59.000 I don't know.
00:41:00.000 I said, but if I showed it to you, assume I'm not lying.
00:41:02.000 I don't have it on a projector right now, but I send it to you.
00:41:06.000 Would that change your mind?
00:41:08.000 Well, I'd have to see it.
00:41:10.000 I went through that same line of question.
00:41:11.000 Do you think he's a racist because you believe this?
00:41:14.000 But do you know this?
00:41:16.000 And if they watch it, and if I show them two or three more clips, and then show them that Arsinio Hall, the most talentless bag of nothing, won the celebrity apprentice.
00:41:26.000 And I go, maybe he's not a racist.
00:41:28.000 And I go, okay, maybe you've convinced me.
00:41:30.000 Now we can have the conversation.
00:41:32.000 But I'm going to press if I think they have been misinformed because I will tell you this.
00:41:37.000 That is, if you can do that with those on the left, and I say this doing change my minds, if you can get through the misinformation and the false premise after false premise after false premise and get someone to accept that their premise is false, that is the only way I've seen people leave the left, leave wrong ideologies.
00:41:59.000 It's the only way.
00:42:01.000 And you have to afford them that opportunity.
00:42:06.000 You have to afford them that opportunity and go, look, they may not know.
00:42:10.000 Once you've gone through it, right, to each man what is known.
00:42:14.000 Once you've gone through it, okay, you know now.
00:42:17.000 Now, if I see you on the other side of that fence, if I see you saying very fine people, I know you're repeating a lie because I know that I informed you.
00:42:26.000 I know that I showed you the clip, watched it with you, where you saw him say, I'm not saying white supremacists and neo-Nazis who should be condemned totally, whatever the exact quote is.
00:42:36.000 I watched it with you.
00:42:38.000 You said it would change the context and you're still repeating it.
00:42:42.000 All right, now it's time to, now it's time to put on the foil coach because I know where you stand.
00:42:48.000 That is what I believe.
00:42:50.000 And I can tell you this because I've been around for a long time.
00:42:52.000 I've seen so many people's minds changed.
00:42:56.000 And I've seen so many people believe that they hold views that they don't actually hold.
00:43:03.000 And I know the difference between those people and someone acting in bad faith.
00:43:09.000 And it's important.
00:43:10.000 How many times have I told you it's important to delineate between the two?
00:43:14.000 Those who are died in the woe leftists who have a vested interest in keeping the false narrative alive.
00:43:18.000 You're never going to change your mind.
00:43:19.000 You make an example of them.
00:43:20.000 Then you have people who believe it by default.
00:43:24.000 And I think that with Nick, you add to that the fact that a lot of people have falsely portrayed some of his views.
00:43:33.000 His views themselves are controversial enough to a good portion of the population, but you got to be accurate as to what they are.
00:43:39.000 And I think a lot of people don't know.
00:43:41.000 And then I think some of his premises themselves are incorrect.
00:43:46.000 But I think he makes a good case for them.
00:43:48.000 Like I know that for the Second Amendment, where he said, you know, I don't know.
00:43:50.000 He also made a really good point.
00:43:51.000 He said, I'm not saying that the Second Amendment doesn't matter.
00:43:54.000 He said, but I was debanked.
00:43:56.000 You know, I was deplatformed.
00:43:57.000 The Second Amendment isn't enough in the 21st century.
00:44:01.000 I think that's a valid argument to make.
00:44:04.000 We start with it's paramount.
00:44:05.000 You can't change that.
00:44:07.000 But we may need some more rights enshrined to protect people from a tyrannical government because there are other ways that they can conquer you outside of the end of a rifle.
00:44:18.000 If someone makes a compelling case or an argument, I want to explore it.
00:44:22.000 Final chat.
00:44:23.000 All right.
00:44:23.000 Final chat from our crime attorney.
00:44:25.000 Stephen, when you stated a couple years ago that what was happening would cause more people to become racist, do you think Nick and his followers prove you right?
00:44:34.000 No, because I don't think that they're necessarily racist.
00:44:38.000 I think some are.
00:44:39.000 I think you could say that about a lot of, I guarantee you, some Pierce Morgan followers are racist.
00:44:45.000 So I don't think that they prove me right.
00:44:48.000 I think, for example, what we're seeing as far as the reaction to ladies, and I'm not even saying she's a racist, but her yelling the N-word at Somalis, like you could never picture that a while ago.
00:45:00.000 And if you create a bubble and if you just sort of tell, you can't talk about this.
00:45:06.000 You can't talk about something that people know to be so.
00:45:08.000 This is why this is so ineffective with Pierce Morgan.
00:45:10.000 People watching this inherently know that black people in the United States, as a demographic, are much more violent. 1.00
00:45:16.000 People know that.
00:45:17.000 But if you start off with, and why should you say that?
00:45:20.000 Isn't it down to the individual?
00:45:21.000 People go, like, this is useless.
00:45:25.000 This is useless.
00:45:26.000 And then they go, you know what?
00:45:27.000 I used to say you shouldn't say the N-word, but now if that's what breaks through, fine.
00:45:31.000 Fine.
00:45:32.000 I mean, what do you think?
00:45:33.000 What I was talking about too is what do you think happens if you're a young white man and you have one white guy who gets expelled because he goes into a black only space like at Mizzou or whatever it is.
00:45:44.000 Or you get two people.
00:45:46.000 Okay, this person has now got an F because they didn't do the check your privilege test or white guilt test or whatever it was that they were issuing at that point in time.
00:45:53.000 Okay, there's one or there's two.
00:45:55.000 But then when you have hundreds of thousands or millions and people know that it's a lie and they're saying, look, look, look, I'm not saying all black people and I'm not a racist, but there is a point in time where the person goes, the person who is saying, I am not a racist, but if you keep silencing them and saying, no, no, I don't want to hear your views at all.
00:46:15.000 I don't want to hear your views at all because you won't check your white privilege. 0.61
00:46:17.000 I don't want to hear your views at all because you don't believe in reparations.
00:46:20.000 I don't want to hear your views at all because you don't believe in DEI.
00:46:22.000 I don't want to hear your views at all because you're setting crime statistics.
00:46:24.000 The person saying, I'm not racist, but will transform to, I'm a fucking racist.
00:46:31.000 How about that?
00:46:34.000 That will happen.
00:46:35.000 It is inevitable.
00:46:37.000 It is inevitable.
00:46:39.000 And so what I want is to listen to the person first saying, I'm not racist, but I went to an all-black school and I got my ass kicked. 0.98
00:46:48.000 And I had black friends, but I also saw what happened with them getting involved with crime. 0.97
00:46:53.000 I'm not racist, but we do need to talk about the problem of catch and release and this man who killed Irina Zaruska being out 14 times.
00:47:01.000 I'm not racist, but Daniel Penny on that subway who was assisted by other minorities to use the word because on that subway, they probably weren't a minority.
00:47:10.000 I'm not racist, but I think labeling that guy a racist is actually a problem because we need more good Samaritans.
00:47:16.000 I'm not racist, but I think there's an incentive for Jesse Smollett to fake a race crime because that's a currency in the entertainment industry.
00:47:26.000 I'm not racist, but I think it's disgusting that Bubba Wallace said there was a noose and people ran with it and we knew it wasn't true was likely as true as the race crime hoax of poop swastika. 0.78
00:47:37.000 By the way, Nazis don't tend to draw their symbol in poop.
00:47:40.000 I'm not racist, but we need to have an honest conversation about what makes us different, the different problems that these communities are facing, why we don't want it in ours, and see how we can fix it.
00:47:54.000 Because the only solution, I'm not racist, but the only solution if we stay on this trail is what the balkanization of the United States.
00:48:00.000 I'm not racist, but and all along when that person is saying it, by the way, most of America, certainly all of black and other minority America, they will say these things and they'll get off scot-free.
00:48:12.000 There is a point in time where I'm not racist, but will transform.
00:48:17.000 Not can it, it will transform.
00:48:20.000 Two, I'm a fucking racist.
00:48:22.000 If you refuse to listen and you silence them.
00:48:26.000 So I'm not saying I want to get to, I'm a fucking racist.
00:48:30.000 What I'm saying is I want to listen to people and not get to that face.
00:48:36.000 I'm not racist, but again, I'm using this right here to make a point.
00:48:40.000 I'm not saying that exact phrase.
00:48:42.000 I'm not racist, but this is a problem that I've noticed.
00:48:44.000 And I feel like we're not allowed to talk about it.
00:48:47.000 You know how you prevent that from becoming, I'm a fucking racist?
00:48:51.000 Is you go, you know what?
00:48:53.000 Let me hear you.
00:48:54.000 Let's talk about it.
00:48:56.000 A lot of people don't want to because they see it as platforming.
00:49:00.000 It's not what we do here.
00:49:02.000 I'll platform Jillian Michaels, angry lesbian who adopted or had a surrogate baby. 0.98
00:49:07.000 There are few things that are more of an affront to God than that.
00:49:10.000 See you tomorrow.
00:49:37.000 That's what I know.