Louder with Crowder - 🔴 The "N-Word" Fallout: Why Piers Morgan Censored My Interview - GUEST: Nancy Mace

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00:02:25.000 So, on the show today, we do have...

00:02:29.000 Nancy Mace to discuss the presentation yesterday of the nudes at the congressional hearing.

00:02:35.000 There are a lot of questions that people have.

00:02:36.000 We're going to try and be fair, but we have some questions.

00:02:41.000 Pierce Morgan.

00:02:42.000 Pierce Morgan.

00:02:43.000 I was on there yesterday, and it should be called Pierce Morgan Censored because there was a conversation surrounding the N-word, language, cancel culture.

00:02:52.000 Yes, I am still sick as a dog.

00:02:54.000 I apologize.

00:02:55.000 And then they censored the words.

00:02:57.000 Which, if you look at the reaction in context, no one is seemingly offended about it all.

00:03:04.000 So we're going to discuss that and discuss what words mean and discuss what this victim culture has created and this black fatigue and this backlash. 0.83

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00:03:21.000 And Sean Ryan and Tucker Carlson talked about Bongino, the FBI, all that and more.

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00:03:27.000 Nancy Mace is going, the real Nancy Mace on this show. 0.93

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00:05:03.000 We're in a little bit of a hustle and bustle here because Representative Nancy Mace agreed to be on the show.

00:05:09.000 Yeah.

00:05:10.000 That should be illuminating.

00:05:13.000 Good conversation.

00:05:14.000 And we're going to be talking, like we said, James Comey on Colbert Live weekdays, 11 a.m. Eastern.

00:05:20.000 Josh Feierstein is going to be at Good Nights Comedy Club, Raleigh, North Carolina, May 23rd and 24th.

00:05:26.000 Mr. Feierstein, thank you.

00:05:28.000 Yeah, this weekend.

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00:05:51.000 What was that laugh?

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00:05:55.000 We are going to have Mazie Hirono, Representative Hirono, on the show a little bit later on.

00:06:00.000 But we do have, of course, Nancy Mace in the flesh.

00:06:04.000 Right off the top here, because we're in a little bit...

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00:06:32.000 Alright.

00:06:33.000 I like the lady. 1.00

00:06:37.000 So yesterday, it aired, but I taped this two days ago.

00:06:42.000 Piers Morgan.

00:06:43.000 I was on, I believe it's Uncensored with Piers Morgan, the show.

00:06:47.000 And it should be titled Censored with Piers Morgan.

00:06:50.000 Now, I'm going to be really clear here.

00:06:51.000 I know that in many ways I shouldn't.

00:06:53.000 For whatever reason, I kind of like Piers Morgan.

00:06:56.000 He's also, you know, been a pretty gracious host.

00:06:59.000 There are some things that he does that I disagree with.

00:07:01.000 But I always answer for any of my insults or backhanded compliments.

00:07:09.000 But this was a pretty important conversation that we had.

00:07:12.000 And it was titled, I'm going to say it, N-Word Debate with Stephen Crowder and Mark Lamont Hill.

00:07:17.000 Now, here's the thing.

00:07:18.000 I did say, in context, there has been no reaction of offense from anybody.

00:07:24.000 And this is important.

00:07:25.000 There's a conversation.

00:07:26.000 We're not talking about wanting to go out and denigrate black people with the N-word.

00:07:29.000 What we are discussing right now in this country is people being silenced and terrified of losing everything, even if they say the wrong word in the right context where they are condemning prejudice.

00:07:41.000 It's a political weapon, and it's used selectively.

00:07:45.000 And I chose my words carefully.

00:07:47.000 The language was very deliberate.

00:07:49.000 And then, of course, it gets silenced.

00:07:52.000 So we'll get to that sort of fallout in a bit.

00:07:54.000 And after this, I want to ask you now, what do you think the issue is when you get that gut feeling of this victimhood culture, where someone claims they're a victim and you're going, no, hold on a second.

00:08:06.000 This doesn't seem right.

00:08:07.000 This seems like you're using it.

00:08:09.000 I am going to lay out exactly why you feel that way, give you a litmus test.

00:08:13.000 And the reason for it.

00:08:15.000 And the point.

00:08:16.000 And that's what I am rallying against.

00:08:19.000 So, on to Censored with Pierce Morgan.

00:08:22.000 By the way, Mr. Morgan, you are welcome to come on this show.

00:08:24.000 I would very much welcome it and will host you graciously.

00:08:28.000 This is the version they ran, they pre-tape, titled, I'm going to say it, N-word debate, I believe with Mark Lamont Hill, and censored it out.

00:08:38.000 When we're talking about this new song...

00:08:40.000 And as a comedian and as a linguist, I'm going to say the word here so that everybody knows, and that's what you're going to clip.

00:08:45.000 We're looking at words that are offensive, a song that is offensive, but one is a boogeyman word.

00:08:49.000 We have one noun, a verb, and a noun.

00:08:52.000 Okay, we have a noun by itself, contextually.

00:08:54.000 That's bad.

00:08:55.000 Shouldn't say it, but it's not imbued with any power outside of historical context.

00:08:58.000 The last noun, Hitler, is imbued with the power of the verb that precedes it.

00:09:03.000 Hail, to praise, to venerate.

00:09:05.000 That'll get clipped, even though I'm condemning the song as anti-Semitic and not one person here who would be the victim of a more severe call to action.

00:09:14.000 Is going to say it's anti-Semitic.

00:09:16.000 I think we're in a silly point in this country when we're pulling this clip to condemn the anti-Semitism here at the studio and people going, hey, can I get a second cut of that N-word?

00:09:27.000 Hail Hitler!

00:09:29.000 That's the point.

00:09:31.000 I know many of you think, oh, thank goodness, you know, he didn't bleep it out, but he silenced it out.

00:09:36.000 You know, I dodged a bullet.

00:09:38.000 So here's the actual clip and what I actually said.

00:09:41.000 We're looking at words that are offensive, a song that is offensive, but one is a boogeyman word.

00:09:45.000 We have one noun, a verb, and a noun.

00:09:48.000 Okay, we have a noun by itself, contextually.

00:09:50.000 Nigga, that's bad, shouldn't say it, but it's not imbued with any power outside of historical context.

00:09:55.000 The last noun, Hitler, is imbued with the power of the verb that precedes it.

00:10:00.000 Hail, to praise, to venerate.

00:10:03.000 Actually, after the show, naturally, Pierce changed the name of his show to N-Censored.

00:10:08.000 Yeah, look, it doesn't necessarily have the same...

00:10:11.000 It was really close.

00:10:12.000 Maybe that was our fault?

00:10:13.000 I don't know.

00:10:14.000 Sorry, right graphic.

00:10:15.000 And here's the fallout in this.

00:10:16.000 This isn't about drama.

00:10:17.000 This is about something that affects all of our lives.

00:10:19.000 And you're seeing polling changes.

00:10:21.000 I talked about Gen Z voting patterns.

00:10:24.000 And I talked about this fatigue that people have.

00:10:26.000 It's not people just bitching about political correctness or cancel culture.

00:10:29.000 It's people now frustrated that they can't have an honest dialogue.

00:10:33.000 And particularly white men being painted in.

00:10:35.000 If you move in, it's gentrification.

00:10:37.000 If you leave, it's white flight. 0.99

00:10:38.000 Sit down and shut up, but silence is violence. 0.99

00:10:41.000 You can't go to empirical data like crime, neighborhoods, urban environments, Democrat mayors, but you also can't go back to the anecdotal, hey, I'm in an interracial relationship where I have black friends. 0.98

00:10:51.000 There's no winning, and so the only way is to not play, and now we're not having these conversations.

00:10:54.000 So after this, we reached out here on My Ex and said, hey, Pierce Morgan, I thought your show was called Uncensored.

00:11:01.000 Can you explain why you felt the need to literally censor my words?

00:11:04.000 And he responded, you said the N-word, and we don't allow that on our show.

00:11:08.000 It's not about censorship, but about respect for black people.

00:11:12.000 Okay?

00:11:13.000 Here's my problem, Pierce.

00:11:15.000 And this is my problem where I said, this is disingenuous.

00:11:17.000 Allow me to make my case.

00:11:19.000 Pierce Morgan brought on what he said was a self-avowed racist.

00:11:24.000 Challenged her to say the N-word repeatedly in front of a black man.

00:11:29.000 She didn't. 0.75

00:11:30.000 Two black men.

00:11:31.000 Two black men, I believe, or at least one and a half.

00:11:33.000 She didn't. 0.99

00:11:34.000 And then said, see, that's the thing, it's cowardly.

00:11:37.000 I went on and used it in context of my own volition, rightfully so, and I stand by it, the point that I was making.

00:11:43.000 He challenged me again, asking if I would say it, if Dr. Mark Lamont Hill was on, I said yes, and then it's censored out.

00:11:51.000 That, to me, is disingenuous.

00:11:53.000 It's a challenge for clicks.

00:11:54.000 You're not actually trying to have a conversation.

00:11:57.000 Challenge accepted.

00:11:58.000 You issued it.

00:12:01.000 And the point was, we're not just talking about here, to be clear.

00:12:05.000 We're not just talking about words and going, I want to say the N-word, I want to say a joke. 0.98

00:12:10.000 No.

00:12:10.000 What we are talking about, and this is the thing, the conversation has been, I want to be able to say the N-word just because I want to use it in a racist context.

00:12:17.000 No, no.

00:12:18.000 We actually have lost the ability to have discussions about words, their meaning, in context as adults.

00:12:25.000 We have lost that as a society, and that is not a good place to find ourselves.

00:12:30.000 There are not throngs of people in this country going, I can't believe that I can't yell the N-word at a black person, but there are a lot of people going, hey, wait a second. 0.91

00:12:39.000 If I'm addressing something very specific in a quote, I want to make sure, I just don't want to lose my livelihood.

00:12:46.000 And so people check out, and you're not having a conversation anymore.

00:12:50.000 There are real consequences to this, and that's what we are discussing, and you are going to see a backlash.

00:12:55.000 The pendulum swing back the other way, where people just say, you've called me a racist so long, you know what?

00:13:00.000 I guess I am.

00:13:02.000 There are quantifiable results, consequences, of this language policing, and you can see it in the laws.

00:13:10.000 In places like the UK and in Canada.

00:13:12.000 But you can see it culturally here.

00:13:13.000 People are afraid of losing everything for saying the wrong word, even if in context they are condemning prejudice.

00:13:20.000 And Pierce, by the way, his censorship didn't just stop at words.

00:13:24.000 And I get it.

00:13:25.000 He'll say, hey, you bleep things out in sketches because we edit for the bleep.

00:13:29.000 It's funny.

00:13:29.000 And if you're watching a clip...

00:13:31.000 Maybe on YouTube.

00:13:32.000 But live, we have the YouTube dump button.

00:13:33.000 So, also, we're allowed for comedy.

00:13:35.000 It's not the same thing as a word that we deem offensive after challenging someone to say it.

00:13:39.000 He's also gone as far as to cut out some inconvenient sounds, because I know that interruptions take place a lot there, and that's not really the game that I want to play.

00:13:48.000 And here's what you saw, and you wouldn't know this unless I told you.

00:13:52.000 Hold on a second.

00:13:53.000 You say that every single person who is giving to that is the equivalent of the person yelling the N-word at a five-year-old.

00:13:58.000 No, I didn't say that.

00:13:59.000 No, no, no.

00:14:00.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:14:01.000 No, I didn't say that.

00:14:01.000 That's the interruption.

00:14:02.000 I said they're wrong to do it.

00:14:03.000 I'll be done in 20 seconds.

00:14:05.000 20 seconds.

00:14:06.000 Would we also say, then, that the people giving to Anthony, Carmelo Anthony, support the wanton stabbing of white kids who die in their twin brother's arms?

00:14:13.000 Now, that would seem silly to go, hey, what's happening there?

00:14:16.000 Here's the actual clip, and this isn't the first time that this has happened on Piers Morgan.

00:14:21.000 Hold on a second.

00:14:22.000 You say that every single person who is giving to that is the equivalent of the person yelling the N-word at a five-year-old.

00:14:27.000 Would we say the same thing?

00:14:29.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:14:30.000 That's the interruption buzzer.

00:14:31.000 Hold on, let me finish my point.

00:14:32.000 I'll be done in 20 seconds.

00:14:33.000 20 seconds.

00:14:36.000 That last little one. 1.00

00:14:37.000 It's a little childish and stupid. 1.00

00:14:38.000 Then again, so is editing out a boogeyman word when used in context. 1.00

00:14:44.000 Especially because it's not a buzzer.

00:14:45.000 It's one of those smokers.

00:14:46.000 Yeah, it was our Val Kilmer thing.

00:14:49.000 And here's the thing.

00:14:50.000 This has happened in the past.

00:14:51.000 And this is why I don't like going on a lot of programs.

00:14:54.000 Not because I'm not willing to.

00:14:56.000 I do change my minds and talking with people in the street, black and white and the gray issues.

00:14:59.000 It's that a lot of people are scoring points and it's disingenuous.

00:15:02.000 Things get doctored a little bit.

00:15:03.000 We believed that this has happened in the past.

00:15:05.000 The last time I was on Pierce Morgan, I had a bell.

00:15:07.000 Where I did not interrupt once.

00:15:09.000 And I said, I will yield the floor.

00:15:10.000 And this was a mechanism to point out whether someone is arguing in good faith.

00:15:15.000 It didn't make air.

00:15:17.000 You couldn't hear it.

00:15:17.000 And he told us that actually it was something to do with the microphone and the gate, which would not apply there.

00:15:22.000 It couldn't possibly apply to that buzzer.

00:15:24.000 And so I apologized right here on the show.

00:15:26.000 I said, okay, my bad.

00:15:27.000 Should have given you the benefit of the doubt.

00:15:28.000 It's petty.

00:15:29.000 I rescind my apology because I now think that there is foul play.

00:15:32.000 Here is the bell in question from that last appearance.

00:15:34.000 Was that deliberate?

00:15:36.000 Is he trying to sabotage it?

00:15:39.000 Thank you.

00:15:41.000 Again, I'm really going to avoid ad hominem, which is really tough because it seems to be coming from the other side of this panel here.

00:15:46.000 Well, I will note for the record that you have not gone ad hominem.

00:15:52.000 And Tim, to be fair, all you've done is abuse Stephen on a personal level.

00:16:00.000 I actually would like to rise above that. 0.99

00:16:02.000 His whole career is all he's done is attack gay and trans people. 0.94

00:16:05.000 Now he's getting offended. 0.75

00:16:07.000 And no ad hominem from me like he did the walk of shame after a night with Brian Bointano and stole his puka shell necklace.

00:16:15.000 And the reason the bell was important.

00:16:17.000 It was a gift.

00:16:18.000 Yes.

00:16:18.000 It was to point out, look, hey, I'm not going to do that, but these are the kinds of people who are often being hosted.

00:16:26.000 They're not arguing in good faith.

00:16:27.000 It's all ad hominem.

00:16:28.000 That thing is a little bit of conditioning.

00:16:31.000 For you to go, oh, I see what the left is doing.

00:16:34.000 You may not agree with it, but it's important.

00:16:36.000 Here's the actual clip that didn't make air.

00:16:39.000 Is he trying to sabotage it?

00:16:41.000 Thank you.

00:16:42.000 Again, I'm really going to avoid Ed Hamer, which is really tough because it seems to be coming from the other side of this panel here.

00:16:48.000 Maybe.

00:16:49.000 It was certainly...

00:16:51.000 I will note for the record that you have not gone ad hominem.

00:16:55.000 And Tim, to be fair, all you've done is abuse Stephen on a personal level.

00:17:02.000 I actually would like to rise above that. 0.99

00:17:05.000 His whole career is all he's done is attack gay and trans people. 0.94

00:17:08.000 Now he's getting offended. 0.93

00:17:11.000 They said it was a technical issue.

00:17:13.000 I don't buy it.

00:17:15.000 Here's the thing, and I'll get to why this affects everybody, and there's something that you're feeling in your gut that you may not necessarily know how to articulate.

00:17:21.000 A lot of Americans feel this way, including, by the way, black Americans and certainly Hispanic Americans.

00:17:25.000 But back to Pierce.

00:17:26.000 This is actually someone who censors himself all the time or does post-filming edits to make himself look better.

00:17:34.000 All right, Stephen Crowder.

00:17:35.000 You're giving it to me.

00:17:37.000 I think I'm the...

00:17:39.000 The whole saga here.

00:17:40.000 I'm just the one sitting here listening to a very, very unpleasant young being deliberately unashamedly wants us to think she's admits to being and when you talk about context of using the N-word, she is using it in Wow. 0.79

00:18:05.000 Yeah.

00:18:05.000 By the way, he doesn't just stop at censoring guests.

00:18:09.000 And I know people say it's not censoring because it's not government. 0.99

00:18:11.000 Shut up. 0.96

00:18:12.000 He's not just censoring guests. 0.99

00:18:13.000 He even has gone so far as to rotoscope physical things out of the filming process to save himself embarrassment.

00:18:21.000 Well, Andrew Wilson's apparently ecstatic wife, Rachel, got in touch on X and told me she'd like to participate in our next debate.

00:18:29.000 And so she will.

00:18:30.000 She'll be joining us alongside an all-new panel of... 0.69

00:18:33.000 You don't need to.

00:18:38.000 You don't need to.

00:18:39.000 Edit it out.

00:18:40.000 It's preference.

00:18:40.000 It's okay.

00:18:41.000 Just be proud, bro.

00:18:42.000 Come on, man.

00:18:42.000 It's not your fault.

00:18:45.000 Fire with that camera guy.

00:18:47.000 He should have had a panoramic lens.

00:18:49.000 That was a big boom mic.

00:18:54.000 And then Nancy Mesa's going to be on the show. 1.00

00:18:55.000 Sorry.

00:18:57.000 It's a comedy show.

00:18:58.000 You are invited on the show, Pierce, and of course we will be very respectful in hosting you and give you the floor.

00:19:01.000 And I believe Dr. Mark Lamont Hill will be on the show.

00:19:03.000 He was actually a gentleman.

00:19:04.000 I haven't heard him accuse me of racism.

00:19:07.000 And certainly not.

00:19:07.000 If you look at the comments section, you can go and watch their version on Pierce Morgan's channel.

00:19:11.000 Here's what I want to point out.

00:19:16.000 You've heard me talk about how fake victimhood creates real victims.

00:19:21.000 If you find yourself, and comment below if you've felt this, and I'm going to explain why I believe you have this guttural reaction.

00:19:28.000 When you hear someone say, no, no, hold on a second, I'm being victimized.

00:19:32.000 I can't believe this will irreparably damage me.

00:19:35.000 And you're going, ah, that doesn't pass.

00:19:38.000 Something seems off here.

00:19:39.000 I think you're using this as a cudgel.

00:19:40.000 Here's why.

00:19:41.000 When people do that, they're invariably victimizing.

00:19:46.000 Someone for real.

00:19:47.000 Let me give you an example, a few examples here.

00:19:49.000 And then, I would like for you to comment if you can name one exception.

00:19:53.000 Someone saying, using the N-word, even in the context of condemning racism, but discussing language as an adult, irreparably harms my soul because of that word.

00:20:05.000 What's actually happening is people are being victimized by losing their livelihoods, by losing their jobs.

00:20:13.000 By being ostracized from society.

00:20:15.000 And all of society losing their right to freedom of speech.

00:20:19.000 And again, I mean freedom of speech as adults.

00:20:22.000 No one here is having a debate that you should go out and insult someone using a racial epithet.

00:20:27.000 But there has been a conversation going on for a long time in this country.

00:20:30.000 Yeah, but I shouldn't lose everything.

00:20:32.000 And I shouldn't be accused of racism if I use a word that you don't like in context to make a point.

00:20:39.000 And while we're talking about that...

00:20:41.000 The argument falls apart when they say, well, the N-word is the one word with historical context that has been imbued with power because they were oppressing slaves.

00:20:47.000 Great.

00:20:48.000 Okay.

00:20:48.000 Now do Hail Hitler.

00:20:50.000 I get that you will say Hail Hitler is not the same as a racial epithet.

00:20:54.000 For example, if at any point I condemned the use of the word kike or Shylock.

00:20:59.000 Again, I wouldn't be accused of being anti-Semitic because people are adults and can have that conversation.

00:21:03.000 But if the N-word is so impermissible because of the power historically, give me one historical context where Hail Hitler is anything other than worse. 0.81

00:21:12.000 I made the point.

00:21:14.000 I called that they would include the Hail Hitler, which I said not one, but like 19 times. 0.86

00:21:19.000 They had no problem with it.

00:21:21.000 Here's another example.

00:21:22.000 Not allowing me to compete!

00:21:25.000 Victimizes me.

00:21:26.000 You're taking away my rights.

00:21:28.000 The reason you're going, that doesn't seem quite kosher is because women are actually being victimized in having to compete against men. 1.00

00:21:36.000 It's COVID.

00:21:36.000 Hey, hold on.

00:21:37.000 It's COVID.

00:21:38.000 If you're putting me at risk, I'm immune compromised.

00:21:40.000 You don't care.

00:21:41.000 You are victimizing all of us.

00:21:43.000 Why won't you put on a mask?

00:21:44.000 Why won't you socially distance?

00:21:46.000 Well, the people being victimized are the businesses that are shuttered.

00:21:49.000 They'll never, ever, ever open back up.

00:21:53.000 Children.

00:21:54.000 Whose educational process, experience, their childhood itself, they will never get back.

00:22:03.000 Hey, you can't say that.

00:22:05.000 That's actually sexism. 1.00

00:22:06.000 That's misogyny if you say that men and women are biologically different.

00:22:10.000 Take any buzzwords here.

00:22:12.000 Hold on a second.

00:22:12.000 No, you're actually victimizing women who agree with that, women who understand it, and the nuclear family, which is by design.

00:22:20.000 The destruction of it.

00:22:22.000 Patriarchy. 0.93

00:22:22.000 You heard it from Hillary Clinton? 0.93

00:22:23.000 Black Lives Matter?

00:22:24.000 And every single Marxist professor out there in the country.

00:22:30.000 Give me one exception.

00:22:32.000 Give me one exception today where when people are claiming victim status in trying to eliminate or silence your opinion, they are not actually acting as a predator, victimizing someone in real life.

00:22:47.000 I want you to use that litmus test going, whether it's trans, Whether it's misogyny, sexism, whether it's racism, whether it's homophobia, any of it.

00:22:56.000 Use that test and tell me I'm wrong on a single example.

00:22:59.000 If there is a fake victim, there is a real victim, and in every scenario, the fake victim knows it.

00:23:06.000 What do we call that?

00:23:07.000 We call that manipulation.

00:23:12.000 Mr. Morgan, you're welcome on the show, and as well as a...

00:23:15.000 Dr. Mark Lamont Hill.

00:23:16.000 For people who want to see conversations like these and more that are actually, I don't want to say uncensored, but unfiltered, right?

00:23:22.000 We're not on YouTube, so we actually can have these conversations.

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00:23:38.000 I believe that we do have her on.

00:23:40.000 Let me just set some context here.

00:23:42.000 I want to run the clip and then we will have Representative Nancy Mace. 1.00

00:23:45.000 Yesterday, Representative Nancy Mace dropped some private footage as part of, I believe it was, it was congressional testimony to push for passing some anti-voyeurism legislation.

00:23:58.000 Exhibit one.

00:24:00.000 Behind me is a screenshot from one of the videos I found of myself.

00:24:05.000 The yellow circle.

00:24:07.000 This.

00:24:08.000 Naked silhouette is my naked body.

00:24:12.000 I didn't know that I had been filmed.

00:24:15.000 I didn't give my consent.

00:24:18.000 I didn't give my permission.

00:24:19.000 And this particular video that Patrick Bryant recorded of me on his secret camera, he saved for over three years without my knowledge.

00:24:29.000 I didn't pick this fight.

00:24:31.000 I don't even want to be here today and discuss this.

00:24:35.000 Please welcome to the program, Representative from South Carolina, Nancy Mace.

00:24:43.000 And you can follow her on X, and I say her in the biological sense, Rep.

00:24:48.000 Nancy Mace.

00:24:50.000 Representative Mace, thank you for being here.

00:24:52.000 And thank you for having me and bringing attention to this very important issue for women and girls all across the country.

00:24:58.000 Okay, I have some follow-up questions.

00:25:00.000 Could you, the floor is yours, explain to people who may not be familiar with this, what is this important issue and what are you looking to achieve?

00:25:07.000 We're talking about peeping Toms and voyeurism, voyeurism being those individuals who film other people in compromising positions, intimate, nude, that sort of thing.

00:25:17.000 And I shared some examples of upskirt shots, nude imagery and videos yesterday in my hearing because I myself have...

00:25:27.000 Just recently been through this over the last year and a half and uncovering all these videos I found, I identified some other potential victims, other potential women, and it's had devastating consequences for them.

00:25:38.000 And I've learned so much about federal law and also state law.

00:25:41.000 You know, Democrats tout the Violence Against Women Act as being this holy grail for victims like women of this kind of situation.

00:25:48.000 It actually does nothing for them.

00:25:50.000 And so I've drafted a couple pieces of legislation like the Sioux Warriors Act that...

00:25:55.000 It creates a civil right of action or a civil tort for those who've been victims of voyeurism or peeping toms because there is no civil right of action at the federal level.

00:26:03.000 And then also, it's not criminal to do this at the federal level under Title 18. It's only criminal in certain maritime jurisdictions, think cruises.

00:26:12.000 Or tribal lands.

00:26:14.000 And under state law, state law in South Carolina is much weaker.

00:26:17.000 Like the screenshot you just showed of that clip of my naked silhouette on the screen there, first offense is a misdemeanor and a $500 fine in South Carolina, which is appalling that it's that little.

00:26:33.000 It's disgusting.

00:26:34.000 It should be far worse.

00:26:35.000 The penalty should be far higher than that.

00:26:37.000 Can I ask you, has anyone been charged with misdemeanors or fines in South Carolina where this took place?

00:26:44.000 Not in this particular case yet because there's still an ongoing investigation.

00:26:47.000 And that's part of some of the victims' frustration is that this thing has gone on for more than a year and a half.

00:26:52.000 These people are walking free.

00:26:54.000 But also in the last couple of months, you know, in working with these victims, I'm uncovering all kinds of cases that are not getting the justice they deserve in the county where this crime, these potential wrong, this potential crime crimes to place.

00:27:07.000 We have pedophiles that are walking free.

00:27:18.000 I've shown some cases of those. 0.87

00:27:20.000 We've got a guy in this same county who had 1,900 images of kids as young as three being raped by animals and adults.

00:27:28.000 And the guy got one day served in jail.

00:27:31.000 It was time served.

00:27:31.000 He's on the streets of South Carolina walking free.

00:27:33.000 We have, there's a murder case up the road where a guy was chasing some other man nine miles down the road and shot him 15 times in the back and hasn't been, no trial.

00:27:43.000 So what I've learned from this experience We have a really broken criminal and justice system in this country.

00:27:55.000 Well, okay, so I want to get to, and of course I know that you've faced some criticism for this, and I want to give you a chance to respond to those.

00:28:01.000 Obviously, in this case, I would imagine, since you presented that video, you have this video and you've turned it over, that would be significant evidence, and it would be kind of surprising if nothing is being done about that, because that in tandem with some of the, well, I guess I have to say claims, or the statements that you made yesterday, Are really serious, and I want people to see those so that they know what it is that was stated.

00:28:26.000 Starting on November 5th, 2023, I discovered my former fiancé, Patrick Bryant, had filmed women without their knowledge, without their permission, and without their consent.

00:28:37.000 He's able to rape other women, film them.

00:28:40.000 This is one of the rape victims that I discussed in my February 10th floor speech. 1.00

00:28:48.000 As you can tell, She's on the couch, and she's unconscious.

00:28:53.000 Passed out, blacked out.

00:28:55.000 I think she was roofied. 0.96

00:28:57.000 We don't know.

00:28:58.000 We never will know.

00:28:59.000 And the tape of her being assaulted by the business partner of Patrick Bryant, John Osborne, this rape tape was saved for years. 0.64

00:29:10.000 Patrick Bryant allegedly raped at least three women.

00:29:13.000 And obviously it's a very specific name and very specific crimes.

00:29:18.000 Claims, right?

00:29:19.000 Raping at least, you know, three women, drugging, roofing. 0.89

00:29:22.000 I also heard the word underage there.

00:29:24.000 One of the criticisms is that you are relying on congressional immunity where you make these accusations, right, as opposed to in a court of law or especially in the post-Me Too era.

00:29:34.000 What do you say to those people that that's the only place you've made these claims definitively?

00:29:40.000 Well, it will not be the only place I make these claims.

00:29:42.000 I don't even consider these allegations.

00:29:45.000 I mean, to me, this is a fact.

00:29:46.000 This is what I witnessed, what I saw, what I stand by, and I stand by every word, both of my February 10th floor speech and what I stated yesterday in my hearing.

00:29:53.000 I will have a chance and an opportunity to say this under oath in a court of law, hopefully sooner than later, and I won't get into too many details, but that's already in motion.

00:30:02.000 And, you know, I dare these folks, these predators, to sue me.

00:30:06.000 Because I very much look forward to discovery and the depositions that will come along with it.

00:30:13.000 Well, one of them is, though, right?

00:30:15.000 What's that?

00:30:16.000 One of the men in question is suing you.

00:30:20.000 Yes.

00:30:21.000 There is already one case, and that falls under the Speech and Debate Clause, or the Westfall Act is the way that I interpret the Constitution.

00:30:27.000 But I will absolutely have an opportunity.

00:30:30.000 And everything I've stated publicly, I have also stated to investigators.

00:30:34.000 Privately.

00:30:34.000 And so I've sat down with investigators, I believe, three times in the last year and a half.

00:30:40.000 And then, of course, in my speaking with other potential victims, I've uncovered more potential wrongdoing, more potential victims, more potential information that validates my experience and the experiences of other women.

00:30:53.000 And so it's also, for me, the reason I did the floor speech and the reason I did this hearing is because I've learned how much failure there is in the system at the federal level.

00:31:03.000 Which is where I, as a member of Congress, have a say.

00:31:05.000 Whether it's the Violence Against Women Act, whether it's men in women's spaces, I am vehemently opposed to men being in women's bathrooms, showers, locker rooms. 0.93

00:31:14.000 And part of that vehement anger that I have about men being in private spaces is because of the experience that I just went through, this trauma a year and a half ago when I uncovered all these things. 0.92

00:31:27.000 You can imagine my shock and awe to discover, holy shit, this guy, this monster, I had videos of me undressed, and he saved them for over three years. 0.90

00:31:37.000 I had no idea. 0.98

00:31:38.000 I didn't have any knowledge of it.

00:31:40.000 I didn't give my permission.

00:31:42.000 There was no consent.

00:31:43.000 And then the fact that he saved these videos of me for over three years was really terrifying.

00:31:48.000 And sometimes I feel hopeless.

00:31:50.000 And then I meet and talk to all these other potential victims.

00:31:53.000 I do have two questions.

00:31:54.000 Sorry, I just want to...

00:31:55.000 Are any of those other victims...

00:31:57.000 Pressing charges.

00:31:58.000 Are they going through the court process?

00:32:00.000 And to be clear, you are standing by the claim that Patrick Bryant raped three women and some were roofied and underage.

00:32:07.000 Well, that's the assumption in some of the cases.

00:32:09.000 So with some of the women, it seems a lot like roofing. 1.00

00:32:14.000 And I said yesterday, I believed one of them and actually probably more based on women that I've spoken to now.

00:32:20.000 Some of the women who are victims are too afraid to come forward.

00:32:23.000 And I'm going to be their voice.

00:32:25.000 Others have come forward.

00:32:27.000 And I encouraged women yesterday who think or believe they may be a victim within this group of individuals to call the state law enforcement division.

00:32:35.000 And then or we have a tip line with our office that we will provide their information confidentially to the appropriate law enforcement.

00:32:44.000 Officials.

00:32:45.000 But, like, if I went to law enforcement and falsely reported a crime, that is a crime.

00:32:50.000 And, you know, it's something I have never done and would never do.

00:32:53.000 But I've sat down with them three times.

00:32:54.000 I'll sit down with them again if I have to.

00:32:57.000 And then I will testify under oath to the same exact statements I made, both in the hearing and in the floor speech.

00:33:03.000 And I expect to be able to do that.

00:33:05.000 I expect I will have an opportunity to do that.

00:33:08.000 Right.

00:33:09.000 Is it sometimes a complication?

00:33:10.000 Because I know this being on air all the time, where if you are planning on pressing charges and going through that process, speaking publicly in a separate form can be a problem.

00:33:20.000 Since this investigation has been going on since 2023.

00:33:22.000 And I wanted to ask, so you're saying women have come forward against these specific men?

00:33:27.000 So there are other women who are claiming to be victims and pressing charges? 1.00

00:33:30.000 Correct.

00:33:31.000 Yes.

00:33:32.000 Multiple women. 1.00

00:33:33.000 Okay.

00:33:33.000 And there's our...

00:33:34.000 Roofied? 0.89

00:33:35.000 Raped? 0.97

00:33:36.000 Are any underage? 0.81

00:33:37.000 Or is it voyeurism?

00:33:39.000 I would say the allegations are all of the above.

00:33:43.000 Including, you know, potential CSAM or child sexual abuse material, that allegation.

00:33:47.000 I've not been able to verify that, but that is an allegation that a few folks have come forward with.

00:33:53.000 And, you know, time will tell.

00:33:55.000 I think one of our frustration, my frustration...

00:33:57.000 But was it on the tape?

00:33:58.000 Because you implied that there was underage sexual abuse in the tapes.

00:34:02.000 Not yesterday, I didn't.

00:34:03.000 I didn't say anything about CSAM yesterday.

00:34:05.000 Okay, but in your speech, there are some people who have come forward about potential CSAM with one of the individuals mentioned in that speech.

00:34:13.000 Let me ask you, I want to ask this, did this man or these men, I think there's four or five, right, who are included in, I don't know, is it four or five?

00:34:21.000 It's four, but it's various locations, at different locations, different, it's complex because they're different people, different.

00:34:28.000 Locations, different victims, different potential wrongdoing and crimes.

00:34:32.000 It's a complicated case.

00:34:35.000 But there are no charges or convictions yet?

00:34:38.000 None yet.

00:34:39.000 And that's part of the frustration.

00:34:40.000 Like, I went to authorities in December of 2023.

00:34:42.000 And if you saw the whole hearing and saw my introduction, to me, it's very cut and dry.

00:34:48.000 It's black and white.

00:34:49.000 Like, the threshold for probable cause is so very low.

00:34:56.000 And if you add on top of it, I brought a witness forward, witnesses.

00:35:00.000 I brought victims forward.

00:35:02.000 I brought footage forward with metadata, date and time stamps, file names, folders of where these things were saved, the devices where they were saved.

00:35:11.000 You know, most investigations, when you have someone come forward, you just have some hearsay.

00:35:14.000 You just have, hey, I saw this.

00:35:16.000 I did a lot more than that.

00:35:17.000 I literally delivered on a silver platter.

00:35:19.000 Here is evidence that...

00:35:23.000 You can use right now to go make the arrest and they haven't done it yet.

00:35:26.000 And, you know, that's why, you know, I'm so passionate about this.

00:35:30.000 Why do you think they haven't, though?

00:35:32.000 Because that is not normal in these cases.

00:35:34.000 I mean, especially after Me Too, where we have men who were accused and, you know, you have to balance.

00:35:38.000 I have a son and I have a daughter and I'm very worried about her with predators, but I'm equally worried about him being falsely accused.

00:35:44.000 We've seen men be railroaded and it turns out they didn't do anything.

00:35:47.000 So if there's all of this evidence, why do you think there have been?

00:35:51.000 No charges, no convictions, and it doesn't seem like there's going to be anytime soon.

00:35:56.000 Well, I think that SLED confirmed this week that they were going to provide whatever their investigative file is over to the solicitor at some point.

00:36:03.000 But this is the problem with South Carolina.

00:36:04.000 It is a completely corrupt system.

00:36:07.000 So one of the attorneys, for example, one of the predators in this case, headlined a fundraiser for the solicitor who's taken this case by hand, handling it herself.

00:36:18.000 So her last fundraiser before her re-election last year was headlined by one of the attorneys for one or more of these men.

00:36:25.000 It says the conflict of interest is massive.

00:36:29.000 The attorney general who should be championing this case is going to run for governor.

00:36:34.000 I might run for governor.

00:36:36.000 You know, when you have these conflicts of interest, there's a political bias, I believe, underneath.

00:36:42.000 And then when you look at all the cases of rape or assault of women, domestic violence in South Carolina, I've talked to so many women who've gone to law enforcement or gone to the authorities for these kinds of cases, and then they just tell you, well, there's nothing we can do for you.

00:36:54.000 And I hear that over and over and over again.

00:36:56.000 I know you mentioned the AG, and that was a thing, right?

00:36:58.000 That was a little bit of a controversy because you said that he was dragging his feet.

00:37:01.000 And I do know that he said, hey, I hadn't heard anything about this until the public statements.

00:37:05.000 And you have his cell phone number.

00:37:06.000 You've gone to a lot of events.

00:37:08.000 Since you have access to him personally, did you bring this up to him personally before the public testimony?

00:37:12.000 My attorney did.

00:37:13.000 One of my attorneys brought it up to him at an event.

00:37:16.000 But here's the thing.

00:37:17.000 My speech was in February.

00:37:19.000 It's now almost June.

00:37:21.000 And instead of saying, hey, you're right, this is such an egregious case, instead of saying, you know, let's let's get justice for these victims.

00:37:28.000 Let's change our state laws in South Carolina because they're so weak for women. 1.00

00:37:32.000 Instead, he's attacked me as a as a victim.

00:37:34.000 He's attacked me for coming forward.

00:37:36.000 Well, you kind of attacked him first.

00:37:37.000 I mean, I just want to say I want to be because this is a very complicated issue.

00:37:40.000 You did say he was dragging his feet and that almost makes him seem like he's aiding and abetting rape systemically.

00:37:46.000 If I was, I probably wouldn't be thrilled about that either.

00:37:48.000 I go, well, that's not true.

00:37:49.000 I only saw it when.

00:37:50.000 You're out there publicly on C-SPAN.

00:37:51.000 Well, he is letting pedophiles walk free, and that's a fact, and I've been putting that information out there as well.

00:37:57.000 That's fine, but then he's not attacking you, right?

00:37:58.000 You're both attacking each other.

00:38:00.000 I think that's important, because we need to be better on the right than doing the victim thing, either him or you.

00:38:04.000 Yeah, no, I hear you, and I hear that loud and clear from folks, but here's the thing.

00:38:08.000 I waited 11 months to get a victim's rights advocate in my case.

00:38:12.000 11 months.

00:38:13.000 And do you know how I got the victim's rights advocate?

00:38:15.000 I got it through his office.

00:38:17.000 So I knew he was well aware.

00:38:19.000 There's no way, with as high profile as an individual as I am and as an elected official, there's no way in October of last year, when I got my victim's rights advocate through his office, that he had no idea. 0.99

00:38:32.000 I mean, either you're incompetent or you're ignorant. 0.99

00:38:36.000 And that's the only answer there. 0.98

00:38:39.000 Yeah, well, I mean, it could also be, you know, this is not really their job, obviously, to go forward, like, from the base level.

00:38:45.000 It would need to come from the police department first.

00:38:47.000 So I think maybe there's a miscommunication there where maybe he didn't know, and then maybe he felt attacked, and then he kind of came back at you.

00:38:54.000 So, you know, I hate to see that kind of infighting, especially over something as serious as, you know, underage rape accusations.

00:39:00.000 And I really don't want this to get muddied when truth is paramount in all of this.

00:39:05.000 And I know that you are running against him.

00:39:06.000 Potentially people talk about this as governor.

00:39:09.000 Let me ask you this when you get because I wouldn't know about this unless you came forward.

00:39:12.000 Sounds to me like you're saying this is to raise awareness because the justice system has not been very just.

00:39:19.000 Did Mr. Bryant at any point threaten to use this, disseminate this material?

00:39:23.000 Did he give it out to anyone else?

00:39:26.000 I have no idea.

00:39:27.000 And I hope that the investigation will shed light on that because I have no idea where this material went.

00:39:33.000 So I just don't have those answers.

00:39:35.000 And that's, again, another frustration I have of knowing this person carried this around for years.

00:39:41.000 What did he do with it?

00:39:42.000 Why did he have it?

00:39:43.000 Why did he save it?

00:39:44.000 Why did he catalog it?

00:39:45.000 Why did he store it?

00:39:46.000 And what was he going to use it for?

00:39:48.000 Or what had he used it for?

00:39:49.000 But also the experience has informed me legislatively.

00:39:53.000 On all these bills, whether it's about rape kits.

00:39:56.000 I'm filing a bill this week that would prohibit rapists from suing their rape victims.

00:40:03.000 Can they sue if it's a false allegation?

00:40:06.000 Because I think we need to have an equal punishment for...

00:40:08.000 I think that's fair.

00:40:08.000 And I have a son, like you, I have a son and I have a daughter.

00:40:11.000 My fears are the same.

00:40:12.000 My fears for my daughter are the same as your fears for your daughter.

00:40:15.000 My fears for my son are the same as your fears for your son.

00:40:17.000 I've had to have very frank conversations with my son about...

00:40:21.000 About false allegations, because that is a problem.

00:40:23.000 And the women that come forward and make false claims do a great disservice to real victims when they come after or come later, because women aren't believed, generally. 0.81

00:40:35.000 You know, that's tough.

00:40:36.000 And so that has to be, you have to tamp down.

00:40:39.000 Well, one second, that sounds like covert women are very much believed.

00:40:41.000 I mean, we have example after example in the Me Too era.

00:40:44.000 The problem was the proliferation of falsehood.

00:40:46.000 Democrats don't believe women. 0.99

00:40:48.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:40:49.000 That's the opposite.

00:40:50.000 That's the opposite.

00:40:50.000 Aziz Ansari had a bad date, for crying out loud.

00:40:53.000 I mean, you look at a guy like Chris Hardwick.

00:40:54.000 He's a Democrat.

00:40:55.000 I was in defending people.

00:40:56.000 I'm going, well, this is not the same as rape.

00:40:57.000 You went over to his hotel room at two in the morning. 0.99

00:41:00.000 There are plenty of sex out there.

00:41:02.000 Mattress girl, the guy at Columbia never got to graduate, go to graduation. 0.99

00:41:05.000 And it turns out she was sexually assaulting him.

00:41:07.000 So I would disagree with that premise that women are not believed.

00:41:10.000 She should be charged with a crime and should face jail time.

00:41:12.000 Women that do that should face jail time. 1.00

00:41:15.000 Yes, but the problem I have with the premise is that right now in today's society, women are often believed, and there's the court of public opinion that often takes priority over the actual courts, which is why I think you can understand, as you said, if you have a son, people being...

00:41:28.000 Skeptical here.

00:41:29.000 If this man didn't go out and disseminate it, is it possible?

00:41:32.000 Because it looked, I will tell you this, when I look at it, it looks exactly like the security camera that I have in my living room.

00:41:39.000 Is it a security camera that existed in the house that you knew was there or you both knew were there and then it stores automatically to the cloud?

00:41:48.000 Because that would be the same of every sort of ring camera, as it were.

00:41:52.000 Well, I found the brand of the camera and provided that information, the serial number and the screenshots that I showed yesterday.

00:41:59.000 I provide all that evidence over to law enforcement.

00:42:02.000 Again, these are questions that I have.

00:42:04.000 I don't know if it was on the cloud.

00:42:05.000 One would presume because a lot of them are on the cloud.

00:42:07.000 I don't know how long they save it.

00:42:09.000 Like as soon as I found out about this, you know, I reached out to the camera company to find out when it's deleted.

00:42:15.000 Does it stay on the cloud?

00:42:16.000 Because oftentimes once it's deleted, it's gone.

00:42:19.000 That was hard to hear, too.

00:42:20.000 So a lot of my questions can't be answered until I see what the investigation turns up, because I'm not an investigator.

00:42:27.000 I'm not a detective.

00:42:28.000 I'm just this person who accidentally found these files and was like, "What the hell?" And I identified some of the women. 0.90

00:42:36.000 And some of the victims I talked to clearly didn't know they were being recorded, whether they saw the camera or not.

00:42:42.000 And they were told they were not being recorded.

00:42:44.000 And then let's just say, quote, it is a security camera and was used for security.

00:42:49.000 But there were no security cameras on the outside of that property, which is odd.

00:42:52.000 You'd think if you had security cameras, you'd have cameras all over the place, inside, outside, wherever, and that wasn't the case.

00:42:58.000 And so even if it was a security camera, why would you just save the naked videos of women? 0.79

00:43:05.000 Why would you save only the naked videos of women and nothing else? 0.51

00:43:10.000 Is it only the videos of naked women of these crimes what was saved, nothing else? 0.53

00:43:14.000 That's what I saw.

00:43:15.000 I didn't see any security camera footage.

00:43:17.000 I saw footage of women who were naked. 0.99

00:43:20.000 Lots of it.

00:43:21.000 Video after video after video.

00:43:22.000 And I was able to identify several women on that camera and other cameras.

00:43:27.000 I found up to four recording, potentially four recording devices.

00:43:33.000 And this stuff that I found spanned almost a decade.

00:43:36.000 Long before I ever met my former fiancé, this was years in the making before I ever knew him.

00:43:42.000 But I was able to identify several victims, and I provided all that information, of course, to law enforcement.

00:43:46.000 What was the brand of camera?

00:43:48.000 It was an Arlo brand camera.

00:43:49.000 You can see that on the screenshot, I believe, one of the screenshots I had yesterday.

00:43:54.000 That particular device at one point had 10,633 videos on it based on the screenshot I had.

00:44:00.000 But they're not usually hidden cameras, Arlo's.

00:44:03.000 Like, it's one of the brands that they set up.

00:44:05.000 I mean, especially when I had new, when my children were very young, I had these cameras out there in case, you know, something happened.

00:44:10.000 The excuse has been, oh, it's a security camera.

00:44:13.000 Okay, well, why did you only have videos of naked women on it?

00:44:16.000 I don't know, you know, that doesn't scream security camera to me.

00:44:19.000 If there are only videos of naked women, yes, that's basically a modern-day pair of binoculars.

00:44:24.000 But if that's not the case, I mean, again, I know many people, most people here who have, some of us have Arlo's.

00:44:29.000 I was going to, you said this footage goes back 10 years?

00:44:33.000 I have footage going back, it was at the time when I found it roughly 8 years of upskirt photos of women's genital areas.

00:44:43.000 Photography, images, videos.

00:44:44.000 I saw almost a decade worth of stuff.

00:44:47.000 How did you get this, by the way, since you had this before an investigation?

00:44:50.000 How did you come upon this footage?

00:44:52.000 We went to couples counseling, and the couples counseling said, hey, you know, to rebuild trust in your relationship, you need to give her access to your phone.

00:45:00.000 So he put my thumbprint on his phone, so my biometrics were on there, and I was allowed to go on his phone at any time.

00:45:05.000 And that's when I accidentally uncovered it all.

00:45:07.000 I just wasn't expecting that.

00:45:10.000 It wasn't something I was looking for, wasn't expecting it.

00:45:12.000 It was a real shock to the system.

00:45:14.000 And when I found it, I took a couple of screenshots and I handed everything over to law enforcement.

00:45:19.000 Again, this is not my job to be investigator or detective.

00:45:22.000 It is law enforcement's job to do that.

00:45:25.000 And I hope and pray that they're doing an extensive investigation and that justice is brought for all these victims and that at the same time we reshape federal and state law to do better.

00:45:36.000 So you're going through couples therapy and he gave you the passcode or the biometric unlocking mechanism to his phone while you guys are, I assume, in somewhat dire straits and didn't delete non-consensual footage on the phone that you had access to?

00:45:53.000 He definitely was transferring footage.

00:45:55.000 And I showed a screenshot yesterday of files that were being transferred off his device.

00:46:00.000 He got a second device, I said yesterday, like I saw a second device hit our Wi-Fi like that same day.

00:46:06.000 It was the Tiramisu operating system.

00:46:08.000 A couple weeks later, he would replace his Android S22 with an Android S23.

00:46:14.000 And there's some indication of data indicating that he may have been transferring terabytes of data, terabytes and terabytes and terabytes of data, which would indicate lots and lots of photos and videos, thousands of files potentially.

00:46:28.000 Okay, wow.

00:46:29.000 Yeah, that's...

00:46:29.000 Terabytes, that's a lot, especially if you're going back eight years where it's pre-HD.

00:46:34.000 That's many, many hours.

00:46:35.000 But you did get this while you two were still in a relationship is when you found the footage.

00:46:40.000 Yeah.

00:46:40.000 I mean, I got the hell out as soon as I found out about it.

00:46:43.000 It took me about a week.

00:46:45.000 I wanted to just get all my ducks in a row.

00:46:47.000 I had children.

00:46:48.000 You know, I had a tumor that month as well, and I had to have surgery.

00:46:52.000 And so I had all these things going on and took me about, I don't know, a week to 10 days to make sure I had all my...

00:46:59.000 Things in order to be able to leave.

00:47:00.000 I fled.

00:47:02.000 Let me ask you this.

00:47:03.000 How do you balance, because you just said you had a son, and I don't know if, Gerald, you had a question that you wanted to ask, but how do you balance, like you just said, being concerned for a son and a daughter, due process, obviously post-MeToo, which was spearheaded by Democrats, where it was a witch hunt, and obviously protecting victims of actual rape and sexual abuse?

00:47:24.000 How do I balance that?

00:47:25.000 Yeah, with this legislation, how do we balance those things?

00:47:29.000 Because, you know, I disagree with the premise that women are not believed.

00:47:31.000 So, for example, that legislation that you proposed, would it still permit or would it allow, I should say, victims of false accusations of rape to sue their accuser or have equal criminal penalties?

00:47:45.000 Like, how do we balance this out?

00:47:46.000 It doesn't have to do with false allegations.

00:47:47.000 It has to do with real crimes and convictions.

00:47:51.000 It doesn't have to do with false allegations, number one.

00:47:53.000 Number two, when I talk about my Sue Warriors Act, that is creating a civil tort at the federal level.

00:48:00.000 When Democrats did the Violence Against Women Act, there was no civil right of action.

00:48:05.000 Women couldn't sue federally. 1.00

00:48:10.000 They will be able to do that with the Sioux Voyeurs Act. 0.50

00:48:13.000 With the Stop Voyeurs Act, we expand the federal prohibition against voyeurism.

00:48:18.000 So it's only illegal federally to film women in this manner in certain maritime jurisdictions or tribal lands. 0.66

00:48:25.000 And so this would expand that very narrow definition to make it a crime under Title 18 of the federal U.S. Code of Laws for voyeurism.

00:48:32.000 And so those two specific things are...

00:48:35.000 Or what I've done federally.

00:48:36.000 I've also worked with state lawmakers to draft a bill to strengthen South Carolina state law because it's a misdemeanor and a $500 fine on first offense.

00:48:44.000 That particular bill would make it a felony and make the financial penalties significantly higher because we want to deter these people as much as we can on the very first offense and then it gets worse from there.

00:48:56.000 And so I've been working with state lawmakers and then of course I have my own legislation at the federal level based on the experiences I uncovered with all of these women.

00:49:04.000 Sure.

00:49:05.000 And I appreciate you giving us your time.

00:49:07.000 Gerald, I know you have a question.

00:49:08.000 And by the way, everyone out there, you can follow her and send her your questions at repnancymace on X. Yes, Gerald.

00:49:15.000 Yeah, so again, thanks.

00:49:16.000 And we're on the same page here. 0.97

00:49:17.000 Like, bury the pedophiles under the jail.

00:49:19.000 You know, like, these guys should be getting long prison sentences if what we're claiming is true.

00:49:23.000 I think the question that I had for you is I've had a theory about this that I'm really worried about.

00:49:29.000 We've seen people tried in the media before.

00:49:31.000 I'm not saying that's what you're doing, by the way.

00:49:32.000 I just want to set this up because you're somebody who's experiencing this.

00:49:35.000 And I think your opinion would be very valid.

00:49:36.000 I am of the mindset that to balance this out and make sure that justice is served and people aren't taken like Brett Kavanaugh, taken through the media, basically just to smear his name.

00:49:47.000 We shouldn't be making names public and accusations this.

00:49:52.000 This dire, I mean, these are very serious accusations that somebody has been raped and some people's privacy has been violated at the very least.

00:49:59.000 There's a lot of very serious allegations here until a legal process has gone through.

00:50:06.000 And I wonder what your opinion is on that because I understand that there are problems potentially with that because we want to hold people accountable.

00:50:11.000 Sometimes the justice system doesn't do us justice, essentially, or takes so long to do justice that justice is really delayed and that's kind of denied.

00:50:19.000 But at the same time, haven't we seen so many people's lives ruined?

00:50:23.000 You cannot unring the bell.

00:50:24.000 It doesn't matter how many times you go out and tell people that Johnny Depp didn't do what Amber Heard said.

00:50:28.000 He's still not working.

00:50:28.000 He's still not getting that time back.

00:50:30.000 He's still not getting the contracts back for Trevor Bauer.

00:50:32.000 You're still not having Brett Kavanaugh's kids not think that, hey, did something happen with my dad where he was drunk and raped somebody?

00:50:38.000 So shouldn't there be some more protections here to make sure that everybody is protected in the system and it doesn't swing one way or the other with allegations being made in public that are very specific when cases haven't been tried yet?

00:50:50.000 Well, I think that in this particular instance, I am exposing what is completely shattered and broken and corrupt in South Carolina's court system and justice system.

00:51:01.000 If I had not spoken up...

00:51:04.000 There would be no investigation.

00:51:06.000 And in fact, one of the rape victims didn't get her victim's rights advocate until the day of my speech on February 10th, six months later, after she came forward.

00:51:18.000 And that's appalling, and I agree.

00:51:20.000 And pardon me for interrupting, but could that also have been done without saying names, is my question.

00:51:25.000 And it's a genuine question.

00:51:26.000 I just want to clarify.

00:51:27.000 Hasn't there been an ongoing, you just said, police investigation since 2023?

00:51:31.000 So that would be before your statements, right?

00:51:33.000 But she didn't get the advocate until six months.

00:51:35.000 This other person, but I mean for yourself.

00:51:37.000 Different victims have come forward at different times of the investigation.

00:51:41.000 Now, remember, I didn't know who all the women were right at prime. 1.00

00:51:46.000 I had to go find some of them and identify them.

00:51:49.000 I did that because our law enforcement, state law enforcement, wasn't doing that.

00:51:54.000 Six months into the quote investigation, to my knowledge, they hadn't contacted any victims.

00:51:59.000 That was a real problem for me.

00:52:01.000 Yeah, I mean, so...

00:52:02.000 But what about your, but for you, why do you, because you made your claims, right?

00:52:07.000 You can't, some victims may not, like you said, want to come forward, but yours, that's been open since 2023, before you came out and stated his name publicly.

00:52:14.000 Like, let's say, because this is the question people have, and I know that, and I appreciate you allowing us to be fair.

00:52:19.000 There could be a universe in which Nancy Mace and this Mr. Bryant had a very ugly falling out.

00:52:25.000 You got these while you were together and then used it against him, and the investigation reveals that there is actually no crime.

00:52:31.000 Like, if that happens, should he be able to sue you?

00:52:35.000 Well, hey, it doesn't really matter.

00:52:38.000 Let's just say there was a very nasty breakup.

00:52:41.000 Let's just say it was the worst in the world.

00:52:43.000 That doesn't negate that I was filmed without my knowledge, without my permission, without my consent, and those videos were saved for years.

00:52:53.000 And that is not okay.

00:52:56.000 Not by any standard.

00:52:59.000 It didn't really matter, you know, that part of it.

00:53:02.000 But on top of that, I find all these other potential victims and all this potential other wrongdoing and to see really nothing happening.

00:53:11.000 And only because of the public attention is the investigation moving forward.

00:53:16.000 I don't expect, honestly, I expect very little out of this because that is very typical of South Carolina.

00:53:24.000 And the justice system.

00:53:26.000 I mean, there's a case in Myrtle Beach where the guy was chased nine miles down the road, shot 15 times in the back, no charges.

00:53:33.000 And when, you know, now the feds are stepping in.

00:53:35.000 I am going to ask the feds to step in on this and provide some oversight because there's been, I believe, obstruction of justice by the solicitor and other issues that underscore the political bias and the unfair way that Some of the victims have been treated.

00:53:53.000 Some of us feel like we've been treated like criminals, and the criminals treated like victims.

00:53:57.000 And that's not the way the system is supposed to work.

00:53:59.000 Victims have rights.

00:54:00.000 They're supposed to be protected.

00:54:01.000 Their identity is supposed to be protected.

00:54:04.000 Witness intimidation is not supposed to be allowed by law, and the solicitor will not prosecute for witness intimidation.

00:54:11.000 And there have been numerous examples of it over the last couple of months.

00:54:14.000 And so when you see the system break down in the way that it has, this is the only recourse we have.

00:54:19.000 You're right.

00:54:20.000 That is unconscionable that that stuff is still out there.

00:54:23.000 And I 100% agree, but I want to laser in on the point.

00:54:26.000 I agree with you.

00:54:27.000 More attention has to be brought to this.

00:54:28.000 That's that public pressure.

00:54:29.000 Good.

00:54:30.000 Make sure this stuff gets changed.

00:54:32.000 Did his name have to be used to accomplish that?

00:54:35.000 Because it's a bell that cannot be unrung.

00:54:37.000 You may be 100% right in this case, but what about some of the other cases we've seen in the past and yet future where maybe a name gets dropped in public and people drag them through?

00:54:48.000 The social media hellscape that happens after that and the media hellscape?

00:54:52.000 You can't unring that bell.

00:54:53.000 Did his name have to be used for you to be able to make this point?

00:54:56.000 A hundred percent.

00:54:57.000 The hellscape that these women... 1.00

00:54:59.000 I agree.

00:55:00.000 I agree with the women. 1.00

00:55:01.000 But we're all on that same page.

00:55:03.000 I'm trying to be very fair.

00:55:04.000 I'm a hundred percent... 0.88

00:55:05.000 Bury these guys under the jails. 1.00

00:55:07.000 Well, the guys who actually commit rape. 0.99

00:55:09.000 Yes, the guy who's committing rape and disseminating these pictures are the worst of the worst. 1.00

00:55:12.000 We would kick their ass if they were in front of us. 1.00

00:55:14.000 All of us agree on that. 1.00

00:55:16.000 But...

00:55:16.000 You do understand the jeopardy we have where people's lives are being ruined by this.

00:55:21.000 How do we balance that when public accusations include people's names while an investigation is going on?

00:55:28.000 Is there a better way for us to accomplish all of it, to keep women safe, but also to make sure that men are not just going to, with no recourse.

00:55:36.000 Like, I sue the lady who accused Trevor Bauer, but you're not going to get any money from her.

00:55:40.000 She's just going to declare bankruptcy. 1.00

00:55:41.000 You lost a $100 million contract.

00:55:44.000 That happens a lot, and I want to make sure that neither one of these things happen.

00:55:48.000 That the rape doesn't happen, that the voyeurism doesn't happen, and that the men's names, if they don't have to be used, and I don't see a reason why they do yet, maybe there is one.

00:55:56.000 Well, let's, Representative, why did the name specifically, because you said they revealed your identity, and again, I didn't know about this until you started speaking about it, so if they did that, that's horrible, and that would be the answer, but why did the name have to be used?

00:56:07.000 I believe that there is a present danger, particularly at some of the locations I mentioned in my speech where underage children are.

00:56:16.000 I wanted to be sure that families and parents, that I don't know that the general public knew that there are certain locations that I would not advise your child to go to because of some of what was being filmed or allegedly or being done at those locations with cameras.

00:56:31.000 To me as a mom, I didn't have a choice.

00:56:35.000 And as I went through the process of the last year and a half, and I learned about all these other allegations and potential wrongdoing from parents who were aware of things being filmed about with underage children, potentially, you know, all of that.

00:56:47.000 To me, this is a clear and present danger.

00:56:49.000 At one of the properties I mentioned in the speech.

00:56:52.000 And so, for me, this was like an immediate clear and present danger to my constituents, not only just to women, potentially underage girls as well.

00:57:02.000 And, like, you know...

00:57:04.000 I felt like I was doing my civic duty to protect my constituents.

00:57:08.000 And then on top of that, I'm obviously doing the legislation, working with state lawmakers.

00:57:11.000 I've got dozens of federal bills, too. 0.98

00:57:14.000 But, like, this was an immediate, holy shit, oh my god, there are kids over at this property. 0.92

00:57:20.000 Things are being allegedly filmed at this property, including potentially really bad things. 0.97

00:57:26.000 That, to me, was like, we don't have time to waste here.

00:57:28.000 What really bad things, though?

00:57:29.000 Because I would imagine if children are any property right near theirs, you'd have security camera footage to make sure that everything is kosher. 0.56

00:57:36.000 Is this what we're talking about?

00:57:37.000 Child rape at these properties with this Mr. Bryant? 0.68

00:57:40.000 I'm not saying child rape.

00:57:40.000 I haven't said that.

00:57:41.000 I have not said that.

00:57:42.000 Sexual abuse.

00:57:43.000 I would say that things I would qualify as CSAM.

00:57:50.000 Yeah.

00:57:50.000 Potentially.

00:57:51.000 And that...

00:57:53.000 Again, these guys deserve every single ounce of punishment that we can get.

00:57:58.000 But that moment was in 2023 when you found that information, right? 0.99

00:58:02.000 That is the holy shit moment. 0.94

00:58:05.000 Well, yeah, but over the course of the last year and a half talking to potential victims, I've learned so much more and I'm informed by other potential wrongdoing and crimes. 0.98

00:58:13.000 But then even since my February speech, I've had parents come forward with some claims and they're really damning.

00:58:20.000 And kids are at risk.

00:58:23.000 As long as these certain individuals, at least one individual that I spoke about in my speech, if he's still free, kids are in danger, and they should not be at that location.

00:58:33.000 And so just, you know, for me, it was like, I didn't have a choice.

00:58:37.000 This is clear and present danger.

00:58:39.000 I want to protect kids.

00:58:40.000 I want to protect women.

00:58:42.000 This is what I have to do.

00:58:43.000 And I stand by every word I said in my floor speech.

00:58:45.000 I stand by every word I said in my hearing yesterday.

00:58:51.000 This can't go on and I'll run through a brick wall if I have to to protect my constituents and to protect kids and protect women across South Carolina and all across the country, really.

00:59:02.000 I stand by everything.

00:59:03.000 Well, I hope that, and thank you for clearing some of that up, I hope that justice is served.

00:59:07.000 It looks like it's going to go through this process.

00:59:09.000 With that amount of evidence, it would seem like there will be some people put in prison for life.

00:59:15.000 Representative Nancy Mace, we appreciate you taking the time.

00:59:17.000 I know it must be very difficult, and thank you for giving the floor to people who are giving you some tough questions.

00:59:23.000 I appreciate it.

00:59:24.000 I appreciate the tough questions.

00:59:25.000 I like the calliloquy, so thank you.

00:59:28.000 Thank you very much.

00:59:29.000 Representative Nancy Mace, everybody.

00:59:30.000 All right.

00:59:35.000 And, uh, yeah.

00:59:39.000 Yeah.

00:59:39.000 By the way, this is the first time I've ever...

00:59:41.000 It's way more complicated.

00:59:41.000 I have this light, but we don't really have to get the brakes.

00:59:44.000 Yeah, sorry.

00:59:44.000 I was like, let her answer.

00:59:46.000 No, no, no, that was my fault.

00:59:47.000 I just wanted to get that point of using names.

00:59:50.000 None of it seemed like it really answered the question, except for the case she was trying to make was, well, there's a clear and present danger with children.

00:59:58.000 And I'm like, well, that was in 2023, that there was a clear and present danger when you found that out. 0.97

01:00:02.000 So if it was a holy shit moment, I have to do this right now to make sure these kids are safe. 0.96

01:00:06.000 That would have been in 2023. 0.98

01:00:07.000 And I'm not making an accusation.

01:00:08.000 What I'm saying is, that does not seem like the defense that I would say, oh, that makes sense.

01:00:14.000 She said the investigation wouldn't start.

01:00:15.000 It started in 2023.

01:00:16.000 There was just no, there was just nothing coming of it, which, considering the evidence that we've been told exists, is odd.

01:00:23.000 Yeah, they need to look into that.

01:00:24.000 And look, she answered some of the hard questions, but I really do think, like, you've got to balance these things out.

01:00:29.000 You can't run guys' names through the mud and just...

01:00:31.000 Run away when something doesn't come to fruition.

01:00:34.000 There's no conviction or even facts come out that contradict your story.

01:00:37.000 Not in her case, but in these other cases.

01:00:39.000 So it's like, listen, I disagree with naming this person.

01:00:42.000 This person could be the worst person on the planet. 1.00

01:00:44.000 Could have child porn. 1.00

01:00:45.000 Could have raped children. 1.00

01:00:46.000 And I want this person to literally be buried under the jail, whether alive or dead, doesn't matter to me, if they did it. 1.00

01:00:51.000 If they did it.

01:00:52.000 If they did it.

01:00:53.000 No, 100%.

01:00:53.000 But if it's something where they were going through couples counseling and she had a thumbprint, she accessed readily available footage that wasn't deleted, that was security camera footage in a house where both of them were naked, and this is part of a rough breakup.

01:01:04.000 Look, the criticisms are legitimate because a lot of guys, you know, a lot more people who've gone through something like that than people who've been raped or have been subject to a roving rape group, which...

01:01:15.000 If it's true, awful.

01:01:17.000 Seems to defy some of the logic when you look at the timeline.

01:01:22.000 And I see why people are being critical.

01:01:25.000 I don't like the idea that women aren't believed.

01:01:27.000 That was a pushback.

01:01:28.000 That's just not true.

01:01:29.000 The exact opposite is the truth.

01:01:30.000 And I think that's a big reason that she came forward, because women are believed. 1.00

01:01:34.000 And this guy would have to be an idiot. 1.00

01:01:35.000 I'm sorry, you'd have to be an idiot if you're like, oh yeah, we're already going to couple therapy because things are rough? 1.00

01:01:41.000 Here's my phone with crotch shots. 1.00

01:01:44.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:01:45.000 That's bad.

01:01:46.000 I mean, listen, I'm not defending in any way the actions if they turn out to be 100% what she said.

01:01:51.000 Not at all.

01:01:52.000 In fact, the very opposite.

01:01:54.000 I'm questioning the methods.

01:01:56.000 Because the methods matter in this case.

01:01:58.000 It matters for all of us.

01:01:59.000 It matters for my three sons that I have going forward.

01:02:02.000 It matters how we handle this stuff as a society to make sure that women are protected, but also to make sure that men who have no recourse in these situations...

01:02:11.000 Don't lose everything over an allegation that is not true.

01:02:14.000 Do you think you'll ever have a sperm and egg that turns into a lady? 1.00

01:02:18.000 It's just men for you. 0.96

01:02:20.000 I do what I can, and apparently what I can is blonde-haired, blue-eyed, super tall.

01:02:25.000 Boy.

01:02:26.000 One of whom is a serial killer, without a doubt.

01:02:28.000 Not yet. 0.99

01:02:28.000 Yeah, well, every time I see him, he tries to kill me. 0.99

01:02:30.000 It's a rock. 0.71

01:02:31.000 It's a frying pan.

01:02:32.000 He has instincts.

01:02:33.000 I can't turn that off.

01:02:34.000 Jerry will be talking about, yeah, hold on, what?

01:02:35.000 He had a rock.

01:02:36.000 He was going to hit you over the head with it.

01:02:37.000 What?

01:02:37.000 What is he doing?

01:02:39.000 You guys comment.

01:02:40.000 Hey, let us know your thoughts here.

01:02:42.000 We want to be as balanced as possible.

01:02:45.000 Call balls and strikes.

01:02:47.000 Yeah, hey, if this is the case, awful.

01:02:50.000 If it's not the case...

01:02:52.000 And what the hell's going on in South Carolina that they're not getting to the bottom of this stuff that she's talking about?

01:02:56.000 Get it done.

01:02:57.000 Get it done.

01:02:57.000 Find out what the facts are and either dismiss it or go.

01:03:00.000 By the way, I also have a problem with the idea that you can simply make it on a federal level if there's no crime.

01:03:06.000 It's like, yeah, yeah, so it could turn out that there was no crime, but I can still sue you civilly.

01:03:11.000 And that can be a problem.

01:03:13.000 I mean, for example, OJ...

01:03:14.000 It's difficult.

01:03:15.000 OJ was not guilty.

01:03:17.000 And then he was guilty.

01:03:19.000 Love don't fit, you must acquit.

01:03:21.000 The two don't necessarily parallel.

01:03:22.000 And also, I do know that later, I do know that if you are not right now, download the Rumble app.

01:03:27.000 Whatever.

01:03:29.000 Click the Rumble.

01:03:30.000 What do you mean, whatever?

01:03:31.000 I was saying, well, because I realize we've gone late.

01:03:32.000 Yeah, we did.

01:03:33.000 Rumble Premium, you can click, you can join right there and continue.

01:03:37.000 We're going to go for another hour here on the show.

01:03:42.000 Hey, I think...

01:03:44.000 I keep getting this call.

01:03:45.000 I've been dismissing it.

01:03:46.000 Do you want to accept this call?

01:03:47.000 Really?

01:03:48.000 From who?

01:03:49.000 You know what?

01:03:50.000 Let me put it on.

01:03:51.000 Sorry.

01:03:53.000 Okay, that's weird.

01:03:56.000 Who's that?

01:03:57.000 Who's on?

01:03:57.000 Hello, Steven.

01:03:59.000 Oh, no.

01:04:00.000 Why?

01:04:01.000 Steven, as a guest on this show, it is my responsibility to ask you the following question.

01:04:07.000 Have you ever attempted to have sexual relations with a woman with or without consent?

01:04:12.000 We've gone over this, Representative Hirono.

01:04:14.000 No.

01:04:14.000 No better time than the present.

01:04:17.000 What?

01:04:19.000 Check your phone, Steven.

01:04:21.000 What?

01:04:23.000 Check your phone.

01:04:25.000 What even is that?

01:04:27.000 Turn it sideways.

01:04:30.000 Oh, God, no.

01:04:31.000 Come on, that's just...

01:04:32.000 Now you will never have that on me.

01:04:35.000 What are you talking...

01:04:36.000 I never had anything on you, Hirono.

01:04:38.000 I didn't even have these pictures ever until just now.

01:04:40.000 You're welcome.

01:04:43.000 Answer to FaceTime, Stephen.

01:04:45.000 No.

01:04:45.000 No, I'm not doing it, Senator.

01:04:47.000 I'm not hearing an answer to my FaceTime.

01:04:50.000 Tim, please cut it.

01:04:51.000 Please cut it right now.

01:04:51.000 Stephen, I'm holding...

01:04:54.000 No.

01:04:54.000 No!

01:04:59.000 We're going to talk about James Comey on Stephen Colbert.

01:05:01.000 I need to go take a shower.

01:05:02.000 Let's hit it.

01:06:56.000 It's a weird show when you have a big old black wiener on Piers Morgan's face and then Nick Corona shows up and Nancy Mays. 1.00

01:07:05.000 There's a theme.

01:07:07.000 Good show.

01:07:09.000 Let's make one more statement.

01:07:11.000 Real quick.

01:07:12.000 Sure.

01:07:12.000 And then we'll go to James Comey.

01:07:13.000 I know you want to get to James Comey.

01:07:16.000 James Comey, homie. 0.98

01:07:19.000 Hey, it's my homie, Comey. 0.99

01:07:21.000 What's up, fool? 0.99

01:07:23.000 Can I still be an informant? 1.00

01:07:25.000 86 that bro, come on.

01:07:27.000 Your governor needs kidnapping, bro.

01:07:30.000 8647 was my gang title.

01:07:32.000 That was my inmate number.

01:07:34.000 No, it's the last four of my social bro.

01:07:36.000 I had a tattoo on my neck like Dark Angel.

01:07:39.000 8,647 was the number of people I killed. 0.62

01:07:42.000 Oh, wow.

01:07:43.000 Man, that's a lot.

01:07:44.000 That's a high body count.

01:07:44.000 That's impressive.

01:07:46.000 What's your statement?

01:07:48.000 A lot of us had this thought yesterday when she put that out, Nancy Mace, where she basically said, like, hey, I'm going to show my naked body.

01:07:56.000 We have better footage of Bigfoot than what we saw yesterday in the hearing.

01:08:00.000 I'm not saying that that wasn't her, necessarily.

01:08:02.000 It was just, I think there was a lot made of this, and a lot of attention was grabbed by this.

01:08:08.000 A lot of times we talk about, especially with Dan Pongino and those guys, we've talked about stuff where it's like, listen, you've got to make sure you nail these wins.

01:08:14.000 When you go out and do stuff like that, when you say you're going to release the Epstein files, you've got to do that.

01:08:17.000 When you say you're going to turn the FBI into a museum on day one, you've got to do that.

01:08:21.000 Or don't say it, and then you're fine.

01:08:23.000 It's somewhat of a better proposition.

01:08:25.000 In this case, it was like, a lot was made of this, and then there's a lot of questions.

01:08:30.000 There's a lot of questions.

Louder with Crowder - May 21, 2025

🔴 The "N-Word" Fallout: Why Piers Morgan Censored My Interview - GUEST: Nancy Mace

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